Oliver Stone’s Untrue History: Stalin the Great Hero of WWII


Editor’s note: The following is the first installment of a series of articles Frontpage will be running in the days ahead in response to Oliver Stone’s neo-Communist documentary series, “The Untold History of the United States,” currently airing Mondays on Showtime. Frontpage will be reviewing each episode of the Stone series, exposing the leftist hateful lies about America and setting the record straight. Below is a review of Part I of Stone’s series. 

America is a soulless, unexceptional country that has done more harm than good over the last 70 years, leftist Oliver Stone argues in “World War II,” the first installment of his latest documentary project.

In Stone’s multi-part revisionist assault on modern American history, Untold History of the United States, the Communist-loving movie director argues that the U.S. lost the Second World War to the Soviet Union, our allies at the time. The Soviet Communists may have been harsh and violent, but they saved the world, not America. America was too busy getting rich building weapons of mass destruction to make the world safe for capitalism, or something along those lines, according to Stone.

The 66-year old Oscar winner opens the first episode with a soliloquy summing up his journey from patriot to Howard Zinn wannabe.

When Stone was a young boy learning about U.S. history, America was “the center of the world,” he says in the narration.

“There was a manifest destiny. We were the good guys. Well, I’ve traveled the world now. I continued my education as an infantryman in Vietnam. I’ve made a lot of movies, some of them about history, and I’ve learned a lot more than I once knew. And when I heard from my children what they were learning in school I was perturbed to hear that they were not really getting a more honest view of the world than I did.”

As Americans, “we live much of our lives in a fog –all of us– but I would like my children to have access to something that looks beyond what I call the tyranny of now,” said Stone, pretending to have invented the concept of presentism.

All good propagandists know that the use of scapegoating and simplistic story lines make falsehoods easy for some people to digest, and Stone is one of the best.

Stone does his best to reduce America’s history to utopian socialist pabulum, calling the U.S. government’s development of the atomic bomb the catalyst that turned “the refuge of the Founding Fathers into a militarized state.” It seems reasonable to guess that Stone, like so many other radicals, would have considered America more virtuous if it had refrained from bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end the war and instead sacrificed a half million or more American lives (and at at least one million Japanese lives) in a full-scale invasion of Fascist Japan.

Robert Oppenheimer, the American scientist who led the Manhattan Project team that developed the bomb, escapes Stone’s wrath because among leftists good intentions trump worldly deeds even when those intentions lead to catastrophe.

Stone deems Oppenheimer a noble soul because he was a Communist sympathizer. Oppenheimer gave up to 10 percent of his salary to help the priest-murdering Spanish Republicans. Stone notes that even though President Franklin D. Roosevelt banned the shipment of arms to Spain in the years leading up to World War II, “2,800 brave Americans” fought, mostly for the Communists.

Despite his refusal to help Spanish radicals, Roosevelt wasn’t all bad, as Stone sees it. When he sought a third term in office in 1940, FDR had the good sense to put a so-called progressive, Communist sympathizer Henry A. Wallace, on the ticket as vice presidential nominee.

As Secretary of Agriculture during the Great Depression, Wallace habitually interfered with the economy, engaging in social engineering schemes that free market economists say helped to prolong and exacerbate the nation’s agony. But Stone hails Wallace as a visionary for giving subsidies to farmers to not grow crops, giving the urban poor food stamps and school lunches, and launching programs for land use planning and soil conservation.

Untold History covers largely the same ground as Cold War, the epic 24-part series produced by CNN founder Ted Turner in association with BBC News in 1998. That grim extended documentary, narrated by Kenneth Branagh, was legitimately criticized for pushing a false moral equivalence between the United States and the Soviet Union.

At the time Jacob Heilbrunn blasted the series in the New Republic for depicting the decades of tension between the two countries as a “morally unintelligible contest between two equally dangerous superpowers, whose fear of each other constantly threatened to plunge a world full of innocent bystanders into nuclear holocaust.”

But even with its problems, Cold War is celluloid jingoism compared to Stone’s ahistorical Untold History.

“Obsessively, Stalin spoke of the danger to world peace, the need for vigilance against internal enemies,” said Cold War narrator Branagh.

“Conformity was enforced by police terror and by a slavish cult of [Joseph] Stalin’s personality. He became godlike; his icon worshiped everywhere. For those who did not conform there was silence and death behind the barbed wire. The gulag, the secret empire of concentration camps, stretched over 4,000 miles from the Baltic to the Pacific. In the Cold War years the camps continued to devour the lives of millions.”

The strongest condemnation Stone can offer of Stalin, one of the world’s most prolific mass murderers, is that he was “a brutal dictator.”

In fact Stone praises Stalin as a pragmatic hero, who, by fighting Adolph Hitler’s merciless war machine, saved not only his homeland but the whole world.

According to Stone, for years before the war began, Stalin had implored the countries of the West to take on Hitler. Stone seems to imply that America could not be counted on to defeat the Third Reich because its people didn’t care much for Jews. The U.S. and its allies did little to help German Jews from 1938 onward as Nazi persecution intensified, Stone says, granting admission to precious few Jewish refugees. Of course the Allies –including the USSR– destroyed the Nazi war machine, but Stone doesn’t point this out.

In early 1939, when Hitler took over what remained of Czechoslovakia, violating his pledge not to advance beyond the Sudetenland, Stalin became a hero in Stone’s eyes:

“Stalin recognized the truth. His country was facing its most deadly enemy alone. He needed to buy time and fearing a German-Polish alliance to attack the USSR he shocked the West when he signed a nonaggression pact with Hitler dividing Eastern Europe between them. Stalin’s primary concern was the security of his own nation. In fact the Soviet dictator had proposed the same alliance with Britain and France but neither would accept Stalin’s demand to place Soviet troops on Polish soil as a way of blocking the Germans.”

American politicians didn’t appreciate the sacrifice Stalin was making for world peace, Stone suggests. After Hitler double-crossed Stalin and initiated Operation Barbarossa, Germany’s ferocious invasion of the USSR, “there were still many in the West who, frankly, were glad to see the Soviet Union finally on her knees.”

Stone offers then-Sen. Harry Truman, as an example of such supposed shortsightedness. An actor’s voice repeats Truman’s words spoken on the floor of the Senate in 1941: “If we see that Germany is winning then we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany and that way let them kill as many as possible.”

America and its allies were only minor players in the Second World War, Stone pontificates.

In the “pivotal years” of the conflict, “the Soviets were regularly battling more than 200 German divisions. In contrast the Americans and the British fighting in the Mediterranean rarely confronted more than 10 German divisions. Germany lost over 6 million men fighting the Soviets and approximately 1 million fighting on the Western front.”

We’ve all been brainwashed into believing that America and the allied powers triumphed in the war, Stone says, referring to “the myth [that] lives on that the United States won.”

“Serious historians agree that it was the Soviet Union, that its entire society,” including Stalin, “who through sheer desperation and incredibly stoic heroism forged the great narrative of World War II: the defeat of the monster German war machine.”

Like the schoolchild whose dog ate his homework, Stone fails to name those supposed giants of historiography who accuse the USSR’s allies of failing to pull their own weight and riding Stalin’s coat-tails to victory in 1945.

Because more Soviet soldiers died (around 8 million) than American soldiers (around 400,000) in the war, according to Stone the Soviets have a stronger moral claim to victory. He ignores the fact that many Red Army soldiers perished helping to extricate the USSR from Stalin’s cynical, short-lived nonaggression pact with Hitler.

Stone also appears to discount the American contribution to the liberation of Western Europe before, during, and after the D-Day invasion of 1944. Using his own bizarre calculus, Stone gives the “win” to the USSR simply because more of its often ill-equipped soldiers died.

Throughout his professional life the Hollywood leftist has always been a gifted fabulist.

The Fidel Castro-worshiping, anti-American icon-smasher, has crafted movies that seduce audiences, selling them on far-fetched conspiracy theories.

Stone pulled the wool over a generation of Americans, convincing them that Lee Harvey Oswald had little if anything to do with the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Gallup polls suggest that Stone’s 1991 movie, JFK, a crazy quilt of revisionist conjecture, helped to bolster public belief in alternate theories of the assassination. Stone argues in the movie that the U.S. intelligence community worked with the mob and disgruntled Bay of Pigs survivors to murder the then-leader of the free world so American companies could reap colossal war profits — or something.

The wily Stone lied to us about Kennedy’s death, downplaying the obvious starring role played by Oswald, a dedicated Marxist-Leninist who previously defected to the USSR at the height of the Cold War.

Why stop lying now?

Related articles on Stone’s series:

1. Daniel Greenfield’s review of “The Bomb,” the third episode of the series.

2. Bruce Thornton’s introduction to this Frontpage series.

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  • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

    No surprises here . All credit should be given to academia, media and political power brokers for the revisionism of history. There is no longer any historical truth due to cultural relativism and that is the truth.

    See here – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/11/26/the-death-of-

    here – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/08/21/the-paradox-p

    here – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/10/14/hollywood-lib

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel – http://www.adinakutnicki.com/about/

  • UCSPanther

    Check out the song "Joe Stalin Kicked the Bucket" by Ray Anderson. That song stands proudly beside "The Fuhrer's Face" as a taunt to one of the worst dictators of the 20th century.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    Stone offers then-Sen. Harry Truman, as an example of such supposed shortsightedness. An actor’s voice repeats Truman’s words spoken on the floor of the Senate in 1941: “If we see that Germany is winning then we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany and that way let them kill as many as possible.”

    Truman wasn't all that bad really.

  • UCSPanther

    Stalin and Hitler were ideologically different, but they were identical otherwise in their hatreds, their disregard for human life, their lust for complete power over their subjects' lives and lust for world dominion.

    They would have turned on each other like the rabid beasts they were.

    • tagalog

      Uh, they did.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    "Because more Soviet soldiers died (around 8 million) than American soldiers (around 400,000) in the war, according to Stone the Soviets have a stronger moral claim to victory."

    Like I said elsewhere, delusional liars will abuse statistic even when it's completely absurd. So we lost the war in Iraq because the body count was higher on the side of our enemy? Hitler stopped his military and conceded defeat when the glorious Soviets hit the magic number? Or is it like sports with a clock and highest number wins when the buzzer rings?

    Amazing the things you learn when you explore…what did he call it? What kind of history is this again?

    • Rifleman

      Hitler's lack of regard for soviet lives was less than half of stalin's, so stalin somehow has a greater claim to victory. It's been 20 years since the collapse of the soviet union, he figures few under 40 will know any better.

    • Mee

      Well apart from the fact that Russia reached Berlin, while America waited outside for quite a while, shivering with fear.

    • R E Hill

      I agree that Oliver Stone has a clear agenda with his series, but I did manage to sit through all 10 episodes. He does not say that the Soviet Union won the war. He said the Soviet Union played a large part in ending the war by continuing to fight when the nazi’s invaded and that in American history that part is not told

  • Chezwick

    This is the film version of Howard Zinn's 'People's History of the United States'.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "This is the film version of Howard Zinn's 'People's History of the United States'."

      Literally or inspirationally?

      It's amazing how many people take that sick book as factual. It's available online for anyone who wants to gag for free with the side benefit of having a better understanding of just how poorly educated many students are today, thanks to its influence.

    • Rifleman

      Lol, that was the first question in my mind, when I read this article. I read the article on zinn's book being taught in my state before i read this one, and figured a copy must occupy stone's bed stand.

    • MikeGiles

      And America should have wasted American lives to conquer areas of Germany, the Soviet Union was going to occupy because?

  • john butala

    I'm sure Stone in his fine documentary concerning Stalin details the slaughter of millions in show trials and the gulags during the thirties and the starvation of millions in the Ukraine expressly under Stalin's orders. Then I'm sure I''ll see the episode where the Russians shoot thousands of Polish officers in the Katyn forest and the division of once free Poland after the pact was signed. And we'll see the takeover of other eastern European countries and the imprisonment and execution of thousands of anti-communists. Maybe Stone has a large picture or painting of Dear Uncle Joe above his bed when he sleeps at night to draw inspiration. Or maybe Stone, like all leftists, wishes he had the power to murder millions like Stalin and his kid brother Hitler did.

    • Mee

      Its the History of America. Moron.

  • TJIII

    If Ollie "Rock-Head" Stone loves the commies so much, why doesn't he move to one of their "paradises"? I will tell you why: because soon he would start bashing Castro or Chavez or whoever the dictator du jour is and then…NO MORE OLLIE! Wish he would go already!

  • Omar

    Oliver Stone is so ignorant of many things. First of all, why does he keep talking about the atomic bomb and Hiroshima, while ignoring the unprovoked attack at Pearl Harbor? In the Pacific side of the war, Imperial Japan was totally the aggressor (Stone also never mentions the Rape of Nanking that took place in China right before World War II). More importantly, why doesn't he talk about the secret alliance between the USSR and Nazi Germany in instigating the Holocaust. The totalitarian, imperialist ideologies of Hitler and Stalin were very similar to one another. For more information on the Nazi-Soviet alliance, watch the Soviet Story documentary, the link is here: http://www.sovietstory.com/ . Contrary to Stone propaganda, from 1939 to 1941, Britain stood alone as the main power confronting Hitler in WWII. The British did receive military and other aid from the United States, so Stone's propaganda piece has it completely wrong. In fact, it is the other way around. It was the British, aided by the United States, who confronted the Nazi regime before the alliance between the West and the Soviets began. Until the Nazi invasion of the USSR in 1941, the Soviets did little to nothing to stop the Nazi advance in many parts of Europe. Stone needs to learn real history instead of repeating Stalinist/Maoist propaganda.

  • Zen

    Admittedly I haven't seen Stone's latest leftist lie-fest, but I suppose, given his reasoning for the Soviet's victory in Europe, he would point out the Chinese really won the war in the Pacific due the the great number of casualties they suffered at the hands of Imperial Japan.

  • Lee Poteet

    As the son-in-law of one of the scientists who designed and built the first atomic bombs, the scandal is that they were all leftists. My father-in-law, delightful man otherwise, was terribly grieved at the fall of the Soviet Union and transferred his loyalties to Communist China. They didn't exactly hate the United States; that just believed that communist states were more "just" or something equally idiotic.

    • Maxie

      Those leftist scientists worked feverishly on The Bomb because they desperately wanted to use it against the Nazis as vengeance for the holocaust. Time ran out on that possibility so it was used to end the war in the Pacific.

  • Rostislav

    Mr. Stone may be more or less bearable as a director, but as a historian he is simply pathetic, marketing obsolete lies from dusty Soviet volumes as a new "untold truth". Stone's exited translations of our Stalinist historians are no more untold than, say, Goebbels' diatribes about the American plutocrats, but the most interesting thing about the new film is not so its author, as its mass audience – it must consist of viewers with fantastically rare ignorance, indeed! Exactly like any peoples, who vote for the CPUSA-endorsed presidents, must be… Rostislav, Saint-Petersburg, Russia.

    • JacksonPearson

      Joesph Stalin was a butcher. It's estimated that he had 20+ million of his own Russians murdered. How a person like oliver stone (small caps) can dismiss those historical facts, show that he's of low character.

      • WilliamJamesWard

        Leftists are all deluded, how many of the millions murdered were actual followers. I find
        it unfathomable that if only for his bloody disregard for human life no one ended his life
        to save millions, it makes no sense. I have viewed the footage of many of the mass killings
        and still find it mind boggling that it happened. Evil has power over mankind and it must
        be purged by man, the war of good and evil goes on…………………William

        • JacksonPearson

          Stone is a pathetic excuse for a historical revisionist, but like all lefties, he's still blinded with making big bucks, and of course, keeping their name out there. Wherever there's a disarmed, hungry, and docile populous, genocide becomes easier for tyrants like Stalin.

          There's a continuous and on going battle raging in the spiritual realm between good and evil. We don't hear or see it, but it's huge and happening.

  • BLJ

    Oliver Stone is a putz. Maybe he should go back in time and experience life in Uncle Joe's utopia. The United States is, always has been, and always will be the GREATEST NATION in the world.

    Sorry Ollie. I think Fidel, Hugo and Obama are looking for a fourth on the first tee.

  • patron

    A couple more facts:

    The Soviet causalities were artificially high due to the use of penal brigades where they had political prisoners walk through minefields, charge machine guns and tanks without weapons to draw fire, encircle the German war machine, as well as a Stalin created rivalry between Zhukov and Konev’s race to Berlin so Stalin can enslave even more people in Eastern Europe which created problems we are still dealing with today.

    Lend lease provided weapons and supplies to the Red Army. Without US industry, the Soviet Union would have been destroyed.

    More than anyone outside the Nazis, Stalin started World War II. Without the Non-Aggression Pact, it’s unlikely the war would have started.

    Imperial Japan often is disregarded as a formidable enemy. They were stronger than either Germany or the Soviets and much more ruthless. They would have destroyed the Soviets if the US did not destroy their Navy in the Pacific.

    • Chiggles

      Now we'll see if my reply gets approved THIS time.

      • Chiggles

        No? What's the problem?

    • HoR_Emperor

      "They were stronger than either Germany or the Soviets and much more ruthless. They would have destroyed the Soviets if the US did not destroy their Navy in the Pacific."

      Wholly untrue. Just because you're responding to Stone's lies does not entitle you to lie as well.

      The Japanese were militarily and industrially backwards in many respects; they never had a chance of beating the United States, and their attack on America was essentially a suicidal act of self-delusion. Moreover, the fighting in Manchuria in 1937-38 proved they also could not prevail against the USSR — that's why they turned south and went after America and Britain. When Stalin finally jumped into the Pacific War in 1945, the USSR overran Manchuria and utterly destroyed the Japanese Kwantung Army — supposedly their "best" army — in a matter of days.

  • PAthena

    Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated President Jack Kennedy, was a KGB agent.

    • HoR_Emperor

      Nope. Just a demented loser who fetishized Communism.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        >"Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated President Jack Kennedy, was a KGB agent."

        "Nope. Just a demented loser who fetishized Communism."

        It's certainly possible there was some foreign manipulation, even if it wasn't entirely planned by agents. And it may have been. Oswald seemed to believe he was acting alone, but that doesn't mean he wasn't manipulated, and or was not lying.

        We just don't know much for certain. So many leftists had so many reasons to kill Kennedy.

        • scum

          Since you're trumpeting the conspiracies, why not the Right? The Mafia? The Joint Chiefs of Staff after Project Northwoods was rejected? And so on…….

          • reader

            Because Michai Pacepa (who was in charge of the Romanian DIE subordinate to the PGU KGB at the time) wrote that Stone's version of the Kennedy assassination almost verbatim matches what KGB affiliates concocted after the fact as coordinated desinformation campaign on General Sakharovsky's orders:
            http://www.amazon.com/Programmed-Kill-Harvey-Kenn

      • kevin

        who is jack kennedy?

    • Mee

      Paid by the CIA.

  • clarespark

    I wrote two blogs on Hobsbawm. Here is the first one: http://clarespark.com/2012/11/23/historians-vs-pu… focusing on his misreading of Moby-Dick. Here is the second one, and his views of Israel are so extreme as to be horrifying <a href="http://.http://clarespark.com/2012/12/08/hobsbawm-obama-israel/” target=”_blank”>.http://clarespark.com/2012/12/08/hobsbawm-obama-israel/ If Oliver Stone follows Hobsbawm and other Marxist Leninists, we have reason to be afraid, very afraid, for the Democratic Party and its supporters (George Soros helped fund two Hobsbawm books) are busy sending us into oblivion."The Eric Hobsbawm Synthesis" and "Hobsbawm, Obama, Israel." Specifically, their goal is internationalism, social justice, Greening, and anti-Zionism.

    • PhillipGaley

      You're so smart, . . . so, . . . I would marvel to know just how you might explain away the fact that, the real problem is the g-d d–m Jews, the dirty rotten Federal Gov't, and high-power rifles in general availability, . . .

      • HoR_Emperor

        So you're an anti-Semite, then.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "You're so smart, . . . so, . . . I would marvel to know just how you might explain away the fact that, the real problem is the g-d d–m Jews,"

        How can anyone rationally explain someone else's delusions? The real problem is psychos like you who can't separate fact from fantasy.

  • Chiggles

    So true about lend-lease. The Red Army Air Force's favorite fighter was the Bell P-39 Airacobra. And there were the millions of pairs of army shoes without which Ivan Ivanovich would have had to hobble to Berlin with his feet wrapped in bloody rags. True, they were clunky brown clodhoppers and not the sleek stylish jackboots so adored by Mitteleuropean armies of the time but they did the job.

  • Capt_Z1

    I assume In the Vie tNam war, Oliver Stone was nothing more than a dope using puke. Probably many good soldiers died because this puke couldn't fullfill his duties as a soldier bnecause of drug use.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "I assume In the Vie tNam war, Oliver Stone was nothing more than a dope using puke."

      Obviously.

      "Probably many good soldiers died because this puke couldn't fullfill his duties as a soldier bnecause of drug use."

      Probably many good soldiers died because this puke followed the crowd of other drug-using traitor pukes that had no interest in soldiering or loyalty to their nation, despite the fact that they were deployed in the military.

  • Hell's gatekeeper

    What is it with Lefties and their non-stop willingness to sh!t where they eat?

    Designer plebianism? Attention?

    • Maxie

      They are by nature irrational zombies entranced with creating coercive Utopias over which they will preside. Every murderous, genocidal socialist-communist regime from Robespierre thu Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Kim Il Jun, Castro, Che et al have been socialist utopians. Conservative individualism has had no part in these exterminations by guillotine, killing fields, mass starvations, Gulags and gas ovens. Mussolini's Fascism was brutally coercive but not genocidal.

  • carrie

    Stone doesn't create documentaries any more than Michael Mooooore does.
    They create personal ,politically biased , historically revised schlock .
    Written history is almost always biased to the authors ideology . Americans tend to pick and choose history by reading only one viewpoint that supports what matches their beliefs . Stone follows a belief in communism and proceeds to attempt to prove why his opinion is correct and superior ,no matter what facts show.

    He sells fantasy,rebellion and violence for a living and has gotten filthy rich doing so. Why stop now?

  • tagalog

    The article says that Stone asserts that "…for years before the war began, Stalin had implored the countries of the West to take on Hitler." Stone is either lying or his grasp of history on this point is seriously defective.

    I always thought that Stalin had made a non-aggression pact with Hitler in August 1939, and backed up the commitment of the USSR to that pact by attacking Poland together with Germany in September 1939. I thought that it wasn't until Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941, that Stalin began calling for the West to "take on Hitler," the period before that being the period when Hitler and Stalin were allies. Of course, Hitler was at war with France and England in September, 1939, when the USSR and Nazi Germany were in bed together, and of course, the U.S. entered the European war when Hitler declared war on us after Pearl Harbor in December 1941 (less than six months after Stalin and Hitler stopped being buddies).

    The USSR had a non-aggression pact with Japan until August 1945, until the atomic bombing of Japan made it clear that if the USSR didn't attack the Japanese in Manchuria, they'd miss out on the Pacific spoils. So the USSR didn't do much about WWII in the Pacific, in fact it did exactly nothing until the very end.

    Stalin was generally anti-fascist during the Spanish Civil War years, but he couldn't have had his heart in it, because Stalin made the Spanish Loyalists (anti-fascists) turn over the bulk of Spain's treasury to him in exchange for arms that he didn't deliver. So not only couldn't they fight fascism, but they couldn't afford to get arms from anyone else. Stalin wasn't particularly anti-Hitler, except that the Nazis supported Franco's forces. Before that, Stalin said little publicly about fascism in general or Hitler in particular.

    • Omar

      tagalog, England is not a country. England is one of four internal divisions (along with Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland) of the United Kingdom (or Britain). Calling the UK "England" is offensive to the people living in the other three internal divisions of the UK

      • tagalog

        Ohmigod you're offended that I said "England" instead of "the UK" or "Great Britain."

        Whatever shall I do?

        England's not a country, eh? There are millions upon millions of people who would disagree with you.

        • Omar

          England is an internal division of the United Kingdom. Check out these links from Matt Rosenberg's Geography: http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/… and http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/… . The fact is that the United Kingdom (or Britain) is the country and England is only an internal division. Would people call the United States "Maryland" or "Texas, or call Canada "Ontario or "Alberta"?

          • tagalog

            England is one of the "four home nations" of the UK. The term "nation" and the term "country" are synonymous (except more than one nation can live in a country, and any given nation may exist even if it doesn't occupy a particular land as its country).

            Ask the Scots if Scotland isn't a country distinct from England.

            The United Kingdom is usually called a "commonwealth."

            But have it your way.

          • Omar

            Actually, the terms "country" and "nation" are not synonymous. There is actually a difference between the two. Check out this article from Matt Rosenberg: http://geography.about.com/cs/politicalgeog/a/sta

    • Maxie

      I'd like to hear your definition of Fascist. Fascism comes from the Italian Fascii meaning bundle, grouping, collective. It was the descriptor used by Mussolini's then regime of what we now call 'Croney Capitalism' or the Third Way: Socialism supported by a capitive capitalist class to finance it all. It doesn't work, by the way, but Obama's its' latest advocate.

  • poetcomic1

    Stalin was the direct cause of World War Two. The pact freed Hitler to declare war on the rest of Europe and not have to 'cover his back'. Stalin and Hitler carved up Poland like a Thanksgiving turkey. It wasn't just a 'non-aggression' pact it was a shared aggression pact. I find it darkly amusing that even as the Nazis were invading the Soviet Union, secret police in Moscow were STILL arresting intellectuals for 'speaking against Hitler'. Someone had forgot to cancel the orders. As for the Soviet death toll – they have themselves to thank.

    • tagalog

      There's more to it than that. Stalin trusted Hitler to the point where Stalin took about two weeks to begin working on developing a defense to Operation Barbarossa. During that two-week period, Stalin dithered; there were a couple of days at the beginning where Stalin refused to believe the reports of an invasion.

      • reader

        Why would the man who never trusted his own shadow would trust Hitler all of a sudden? He did not believe that Wehrmacht would launch Barbarossa against RKKA, because RKKA had an enormous advantage in the number of tanks, aircraft and artillery. The big secret behind the RKKA collapse is not the "unpreparedness" – at least not in terms of sheer numbers – but in what Stalin himself characterized as unwillingness to fight for the world revolution in his conversation with the US ambassador Harriman (see Stalin's Wars by G. Roberts).

  • tagalog

    When we count up the Soviet dead and compare it with the deaths of other allies, don't forget to tally up the Allied dead in the Pacific too. The Soviet death toll for the Pacific war amounts to the devastating total of: Zero.

    • Rules of Evidence

      false

  • guest

    Josiff Vissarionovitch Dzoughashvili aka 'Plowman' for Gulag inhabitants aka, Josef Stalin was a cunning cold blooded murderer on a mass scale. Reading list of Oliver Stone probably did not does not include a source like "Bloodlands, Europe between Hitler and Stalin" by Timothy Snyder. It is a blood curdling account. Neither does Stone will ever mention that Soviet infantry, when forced to withdraw under the German onslought, was met with well fed and well armed NKVD or Smiersh agents, ready to shoot their own on the spot. Stalin decimated members of his own general staff in the late 30ies and practically liquidated a command structure of his own Air Force shortly before German invasion. Oliver Stone

  • Loyal Achates

    So I suppose the Red Army inflicting 80-90% of the casualties on Hitler's army had no impact on the war?

    You could say the non-aggression pact 'caused' the war – what about Munich 1938? The failure of France and Britain to actively defend Poland? The isolationist stance of the United States (which Roosevelt only overturned against the furious objections of the GOP)?

    It was a WORLD war. Everyone played their part. You're denigrating the sacrifices of the Russian and Eastern European peoples simply because you dislike the ideology under which they fought.

    • tagalog

      The war would probably have lasted longer without the Soviet Union. It shouldn't be forgotten that Hitler intended to re-settle Germans in the land belonging to the Soviets, so a Soviet-German war at some point was inevitable. But the atomic bomb dropped on Nazi Germany would have been decisive in the end.

      • kevin

        they were bombing civilians anyway. The atom bomb didnt win the war with japan either, it wasnt even the worst bombing of civilians in japan. The russians attacking made them surrender, who wanted to fight the us and russians at once?

    • reader

      It is safe to say that Hitler would not attack Poland without the Pact. It is true that Munich, or more precisely, the appeaser Chamberlain, made him to believe that the Pact with Stalin would preclude the UK and France from declaring the war against him. By available accounts, he would be shocked on September 3, 1939 to find out to the contrary.

    • HoR_Emperor

      No, we aren't. Straw man.

  • Jaysonrex

    "A house divided …" is what is happening to U.S. now. The world is jealous of our freedom and our solid institutions and this, naturally, makes all leftists feel 'banana'. But not only the leftists. Their allies, the Islamic terrorists, are also upset. So there comes Oliver Stone, a has been, trying to resuscitate his dead career. Maybe he should visit Cuba and hold the hand of the dying Hugo Chaves, while exchanging ideas with the senile Fidel Castro. The company of bloody dictators seems to animate poor old Oliver Stone. So be it.

    • Oleg

      Lol, you are people so funny. Ill look at all of you when usa dollar will collapse this year and finally fake money will dissapear. Then usa will turn worse then cuba, ussr, china or iran. You gonna start killing each other over here by urself, like an animals. So please stop saying high words of freedom and democracy, its just doesnt exist…money is all…and soon we will run out of money and you all will starve badly.

      • Jaysonrex

        Oleg, please take your psychotropic medicine exactly as your doctor prescribe it. Otherwise he will have to put you away in a mental hospital forever.

        What has your stupid comment got to do with the article itself or with my comment? Nothing at all, obviously. Unless you are a Latin American, which explains everything about you and your demented views.

    • WilliamJamesWard

      Hopefully Stone will be interviewing Stalin and Hitler and Arafat and Poll Pot with
      a wrapup with Mao………..I would like to hear what they all are thinking right now.
      William

    • zoebrain

      I can assure you the western world (at least) is not "jealous" of your "freedom" or your "solid institutions".

      No other country would tolerate the TSA, or the "sovereign immunity" that allows your police forces to quite literally get away with murder. No other civilised country has "no knock" raids hitting the wrong house, where both people and pets are shot, without any comeback. Police are routinely suspended (with pay) for crimes that elsewhere would land them in the slammer.

      As for your "solid institutions" – a judiciary where judges have been caught getting paybacks from private prison owners to keep them filled with prisoners convicted regardless of the facts; a conviction rate of 95% for anyone charged; and one in three adult black males are either in jail or on or have been on probation. Your entire furniture industry is dependant on these new, temporary slaves, working in prisons for a few pennies per hour.

      A congress so dysfunctional it hasn't been able to pass a budget in how many years now? Where legislation is routinely passed unread – 154 page bills voted on with 3 minutes to examine them?

      The USA used to inspire the world. Your ideals still do. The execution…. not so much. The saddest thing is that you think others must be jealous of you, that things must be worse elsewhere.

      The are – in Saudi, North Korea, much of Africa… but you could be, and should be, so much better than that.

  • cynthia curran

    The problem is Stalin entered with an alliance with Hitler and killed several of his generals that made the Soivet Union more vulnerbale when the Germans invaded it. Stalin decisions earlier caused maybe millions or at least thousands to died, if he had made different decisons than a lot of Russians would not have died as much after the invasion by HItler. The people were down to eating bark and Stalin is also to blame.

    • tagalog

      Stalin murdered about 80% of the Soviet officer class during the Great Terror.

      The people of Leningrad got beyond eating bark in the Second World War. Some of them became cannibals, as some Ukrainians and others had been in the Terror Famine in the early 1930s.

      On the German side, as the Germans retreated to the west, some of them report picking bits of undigested corn out of feces found by the side of the roads to feed themselves.

      The Soviet-German war in World War II was a horror show in every conceivable way.

      • reader

        "Stalin murdered about 80% of the Soviet officer class during the Great Terror."

        This is highly exaggerated.

  • cynthia curran

    The problem with the left on Castro is their are better models for socialized medicine. You could pick Sweden which at least doesn't send people to either labor camps or prison. But the left admires anyone for the poor even if they are a tyrant. Sweden at believe at least allows upper-middle or rich people to get out of their healthcare system if they have the money to do so.

  • JCS

    Plus we kept Stalin afloat with untold numbers of tanks, trucks, planes, artillery, munitions etc. He was never the least bit grateful and constantly demanded more. He could not have fought back against the Germans with out it.
    Stone no doubt won't report that wherever the Red Army went there was mass raping, looting, and murder of civiians not to mention the countless civilians sent to the Gulag and never heard from again.
    Even Soviet soldiers who were captured by the Germans were sent to the Gulag when recaptured.
    They were expected to die in their tracks rather than surrender.
    Also the Red Army sat for months 30 miles from Warsaw and let the heroic Poles (their allies) who rose in revolt against the Nazis all be killed or captured.
    Maybe Patton was right and we should have kicked them back into Russia.
    Lastly there was the Katyn Forest massacre in late 1939 where the Red Army slaughtered thousands of Polish officers they had captured.
    What a great guy Stalin was Ollie.

  • Ghostwriter

    And do you know the worst part of this story? Stalin virtually IGNORED reliable intelligence about the German invasion. He was getting reports from all over the world saying that Nazi Germany was going to invade the Soviet Union. He ignored them entirely. He let his people die unnecessarily. And THIS is the man Oliver Stone thinks is a hero? That's utter nonsense. And here's something else about Stalin. I once saw a documentary on Stalin on the History Channel some years ago. An old woman related a story in which when she was a little girl,her father would come home and read her a bedtime story. One night,some of Stalin's thugs took him away. Her father promised that he would return and finish the story. She was still waiting for him to return even then.
    There was also a photograph of Stalin hugging a young girl that was well-known all over the Soviet Union. It was done to make people believe that Stalin loved children and was the "Father of the Nation." This girl's real father was in the Red Army,until Stalin had him taken away on false charges of being a Japanese spy. She said that when her father was arrested,"My happy life,my happy childhood ended that day." These were from people that were around when Stalin was in power. The documentary showed many others that were critical of him. That documentary was far better than Oliver Stone's treatment of Stalin. It showed who Stalin REALLY was and not the false hero that Stone wants Americans to believe existed.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Oliver Stone is simply a liar with a platform from which to build falsehood, Hollywood.
    History according to this vile man is as all marxists make it, whatever promotes thier
    marxist-communist-socialist bent. In the evil empire Stone has sold his soul and would
    misinform and mislead all comers and considering the state of deplorable education
    in America he may with lies succeed through a historically bogus movie to educate this
    generation of ignorant Americans on pure crapola………………..William

  • Fritz

    Obviously Oliver Stone has never heard of Nikita Khrushchev's "Secret Address" of 1956 in which he denounced the horrors and atrocities of the Stalin regime. While he did this in large part to cement his position in power and discredit Stalin's former lackeys it was largely true. Oliver Stone has apparently also not heard of the Great Purge of 1938 where he basically liquidated the staff of the Red Army, which led to the botched Soviet invasion of Finland. The Fins successfully routed the Red Army and sent the Soviets crawling back to Moscow with their tail between their legs. Consequently the Nazis saw this as an evident weakness of Soviet military power and opportunistically launched operation Barbarossa in the summer of 1940.

    • Fritz

      There is also the Soviet government engineered famine of 1932-1933 known among Ukrainians as the "Holodomor" which rivals the holocaust and Mao's "Great Leap Forward" in terms of human tragedy. Maybe Ollie should ask a Ukranian what they think of his saintly Uncle Joe?

  • slider96

    Stone is a legend in his own drug infested mind . He thinks that because he's a Vietnam vet [like about 3 million others ] that validates his work . This has appently developed from neurosis to psychosis . I kew he lost it after Natural Born Killers , a disgracefull example of gratuitious violence . Now this ….revisionism .
    This fool should simply be ignored, and his present rantings are simply that of a tantrum child seeking attention .

  • edgineer1

    Stalin and Hitler are socialism personified. Throw mass butcher Mao in there too. Socialism is the concentration of all power in the hands of one man. No "fine tuning" will ever change that simple fact.

  • Fritz

    I don't want to appear as a spammer but in reality it was Vyacheslav Molotov who lead the war in the early days, Stalin went went on a two week drunk in denial that his pal Hitler had stabbed him in the back. I don't want to take away from the Soviet contribution to the war, many brave and brilliant men gave everything they had to turn the tide on the Eastern front but this was largely in spite of the Stalin regime not because of it. It took the regime more then a year to figure out that incentives and rewards for heroism, along with actually using battlefield tactics and planning, might work better then just marching men to the front at gun point. I don't know what Oliver Stone's romanticism is with Stalin, even the Soviets themselves tried to distance themselves from his legacy rather then proclaim it, what does that tell you?

  • niuwayrequin

    Oliver Stoned is moving to Washington or Colorado I hear…

  • Mladen Andrijasevic

    If only Vasily Grossman’s novel Life and Fate were to become a part of the US school curriculum we would avoid all this display of profound ignorance about what transpired in the USSR .

    Life and Fate by Vasily Grossman
    http://www.amazon.com/Life-Fate-Review-Books-Clas

  • reader

    Err… don't distract yourself from watching the oil prices, edinoross troll. 'cos as soon as they tumble, so does your bandit regime.

  • Rocky Cavalli

    Enough bickering about who was the most important winner of the Second World War. The Soviet effort was almost complete supplied by the US War Machine. Without the food, equipment and fuel we provided they were lost, a bunch of backward primitives mired in 12 inches of Russian mud. Stone is a delusional fantasist (drug induced?), constantly constructing his own version of reality to quell his capitalist guilt.(he likes to exploit capitalism or, better said Free Market Economies for his ever increasing largess). Another Globalist Socialist hypocrite, that's what great propagandists do, and Stone is a key propagandist in Obama's arsenal. They are brothers in arms. His show is airing on international airwaves, Stone and Obama are winning and we are standing around pointing fingers,,,ooh, ooh, look at that, look at that. Stone needs to be crushed by truth tellers and honest proponents of World History before he achieves his goal of coercing an entire generation and destroying the United States, which is his objective. He's winning, along with Obama, and we are allowing them to get away with it. Where are the patriots?

  • C. Fitz

    Can you spell propaganda? Hollywood is a leftist political prostitution ring.

  • kevin

    well most of the presidents he exposed were democrats, but nice try. Go ahead and read some history books not written in Harry Trumans america, because as we all know everyone who disagreed with him was a communist.

  • kevin

    wow, you are so off. In truth things are even worse than Stone showed. He toned things down for television. Everyone in the world knows what happened, except the people who dont even know where their own country is on the map…

  • gary gnu

    japan was not fascist. the USA sold germany and japan oil and weapons right up to pearl harbor. remember why japan bombed pearl harbor.

  • CF

    echo, echo

  • Ken

    Stone wants us to believe that the mistrust started with WWll. Do you think maybe little things like Stalin's domestic methods and the goals of the COMITERN had anything to do with our stance? The New Left Historians formed a world view based upon the events of the late 50's and early 60's and set about to look back at our history and blame nearly all the world's prolem's on the US. When I was taught all this in the late 60's in college, I said WOW. I was young and impressionable and as most youth, ready to question the norms. After 45 years is reading, viewing, and listening, I think I know propaganda when I see it. I'm sure Stone had a rough time in Vietnam; but he needs to grow out of it.

  • James

    In reading your hard headed critique of a documentary mini series that refuses to take sides on the right or left and calls for a more loving and compassionate world after a 80 years of senseless greed, death and violence all in the name of power and ignorance, I’m saddened but not surprised at your typical “patriotic” inability to see the big picture and put set aside you ego and pride for 2 seconds. I really gave your article a shot, but nowhere do you show where Stone is wrong in his view of the world. You give not one fact in the opposition of Stone’s claims. You just say it is so because you say its so and throw stones that he is a Howard Zinn “wanna be” and a communist sympathizer. That is so laughable and embarrassing I don’t even know where to start. This type of mindless and unimaginative writing makes your view no more believable than any other mainstream media ignoramus refusing to see from another’s eyes other than yours blinded by the cool aid. Unable to swallow the true fact that after Roosevelt and WWII there is little to be proud about. And even then its not as glorious as our propaganda would describe. Except of course those who were snuffed out for trying to take us on a more righteous path and refusing to take orders from the military industrial complex i.e JFK RFK and MLK. Open your eyes a bit wider stop drinking the cool aid and watch it again, and again until the real truth sinks through that thick skull of yours.

  • Ken

    The USSR was totalitarian with a socialist economic background. Just because they believe in the equal distribution of wealth does not mean it exemplifies the way they ran their nations. Carl Marx had the right idea, but the way it was implemented in the USSR was very poor; I am not a socialist or socialist sympathizer, I just think people who are dead stuck on the idea of American exceptionalism really need to look back on the past 60+ years of US policies and see if the world truly needs us. We basically took the communists idea of world domination and twisted it in our own sense. We preach about all countries having democracy, yet we backed dictatorships in Iran, Central America, and South America in the past. Even today we still have our hands in everyone's pockets, not leaving much leeway for any real freedom for any nation. We have more military bases spread across the world than any other nation, its like as if we believe our presence is needed or there will not be any stability in the world. Oliver Stone raises some interesting points to not just digest what our history teachers tell us in class, but to actually spend a moment to really understand our past. Not having an open mind to new ideas and just calling him a communist really doesn't show that there is an argument, your logic is invalid, and you look very ignorant. Sure he doesn't go off on how America had the right to do certain things, but history is open to interpretation and you need to consider the views of multiple sides before you go blaming the one (Oliver Stone) who only wanted to share the message and his hopes for the future.