Ron Paul’s Absurd ‘Golden Rule’

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Congressman Ron Paul showed in the January 17th Fox News debate why he would be so dangerous as president and commander-in-chief. He believes, in a twist on the Judeo-Christian Golden Rule, that our Islamist enemies are only assaulting us because we assaulted them first. Sorry, appeaser-in-chief Paul, but the Koran commands devout jihadists to use whatever means are necessary to destroy all infidels, no matter what we have done or plan to do to them.

As part of an exchange involving the appropriate response to al Qaeda and their Taliban supporters, Paul exclaimed:

My point is, if another country does to us what we do others, we’re not going to like it very much. So I would say that maybe we ought to consider a golden rule in — in foreign policy. Don’t do to other nation… what we don’t want to have them do to us.

Paul even offered the absurd analogy comparing our killing of the mass murderer Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil, where he was provided a sanctuary, to the Communist Chinese government deciding to go after a Chinese dissident seeking freedom in the United States. Newt Gingrich properly labeled this comparison “utterly irrational.”

Ron Paul may have some good ideas on reining in the power of the Federal Reserve and on the need to control federal spending. But he is clueless in dealing with our Islamist enemies. He either does not understand or refuses to believe the ideology that drives them. They want to kill us because our nation is governed on the basis of principles derived from Judeo-Christian beliefs including the true Golden Rule. They hate us because of who we are, not for any alleged harm that we’ve ever caused them.

Only three years after the United States won its independence, when there was no Jewish state for Muslims to resent, and no American troops on Muslim soil, Thomas Jefferson, then U.S. ambassador to France, and John Adams, then U.S. Ambassador to Britain, learned from a Muslim ambassador to Britain why the Muslims were so hostile towards Americans. Jefferson and Adams were attempting to negotiate a peace treaty with the Muslim “Barbary pirates,” an exercise that ultimately proved to be futile.

As Jefferson and Adams later reported to Congress, the Muslim ambassador explained to them that Islam

Was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.

All that Ron Paul needs to do is take a look at the Koran itself, cited by that Muslim ambassador more than 200 years ago, to understand the source of the  jihadist ideology that we are still fighting today.

Here is a sample:

• “Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them.” (Koran, 2:191)

• “O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends: They are but friends to each other.” (Koran 5:51)

• “Shall I tell you who, in the sight of God, deserves a yet worse retribution than these? Those [the Jews] whom God has rejected and whom He has condemned, and whom He has turned into monkeys and pigs because they worshiped the powers of evil.” (Koran 5:60)

• “I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them.” (Koran, 8:12)

• “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

•  “[F]ight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Christians and Jews], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” (Koran, 9:29)

• “When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah’s word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly.” (Koran, 17:16-17)

Islamist apologists argue that the Koran also contains verses calling for tolerance and understanding.  If the verses written while Muhammad was living in Mecca, where he and his followers were then surrounded by much stronger non-Muslim populations, constituted the entirety of the Koran, they may have had a point. However, the milder verses were superseded by the far more war-like and intolerant verses written during Muhammad’s time in Medina where he successfully launched his jihad of conquests against non-believers, especially against Jews who refused to convert to Islam. Moreover, when one examines the real meaning of jihad according to Muhammad from other primary sources such as Bukhari (the Hadith, which are oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of Muhammad), the fact is that 97% of the jihad references are about war and 3% are about so-called inner struggle.

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  • John Smith

    Too bad Ron Paul is right.

  • UCSpantless

    To: UCSpanther, are you male, age 25 and living in Canada? Why do you care so much about American Politics? Canadians always seem to be living in the US’s shadow… Why is that? Is it because you never earned your independence?

  • Michael

    Matthew 27:15-23

    15Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would.

    16And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.

    17Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?

    18For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.

    19When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

    20But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

    21The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.

    22Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

    23And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

    • akaGaGa

      As I listened to the audience at the debate, Michael, all I kept hearing in my head was "Crucify him! Crucify him!" Another eye-opening experience.

  • Dan

    You obviously don't have a clear view of the Golden Rule.

    "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

    NOT -"do to other what they would do to you". This is actually the satanic version found in the satanic bible. This is also the kind of rule you are endorsing when you point out what other would do or would like to do to us, and then you say "see they would kill us, so let's kill them first". That is very satanic and not Christian at all.

    Read the gospel dude.

  • Omar

    I agree with Joseph Klein. I spent the firsty ten years of my life as a muslim. The Qur'an contains many passages which are antithetical to peace and freedom, e.g. the spoils of war belong to God and his Messenger, that Christians and Jews are your enemies, that his uncle Lahab must burn and his wife must be hung by a sharp wire.
    We must stop the march of Islamic jihadists!!!
    Whilst we are at it, I have also read the books of Joshua and Samuel. Joshua was directed by Yahweh to conquer the lands of Canaan and to kill every man, women, child, livestock and to make sure that nothing lived. Samuel the prophet directed Saul to conquer several cities and to kill every man, woman, child and livestock. Yahweh was upset with Saul once he spared a king so Yahweh disowned him (Samuel then killed the king).
    So… whilst we are killing the Jihadists. Make sure we get those damn Israelites too. We must prevent the genocidal invasions from ever happening again. I stress we MUST take pre-emptive action!!!

  • Jaed Deaj

    Ron Paul's 'Golden Rule' is absurd?

    Ok, try this then. Go to your neighbor's house, tell them what to do, how to do it, etc. and if they disagree, shoot them. How well do you think THAT would go?

    Why do you think it works differently for countries?

  • Ananthapadmanabhan

    "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them – bring them here and kill them in front of me" Luke 19:27
    Yeah and christianity spread love! Come on you can take any holy book and twist behind their own back. Also Jesus is not only god of christianity but also believed as one of islam's messenger.

  • Jehova

    what is wrong with the other 6 billion people on this planet that they don't just roll over for us Americans because we are the real chosen people? It is so selfish of them to think that the natural resources under their feet shouldn't be dug up out of the ground and delivered to us Americans because we are so superior. How rude of them!

    How stupid of this author.

  • Rick

    Well SC was the proof that fearmongering still works, and will always work. I honestly wish there was a part of the country ron paul supporters could go to whenever anywone but him gets elected, so that when wars continue, we can put up a big fence with a sign "DON'T BOMB HERE, WE VOTED PAUL"

    • Sandee

      Quite an ambitious plan, but wouldn't it be great if we could accomplish that!?!

  • Informme

    Collective punishment is a war crime. Those who advocate crippling economic sanctions against nations cannot be unaware that these measures are intended to cripple the populace in order to turn their opinion against their governments. That's a rather disgusting policy if you ask me. The author of this junk article has no understanding of Muslims. I imagine he lives in an all-white, all-Christian community and has never even been to a non-English-speaking country. While I cannot refute his quotes from the Quran (I'm not Muslim), I can refute his argument on two counts.

    First, you need only look at other religious texts and see what they say about tolerance. Leviticus anyone? You then need only look at those who define themselves as Christian to find them largely unaware of "their own" book's racist, genocidal and dark age preachings. In fact, they're probably very decent people, and if made aware of these instructions, they'd dismiss them somehow.

    Secondly, I have lived in three different Muslim countries over the past 7 years (one of them was Indonesia – the largest Muslim country in the world). Again, while the Quran quotations may be word-for-word (I wouldn't know), it is laughable to me that a very very very white guy like myself could imagine my Muslim neighbours (that surround my house as I type this) would suddenly turn on me in spite of all the friendliness they have shown me these last few years. Just like the majority of Christians in your country, the majority of Muslims here have an ability to reason right and wrong despite what their books might say. I'm sorry, but I really don't see any difference between Al Qa'ida and those who would indiscriminately target every Muslim person. Both wish to collectively punish anyone with a different way of life irrespective of individuals. The fact is there are good people and ass holes everywhere.

  • Nakba1948

    Surprise surprise, another Zionist hit job against Dr. Paul from the loons at FPM. You Israel-firsters are getting pretty desperate, aren't you? Anyone who doesn't bend over and kiss Bibi's rear isn't a worthy puppet for you people, huh? What a disgraceful, treasonous lot you are. You are the primary reason why anti-Semitism still exists in the world, and you owe all the Jews of upstanding character (i.e., anti-Zionist) in the world a giant debt for the trouble you've caused them. Indeed, Jews would be a lot better off in the long run if Israel were erased from the pages of time.

  • Right

    The Koran is the Koran. It has been since it was written.

    It was not turned on America until America deposed Iran's freely elected ruler as a "commie" for one who would allow British Petroleum to continue looting the countries' oil. The American friendly dictator led a regime so bloody that the Ayatolla Khomeni seemed friendly in comparison. So now, due to American action ,there is a ruler and a state in Iran that is VIOLENTLY anti-America. (Technically, Anti-Invader/anti-natural resource rapists). So then America needs a new ally in the region to fight against communism. So America befriends and unleashes Osama bin Laden on the "commies". They also empower a, to quote CIA documents, "Presentable young man." named Saddam Hussein to take over Iraq to present a strong front against the "commies". Saddam wages war on Iran and pisses everyone off…they attack him…he starts losing the war. So America (Donald Rumsfeld) comes in and arms Saddam to beat Iran. America was his friend until he attacked Kuait. America was alarmed because they feared he would invade Saudi Arabia. Which then prompted America to station troops in Saudi Arabia.
    Osama bin Laden has declared that he resented the government of Saudi Arabia for relying on Americans to defend it. America gets scared they might lose their position due to Osama's influence…so America demonizes Osama to prepare America for his removal.

    Everything above is fact…backed by CIA after action reports and testimony. If you were one of those countries you would be pissed too. America created this quicksand and now it's sinking in it.

    • Ennis

      "It was not turned on America until America deposed Iran's freely elected ruler" First off he wasn't freely elected has appointed by parliament.when he illegally nationalized Iran’s oil industry in 1953 he dissolved the Parliament to prevent them from passing a no-confidence resolution that would have ended his prime ministership and led to a general election in which his party was almost certain to lose.

      The Iranian constitution was modeled on the English: The King (in this case the Shah) in Parliament. That is, the King convenes the Parliament, appoints the Prime Minister submitted to him by the majority of the Parliament and calls new elections when there is no confidence in Parliamentary leadership.

      When Mossadegh unconstitutionally dissolved Parliament and assumed dictatorial status, imprisoning the Shah in his palace and carrying on negotiations with Khruschev to align Iran with the Soviet bloc, the Shah appealed to the international community and Iran’s chief allies, the UK and the USA.

      The US and UK intelligence agencies assisted the Shah in overthrowing the dictator and arresting him.”

      "So America befriends and unleashes Osama bin Laden on the "commies"."

      The United states NEVER befriended Bin Laden. They never had any dealings with him or any contact with him. The CIA trained absolutely NO-ONE in Afghanistan or neighboring Pakistan. Nor did they fund them(not directly anyway). The entire CIA effort in Afghanistan was more logistical than operational.

      What the CIA did was buy weapons, ammunition, and supplies, in vast quantities. The Pakistani intelligence agency, the ISI, distributed the weapons and supplies once the Americans delivered them. This was a fundamental rule of Pakistani policy according to Brigadier Mohammed Yousaf, who ran the ISI operation in Afghanistan between 1983 and 1989: No American was to come into contact with the mujahedeen.

      What training was provided by none other than Pakistan. This sort of thing wasn't anything new to them. They had been supporting terrorism, mainly in the Kashmir region of India, since the 1970’s. The Pakistani’s directed the bulk of American-financed support to the Afghan groups that were the most extremist, the most Islamist, the most violent. These groups were reported by the Pakistani’s to also be the most effective, although those claims are questionable. The group, which received the highest percentage of aid, as well as the most support from Arab sources, was the Hizb party, which was headed by a Muslim fanatic named Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who was a Pakistani agent from long before the jihad began.
      There were more moderate Afghan commanders available, but they were not trusted so much by Pakistan, and therefore weren’t seen as reliable by the Americans. The biggest mistake the U.S. probably made in the Afghan operation was in not taking greater account of who the Pakistani’s were paying with American tax dollars. However, the ISI was seen as being more familiar with the situation “on the ground” and was allowed to run the show. If the CIA had taken a stronger hand in determining the allocation of support, it was likely that the ISI would have stopped funneling any support to the Afghans.

      "So America (Donald Rumsfeld) comes in and arms Saddam to beat Iran."

      Just so you know something, Saddam Hussein’s weapons mostly came from countries that would later go on to oppose the later Iraq war. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, 57% came from Russia, 13% from France and 12% from China. Out of all the countries that backed Saddam only 1% of that aid came from united States The main opponents of the Iraq war supplied over 80 times as many weapons as the main advocates of the war. How come the Iranian didn't overrun their embassies?

  • Sam

    Front Page is getting scared- and so it should.

    Paul, win or lose, America gets educated all the same.

    Little by little, the invention of the Muslim threat is gaining exposure and America's disastrous foreign policy is replacing it.

  • Troy

    I thought this was an Onion piece, it was so stupid.

  • chadananda

    Thank you, this article helped me understand the character of those that oppose Ron Paul. If not being a bigot makes me a "cultist" then I'm OK with that.

    Seriously why are RP followers so demonized? It's the opponents who rant like wild evil warmongers. This article was over the top with dishonest crazy racist hate speech. RP supporters may be guilty of enthusiasm but thank God they are not promoting Mulsim genocide and calling the golden rule "absurd".

    • Ennis

      "Seriously why are RP followers so demonized?"

      Probably because they mostly seem to be made up of 9/11, neo-nazis and the john Birch Society.

      "This article was over the top with dishonest crazy racist hate speech."

      What about Ron Paul crazy racist newsletters?

  • chadananda

    I really don't get it. I see a lot of negative comments about RP supporters referring to them as cultish or fascist. Yet most of the RP supporter comments are moderate and sensible, laying out logical and reasonable points. Where's the crazy I'm supposed to be seeing?

    • Ennis

      "Yet most of the RP supporter comments are moderate and sensible, laying out logical and reasonable points."

      What you mean the comments saying its America's fault that Islamists have such a lust for blood?

      • Kan-Wil-Sal

        Have you considered that somewhere in Iran some deranged government lover is making the exact same stupid argument you are? See, America wants to attack us there is no end to their blood lust. The difference is you plan to attack them there which it pains me to say would make them the good guys. In WW2 many small nations looked up to you Americans since you have been trampling the one small backward country after the other, one day you should not act surprised when you meet someone your own size and a thousand small backward nations rise. Rome once fell all empires fall and I am sure they thought they were exceptional to.

        • Ennis

          First off I'm not American, I'm Irish. That right I'm one of these pro-American foreigners.
          And what do you call "trampling" Kan? Was saving a million ethnic Albanians trampling, was removing a genocidal Saddam Hussein from Kuwait(who himself was trampling over smaller said country) trampling? Or what about Kim Il-sung when he trampled all over South Korea. Would South Korea be better of now if the United States hadn't "trample" all over it?

  • JD Jackson

    Joseph Klein, you're mistaken; the Golden Rule is not "Ron Paul's." The Golden Rule was created by Jesus, so if you think it's absurd maybe you should take it up with him.

  • koda

    Hey Joseph the internet hates your face. If you like war so much why don’t you join our military and go kill some random brown people yourself. You could also become an American citizen. So mister Canadian telling Americans to go kill brown people across the world because you are scared of Muslims attack us even though you don’t live here and you won’t be attacked, go join the military or your argument isn’t valid, and your being a douche

  • Joe Clyne

    Mr. Klein. You are taking the Koran out of context. Most Muslims are respectable people and they do not share the hatred views of the the radical fringe (I am a Catholic, by the way).
    This fringe is not going to go away overnight, but to continue our belligerent assault on the middle east will simply make us less safe and embolden them even more.
    Ron Paul is not naive. But he is also not foolish to think that demonizing a group will make us safer.
    His policy of treating others as we like to be treated is something we all should practice and project around the world. How can that not be a sane policy?

    Grow up Mr. Klein. And behave civilly.

  • ThePongster

    The author of this hit piece should actually read the Koran. Many times people use "snippets" of the Koran to mold anti-Islam sentiment. My suggestion, at least go to… and do a little light reading before slamming a religion you truly no nothing about.

  • Kristy

    Ron Paul is a constitutionbot.

    RP 2012

  • luoguanxi

    You lost me at that nebulous blob called "our Islamist enemies"…

  • Rifleman

    "I'm a paulbot and I'm okay, I post all night and I post all day…."

  • nhusmc

    Ignorance is no blessing, Mr. Klein.

    But why take Bin Laden's own word? After all that fatwa was obviously just a clever subterfuge to hide his true motivations, because his ilk have always been shy about making their religious views known.

    • Joseph Klein

      Did you actually read what you linked to? Especially the line – "These youths love death as you loves life"?

  • montlasky

    We should all know by now that all Muslims are Jihadists bent on destroying the infidels of this world.
    Perhaps if we get lucky, the first nuclear device launched by Iran will have a poor guidance system and end up destroying ther Iranians themselves!

  • Flipside

    Joseph Kleim is such a bad man that he believes even the Golden Rule is an object that belongs to the Jews, and is something to not only use for evil but to prevent other people from having. Really, Joseph? The Golden Rule is Jews’ intellectual property? You are wicked.

  • Tom

    This is nothing more than trolling at the best, Ron Paul Revolution!

  • Kara

    As I don’t believe the author is completely dumb, I can only explain the many outright lies in his article with intentional malice. Did you know that the first country that ever acknowledged the United States as a sovereign nation was a Muslim country? Namely the Kingdom of Morocco?

    I can’t speak for Muslims, but I can assure you that I DO hate you for what you are: a warmongering rogue state that treats the whole world as its looting ground, a looting, plundering war machine with no morals, no ethics and no honor, arrogant bastards that abuses their power to bully and rob other nations, treating others like they treated the native population of the continent they conquered. The tenor of the article above is but one example of the American mentality that fills the rest of the world with fear and disgust.

    • DAG

      A vast number of Americans think articles like this are disgusting.

      We have two parties – the left "liberal" party finds this tripe horrendous. The right "conservative" party is not entirely nuts like this author, but you will find these blood-thirsty types in their ranks. It is almost always those of the extreme right-wing fringe.

      As for the existence of these blood-thirsty types in the first place – our problem is our war-machine has a lot of money and corporations behind it, including the biggest news organization in the USA, Fox News. With all this money and power and media influence, the people of this country (most of whom received the poor education our country offers) cannot figure out the difference between facts and rational thought and the influence of those in power. The money train must flow for the army and its contractors, and if other nations must be made targets, they do not care.

      I'm sorry that all I have are excuses – but seriously – the average American is not the terrorist you seem to think we are.

  • Dave

    Joseph Klein has made it very clear that the "war on Islam" is the greatest war of our generation. This is a war of epic proportions that we in the west must fight tooth and nail for otherwise our entire way of life is going to be destroyed, because obviously we are such a weak society that we will be infected by the Islamic belief system. Because we have too much freedom in the west, Islam will take over. Therefore we need to take away all our freedoms so the Islamists have no way to control us.

    I can infer from this article that Joseph Klein is prepared to lead us in the holy war against Iran. Joseph, please lead us on the front line as you fearlessly enter into battle. Because we've heard enough, you've convinced us that we need to go to a pre-emptive war now. We don't need journalists like you to convince us anymore, your job is done. Now you can lead us to glory!

    Oh, wait, what? You don't actually fight in the wars yourself? But I thought this was the most important battle in our history?

    • Joseph Klein

      Where did I say we should start another war? there is a big difference between starting new wars and pretending the nuclear danger posed by Iran does not exist. ron Paul has opposed all economic sanctions against Iran and was even the only congressman who voted against a resolution standing up for the rights of Iranian citizens. He has also appeared on Iranian state TV. Do your homework before you spout off.

  • szczepan4069

    whats the problem?…..and youre not happy that the US have taken out one of their own???….after all Bin Laden was funded by you guys to begin with………..he just didnt want to play youre games after a while…..

    • Ennis

      No he wasn't I refuted this point already.

  • Idontknow45

    After watching the debate, I actually ended up changing my opinion. I think Ron Paul presented a good point. We are going after a specific group of extremists, not the entire population of people who practice Islam. There is no reason to be attacking all of these other countries.. Iraq is proof of the destruction such preemptive measures cause and the only thing it caused was making the international community disengage from us and incite hatred for the destruction we caused. We are not perfect but he is right. Things could have been done a lot better. We are fools to assume we can just do what we want without thinking about the consequences. If there is any truth to what we are doing over there it is that we are creating more enemies than we are getting rid of. He was right in saying that we should have gone to do what we went to do and then come home.

    People evolve by the way, we can quote all the bad pieces of the Koran we want but that doesn't mean the majority of people practice them. The bible is a good example of this.

    "So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go." (Judges 19:25)

    "Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock!" (Psalm 137:9)

    "This is what the Lord Almighty says… 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" (1 Samuel 15:3)

    "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." (1 Timothy 2:12)

    "Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you." (Genesis 22:2)

    I mean, Com'on!

    Were we not a country who had once enslaved a group of people based on their race? Our country doesn't have an innocent past either. We have evolved over time from these religious texts as have others. We have extremists of our religious texts as do others. Breaking down these barriers between us are what is needed, not war. The human race will never progress if we don't address and respect each others differences. We have been working on it between whites and minorities here with diplomacy over time, I'm sure we are capable of it elsewhere.

    • Joseph Klein

      Your name says it all. Have you ever heard of something called the Ten Commandments? And how did that story about the sacrifice of Isaac end? There was no sacrifice.
      "And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me." (Genesis, 22:12)

  • tcc

    The attraction of Ron Paul is liberty. Something only an American can appreciate.

    • Ennis

      His opposition to the 1964 civil rights act is kinda contradictory wouldn't you say?

  • Brad

    Its a sad day when people boo the Golden Rule. The problem with Ron Paul is that he is a know it all and does not understand that everybody on stage and in the audience knows nothing about the Constitution. You might have heard him mention how he introduced a "Letter Of Marque And Reprisal" in the debate. Unfortunately, nobody knows that in the Constitution it allows Congress to hire privateers to do the dirty work for Congress. Ron Paul introduced this act in 2001. Read this and ask yourself if Ron Paul sounds weak or delusional.… Then Google "Letter Of Marquee." That's your lesson for the day. Don't hate him because he knows the rules. This would have saved us 11 years of wars, trillions of dollars, the rest of the world would not hate us, and hundreds of thousands of lives lost (US, Afghan, Iraq).

  • Ryan

    Joseph, you have so utterly discredited yourself.

    When Ron Paul mentioned the Golden Rule, the crowd booed him.

    It is sick to see this kind of bloodlust and war mongering constantly perpetuated.

    Exactly what part of "killing people is bad" is so difficult to understand?

    "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." — Hermann Goering

    "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." – Jiddu Krishnamurti

    It's always funny how those that scream for blood are always poo-pooing on Ron Paul.

    That alone is reason enough to vote for or support him.

    • Ennis

      Ron paul doesn't support killing people through war, Ron Paul supports killing people by neglecting their needs.

  • Edward

    If this were true, then any country whose primary religion is not Islam would be in danger. I don't see most world leaders freaking out about Muslims.

    • Edward

      Most world leaders practice the Golden Rule…they don't mess with Muslims, Muslims don't mess with them. They got enough problems in their countries…no need to make a big deal about the Middle East.

      • Ennis

        "they don't mess with Muslims, Muslims don't mess with them." Try telling that to the Jews

  • bytejockey

    If the Muslims were so hostile to us 200 years ago, why weren’t they attacking us then?

  • GeorgeHew

    OK, I'm not a fan of Islam, but blowing people up is certainly not the best way to fight them.

    The quotes in this article remind the of the old testament / Talmud that the Jews tend to refer to. Great area, the Middle East.

    Here is how many are starting to see this: The Jews make up something like two-tenths of 1% of our military. Israel lasted briefly each time they took that land, there is a track-record of this being a temporary thing. There is no reason to spill more blood worrying about Israel if the Jewish people here in the US don't even care enough to go over there and fight for it. If it is going to last, it will have to learn to fend for itself. Israel seems capable in a way, other than it's leaders knowledge of foreign policy – which seems to always be its downfall. History does show us that it is unlikely for this experiment to last for long. What is the definition of insanity?

    Ron Paul is correct, and absolutely has the best foreign policy, and the teachings of Jesus do seem to be the best thing that came out of the Middle East. I'm like a lot of the Jewish people I know, but this war Israel is waging against Paul has made me much less impressed with Israel.

  • Jon

    Anyone that thinks we should be the policmen of the world, and these wars are no big dea… your closest Army, Navy, Marine or Air Force recruiting office and sign your chicken-hawk, neocon, coward asses up to fight.

  • Aaron Greenhill

    Like Christians – most “Muslims” do not know the literal meaning of their scriptures nor do they care. Like most people on this planet, they have a culture and a family – two things they cherish, and they just want to live and be happy.

    I have read the Qur’an (Muslim ‘Bible’). I won’t lie, it does say horrible things. It does say that the “People of the Book” (Christians) should die if they do not submit. Have you ever spoken with a Muslim? Most will swear on their life that the Qur’an doesn’t say that or intend for a person to really do it. Like Christians, Muslims have also found new ways to interpret their scriptures to fit with this modern world.

    So why don’t you take a few steps out of your trailer park and meet people. Not all non-white people are terrorists / criminals.

  • NadePaulKuciGravMcKi

    bloodthirsty AIPAC Neocon war profiteers

  • Billybreathe5

    Careful Joseph. You might insert a typo with all that blood from the hundreds-of-thousands of dead innocent civilians on your hands

  • ClydeSATx

    we have had the NAZI Propaganda as President for long enough .. you can keep on railing about how the Talmud wants to take over the world. you are an ANTISEMTIIC JOURNALIST oh wait you were talking Islam.. the Koran wants to take over the world.. you are an ANTISEMITIC JOURNALIST. Sure there are Radicals in all religions that take Religion way to far.. but to constantly wantt o declare war on everyone is BS Nazi Propaganda.. the Kosher Baker has nothing to do with the Kings Torah .. the Islamic Teacher has nothing to do with AL Qaida .. the Taliban had NOTHING to do with 9/11 so you are just killing a bUnch of Innocent SEMITES with your Retarded nazi Propaganda

  • Joe Mama

    Oh yes. This is a new type of enemy. The old rules don't apply. They have a book that says stuff we don't like. So we must preemptively strike them all. Otherwise we know they will strike us and then it is too late! It's the new defense! Strike first! We're just defending ourselves! Print more money! Let's go!

  • technovelist

    So apparently it's not just "Christians" in South Carolina who are willing to boo their own most important rule, the Golden Rule. I weep for my country that has such brainwashed, hateful people in it.

  • Ben Cohen

    This disgusting turd of an author makes me feel sick about the way he portrays the billion Muslims on the planet, the Koran is written in Arabic so it can be interpreted differently when translating, all religions have that kind of text if it’s being interpreted by a person from an opposite faith.
    You have more to worry going to Detroit than any Muslim country on the planet, fix your own neighborhood before attacking a country based on their religion.
    Joseph Klein you are filth

  • Brett

    Well, look at that. Islam has been at war with the United States for over 200 years and we still stand strong. I think the next 200 years will prove that will still hold true.

    BTW, Jefferson handled the Barbary Pirates exactly how Ron Paul has suggested we handle our present threats.

    Go figure.

    Ultimately, this article concludes that because Islam's principles don't abide by the Golden Rule, we as Christians should abandon it too.

    What a stupid, cowardly position.

  • kurtin michigan

    Say what you want…there were over 100,000 people killed in the Iraq war. We didn't make any friends, only enemies. Any article that refuses to believe that our actions in places like Iraq has negative consequences or creates enemies is ignorant. I don't believe that is disputable.

  • Dwight Johnson

    All those who want to elect Ron Paul as our next president, make a statement. In many cultures, it is customary to place a stone on the grave of the deceased. When you go to vote for Ron Paul, bring a small stone (no bigger than what David used in his slingshot to kill Goliath), and set it down on the ground near the door to the voting place, so those going in and out can see it. Let the stones pile up, a silent witness to the death of tyranny.

  • Daniel

    So hilarious…as if the bible doesn't have this same sort of rhetoric. There are like a thousand passages in the bible that speak of killing those who don't believe in your god. This is standard religious practice.

    Most Muslims do not think this way, as anyone who's not an ignorant bigot would know. There's not some vast conspiracy to form a Muslim caliphate and take over the world. If this were true, why wouldn't they form together and attack lesser countries first? Why the United States first?

    The way to beat fundamental extremism is to ignore it. Using violence to stop it just encourages more of it. You will never defeat violence with violence…it's completely counter-productive. Trade with the middle east and encourage peace if you want to defeat it. Eventually, they will become more and more like us.

  • LongPaulTexan

    The only peace on earth that will come from our present course of action will be after all humans are wiped from the face of the earth….will the reign of humans be far shorter than the dinosaurs?