Obama or Romney: Who is Better for Israel?

Two distinguished and knowledgeable speakers, Dan Fleshler, a media and public affairs strategist in New York City, and Jeffrey Wiesenfeld, trustee of the City University of New York and former FBI foreign counter-intelligence agent, represented the 2012 presidential candidates at the October 14  Israeli Affairs Breakfast at the Reform Temple of Forest Hills. In order to maintain civility the event was billed as a “panel discussion,” not a debate, on the current hot-button issue that is dividing Jewish communities across America.

Lois Silverman, past president of the congregation introduced the speakers and the topic, “Obama or Romney – who is better for Israel,” saying that the U.S. and Israel have an unshakable relationship and that we are looking forward to hearing the speakers clarify the rather puzzling foreign policy positions of both Governor Romney and President Obama. They did the job, as they presented two diametrically opposed political views on the outcome of the election on Israel. The room was packed with an equally balanced audience from the political left to the right.

Dan Flesher started off lambasting Romney’s lack of foreign affairs experience and his dozens of foreign policy advisors vying for his heart and mind, many of whom are the neoconservatives and hawks who got us into the Iraq War. The far better bet for the State of Israel, he argued  is Obama’s “bridge building” approach to broker a secure peace between Israel and her Arab neighbors.

Fleshler has been a longtime American Jewish activist struggling to counteract the powerful influence of AIPAC, America’s leading pro-Israel lobby, and other hawkish groups that he maintains, have a stranglehold on America’s Middle East policies.  He authored “Transforming America’s Israel Lobby – The Limits of Its Power and the Potential for Change” (Potomac Books, May 2009) where he makes the case for a domestic pro-peace political bloc that is both pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian, seeking an end to the Israeli “occupation” and envisions a two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. He is a member of J Street’s national Advisory Council and a board member of Americans for Peace Now (APN), groups that share the same vision that the only path to peace is to secure a viable Palestinian state alongside the State of Israel, based on the 1967 borders. It should be noted that J Street, partially funded by George Soros, Arab and Muslim Americans and Iranian advocacy organizations, endorsed the Arab and Palestinian sponsored UN resolution to condemn Israel in the UN Security Council which spurred Democratic representatives to cut their ties with J Street.

Although Mitt Romney has pledged to eliminate “daylight” between the United States and Israeli governments, the accusations that Obama is anti-Israel because he has differences with Israeli policies are unfounded, according to Fleshler. Even as Obama seeks to put “daylight” between U.S. and Israel, we need to look at his record in the historical context of his predecessors rebuffing Israel. Past presidents such as Ronald Reagan suspended strategic cooperation with Israel and Gerald Ford sought a reassessment of US-Israeli relations, as did other presidents. However President Obama has delivered more military aid to Israel than any administration including the bunker-busting bombs, which were originally denied by the George W. Bush administration.

Obama has four years of experience in US-Israel relations, to Romney’s zero Fleshler stressed. His Middle East policy informed by notable advisors, maintains that the Israeli-Arab conflict as well as the existential threat involving Iran, cannot be solved without US engagement, in order to breach the differences between both sides. Both Israel and the Arab states will have to make concessions and tone down anti-Semitic rhetoric. Obama continues to pursue this bridge-building approach, the path laid out by Bill Clinton, the best template to resolve the Middle East conflicts without resorting to war. The Right has no answers and Fleshler stated that we can only hope and guess as to what Romney will do for Israel.

He compared the presidential candidates’ Middle East policies to two different treatment options of cancer specialists. One way is to cut out the cancer by drastic surgery, hoping the patient lives. The other option is the more diligent, painstaking approach, a step by step process treating the cancer by all therapeutic treatments available until the cancer goes into remission. Fleshler indicated that the former is Romney’s radical approach, while the later is Obama’s conscientious approach, which is best for Israel. The cancer specialist who doesn’t give up is the best way to save the patient.

The next speaker, Jeff Wiesenfeld delivered a clarion call to all American Jews to learn the lessons of our 2000 year history in the diaspora, from persecution and pogroms to the Holocaust, and apply it to the present when the State of Israel faces the prospect of extinction, in order to cast an informed vote for the presidential candidate who will be best prepared to protect Israel. Wiesenfled’s parents as well as his in-laws were Holocaust survivors, so when he speaks out in defense of Israel, it’s from the depths of his soul. On countless occasions he has stood up courageously as a Jewish warrior, the Maccabee of our age to defend the State of Israel and confront rabid anti-Semitism head-on regardless of the fear of repercussions or the straightjacket of political correctness, which renders more timid souls to perpetual silence.

Wiesenfeld delved in the history of the Jewish people discussing the plight of Gypsies, stateless wanderers, in order to help visualize the importance of our historic connection to Israel. Before we had a Jewish national homeland we were defenseless wanderers, like Gypsies who had no home, no state and no respect, and who are irrelevant today. We were powerless and vulnerable, but who could believe the prospect of the extermination of six million Jews? Wiesenfeld lamented in righteous indignation that the world did not “set a red line.”

Today the president of Iran threatens to “wipe Israel off the map.” But the difference today, Wiesenfeld admonished, is that there will be no “retail” Holocaust. One bomb is all that is necessary for instantaneous annihilation, all dead, rather than the Nazi’s systematic extermination process of 10,000 per day.

Today we need to set a “red line” for Iran. The Islamic Republic of Iran is just as deadly fanatical as Nazi Germany. Before World War II, Russian Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky warned the Polish Jews to believe Hitler; the volcano is erupting and the time is short for them to be spared. Ahmadinejad, like Hitler, means what he says. He means to destroy the Jewish State. Iran has determined to develop nuclear weapons and deploy them against Israel, a threat even worse than the Holocaust. Germany had at least 70 million sympathetic to the Nazis, while 150 million Muslims are sympathetic to the jihadist terrorists. This time there will be no repeat of the diaspora. If Israel is destroyed, the Jewish people are finished. Israel is a haven where Jews can go to be safe, a homeland where we’re not vulnerable, and a safe haven to prevent a recurrence of the Holocaust. Without Israel, Jews would have nowhere to turn and would be unwelcome and vulnerable in every country. This means the end of the Jewish people and Judaism.

But as Jews, we are the only people who act against our own interests, Wiesenfeld admonished. He elaborated on the Jews’ historic love affair with the Democratic Party. Early in the last century, there were no answers for the downtrodden Jews of Eastern Europe who faced violent anti-Semitism on a daily basis. Marxism delivered a message of hope for the Jews. Here was an answer to save the Jews from their destiny of continuous persecution as they found a ticket to assimilation and acceptance in hostile societies embracing this new universal faith in the “Brotherhood of Man.” However the communists were no better for the Jews than any other tyrant. When they came to America, Jews all flocked to the Democratic Party, the Party of the downtrodden, taking the tenets of Marxism with them.  They voted for Roosevelt and embraced the labor union movement, the socialist platform, and the New Deal social reforms. Since then Jews have traditionally voted Democratic.

Tradition is the lifeblood of the Jewish people. Tradition held us together as a people through the 2000 year history of persecution in diaspora. But in America, this is one false tradition that should be discarded.  In a free market capitalist society where Jewish immigrants have enjoyed equal opportunities and have prospered, there’s no need to hang on to socialist traditions or the Democrat Party. This point was emphasized by Wiesenfeld’s reminder of the recent Democratic National Convention floor vote, which after three tries followed by boos and jeers, the majority of delegates resolved to reject Jerusalem as Israel’s indivisible capital.  “Those boos were for you! They don’t want your Israel,” he said.

Wiesenfeld blasted Obama’s cheerleading for the “Arab Spring” which turned into a nightmare for Israel. Today’s escalating chaos in the Middle East is the direct outcome of Obama’s foreign policy beginning with his Cairo speech of apologies for America, a show of appeasement to adversaries and weakness to the world. Obama worked against Mubarak, one of our allies, the same way in which Carter worked against the Shah of Iran and ushered in the Iranian Revolution and the tyrannical reign of the ayatollahs. We can’t have four more years of this nightmare for Israel.

During a heated question and answer period which reiterated many of the above points, Wiesenfeld called it “nourishkeit” responding to a question about whether Obama or Romney would be better for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He said that the Mideast is in flames and Islamism is on the rise and we are giving the Palestinians money and weapons to fight Israel. It is an irrelevant discussion now since we have no partner for peace. We can only work with partners who really want peace and Israel will never go back to the “Auschwitz borders,” of 1967 as a condition for negotiations. These remarks were greeted with rousing applause.

Fleshler summed up his arguments saying that Obama, while not perfect, is better for Israel’s security, grading him six out of ten points on his foreign policy. Like the cancer specialist who wouldn’t give up, Obama too will never give up trying to bring about negotiations for peaceful solutions, not just sit back like Romney saying it’s impossible. Fleshler claimed that Iran hasn’t made the determination to get nukes and America doesn’t want another war in the Middle East, which would be an all out conflagration worse than anything we’ve seen in Afghanistan or Iraq. Obama is now doing everything to prevent us from getting to that point. Obama’s policies will eventually solve the problem and save Israel. The moderate approach of the middle ground is the answer, not the extremist approach of the right wing settlers who burned down Palestinian olive groves. Fleshler cautioned that we should not trust Romney with his George W. Bush-like policies and his ties to Evangelical Christians. At this point, members of an outraged audience hissed and booed as one person called out “that is a lie” in reference to his remark about the burning of the olive groves, while another said “what about the Fogel family murdered in their sleep?” It has been documented that the destruction of olive groves belonging to Arab farmers have been planned actions executed by Arabs and anarchists seeking to blame Jews.

In his closing remarks, Wiesenfeld affirmed that Israel, America’s greatest ally, is a legitimate issue in this election. He said that giving Obama a grade of six out of ten in foreign policy is a failure in his book. He gives Romney a higher grade for offering superior executive credentials, a different approach to foreign affairs and leadership grounded in reality. Romney’s policies are guided by the fact that there can be no peace talks without true partners for peace. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Saeb Erekat, do not want peace with Israel. There can be no compromises with no one to talk to. The Jewish State faces an unprecedented opportunity for extinction. Romney would not fail to draw the “red line” on Iran’s nuclear enrichment program. The president has done nothing for the State of Israel. He did nothing for the Iranian people when they rose up against Ahmadinejad. Wiesenfeld’s concluded that Jewish voters had to affirm their inviolable connection with Israel and select the man best prepared to deal with the threats to her survival at a critical time when the Middle East is in flames and America’s greatest ally, Israel is in peril.


Phil Orenstein is the Machine Shop Manager at Orics Industries Inc., NY., formerly an adjunct lecturer on Computer Aided Manufacturing at Queensborough Community College. He is a Republican County Committeeman who blogs at Democracy-Project.com and a member of the National Conference on Jewish Affairs. Email: maduroman@att.net

  • Miriam

    Romney is much better for Israel. Obama hates the Jews and Israel.And by the way, the so called JStreet should be called I Street(Islamic street). Soros is acrually not Jewish, his mother was a Hungarian Catholic, who (according to his own statement) taught him to be an antisemite. Soros and his family helped the nazis to kill Hungarian Jews

    • Asher

      Romney is a balanced, even tempered, smart, Godly individual who is…may I stress this…A Normal Man!

      • amused

        Normal ? Mormon ? Flip -Flopper ? Liar ? yea ok Asher …….normal huh ?

        • aspacia

          unamusing, If I made your exact claim, but inserted Jewish instead of Mormon you would scream racism. Besides, Romney is not alcohol and drug addled like Zero and Wbya are.

          • amused

            First off the word would be ” Bigotry ” second of all you missed the point which does not surprise me at all .Since most of the enizens on this blog are claiming that they go by Judeo-Christian values , and that they stand for the GOOD , the HOLY and CHRISTIAN ways , well guess what Romney’s NOT a christian, not in any sense of the word , nor would he ever qualify as a Jew . Sorry you missed the sarcasm and the irony . Narrowmindedness will do that you know .As far as racism goes , I need not scream it , it’s been oozing out of the Republican Party for four years now , and unashamadly to boot . The slurs , innuendo, aspersions and code words notwithstanding .

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "As far as racism goes , I need not scream it , it's been oozing out of the Republican Party for four years now , and unashamadly to boot . The slurs , innuendo, aspersions and code words notwithstanding"

            If you hear the whistle, that makes you the dog.

          • amused

            No that makes you a schmuck a,k,a, Roger .

          • Mary Sue

            oh wow, the whole "Mormon's aren't Christian!" thing. *facepalm*

      • http://www.facebook.com/suhrud.patel Suhrud Patel

        Romney is not only better for israel but for whole world . Obama is closely related to muslim brotherhood, It is strange how Americans one of the wise races on the planet is still supporting the extremist(Obama)

        • deprogrammer

          Well, that slip about Americans being a "race" is very telling. Your thinking is a primitive mash of 19th century theories about every nation being a race. An outmoded idea that nation was race that only finds traction amongst the supremacist dregs of society.

          • Mary Sue

            no it probably means he's been watching a lot of American Dad

            "The Sun in the sky has a smile on his face, and he's shining a salute to the american race! Oh boy it's swell to say, GOODMORNING USA!"

    • Andy Lewis

      Actually the "J" in J Street is perfectly apt: It stands for Jim Baker.

    • amused

      Nobody's voting for those who contribute to the candidate are they ? If so take a look at the list of those who are contributing to Romney . If you think Obama HATES JEWS AND ISRAEL , then aside from you're skewed and parroted opinion , please provide some proof .

      • http://www.facebook.com/suhrud.patel Suhrud Patel

        Obama not only hates jews but he is sternly supporting countries like iran , egypt, libya ,

        • Sunbeam

          "Obama not only hates Jews but he is sternly supporting countries like Iran, Egypt, Libya.."

          Yeah, and Americans are still so blind to see this. Poor thing. Obama will always be loyal to his brotherhood……and this is a dangerous ground in that, America may be overwhelm by these very adverse element that might work to the destruction of the American nation.

        • Sol Landet

          Mussolibama is friend with mohammed morsi.

      • deprogrammer

        If you're asking for proof from good FPMers you will have to wait forever. Their concept of proof is belief. The mere act of believing something is true is good enough for the FPMer mind.

        • amused

          oh you got that right deprogrammer , these people have no existence outside their little echo chamber .

          • Mary Sue

            no you're the one in the echo chamber.

      • aspacia

        unamusing, Zero invited the MB into the White House. Their charter calls for the West's destruction. Zero ever talks about the misuse of the First Amendment. Zero is a thin-skinned fascist and dangerous.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "If you think Obama HATES JEWS AND ISRAEL , then aside from you're skewed and parroted opinion , please provide some proof"

        Rashid Khalidi
        Every foreign policy statement since inauguration day

        We don't expect you to wake up. Just thought I'd show we're listening to the lies still and will reply.

    • BUTSeriously

      Israel's destiny cannot be at the hands of either of these names. The truth is, Israel has seccumbed to a deathly 3-state, accounting it as a 2-state; and the genocide inspired transfer of the name Palestinian from Jews to those panting Israel's destruction. Rocket science what it means.

      Real Jews must work for the Balfour's restoration and a 2-state in Egypt for the Copts. Israel can give this land to create a Christian state, one which will buffer her from Egypt, while creating a real & true base for America and democrasy in this hellish region made into a sewer by regimes sitting on golden toilets for decades. Many Muslims will by thankful for such a future; many Muslims are 'coming out' when given the opportunity. The problem for Israel is coward Jews.

      • amused

        These people right here are the ones the jews have to worry about .

  • da

    Look at the muslim taqiyya… Obama in that offends me. The last thing he can tolerate as a muslim is a Jew. Look at the muslims chasing the police in several countries foolish enough to allow them in. Britain. Thats his vision for America. Destroyed by this pestilence called islam.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtct-z9JS8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doQQqmLdecU

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/denmark-police-

    • amused

      hey da , Obama;s not a muslim …..DUHHH ?

  • Herbster

    "Six out of ten" is a failing grade – I would mark obama down further – one out of ten. Too many Jews in this country do not practice the religion of Judaism, they practice what they see to be their true religion, liberalism. They ignore the sweep of history. They are of the ilk that would willingly sew a gold star on their clothing with the hope that if they "Behave," the tiger will eat them last. They have replaced Moses, David, Joshua, etc., with Woody Allen and Sarah Silverman. Fools. Don't they realize that the islamists want to do only one thing? Slit their throats. Was Daniel Pearl just "Collateral damage, a bump in the road, not optimal?"

    • Rosine Ghawji

      I agree totall with you. American jews are totally out of it… drugged… but it is their problem not our problem . I am so disgusted with the liberal jews it is not even funny. I feel sorry for the Israelis….. can you imagine more Bloomberg….. and Islam will prevail. If the jews do not see that Obama is promoting the islamic agenda… they have a problem Now as far as Romney is concerned, he has to learn about international politic .. it is for sure. What he said about Russia and Syria the other day was not really reflecting a solid knowledge of what is really going on.
      To want to lead the world is ok but when you have an economy at zero and you owe money to China like there is no tomorrow,,,,, it is financially impossible to lead….. 2 if you want to spread your values ….. first requirement is to have some to spread. >>> what do we have to offer so far…. a sense of freedom that is more like anarchy…. a low education level … a hign percentage of drug and alcohol addicts… abortion right and left,,,, gay marriage…judicial corruption…. a long list that might not be welcome in some countries where money might be scarce but family and traditional values are stronger.

  • Asher

    If the Jews haven't learned anything from Obama's Presidency that has created hardship, collapse, and division for Americans and Jews, then there is no hope for them.

    • Julian

      I would observe – how many Jews changed their opinion about Obama in last four years – that's how many smart Jews exist (plus, of course, who did not vote form him first time)

    • Mary Sue

      I think there's a lingering fear, precipitated by the Holocaust and the whole Nazi extermination plot, that pushes the buttons of Jews into being scared away from voting for anyone that is presented as far-right by the Democrat attack ads or left-leaning religious leaders. So for years, liberal Jews have been voting far left because they think this is their best defense against another Holocaust, and that "right wing = nazi".

      Sort of ironic, isn't it, that it's the Far Left that is now far more antisemitic than the mainstream Right Wing?

      • Sol Landet

        Except from nazifascism, i saw that usually right wing is pro-jews, while left wing is anty-jew

  • Ar'nun

    Fleshler is what is wrong with our people. Once I read J Street, I knew he was a lying POS. I believe all Jews like this guy should be sent here to Israel and live through the constant attacks on civilians. After a month he will be begging Obama to step down.

    • deprogrammer

      Or they will see the sheer stupidity of holding a people captive, bombing them with abandon and then screaming about every act of retaliation as though it had no context at all. I, and anyone who is actually interested, can easily find out about the Israeli peace movement that would like to see some actual stability rather than a balance of terror.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "holding a people captive, bombing them with abandon and then screaming about every act of retaliation as though it had no context at all"

        You've been watching fiction again. We're talking about factual events.

  • pierce

    This isn't even a horse race, Romney by a mile.

  • NomoreB

    Obama even didn't come for a meeting with Netanyahu.

  • Bert

    We Jews have been cursed by treacherous leaders from biblical times. They tried to get rid of Moses and to sabotage the whole idea of the Promised Land with 10 out of the 12 spies who reported back that it was a bad idea. Our leaders betrayed us by sabotaging Herzl, collaborating with the Nazis in 1933 (read The Transfer Agreement by Edwin Black), supporting Stalin's efforts to destroy Judaism in Russia, sabotaging the Bergson Group in WWII, and placing loyalty to left wing Democrats above Jewish survival. Today two thirds of U.S. Jews have sold out and support Obama who is a Muslim with deep animosity toward America and Israel and deep support for the Muslim Brotherhood. Gentile friends and supporters of Israel are understandably confused and should be made aware of this Jewish sickness that afflicts most U.S. Jews. President Nixon had contempt for U.S. Jews and respect for Israel whom he had to rescue from Henry Kissinger's treachery in the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

    • Mary Sue

      Can you verify that the far left jewish leaders at least play upon the fears of the common Jew of another Holocaust to convince them to vote far left?

  • Moishe Pupick

    F., 10/26/12 common era

    Whoever wins the presidency, Israel must start to plan to strike Iran by itself. Time is essential. Obviously, Romney is by far the better choice; but Israel's overdependence on the U.S. must stop.

    As for the Reformers in their "temple," Reform "Judaism" is a product of the French Enlightenment.
    It was designed to reduce, if not entirely eliminate, antisemitism, by making Jewish religious practices
    more closely resemble Protestant Christian ones, and this reformation began in dear old Deutschland.

    I never learned in Reform "Sunday school" (sic) that only 20% of the Egyptian Jews left with Moses for the Promised Land. I guess that the Reform "rabbis" don't learn that unsettling fact.

    • amused

      Uh …not quite Moishe , it began after the French Revolution , the Jews no longer had to wear patches and live in ghettos , there were able to move about like the rest of the citizens. That came to an end after the defeat of Napolean , Jews lost their right in several countries . It was a survival technique, for as I'm sure you must know Jews were blamed for the Plague and Blood Libels were in fashion .There were therefore many Cryptic Jews who pretended Christianity to survive Inquisitions . For a jew you're a pretty cynical guy Moishe regarding your fellow jews .And your attempt to extrapolate your "history lesson " to an analogy with why Jews today vote Democrat is nothing but NONSENSE .

      BTW Moishe if your looking to add a Jewish touch to your date, its : 10 Cheshvan 5773

    • Mary Sue

      At least Canada has Israel's back. For serious. Not like Obama's fake having Israel's back.

  • bkopicz

    Dan Fleshler and Debbie Wasserman Schultz have placed their allegiants to the Democratic Party well above their country or religion. Their only purpose is so Obama can point to then and say – see I have Jewish friends.

    Fleshler, Wasserman Schultz, Finkelstein, Chomsky, Falk, Atzmon, ….etc although Jewish do not have Jew’s or America’s best interest at heart. They use their ancestral history worse then a whore applies her trade.

    • LEE

      What you have mentioned is the same as Biden and the HHS secretary who placed they allegiance to the Democratic Party well above their religion. Their only purpose is so Obama can point to them and say, "See I have some Catholic friends who believe as I do".

      To my Jewish brothers: you aren't the only ones who Obama is trying leave in his wake. But hopefully Catholics and Jews alike will VOTE that vile and corrupt man out of office for ALL our good.

  • Western Spirit

    Place compassion for the downtrodden in your Jewish values list. The time has come for Jews to apply this compassion to Israel and themselves by recognizing their true friends and stop with the stupid analogizes that muddy the issue.

    I have a tale about how Jewish compassion saved me that I want to share with you.

    There was a time I was so miserable I went to a therapist. The therapist told me there was
    nothing wrong with me, that’s why I’d sought him. I was just in a miserable relationship.
    In high school my miserable relationship had been a dreamboat with dimples, long lashes, green eyes and black hair. Plus he was a quarterback, valedictorian, prom king and voted the most likely to succeed. Someone any silly 16-year-old girl would be crazy about and we eloped.

    He had hated his stepmother but when I divorced my dreamboat, who’d become a garbage scow— rotten, that’s when his hatred of women really cut loose. Because my then ex-husband, stuffed my court record with crap he’d made up and then made a charge I had to answer in court where he’d confront me with his fables. He “courted” me more after we were divorced than before we were married. And I couldn’t afford court. The court clerks thought my ex was an attorney so he got away with stuffing my record. While I didn’t know what my problem was.

    He was also secretly stalking me and causing trouble wherever I went. For instance I joined NOW because of the prejudice I was running into as a single woman. He secretly joined Now too. And his secret membership in NOW got me kicked out of NOW. The head of the Domestic Relations court obviously found him attractive and useful in stuffing other people’s court records, too, and I was expendable. In addition I lost my job because of his behind my back shenanigans. The boss didn’t want trouble.

    Placing me in a desperate situation because my ex didn’t pay child support either, he’d bribed someone in the system. And I was told he could still have his visitation rights, whether he paid support or not because —one thing had nothing to do with the other.
    But it did. He complained the children weren’t dressed up when they visited him and so off go court we went and I ended up with another court ordered expense. For when I dressed them up they came back with ruined clothes.

    My situation was I was trying to learn to swim with 3 children hanging onto my neck while a maniac was attempting to drown me. At least he didn’t pull an O.J. he was too middle class to even hit a woman but he could destroy one through chicanery, no problem. Thank goodness the maniac had “class”.

    It was my bleakest moment when a Jewish friend, that I didn’t know was a Jew because the subject never came up, introduced me to another Jew she said could help me.
    The Jew who came to my rescue became my husband and he was a Godsend who saved us all. The court was my nemesis that he neutralized and my ex became just a well-chewed piece of gum stuck to the bottom of my shoe that he scrapped off.

    Fortunately for the kids and me my Jewish husband was tough, bright and highly moral, an Israeli said he was typical of Israelis, even though he didn’t believe in God— at the time. I was a nurturer, not good at discipline. So he disciplined my unruly kids and became the father they never had.

    At least my ex and I had made beautiful kids biologically and consequently due to their real true father, the one that raised them; my kids are now educated to the hilt and responsible adults paying high taxes. So place sympathy, or even empathy for the oppressed in your Jewish values list, values of at least some Jews that they now need to apply to themselves and Israel instead of believing ill conceived analyzes.

    BTW While married to an uncircumcised husband I had many pre-cancerous lesions burned off my cervix that ceased; I had nary a lesion while married to my Jew in a relationship that lasted twice as long as my first one and would be lasting still if he hadn’t been taken from me.

    • Mary Sue

      that is an amazing story. *hug* Totally puts the lie to the antisemites that talk trash about Jews.

  • Amused

    Uh……Western Spirit ….you still need a therapist ….and a good Gynocologist …..besides that , I think you shared abit too much information . Please keep the condition of your vaginal orifice to yourself .

    • Western Spirit

      Circumcision was dismissed on this blog as being unnecessary. My personal experience is that it is highly important.

      I debated about saying so and decided to go with the truth. After all this is anonymous.

      • Western Spirit

        Sorry for offending your sensitivity. Just kidding. No, I don't.

        • amused

          I wasn't kidding either , if you got lesions , it had more to do with how many partners you had rather than whether the ONE you maried was circumcised or not . And personally who gives a rats-arse . Go out and buy a bidet . it may help

          • Western Spirit

            Sorry wrong again. I was also highly moral like my Jew. i didn't have multiple partners.

          • Western Spirit

            Morals are the reason Romney leaves Obama in the dust and makes him a far better choice for Israel. Americans make fun of morals at their peril because morals make people what they are trustworthy or not trustworthy and set the scene for everything else.

            For instance if I had been immoral, and brought the lesions on myself, my ex wouldn't have had to insert lies into my court record. And morals attracted like to like and a moral man came to my rescue.

          • amused

            " highly moral like my jew" ….."ex inserted lies into your court record "……….??? So you married an immoral guy , uncircumcised no less and he gave you lesions ? And you use this soap opera to make comparisons and a lesson for jews who vote for Obama .
            How absurd . Go write a paperback novel .

    • Western Spirit

      And stop demeaning my sexuality. My sexually went in while (apparently) yours went out. That doesn't make you superior it only makes you different.

      • amused

        Demeaning your what ? Sexuality ? That's anatomy sexual habits and hygene , not sexuality . If you want to use your " vaginal lesions " , poor choice of husnbands, and soapbox stories ,as some sort of strange comparison of jews , in an ill-concieved political argument , go ahead and make a fool of yourself .It's a free country . I'm free to criticize it . And please try to make a sentence that is coherent . And leave your gonads out of it .

        • Western Spirit

          Okay to make it simple for you and use terms you can understand. I'm an in-ny while you are an out-ty that only makes us different. And thank goodness for any difference between the two of us.

          But try again its fun outwitting a half-wit.

          • amused

            No doubt you are an in-ny , because that's what you're talking out of . You must be short on your prozac , go out and re-up that presciption .

  • amused

    According to Ehud Barak , Israeli General , Defense Minister , Prime Minister , Obama 's the best US president for Israel in the last three decades [ his words ] .

    I guess Ehud Barak is a leftist wanting to destroy Israel too huh ?

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "I guess Ehud Barak is a leftist wanting to destroy Israel too huh ?"

      Simpleton, he's a leftist politician. Israel has a radical left wing, just like your moronic buddies.

    • chaim from the bronx

      precisely. a leftist idiot who wants to destroy Israel. good, you're learning. keep it up.

    • Lady_Dr.

      Ehud Barak is considered by most Israelis as nothing but a thug. He is a leftest, and there are a lot of leftests in Israel who like all leftest are angry, bitter people who are historically ignorant.

      An archtypical leftest is Ted Turner who protested loud and hard to get the US out of Viet Nam. When confronted with the fact that once the USA left the country it was taken over by communist thugs who murder multitudes, his reply was "I never thought about that." Typical leftest, they never think things through.

      • amused

        Thank you Lady_Dr for expressing your ignorance of Israel , it's politics and it's Generals .And the stupidity of attempting a comparison with the silver-spoon fed egotist Turner . You really are as sytupid as you sound .

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "You really are as sytupid as you sound"

          Ditto for you.

          • amused

            go get a room with western spirit …as she says "like for like " two neurotic imbeciles .

  • bkopicz

    Dan Fleshler and Debbie Wasserman Schultz have placed their allegiants to the Democratic Party well above their country or religion. Their only purpose is so Obama can point to then and say – see I have Jewish friends.

    Fleshler, Wasserman Schultz, Finkelstein, Chomsky, Falk, Atzmon, ….etc although Jewish do not have Jew’s or America’s best interest at heart.

  • T. Collins

    I do not know history, but the Jewish people always voting Democrat in the last how many decades; just astounds me… did any literate person hear of or read the Dem. platform for this election? You might be a liberal, but that does not mean you have to be insane. With Obarma, the status quo is a thing of the past and the new political winds are blowing, right into the hands of the followers of the 7th century, finger chopping, beheading, lying, so-called prophet madman called Morhamid. D. Horowitz was right in his book, Did Mo exist? If he did exist, he and his ideology were straight from the pit of hell. Look at the suffering and poverty it has caused through the centuries. Wake up, America.

    • amused

      You're right , you don't know history …regarding Jews OR the Conservative Party.

    • Mary Sue

      all they need to hear is that Bush is Hitler and they're scared away for life. The whole WWII thing evokes strong feelings, and these can be exploited if the Republicans are turned into Hitler for them in their eyes. Plus some of them are liberal socially and economically so those people would not likely vote for any but a RINO anyway because they are into the social justice and believe the Republicans want to starve the poor, ban homosexuality, keep women barefoot pregnant and in the kitchen and tear down all the abortion clinics, etc.

      The irony being is the Muslim Brotherhood et al are FAR WORSE than anything they imagined the Republicans would do.

  • Ghostwriter

    I'm amazed Slugmotion isn't here. He'd have a field day with one of his sickening rants.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Peace for Israel can not be negotiated, won, bought or received, peace for Israel must
    be imposed and force is the only answer in the World that will do it, there is no other
    way……………………………….William

    • Sunbeam

      Peace for Israel can not be negotiated, won, bought or received, peace for Israel must be imposed and force is the only answer in the World that will do it, there is no other way.

      Yes agreed. The enemies are as greedy and hostile as ever, wanting more and more, even more have been given, but still not enough and want still more. Their objective is to claim the whole Jewish land and make it to be theirs. That is the whole bottom line to all their motives. They would never rest satisfied until they got the whole land to themselves and that would mean the extinction of the Jewish race and home which has been theirs for thousands of years in history. The enemies have far too long been pampered by the World. The World have been deceived by their lies and deceits so much so they got Scott free of every violent act they insinuated. The real injury party is of course not them, though they pretended to be, but was Israel whom they perpetuated. This is the actual scenario.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Peace for Israel can not be negotiated, won, bought or received, peace for Israel must
      be imposed and force is the only answer in the World that will do it, there is no other
      way"

      That's actually true for all sovereigns. The distinction with Israel is that it's located near the seed of the abomination known to all the world as the "religion of peace." It's also inhabited by the chief scapegoats named by that same "religion of peace."

    • aspacia

      Yes, the Muslims continually call for her destruction; there can be no peaceful resolution.

  • amused

    Agreed William , absolutely correct .

    • WilliamJamesWard

      I wish it were not so, it is a great cause of sadness……………….William

      • amused

        We're in a World of sadness William . And it really isn't going to get better no matter who's elected .

  • Sonja Silipino

    Anyone, who seriously believes that barack o'bama has a plan to peacefully model an honorable
    solution to the conflicts between Israel and the Arab states, might want to sit down and re-think
    their conclusions. I saw what Dachau looked like before the Germans prettied it up and made a museum out of it. I'm sure everyone remembers'Dachau' that was the place where, 'work will set you
    free'. I grieved for people that day, that was probably dead before I was even born. I started to study
    and try to understand Judism. The first thing I learned is that in order to be a true believer in God one has
    to respect and love the Jewish people and Israel. As a proud American, I am ashamed of barack o'bama for the shameless way he has treated and disrespected Israel.

    • amused

      You mean the way Obama has been portrayed , in your brainwashed republican rhetoric , NOT in reality . But REALITY is not an option in the republican diatribes and LIES .
      IF you were a " true believer in G_D , one woiuld think that you would atleast strive for truth .And that can easily be done by seeking the FACTS , and not swallowing the vile potion provided by your partisan polityical idealogues .

      • objectivefactsmatter

        How is the weather in the land of delusion you live in?

        • amused

          your tag's an oxymoron ……you do realize that …..dont you ?

  • Sonja Silipino

    When confronted with the truth
    he tried to lie and slick his way out of it. I am convinced that he is a muslim and has no heart, love or
    respect for anyone other than the koran and his fellow muslims. I find it difficult to understand how any
    person of the Hebrew faith could really believe his propaganda. If barack o'bama is crass enough to
    create such havoc in his own 'alleged' country and ask for four more years to do more damage,how
    could anyone expect him to give time and help to other nations problems?

    • amused

      If you think Obama is a muslim and has no heart , than you are just too ignorant to even listen to the truth . And THAT ignorance is self-imposed therefore allowing you no excuse . You will remain ignorant . If you dont like Obama that's fine , but atleast base your conclusion on Fact not republican lies meant exactly for people like you , too lazy to seek out the facts in earnest .

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "If you think Obama is a muslim and has no heart , than you are just too ignorant to even listen to the truth"

        Clueless, did you know that it's perfectly acceptable for a Muslim to declare belief in Christianity when there is a chance to somehow advance Islam? Well, Islam has done very well under Obama, nobody can argue that point. In his "heart" he might be thinking of "Isa" when he tells you about his Christianity. That means Islam.

        Second point is that according to Sharia, Obama is either a Muslim, or a Muslim apostate. Take your pick. I can't say for sure, but just because he doesn't meet YOUR definition for a Muslim (and who cares about that?), doesn't mean other references to the facts about Obama are wrong. He literally is a Muslim according to Sharia, which means according to any other Muslim.

        Is he an apostate or a stealth operator? Nobody here knows. But you acting like it's paranoia or bigotry, are terribly naive or stupid.

    • Lady_Dr.

      The thing is Sonja, these people are Jews only because their ancestors were. Their faith is liberalism – I am not that knowledgeable about Judaism but frankly nearly all Reform Jews are even less knowledgeable than I am. Next time you meet a Jew ask them what they learned the last time they were in a synagogue, or from the last religious holiday. If they are Reform it will be some social action something – and they probably won't know if Moses came before or after Abraham. If the person is Conservative the answer should be a little better, and the Orthodox will blow you away because they will know more than you ever imagined possible.
      Most Jews in America were Reform, but the demographics are changing. The Reform didn't have children, and many of the children they did have found it so hollow they have become Orthodox – in another 10 years Judaism in America will be serious and religious and will be unlike the Judaism of 10 years ago, frivious, shallow, and obsessed with social action.

      • amused

        oh look ! another two non-jews who are experts on jews , and actually take themselves seriously. No doubt both of you are alleged or so called christians . And you two will determine how jews are to practice their faith ?
        .

  • Sunbeam

    All Obama cares is not to offend the Muslim world while his first reaction in any eventuality is to immediately make appeasement to them which makes America looks weak, guilty and shameful. Did you see he cares for Israel? No! His action doesn't justify that. The way he does and directs affairs shows his partiality and bias approach. He can't be trusted for another four more years as this will lead America and its people to a dangerous dead end with a very bleak and dark future ahead. We do not wish this to happen. It will be too high a risk to take. He's not pro Israel, neither can he be a pro Israel at all due to the fact the root where he came from and stems from. America must not risk itself this time taking into consideration the vast aspects of bias- stands and policies that might affect the country gravely and its people as a whole. We do dread this.

  • pierce

    Now it is can reworded, this headline "WHO IS BETTER FOR ISRAEL", TO WHO IS BETTER FOR AMERICA. THE ANWER IS THE SAME AS BEFORE, ROMNEY IS BETTER, AND TWICE AS HONEST AS STINKY.
    WE HAVE BEEN DISGRACED BY BARACK OBAMA.

    • amused

      You have Pierce , not " WE " . And that proverbial " WE " is composed of people like you who would have animus towards Obama no matter what he did or said . Nothing like having hatefull bigotry and racism as your guide HuH Pierce ?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "people like you who would have animus towards Obama no matter what he did or said"

        Jack off, how would you know that? You are a complete bigot to make such sweeping statements like that. The worst president in modern history, and you talk about theories you have no way to know.

        I was supportive of Obama at first. I thought even if he's mediocre, just tolerating him will unite the nation. Then his divisive nature went in to effect. He did the opposite of what he said he'd do (what he said in public) regarding many ideas he had to unite our nation. What a miserable failure at even the tasks he had his best shot at performing well.

        It only got worse from there. Talking about theories like "even if he did a good job" at this point is so absurd.

        "Nothing like having hatefull bigotry and racism as your guide HuH Pierce ?

        Grow up mr. delusional. Was there ever any chance someone identifying himself as a minority would not be defended by empty rhetoric like yours in the event of failure? In your case, I doubt it. You are the predictable one here. And fixating on racial identity as you do is what defines racism, racist.

        • amused

          How would I know that ? You shiiithead that's pretty darn easy ….just listen to you hatefull morons .You started the day after he was elected BEFORE he took OFICE . Do you think you jerks have been operating in a vacuum ? Starting with Blimpy Limbaugh and Tea Party asssholes , you little rhetoric brainwashed parrots have been chirping in unisom . Please understand , not everyone is as dumb , gullable ,and ignorant as you .

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "just listen to you hatefull morons .You started the day after he was elected BEFORE he took OFICE"

            From the dog that runs for each "whistle," of course you imagine this.

            "brainwashed parrots have been chirping in unisom"

            Are they now asleep in dreamland with you?

            "Please understand , not everyone is as dumb , gullable ,and ignorant as you"

            Accidental irony is so funny.

          • amused

            do you have any thoughts of your own? are you able to construct a cogent sentence ?
            Oh wait ! you ARE a parrot .

      • aspacia

        unamusing, you too are a bigot against Mormons. Me, have have no skin in any religion and only act on my concept of morally right and evil, and frankly Zero is evil. He is the first president that has truly frightened me, especially with the government's recent, large purchase of cop killer ammo and military grade armaments for our government enforcement agencies. Additionally, he is being sued by our Border Patrol for his illegal, and unconstitutional stand regarding enforcing our long standing federal laws.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "unamusing, you too are a bigot against Mormons"

          Christians teach and preach. Fakers exercise collectivism and have handy excuses, like the deluded fool you referred to.

          Collectivism = bigotry

        • amused

          I guess it wouldn't take too much to scare a paranoid moron like you ./ "bigot against mormons" ? Well how could I expect such a low mentality to pick up on the sarcasm and irony , as is found in Republicans co-opting Judeo-Christian values with their candidate while at the same time rejecting Obama's public confession of Christ as his Savior , yet the claims he is muslim persist , soley for the sake of partisan politics and personal animus ,while Mormonism is in fact a pagan cult . P.S. if you had any brains , and that is a BIG IF , then you would hae followed up on that tory of the Governments purchase of ammunition , but you're too brainwashed, lazy and stupid to fact check it . As far as the Border goes , I dont think Obama's doing enough , but he's doing far more than the Bush Admin ever did . So go check out that ammo story , or remain wallowing in your gullable ignorance.

          • amused

            BTW , that was for Aspacia as well as you mr.Objectivefactsmatter , you both are equally ignorant and uninformed , beside you sound alot like another fool I have had to smack down -Roger a.k.a. Rogo-poo .

          • aspacia

            Fallacious ad hom attacks do not help your now lost credibility. I have not claimed he is of any faith, so quit howling like the dog that has been hit. If Mormonism is a cult, then all of Christianity is a pagan cult. You can leave Mormonism without death threat, albeit you cannot leave Islam without fear for your life.

            Try providing valid support before spilling your venom to regain your credibility.

            Without regard, appreciation, nor respect

            aspacia
            Deist.

          • amused

            Credibility amongst the likes of most here is a meaningless word , and the notion that in your eyes I have lost mine is even more meaningless as far as I'm concerned .For the very word "credibility " has absolutely no meaning with brainwashed , deluded ,and highly gullable sycophants . I have no respect for such people ,only pity .You've rejected critical thinking and given yourselves over to your own delusions and animus toward anyone who doesn't follow locksteps to your views . Need I tell you were you can stick your regard appreciation and respect ??

          • aspacia

            "and the notion that in your eyes I have lost mine is even more meaningless as far as I'm concerned ." Then why reply to my critique? Again your stereotype–remember I am a Deist, Feminist, Goy, Zionist and prochoice and progay rights.

  • BUTSeriously

    Anyone working for a Palestinian state is working for Israel's destruction. Serial 2-state demands in the same tiny land every 50 years = GENOCIDE. Britain's creation of the fictitious state of Jordan and the White Paper caused the Holocaust, and remains the worst Post-W.W.II crime of all. It is not possible any honest person can be confused, a symdrome that makes the Nazis more honest.

    • aspacia

      BUT, you do not know history by obviously making such a fallacious claim about the cause of the Holocaust.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        There was no single cause. The holocaust had many causes, and many opportunities to avoid it were not taken. That much is too true.

        • aspacia

          The main cause is xenophobia, the fear and suspicion of the other. Jews have been persecuted for several millenia by most groups from Russian, Poles, Saudis, Iranians, English, German et al, probably because of their economic success, hard work and education. They thrive and others are jealous. Just look at Israel compared to the sewer countries that surround her.

          • amused

            Fools ….jew hate is a disease of the soul , spiritual in its nature .That's what caused the slaughter at Medina , the Blood Libels of Europe , the Inquisitions , the Pogroms of Russia , The Holocaust , and the unmitigated hatred by muslims ……..and what some of you are dispalying in your parsing of Jews according to their political positions .

          • aspacia

            I am happy you said "some" instead of sterotyping all fp bloggers. There is still hope for you.

  • amused

    But Seriously ? What a name for someone who spews revisionist fractured faireytales ! Go gt an education you meatball .

    • objectivefactsmatter

      Prove it. He's quite right and you're an absolute moron who can only take simple dichotomies and claim the polar opposite of the truth.

  • Western Spirit

    Amused, you are deluded. Take the log out of your own eyes and then you will be able to take the spic out of ours.

    • amused

      I guess you're no good at reading comprehension either , eh Western Spirit ? Or is it just cattyness because of my previous criticism of your soap-a-dopes ? READ WHAT THE MORON WROTE ,before you open your mouth .

      • objectivefactsmatter

        Amused tactics = invert truth

      • Western Spirit

        As a Matter of fact my reading comprehension is so good I was reading adult books at age eight. Going straight from Dick and Jane to fighting with the librarian to take out the books I was reading.

        And no matter what the "moron" said from all of your correspondence its easy to see you don't see so good.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "As a Matter of fact my reading comprehension is so good I was reading adult books at age eight."

          Most 6-year-olds can do that, and they don't think much about it.

          "Going straight from Dick and Jane to fighting with the librarian to take out the books I was reading"

          When my teacher showed our class, "Fun with Dick and Jane" I denounced it as a test to see if we were paying attention to the moral of the story from "The Emperor's New Clothes." It turns out not many kids had read that one, and I was wrong on that point. She was serious about the book though. I could have recited the entire book 30 seconds after my first viewing, but so what?

          What matters is how intelligent you are now, not kudos you may or may not have earned that after all, may have merely been said to enhance your "self esteem."

          Thanks for the laugh though.

        • Western Spirit

          The librarian couldn't seem to grasp a simple concept. If I wasn't getting anything out of the books I wouldn't have taking them out.

          She had a typical totalitarian mindset that couldn't see individuality so she made life difficult trying to tell me what I could understand.

          • Western Spirit

            BTW My daughter was reading by age two. She was reading billboards and correcting me when I skipped part of a story she was reading along with me. And I agree all kids do that so what? And take that!

            This blog is anonymous so I could care less about your opinion or the sore spot in you I'd inadvertently stepped on. I was making a point to someone who needed it and needed many other points as well.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      He's totally deranged.

      • amused

        oh look , dumb and dumber…. .read the post dufus . If you think Britains creation of the "fictitious State of Jordan " caused the Holocaust ……..then you're an IDIOT . Oh well , you can't fix stupid .

        • Western Spirit

          If Jordan exits as a state it isn't ''fictional". So quit calling other people names demeaning their IQ's.

          But finally we agree on something. You can't fix stupid so I'm not going to even try.

          • amused

            I see yiu're speaking out of you " Inny " again . You still can't read huh miss Gonads ? I'll give you one more chance to prove you're not a catty moron- The post above read -QUOTE :

            " Britain's creation of the fictitious state of Jordan and the White Paper caused the Holocaust, and remains the worst Post-W.W.II crime of all. It is not possible any honest person can be confused, a symdrome that makes the Nazis more honest. " -ENDQUOTE

            Now f you agree with that statement ….then you are as big a moron as the one who maded it . Go ahead read it ….and if the shoe fits …..

          • amused

            Yea you "read adult books " that doesn't mean you comprehended what you read , and how old are you now ? You still cant comprehend a simple paragraph . But you know , that would explain that ludicrous point you were attempting to make with your "lesions " or lack thereof ? Pssst ….your neurosis is showing .

          • Western Spirit

            Eewwoo, I’m sorry I ever started with this creep. He’d make anyone look bad just answering him. He’s disgusting not clever.

          • amused

            In other words Western Spirit , you admit that you did comprehend the statement I was replying to and you're an idiot . Thank you .

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Coming from your world of inversion, I'm honored by the statement.

          • amused

            Ok Roger , gameover , I figured you'd realize tat you got smacked down and made a fool of yourself , so now you're back doing just that which you falsely accused me of – multiple names . I had you pinned the moment you opened your muth Rogo-poo .. Go getb a room with Western Spirit….just make sure you both have a good supply of prozac .

          • amused

            One good thing though , I dont have to look at your mug anymore : )

  • watsa46

    The unshakable relation is not the doing of the Democrats Jews!
    Shame on Fleshler: Obama long before being elected had a strong anti IL, pro Muslim and anti American agenda. Not so for Romney.
    Anti Zionism is a core value of the SD as long as oil and gas are needed.
    Four year of experience in ME politics is a stupid and nonsensical pseudo argument.
    Obama had no experience in governing and still shows that he has not learned his lesson!
    The majority of American Jews (demo) considers IL as a major headache.

  • Palestine2020

    You Israel-firsters never cease to disgust me. You do know that Obama and Romney are running for President of the United States, right? And yet all you care about is who's better for "Israel." You and I both know that regardless of who wins, you Zionazis will maintain your insidious stranglehold on American politics; you win either way, while we, the patriotic citizens of America who place America first, inevitably lose. You're a disgrace to this country. I'd tell you to move to "Israel," but you have no more right to inhabit land rightfully belonging to the Palestinian people than you do living here in America. Fortunately, the Apartheid State's days are numbered; Jews are leaving "Israel" in record numbers. Palestine will once again be free, and there's nothing you can do about it.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "You Israel-firsters never cease to disgust me. You do know that Obama and Romney are running for President of the United States, right?"

      Discussing a topic doesn't make it the most important litmus test. On the other hand, even if they do consider it to be, foreign policy is by far the most critical role of a modern president and using Israel as a litmus test makes sense for EVERY American who knows foreign policy and who isn't a bigot.

      So-called "Israel-firsters" have no conflicts with the interests of the USA. If that every happens, I'll be among the first to discuss it. I know of no conflicts of interest.

      Maybe some day we'll have a choice between a president who loves China and Israel and another who hates both, then we'll worry about which is best.

      Right now, we have a package deal where one party wants to destroy American hegemony and the other wants to preserve it. American global hegemony is a lost cause without a strong Israel in this day and age.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "You and I both know that regardless of who wins, you Zionazis"

      Thanks for outing yourself so clearly.

      "will maintain your insidious stranglehold on American politics"

      Like an octopus, right. Don't you wish you could publish Nazi-era cartoons about Jews here? Never mind OPEC and CAIR. It's all about those Jews controlling everything.

      " I'd tell you to move to "Israel," but you have no more right to inhabit land rightfully belonging to the Palestinian people than you do living here in America"

      Really? I'd say their rights are infinitely greater than yours. What's your justification to live anywhere? Put up or shut up.

      "Palestine will once again be free, and there's nothing you can do about it."

      When Islam is destroyed, "Palestine" will be free and democratic. Right now, all we have is Israel as an oasis in the vast hellhole created by you. You can't even come up with your own name for the region but want instead invent history that seems plausible to the uneducated. It won't work forever. As you said, Palestine will once again be free, as only Israel is now.

    • aspacia

      You do not know history. Romney will be better for the USA and the world's economy, just as Jews generally are great innovators.

    • Ghostwriter

      Your screenname says it all. Another anti-semitic slug who's come to spread more hate and filth on this website.

    • Mary Sue

      What kind of apartheid is it that gives gay rights to the people? That has arabs serving in the Knesset? That is actually a FREE country, unlike EVERY OTHER country in the middle east? Answer me that.

      There are no "palestinian" people. That is a fiction created by the invading arab armies as a result of the 1967 war. They are displaced Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, etc. The Jews have ancient rights to the land, and even if you don't recognize the rights of the Ashkenazim, the Sephardim definitely belong there. Either way I doubt you give a flying rear end about the Sephardim.

      Palestine "free"? I guess that depends on what your definition of the word "is" is. Because your definition of free is definitely a frankenstein genetically modified definition that doesn't match the dictionary definition in any way shape or form. Arabs are more free in Israel than they ever were in any surrounding Arab country.

      Pardon us if we're concerned about the fate of the ONLY properly free democratic country in that entire region, ok? You wouldn't know what freedom was if it bit you on the behind.

  • amused

    Palestine2020 [not gonna happen] the citizens of this coiuntry have a right to have a say in it's foreign policy . I didn't particularly like it when the palestinians cheered on 9/11, but then again I didn't like Munich , or all the hijackings , nor do I like their cowardly slaughter of Israelis . I don't like the 36,000 acts of terror perpetrated on Israel since 1948 by Palestinians . I Dont like their lies about the temple Mount, I dont like what they teach their children oor how they faked deaths in Jenin or the phony Mohamed Al-Dura science fiction . Palestinians are living soley by the grace of a civilised nation called Israel , anyone else would have wiped them out long ago .Palestinians dont deserve a state they deserve a CAGE .

  • Amused

    And BTW Palestine 2020 [in your pipe dreams ] I dont particularly like Romney , but it matters not whether Obama or Romney gets elected as far as being an ALLY OF ISRAEL AND SUPPORTING ISRAEL , for both are following THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS . If Palestinians want sympathy , let them look elsewhere . Of the Republican and Democratic Parties ……NEITHER SUPPORT YOU . NOR WILL THEY

  • Nobama Yo Mamma

    I will never understand the right wing's obsession with Israel. They are not our friends, and in many ways they control our foreign policy.

  • amused

    Israel does not control US foreign policy , no moe than an ally like Canada or the U.K. The difference is that those two stawart allies are not surrounded by enemies bent on destroying them . Israel is , and the American people to varying degrees of 60 to 85 % favor a US foreign Policy supportive of Israel , and express that sentiment by way of the vote .
    So suck it up freind , this will not change , no matter who wins the election . Ignore the totally partisan rhetoric found here ,it's a matter of not having control , a blackman in the White House and the right's delusion that virtually half the country are "leftists " bent on destroying the US and Israel . They couldn't be more wrong but no one will ever convince them of that .

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Israel does not control US foreign policy , no moe than an ally like Canada or the U.K. The difference is that those two stawart allies are not surrounded by enemies bent on destroying them . Israel is , and the American people to varying degrees of 60 to 85 % favor a US foreign Policy supportive of Israel , and express that sentiment by way of the vote"

      I gave you a "thumb's up" for that first paragraph…

      "this will not change , no matter who wins the election . Ignore the totally partisan rhetoric found here ,it's a matter of not having control , a blackman in the White House and the right's delusion that virtually half the country are "leftists " bent on destroying the US and Israel . They couldn't be more wrong but no one will ever convince them of that"

      But really the second paragraph proves you didn't earn it at all. Just like your "kudos" about reading comprehension on the basis of you fighting with the librarian over "Barney's Friends" or some other "adult" book.

      • amused

        Look , you're a brainwashed schmuck , admit it man . How presumptious of you to think I really give a F–K about yours or anyone elses thumbs up ? It's really a sight to see when people start believing their own bulllsssheeet . . In fact as pathetic as you are , I'm Amused . And Rogo-poo,you shoulda picked a different tag " objectivefactsmatter " …oh really ?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "How presumptious of you to think I really give a F–K about yours or anyone elses thumbs up ?"

          How presumptuous of you to think I care about your idiotic claim about fighting with librarians and its relationship to your supposed superior reading comprehension.

  • amused

    You're a schmuck , admit it , and deal with it . And yes , you truly are a trained parrot . Go crawl up your butt and disappear meatball .