Ron Paul’s Absurd ‘Golden Rule’

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Sayyid Qutb, an Egyptian author, educator, and the leading Islamic scholar who was a member of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood in the 1950s and ’60s, wrote:

It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take any action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries to continue the lordship of some men over others and does not extend its message and its declaration of universal freedom within their domain. But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by paying Jizyah, which will be guarantee that they have opened their doors for the preaching of Islam

Islam has the right to take the initiative…this is God’s religion and it is for the whole world. It has the right to destroy all obstacles in the form of institutions and traditions … it attacks institutions and traditions to release human beings from their poisonous influences, which distort human nature and curtail human freedom.

Those who say that Islamic Jihaad was merely for the defense of the “homeland of Islam” diminish the greatness of the Islamic way of life.

This is the ideology that inspired Osama bin Laden and his replacement as the current leader of al Qaeda, Ayman Zawahiri. A “die or submit” ideology is the antithesis of the Golden Rule that is so central to Judeo-Christian beliefs. If Iran, al Qaeda or other jihadists were ever armed with nuclear bombs, we would face an existential threat. Yet Ron Paul believes that the solution is to simply pretend the threat only exists because of our own foreign policy.

In my previous article on Ron Paul’s dangerous foreign policy views, I discussed Paul’s perverted moral equivalency version of the Golden Rule in dealing with the Iranian theocracy. Referring to the U.S.-Iranian conflict and justifying Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons (which he simultaneously denies is happening), Paul said during the August 11, 2011 GOP presidential debate in Iowa:

It’s been going on and on because we just plain don’t mind our own business. That’s our problem…Why wouldn’t it be natural that they might want a weapon? Internationally, they’d be given more respect.

Again, to be charitable, Paul is way out in left field. The fanatics ruling Iran today do not believe in the Golden Rule as we understand it in the West. They believe instead in a “golden age” when the big Satan (the United States) and the little Satan (Israel) will be destroyed. This will hasten the arrival of the 12th Imam, otherwise known as the Mahdi, whom Iran’s rulers look to as Islam’s messianic savior.

For example, Ayatollah Khamenei linked Israel and the United States together as the mortal enemies of the 12th Imam and declared through a spokesman in August 2009:

We have to train honest forces that can stop the obstacles that may hinder the coming of the Mahdi like the United States and Israel.

The spokesman described Ayatollah Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, as “a direct representative” of the Mahdi and said following his orders is like “obeying the guided one.

Ron Paul is on a fool’s gold mission in believing that applying the Golden Rule in dealing with our Islamist enemies will lead to any result other than the killing of many more innocent Americans.

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  • UCSPanther

    I don't think Paul will ever get into the oval office, but if he does, he will be in for a very rude awakening…

    Heads up: The Ron Paul cultists will swarm this board like they always do…

    • Jon

      You do realize he has been in congress for like 30 years right? Pretty sure he is familiar with the oval office lol

      • Rifleman

        Obviously he's not familiar with the oval office, lol.

      • MAD JEWESS

        Right, 30 years; CAREER POLITICIAN

    • Kim

      Seriously, enough with the Ron Paul cultist crap. It is annoying and ridiculous. If more Americans were as passionate as Ron Paul supporters are, this country would be in a very different place rather than it's current police state where the government grows bigger by the day. With that being said, this article is even more ridiculous. If the author's argument is true, why is it just recently we have been attacked here on our soil by terrorists? Let's see, we put a pro-US dictator into power in Iran in the 50's because Iran wanted what back what rightfully theirs–oil that Britain took profit from which is now known as British Petroleum (BP)–and thus we experienced blowback by that in the 70's when Iranian college students held Americans hostage. We put Saddam Hussein into power, only to have thousands of our troops killed to remove him from power, we formed the CIA and trained Bin Laden to overthrow the Soviets, and he used the same means we provided to him to kill us. Why? Because we're involved in too many damn countries. That's why our founders warned us to stay out of other countries affairs. Why is it that Canada isn't attacked by terrorists? They promote in essence the same idea of liberty that the US does. Conservatives want to proclaim that we're a Christian nation that needs to go back to its Christian roots, just not with the government. Finally a man who understands what Christianity is all about speaks up, and you nutjobs label him as crazy. Seriously?! Do you all really want another war?? Iraq was proven to be an enormous failure. Newt does nothing but talk the talk–he's an outstanding debator and historian, but that's IT! His plans to help this country are horrific because he has none. The reality is we're bankrupt as a nation, and we are becoming slaves to debt, which means we are becoming slaves to the government. We can't afford any more illegal wars. They hate us because we police the world, and bomb countries we shouldn't even be in. The day Clinton was being tried for his impeachment, the United States launched a massive bombing in Sudan. THAT is why they hate us, and THAT is why they want to kill us.

      • Alexander Gofen

        You are only correct in that American military actions so far were hectic and even unnecessary indeed. Islam is at war with us (and the rest of the world), but in order to defeat islam, we ought to send not one American soldier anywhere. We ought to nuke mecca and medina already 9/12/2001 (if not in 1993).

        • davarino

          Right on, do it now, or do it later, its gonna happen. It has to happen

          • Chris

            You guys are idiots. Nuking someone does not "have to happen."

            Killing millions of people is a trait inherent to religions in general, not just Islam. Go look at the numbers of people killed by Christians throughout history. Its over 100 million. Of course people killed by Islamists is over 200 million, so what, are we gonna have a pissing match about which is worse? 100 million plus vs. 200 million which is better.

            Or we could bring in total deaths cased by religious people throughout history vs deaths caused by disease, or natural disasters, or other non natural causes. The numbers are astronomical.

            I submit that neither Islam nor Christianity is better. Religion is the problem, not the type of religion.

          • Libertyman

            Like the Secular Religonists that have murdered over 200 million in the last half of the 20th century?

          • Libertyman

            Chris, Your numbers are very suspect.

            Judiaism and Christianity deaths throughout it's long history doesn't add up to what Islam has done in the last 50 years. And all three dont even come to a percentage of what Secular Relgionists have done in the last 50 years.

            When you see what Mao, Hitler and Stalin alone the numbers approach over 180 million.

            Then we add other Secular Religionists like the envirowacko movement, you add over 150 million just in deaths by Malaria in Africa because of new age science religion who couldn't prove what they said about DDT in the Lab and made a soviet style social campaign to ban it.

            Today 1.7 Billion Christians are being persecuted, mostly by your secular religionists, then Islam, then Hinduism.

      • WildJew

        You wrote: "If the author's argument is true, why is it just recently we have been attacked here on our soil by terrorists?"

        Many of the points you make about ill-conceived U.S. policy have validity. I voted for George W. Bush in 2000 but broke with him soon after the 9/11 attacks when I saw the direction he was heading with Israel and Islam, of which he told many untruths. You bring up Reagan arming the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan, another valid point and the alleged CIA meddling in Iran's politics in the early nineteen fifties – though there has been some dispute as to the effectiveness of this alleged meddling.

        That having been said, to address your question, you might consider that at a certain point, the Christian world so out-stripped an expansionist Islam in terms of technology – remember Islam conquered a significant portion of Asia, North Africa, up to Spain and the Balkans, over to India, Iran, Afghanistan and China. Thus violent, expansionist jihad mandated by Islam's prophet was not only unfeasible but counterproductive; that is, until the advent of the industrial age, the automobile and the thirst for oil. That Canada, unlike the United States, is not a world empire may partially explain why there hasn't been the kind of domestic terrorism America has experienced. But consider too, Islam (the "stealth jihad") is making great strides in Canada and in Europe. In many of these countries there is not the push back to increasing strident demands by Muslims for accommodation to shariah law.

        • Libertyman

          The Canadians have unfortunately helped the the Islamist Fascists which also have not been a target as we are in the US. Point and counterpoint, there oil industry helped the Sudanese muslims commit genocide of 2.5 to 3 million Christians and falsely state it was a civil war; where the American Oil Companies decided against it for profit.

          Although they would argue that with some validty that they are also victims of Islamic Terrorism. But you are right that they are not as big as targets.

      • Jake

        You are so right.

      • Chris Nichols

        They hate us because we aren't muslim, it is just that simple. There has been plenty of evidence presented here, quoting the words of OBL himself saying that we need to submit to the will of Islam. That is why we are bombing them. We didn't just throw darts at a map and say that is who we are going to bomb next. That bombing by Clinton was done to prevent Serbians from killing Bosnian Muslims. We gave the mujaheddin stinger missiles to help repel the Soviet invasion, the didn't have a problem with America intervening in their affairs then did they? They repaid us by murdering 3000 U.S. citizens. And nobody has killed more Muslims in the last 40 years than Saddam Hussein. He started two wars against two of neighboring countries, one being Iran, who you Paulnuts seem to be so enamored with lately, and freed another Muslim country from invasion in Kuwait. We launched those attack from bases in Saudi Arabia with the permission of their government. The same government that kicked OBL out of his own country. So don't give me this past grievances nonsense. I thought us leaving was going to solve everything. Tell me genius, why was there a bomb blast in Iraq just a few weeks ago, after we left? Why was Al Queda in Iraq doing the same thing when we were there. Because those people voted for a government that was in conflict with Sharia, their stated goal. I don't know how you Paulbots get things to backwards, do you get a chip planted in your brain that scrambles all incoming signals.

        • Jimmy447

          You are weetaadid. OBL said that it was out policy, our bases in Saudi Arabia. The head of the CIA team tracked to get OBL confirmed this and is a Ron Paul supporter. You know the CIA trained OBL to fight the Russians, don't you?. Ron Paul policy toward Israel also matches their own Prime Minister's policy – Benjamin Netanyahu, who said that Israel should be sovereign and free from American interference. His own words. Yet you neocon foxnews heads just want to kill kill kill… this country is in the dumps with endless wars because of you and your ilk. Step aside, PLEASE.

          • Ennis

            "You know the CIA trained OBL to fight the Russians, don't you?"

            NO THEY DIDN'T, Christ almighty how many other times do I have to hammer this S##t in?

            the CIA trained absolutely NO-ONE in Afghanistan or neighboring Pakistan. Nor did they fund them(not directly anyway). The entire CIA effort in Afghanistan was more logistical than operational.

            What the CIA did was buy weapons, ammunition, and supplies, in vast quantities. The Pakistani intelligence agency, the ISI, distributed the weapons and supplies once the Americans delivered them. This was a fundamental rule of Pakistani policy according to Brigadier Mohammed Yousaf, who ran the ISI operation in Afghanistan between 1983 and 1989: No American was to come into contact with the mujahedeen.

            What training was provided by none other than Pakistan. This sort of thing wasn't anything new to them. They had been supporting terrorism, mainly in the Kashmir region of India, since the 1970’s. The Pakistani’s directed the bulk of American-financed support to the Afghan groups that were the most extremist, the most Islamist, the most violent. These groups were reported by the Pakistani’s to also be the most effective, although those claims are questionable. The group, which received the highest percentage of aid, as well as the most support from Arab sources, was the Hizb party, which was headed by a Muslim fanatic named Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who was a Pakistani agent from long before the jihad began.
            There were more moderate Afghan commanders available, but they were not trusted so much by Pakistan, and therefore weren’t seen as reliable by the Americans. The biggest mistake the U.S. probably made in the Afghan operation was in not taking greater account of who the Pakistani’s were paying with American tax dollars. However, the ISI was seen as being more familiar with the situation “on the ground” and was allowed to run the show. If the CIA had taken a stronger hand in determining the allocation of support, it was likely that the ISI would have stopped funneling any support to the Afghans.


      • MAD JEWESS

        Finally a man who understands what Christianity is all about
        Ron Paul voted to REPEAL DADT.
        Tell me how that is "Christian?"
        1 Corinthians 6:9
        Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
        Leviticus 18:22
        And thou shalt not lie with mankind as one lieth with a woman: it is an abomination.

        ENOUGH of the blasphemy against Christians.
        The reason they hate us is BECAUSE of our LACK OF MORALS.
        No thanks to RON PAUL!

        • GOPr

          WRONG! By that logic, they better plot against Sweden too for their highest atheist population on earth status. The answers are out there, but you won't find them on tv, from our political leaders, nor in our churches. Freethinkers unite! Ron Paul 2012

          • Dave Thompson

            Sweden is already being invaded by muslims, who commit most of the rapes and hate crimes that happen there. All cases of rape and assault in Oslo in 2010 were committed by muslims.

      • FriendofGaryCooper

        Yes, we put the Shah of Iran in power in 1953; but the Shah has been gone since 1979–33 years ago. Is the Shah of Iran the reason Iran hates the West–America, England, Israel, et al.? Not likely. Consider this: the references this article makes to the Barbary pirates and their Jihadi ideology are exactly correct. In 1796, the US government(the admin. of George Washington) paid more than $642,000 in protection money to the Barbary states–1/7 of the entire Federal budget. Yes, this money was paid to Tripoli, Algiers, and Morocco, as ransom; to keep them from preying on US merchant ships in the Mediterranean; because we didn't have a Navy to stop them until 1801, This isn't ridiculous–its FACT. Whoever the next President is had better acknowledge this; otherwise Islam will defeat the West; and Ron Paul and his RIDICULOUS supporters will be living under the tyranny of Sharia; which I guarantee you don't want.

    • Alexander Gofen

      Ron Paul cultists are here indeed. So I pose an issue for all of them.

      OK, Paulbots: You are all hard core Americans, and you care neither about Israel nor about "brown people" i.e. moslems OVER THERE.

      Or rather you do care about moslems over there because you are so sympathetic to their grievances. Fine.

      But how about moslems already OVER HERE and coming?! And coming in huge numbers because your dear leader Ron Dhimmy Paul sees no problems in coming more moslems. Ron Dhimmy Paul is sure that America is "such a secular nation", you know, that it is OK for America to become islamic nation. Why not? After all the 1st Amendment (in the opinion of the great constitutionalist Paul) envisaged just that: islamic America. There are over billions those nice moslems in the world. Will it not be so great if they peacefully swallow America for the sake of the Golden Rule?..

      So heigh Paulbots! Are you ready to rebuilt your toilet sits away from mecca?! Else you know (allah forbid) you can inadvertently happen to do your business in a wrong direction!…

      Just for the record. I do not push any of the other "front runners": the front runners from the truth. They all stink to the high heaven. However your dear leader has a very distinctive stink of an islamic apologist and enabler.

      • Suellen

        What are you revealing here about yourself? That you pretend to know what is in the minds of those who support Ron Paul? That you are verbally abusive?That you have some great insight into what is right and wrong, good and bad? That you feel justified in verbally abusing people you do not know? That you don't care about other's rights to be themselves, think for themselves, live life as they feel and believe is correct for them? How many people do you pretend that they want to know about the qualities you have cultivated in yourself?

      • Jarid

        Hey Alexander. WWJD

        • Daniel

          It seems he MAY be approaching his foreign policy views from a misinterpretation of the book of revelations that has lead to the common but incorrect belief called "pre-Millennialism" The idea that Christ is going to come back and set up a 1000 year Kingdom in Jerusalem. So you see the need to protect Israel from the evil muslims? Which ignores the fact even from biblical scriptures that the Jews are the in the same boat as the Muslims when it comes to Christianity. They have rejected Christ, the avenue for salvation, so are not saved.

          I don't know how he views the empirical evidence that shows that it isn't core Islamic beliefs that drives radical Islam actions; instead it is governmental force that drives men to despair. The Koran considers "Christians", I'll use that term loosely, as people of the book; along with Jews. The reasons for the resentment then?… Governmental forces taking their land away and building military bases on their holy land.

          As to your question Jarid; WWJD. He wouldn't advance the cause of the spirit, i.e. Christianity, with the sword. Meaning he wouldn't allow the belief in his gospel as the motivating factor in foreign policy. He wisely pointed out to Peter that his kingdom is a spiritual kingdom NEVER a physical kingdom, and can only be advanced through the hearts of men. Not their guns.

          • Saywhaaa


            The principles espoused by Jesus in the golden rule, "blessed are the peacemakers", "turn the other cheek", ect… are not conditional statements. You do not get to decide when they do and do not apply, and anyone calling themselves a christian that thinks they do is woefully mistaken.

            If you are reading this and you think you can pick and choose when/where/who you can apply these principles to, you do not understand them at all.

            According to your own faith, you will wind up sharing a space in hell with the muslims you so despise.

          • MAD JEWESS

            Say whahhhhhhhhhhh, you are a Commie, thats all.
            Muslims have been attacking Americans for 40 years.
            Just b/c you hate those that do not respect your candidate does not give lease to aid and abet enemies.
            ISLAM is an ENEMY.
            Since you think they are this sweet religion-MOVE TO IRAN, and they TRY to come back and tell us all about it.

          • Dave Thompson

            You're wrong, the Quran consider Christians as infidels, as halal for slaughter as

            Quran, 9:29: “Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not Islam as the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”.

            Quran 9:30 The Jews say Ezra is the son of God, while the Christians say the Messiah is the son of God. Such are their assertions, by which they imitate the infidels of old. God confound them! How perverse they are!

            Muslims not only rejected Christianity, they adopted Satan's antichrist religion and have been persecuting non-muslims for 1400 years.

      • jeff

        Alex, please, open your eyes and see this world is crumbling the real problem is no God. people ignore him. Ron Paul speaks the truth! and i would tell the world hey sorry for screwing with you! unless you want an ak47! and you can go fight! i dont think you would do well! just an opinion of a paulbot!

      • John White

        Alexander, I have trouble making sense of your post. Are you afraid that muslims are going to immigrate to America and take over our country thru the democratic process? That they are going to get 2/3 of the states to approve changes to the constitution to implement sharia law? Could happen I guess. Right now they make up 0.8% of the American population. I don't really see that as a near term issue as you seem to do. And I don't see what it has to do with Ron Paul.

        • Alexander Gofen

          Your number 0.8% of moslems in America is baseless. They themselves claim near 8 millions, that makes 2.6%. Whichever it is even now – it is way too many. Moslem immigration allowed since the 1960s, was a strategic mistake. No Christian nation (and all Western nations were Christian) had ever let in moslem immigration.

          Those "fiew" that are already here push sharia law, build mosques, establish islamic lobby (CAIR is just one the most scandalous), islimizing everything – including the military – thanks to dhimmi politicians like Paul.

          It has everything to do with Ron Paul who is an islamic apologist and actually worse: he does not even acknowledge that America is exclusively Judeo-Christian nation.

          More importantly, islam is empowered with trillions of oil money and it is on the march.

    • Suellen

      From the sound of your posts, you are openly threatening the life of Dr. Paul and the life of those who support him. Is that what you mean? If threatening the lives of the Congressman and his supports is what you mean to do, then it is you who is a danger and you who may be in for a very rude awaking. Continue you jabber in this vain and see what kind of swarm you find descending on you. You see, what you are saying reveals more about yourself and your qualities, and lack there of, than anyone wants to know. What you are telling us is that you are verbally abusive and that your are pretending that you have access into the collective mind of all who support Ron Paul. You are making up all the ugly stuff you pretend you know about each individual. Sounds like you have conditioned yourself to be deeply deeply mean-spirited. Is that what you mean to reveal to us?

      • MAD JEWESS

        Get a grip, SueEllen.
        Most, no, not all–but most Paul supporters threaten the life of Christians and Jews on a DAILY basis.
        Ya all are anarchistic. Bully, totalitarian.

        I agree with Paul on ONE thing; Audit the fed. But in the last FIVE years, Paul has not introduced ONE piece of legislation TO audit the fed.

        He also voted to repeal DADT. Makes him an enabler of Communism. Period.

        Conservative people are NOT going to 'willingly' vote for this man.
        It is a question of MORALS.

        • Albert

          Check your facts bud, Paul got a partial audit of the fed.

    • Rifleman

      Yep, you nailed it, and it looks like the ronpaul cultists have already confirmed it. 116 paulbot comments by 0550, lol.

      • RealAmerican

        "Paulbots" ? I don't get why these folks use this term. If anything the true "bots" in this argument are the ones faithfully regurgitating the same old redirect of the status quo. Those supporting Ron Paul the real free thinkers here buddy.

        • Ennis

          Oh yes you people are real free thinkers aren't you? Calling people who don't support Ron Paul not to mention all your conspiracy theories.

          • Ennis

            Edit:who don't support Ron Paul brainwashed

          • John White

            Yes, that's exactly the point….I was brainwashed, too. I admit it. Ask yourself this question….Why is there so much talk about bombing Iran and none about North Korea? Answer: Large, multinational rice corporations don't have quite as large a lobby in Washington as the Anglo oil companies do. Who is really naive?

            I am red-blooded, gun-owning American but I am determined to study history and think for myself to defend our republic. The internet has certainly made it possible.

            Study the actual history of American foreign policy in the 20th century and you will not be so dismissive of Paul. Hint: focus on the covert activities of the CIA since 1943.

            Our overseas adventures are not for our safety but for corporate empire building. I say let the large oil companies pick up the bill and not the American taxpayer. Better yet, let's mind our own damn business and allow other countries to do the same. If somebody attacks us, beat the snot out of them so that can't and won't want to do it again. If the "barbary pirates" attack us, teach them a lesson. But these massive, ongoing overseas corporate adventures where there is no finish line are a joke….and the joke's on us.

        • Rifleman

          If you can't even figure out jihadis, I wouldn't expect you to "get" me, or why yall put off so many others the way you do.

          Lol, “real free thinkers?” Have you read any of your pack of fellow cultists’ posts below?

        • Stephen_Brady

          People … like me … who call Dr. Paul's followers "Paulbots" do so precisely because we ARE able to think for ourselves.

          Aren't you uncomfortable being a "follower" of someone, rather than a "supporter"? Paul isn't Christ, and his foreign policy would lead to endless wars of aggression against our allies and, eventually, against us. But you don't see this, because you are a follower, and not a free thinker.

          You might notice that I have't given you a thumbs-down. I only give thumbs-up. Look at the originator of this discussion, above, as say that you're proud to be a Paulbot …

          • Sarah

            By Herman Goering —
            "Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood­. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorsh­ip, or a parliament­, or a communist dictatorsh­ip. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

            Yes…because other countries have definitely been carrying out wars of aggression against the U.S. Go ahead and keep following the Nazi philosophy.

          • Stephen_Brady

            First, I can't tell you how offensive it is to me that you refer to me as someone who follows "Nazi philosophy". My father, and three of his brothers, fought against Germany in WWII, and my father almost died, in the Ardennes.

            Second, with decisive militatry action against Germany in the early to mid 1930's, World War II NEVER would have happened. The Holocaust NEVER would have happened. Japan NEVER would have attacked the United States without a powerful ally called Germany. And millions of people NEVER would have died in that awful conflict.

            Ron Paul, and his followers, are some of the most shortsighted people in the history of the West, and his policies, if enacted, will result in wars of aggression that will destroy further millions of people.

            Go ahead a keep following the isolationist philosophy of an angry old man. Blame yourself for what follows …

          • Sarah

            The only argument that tracks here is your offense at my insinuating you like Nazis.
            You have no idea if WWII never would have happened! That's a ridiculous statement to make. Millions of lives would have absolutely been lost if we'd attacked someone preemptively. You aren't proposing we peacefully sit down with Germany and say "Gee whiz guys, lets not" you are actively proposing that we bomb them, then claiming that millions of lives would be SAVED by us bombing millions of people.
            You then accuse Ron Paul as the one to cause wars of aggression. These were the very wars you were just proposing right? The ones you supported? So do you support Paul or don't you? And even if Ron Paul's policies started wars they wouldn't actually be wars of aggression would they, they'd be wars of defense. And then you state that these imaginary wars that haven't happened and possibly never will will destroy further millions of people. Which people?
            You can't support a war of aggression on one hand and accuse another man of causing it on the other, while simultanously making up scenarios that never occurred in human history and claiming for certain these imaginary scenarios would have saved or lost millions of lives if only we'd have agreed with you and voted for your guy.
            Not solid dude. I'll give you your upset about my Nazi comment but I can't say anything else was rational.

          • Stephen_Brady

            Ron Paul's idea of dealing with Nazi Germany would have been to sit down and "be friendly" with Hitler. Ever heard of Neville Chamberlain? That worked out well.

            I think it might have been obvious to you that I don't support Ron Paul. His foreign policy ideas are a hideous almalgamation of pacifism and isolationism. Thank God that they won't come to fruition. Weakness breeds contempt and war, and Mr. Paul would show the world the weakness of his ideology, if he ever got the chance. Obama is bad enough, but Paul is running to the Left of him …

          • John

            WW II was merely a continuation of WW I. Had we not entered WW I WW II would never have happened. BTW you failed to address the quote by Goering. It is apropos to the question at hand. It is in fact what our leaders are engaged in to promote multiple wars and paint it as necessary for our freedoms.
            You betray your ignorance of Ron Paul's foreign policy by calling it isolationist. Isolationism implies actively isolating one's society from all others by walls and high tariffs and strict control mechanisms. Ron Paul's is just the opposite, one of free flowing trade with little or no controls. This is non-interventionist and is in fact the opposite of isolationist. This is the stance of Canada and Switzerland and Iceland and many others. no one could rightly accuse them of being an isolationist.
            If we continue supporting the status quo of the false Left/Right paradigm as you would have us, WW III WILL be the result and as Einstein said, "I know not with what weapons WW III will be fought but WW IV will be fought with sticks and stones." Blame yourself for that.

          • FriendofGaryCooper

            The world today is much smaller than it was during WW2, and certainly much smaller than during WW1. While you can make a fairly strong argument that the U.S. shouldn't have gotten involved in WW1; its a very big jump from there, to say that we should,, to quote Ron Paul "Mind our own business" today. It would be extremely unrealistic to follow such a philosophy today–give up the Persian Gulf, the strait of Hormuz, the Suex Canal, etc. Strategically where would that leave the US? Where would such a policy leave our allies? Or maybe, according to Mr. Paul, we shouldn't have any allies..

          • Stephen_Brady

            In what reality do you see WWII as being caused by our involvement in WWI? That is one of the most ludicrous statements I've ever read. WWII was the direct result of an aggressive, racist, utopian ideal that could have been stopped at any time in the 1930's, had the nations of Europe decided to intervene in German affairs. The Occupation of the Rhineland, alone, would have resulted in the fall of the Nazi government, had the french had the guts to react with military force.

            The Goering quote was not reacted to because it wasn't relevant. The assumption that I'm some sort of Nazi WAS reacted to.

            The "false Left/Right" paradigm is convenient, when Leftists are making sure that the Paul campaign has enough money and coverage to continue.

          • Alexander Gofen

            Thank you Stephen!

            "Ron Paul, and his followers, are some of the most shortsighted people in the history of the West" – is very well said.

          • Stephen_Brady

            You're welcome, sir!

        • MAD JEWESS


          Because most of the time, like O-bots, ya all cant refute points we bring up, unless you run back to DAILY PAUL to get your answer.
          My question:
          IF you are a true conservative, WHY would you WILLINGLY vote for a person that voted to repeal DADT.
          Paul did.

          • John

            Why should that matter? DADT forced gays to hide their orientation or face recriminations. Repealing that is a move in favor of the respect of Liberty for ALL. Why would you willingly vote for a person who would vote NOT to repeal it?

      • saywhaaa

        lol We must be bots because we are in the majority, at least among people who use the internet. Theres no way this many people could actually believe in the message paul espouses, he doesn't even wanna bomb muslims, comon!

    • Richard McShane

      for the record. Ron Paul didn't twist the golden rule. HE RECITED IT!!!!!!!!!!

      • Dave Thompson

        Maybe the jews in the death trains should have recited the golden rule, that might have stopped the nazis from trying to wipe them out.

    • Big D

      Time to make all these foolish religions illegal… I was hoping the wars were for oil but maybe they are in the name of some imaginary god… Ugg.

      • Daniel

        Imaginary or not, anyone trying to go to war in support of Christianity is doing it in error. You can't advance the kingdom of God with the sword. Or Government in this case, which relies solely upon force.

        • MAD JEWESS

          I wont EVER willingly vote for ANY candidate that voted to repeal DADT.
          Leviticus 18:22 HOMOSEXUALITY is an ABOMINATION.

          Paul voted to repeal DADT so that 'gays' could serve OPENLY.

          Commie goal 26:
          “Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

          THAT is Ron Paul.

      • Rifleman

        Good, you can start with islam, go get 'em tiger.

    • iconoclast63

      This guy … and the author of this article … are oblivious to the point at which their argument falls completely on it's face …. if muslims are committed to waging war against "ALL" infidels, then why aren't they attacking Sweden, Peru, New Zealand, etc… Why haven't they been waging a war of terror against every non-muslim culture on earth? You can't argue that we are the most powerful country and therefore the obvious prime target … if that were the case then your ramblings about the Barbary pirates no longer holds water does it? Listen … ignore the CIA … ignore the Mossad … ignore the warnings of blowback … but consider this … if we as a culture acknowledge that we are in a war to the death with all of Islam …. what is victory? I think you should take a few steps back ..

      • MAD JEWESS

        then why aren't they attacking Sweden, Peru, New Zealand, etc…

        Muslims attack women in Sweden and RAPE them, as well as the Netherlands, Spain, Norway.
        READ THE DAMNED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • John

        Precisely! If we continue down this road at some point we will reach the inescapable conclusion that the only way to beat Islamo Fascism driven terrorism will be to kill every Islamist on the planet. That would be over ONE BILLION people! Is that what you want? Is that what will bring you Peace? If you want to go down that road you're going to have to do it without me and don't dare do it in my name either.

    • John White

      Yes, Ron Paul has a large and growing number of supporters. And we get our news and information all over the web (and books) to find out the truth about what is happening in the world instead of being Fox News / FrontPage drones. I used to be a standard, pat-answer, social conservative. Study the actual history of American foreign policy in the 20th century and you will not be so dismissive of Paul. Hint: focus on the history and covert activities of the CIA.

      The neo-con doctrine of pre-emptive war is unjust and unwise no matter how many different ways it is spun. And it's a cover for the real reasons we are fighting abroad. The war-hawks who are intent on doing the bidding of the large oil companies and building the American Empire abroad, are pulling another major propaganda campaign on the American people so that our blood will rise, our tempers will flare and so that we will open our wallets and send our young men to support their cause…..again….

      Ask yourself this question….Why is there so much talk about bombing Iran and none about North Korea? Answer: Large, multinational rice corporations don't have quite as large a lobby in Washington as the Anglo oil companies do. Who is really naive?

      I am red-blooded, gun-owning American but I am determined to study history and think for myself to defend our republic. The internet has certainly made it possible. Our overseas adventures are not for our safety but for corporate empire building. I say let the large oil companies pick up the bill and not the American taxpayer. Better yet, let's mind our own damn business and allow other countries to do the same. If somebody attacks us, beat the snot out of them so that can't and won't want to do it again. If the "barbary pirates" attack us, teach them a lesson. But these massive, ongoing overseas corporate adventures where there is no finish line are a joke….and the joke's on us.

      • MAD JEWESS

        The joke is on you.
        You support homosexuality.
        Ron Paul voted to repeal DADT so that 'gays' can serve OPENLY in the US Military.
        You are not a Conservative. Period.

        I notice the ONLY thing you Paulans bring up is war.. War…war.
        Nothing about Pauls ideas on prostitution, legalizing drugs.
        He is not MORAL, which is why, I, personally will NOT willingly vote for him.

        I agree with Paul on this: "Audit the fed", but not ONE time has he offered up legislation TO audit the fed in the last FIVE years.

        • Sarah

          You are extremely obnoxious. Also, you're extremely ignorant. Paul has never once stated that he wants to legalize drugs or prostitution. His argument is that it is not the Federal Government's place to decide what people should/could do with their lives. He argues that it should be left up to the states to decide. Also, we talk about wars because idiots like you continue to state that he's foolish for his foreign policy stance. And you have the nerve to say he's not Christian because of DADT??? Are you serious?? He just argued that if we treated others the way WE want to be treated, we wouldn't run into these terrorist attacks. Seriously, grow up and get educated. You just make yourself look stupid.

    • AEM

      This article is exactly the kind of misleading, immoral propaganda one would expect from these people. The quotes are all snippets that are taken out of context. For example, the first one he gives (Qur'an 2:191) is surrounded by two VERY relevant sentences verses.
      -"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter… But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful… If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193).
      I hope you all ignore blatant, bigoted propaganda.

      • MAD JEWESS

        hope you all ignore blatant, bigoted propaganda.

        Whahhhhhhh, dats waycis.

      • Dave Thompson

        That means convert to Islam or die…

        Very tolerant.

    • Stephen_Brady

      Panther, you are to be congratulated. When they hit you as hard as they have in this thread, you must be right!

      • Sarah

        Or they're just tired of the propaganda and lies that toolbags like you spread around so we take moral responsibility to ensure the truth is spread.

    • intrcptr2

      Holy Mackerel, Batman; 38 replies and 125 thumbs down!!!

      Yup, you called that one.
      And I haven't even read any of the replies.

      It is truly disturbing that there are so many Americans who like Ron Paul. But then Farrakhan still pays his bills too. Come to think of it, so does Obama (Its our bills he welches on).

    • Jay

      This whole argument reminds me of a George Carlson bit about how Americans can't do anything right. Can't build a decent automobile to save our A***, but when it comes to bombing countries with brown people, watch out, here we come.

      The people on this site sound like a great bunch of scholars. Keep up the good work guys, and someday you may graduate to the higher state known as "Racist Redneck" Out frigging standing!

    • Libertyman

      lol. You are right on the "swarm". It is a good day to have a negative approval number here. Be proud Mr Panther. I am sort of envious.

    • Justice

      Interesting Perspective. We give Israel over 5 Billion a year in foreign aid. Some of it not just financial but hardware. I am sure Israel would never start a smear and fear campaign to ensure they keep getting our tax payer dollars.

      • Dave Thompson

        And I'm sure Ron Paul would never take money from the Muslim Brotherhood or CAIR, he probably just repeats their talking points for free.

    • Ennis

      And swarm they did

    • David, Thailand

      Correction. If Ron Paul enters the Oval Office millions of decent though snoozing Westerners will be in for a rude awakening.

    • Bill

      I can't wait for this election year to be over, tired of hearing about all this crap.

    • Suck It

      Is there some Christian principle by which Jesus's teachings DO NOT APPLY to foreign policy, national defense, and the conduct of war?

  • BS77

    Mark Levine calls Ron Paul a crackpot……Other media figures have said he is unbalanced, too old, too repetitive….His whiney voice drives people up the wall. What's the attraction here???

    • Notgivingmyname

      "What's the attraction here???"

      He's the only candidate that makes and sense. He's not bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs (Obama & Romney, aka Obamney) and other special interests.

    • Ds Nuts

      What's the attraction to Mark Levine? I don't know how anyone can stand such a hypocrite.

    • brandon

      Mark Levin isn't annoyingly whiney?

    • J ro

      Oh Mark Levine caked him a crackpot? Oh good well that settles it. I was starting to form my own opinion for a second there.I'm glad someone out there pointed out the absolute truth according to the MSM.

      You know I was starting to think about Ron Paul's positions and his consistent record and his principles of honest money and peace. But then you pointed out his age, and shrill voice and lecturing style, and you know, screw that old repetative whiner. I never did really like freedom much anyway. I actually much prefer the right to kill anyone anywhere, so long as I perceive that they hate me.

    • jeff

      IM 40 years old i was a hardcore republican! after all the double talk and lets be honest evangelical christians are boneheads my self included. i woke up. the attraction is the truth and it goes a long way hermano! it's sad weve sunk this far. ron paul tells the truth more so than the rest. i challenge you to study the presidents from kennedy till now. you will notice some amazing things! it will open your eyes! remember jesus said live by the sword die by the sword! no war! unless their is no choice!

      • Rifleman

        Lucky for us the jihadis give us three choices, convert to islam and live under sharia, submit to islam, pay the jizya, and live under sharia, or die. Which do you choose?

    • Voice of Reason

      The problem is that you're listening to Mark Levine. Levine is the real crackpot. Ron Paul is labeled crackpot because he's challenging the corrupt establishment in Washington. The easiest way for them to shut him down is to attempt to discredit him by calling him crazy. Paul's entire political career has been centered around respect for the Constitution and the rule of law. He is literally the only man in all of Washington who actually follows the rules. For this, he is vilified by the likes of Levine, Limbaugh, O'Reilly and the other bags of wind who are leading the mindless droves off a cliff. Do your own research and think for yourself. You'll never get anywhere good following those buffoons around.

    • Jake

      The attraction is the US Constitution. Read it! Stop watching FAUX News and read behind the headlines.
      Define: Blowback
      Define: Interventionism
      Wake up lemming!
      Balance the budget, bring our troops home from Korea, Germany, the middle east etc.. We do not have the money to continue these wars. What did we gain in IRAQ??? NAME ONE GOOD THING WE GAINED IN IRAQ?
      If you say the removal of Saddam you are too stupid to even talk to. Saddam kept the Iranians in check. Why to you thing President Reagan & George Bush I left him in power.
      Only the Neo-Cons wanted him gone. A TRILLION DOLLAR WAR in Iraq for nothing.

    • Questions

      For me, there is no attraction. Paul is as repulsive as his dogmatic followers. I am sure this post, by the way, will be swarmed with negative reviews said followers. Then again, I could care less. I now consider it a badge of honor to be disliked by Rep. Paul's ignorant young things.

      • Stephen_Brady

        Hear! Hear!

      • Lover of Liberty

        I'm a middle aged evangelical Christian AND a Ron Paul supporter. Don't try to define me by your misguided stereotypes.

    • mike

      You should look behins the money of these radio stations that slander ron paul.You will find out some alarming stuff. Bain capital?

  • Michael

    You're a meathead.

    • Uzoozy

      I agree that the author is a jerk and an Islamaphobic

  • Josh

    ugh, more drivel..

  • Devon

    War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength. Repeat after me fellow Americans, "I am free, I am free!"

    • land

      wow you need education

  • justus

    Why don’t you quote some scripture from the jewish talmud, like any non jew is subhuman and is on earth to be a jew slave. You are either a fool or are being paid by your jewish masters to write this filth. I am amerian, I do not pledge alegience to israel and I don’t care what happens to them just like I don’t care what happens to the arab country

    • gidmeister

      you "Justus" did not read the post. The point being made is that some countries, ideologies, and religions do not follow the golden rule. Just like some people don't. If you don't believe that, try entering some gang infested area of the U.S. for instance. If you are attacked, you can say to yourself "hey wait a minute, only Jewish neocons who hate Ron Paul believe they are attacked for no good reason – I must be hallucinating!"
      Personally, I'm Jewish, I hate war, I never read the Talmud, but I am pro-Israel just as I am pro-Democracies in general. I don't like your anti-semitism (I have been the target of some of it, and in my experience, there is actually an anti-semitic mafia out there that stoops to actual sexual assaults, character assassination, use of behavioral drugs, and all sorts of sinister stuff that nobody will believe. You use the word "filth", well – the antiSemites are the filth.

      • Brett

        The Golden Rule is not dependent on others' ideology.

        • Joseph Klein

          Yes it is if you want to survive to practice it another day.

          • saywhaaa

            No, it is not. If you think you can pick and choose the circumstances in which you apply it, you do not actually understand it at all.

          • Bigmamainthemud

            WTF is the point in the Golden Rule if it depends on others beliefs?! Hahaha Wow! Klein, if you don't understand that then there is so much that Harvard did not teach you. It amazes me how "intelligent" people can be so daft!

            A "twist on the Judeo-Christian Golden Rule"?! You are the person whom Jesus was referring to when he said (to paraphrase): "Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him." Or, "But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken."

            Daft is not a good enough word for you Mr. Klein – you are Shylock. Take your pound of flesh.

          • John

            Living to practice it another day is not the point of the Golden Rule. We are to do what is right because it is the right thing to do period. You may understand the words, but you do not grasp their meaning.

      • Brett

        Also, bear in mind that we overthrew the Democracy of Iran in 1953 and replaced it with a dictatorship and now we are in the Middle East proclaiming we are there to help spread Democracy.

        Amazing, isn't it?

      • John

        It might be good if you did read the Talmud. Revealing – if only to know what some fanatical believers actually believe – and act on:

        – TALMUD: Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed").

        – TALMUD – Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."

        – TALMUD – Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.
        – Talmud teachers such as the founder of Habad-Lubavitch, Rabbi Shneur Zalman: "As for the goyim… 'Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.'

        The Golden Rule is "Do unto others as you would HAVE them do unto you."

        The Old Testament Rule is "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." – That's how you make the whole world go blind.

        But the author goes farther and advocates an nuke for an eye and a drone attack wiping out families for a tooth. A lovely modernism in favor of his personal religious jihad against Arabs.

        Hey, other countries: Go solve your own problems. It is your war – don't ask for more US help. Enough is enough.

        • gidmeister

          Its not about saving other countries. Its about saving US. At every session of Iran's parliament, there is the chant "Death To America". Think about that. Do we open congress with chants of "Death to Iran"?
          They also have military parades with slogans such as "we will crush America under our feet!".
          Thats us, John, that they are talking about!
          As for "an eye for an eye" – that is a moral stance. In fact many crime victim families in the US are disappointed at the mild punishment of people who have victimized a familiy member. A fair punishment leads to trust in the justice system. Furthermore, it doesn't lead to escalation – the Bible doesn't advocate two eyes for an eye. However, I would agree that there are bad strains in Judaism, such as those quotes you give from of those Talmud teachers, though I would ask you to remember that Jews got burned to death in the Middle Gges for supposedly causing the plague, and they got killed for supposedly drinking blood of Christian children. It was a savage time, and some Jews were savage in their responses.

          • ZT11

            But why are they chanting us and advocating the death of America? Are they saying death to Switzerland? Are they saying death to Brazil? No, because those nations dont entangle themselves in that region. We overthrew their democracy in 1953 and installed a dictator. That is where the resentment comes from. I'm not scared of Iran having a Nuke or starting a war. If they did so, we would crush them in 6 hours. What I am scared of, is nation building that lasts ten years and accomplishes nothing

          • sidefilippe

            When US is under thier feet, all other small potatos will follow suit, why bothering with the small potato now? And if you pay some attention to what happened to the European countries, you should notice that almost all of them have separate sharia ruled musselmen communities and large number of musselmen population, apparently they use different tactics to counquer.

            It's not We, it's Jimmy Carter with his leftist idiology and party that did Islam a big favor! And it's not the people who resent us, it's the Mullha who does.

            Is it still OK If they detonate a nuke on US soil and we can crush them in 6 hours?

        • Libertyman

          The Talmud isn't scripture…they are rabiniacal discussions which are a wide variance of "opinions".. The references posted are Islamic Scripture. So are you intentionally taking things out of context?

        • RonL

          "- TALMUD: Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed"). "
          Reffers specifically to war against the Romans occupying Israel.

          "- TALMUD – Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement." "
          Yehsu Pandeira died 80 years before Jesus was born. You are quoting a bad sourche.

          "- Talmud teachers such as the founder of Habad-Lubavitch, Rabbi Shneur Zalman: "As for the goyim… 'Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.'"
          That's odd. The Talmud tells us taht Job, the best of all men, was a genitle.

          "The Golden Rule is "Do unto others as you would HAVE them do unto you." "
          he Talmud in tractate Shabbos 31a relates the following well-known story of Hillel:

          "On another occasion it happened that a certain heathen came before Shammai and said to him, "Make me a proselyte, on the condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot." Thereupon he chased him away with the builder's cubit that was in his hand. When he came before Hillel, (he also asked Hillel to teach him the entire Torah while standing on one foot) Hillel replied, "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor: that is the whole Torah while the rest is commentary; go and learn it."

          "The Old Testament Rule is "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." – That's how you make the whole world go blind. "
          Actually it was a restriction on punishment. The saying is obscenely ignorant.

    • jacob

      JUSTUS :

      If you are mentioning the Talmud, how about quoting verse and number what you
      claim states there about non-Jews ???
      As to RON PAUL, he is another market place demagogue…
      I just wonder why isn't he offering another "CHANGE" as OBAMA did when he was
      campaigning and which has turned out to be another jump off the frying pan and
      into the fire…. And as to your not pledging allegiance to Israel, I guess ISRAEL is
      better off without the allegiance of good old USA, at least while Presidents as the
      one we are suffering are still in office or crackpots and demagogues as PAUL

      • ZT11

        Who cares about Israel? They are not our country, and my tax dollars shouldnt go to furnish campaigns that I abhor and disagree with. They have 300 nukes and a capable military. Once Iran declares war, or threatens us militarily(not politically), we should kill everyone in sight until they surrender. No baseless rules of engagement, no counter-insurgencie, no policing and saving civilians. Lay down the law in 6 hours, and get out. That sort of brutality will make sure no country dare attack us again, for they will feel the wrath of what our country is. A far cry from the blumbering ineffective war in Iraq.

        • sidefilippe

          Who cares about Palestine who are hostile to the West and Israel? They took billions of our tax money and killed thousands of innocent people who simply just want to have some freedom and do their own business.

          While Isarel took billions of our aid, they spent much of it right back to our economy and they provide invaluable rigional stability and intelligence support to the US, according to the Pantagon, that valued many times more than what we haved provided her! Even though Israel possesses nukes, she never threatened against anyone with it, including Arabs!

          When Iran detonate a nuke on US soil without declaring war and hide the trace of the nuke and deny the involvement, what to do then? Nontheless the tactics you described should be the rule against terrorism.

    • Stephen_Brady

      Member of the National Socialist Movement, are we?

      • Stephen_Brady

        Member of the NSM, are we, Justus?

  • Chris Enlightened

    I don't understand what's wrong with being attracted TO NOT bombing brown people all over the world…? Research the overthrow of the Shah in Iran in 1952 and you'll have the answer to all of our current Middle East FAILED endevours. Sad, really, that choose to discount our involvement as a reason for distain. The Shah….1953….Study.

    • Chris Nichols

      We went to war to stop the killing of the 'Brown People" as you call them. Who has killed more "brown people" since 1968 Saddam Hussein, or the United States? The answer is Saddam. Why is AQ in Iraq still killing fellow Muslims in Iraq right now Paulnut? Why were they doing it while we were there.

      • ZT11

        Your point is exactly the reason we shouldn't involve ourselves in their affair. If they killed themselves before, during, and after we were there, they cant help themselves. AQ doesn't bomb Switzerland and Brazil, aren't they non-muslim nations?

        • Ennis

          ". If they killed themselves before, during, and after we were there, they cant help themselves."

          I'm sorry did you just imply that arabs are naturally violent?

          • curmudgeon

            i would

        • curmudgeon

          after the united states and europe are defeated, it will be the turn of switzerland and brazil to take the brunt of the gentle persuasion to accept the religion of peace. perhaps they will submit peacefully, i dont intend to.


      Chris, since you know so much about the Talmud, tell me how many volumes there are and in what language is it?

      THAT piece was written in what? 120 AD?
      The Talmud is not the Torah.
      It is folklore.

    • juan

      I have another theory that goes back much farther than the Shah in the 50's. Currently, Islam is sitting in occupied territory. North Africa, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq….all belonged to a Christian empire. Any meddling that is done in the middle east is the same thing that has been going on since islam's invention in the 7th century. The middle east is messed up because it is full of muslims acting muslim. If you think that backwards part of the world is angry because of the Shah you're in lala land.

  • erp1

    Joseph Klein nails it. We should be demonizing, sanctioning and bombing Muslims. That's the Republican way now that neocons like Klein dominate it. Murder those brown kids by the thousands!
    How dare Ron Paul dares get in the way. I mean, if it was politically advantageous to murder Jewish children by the thousands, Ron Paul would be the only one fighting against that too. He's dangerous!

    • davarino

      Right, we have no reason for bombing those "brown people". We are just carpet bombing the "brown people" cause we hate the color brown. And somehow in your mind if we decided tomorrow, that we didnt like Jews we would just start bombing them also.

      You didnt read the article and you dont care about the contents of the article. You are a true Paulbot sent out to spew your talking points.

      Good luck

      • Chad in Kentucky

        Actually, he was answering this jingoistic crap with sarcasm. Haters gonna hate, I get that. But 99+% of the people who die on our "blades" are doing so because we invaded or bombed their country in retaliation for the acts of far less than 1% of 1% of 1% of their people. That would be the equivalent of picking a major city, and carpet-bombing black neighborhoods because a gang member shot a cop.

      • Brett

        Why are we in the Middle East again?

        If you believe its to fight terrorism, then you have to acknowledge that the evidence is substantial that terrorism has dramatically increased due to us having bases on their own land and bombing their people for many years.

        If you believe its to spread Democracy, then you have to acknowledge that we overthrew a democracy in Iran in 1953 and put in place dictatorship.

        Both of these facts are public record and available to you any time you are prepared to research it yourself.

        I happen to believe the words written by our top foreign adviser to the past 4-5 presidents, Brzezinski, in his book "The Grand Chessboard", which states that we MUST take over the Middle East and their natural resources to take advantage of our opportunity to become the one and only super global power on the planet. He even states that in order to achieve that goal, we need an external threat that is so broad that Americans would accept whatever means necessary to fulfill that agenda.

        The proof is on the ground and what has occurred in Afghanistan. Because the U.S. knew the Taliban would not be able to facilitate the necessary security and diplomacy to allow us to build oil lines across their country, it was necessary to put in place a government that was pro-American. The moment Karzai was put in power, one of the first agreements reached was to allow Oil corporations the right to build these pipelines. All of our major military bases, like connect the dots, falls right in proximity to this pipeline currently being built.

        In Brzezinski's book, this is necessary because China can't build this pipeline across the 5,000 miles necessary to connect it into the European lines. However, we can build it and by taking it down into the Indian Ocean, we can export this oil to the East and make China dependent on the United States.

        But, what do I know. I don't get my information from the news. I read the books of the power players who work behind the scenes to implement policy.

    • Uzoozy

      Ron Paul is correct to some extent.

    • curmudgeon

      you are a fool

  • MAhdi

    The quotes from the quran were all taken out of context. Nice try though

    • Big Irish

      of course they were moron… was 9-11….etc -etc – etc……..

    • davarino

      Please enlighten.

    • tanstaafl

      What context? Have you read the Qur'an?

    • jacob

      Do you believe EVERYBODY is as ignorant as you Muslims are, to claim these
      KORAN quotes were taken out of context ???
      I would love to watch the most learned of your "scholars" debating Mr. KLEIN
      G.W. BUSH might have believed that "ISLAN IS A RELIGION OF PEACE" , the
      same mantra your Mullahs and Ayatollahs repeat when thrown to their faces
      what Islam stands for, as to me, your KORAN and all the rest of your "Holy"
      books are the same as HITLER's "MEIN KAMPF" …..

    • AEM

      Exactly. See my example above. And if anyone wants me to break down the rest and PROVE IT, I will. This author wants to inspire hatred and bigotry and there is no room for the likes of him in the future of man.

    • Stephen_Brady

      Ah! I see that we've been "honored" by the presence of th "Mahdi". And when the Paulbots saw your post, they automatically gave you the "thumbs-up".

      Is there any Paulbot in this thread who knows who … or what … the Mahdi is, and why the drive towards nuclear power by Iran is so threatening to world peace?

      I didn't think so …

      • trickyblain

        Isn't the Mahdi the one who joins forces with Jesus and defeats Satan?

      • soserious

        Yea, I like Ron Paul – and therefore can be slurred into your term Paulbot ,though if you want to get more creative the derisive term Ronulan could be better, or cultist, or whatever. Heck I can make derisive slurs too.
        Its taken from an obscure hadith about an Islamic hero who will unite the people under one Islamic rule. It scared the heck out of the House of Al Saud in 1979 when Juhemyan and his group captured Makkah claiming to have him. But seriously dude. Really? Talk about conspiracy theories – Shiite Iran is not plotting to take over the world with their imaginary Mahdi. Do you really think the Sunni, quite powerful Saudi's would stand for it?
        This is by the way why this talk of "protecting Isreal from Iran" bothers me. If anything we are protecting our oil in Saudi Arabia. Its not about Isreal, its about keeping the Saudi's in power. If Mitt Romney were actually smarter he would stay the heck out of it, because one thing the Kingdom and Isreal could unite upon would be their desire to keep the Saudi's from a nuclear weapon. Its likely the Mossad more than anything else taking out those scientists.
        And now I will derogatorily ask if you followed my references. Maybe not as smart as ya think you are right?

        • soserious

          Shoot -their desire to keep the Persians from a nuclear weapon. Dang, sorry. Bad edit.

          • soserious

            But I'm still more right than you Stephen Brady. Also more knowledgeable about Islamic and Arabic history, and likely more pretty.

            And I support Ron Paul. Chew on that.

        • jacob

          SOSERIOUS :

          As truthful as that the 9/11 horror was a combined deed of the US govmt.
          and the Mossad or that the USA got rid of Saddam Hussein in order to
          avail themselves of the Iraqi oil or that RON AUL's braying makes up for
          sound policy….
          Verily, not all in insane asylums are bonkers nor all those on the streets
          are sane….
          There are too many nuts loose and the Mummy is just one of those….
          However, if the price of American "protection" of Israel is American dictating
          Israel's policy with the Arabs, I guess Israel is better off without

          • soserious

            I have no idea what that means. I'm not entirely sure if you slammed me or supported me. You win the burger king crown tonight.

    • juan

      sounds pretty clear to me. obviously bin laden, arafat, and every muslim cailiph/leader of the last 1300 years also though it was pretty clear since they lived it to the word.

      but we'll take YOUR word for it since you were there with the demon-posessed pedophile in the 7th century taking dictation of the koran

      • soserious

        Ha. Wait really? I think that was an oblique insult to my being well read about the topic which we are discussing. Yes, I am thoroughly ashamed to have read a book. I wish I could live up to the -admittedly far more entertaining-blind,hateful ignorance being displayed.

        And by the way, mor-juan (get it? :) ) The Mahdi is a story from an obscure hadith, not from the Koran. There isn't a single mention of it in the Quran. It doesn't exist. Where is Stephen Brady? I wanna debate someone with a higher IQ. Tap out dude. Tap your buddy in.

  • UCSPanther

    Wow. That was fast.

    And people wonder why I view Ron Paul's personality cult with contempt…

    • Devon

      Well, somebody needs to defend the good doctor from all this BS. If Germany had a Dr. Paul back in the '30s and '40s speaking out against the treatment of Jews, I'm sure you and the rest of the Nazi's would have done the same thing that's happening now; total smear campaign. Try reading a book, or, if you can't unglue from the TV, maybe the History channel?

      • davarino

        Ya, well where are you numbnuts when there are good non Ron Paul articles written on Frontpagemag? Or do you just cruise the internet looking for only Ron Paul opinions? So that is your only issue? All hale Ron Paul

        • Chad in Kentucky

          Speaking for myself, I am starved for quality news of Dr Paul. Corporate media does their best not to give him justice. So several times a day I do a google-news search on his name, and read the articles. If an interesting title pops up, I read it. If it is a good article, I applaud it…if a bold face lie, I expose it…if it is racist clap-trap I argue against it. My guess is the "positive" articles you mentioned have never hit the front page of google-news. If you wave a red-flag at a bull expect to dodge the charges…

    • Jon

      A lot of people disagree with me…they must be in a cult. Obliviots are always a source of entertainment.

  • Nathaniel Ryan Hamrick

    This guy is bombing the Quran. They won't all be Paul "cultists"

    Lay off the religious hate, buddy

    • juan

      it's hate to quote someone?


    • Dave Thompson

      The only hate you have read was quoted directly from the Quran, the worse book of religious hate ever conceived.

      • Gavin

        Religion is all a racket you Knuckle dragger!

  • Danconia

    They got kind of pissed after we killed a half a million Iraqi CHILDREN in the 90's.
    They were mad when we overthrew democratically elected governments for dictators.
    You lap up the "muslims hate our freedoms" kool-aid.

    War is a racket, it always has been.

    • davarino

      Half a million? Because of our sanctions? Really? And your numbers are not off by say a factor of a 1000 or more? And you want me to believe they love their dictators? Really? So what would you say about the "arab spring"? They threw off their dictators? Well they are going to get some new ones and those are only going to be more belligerant to us and any other peaceful nation

      • Chad in Kentucky

        hmmm…I wonder who will be funding those dictators? Who will be paying them to play nice? Who will be selling them weapons to oppress their people, in the name of stability?

        While it won't be the "People" of the good ol' U.S. of A. It will be the Government, Agencies, and Operatives acting "in their name". Some of us want them to stop these actions because they cause more instability and blow-back, not less. Ever heard the axiom "you reap what you sow"?

      • Danconia

        Ya, a half million due to sanctions and bombings a figure drummed up by the U.N. and not denied by our own government.

        Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

        Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.

        A simple google search would have cleared all this up for you.

        War is a racket, it always has been.

        • Ennis

          "Ya, a half million due to sanctions and bombings a figure drummed up by the U.N. and not denied by our own government. "

          Actually a figure drummed up by the iraqi government. Iraq denied UN requests to admit independent experts to assess living conditions.
          Iraqi doctors denounced the “propaganda campaign,” stating that “sanctions did not kill these
          children – Saddam killed them… their mothers lived in impoverished areas neglected by the

          • Danconia

            Both the WHO and UNICEF back the numbers which Madeleine Albright didn't deny.
            But let's play your game,
            Saddam killed them…
            Who put Saddam,trained by the CIA, into power?
            Who gave Saddam weapons, money and technology, including the gas he used to kill the kurds?

          • Ennis

            "Who put Saddam,trained by the CIA, into power?"

            Um saddam

            "Who gave Saddam weapons, money and technology, including the gas he used to kill the kurds?"

            The Russians, the Chinese, the French and I believe the Germans were the ones who gave him the gas.

          • Ennis

            Milton Leitenberg Genocide scholar(- a scientist by professional training who has worked on arms control, including biological and chemical weapons, for 35 years."

            "An Examination of the Charge that UN Sanctions Preventing the Sale of Oil by Iraq have been the Cause of Excessive Child Mortality in Iraq.

            The Government of Iraq has built its entire case for the end of sanctions on the argument of the suffering of its civilians; as Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz reportedly explained to UNSCOM Executive Chairman Butler in June 1998, " the details (of Iraq's proscribed weapons systems) were unimportant in the view of the suffering in Iraq as a consequence of the sanctions." Iraq's description of "suffering" has been much more specific: it is the charge that millions of children have died since 1991 as a direct consequence of sanctions. The following examination of this charge is divided into four parts: (1) the specifics of the charge; (2) the resources available to the government of Iraq since 1991 despite the sanctions, (3) the resource allocation decisions and priorities of the Iraqi government since 1991, in the face of financial pressures and the claim of millions dying and (4) the use of Iraqi infrastructure in support of gross human rights violations and environmental degradation.

            (1) The Alleged Effects of the Loss of Oil Export Earnings. As indicated, Iraq "predicted" what the effect of the sanctions would be as the Security Council was establishing the sanctions. But it was Iraq which initially refused the "oil for food" program which allowed monitored exports for oil in exchange for importation of food and medicine and has resisted evaluation of its impact. Months before the onset of the Gulf War, the United Nations Security Council imposed economic sanctions on Iraq under a series of resolutions. Following the war, UNSC Resolution 687 in 1991 mandated the destruction of all of Iraq's WMD programs, and the imposition of an inspection and control system to see that these were not reconstituted. Iraq accepted the conditions of the sanctions. One of them was an embargo on Iraq's oil exports. The sanctions at all times had explicitly permitted the import by Iraq of food and medicines.

            In 1992 and 1993, Iraq negotiated the terms of a limited oil sale for humanitarian reasons under UNSCR 706, before ultimately rejecting it. Nevertheless, during those years and in the years that followed, it became a staple of Iraqi government propaganda that the sanctions on its export of oil was the direct cause of increased child mortality in Iraq. This exploited the frequent argument that economic sanctions only serve to bring suffering to the general public of the country sanctioned. In 1995 the Iraqi government had nevertheless refused even to negotiate the terms of implementing a similar sale under UNSCR 986. Following the defection in August 1995 of General Kamel, who had directed Iraq's WMD program, the massive disclosures Iraq then felt itself forced to make exposed years of its previous lying. Gen. Kamel's exposure of Iraq's past and continued WMD program convinced Iraq's supporters in the UNSC–France, Russia, and China –who were previously intent on removing all sanctions, that it would be impossible for the UNSC to take that step in the foreseeable future. Only after they informed Iraq of that did Iraq alter its position in mid-January 1996 and negotiate an interim oil sale with the UN under the terms of UNSCR 986.

            By December 1990 Iraq already claimed that over 1,400 children had died as a result of the sanctions. In 1994 Iraq reported that 400,000 children had died; in 1995 the figure was raised to 500,000; in 1996 to one million and by 1997 and into 1998 Iraq claimed that a total of 1.5 million had died. The 1995 estimate as well as the charge that the mortality was caused by UN sanctions is frequently attributed to a United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) report of the same year. That is absolutely not the case; no such statement appears in the FAO report. Two of its five authors however wrote a letter to Lancet making the claim, which was repeated in the journal's lead editorial, and from there it was repeated by editorials and press coverage in newspapers worldwide. On the contrary, the Director of the Food and Nutrition Division of the FAO wrote in 1995 "that the study was not designed to prove causality, but had the task of assessing the crop and food availability situation and investigating the nutritional stature of the population." Notably, a UNICEF report in October-November 1997 does not contain a single word on child mortality: it discusses only nutritional status and does not mention the sanctions as "a cause" of any deficiencies."

          • Ennis

            Iraq reported its infant mortality for 1987 (children under one year of age dying) as 70 per 1000 and child mortality (children under 5 years of age) as 96 per 1000, both extremely high figures. Since then Iraqi authorities have claimed that the pre-1990 levels were only one-third that high. All alleged post-1990 figures on infant and child mortality in Iraq are supplied by the Iraqi government agencies. There is no mechanism by which the WHO, UNICEF, or any other international agency can gather such data. The numbers claimed by Iraq for child mortality since 1991 do not appear credible but are widely repeated in the press worldwide.
            (2). Resources Available to the Government of Iraq Since 1990. Iraq began the sanctions period with a gold reserve of several billion dollars. In addition, despite the sanctions, Iraq has been exporting oil through Turkey since 1992 and through Iran since 1994. As of February 1995 it had earned a estimated $700-800 million thereby, and its total foreign export and hard currency earnings since then are estimated at about $2 billion per year. Estimates in 1998 are that Iraq is exporting 20 percent of its oil production capacity in addition to what it has been allowed to export under UN approved Oil-for-Food sales since 1996: 10 percent through land and sea smuggling routes, and another 10 percent to Jordan with UN cognizance. There have been even higher estimates recently: in January 1998, UNSCOM Chairman Butler estimated that Iraq's contraband oil shipments from the port of Basra earned it "hundreds of millions of dollars a month." All of the contraband earnings from Iraq's illegal exports are beyond UN control and could have been used for food or medicine or anything else."

            The ongoing situation in Iraq demonstrates that the United Nations and the United Nations Security Council in particular have not been able to convince or force Iraq to give up and cease its WMD programs, BW particularly, as required by UN resolutions. Iraq committed itself to abide by those resolutions in 1991. However, it has strenuously and actively avoided doing so, and it has continually been in material breach of the resolutions. Compounding this problem is the clear and repeated failure of three of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council to hold Iraq to those commitments. That has undercut the ability of the international community to see an end to Iraq's offensive BW program. In early June 1998, one even began to hear media references to " Iraq's allies, France and Russia," in the UN Security Council deliberations regarding Iraq, UNSCOM, and the maintenance of the mandated sanctions.

            (3). The Resource Allocation Decisions and Continued Gross Violations of Human Rights By the Government of Iraq Since 1991 Despite Financial Constraints. These seem quite straightforward:
            – – Iraq rejected successive offers by the UN to accept special "food-for-oil" agreements until May 1996, when its major supporters in the UNSC informed Iraq that they could not support efforts to end the sanctions following General Kemal's defection and disclosures.
            – – Although food and medicines were always exempted from sanctions, the Iraqi government forbade the import of medications until 1995.
            – – By 1993, Iraq had repaired its major infrastructure that was destroyed or damaged in the 1990 bombing campaign. In June 1993 the Iraqi government was reported to be using 40,000 troops to surround a marsh area in the Shiite south of Iraq in an effort to prevent any food, medicine and fuel from entering the area. Iraq drained the marshes in the South in a gigantic civil engineering project as part of a military campaign against the Shi'ite "Marsh Arabs."
            – – Iraq used available hard currency, and the $2 billion per year it earned by exports after 1991, to refit and reestablish its factories that produced conventional weapons, and to buy ballistic missiles guidance systems, the latter in direct contravention of the sanctions. In February 1998, Iraq's Foreign Minister reported the development of a new short-range (150-km) missile.
            – – It carried out a second military campaign against the Kurds in the North.
            – – The Iraqi government built — since 1991 and in the face of the alleged starvation and death among its population due to lack of food and medicines — as many as 78 new palaces with magnificent and luxurious fittings, costing an estimated several billion dollars.
            – – In November 1993 Iraq rebuilt the central headquarters for its secret police and security forces after it had been destroyed by U.S. cruise missiles in an accelerated building program that took only 110 days.
            – – In June 1994 figures reported by the United Nations Development Programme indicated that Iraq's budget allocated 270 percent more for weapons than it did for "social expenditure."

          • Ennis

            "At the same time, Iraq has diverted attention from its violations by alleging a humanitarian crisis caused by the UNSC-mandated sanctions. The crux of this issue is that the deterioration of the nutritional status of children has been the result of policy choices made by the Iraqi government in the intervening years, rather than by the sanctions directly. Precisely because of exceptions included in the original UN Security Council sanctions resolutions, Iraq always had the ability since 1991 to import food and medicines, and Iraq additionally had both the currency reserves and sufficient current earnings with which to do so. The Iraqi government simply chose to use its money and its earnings for other purposes. Therefore, if child mortality and malnutrition have been excessive since 1991, that is not due to the sanctions directly, but to the choices that the Iraqi government has made for ten years on how to use its available funds under constrained circumstances.""

    • Questions

      You apparently are as bad with statistics as you are with logic. Half-million children, my ass.

    • curmudgeon

      half a million. name them, liar.

  • UCSPanther

    Hey Ron Paul cultist: I have a question:

    If your dear leader were to die, would you go all out grieving like the North Koreans after Kim Jong Il's death?

    • Nathaniel Ryan Hamrick

      I'd probably come to your house and sock you in the jaw for attacking the Constitution of my country (as Paul is the only one truly defending it with all of his effort) while you call the police and cry, having me arrested for assaulting you like the little whiney baby you are. Even though you'd gladly send people to war. ;)

      • UCSPanther

        Come to my house, and you'll be facing down a 12 gauge.

        • Nathaniel Ryan Hamrick

          I'd gladly take a bullet for the Constitution. Unlike you.

          & for the record, I still wouldn't bring a gun.

          • UCSPanther

            So you are saying, that you'll gladly take a 3-inch payload of 000 buck for your dear leader?

            I love the dedication and willingness to die for your dear leader.

          • Nathaniel Ryan Hamrick

            I bet you do. Anything about death gets you off. Helps you sleep at night knowing people are out there gettin' blown up and bleeding to death every day.

          • UCSPanther

            You are so fun to provoke.

            Just like North Koreans with their fanatical devotion to Kim Il Sung's bloodline.

          • Nathaniel Ryan Hamrick

            Propaganda makes them believe their dear leader is a good guy.

            Propaganda makes people who read your crap believe that Paul might not be worth a vote.

            …..'Til I show up and put you in your place. I'm out of here!

          • UCSPanther

            Course you will, tough guy.

            Find me if you dare.

          • Brandon

            You're an idiot.

          • UCSPanther

            That all you got?

          • Matt

            I agree. You are an idiot. I have yet to decide who I will vote for, but if people like YOU are the opposition to Ron Paul, then go Ron!

          • Henry

            You wouldn't have a gun without the Constitution. But you are willing to let it die because you think hate is more important than the truth.

            Ever wonder what the truth is? Believing something harder doesn't make it truer. But go ahead, be a tough guy.

            I love the dedication and willingness to kill for your dear ego.

          • Rifleman

            Lol, American's didn't have guns before the Constitution? Tell us another one!

          • John

            We don't have Constitutional Rights, we have rights period. The Constitution is merely an instrument to delineate some of them and to give a framework for the limited powers of Government. That is why adhering to it is so important – it limits the power of government. This means there are things about which the government has no purview and must cease all efforts to control. Some of these are; Education, Social Security, EPA, Dept of Commerce, Welfare, etc. Probabaly 80% of what our government does is unconstitutional and thus void and without authority.

          • Rifleman

            A agree with you there, and quite a few of your fellow ronpaul followers hear today could stand to learn it, but it doesn't make your prior post right.

      • UCSPanther

        Nice to see Ron Paul zombies acting so civilized.

        • Devon

          UCSPanther = Neo-Con sympathizer

          • UCSPanther

            What? No threats? No declarations of willing to kill and die for the Eternal leader?

          • Nathaniel Ryan Hamrick

            Hey kid, I didn't say I'd kill you!

            I said I'd knock you one to the jaw like your daddy should've done!

          • UCSPanther

            Whatever, tough guy.

          • Unicorn_War

            Like attracts like. It seems both sides find comfort in retort.

    • BlowtheBridge

      I would take a bullet for Ron Paul, and I actually expect I will have to someday.

      I would defend myself and my country first.

      I have personally fought for this country in the Marines and swore an oath to defend the Constitution. I expect that from a Presidential Candidate as well.

      Can you name another one who will do this without fail?

      Your 12 gauge won't work against a .308, check the Maximum Effective Range

      • Rifleman

        Lol, he must have a really big porch for someone on it to be out of 12GA range.

    • Brett

      How naive are you?

      When Ron Paul is long gone and you are busy watching your Football, Ron Paul supporters will be running for Congress and seats at every level of government in order to guarantee we maintain our Constitutional principles.

      You fail to realize that because of this Ron Paul has already won. This fact works much in our favor, because we know you will just go along with anything the government does and one day that will be the very principles Ron Paul stands for.

      One day, you'll be a "Paultard" just like us and you won't even realize it.

    • Jason

      Hey UCSPanther! If WWE were canceled today, would you go all out grieving like the North Koreans after Kim Jong II's death? You Americans claim to love liberty but have no idea what it is because you assume you already know. Yes I'm sorry the link is educational.

      • Rifleman

        How original, did you come up with that yourself, or did your mommy help?

        Fake rasslin' ? No thanks, I'll hold out for the real deal.

  • Ds Nuts

    It is so sad that the only candidate talking about Liberty, Peace, and fiscal responsibility is called a crack-pot, and unelectable by the powers that be.
    What is the problem with following the golden-rule? What is wrong with being the shining example to the world? Dr. Paul's analogy about the Chinese and OBL was this: We invaded a sovereign nation to get someone we considered a criminal in this nation. We would be hopping mad if China came here and got or killed someone they consider a criminal in their nation, with their own troops, without even coordinating said troops with us.

    • MrDerek

      Following the Golden Rule doesn't sell newspapers, bullets, or "How to build your own Fallout shelter from the tears of your children's future to survive the coming Muslim Invasion (Now available on Kindle)".

    • Ennis

      It is so sad that the only candidate talking about Liberty. Are ya sure about that? He was against the 1964 civil rights act.

      I also cannot believe your retarded comparison with regards to China. Going into Afghanistan was not about about one man it was an entire organisation.

    • Cantvotegopnow

      No its sad because Paul is the only candidate talking about Liberty, Peace, and fiscal responsibility and is ALSO racist crack-pot.
      If the GOP could find a candidate that isn't a Racist, Evangelical, Crackpot, and doesn't Preach Hate while holding a Bible then they might even get my vote…..

    • Chris Nichols

      So, we shouldn't have gone to Argentina to arrest Adolph Eichmann? Who invaded a sovereign nation, two sovereign nations first. That would be Saddam Hussein. Were you shedding any tears over the dead Iranians, the gassed Kurds or dead Kuwaitis? So Dr. Paul's analogy is false because our invasions were a reaction to those things. That and he trained and helped equip Ramzi Yousef, the guy who was part of the plotting and executin of the first WTC bombing in '93. How do you guys get things so backwards?

      • Ds Nuts

        OBL was killed on Pakastani soil. That is the soverign nation that Dr. Paul was refering to in his analogy.

    • sidefilippe

      Nothing wrong with the golden rule, when we want others to give us freedom, we make them to give freedom to their people too, when we want others to not kill us, we prevent them from killing their own people as well. When we want others to keep peace with us, we make them to keep peace with us if they don't. It's wrong for the person who applied it incorrectly and mislead many uninformed or ignorant people.

      Therefore if OBL doesn't want to keep peace with us, we'll make him. Therefore if the Chinese wanted freedom of speech but can't get it within his own country, then we give it to him here.

    • Carl

      OBL was the mastermind behind 9/11 which killed nearly 3,000 innocent people. Thus he was a wanted criminal that pakistan wouldn't detain never mind arrest. We had to step in, therefore, and get him. If a man in China killed 3,000 innocent Chinese civilians and we provided him a safe house in the United States, then China would have the right to come on our soil and take him out. Why in the world would we protect such a criminal in the first place? The analogy doesn't make sense just as applying the golden rule to a nation that desires our destruction is sophomoric.

      To every [thing there is] a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven, A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up [that which is] planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance.–Ecclesiastes

  • erp1

    I hate our troops like Klein does. The troops support Ron Paul more than all other candidates combined. The troops are America hating Paultards.

    • Jaed Deaj

      And boy you sure don't mind sending THEM to fight and die…..

    • Rifleman

      Not the troops I know. It's funny how much paulbots remind me of socialists, in their thinking and tactics. Pretending to be something they're not is one of their faves. Coincidence, I'm sure, lol.

    • Brett

      No, you are just a cowardly, little man that prefers lawlessness over following the Constitution.

    • casjerem

      You don't like the troops, than why don't you go and defend yourself and your country on your own. Let's see if you wouldn't start agreeing with the other troops after a while, that's if you even come back to be able to voice your opinion.

    • jacob

      The mummy (or doesn't Paul resemble one ??) says most of his financial supporters come from the military and in my concept, IF TRUE, it surely
      makes sense.
      We came up with the invention of a mercenary army and what surprises me
      is that under OBAMA, it hasn'tt surfaced again the proposal of unionizing it as
      some crackpot did years ago but, what can be better that earning your salary
      idling at barracks or homes ????
      If anything, the original system taught people discipline and what does the
      present one do ?????

      I wonder

  • erp1

    Let's hope Klein and his fellow Neocons succeed in killing off some more of our moronic Ron-Paul-supporting-troops by sending them to Iran, Pakistan, Syria, etc. Go Frontpage!

    • Rifleman

      Spoken like a true paulbot, and I see your fellow worshipers agree.

      • saywhaaaa

        Hallmark of a simple mind is the inability to recognize obvious sarcasm.

  • James

    "Radical islam" is a reaction to US (and other governments) meddling in the middle east. Prior to the 1950s (ie prior to us installing puppet dictators and conducting coups as part of our cold war with the soviets), there was little to no terrorist actions against the US, despite us being free, prosperous, and more 'christian' than we are now.

    • Rifleman

      Radical islam predates the USA by about a thousand years. Our first warships were built to fight the sultanate of Tripoli, who was waging jihad against us in The Med because we quit paying the jizya, or dhimmi tax. That was our first invasion and regime change, BTW, and has more to do with why the jihadis didn't bother us much for the next century, than anything else.

      • Tim

        Yep. Its as old as radical Christianity. They tend to feed off each other.

        • Chris Nichols

          Give me an example. The Crusades, Paulnut, is that what you mean? They were a reaction of 450 years of Muslim conquests. Tell me something, why is Arabic spoken through most of the Middle East and North Africa. Arabscame from one place–do you know where? The Arabian Peninsula, if it wasn't for Muhammad, the Arabs would still be tribal pagans attacking each others' tribes and visiting their tribal idols in the Kaaba. But thanks to Islam, millions of Hindus, Persians, Africans and Jews were slaughtered for not bowing down and serving Allah. Every North African nation was invaded and it's inhabitants enslaved by the Arabs, there are no true Egyptians, Libyans, Algerians, Moroccans anymore. A lot of them used to be Christians by the way, as well as the people of modern day Jordan, Syria and Iraq–they are all a bunch of tribal Arabs. Does Christianity have that same record.

        • Rifleman

          Yea Tim, cycle of violence and all that, we've heard it all before in the Cold War, and it turned out to be bravo sierra.

    • Ennis

      ""Radical islam" is a reaction to US (and other governments) meddling in the middle east."

      So you're saying then thats its the united States fault that Islamic
      extremists have committed mass murder in Muslim countries such as Algeria, Iran, Iraq and Sudan, and in non-Western countries such as India and the Philippines?

  • Unicorn_War

    Once fire can defeat fire, I'll believe in a "just" war. Ignorance is temporary. Progression is inevitable. Tolerance is a must.

    • Rifleman

      I guess you don't know much about fighting forest fires or you would have heard of a backburn. So, you now believe in just war?

      • saywhaaa

        You should come back when you understand the meaning of the term "just war".

        • Rifleman

          Unicorn gave the criteria, I met it, and your trying to change the subject is just an exceptionally weak attempt at cover to weasel out of it. I’ve been here almost as long as this site has been around, maybe you should come back when you’re ready to accept reality.

          • curmudgeon

            rifleman is right, and a unicorn is a mythical creature. fire does defeat fire.

    • Joseph Klein

      Tolerance must be a two-way street.

  • M_hayes

    Panther, unfortunately no Ron Paul supporter is going to take your bait. We debate on policy not personality. So you can take your infantile responses to some other website where you could find some like minded imbeciles.

    By the way, I think you rather than Ron Paul have a greater probability of dying when you are eventually drafted to fight Iran. Would be good riddance actually!

    • UCSPanther

      Too bad: Someone already has.

      • Rifleman

        Lol, hey Panther, when he says "take your infantile responses to some other website," ya think he's read any of the other ronpaul faithful's responses to this article? How long have you been here Panther? Years, at least, and isn’t it funny to see some stranger who doesn’t even have an Intense Debate account try to run you off? And they wonder why everyone laughs at them…

    • Sandee

      "Panther" attends USC–the University of Spoiled Children–no doubt he has no fear that his sorry ass will be safe if there's another draft!

      • Sandee

        Whoops–ha ha, just noticed it was "UCS"–dyslexics unite!

  • Father Creamy

    And… what do these Jihadists think of Christians who follow the Bible? They probably think Christians follow the quotes that promote killing people of other faiths as well, and that we're over there committing our 'holy war'. Also, how are we suppose to defeat an enemy that's in citizen's clothing, and have been waiting for us to leave their country before reclaiming the area? And in the meantime, they're just screwing around with us by planting bombs and setting up ambushes.

    As for the dissident 'seeking freedom' (which was said by someone else), Ron Paul was probably trying to get across that if Chinese person caused mass destruction in China and fled to USA to hide, how would we feel if China came over to the US and used military power on our soil to track the person down. That makes more sense than what came across in the debate.

    • Rifleman

      There's no, "They probably think," about it, the jihadis say flat out and openly that no matter what we think or do we have three choices, convert to islam and live under sharia, submit to islam and live under sharia, or die.

      • Brett

        You mean the same thing they have threatened for the past 200 years?

        It looks like it was worked out real well.

      • saywhaaa

        We get it, you are terrified of the big bad muslims. That is a natural reaction for a coward. The rest of us non-cowards could not care less what the muslims say, and as for what they do, I welcome them to attempt to come over here and force us to convert.

        That would be the shortest war in American history.

        • Rifleman

          You said that as if yall aren't the one ones trying to run away. Brave Sir Robin, is that you?

  • Lightning Jack

    The Islamic global intifada is not going to stop or allow itself to be contained if left alone, and as we are witnessing in many European countries which have allowed unchecked Muslim immigration, one observes that….

    Even those European states with marginal Muslim populations are experiencing cultural assimilation problems with these people, which show no intention of tolerating, or assimilating into their host populations culture or social systems other than to demand exclusive privileges and entitlements.

    • saywhaaa

      Oh boy another quaking coward afraid of the muslims.

      What is the matter, you afraid that you will be unable to protect yourself and your family from a 2% minority?

      • Chris Nichols

        Ron Paul is the quaking coward. That is the point of this whole topic. I

      • curmudgeon

        either you are a fool, or a muslim invader. which is it?

    • ZT11

      There is a difference between nation building and war. These muslim countries are so politically, culturally, physically, and militarily inept that they hold no threat. If we really had a good general and commander in chief, we could take Iran and Iraq out in 8 hours. Yet we tilt the rules of engagement and play counter-insurgencie, and have wars go on for years. Truly make the people suffer through insane warfare, instead of trying influence their politics through timid warfare, and everyone from their elite to their poor will know not to mess with the U.S.

    • pjmerc

      Those European states that are under attack are the same ones that were involved in the wars in the Middle East through NATO. The only difference is that they're closer than we are. We need to stay out of other countries' business until they start genocide on their own people or attack other nations. Then they deserve a massive response via NATO and the United Nations. Not that I like either group, but world wide condemnation of a particular country's actions is much better than the US being the world's policeman.

  • Steve

    Another garbage article from another garbage "journalist" writing articles from his parents' basement.

    It's so easy to take the Old-Testament Bible out of context and say that we need to stone everybody for any sort of wrong doing.

    Anyway, there is a reason most of the military, CIA and even many leaders in Israel (I'm Jewish) agree with Paul. It's called common sense, and I suggest you get some before you attempt to do any more "journalism".

    • Susiejoe

      This is journalism? I'd call it war mongering and propaganda.

  • TommyO

    LOL – I never can figure out how all the obvious fascists ended up Zionists?

    • Dave Thompson

      That's because they never did.

      They started to support muslims instead.

  • Kan-Wil-Sal

    Hi from South-Africa I live right next to a Muslim neighbourhood, I think little of their faith and have told them that to their face’s, I also told them I am racist just to make sure they know what distance to keep. Yet, we buy from each other’s businesses and I greet them friendly and we complain to each other about our stupid government ruling over us and they have never tried to kill me because of my “freedoms”. My guess is the Iran government is just as corrupt, wicked and immoral as the South-African and American governments. The population of Iran like there south-African counterparts at least know this; Americans on the other hand (excluding these Ron Paul supporters) must suffer from some inexplicable delusion.

    • golden_ruler

      this inexplicable delusion is the MSM perspective they've been eating up for years and years… time to read some books

      • saywhaaa

        Democracy cannot exist without an educated populous.

        Our population is damn near retarded.

        Which explains why we are loosing the rights that protect our democracy.

        • Gavin

          So well said, as an outsider looking in at America, I feel like the only thing to do is to laugh at what seams too have become a complete mad house, you really couldn't write it if you tried.
          But then I remember how much people are getting messed with and that somber's the mood a little, kinda reminds me of the material I have read on Germany in the thirty's and forty's!

    • Rifleman

      Yea, and I'm the Easter Bunny.

    • curmudgeon

      dude. go to any left wing site and you will find no shortage of american citizens who hate our country, and will do anything to destroy it.

  • Reapingwhatwesow

    So we are at war against Islam? Even if that was the case (which it is wholly not), we still wouldn’t be able to afford that war on top pf everything else going on. The Golden Rule type of foreign policy is fiscally, morally, and globally responsible. This isn’t a “turn the other cheek” policy. We will still be pro-active in our national defense. It helps solve our money problems because military intervention will cease to be the first course of action, reducing the need for so many bases around the world. We would be able to live up to Obama’s promise of open dialogue to Muslim countries and establish goodwill for an era that doesn’t need violence to solve every problem the world is facing. That will then open up profitable trade agreements. Through trade, our culture and example will permeate other countries, leading by example, not leading with a whip.

    I have no illusions that that will not go as smoothly and might not even bear out anyway like that but they are good and honorable goals we should strive for. But killing people simply for what they believe? We would be no better than were.

    In the end, Israel needs to and is excessively capable of taking care of itself. They don’t want our help! Why should we force ourselves on them? We have our own problems to worry about.

    • curmudgeon

      we may not be at war with islam, but islam certainly is at war with us, and has been since the 1700s. the shame is that we arent courageous enough to kill them all, before they kill us.

      • Gavin

        You would been right at home in Germany during the the thirties and forties.

    • Dave Thompson

      Dar al-Islam has been at war with Dar al-Harb since Mohammed started Islam in the 7th century.

  • Jake R

    Paul is right on Iran. We don’t need another right wing loony in the oval office praying for war. Forget the zionists let them go to war. Levine has no real credibility.

  • PeterS

    "They want to kill us because our nation is governed on the basis of principles derived from Judeo-Christian beliefs including the true Golden Rule."
    So the Moslems attack us because we believe in the Golden rule, thats why we won't use the golden rule on them. What is wrong with this logic? I guess we don't believe in the golden rule and therefore are safe from its Islamic blowback.

  • thomas

    The Golden Rule is sensible. While I do agree with some of what you say, that being that Islam is against America and non Islamic countries, that does not give you the excuse to dismiss Ron Paul and thus the Golden Rule, which is common sense.

    The threat from the middle east, I believe always existed. The foreign policy has just painted a big target on the USA. And it has resulted in TSA and other bad stuff.

    We need something that results in us converting all the middle east to christianity and American ideals, since apparently, it is Islam that makes them target us?

    • Susiejoe

      If we stopped bombing all those Arabs and acted like rational adults, peace could possibly occur in the middle east for all, even Israel. But who would then be the buggy man for those politicians to save us from?

  • mgginva

    Is it just me or is this article just complete drivel? You can pull any passage out of the bible and make it mean what you want. But what you can't do is overlook that it's always the "christians" that act nothing like Jesus would. The golden rule does apply regardless of what the dolt that wrote this trash says.

  • JD

    Ron Paul has been endorsed by former head of the CIA’s “Bin Laden Unit” Michael Scheuer, reports Revolution PAC. In his endorsement, Scheuer backs Paul’s longstanding non-interventionist foreign policy views and warns of bankruptcy and increased hostility toward Americans both at home and abroad should current bipartisan foreign adventurism continue.

    Too bad the news doesn’t report on this.

  • Eve

    This "journalist" reminds me of the Jews who chose to spare Barabas over Christ.
    Sad, really…

  • Alexander Gofen

    OK, Paulbots: You are all hard core Americans, and you care neither about Israel nor about "brown people" i.e. moslems OVER THERE.

    Or rather you do care about moslems over there because you are so sympathetic to their grievances. Fine.

    But how about moslems already OVER HERE and coming?! And coming in huge numbers because your dear leader Ron Dhimmy Paul sees no problems in coming more moslems. Ron Dhimmy Paul is sure that America is "such a secular nation", you know, that it is OK for America to become islamic nation. Why not? After all the 1st Amendment (in the opinion of the great constitutionalist Paul) envisaged just that: islamic America. There are over billions those nice moslems in the world. Will it not be so great if they peacefully swallow America for the sake of the Golden Rule?..

    So heigh Paulbots! Are you ready to rebuilt your toilet sits away from mecca?! Else you know (allah forbid) you can inadvertently happen to do your business in a wrong direction!…

    Just for the record. I do not push any of the other "front runners": the front runners from the truth. They all stink to the high heaven. However your dear leader has a very distinctive stink of an islamic apologist and enabler.

    • Billy

      Whoa, are you suggesting an abolishment of the 1st Amendment because you think it will lead to an Islamic America?

      Well paint me pink and call me a donkey. I think he’s got something there!

    • JD

      What you wrote is so unintelligent, you should actually write for this website. I’m amazed that with the amount of ways to get information, people still do nothing but parrot headlines without any actual thinking.

    • Alexander Gofen

      No Billy, the 1st Amend. is fine. In fact it only says that Federation cannot make laws on religion, but the States can. And "religion" means only brands of Christianity indeed (with reverence to Judaism). No Western nation in the world had been other than Christian (before 1950s).

    • golden_ruler

      America won't be swallowed by anybody if we simply uphold the constitution

      • Alexander Gofen

        How does Ron Paul uphold the Constitution?

        Ron Paul ignores the most egregious violation of the US Constitution ever: a not US natural born impostor, identity thief and fraud Obama/Soetoro in the White House.

        Ron Dhimmy Paul believes that as though America may well be an islamic nation – in his twisted understanding of the Constitution.

        America may be easily swallowed by any billion strong foreign religious group if America allows free immigration of foreign religious groups, like we did since 1960s thanks to T. Kennedy's bill.

  • Billy

    Wow, another Harvard Educated uneducated.

    It seems very weird to me that a site and author professing to fight for freedom would suggest we continue or policy of wage-slavery by getting stuck in endless expensive wars for no reason.

    It is so absurd, in fact, that is seems either the author is delusional, or a lying worm who does not even believe what he writes and is trying to secure a job with Monsanto, or conducting a CIA disinformation project. Not to get too out there.

  • BS77

    Boy, mention Ron Paul, or critique him, and the nuts come out of the woodwork.

    • UCSPanther

      Makes for great trolling though.

      They get real testy when you make fun of their Eternal leader.

  • SaveThisCountry

    Joseph Klein is a fool. Not only does he take Quranic passages out of context, but spreads lies to make it look like all Muslims are enemies. If over 1 billion people wanted to kill non-Muslims, they would have done it by now. Why is that Indonesia and other East Asian Muslim countries are not at war with the USA? If it was simply because they were Muslim, they would be attacking us. But they aren't attacking us, because the USA isn't getting their noses in their business. This article is the same fear mongering that the Nazis would have used to attack the Jews. Ron Paul is our only hope and he has the best foreign policy of all the candidates.

    • Alexander Gofen

      They aren't attacking us as states because they cannot do it yet just by their numbers. However thanks to islamic enablers like Ron Dhimmy Paul their chances would increase. And thanks to the oil trade their wealth and the ways to use it against use increase too.

      • commonknowledge

        Alexander, I clicked on your link…. are you some kind of UBERtroll? this is incredible!! "Common knowledge and common sense only" LOLLLLLLLL

    • curmudgeon

      ok. muslims are not our enemies. so tell us. what would they be doing differently if they were our enemies?

  • Brendan

    "They want to kill us because our nation is governed on the basis of principles derived from Judeo-Christian beliefs including the true Golden Rule." So, according to you, this country is governed on the basis of the true golden rule. So, if we are governed by it, shouldn't we be governed by it in our foreign policy, as well is in our domestic policy. At least be consistent, please.

  • John

    Talmud: Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: 'Tob shebe goyyim harog' ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed").

    According to you this justifies another useless illegal US war against Israel, an enemy who "hates us for who we are."

    When would you like this new war to begin? Is there money in the budget? Who cares. Let's go!

  • Captain America

    Welp, I think it is becoming obviously apparent that religious based thinking is a throwback from a more barbaric age, and that education is the only solution. Most of the old testament if not all was written by people operating under a different mode of consciousness than we know of today. The “New Testament” was contrived by men operating in the same mode of consciousness that we know of today, and this was largely wholesale dishonesty written primarily for divisive purposes. The Quran was written much later by someone diagnosed with a form of epilepsy as I recall, also for the division of people and the consolidation of power. The mormon book was written by a convicted con artist. Do you all see a pattern here? If so, stay with the Captain.

    I suggest two things: Read the book of Amos, then the book of Ecclesiastes. Oddly, there is no word “I”, or “me” in Amos. These two critical words appear abundantly in Ecclesiastes. Anybody getting this? What word was used in place of “I”? Imagine how language began. Understand these two little words are responsible for that voice theatre in our heads. Understand without these words introspection is not possible. Words appeared automatically as if coming from the sky before our current mode of consciousness configured itself. The old testament while being the most honest was written by those likened to modern day schizophrenics in a way.

    Dishonesty is only made possible by conscious man.

    Does the world seem a bit schizo to anybody? How about that debate the other night? This is because the greatest discovery of modern day times has yet to be commercialized. This does not negate the existence of a creator nor prove one. No one knows those answers, and that’s the only honest answer. To anybody interested punch the words “Julian Jaynes” into your search engines. Thank me later.

    Without this understanding we will never shed irrational behavior on planet Earth, nor obtain enumerated unadulterated liberty.

    In the meantime, vote for Ron Paul in 2012. You simply can’t afford not to. I mean that literally. Good day.

    Captain out…


  • John

    Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).

    Another extremist hater. This means another endless war is needed. Your logic says this must begin immediately. Why the delay?

  • John

    In Berakoth 58a the Talmud uses Ezekiel 23:20 as proof of the sub-human status of gentiles. It also teaches that anyone (even a Jewish man) who reveals this Talmudic teaching about non-Jews deserves death, since revealing it makes Gentiles wrathful and causes the repression of Judaism.

    More proof for you that another group "hates us for what we are." Isn't this enough proof for you to launch another war? According to your logic it does.

    Why do you delay? Get them hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars and get this baby started!

  • John

    Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press, June 9, 1989, p. 56B).

    How much more proof do you need? Your logic states that such attitudes deserve a full war response. Looking forward to your leadership on this. You the man! J

    Just get the money from the US taxpayer and this new war started asap!

    • UCSPanther

      You need to lay off the Protocols. They are not very healthy for you.

    • Joseph Klein

      So you are saying it was 19 Jews from Israel who flew those planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon? Are you that far detached from reality?

      Every religion has its fanatics, but only Islam's doctrines have inspired the level of terrorism committed by jihadists not only against the West but against Christians and even Muslims deemed insufficiently devout in Africa, Asia and the Middle East.

      • John

        No. It was 19 Saudi Arabians. A logical response would be to launch a war against Saudi Arabia. Now why didn't that happen? Lots of Al Queada there – mostly because of the giant US military base smack dab in their holy land.

        But the US did respond after 911 – they withdrew their base from Saudi Arabia. The 911 attack worked it seems.

        "So you are saying it was 19 Jews from Israel who flew those planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon?" – No. No and No. No again. No. Really: no, no. no.

        And that is an insurmountable stretching of logic. You draw an illogical conclusion from an undisputed fact. Just stick with the undisputed fact: There are fanatics in every religion – including the Jewish religion. Many of these fanatics advocate the extermination of all others that do not belong to their religion.

        Many Christian evangelicals would love to see a nuclear holocaust in the Middle East that they believe will bring the second coming of Christ. That is why they support Israel – not because they love that country for "who they are and what they believe."

        But do you adhere to these beliefs taught by the Talmud? If not, please publicly condemn these teachings. Perhaps a war against Israel by the US is required to force the whole country to change its beliefs. Will you be leading this one? Just get the billions of US taxpayer dollars to start it. I'm sure they will all be on your side for this new illegal, unjust and immoral war.

        – TALMUD: Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

        – TALMUD: Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

        – TALMUD: Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty.

        – TALMUD: Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

        • UCSPanther

          Did you take any time to ACTUALLY read a real copy of the Talmud, or are you just copying from other sources?

  • Pareto1

    I've read the Koran from cover to cover. It was required reading in my English Lit class back in college. None of that crap written and/or referenced by Klein is in the Koran. Not even close. In fact, the Koran (at least my edition) leaves the reader with totally the opposite impression. It teaches, in the most beautiful way, how to live your life. Like, I don't understand how, what I read, can even remotely be translated into something that Klein demonstrates as an evil cultist like subversion. No way. Thats impossible.

    • Joseph Klein

      It looks like you just read the covers and nothing in between.

      • John

        Oh Joseph, if you were really interested in the truth here – and not in promoting your jihadist war against the arabs agenda – you would quote directly from the Koran – verse, page and exact reference. Any scholar worth their salt would do that when challenged on the facts.

        But of course, you cannot do that if the evidence is not there.

      • soserious

        Are you sure you aren't quoting a hadith and not the Quran? Remember Hadith's are sayings attributed to Mohammad but not necessarily verified. The Quran is what he actually wrote. Check it out. Journalistic integrity, its a good thing.

  • thomas

    Does anyone have a up-to-date list of the candidates endorsements?

  • Talal

    so sad that freedom of speech does not extend to making your writers look like rank amateurs.

  • thomas

    Can you get a original version and read it as intended, in its original language? Something with this much controversy ought to be really looked into.

  • NeoconsAreNuts

    “The Muslims want to kill us! The Muslims want to kill us! The Muslims are setting up Sharia Law in the USA!!”

    This is the supposedly “serious and intelligent” opinion we hear from neocons. While neocons have the nerve to call Ron Paul “kooky”. Meanwhile the Constitution is being dismantled here at home by the very same neocons. See the Patriot Act and the recent NDAA.

    By invading the middle east we are giving muslims a reason to become radicalized and violent towards the US. If we lead by example as Ron Paul urges then there would be no support for these radical fundamentalists in the Middle East because most Middle Easterners want to become modernized and westernized. It is US foreign policy that has removed so many democratic and moderate leaders in the middle east and replaced them with fundamentalist regimes. That is the very story with Iran.

    Is the neocon solution to go out and preemptively kill every muslim in the world and eradicate islam? Gee, that sounds like a plan. Y’know, a lot of people see the fundamentalist Christians in the US who believe in the rapture and the end times as being pretty loopy and dangerous too but we don’t arrest them!

    • Ennis

      "most Middle Easterners want to become modernized and westernized."

      Lets look at the facts shall we? A series of surveys in 2007 in some muslim countries.

      29 percent of Egyptians say Israel carried out 9/11.
      79 percent in Pakistan agree "strongly" or "somewhat" that there should be strict sharia in all Muslim countries.
      76 percent in Morocco agree "strongly" or "somewhat" that there should be strict sharia in all Muslim countries.
      74 percent in Egypt agree "strongly" or "somewhat" that there should be strict sharia in all Muslim countries.

      42 percent of Nigerians support suicide bombing of civilians.
      34 percent of Lebanese support suicide bombing of civilians.
      23 percent of Jordanians support suicide bombing of civilians.
      20 percent in Bangladesh support suicide bombing of civilians.

      57 percent of Palestinians supported Bin Laden.
      41 percent of Indonesians supported Bin Laden.
      38 percent of Pakistanis supported Bin Laden.

      Heres some stats from 2009

      76 percent of Pakistanis want strict sharia in every Islamic country.
      76 percent of Moroccans want strict sharia in every Islamic country.
      90 percent of Palestinians support killing American troops in Iraq. And yet America is giving the Palestinians $1 billion in aid!
      83 percent of Egyptians support killing American troops in Iraq. And yet America gives Egypt $2 billion in aid every year!
      68 percent of Moroccans support killing American troops in Iraq.
      40 percent in Turkey support killing American troops in Iraq. And yet America is pushing for its "ally" Turkey to be let into the EU.
      83 percent of Egyptians support killing American troops in Afghanistan.
      61 percent of Moroccans support killing American troops in Afghanistan.
      78 percent of Palestinians had "positive" or "mixed" feelings towards Bin Laden.
      69 percent of Egyptians had "positive" or "mixed" feelings towards Bin Laden.
      53 percent of Moroccans had "positive" or "mixed" feelings towards Bin Laden.
      51 percent of Pakistanis had "positive" or "mixed" feelings towards Bin Laden.

      68 percent of Palestinian Muslims said suicide bombings of civilians were justifiable.
      51 percent of Shiite Lebanese Muslims said suicide bombings of civilians were justifiable.
      43 percent of Nigerian Muslims said suicide bombings of civilians were justifiable.
      38 percent of all Lebanese Muslims said suicide bombings of civilians were justifiable.
      54 percent of Nigerian Muslims expressed confidence in bin Laden to do the right thing.
      52 percent of Palestinian Muslims expressed confidence in bin Laden to do the right thing.
      28 percent of Jordanian Muslims expressed confidence in bin Laden to do the right thing.


      61 percent of Palestinians support Hezbollah.
      51 percent of Jordanians support Hezbollah.
      56 percent of Jordanians support Hamas.
      52 percent of Egyptians support Hamas.
      54 percent of Nigerians supported Bin Laden.
      51 percent of Palestinians supported Bin Laden.
      45 percent of Palestinians supportAhmadinejad.
      43 percent of Indonesians support Ahmadinejad.

      86 percent of Jordanians support death for anyone who leaves Islam.
      84 percent of Egyptians support death for anyone who leaves Islam.
      76 percent of Pakistanis support death for anyone who leaves Islam.
      82 percent of Egyptians support stoning for adultery.
      82 percent of Pakistanis support stoning for adultery.
      70 percent of Jordanians support stoning for adultery.
      49 percent of Nigerian Muslims approve of Al Qaeda.
      34 percent of Jordanians approve of Al Qaeda.

  • biblestories

    The author conveniently leaves out all the parts in the bible’s Old Testament where it calls upon believers to kill non-believers, stone women for adultery, kill children who misbehave, etc

    Islam is a religion based on Judeo-Christianity. Guess where all their violent stuff comes from?

  • Talal

    How can you possibly be a Harvard lawyer and spew up this utter retardation?

    "Here is a sample:
    • “Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them.” (Koran, 2:191)"

    Here is how i demolish your petty, useless non-context drivel you claim is an article.

    "[2.190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors. "

    now, here is the REAL verse.

    [2:191] You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers.

    notice? it's when someone attacks you, you have a right to defend yourself. please, stop writing garbage. i have a brick smarter then you if you need it for future help. how much are you paid to prostitute yourself to the zionist lobby?

  • UCSPanther

    No criticism of Ron Paul is permitted! Those that do will be shipped off to the gulag and be condemned to have three generations locked up.

    • Ben

      No, that's clearly taking things too far, Panther!

  • bja

    "True courage is not the brutal force of vulgar heroes, but the firm resolve of virtue and reason." -Alfred North Whitehead.

    Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate of true courage.

  • John Smith

    Too bad Ron Paul is right.

  • UCSpantless

    To: UCSpanther, are you male, age 25 and living in Canada? Why do you care so much about American Politics? Canadians always seem to be living in the US’s shadow… Why is that? Is it because you never earned your independence?

  • Michael

    Matthew 27:15-23

    15Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would.

    16And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.

    17Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?

    18For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.

    19When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

    20But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

    21The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.

    22Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

    23And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

    • akaGaGa

      As I listened to the audience at the debate, Michael, all I kept hearing in my head was "Crucify him! Crucify him!" Another eye-opening experience.

  • Dan

    You obviously don't have a clear view of the Golden Rule.

    "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

    NOT -"do to other what they would do to you". This is actually the satanic version found in the satanic bible. This is also the kind of rule you are endorsing when you point out what other would do or would like to do to us, and then you say "see they would kill us, so let's kill them first". That is very satanic and not Christian at all.

    Read the gospel dude.

  • Omar

    I agree with Joseph Klein. I spent the firsty ten years of my life as a muslim. The Qur'an contains many passages which are antithetical to peace and freedom, e.g. the spoils of war belong to God and his Messenger, that Christians and Jews are your enemies, that his uncle Lahab must burn and his wife must be hung by a sharp wire.
    We must stop the march of Islamic jihadists!!!
    Whilst we are at it, I have also read the books of Joshua and Samuel. Joshua was directed by Yahweh to conquer the lands of Canaan and to kill every man, women, child, livestock and to make sure that nothing lived. Samuel the prophet directed Saul to conquer several cities and to kill every man, woman, child and livestock. Yahweh was upset with Saul once he spared a king so Yahweh disowned him (Samuel then killed the king).
    So… whilst we are killing the Jihadists. Make sure we get those damn Israelites too. We must prevent the genocidal invasions from ever happening again. I stress we MUST take pre-emptive action!!!

  • Jaed Deaj

    Ron Paul's 'Golden Rule' is absurd?

    Ok, try this then. Go to your neighbor's house, tell them what to do, how to do it, etc. and if they disagree, shoot them. How well do you think THAT would go?

    Why do you think it works differently for countries?

  • Ananthapadmanabhan

    "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them – bring them here and kill them in front of me" Luke 19:27
    Yeah and christianity spread love! Come on you can take any holy book and twist behind their own back. Also Jesus is not only god of christianity but also believed as one of islam's messenger.

  • Jehova

    what is wrong with the other 6 billion people on this planet that they don't just roll over for us Americans because we are the real chosen people? It is so selfish of them to think that the natural resources under their feet shouldn't be dug up out of the ground and delivered to us Americans because we are so superior. How rude of them!

    How stupid of this author.

  • Rick

    Well SC was the proof that fearmongering still works, and will always work. I honestly wish there was a part of the country ron paul supporters could go to whenever anywone but him gets elected, so that when wars continue, we can put up a big fence with a sign "DON'T BOMB HERE, WE VOTED PAUL"

    • Sandee

      Quite an ambitious plan, but wouldn't it be great if we could accomplish that!?!

  • Informme

    Collective punishment is a war crime. Those who advocate crippling economic sanctions against nations cannot be unaware that these measures are intended to cripple the populace in order to turn their opinion against their governments. That's a rather disgusting policy if you ask me. The author of this junk article has no understanding of Muslims. I imagine he lives in an all-white, all-Christian community and has never even been to a non-English-speaking country. While I cannot refute his quotes from the Quran (I'm not Muslim), I can refute his argument on two counts.

    First, you need only look at other religious texts and see what they say about tolerance. Leviticus anyone? You then need only look at those who define themselves as Christian to find them largely unaware of "their own" book's racist, genocidal and dark age preachings. In fact, they're probably very decent people, and if made aware of these instructions, they'd dismiss them somehow.

    Secondly, I have lived in three different Muslim countries over the past 7 years (one of them was Indonesia – the largest Muslim country in the world). Again, while the Quran quotations may be word-for-word (I wouldn't know), it is laughable to me that a very very very white guy like myself could imagine my Muslim neighbours (that surround my house as I type this) would suddenly turn on me in spite of all the friendliness they have shown me these last few years. Just like the majority of Christians in your country, the majority of Muslims here have an ability to reason right and wrong despite what their books might say. I'm sorry, but I really don't see any difference between Al Qa'ida and those who would indiscriminately target every Muslim person. Both wish to collectively punish anyone with a different way of life irrespective of individuals. The fact is there are good people and ass holes everywhere.

  • Nakba1948

    Surprise surprise, another Zionist hit job against Dr. Paul from the loons at FPM. You Israel-firsters are getting pretty desperate, aren't you? Anyone who doesn't bend over and kiss Bibi's rear isn't a worthy puppet for you people, huh? What a disgraceful, treasonous lot you are. You are the primary reason why anti-Semitism still exists in the world, and you owe all the Jews of upstanding character (i.e., anti-Zionist) in the world a giant debt for the trouble you've caused them. Indeed, Jews would be a lot better off in the long run if Israel were erased from the pages of time.

  • Right

    The Koran is the Koran. It has been since it was written.

    It was not turned on America until America deposed Iran's freely elected ruler as a "commie" for one who would allow British Petroleum to continue looting the countries' oil. The American friendly dictator led a regime so bloody that the Ayatolla Khomeni seemed friendly in comparison. So now, due to American action ,there is a ruler and a state in Iran that is VIOLENTLY anti-America. (Technically, Anti-Invader/anti-natural resource rapists). So then America needs a new ally in the region to fight against communism. So America befriends and unleashes Osama bin Laden on the "commies". They also empower a, to quote CIA documents, "Presentable young man." named Saddam Hussein to take over Iraq to present a strong front against the "commies". Saddam wages war on Iran and pisses everyone off…they attack him…he starts losing the war. So America (Donald Rumsfeld) comes in and arms Saddam to beat Iran. America was his friend until he attacked Kuait. America was alarmed because they feared he would invade Saudi Arabia. Which then prompted America to station troops in Saudi Arabia.
    Osama bin Laden has declared that he resented the government of Saudi Arabia for relying on Americans to defend it. America gets scared they might lose their position due to Osama's influence…so America demonizes Osama to prepare America for his removal.

    Everything above is fact…backed by CIA after action reports and testimony. If you were one of those countries you would be pissed too. America created this quicksand and now it's sinking in it.

    • Ennis

      "It was not turned on America until America deposed Iran's freely elected ruler" First off he wasn't freely elected has appointed by parliament.when he illegally nationalized Iran’s oil industry in 1953 he dissolved the Parliament to prevent them from passing a no-confidence resolution that would have ended his prime ministership and led to a general election in which his party was almost certain to lose.

      The Iranian constitution was modeled on the English: The King (in this case the Shah) in Parliament. That is, the King convenes the Parliament, appoints the Prime Minister submitted to him by the majority of the Parliament and calls new elections when there is no confidence in Parliamentary leadership.

      When Mossadegh unconstitutionally dissolved Parliament and assumed dictatorial status, imprisoning the Shah in his palace and carrying on negotiations with Khruschev to align Iran with the Soviet bloc, the Shah appealed to the international community and Iran’s chief allies, the UK and the USA.

      The US and UK intelligence agencies assisted the Shah in overthrowing the dictator and arresting him.”

      "So America befriends and unleashes Osama bin Laden on the "commies"."

      The United states NEVER befriended Bin Laden. They never had any dealings with him or any contact with him. The CIA trained absolutely NO-ONE in Afghanistan or neighboring Pakistan. Nor did they fund them(not directly anyway). The entire CIA effort in Afghanistan was more logistical than operational.

      What the CIA did was buy weapons, ammunition, and supplies, in vast quantities. The Pakistani intelligence agency, the ISI, distributed the weapons and supplies once the Americans delivered them. This was a fundamental rule of Pakistani policy according to Brigadier Mohammed Yousaf, who ran the ISI operation in Afghanistan between 1983 and 1989: No American was to come into contact with the mujahedeen.

      What training was provided by none other than Pakistan. This sort of thing wasn't anything new to them. They had been supporting terrorism, mainly in the Kashmir region of India, since the 1970’s. The Pakistani’s directed the bulk of American-financed support to the Afghan groups that were the most extremist, the most Islamist, the most violent. These groups were reported by the Pakistani’s to also be the most effective, although those claims are questionable. The group, which received the highest percentage of aid, as well as the most support from Arab sources, was the Hizb party, which was headed by a Muslim fanatic named Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who was a Pakistani agent from long before the jihad began.
      There were more moderate Afghan commanders available, but they were not trusted so much by Pakistan, and therefore weren’t seen as reliable by the Americans. The biggest mistake the U.S. probably made in the Afghan operation was in not taking greater account of who the Pakistani’s were paying with American tax dollars. However, the ISI was seen as being more familiar with the situation “on the ground” and was allowed to run the show. If the CIA had taken a stronger hand in determining the allocation of support, it was likely that the ISI would have stopped funneling any support to the Afghans.

      "So America (Donald Rumsfeld) comes in and arms Saddam to beat Iran."

      Just so you know something, Saddam Hussein’s weapons mostly came from countries that would later go on to oppose the later Iraq war. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, 57% came from Russia, 13% from France and 12% from China. Out of all the countries that backed Saddam only 1% of that aid came from united States The main opponents of the Iraq war supplied over 80 times as many weapons as the main advocates of the war. How come the Iranian didn't overrun their embassies?

  • Sam

    Front Page is getting scared- and so it should.

    Paul, win or lose, America gets educated all the same.

    Little by little, the invention of the Muslim threat is gaining exposure and America's disastrous foreign policy is replacing it.

  • Troy

    I thought this was an Onion piece, it was so stupid.

  • chadananda

    Thank you, this article helped me understand the character of those that oppose Ron Paul. If not being a bigot makes me a "cultist" then I'm OK with that.

    Seriously why are RP followers so demonized? It's the opponents who rant like wild evil warmongers. This article was over the top with dishonest crazy racist hate speech. RP supporters may be guilty of enthusiasm but thank God they are not promoting Mulsim genocide and calling the golden rule "absurd".

    • Ennis

      "Seriously why are RP followers so demonized?"

      Probably because they mostly seem to be made up of 9/11, neo-nazis and the john Birch Society.

      "This article was over the top with dishonest crazy racist hate speech."

      What about Ron Paul crazy racist newsletters?

  • chadananda

    I really don't get it. I see a lot of negative comments about RP supporters referring to them as cultish or fascist. Yet most of the RP supporter comments are moderate and sensible, laying out logical and reasonable points. Where's the crazy I'm supposed to be seeing?

    • Ennis

      "Yet most of the RP supporter comments are moderate and sensible, laying out logical and reasonable points."

      What you mean the comments saying its America's fault that Islamists have such a lust for blood?

      • Kan-Wil-Sal

        Have you considered that somewhere in Iran some deranged government lover is making the exact same stupid argument you are? See, America wants to attack us there is no end to their blood lust. The difference is you plan to attack them there which it pains me to say would make them the good guys. In WW2 many small nations looked up to you Americans since you have been trampling the one small backward country after the other, one day you should not act surprised when you meet someone your own size and a thousand small backward nations rise. Rome once fell all empires fall and I am sure they thought they were exceptional to.

        • Ennis

          First off I'm not American, I'm Irish. That right I'm one of these pro-American foreigners.
          And what do you call "trampling" Kan? Was saving a million ethnic Albanians trampling, was removing a genocidal Saddam Hussein from Kuwait(who himself was trampling over smaller said country) trampling? Or what about Kim Il-sung when he trampled all over South Korea. Would South Korea be better of now if the United States hadn't "trample" all over it?

  • JD Jackson

    Joseph Klein, you're mistaken; the Golden Rule is not "Ron Paul's." The Golden Rule was created by Jesus, so if you think it's absurd maybe you should take it up with him.

  • koda

    Hey Joseph the internet hates your face. If you like war so much why don’t you join our military and go kill some random brown people yourself. You could also become an American citizen. So mister Canadian telling Americans to go kill brown people across the world because you are scared of Muslims attack us even though you don’t live here and you won’t be attacked, go join the military or your argument isn’t valid, and your being a douche

  • Joe Clyne

    Mr. Klein. You are taking the Koran out of context. Most Muslims are respectable people and they do not share the hatred views of the the radical fringe (I am a Catholic, by the way).
    This fringe is not going to go away overnight, but to continue our belligerent assault on the middle east will simply make us less safe and embolden them even more.
    Ron Paul is not naive. But he is also not foolish to think that demonizing a group will make us safer.
    His policy of treating others as we like to be treated is something we all should practice and project around the world. How can that not be a sane policy?

    Grow up Mr. Klein. And behave civilly.

  • ThePongster

    The author of this hit piece should actually read the Koran. Many times people use "snippets" of the Koran to mold anti-Islam sentiment. My suggestion, at least go to… and do a little light reading before slamming a religion you truly no nothing about.

  • Kristy

    Ron Paul is a constitutionbot.

    RP 2012

  • luoguanxi

    You lost me at that nebulous blob called "our Islamist enemies"…

  • Rifleman

    "I'm a paulbot and I'm okay, I post all night and I post all day…."

  • nhusmc

    Ignorance is no blessing, Mr. Klein.

    But why take Bin Laden's own word? After all that fatwa was obviously just a clever subterfuge to hide his true motivations, because his ilk have always been shy about making their religious views known.

    • Joseph Klein

      Did you actually read what you linked to? Especially the line – "These youths love death as you loves life"?

  • montlasky

    We should all know by now that all Muslims are Jihadists bent on destroying the infidels of this world.
    Perhaps if we get lucky, the first nuclear device launched by Iran will have a poor guidance system and end up destroying ther Iranians themselves!

  • Flipside

    Joseph Kleim is such a bad man that he believes even the Golden Rule is an object that belongs to the Jews, and is something to not only use for evil but to prevent other people from having. Really, Joseph? The Golden Rule is Jews’ intellectual property? You are wicked.

  • Tom

    This is nothing more than trolling at the best, Ron Paul Revolution!

  • Kara

    As I don’t believe the author is completely dumb, I can only explain the many outright lies in his article with intentional malice. Did you know that the first country that ever acknowledged the United States as a sovereign nation was a Muslim country? Namely the Kingdom of Morocco?

    I can’t speak for Muslims, but I can assure you that I DO hate you for what you are: a warmongering rogue state that treats the whole world as its looting ground, a looting, plundering war machine with no morals, no ethics and no honor, arrogant bastards that abuses their power to bully and rob other nations, treating others like they treated the native population of the continent they conquered. The tenor of the article above is but one example of the American mentality that fills the rest of the world with fear and disgust.

    • DAG

      A vast number of Americans think articles like this are disgusting.

      We have two parties – the left "liberal" party finds this tripe horrendous. The right "conservative" party is not entirely nuts like this author, but you will find these blood-thirsty types in their ranks. It is almost always those of the extreme right-wing fringe.

      As for the existence of these blood-thirsty types in the first place – our problem is our war-machine has a lot of money and corporations behind it, including the biggest news organization in the USA, Fox News. With all this money and power and media influence, the people of this country (most of whom received the poor education our country offers) cannot figure out the difference between facts and rational thought and the influence of those in power. The money train must flow for the army and its contractors, and if other nations must be made targets, they do not care.

      I'm sorry that all I have are excuses – but seriously – the average American is not the terrorist you seem to think we are.

  • Dave

    Joseph Klein has made it very clear that the "war on Islam" is the greatest war of our generation. This is a war of epic proportions that we in the west must fight tooth and nail for otherwise our entire way of life is going to be destroyed, because obviously we are such a weak society that we will be infected by the Islamic belief system. Because we have too much freedom in the west, Islam will take over. Therefore we need to take away all our freedoms so the Islamists have no way to control us.

    I can infer from this article that Joseph Klein is prepared to lead us in the holy war against Iran. Joseph, please lead us on the front line as you fearlessly enter into battle. Because we've heard enough, you've convinced us that we need to go to a pre-emptive war now. We don't need journalists like you to convince us anymore, your job is done. Now you can lead us to glory!

    Oh, wait, what? You don't actually fight in the wars yourself? But I thought this was the most important battle in our history?

    • Joseph Klein

      Where did I say we should start another war? there is a big difference between starting new wars and pretending the nuclear danger posed by Iran does not exist. ron Paul has opposed all economic sanctions against Iran and was even the only congressman who voted against a resolution standing up for the rights of Iranian citizens. He has also appeared on Iranian state TV. Do your homework before you spout off.

  • szczepan4069

    whats the problem?…..and youre not happy that the US have taken out one of their own???….after all Bin Laden was funded by you guys to begin with………..he just didnt want to play youre games after a while…..

    • Ennis

      No he wasn't I refuted this point already.

  • Idontknow45

    After watching the debate, I actually ended up changing my opinion. I think Ron Paul presented a good point. We are going after a specific group of extremists, not the entire population of people who practice Islam. There is no reason to be attacking all of these other countries.. Iraq is proof of the destruction such preemptive measures cause and the only thing it caused was making the international community disengage from us and incite hatred for the destruction we caused. We are not perfect but he is right. Things could have been done a lot better. We are fools to assume we can just do what we want without thinking about the consequences. If there is any truth to what we are doing over there it is that we are creating more enemies than we are getting rid of. He was right in saying that we should have gone to do what we went to do and then come home.

    People evolve by the way, we can quote all the bad pieces of the Koran we want but that doesn't mean the majority of people practice them. The bible is a good example of this.

    "So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go." (Judges 19:25)

    "Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock!" (Psalm 137:9)

    "This is what the Lord Almighty says… 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" (1 Samuel 15:3)

    "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." (1 Timothy 2:12)

    "Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you." (Genesis 22:2)

    I mean, Com'on!

    Were we not a country who had once enslaved a group of people based on their race? Our country doesn't have an innocent past either. We have evolved over time from these religious texts as have others. We have extremists of our religious texts as do others. Breaking down these barriers between us are what is needed, not war. The human race will never progress if we don't address and respect each others differences. We have been working on it between whites and minorities here with diplomacy over time, I'm sure we are capable of it elsewhere.

    • Joseph Klein

      Your name says it all. Have you ever heard of something called the Ten Commandments? And how did that story about the sacrifice of Isaac end? There was no sacrifice.
      "And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me." (Genesis, 22:12)

  • tcc

    The attraction of Ron Paul is liberty. Something only an American can appreciate.

    • Ennis

      His opposition to the 1964 civil rights act is kinda contradictory wouldn't you say?

  • Brad

    Its a sad day when people boo the Golden Rule. The problem with Ron Paul is that he is a know it all and does not understand that everybody on stage and in the audience knows nothing about the Constitution. You might have heard him mention how he introduced a "Letter Of Marque And Reprisal" in the debate. Unfortunately, nobody knows that in the Constitution it allows Congress to hire privateers to do the dirty work for Congress. Ron Paul introduced this act in 2001. Read this and ask yourself if Ron Paul sounds weak or delusional.… Then Google "Letter Of Marquee." That's your lesson for the day. Don't hate him because he knows the rules. This would have saved us 11 years of wars, trillions of dollars, the rest of the world would not hate us, and hundreds of thousands of lives lost (US, Afghan, Iraq).

  • Ryan

    Joseph, you have so utterly discredited yourself.

    When Ron Paul mentioned the Golden Rule, the crowd booed him.

    It is sick to see this kind of bloodlust and war mongering constantly perpetuated.

    Exactly what part of "killing people is bad" is so difficult to understand?

    "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." — Hermann Goering

    "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." – Jiddu Krishnamurti

    It's always funny how those that scream for blood are always poo-pooing on Ron Paul.

    That alone is reason enough to vote for or support him.

    • Ennis

      Ron paul doesn't support killing people through war, Ron Paul supports killing people by neglecting their needs.

  • Edward

    If this were true, then any country whose primary religion is not Islam would be in danger. I don't see most world leaders freaking out about Muslims.

    • Edward

      Most world leaders practice the Golden Rule…they don't mess with Muslims, Muslims don't mess with them. They got enough problems in their countries…no need to make a big deal about the Middle East.

      • Ennis

        "they don't mess with Muslims, Muslims don't mess with them." Try telling that to the Jews

  • bytejockey

    If the Muslims were so hostile to us 200 years ago, why weren’t they attacking us then?

  • GeorgeHew

    OK, I'm not a fan of Islam, but blowing people up is certainly not the best way to fight them.

    The quotes in this article remind the of the old testament / Talmud that the Jews tend to refer to. Great area, the Middle East.

    Here is how many are starting to see this: The Jews make up something like two-tenths of 1% of our military. Israel lasted briefly each time they took that land, there is a track-record of this being a temporary thing. There is no reason to spill more blood worrying about Israel if the Jewish people here in the US don't even care enough to go over there and fight for it. If it is going to last, it will have to learn to fend for itself. Israel seems capable in a way, other than it's leaders knowledge of foreign policy – which seems to always be its downfall. History does show us that it is unlikely for this experiment to last for long. What is the definition of insanity?

    Ron Paul is correct, and absolutely has the best foreign policy, and the teachings of Jesus do seem to be the best thing that came out of the Middle East. I'm like a lot of the Jewish people I know, but this war Israel is waging against Paul has made me much less impressed with Israel.

  • Jon

    Anyone that thinks we should be the policmen of the world, and these wars are no big dea… your closest Army, Navy, Marine or Air Force recruiting office and sign your chicken-hawk, neocon, coward asses up to fight.

  • Aaron Greenhill

    Like Christians – most “Muslims” do not know the literal meaning of their scriptures nor do they care. Like most people on this planet, they have a culture and a family – two things they cherish, and they just want to live and be happy.

    I have read the Qur’an (Muslim ‘Bible’). I won’t lie, it does say horrible things. It does say that the “People of the Book” (Christians) should die if they do not submit. Have you ever spoken with a Muslim? Most will swear on their life that the Qur’an doesn’t say that or intend for a person to really do it. Like Christians, Muslims have also found new ways to interpret their scriptures to fit with this modern world.

    So why don’t you take a few steps out of your trailer park and meet people. Not all non-white people are terrorists / criminals.

  • NadePaulKuciGravMcKi

    bloodthirsty AIPAC Neocon war profiteers

  • Billybreathe5

    Careful Joseph. You might insert a typo with all that blood from the hundreds-of-thousands of dead innocent civilians on your hands

  • ClydeSATx

    we have had the NAZI Propaganda as President for long enough .. you can keep on railing about how the Talmud wants to take over the world. you are an ANTISEMTIIC JOURNALIST oh wait you were talking Islam.. the Koran wants to take over the world.. you are an ANTISEMITIC JOURNALIST. Sure there are Radicals in all religions that take Religion way to far.. but to constantly wantt o declare war on everyone is BS Nazi Propaganda.. the Kosher Baker has nothing to do with the Kings Torah .. the Islamic Teacher has nothing to do with AL Qaida .. the Taliban had NOTHING to do with 9/11 so you are just killing a bUnch of Innocent SEMITES with your Retarded nazi Propaganda

  • Joe Mama

    Oh yes. This is a new type of enemy. The old rules don't apply. They have a book that says stuff we don't like. So we must preemptively strike them all. Otherwise we know they will strike us and then it is too late! It's the new defense! Strike first! We're just defending ourselves! Print more money! Let's go!

  • technovelist

    So apparently it's not just "Christians" in South Carolina who are willing to boo their own most important rule, the Golden Rule. I weep for my country that has such brainwashed, hateful people in it.

  • Ben Cohen

    This disgusting turd of an author makes me feel sick about the way he portrays the billion Muslims on the planet, the Koran is written in Arabic so it can be interpreted differently when translating, all religions have that kind of text if it’s being interpreted by a person from an opposite faith.
    You have more to worry going to Detroit than any Muslim country on the planet, fix your own neighborhood before attacking a country based on their religion.
    Joseph Klein you are filth

  • Brett

    Well, look at that. Islam has been at war with the United States for over 200 years and we still stand strong. I think the next 200 years will prove that will still hold true.

    BTW, Jefferson handled the Barbary Pirates exactly how Ron Paul has suggested we handle our present threats.

    Go figure.

    Ultimately, this article concludes that because Islam's principles don't abide by the Golden Rule, we as Christians should abandon it too.

    What a stupid, cowardly position.

  • kurtin michigan

    Say what you want…there were over 100,000 people killed in the Iraq war. We didn't make any friends, only enemies. Any article that refuses to believe that our actions in places like Iraq has negative consequences or creates enemies is ignorant. I don't believe that is disputable.

  • Dwight Johnson

    All those who want to elect Ron Paul as our next president, make a statement. In many cultures, it is customary to place a stone on the grave of the deceased. When you go to vote for Ron Paul, bring a small stone (no bigger than what David used in his slingshot to kill Goliath), and set it down on the ground near the door to the voting place, so those going in and out can see it. Let the stones pile up, a silent witness to the death of tyranny.

  • Daniel

    So hilarious…as if the bible doesn't have this same sort of rhetoric. There are like a thousand passages in the bible that speak of killing those who don't believe in your god. This is standard religious practice.

    Most Muslims do not think this way, as anyone who's not an ignorant bigot would know. There's not some vast conspiracy to form a Muslim caliphate and take over the world. If this were true, why wouldn't they form together and attack lesser countries first? Why the United States first?

    The way to beat fundamental extremism is to ignore it. Using violence to stop it just encourages more of it. You will never defeat violence with violence…it's completely counter-productive. Trade with the middle east and encourage peace if you want to defeat it. Eventually, they will become more and more like us.

  • LongPaulTexan

    The only peace on earth that will come from our present course of action will be after all humans are wiped from the face of the earth….will the reign of humans be far shorter than the dinosaurs?

  • Rynosaur

    War-mongering journalists and leaders are the problem with this world. Attacking countries that don't attack us, may make sense to you, but is the true absurdity! Your war profiteering positions are the ones that lack reason and logic. How about we just bomb every country then? Let's get it over with, and destroy this country, because there is little left about it that is great.

  • Mike

    While having this discussion with a friend, he said this about the "golden rule" and its application….

    "In order for the classification of "self defense" to be legitimate it has to meet the criteria of Ad Jus Bellum. Nothing that has been done since 2001 has met that criteria set down by Christendom of Western civilization. Read Saint Augustine.

    Jus ad bellum. Study it. Learn it. It was the primary reason why the writers of the United States Constitution delegated the authority of Declaring War to the Representatives in Congress. They came form Europe where for centuries monarchs, executive magistrates who became heads too big for the body had flouted the rules of jus ad bellum"

  • fuzzywzhe

    You want to see something absurd?

    This is what Mitt Romney was saying back in 2007. He's the "credible" candidate:

  • alanweberman

    Ron Paul has a lot of loyal followers – so did Hitler.

    • Flipside


  • Rynosaur

    Even more so, this author must think he knows more about foreign policy than experts like Michael Scheuer, Gen. Wesley Clark, Lt. Col. Anthony Schaffer, Christopher Trimble, and Chalmers Johnson, which he doesn't. They all agree with Paul's policies, and have actually spent time in the field overseas. Perhaps this author should stop pretending to know what he's talking about.

  • Sara

    The Golden Rule, like the Constitution, is good in theory it seems, but much to impractical for practice.

    • Flipside

      Are you joking?

      • Sara

        That is the conclusion of this article and the conclusion of many people. Of course, they'd never say this outright. In fact, they often say the opposite, then vote opposite of what they say.

  • Sho

    I think in this country we have forgotten that we have a strong military is so that we don’t have to go to war not to push our way of life around the world. Why is it so crazy to say don’t do to other nations what we don’t want done to us? Why is it so crazy to say we only go to war when it is a legitimate war? Look at the whole Iran issue the top of Israeli intelligence said Iranis not a threat to Israel, the Israeli PM said when he spoke to the congress “we do not need American troops to defend Israel we can defend ourselves”! Yet we are really pushing for this war! Provoking Iran to take the first shot so we can spin it and say they attacked us first and we are just defending ourselves! It has nothing to do with a nuke it has everything to do with a gas pipeline deal that they are putting together that was going to go to Hallibuton (do the research)! Yet no one wants to connect the dots! Wake up already!!! China has already said they will halo Iran if attacked, Russia has navy ships off the coast of Syria ready to go. Are we crazy it would start WWIII!!!! And the only candidate that wants peace gets booed by SC? What a bunch of brainwashed fools. Remember this is the same “intelligence” that said Iraq had WMDs fool me once ok, but not twice!!! Wake up America we will not have a chance like this again for Ron Paul to start change!!!

  • WhoKilled999

    • a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing: a cult of personality surrounding the leaders.

    • Sara

      Sort of like the Cult of Big Government or the Cult of War?

  • Mozarker2

    So, you really like Jesus except for that "Love Thy Neighbor" thing.

    I'm a true Christian and I'm voting for Ron Paul.

  • KittenJuggler

    This has got to be the most anti-semetic article I have ever read. There are Muslim Americans too. Do you realize this?

  • elzhi

    'They hate us because of who we are, not for any alleged harm that we’ve ever caused them'
    – what a ridiculous assertion

  • Tim Barton

    Obviously, Joseph Klein, you are a tool. Had you properly done your research and read the Koran, you would have found contradictions to your own references. The very first quote is misrepresented by paraphrasing… It’s not even the right passage. Paragraph 2:191 reads, “Fight for the sake of God (Allah) those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. God does not love aggressors.” The paragraph you intended to quote (Koran 2:192) reads, “Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed. But do not fight them within the precincts of the Holy Mosque unless they attack you there; if they attack you put them to the sword. Thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded: but if they mend their ways, know that God is forgiving and merciful.” The part about “from which they drove you” should mimic exactly what Dr. Paul was trying to say. Islam is not a hateful religion.

    • Joseph Klein

      Sahih International
      2:191: "And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers."

      Note the words "wherever you overtake them" shich come before the words "and expel them from wherever they have expelled you." They would not be necessary in a purely defense-oriented verse.

      The first sentence in your own quote of Koran 2:192 says it all: "Slay them wherever you find them." And you didn't have anything to say about the other Koran references in the article.

      • Flipside

        Something is up when you quote the Koran more than a mullah.

  • Douglas Ford

    Uhhh, the golden rule still applies I think. No matter how you twist it, the principle was designed to cover all aspects of life. You can say well others don't follow that same rule, but if you are a practicing Christian, killing is wrong. I think the idea that we don't do to other countries as we don't want them to do to us is a fine principal for Dr. Paul to propose in that regards. It's funny, I see so many of my ultra conservative friends preaching how war is necessary and killing is ok "if"… But there is no "if", if you kill someone, you committed a mortal sin, and that is pretty unacceptable in my book, you know the bible. The book most of you christian's don't actually follow what it says, instead you just do what you want and justify why it was ok in that one rare circumstance that will never happen again (hypocrites). And most other religions view killing as a horrible act that should never be committed too (and in the USA our society throws people in prison if they kill someone, yet it's ok if they are marked by our government as the bad guys, which is wrong in itself, that people kill them). Killing people only causes more wars.

    I am a conservative, I view minimal government involvement as a good thing (more government equals more problems I've began to notice throughout my lifetime), and I pay over 1/3 my paycheck in taxes (money I wish I had a say in how it was used if I was funding government programs. And of course I wish I payed much less than what I do). I think we need to get back to our roots until we get our finances back on track with regards to the federal government. We can't afford X government program and that program is not 100% necessary, cut it. I do not think we need to cut social security, else the government gives me back all our money, so they need to quit threatening us with that. I think we need to stop funding all these wars on borrowed money making us appear to be a much smaller and weaker country then China (not cool).

  • Todd

    I agree lets first kill all brown people in the middle east, we have only killed about a million in the last decade.. (I feel so safe now) then all the black people in Africa, then we can work on those groups in the rest of the world… Let the bombs fly… I founders would be ashamed of what we have become…

  • lisa179

    It seems as though this author's best-case scenario would be for the U.S. to pre-emptively hunt down and take out every last Muslim based on what's written in the Koran. Sorry Joseph Klein, we don't have the money to wage these kinds of religious crusades on your behalf. We're $14 TRILLION in debt as it is now. Up until last month, we've been spending $6.7 BILLION a month on the Middle East, the majority of that in Afghanistan. I believe that Americans are ready to come home and build up our own country again. Defend our borders, rather than waging war around the world. The world is ready for Ron Paul.

    • Joseph Klein

      Typical RonPaul troll – I never laid out any such scenario nor do I advocate any pre-emptive war. But what is wrong with strong economic sanctions against Iran? Paul opposes any sanctions or even the passage in Congress of a mild resolution standing up for the rights of persecuted Iranian citizens. And as Paul admitted, he did vote for the 2001 authorization to go after al Qaeda even though there was no formal congressional declaration of war as Paul has frequently demanded.

      • lisa179

        Joseph, I am absolutely no troll and am happy to engage in conversation with you. I'll simply tell you what I took out of your article. Based on this article, you strike me as someone who likes to stir up fear. The article came across to me as excessively paranoid and even bigoted – targeting all Muslims, based on what is written in the Koran. You say you don't advocate pre-emptive war — but you quote someone in your article who suggests it's unwise for other countries to leave Muslim countries alone. I believe we've misguidedly mucked around in the Middle East for far too long, with far too many negative consequences. I think we should back off, not assume that we know what's best for every country on the planet and get our own house back in order — because it's in wild disarray and we are spending ourselves into oblivion. I believe that the biggest threat we face in the United States is not Islam, but our own mismanaged budget and the way we are dwindling our resources by meddling in everyone else's business.

  • mrbean

    Ron Paul is one of Islam's useful idiots. Islam enjoys a large and influential ally amongst non-Muslims. A new generation of “ Useful idiots” that Lenin identified living in liberal democracies who furthered the work of Communism. This new generation of Useful Idiots also live in liberal democracies but serves the cause of Islamofascism another virulent form of totalitarian ideology. Useful Idiots blame America first and sanitise Islam simply by ignoring Islam's followers atrocities against all of western civilization.

  • Frank

    You do realize that the Old Testament (which also makes up the Jewish Torah) is filled with stuff commanding that Christians do the same thing, right? This is the 21st century, if you still believe we are fighting the crusades, then hop into the nearest DeLorean and try not to crash into a building on your way to the 13th century! This religious argument has been beaten to death already and holds zero water because, as I'va lready said, the Old Testament tells Christians and Jews to kill non-believers as well.

    • Joseph Klein

      But it is the Islamist jihadists who are still acting on 13th century and older dogma that has resulted in killings of Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and less "devout" Muslims all over the world in the 21st century. Take off your rose colored glasses.

  • saywhaaa

    So i guess that "Blessed are the peacemakers" "Turn the other cheek" "Do unto others" only apply to non muslims huh?

    What a steaming pile of reaking hypocrisy.

  • CzarChazm

    I really enjoyed this explication of candidate Paul's flawed perspective on global politics using bigoted and racist straw man scenarios. I specifically applaud the use of the muslim holy book as justification for extremist behavior, as opposed to more grounded (read: boring!) associations, such as US tendancies to use the Middle East as a sandbox for military and intelligence involvement stemming from the Cold War era.

    Keeping the argument to the Koran serves two very important points. One, it immediately creates barriers to divide people into categories. And everybody knows you can't hate a group of people until you first separate them into groups in the first place! Two, by anchoring those groups to ideological differences, you create a perpetual system from which there is no need to explore the fundamental flaws of your straw man positions.

    • CzarChazm

      Of course, if what you say is true, then shouldn't all people be driven by their basic dogmatic foundatins?

      I mean, I'm a Christian. And when I see my neighbor mowing his lawn, I ask myself two very important questions: is it Sunday, and is he a homosexual? If the answer to either of those questions is yes, then I must follow the teachings of the Bible and end his life for the good of humanity… no? I don't do that? That's right, I don't, because I live in a stable environment. And I might argue that many people from the Middle East nations don't have a stable environment. And I might posit that extremism is an action borne from desperation in a land largely manipulated by foreign intrigue.

      But I won't stand by those thoughts. I would just be blowing smoke, and I wouldn't want those straw men to catch fire.

  • Really?

    Republican vs libertarian here fun and I get to sit back and laugh.

  • Scott McMillan

    What a shame that this lawyer Paul Klein makes such unsupported arguments about.Islam and Moslems. Incorrect citations to his record, and the balance out of context. It is clear that Attorney Klein’s heart is still very much in the Old Testament. He ignores the centuries of tolerance that Moslems have extended jews living in their lands. Lawyers like Klein give the rest of the profession a bad name.

    • Joseph Klein

      See my reply to Juan below. I quoted Ron Paul in context and linked to the transcript of the last debate. The quotes from the Koran, Thomas Jefferson and the prominent Islamic scholar Sayyid Qutb are accurate. Comments like yours expose only your ignorance.

    • Ennis

      "Tolerence"? Do I really need to tell you about the Jizya?

  • juan

    this article is anti semetic And raceist against muslims. The holy quran promotes not fighting you piece of garbage. u Should be ashamed of yourself for being a raceist.

    • Joseph Klein

      Your stupid name-calling does not change the truth. Read the Koran. Read what prominent Islamic scholars such as Yusuf al-Qaradawi and Sayyid Qutb whom I quoted have had to say about Islam and sharia law. Speak, as I have, with Muslims and former Muslims such as Nonie Darwish who have lived under the yoke of sharia. Or at least read what they have to say. You would be surprised what you may find if you did some research of your own instead of spouting nonsense.

  • Joe Doe

    Convince a slave that he is free and he will fight for his slavery. And ignorance is a bliss. It's as simple as that.

    Ron is far from perfect and I don't share all of his believes, but he is by far the best candidate for a role of the president for a long, long time. Even if he wins, he can't do anything by himself alone… The hope is very slim indeed.

  • TDA

    ok so why does Michael Scheuer ex CIA head of counter terrorism endorse RP ? AlsoLt. Col. Anthony Schaffer says ron pauls defense ideas are the most realistic. Also for over 100 years we had a non interventionist foreign policy until after WW2.
    Worked for all that time and we just toss the winning formula because of world pressure.
    Also the Israelis don't want our help and they said Iran is no threat to them..
    Its insanity what the other repubs are saying just nuts.

    • Ennis

      "ok so why does Michael Scheuer ex CIA head of counter terrorism endorse RP ? "
      Because like Ron paul He's a little f##ked in the head.

      "BECK: Do you really, honestly believe that we have come to a place to where those very senior people in the highest offices of the land, Congress and the White House, really will not do the right thing in the end, that they won’t see the error of their ways?

      SCHEUER: No, sir, they will not. Not — the only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States. Because it’s going to take a grassroots, bottom-up pressure, because these politicians prize their office, prize the praise of the media and the Europeans."

  • Alex Kovnat

    Here's a question for Ron Paul: If the Arabo-Islamic (Muslim) peoples are hostile to the USA because of our Imperialism, how do you explain the angry behavior of musclemen in Scandinavian countries which have no history of imperialistic behavior?

  • Joseph

    Our government usurped a democratically elected government in Iran in 1952-53 and replaced it with the Shaw, a dictatorship which subjugated it's people and committed horrible atrocities under our government's protective watch until the people finally revolted and overthrew them. Don't you think those people, might have legitimate reason to hate our government?

    During the Iraq-Iran war, with the help of Osama Bin Laden, our government subsidized BOTH countries with military aid to encourage a protracted bloodbath. Don't you think those Iraqi and Iranian people have some reason to hate our government?

    Our government occupied Muslim sacred land, controlling the Al-Aksa Mosque and the Holy Ka'aba Islamic shrines in the Middle East, destroyed the homes and crops of various peoples. Don't you think Muslims have reason to hate the occupation of their sacred lands?

    Our government gives foreign aid to Dictators who use the money to prop up their oppressive regimes. It was only after years of US subsidized abuse that the Egyptians finally overthrew their government. Don't you think the citizens of those countries have a reason to resent our government?

    Our government is currently bombing innocent people in Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, and Iran.
    We have also bombed (previous to this war) Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Somalia, Bosnia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Yemen, and several more countries dating back as far as 1950 (all undeclared wars by the way). Don't you think the people who suffered under these attacks have reason to hate our government?

    (depending on which studies you read) Our military killed anywhere from 100,000 to 1,000,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS during the Iraq war! Do those people have justification in hating our Government for the genocide they suffered?

    Is our government justified in killing 100,000 Iraqi civilians because of the actions of 19 hijackers (almost all of whom come from Saudi Arabia, a nation for whom we consider an ally)?

    Unless we put the actions of OUR government into perspective with how the Middle East perceives our intervention, we will never be able to minimize the resurgence of "terrorist attacks". Middle Eastern Terrorism is motivated by our actions overseas, our occupation overseas, not because we are free Christians. The Middle Eastern people just naturally conclude that Christians are dangerous because it is a Christian nation that is murdering, subjugating, occupying and blowing up their lands. Hatred of Christianity is a by-product of our actions, not the cause of theirs.

    • Ennis

      I'll repeat Saddam Hussein’s weapons mostly came from countries that would later go on to oppose the later Iraq war. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, 57% came from Russia, 13% from France and 12% from China. Out of all the countries that backed Saddam only 1% of that aid came from united States The main opponents of the Iraq war supplied over 80 times as many weapons as the main advocates of the war.

      Also what the hell do you mean "During the Iraq-Iran war, with the help of Osama Bin Laden,"?

      "Our government occupied Muslim sacred land, controlling the Al-Aksa Mosque and the Holy Ka'aba Islamic shrines in the Middle East, destroyed the homes and crops of various peoples. Don't you think Muslims have reason to hate the occupation of their sacred lands? "

      What the hell are you talking about? There aren't any American troops in Israel and there weren't any American anywhere near Mecca or Medina. Also the nation of Saudi Arabia is not considered to be holy land in the Musim, Mecca and Medina are.

      "Our government gives foreign aid to Dictators who use the money to prop up their oppressive regimes. It was only after years of US subsidized abuse that the Egyptians finally overthrew their government. Don't you think the citizens of those countries have a reason to resent our government?"

      That another thing, you people always seem to act as if America is the only one that fund middle eastern regimes. What about Russia, what about China? Tell me why Islamists don't seem to go after these countries.

      "Our military killed anywhere from 100,000 to 1,000,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS during the Iraq war! Do those people have justification in hating our Government for the genocide they suffered?"
      First off the number has definitively NOT been a million, second the the military did not kill 100,000 Iraqs. Wanna know who did? The so called "Iraqi Resistence"

      "Our government is currently bombing innocent people in Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, and Iran."
      Uh I'm Sorry Iraq, Iran, libya, currently? Did you just get out of a coma or something?

      "We have also bombed (previous to this war) Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Somalia, Bosnia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Yemen, and several more countries dating back as far as 1950 (all undeclared wars by the way). Don't you think the people who suffered under these attacks have reason to hate our government?and what about the reasons as to why there as intervention into said countries. Tell me do you think a million ethnic Albanians would be around if the United States didn't bomb yugoslavia, Hell i even remember cheering crowds when Bush went to visit one time

    • Libertyman

      Your studies you quote are faltered…not just by numbers… but by reasoning

      Any deaths occured traditionally lay at the feet of the actions of those who perpitrated the evil acts.

      For example… The totality of deaths in WW2 fall squarely at the feeet of Hitler and his allies.

      The totality of deaths caused by attempted anialation of Isreal… go squarely at the feet of the 5 nations who tried to commit genocide.

      The totallity of deaths in Afganistan go squarely at the feet of the Taliban.

      The totality for the War in Iraq and the reinstallment of hositilties go squarely at the feet of Sadam and his terrorist friends.

      To cast blame in other directions is the act of a sociopath(s). Which is today's left. Because truth is otherwise a trap for them.

      • Ennis

        What a cute comment you left, did you know though that the facts I stated are true?

        • Libertyman

          No they are not true.

          Your figures themselves lend doubt. For example there is a big difference between 100,000 and a million.

          I think the Muslim leadership told us quite clearly in Osma Bin Laden in his NY Times piece. Which seems to be quite different then yours.

          And it is irrelevant, Islam has a propaganda machine that is the envy of Adolf Hitler. It wouldn’t matter if we did not do anything… because they lie to little children and teach hate. They beleive that Jews (and Christians now) use non-beleivers blood to consume. One has just have to read the interviews of Muslims that make it to the other side. They teach little kids to hate. It is called child abuse.

          and I bet you thought the genocide of 2.5 million Christians in Sudan were the fault of the Christians themselves … long before any military intervention.

          Your thought pattern doesn’t match your timeline (or Islam’s timeline).

          BTW… would you justify Christians and Jews to commit genocide because there Holy Shrines were destroyed hmmmm. (which is a lot more prevalent).

  • Bob

    Ron Paul is right. We need to stop policing the world and worry about our own country. Do you think we will ever get out of debt? The answer is not if we are giving aide to other countries … AND THEN BORROWING MORE FOR US FROM OTHER COUNTRIES. We need a president that will stand up and fight for the rights of AMERICANS, and not try to take them away. Romney admitted he would have signed the NDAA and what do you think that and a superior military will do???? I mean holy **** people wake up. Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who knows and understands the constitution.

    • Libertyman

      Bob… the reason for our debt in unconstitutional spending. 14 trillion just on the war on poverty. Surely a Ron Paul supporter is not gonna blame Constitutional spending like the military without addressing unconstitutional spending first.

      If he does (or is supporters do) his premise that he has outlined has shown him a hypocrite.

      RE: Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution

  • Jaime

    After 2 tours in Iraq at the height of fighting we were still able to find allies in the a bar province. Most of those folks were ordinary people trying to get by and survive the daily onslaught of bombs and small arms fire. Many wanted to help the coalition but were afraid of retribution. And it did happen frequently. When we invaded I never thought there was a huge WMD threat because our training was not inline with the use of wmds. I mean we trained for it but not as one should expect going into such enviroenment. Yes there were a lot of extremists from around the world fighting, but many were nationalists that wanted us out, including the foreign extremists but they worked together because we were seen as a common enemy. Ron Paul does not want to diminish national defense but all these neo conservatives want is to find or create enemies to pick a fight with. Many of these jerks wrap themselves in the American flag and send guys like me and my fellow brothers to destroy nations, dismantle governments, reinstall governments and rebuild the nations that we destroy in per suit of democracy and national defense. We need people that understand the value of HUMAN LIFE not just American life, that way we can preserve the latter.

  • shawn4films

    1 – The brave men and women of our military overwhelmingly support Ron Paul (you know how overwhelming their support of Paul is). They support Paul because of his safe and sane foreign policy. Every time you write a cowardly-war mongering-blood thirsty article like this you are greatly insulting our brave men and women of the military. Then after insulting them you point your finger for them to march off to go invade other sovereign nations for a few more decades. First you insult them, then you tell them to go die in support oil hungry empire building.

    2 – Blowback exits even five year olds understand this. If a bully on the play ground goes around hitting all the kids and taking all their toys eventually all the kids will gang up on the bully and beat him up. Since world war 2 America has behaved as a global bully. 911 was blowback from our oil hungry interference in the middle east.

    3 – Former CIA bin Laden hunter Michael Scheuer endorses Ron Paul and he says Rep. Paul has the strongest stance on national defense.

  • Andrew

    I'm sure the fact that Ron Paul receives over 2.5 times more money from the military than any other candidate combined shows that his ideas on foreign policy sure are nuts. Yes, that is sarcasm.

  • dejdt

    Very dangerous article. The writer should be ashamed to spread intolerance and hate.

    Most Muslims are moderates and will not take those verses literary, as most moderate Christians won't either with the following examples:

    “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

    “Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)

    “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

    • Joseph Klein

      I never said that most Muslims take the jihadist verses literally. But enough do to be concerned. And those now ruling Iran who believe in these verses and accelerating the return of the 12th Imam getting a nuclear bomb is something any sane person should be concerned about.

  • Rbetieh

    I reserve any value judgement on this article until the Author takes the time to explain to his Audience the True interpretation of the golden rule.

  • Guest

    Why are we in such a rush to abandon our own principles under the excuse of anothers?

  • Joseph Klein

    The Just War doctrine, for starters. I found this article dealing with the Just War doctrine in the context of today's world and the reality of global terrorism very enlightening.

    Also, the choice is not between war and doing nothing. Ron Paul opposes means short of war to deal with the Iranian nuclear threat, such as any economic sanctions at all.

    • Flipside

      I am sure Anders Breivik believes this theory.

  • garrison fink

    How often is Canada attacked by Jihadists?…………………

    What a joke of an article.

  • Guest

    There is only one thing I don't understand. If as you say, the Muslim's highest order is to kill jewish people, why haven't the Iranians started with the Christian minority in their own country?

    • Guest

      I apologize. I meant if their highest order is to kill jewish and christian people, why haven't they started by killing the jewish and christian minorities in Iran? Hopefully that will clarify. Awaiting your response. Thank you.

  • Sara

    Dear author, have you read the Old Testament?

  • Daniel

    Ah, the typical Bush BS that they 'hate us because we have freedom'. Hey NeoCon- have you noticed we don't get attacked by Indonesia, even though they are Muslim? Know why? Because we don't have troops on their land. The Koran rhetoric only works because we have troops in Saudi Arabia.

  • Guy

    I think it's funny that this site bashes Ron Paul, but also put advertisements for his money bomb on their front page. Go figure…

  • 1776liberty

    The primary abhorrent aspect that most people reject with racism is being a bigot and for all you people who do not remember what that is:
    : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

    Well what we see in this article is the opinion of a bigot as it can be clearly seen there is an irrational hatred and intolerance toward Muslims. As we have seen from the past dealing with bigots it that there is no ability to reason with them as they have a closed mind and ideology that will not permit a reasonable discussion as their closed minds are already made up and no level of reason, honesty, or truth is capable of breaking through to the reasonable mind of a bigot.

    The ADL says they abhor bigots with respect to people who defame other people of the hebrew faith, the NAACP says they abhor bigots with respect to people who defame other people who are of the black race etc. etc.

    So why do people who are bigots against people of Islam considered worth paying attention too? They are not worth the effort and it is a fools game to play with an bigoted idiot as they are not interested in logic, truth, honesty, or any other human quality that respects the rights of others.

    They are uneducated and crude individuals who only seek to create conflict and division where ever they go, in what ever they do and in every word they utter.

    The level of vitriol expressed in this article is not only shameful to the author and the publishers as it is a blatantly subhuman in every aspect. It parades the disease of being a bigoted minded person as respectable when it is clearly not and should be condemned at every point by free thinking non bigoted people who believe every one has a right to exists even the bigots as even with their dysfunctional closed minds may one day have something useful to contribute to making this a better world.

    So would the author enjoy a bigotted personal attack against his racial or religious origins would he think that fair and reasonable? No I think not. What is the purpose of a bigoted statement? I sometimes has the effect of causing the people being attacked to respond to the bigot attack with even more bigoted statements and anger sometimes called blow back. Sometimes this will cause other people to create unjust opinions about the person or other innocent people of their origins, race, or religious creed that previously did not exist before. Then the bigot can say "they hate me or us because of so and so…they are bigots. When it can be reasonably seen the problem started with the original bigoted statements.

  • Jesse

    The Golden Rule in Judeo-Christianity wasn't designed to be applied only to others of the same faith, that's ridiculous. People, regardless of faith, are still just human beings, animals governed by the same drives and instincts by virtue of belonging to the same species. The drives that drive those Jihadists are the same as those that drive us. 90% of these guys don't even know what the hell 9/11 is.

    Harvard schooled lawyer, that should mean nothing after someone with commons sense reads this. It's sentiments like this that are destroying America.

  • soserious

    By Herman Goering —
    "Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood­. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorsh­ip, or a parliament­, or a communist dictatorsh­ip. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

    Courtesy of one of the head Nazi's if you didn't recognize his name. Eerily enough, your article is amazingly reminiscent. Thanks for making me embarrassed to be American because this is one of the most bigoted expressions I've heard justified by a news company logo in a long time. And I'm well traveled, having lived in Saudi Arabia, so that says something. Its good to say it so your point can be openly debated, but I hope you realize how embarrassing it is for Americans to realize such close mindedness still exists.

  • the norm

    fear of being attacked. what a joke. personally i fear that those who brought down the 3 towers that are still at-large. before we invaded afganistan, the talliban said they would turn over bin laden if the us would provide proof. it is my opinion that we were attacked by terrorists, however i question who exactly were these terrorists.

    evidence provided by the people about 911 is different from what the media tells us. you can say what ever you want about my comments but that wont change the facts provided. you want the facts, do research. i promise you, (which i never do), you will be shocked and confused and ask why.

    • Duratma_Gandhi

      Pakistan has long demanded proof, evidence for many of the terrorist attacks that groups it's fathered has showered down on India. And when the spineless Indian govt does provide proof, evidence, Pakistan asks for more proof & the source of the information. Imagine what will happen if India were to reveal the sources – the HUMINT teams inside Pakistan – simple, those intel-assets will be destroyed. With the assets being destroyed all of the material evidence will be termed fake – and we'll be back to square one.
      The Taliban demanding proof for handing over OBL is just the same tactic. I think any administration – whether it's Pakistan or Taliban or India or US or Israel will do the same thing. It will ask for proof or evidence – stall the process – and shy away from being seen as capitulating to a foreign power – it's just simple-plain politics. This will not be true in case the 2 administrations are in good relations – like the USA & UK, or USA & Japan or USA & Australia. Suppose USA had to request extradition of someone from the UK – say Anjem Choudhary – do you think UK will stall? Of course not. If the US judiciary provides the required documentation, Anjem will be on his way to the USA to face trail & be sentenced (if convicted). Suppose Anjem was in Iran or China – the story will be different. USA will have a hard time getting him to stand trial – because neither Iran nor China will be as amicable to the USA as UK is.
      You can believe what you want to – but the truth might be something far more stranger than that. Have you imagined a rogue CIA or NSA agent working in collusion with Wahabbi pay-masters from Saudi Arabia that effectively was fooled into committing the travesty of 9/11? Conspiracy is a slippery slope – and once we're sliding no one knows where grey ends & black begins. Having the likes of Black-ops and double-agents has its rewards – but it also has its disadvantages.

  • Duratma_Gandhi

    Joseph Klein would like for me to pay 40% or even 80% of my income as taxes so he can have my American brothers & sisters in the Military go half-way around the globe to kill Muslims. That's pretty much what this balderdash implies.
    Similar to how a drug-abuser or an alcoholic needs to be steadily & persistently weaned out of their addiction, rational-sensible-humans have to wean out Muslims from the lie of Islam. Killing a drug-addict or an alcoholic is not the answer; sending in cocaine-addict to kill a meth-addict is not an answer either. Force is simply not going to work.
    Here's an idea, Mr Klein. Please stop writing articles, join the Military – or better, create a Private Militia and go to Saudi Arabia & bomb the hell out of Mecca & Medina masjids? BUT for Pete's sake – please do so using your own money or others who are willing to contribute to this genocide of yours.
    I'm from India – and we've still got internal refugees (Kashmiri Pandits) that were ousted from Kashmir by barbaric beasts from the North-West of our border. I don't support those barbarians or the worse-r morons who fund them – not by a long shot no. I'm all for defense of my homeland – for the defense of Kashmir and for the extermination of barbaric beasts from among humans. My only concern is – this extermination needs to be humane, sensible, rational. We simply can't go to Kashmir & kill all Muslims – that's not what Rational Human beings do.
    Be rational, be a human, for once. You CAN NOT get rid of barbaric beasts by becoming one yourself. The "extermination" I'm talking about is not physical & doesn't use violence. It's ideological & uses thoughts.
    Please try *thinking* for a change; please don't be a radical anti-Muslim – because that's not what's going to solve anything. The opposite to radical is the moderate.
    The opposite to fanatical extermists is not another set of fanatical extremists against the former; it's the sane, non-fanatical sensible humans. You CAN NOT defeat barbarism & fanaticism by becoming one yourself; it doesn't work that way.
    For all those other morons who'll think I'm some rag-head from India – go & look at my comments on; I'm as much against Islamic ideology as the next person. Like Dr. Sina says violence is simply not an option; you'll only end up with a huge blood-letting carnage. Ideological & rational steps are the need of the hour – not military & drones.

    • Joseph Klein

      You obviously did not read my article or did not understand it. I didn't advocate for war as the only alternative. But the choice is not to do nothing and pretend the problem of an Iranian regime led by fanatics having nuclear arms at its disposal is nothing to worry about. Paul has opposed all economic sanctions, for example. Nor did I say that all Muslims are radical. I specifically referred to al Qaeda and the Iranian leaders as threats, not a billion plus Muslims (many of whom have been victimized themselves by the jihadists). Next time, follow your own advice and "try 'thinking' for a change."

      • Duratma_Gandhi

        Thanks for responding, Mr. Klein.
        "Please try *thinking* for a change" – that's not an advise; it's a request. Hope you understand & appreciate the difference.
        USSR at the peak of the Cold War had, what, no nuke missiles? How about India, my nation, for example? What about Pakistan – not one but many people have expressed concerns of (not *if* but) when Pakistani nukes will float around to Lashkar-e-Taiba or Jaish-e-Mohammed or one of the many such groups.
        This use of fear to coerce rational beings to behave like sheeple is not something new – it's neither something that's only used in the past few years / decades. More than 1500 years ago, a barbarian in Arabia used this fear-tactic to divide a diverse population [yes, a very diverse population that had some 300 Gods]. He used the fear of hell to ensure some of them went around killing others [ensuring a 20% cut on the loot for himself, of course]. He used the same to destroy the 300 idols. I don't need to tell you who this barbarian is, right?
        Now, an educated, polished set of goons, thugs clad in white-collar suits have taken over the role of the barbaric beast. They also use the same tool – fear – but their bogeyman is not some God or Hell.
        What makes you think Iran having 1 or a few nukes will lead to destruction or annihilation of the USA – when Islamic Republic of Pakistan has 100's of nukes right now. If anything there's more public support in Pakistan to use a nuke & destroy the 3 evil entities: India, Israel & USA. Compare that to the public anger in Iran against its religious fascist rulers.
        Economic sanctions, like the ones imposed on India & Pakistan, will not yield anything positive. This, in a college or school environment, is called bullying. A group of big bullies threatening a newbie freshman into behaving in a certain manner – that's the text-book definition of bullying. See where sanctions got the USA in Pakistan? Today a huge majority of Pakistanis hate Americans – and the Chinese are their best friends. Do you have any idea how much of a past USA shares with Pakistan – and how the entire ISI (Pakistani spy agency) was qualitatively improved by CIA & others? Economic sanctions are nothing but precursors to a more strong military action; and if you fail to follow it up, then economic sanctions simply are ineffective: exhibit A: India & Pakistan.
        In my humble opinion, supporting chicken-hawks is just about the most senseless thing to do – especially for those of us who actually understand & appreciate the dangers posed by Islamic ideology (& not just the radical aspects of it).
        Once again, I do appreciate the time you've taken to respond. I hope you're able to see why Dr Paul's concepts are not as wrong as some in the lame-stream media paint it. I urge you to search Youtube for "Ron Paul predictions" – where you'll see for yourself how Dr. Paul was able to identify the events of 2001 thru 2012 back in the 80's & 90's and later.

  • ghendric

    Ron Paul is telling us the same thing that ex CIA analyst Michael Scheuer has said from day one. Maybe you people should start paying attention. I think the CIA guy knows what he's talking about, don't you? Ignorance about what's going on will be the downfall of this nation.. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

  • Sandee

    Joseph Klein–And you're signing up to serve in the U.S. military when????? So, our active duty men and women overwelmingly support Ron Paul–more so than Obama, more so than all the other Republican candidates COMBINED. I guess they don't know any better, do they? I defer to them in these matters….they've seen the situation up close and personal, and I would DARE call any of them "appeasers" or "dangerous".

  • etieseler

    Yeah, stupid Golden Rule. I should be able to go to my neighbors house and eat their food and sleep with his wife in his bed. I should also be able to take his money, and slap his kids if they say anything about how the don't want me there. BUT HELL NO HE CANT DO THAT TO ME AND MY HOUSE! I love this country very very very much, which is why I want us to remain independent, but just because I have pride for America doesn't mean America can do what ever the hell it wants and every one of the 5.5 billion people in the rest of the world must love it, or else they must die. Jesus Christ, can we not get along with people? If you actually open your eyes and ears for a moment, and take a listen to those threats that are against us, then you would hear them say: "We are going to keep killing Americans *as long as they are on our soils*". You will hear them say that they will fight till the bitter end until each and everyone on our lands are dead. Now go ahead and be-little me, but know that I love this country more than you!

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  • jeff

    This has to be the worst and most ignorant article I've ever read. It's obvious whoever wrote this article is a fool. Just stop for one second and attempt to use that marble rolling around in your skull. If they were here bombing us and killing our people, how would we react? We would be pissed off and probably erase them from the earth. Need I say more? To think they want to bomb and kill us because of their religion is just false. Sounds like the writer of this article is making decisions based on fear instead of morality. Grow up dick.

    • Joseph Klein

      Open your eyes and use whatever gray matter, if any, you might possess. Kuwait, a Muslim country, was attacked by Saddam Hussein in 1990. Muslim couintries joined the coalition fighting to free Kuwait and the military action was over within weeks. Bin Laden did not like the fact that Saudi Arabia rejected his offer to help defend that country and turned against the United States with declarations of war in the 1990's becasue of the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia at the government's invitation, all leading directly to 9/11. The second Iraq war came after 9/11 as well as our retaliation against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

    • Ennis

      "To think they want to bomb and kill us because of their religion is just false."

      Wow just wow

  • Osama Bin Laden

    Al Qaeda is a part of the C.I.A. We Created it. When will America Wake up.

    • Ghostwriter

      Al Qaeda are a bunch of religious fanatics who want their religion to rule over everyone else. Are we all clear on that? Good. Because OBL deserved what he got.

  • TheForeigner

    Only in America is it considered idiocy to suggest that Arab terrorism might have something to do with American intervention in the Arab world. How can a people be so myopic, so wilfully ignorant about the world outside its borders? US strategy has involved propping up despots and tyrants across the Middle East, and yet Americans wonder why Arabs regard the USA as a latter day George III. Religion is part of it, sure, but Christianity has its own outbreaks of radical extremism in its past. And to blame it all on religion ignores the fact that the Palestinian who shot Robert Kennedy was a Christian, and did so explicitly in revenge for US support for Israel.

  • Billy Bob Tweed

    Useless, braindead ignorant article. We are supposed to tell Christ to go eff himself, because you read some scary passages in the Koran. Pathetic – and evil.

    • diesel

      NO, you moron…
      We are to be aware of the true motives, desires, and goals of Muslims and Islamists. They wage jihad and murder against us because our country is built on a foundation of Judeo-Christian ideology. Nowhere does this article says nothing about ‘telling Christ to eff himself ‘ Open your eyes, read it and get off your hypersensitive high horse.

  • Darwin says thanks

    So, the "Golden Rule" is "absurd," is it? You are calling Jesus Christ absurd. Thank you! Welcome aboard the Athiests R Us bandwagon. Tell all you friends to join as well. You hate the Koran, that's even better. We can make fun of ALL religions. But back on topic, thanks again for rebuking Christ as an absurdist, idealist, dangerous fringe lunatic whose followers corrupt reality. Thank you – thank you – three times THANK YOU!!!

    • Joseph Klein

      The Golden Rule is not absurd. Ron Paul's interpretation of it is absurd, as well as your comment.

  • Albert

    How can one possibly believe that our presence in the middle east has not directed hostilities toward us? Can't we stop spending all this money on this meddling and erase the target on our back? I would be fine with being a neutral country like the Swiss or Canada. Lets stop sending our sons to die. Lets stop draining our economy with unnecessary, undeclared wars. Sure, if someone attacks us, lets decimate them. Declare it in congress and go full throttle at them. I doesn't take ten years for a superpower like us to win a war.

    • Ennis

      Canada isn't a neutral country

  • edhelmstetter

    joe klein are you from the david frum school or journalism?-where to begin countering this rag of a piece…..

  • NotaBene

    It makes the usual FPM muck-dwellers so mad to know that Ron Paul's message resonates more deeply than David Horowitz's one-note 'KILL EVERYBODY' does.

    • Joseph Klein

      The only "KILL EVERYBODY" note is in your own head.

      • NotaBene

        No it's printed on this website every single day. If I wanted to kill people I'd push war as a first resort 24/7, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT DAVID HOROWITZ DOES.

        • Joseph Klein

          There was no call for new wars in my article. But the choice is not only between new wars and doing nothing. Ron Paul opposed not only any economic sanctions against Iran but even a harmless congressional resolution indicating support for the rights of the Iranian people. And he appeared on an Iranian state TV station. If he truly wants to remain out of the fray, then why did he appear on their TV station?

          • NotaBene

            Are you really so dumb that you can't tell the difference between the US minding it's own business (which would still involve trade, diplomacy, and otherwise friendly relations) and belligerence and warmongering? Paul isn't an isolationist.

          • Joseph Klein

            Friendly relations with this Iranian regime? Obama tried that and got nowhere. Next time, think (if you can) before you write your nonsense.

          • NotaBene

            Is that your actual understanding of the Iran situation? Then you really ARE that dumb.

          • Joseph Klein

            You are too much of a fool to bother with.

  • Anthony

    I'm so sick of pretentious liberal rags who will rally against unnecessary war, then attack Ron Paul for not wanting to ceaselessly destroy nations that did nothing wrong in the first place.

  • Ghostwriter

    To me,Ron Paul lives in a fantasy world. He believes if we retreated from the rest of the world,they'll leave us alone. Both World Wars should have burst that illusion. I agree with Bill O'Reilly on Ron Paul. I don't want him protecting me. We need leaders who live in the real world,not the Land of Make-Believe which is where Ron Paul and Barack Obama have been living.

    • Flipside

      Somebody has read Security and Sacrifice by Elliott Abrams too many times. The pages are starting to stick together.

  • Matt

    The author of this article and everyone who agrees with him are nothing but whiny pussies. Great, big, giant, pussies. They sit behind their monitors, shaking in there little boots, about to piss themselves because they think Muslims are going to hurt them or put them under Sharia Law or some such nonsense.

    Grow up, find a pair of testicles, and get a fking clue. Your embarrassing yourselves.

    • Matt


  • Over my dead body

    So let me get this straight. So Islam is going to make me a slave and we should be provoking war with them at every turn? That's much more sane than Ron Paul's foreign policy.

  • akaGaGa

    The motivation of Muslim terrorists is immaterial. Christ instructed us to love our enemies, turn the other cheek, and not to resist an evil person. If we say that we are Christians, then we must agree with Christ. If we don't agree, if we say that the Golden Rule is "absurd," then we are not Christians. It's as simple as that.

    This debate is exposing the hypocrisy of many who claim to be followers of the Prince of Peace, but in reality put their trust in the horses and chariots of the US military.

  • smitty

    Vote for ron paul,assure a obama reelection.

  • FriendofGaryCooper

    Yeah, resort to personal attacks when you can't reply with fact/argument.
    She's exactly right. READ THE DAMN NEWS!!

  • S. Bando

    If this author actually thought Muslims so dangerous, he should be freaking out at the establishment politicans from both parties whose immigration policy lets many Muslims into the country. Instead he rails against the only anti-establishment candidate running because he doesn't think it wise to attack nations who haven't attacked the U.S.. Jewish opponents of Ron Paul, like Joseph Klein, often say they don't like him because of XYZ, but the ABC of why they don't like him is because Ron Paul doesn't think the U.S. taxpayer owes Israel billions annually or unquestioned allegiance in any wars Israel gets into.

  • curmudgeon

    ron paul has some good ideas. but when it comes to civilizations'sworn enemy, islam, ron paul is a useful idiot. a babe in the woods. a child.

  • djrhitz

    what a sad look on things and short sighted because ultimately Iran has support of Russia and China and lets not mess with them unless we are on a suicide mission.

  • Ann

    our first war was against Muslim Pirates — Jefferson went after them—learn history Paul and the first rules of survival —fool me once shame on me,fool me twice shame on you,fool me three times I AM GOING TO KICK YOU ASS TILL YOUR DEAD!!!

  • curmudgeon

    based on the plusses assigned to idiots, and minuses assigned to reasonable comments, i woud say this site is populated by fools. go ahead and give me the thumbs down. you will prove my point.

  • Chaplain_P

    I abhor Islam because it is false and treacherous, so I appreciate the info. However, I take strong exception with the article's conclusions: Three quotes from the article:

    [They want to kill us because] our nation is governed on the basis of principles derived from Judeo-Christian beliefs including the true Golden Rule.

    Obviously this is false and self contradictory in light of the conclusion, quoted below. This would be true to a greater degree if people like Paul were in power.

    They hate us because of who we are, not for any alleged harm that we’ve ever caused them.

    This, too is obviously false, in part because such absolutes can neither be proven nor disproven. It stands to reason that thuggery (America's current FP) will rouse further hatred.

    Ron Paul is on a fool’s gold mission in believing that applying the Golden Rule in dealing with our Islamist enemies will lead to any result other than the killing of many more innocent Americans.

    This is just plain ignorant. Try reading the Bible more and the Koran less.


    The Chaplain

    • Joseph Klein

      Try reading about the Just War doctrine.

      • Chaplain_P

        Perfectly fair, and I don't wish to seem disrespectful.

        Please permit me to close my commentary on this matter by directing your attention again to the claim that the United States and its government is rooted in Judeo-Christian values in light of your statements:

        Ron Paul is booed (by some vocal dissenters), and more to the point you characterise his position as ludricrous. Consider what this followed, however: Mr Gingrich callously espousing the destruction of America's enemies, "You kill them."

        That statement won much applause, as has been noted here repeatedly,

        Jesus told us to love our enemies. If we are Christians, or sympathetic to the teachings of Christ, we ought to respond, "Yes, we kill our enemies if it becomes necessary, but we do not kill innocent women and children in the process," And we only kill as a last resort, or we have no right to claim the moral "high ground."

        Your position here appears unreasonable to me, particularly to represent Dr Paul in so skewed a light against what I find to be a heinous and cold, barbaric ideology – that championed by Gingrich.

        A just war? No problem. Is that what America is involved in, really?

        • Ennis

          Let me get this straight then Chaplain_p, you're saying after 9/11 America had no right to retaliate? That it should just "turned the other cheek"? That America should have just let Al qaeda continue to as many as they please? Tell me do you have the same attitude with regards to World war II?

          "Your position here appears unreasonable to me, particularly to represent Dr Paul in so skewed a light"

          I beleive DR. Ron Paul of that himself.

          • Ennis

            Edit: I believe Dr. Ron Paul does that pretty well on his own.

          • Chaplain_P

            I'm certainly not arguing against self defense, however the gospel pattern is one of non-retaliation. My point is America cannot have it both ways: either follow the principles or abandon them. Just do not justify the callous extinguishing of life, even in kind, on the basis of superior morality.

            Unless you are prepared to annihilate the enemy, you must reason with them at some point. Your choice.

  • mah29001

    Here's my suggestion to you Paul Qaedans…. f*ck off, and get a life. Because when this article gets over 400 comments from you braindead drones, it's so the obvious that you do not have a life.

    • Flipside

      What’s the matter? Your hate blog doesn’t work? You need to run this one too?

  • 9-11 Infidel

    Ron Paul will NEVER the nomination and will never be President. Why waste time talking about him? Obama is the real enemy as are the Jihadis, the Chinese and the Norks. Its not our civilization that rankles the Jihadis its their political and societal philosophy as expoused by their insane prophet and his moon-god Shatain that inspires them to want to destroy us. There are many Muslim references on the subject of the Third Great Jihad. And make no mistake the jihad will continue against the Abode of War until the only religion left is Allah's. This is the reason for this war. Get a copy of the Muslim jihadist manifesto (Koran, pick your Hadith) and read it for yourself. As it says in the Koran "Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us–till you believe in Allah alone' " Israel was never the issue or our presence in the ME. Those are only excuses. The real reason for the Third Great Jihad is in Koran screeds such as Sura 60:4 and Sura 9:29. And the hatred of the Jews? Sahih Bukhari 4.52.177 is a good one to start with. Oh and the real Golden Rule in the ME is an Arabic phrase wala' wa bara' not some Qutuubian/Saidian construct.

  • Max Dragonared

    Both liberals and conservatives in our country believe that government has the right to force peaceful people–up to and including pointing guns at them–to live the way they think they should.

    • Ennis

      what you mean live in a way that doesn't threaten other countries' national security?

  • andrew

    there are radical jews who also espouse destroying their 'enemies'. there are also radical christians who do this too. wake up and stop the needless killing in name of world empire and war profit which will ultimately end in total failure.

  • SteveMT

    Fact: Iran has never invaded a single country.
    How many countries has the U.S. invaded without a declaration? Too numerous to count.
    Preemptive wars never end, just like preemptive undeclared wars are un-Constitutional.
    So where does the "Golden Rule" apply? If you believe in preemptive war and an-eye-for-eye, then understand why there will be more terrorism in this country. Why are we now trading with Vietnam with no problems whatsoever after we lost that war that cost the lives of 60,000 of our guys? Why did we break the cycle of hate there, and we cannot do the same with Iran? Think oil and their refusal to use dollars for their oil transactions, and you will have the answer.
    Wake up people and fast. Your NeoCon house of warmongering cards is about to crumble.
    Question to consider:
    What member of Congress never voted to increase the debt ceiling, never voted to raise taxes, and never voted for an unbalanced budget? Answer that question honestly, and perhaps you will break the cycle of your own hypocrisy.

  • corquando

    Here's a golden rule! They want to nuke us so we should nuke them first! GO USA! Go NEWT!

  • Matt

    Wow whoever worte this atricle is a complete idiot.

  • IloveAmerica

    America 2nd, Israel 1st.

  • Spinoza

    “Do to others as you would have them do to you.” ~ Luke 6:31

    Where did Jesus say the golden rule did not apply to non-believers? Where did He limit the golden rule to only people who share our values?

    ““If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full.” ~ Luke 6:32-34

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you… If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?” ~ Matthew 5:43-44, 46-47

  • Joseph Klein

    No quotes were taken out of context. I also provided a link to the entire transcript of last Monday's debate. As I said in the article, Paul may have some good ideas on domestic policy but is way out in left field on foreign policy. You just don't want to deal with the implications.