A Tale of Two American Martyrs


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Speaking of al-Qaeda, on March 18, Joel Shrun, another American teacher, was shot dead eight times in Yemen by gunmen on a motorcycle.  The assassins, who escaped after the attack, are members of the al-Qaeda linked “Supporters of Sharia” (which recently beheaded a “witch”).  The group issued a message saying, “This operation comes as a response to the campaign of Christian proselytizing that the West has launched against Muslims,” calling Shrun “one of the biggest American proselytizers.”

Shrum’s employers strongly denied the charge: Shrum, 29, “was an American development worker who had been working in Yemen with his wife and two children since 2010.  Unfortunately Joel S. has been accused of being a part of a proselytizing campaign, but the staff of ITDC, which consists of Muslims, Christians and other religions working together, has continually focused on human development, skill transfer and community development,” adding that “Joel S. was a very professional employee who highly respected the Islamic religion.” (Note the boilerplate kowtowing to Islam, which one would have thought unnecessary, at least in this context.)

However, an interview with Shrum’s wife makes clear that, not only was Shrum a devout Christian, but he likely shared his faith: “He lived in the reality that we are all created in the image of God and that nothing can separate us from the love of God…. These truths were an inspiration for everything that he did.” Moreover, there is no reason to doubt his Islamic murderers when they say he was killed for “proselytizing.”  There are many other Americans in Yemen: if al-Qaeda was simply targeting American infidels in general, there would be more random killings.

To conclude, Small and Shrum were not missionaries devoted to proselytizing Muslims—if so, they would have probably been killed earlier—but they were Christians who were not hesitant to share the Gospel with anyone showing interest, including the Muslims of Iraq and Yemen. This was enough to kill them—the one by a student, the other by al-Qaeda.

Finally, it is well to recall that these two Americans had nothing in common with the indigenous Christians of the Muslim world; the arguments used to dispel the persecution of the latter—sectarian strife, political machinations, etc.—do not apply to the former.   Instead, the only thing they have in common is Christianity.  This reaffirms, yet again, that the animosity that killed the Americans Small and Shrum, is the same animosity that persecutes and kills the Islamic world’s Christian minorities—an animosity fundamentally based on religious intolerance.

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  • southwood

    Obviously both men were killed because of their Christian faith. Wall Street Journal were not telling the full story. Shame on them. BTW in reference to the recent video of the young man being beheaded in Tunisia: this was simply because he was a Christian. At most, Tunisia is about 1% Christian. How on earth are these people a sectarian, economic, tribal or political threat ? Yet this man was martyred. He was martyred for converting to Christianity which is the most persecuted religion in the world according to a recent report but not according to the MSM, the UN and Western governments who would have us believe that the religion of the main persecutors of Christians is the most persecuted.

  • Chezwick

    "Apologists for Islamic persecution of Christians regularly argue that the animosity is not driven by religion, but rather a “sectarian” divide, as well as any number of “indigenous” factors—poverty, intertribal conflicts, political machinations, etc."

    In reporting for a decade on the killing of Christians in Nigeria, a favorite of the AP was that the violence was attributable to "a fight over grazing rights."

    In its endless search for "root causes", the Left seems determined to deny the ACTUAL root cause that foments so much of the violence in the Islamic world…which is of course RELIGION!

    • Alex

      Absolutely wrong – the first and foremost reason is THEFT. This is how it is done from the times of the first savages spilling out of the arabian desert – take whatever you want and kill anybody who is disagree. Put a fear of death in their heats and minds!!!
      The next step is a full subjugation and parasitic existence until the host is dead. Then, we go to the next village/town/country.
      This is what is going on in Europe and in the US, as well. Christianity mostly is just an excuse.

  • Bamaguje

    It's really pathetic that Muslims are so insecure in their bogus mind-numbing cult, that they habitually deploy violence to silence alternate views.
    Obviously Islam can't be defended by reasoned discourse of its merits – since it has none, hence the need for violence.

    • topeka

      No – I don’t think so.

      I’ve worked with many Muslims – and none of them were insecure.

      They are a called to Jihad. The only distinction is between those who think they should violently destroy our civilzation now, and those who think they should destroy our civilization through other means.

      The latter are more dangerous – they don’t realize what happens when they get their way …

  • Gamaliel

    First they came for the Christians and I did not speak out because I was not a Christian.

    Actually I tell my voters that I'm Christian but I don't want the Muslims to be mad I need their vote and their
    cooperation against other Muslims. If I defend the Christians then the Muslims will think they are at war with the Christians and I can't have them thinking that. Oh wait a minute they do think that. Oh well. Anyway I'm gay and Christians say God doesn't approve of my sexual relations with my boyfriends so if the Muslims get rid of them I'm not going to get involved. Besides I believe in making love not war.

    Then they came for the Jews but who the hell wants to risk nuclear war for them

    Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

    Then they ignited the bomb and there was no one left at all.

    • Ricky Michael

      Only reading right out of the Bible to you. Take your sharpie and black out these verses.
      1 Corinthians 6:8-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

      • Ricky Michael

        Sorry to upset all you Gay people giving me TDs. hahaha – I assume that God gets one too for having Paul write all these verses down so you can ignore them. Fire away. It will be a way for me to know how many of you are out there. I notice that only Gamaliel has the guts to reply. Him, I respect.

        that's 2

    • Ricky Michael

      Romans 1:26–27 (NKJV) 26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what …

      1 Timothy 1:9–10 (NKJV) lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, …

      Left out the ones in the Old Testament. You can do that on your own.

      • Gamaliel

        I'm not really gay that was just a figure of speech for the point I was trying to make

        • Ricky Michael

          My mistake, Hard to tell without being able to see the smile on your face.

    • intrcptr2

      If the Muslims get rid of the Christians, you'll be the first one whose head they slice off.
      Feel free to disparage Christians, they are your only true friends.

      oops, nevermind…
      Too early for this with no coffee.
      But that is the trick right? So many think that Muslims will save them from Christians, without realizing that Mohammadens are so much worse, in every way.

  • PAthena

    See Elia Kazan's movie "America, America" about being Greek or Armenian in Turkey at the end of the 19th century,

  • Schlomotion

    There is a certain arrogance that makes some Americans think they can immediately move to countries that the US conquers and start building things for the people they just subdued and start foisting on them a new fast food religion and set of ideals. It is no surprise that they get killed. The surprise is how surprised these bloggers act that Yemen and Iraq are still war zones filled with people who don't want Americans there.

    • curmudgeon

      and here is one american who is willing to stay completely out of arabia, but i would love to have muslims return the favor and stay our of our western countries. if they insist on contaminating our western countries with their murderous criminal religion of evil, we should do the same thing to them that they have been doing to everyone else for 14 centuries. we have enough evil without intentionally importing the religion of pure evil.

    • Drakken

      If you are so enamoured with and love your fellow muzzys so much go live with them and sing a lot of kumbaya and let the rest of us know how that works out for you.

      • Schlomotion

        Congratulations! Sarah Palin can be made to sound dumber.

        • Drakken

          All talk and no logic shortbus, so keep trying.

        • SodaPower

          I know grandmas that troll better then you. HAHAHAHHAH OH WAIT THAT WAS AD HOMINEM.

          Carry on; if that's so dumb, then please explain what is intelligent.

          • SodaPower

            THat was addressed to Schlomotion.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Of course I have.
    Is this were you go off on a multi part rant about Hitler being a "Christian" even if he never followed any of Christ's teachings, because he passed the muslim tests for who belongs to a church?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Self hating jews are not unusual.
    And that still doesn't answer why it should take muslims off the hook for the end of the Byzantine Empire, a Christian branch of the Roman Empire.

    And go ahead and say Hitler was full of hate, he wasn't following the teachings of Christ, so there is no way he should be expected to be any better.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      i have shown you were all of that is wrong dozens of times.

      You're just a hate filled bigot.

  • BS77

    Please boycott Schlomotion. He is a troll, a worthless bug…..do not respond to his garbage.

  • Amused

    Indeed , THAT he is …..but he's spot on , in that Anyone prosyletizing christianity in a muslim nation faces the risk of death , regardless of whether those countries are at war or not , regardless of whether the prosyletizers are American or not . The same risks exist even in the countries of our so called allies in the muslim world . Yes they are MARTYRS , but not uninformed , they knew the risks ..There are no accidental martyrs.This IS and always has been the nature of Islam and is not limited to Al Queda .No need to "connect the dots " when a fully formed picture is and has been evident for decades , indeed centuries . Woe to anyone who depends on WSJ or AP for any information of this dsort .But then again I don't see nor hear anyone jumping up and down in Congress nor the Vatican

  • Ricky Michael

    They (Muslims) would "off" you too for your anti-religious rhetoric. Can you post a threat against your life that you received from one of these terrible Christains that are after you?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I was thinking of the dozens of stories where muslims are treated the same way by Christians.

    It doesn't happen. Muslims are mad dogs who are taught from childhood to kill and do violence.
    http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod

  • Guest

    Oh yeah, Muslims have balls where most other human beings have brains. What a God that inspires the sons of women to turn and beat them for being women who dare drop a vale or show even an ankle; a god that inspires muslim militants to use brain damaged human beings as suicide bombers; a god that inspires its followers to behead hog tied human beings on the internet; that sets hundreds of millions of children rocking back and forth being brainwashed with "god's word" so they become disciplined to do whatever its totalitarian leaders order them to do; Lenin, Stalin, Mao and the likes of Pol Pot, eat your hearts out for here is a mass murdering belief system that puts your mass slaughters of the 20th century in the shade – musliminator.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Of brother, you just can't pass up a chance to attack a religion that is taught not to do violence.

    And you? You declare jihad at every excuse yourself.

    24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
    The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO

  • Ricky Michael

    Nice dodge, but the question I asked was for you to post a threat against you personally from one of them. I wasn't talking about the bravoto from someone on here towards the Muslims. Let's see one.

  • Jesusinator

    If you look at back at history both christians and musliums have been fighting over their man made gods for thousands of years. It is just plain stupid. Both religions are to blame. And whether you admit it or not christians are still killing musliums today it is just not not reported by the msm. http://news.yahoo.com/21-dead-religious-rioting-c…. Killing each other over man made gods is the dumbest thing these groups do. To outsiders it looks like both christians and musliums love having the blood of millions on their hands. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    OF course it is. I am not defending them. They are just doing what teh christians did. Slaughtering their way to the top all over man made gods <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Ricky Michael

    Your knowledge is impressive. I was wanting to visit your profile.

  • Drakken

    Just wait untill us Christians quit turning the other cheek and pick up the sword and the shield, then you muzzys will know fear.

  • Jesusinator

    So you are ok with christians cluster bombing a mosque in America and following up with napalm? Your fine with christians killing others but when someone else no matter what they believe even talk about it you consider it jihad. I pointed that comment out to bait you to show your are a hypocrite. Thanks for playing <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    What is stupid is you ignore the fundamentals.
    Christians defend themselves, like when they tried to defend the Christian Byzantine Empire from the invading muslim hordes.

    Islam? To this day they follow their teachings that demand it. Ask the people of southern Sudan.
    9:14 Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.

  • Jesusinator

    I am an athesist. Sorry your too f u c k i n g stupid to understand that. Maybe a good history lesson is what you need. You call me a coward but if we ever met, you would run away crying like you did when that bully beat your ignorant a $$ Face it christianity and islam were founded on violence all over a bunch of brainwashed m orons <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • intrcptr2

    If you look back at history, Mohammad tried hijacking a religion that pre-dated him by 600 years (And that only goes if you consider Christianity something new, rather than the fulfillment of promises given to Abraham near 1800BC). Christians were not killing Muslims of fighting over religion with them for two reasons; one, there were no Muslims, and two,Christianity did not expand on the tip of a sword like Islam did later.

    Or perhaps you could explain who all those skeletons in the Roman catacombs were? Or maybe you could explain the self-defensive nature of Diocletian's four edicts, starting in spring 294?

    It is the atheist who has invented a god in his own image, and plays the fool by condemning what he knows already to be true. Your god does not demand anything from you, he is more useless than a faded stop sign. My God demands perfection, knowing that apart from Him it is impossible (What excuse do you have for atheists being nasty?), and then granting me His own spirit in grace to let me live.
    Stop being so angry at the world.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You haven't shown it happened.
    You haven't shown anything other than you are blinded by hate and led by bigotry.

  • Jesusinator

    None of them have threatened to kill me. LDS has told me to kill myself several times. I also don't see any Muslims on here threading anyone. I do see many Christians wanting to bathe in the blood of Muslims though Tell me how do you feel about Christians killing Muslims in America by dropping clusters bombs and following up with some napalm? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    Sure they do. Once you slaughter your way to the top you can use that excuse. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    They recognize one of their own.
    They probably cheer you on, is that why you're funded to sit at a work terminal spewing hate all day long?

  • Ricky Michael

    Didn't think so. L4S is a little whacky. I have issues with her style already.

    The Al Caters and Talibans, fine and dandy with me. Innocent people who have been nothing, No way not for it. Your efforts to group everyone together and say "All" christians want this is a fallacy of logic. I would say that a very tiny portion of the christain faith is commenting on these debate sites.

  • Galveston

    I think you mean LSD – your posts sound like you're on one sick acid trip

  • Galveston

    Your ignorance is breathtaking – look at what's going on in Syria – how they are slaughtering their OWN people. How about the slaughter of Christians at the hands of muslim mobs in Nigeria, the persecution of Copts in egypt, etc, etc. And you're stupid enough to think these murderous hordes would exempt you? Boy you're stupid – dangerously so

  • Looking4Sanity

    If there is no God, then there is no point to life. You might as well kill yourself because your very existence was an accident of nature by your own logic. You're going to die eventually. Why torture yourself by dragging it out? Aren't you tired of being the object of a huge cosmic joke at your own expense?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    As islam is doing?

    You can't tie any of your accusations against Christianity to the teachings of Christ.

    So, you lose every single time.

  • Jesusinator

    I have shown your christian brothers approve of it though. I see you don't say a word to them. You are the one blinded by hate and led by bigotry. You have no problems with christians using violence and you even go so low to call it defense when they do it <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    Yawn……………………………………..You can't lump athesist with musliums or any other religious group. It really makes you look stupid. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    No, actually you didn't. You just showed you are a hate filled bigot with muslim friendly attack rhetoric.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    No, it explains the hate you have.

  • intrcptr2

    Of course you can; http://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1

    ANYONE who argues that Jesus is not God, did not exist, did not die on the cross, did not revive, shall not return, is in the same boat; ALL condemned of God in his own sins.

    Pity you think you're so smart, you might otherwise be able to humble yourself before God and seek His infinite forgiveness.

  • Jesusinator

    Go check some other right wing christian blogs and get back to me <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Perhaps he actually understands that Christians aren't the evil you portray them to be.

    Why don't you go check on some muslim blogs and get back to us?

  • Ricky Michael

    I don't buy into the extreme views "some" might have. Those violate Biblical principle. You are aware that I am a Bible Purist. People who do not keep the commands are doing wrong in my view. You are doing wrong as well, mistreating good people with your comments. You should stop it.

  • Jesusinator

    You believe a man lives in the clouds and you think I am on an acid trip? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    He wants to declare Jihad, he said this about a situation he knew nothing about before any investigation or trials.

    24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
    "The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO"

    And he still defends saying it.

  • Jesusinator

    I know they would take my head off. Where did you get that idea? Talk about ignorant. They are doing just what the chriatians did when they slaughtered their way to the top. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I know they would take my head off. Where did you get that idea? Talk about ignorant. They are doing just what the chriatians did when they slaughtered their way to the top. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    No, they didn't. They have been on the attack since they captured Mecca and Medina.

    Ask the Byzantines.

  • Jesusinator

    Maybe you should read some of the comments they post dumb@ss <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    And if your Christian brothers did not slaughter their way to the top Christianity would have been long forgotten like other religions. The entire Christian religion would not be here today if they did not slaughter millions. So you can take your Christ teachings excuse and shove it <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I have stupid. Don't you remember? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    Are you saying islam was around before christianity? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I have. You sound awful cranky, did you have another liquid lunch again?

    There are meetings that can help you with that.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Obviously, but you always seem to reach out when you're running low on vitriol.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    We are here, the result of intelligent design.

    Not you perhaps, you cling to the belief you are evolved slime that learned to walk out of the water and breath all on it's own.

    But most of us are realistic enough to know life as it is on our planet is way to coordinated to be an accident.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And when did Christians behead people as a rule for 1300 years and keep it up because their religion tells them too?

    You know you are so blinded by hatred I have to wonder how you ever sat still long enough for a cleric to brainwash you.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Christ didn't kill a single person.
    The fastest growing periods in the church were when it was under persecution.

    Unlike islam that grew by the sword and still uses slaughter as a means for recruitment.
    You know, that sudan and nigeria thing?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You are muslim friendly.

    And you said the same thing to me when you tried to threaten me to stop posting here.

    Guess what? I'm still here and your'e still sitting at some government work station spewing propaganda during business hours with weekends and holidays off. Did you just get back from another liquid lunch?

  • Drakken

    Your all talk and no show Sparky.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Are you saying you drank too much mountain dew at lunch again?

    How big a flask do you carry to work?

  • Jesusinator

    ……and you think 2 people populated the earth <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You think smart slime populated it.

    How stupid is that?

  • intrcptr2

    Who did Lucy procreate with, if she was the first "human"?
    Evolution says the same thing, Dr Leakey.

    The numbers are astonishingly straightforward really. http://www.ldolphin.org/popul.html
    What is more astounding is that fact there are so few people around.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Because design gave genetic material a wide variety of choices.

    You might want to check the mandel dna research.

  • Jesusinator

    The expansion by the sword through pagan Europe, the Crusades, the Christian on Christian violence of the Dark Ages and Reformation periods, the genocide of the American Natives, and the forced imperialist rule of most of the world during the “Colonial” Age all testify to this. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    Why not just answer the question? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I don't have to follow those commands. I have a set rule of laws I have to follow <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You say the 'crusades' as if it was an expansion of Christianity. It wasn't.

    It was a 'defense' of Christianity. Christians were in the middle east 800 years before islam existed.

    You are so muslim friendly wee wee, it's more than just the hate you have in common with them.

    So, are you having a cup of coffee, or still hitting the little flask?

  • Jesusinator

    He did not exist so I know he didn't kill anyone <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I know, I think everyone here knows.

    9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

  • Ricky Michael

    US freedom of speach may be legal, however, not necessarily ethical, true, right, or proper. The ethics of an atheist are very telling in your behavior against a group of people who are by in large very good people who do good work. Also, saying the things that you do and acusing them falsely, well we know what that is don't we? The only thing that might be true is the historical documentation that you present, however, saying that all Christians practice the same things, carte Blanche, is a plain old falsehood and misrepresenting the truth. Continuing to say these things is a blatant effort to perpetuate a lie. Let's see how ethical you are. You mentioned long ago to me that atheists have ethics, do they?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Yet just this morning on KATU you advocated and praised violence.

  • RoguePatriot6

    But Muhammad did exist? And you have proof from where? I ask this because it's amusing to me how one could deny the existence of Jesus yet for the same reasons, one seems to never question Muhammad's or any other diety's existence.

  • Jesusinator

    You don't understand evolution enough to comment on it <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Of course I do.
    You advocate based on faith in a belief that makes no sense, has no eye witnesses and has no conclusive evidence.

    And you still think that slime in the primordial ooze learned and grew and here we are.

    What's not to understand? It simply makes no sense.

    Intelligent design, it makes sense. You don't know enough about it to comment on it. How is that for turning your hate right back around at you?

  • Jesusinator

    That is not a United States law. That is a relgious thing <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Looking4Sanity

    Booya!

  • Jesusinator

    What does a father that found his 4 year old daughter being molested and killed the guy have to do with jesus being real? I realize you love the idea of child molestation so I don't expect a real asnwer <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Sure….

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I think reasonable people would be glad the molester will never be in a position to harm another child. But you always sound so glad to have any excuse to advocate for violence, it's telling.

    You never talk about the justice system, you just want to use vigilante justice.

    And very muslim friendly too.

  • intrcptr2

    It is a very plain and simple example that you know that there are moral absolutes, which come not from prehistoric humans sitting around fires chatting, but rather from the God who created us each to be moral actors.

    Your grasp of history is childish. Your concept of morality (Under the "set rule of laws" which you claim as your supreme guide, that father should be punished for comitting murder) is worse.

    You can misinterpret any of this as you like. But your support for the father simply shows that you understand that there is a higher standard than human law. Yet according to you, there is no higher law, because ALL religions are man made. So which is it? Human law or God's morality?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I already did once about 30 minutes ago.

    Intelligent design made variations possible due to information capacity of the DNA strand, you could also check the studies Mandel did.

  • intrcptr2

    Ethnicity, meaning why Chinese "look" different to Nigerians?

    Allele expression.
    We really still have little enough comprehension of just how DNA works to be able to support Darwin's ideas (Not theories, just ideas, and half-baked ones at that).

    Perhaps you could explain it from the "scientific" point of view, considering that ALL humans are of the same identical sub-species Homo Sapiens Sapiens, and that we emerged only about 50,000 years ago.
    As I recall, mutation rates are considered so low that there has not been nearly enough time since then for all the variety seen in man (Unless you understand and accept that it is all already there in the DNA and simply shows up whenever, like blue eyes). Genetics can indeed predict what children of certain parents might look like, evolutionary theories can't. Nor can they predict why.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You haven't shown that's what happened.

    And you're still cranky sounding, too much mtn dew for lunch?
    That stuff will kill you, there are meetings that can help.

  • intrcptr2

    Nor has he shown that Drakken is a Christian.
    Nor has he shown that such a desire is what Jesus teaches or demands, as opposed to all the slaughter that his beloved Muslims perpetrate daily.
    Nor, as Roger has pointed out, has he found any instances where a Christian HAS firebombed a mosque.

    meh
    typical blather, nothing less and nothing more…

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And now does that make the muslims any less complicit in the fall of the Byzantine empire exactly?

    You always find the sites with so much hate, it's like you have all the time in the world at your work terminal to organize that during normal business hours before you go home.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    I can and do when there is a reason.

    So, you going to declare jihad on anyone today? Or are you still getting over the liquid lunch?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Re-read the comment. Have you had enough to drink you can't track things very well?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You would just use bigotry and not bother with any source.

    You fail.

  • Jesusinator

    I don't check all your replies. I delete most of them due to them being full of hate and down right boring <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Yes, facts are like garlic to a vampire where you're concerned.

  • Jesusinator

    Really? It did not happen. I never said it did. You christain brother on here is calling for it though. Do you support him? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    Why is it ok for christians to lump all athesists and muliums together? I know for the most part they are good people. Then you have people likeroger who gives your relgion a very bad name <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    According to a public record search you can't <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    So you admit you're making things up.

    So much hate, so blinded by bigotry. So muslim friendly.
    Why would they pay you to sit and post these comments unless it's a mosque or other government office friendly to the muslim jihad?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And there are people like you who give hate a bad name.

  • Ricky Michael

    I have never done that. I have never called you a muslim either. Roger follows his conscience. He and I don't see eye to eye on that, however, I respect him for his convictions. Chances are good if you stopped your atheist crusade against the Christian faith, then he would stop.

    Have you promised to him to stop doing that? Would you be prepared to cease your vendetta?

  • intrcptr2

    Tell me, please, I'm curious, how do you define a person as good or bad?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    According to what public records? You must have the wrong person. Either man up and display your data or you are engaged in libel.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    When you asked a random question, don't expect to be taken seriously.

  • Jesusinator

    I am not a “muzzy” Just pointing out how you christians love bloodshed <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Drakken

    If you read what I wrote shortbus, you certainly know I was referring to the middle and far east.

  • Drakken

    Silly progressive/liberals like you always use the moral equivilance arguement, when it really comes right down to brass tacks, it will be us in the west against the muslims from the east, where are you going to stand?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Facts are not his friends.

  • Jesusinator

    Sure you were. It was a story aboput a mosque in the United States. Guess my bus was a little longer then yours <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    He's very muslim friendly and bragged about 'knowing two muslim guys in Iowa'.

    He is still defending calling for jihad against a town full of Christians and sees nothing wrong with it.

    24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
    "The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO "

  • Jesusinator

    What makes you think I'm a liberal mo ron? If you stupid christians and muslums would realize that no GODS are real we would not have this problem. Not all conservatives believe in god <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Drakken

    If junior there is what our education system is churning out, God help us !

  • Jesusinator

    How do you know Muhammad did exist? I don't believe he was real either <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    You would run away crying as well. Just like the rest of these cowards on here <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Why, you going to declare jihad against him like you did that town of christians you wanted locked into a church and burned alive?

    What a hate filled bigot you are.

  • intrcptr2

    intrcptr2@yahoo.com

    Want my address, tough guy?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    No, your bus was a lot shorter.
    And no kids licked the windows on his bus.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You can't pretend this away.
    What does islam teach?

    9:14 Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.

    You can also pretend Christianity allows for violence, but you can't show Christ taught us to do it.

  • intrcptr2

    Wow, you really are honest to God a moron.

    Please, I'm begging you, cut-and-paste it; but where does anyone in that article even hint at any knowledge of who the perps were?

    right

    NOWHERE.
    So, I will type this very slowly; try again. Your inveterate animosity for something you patently do not understand, Christianity, has rendered you dumber than a doornail.
    Just stop, it's embarassing.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    How intolerant you are towards the intelligent designer.

    Still claiming to be advanced mud?

  • intrcptr2

    Dude, are you truly that startlingly stupid, or just a professional troll?

    NO religion makes the claim that Jesus does, none. And no, almost is not exact. Continue pretending that black is almost exactly black, you'll still be just as blind as ever.

    And what makes you think a human would invent a god that demanded perfection? No other religions did that either. The Egyptians were close.

  • intrcptr2

    Oh, yeah, just for fun;

    Judaism–Obey and get blessed, disobey and get hurt; until Messiah comes and makes everything alright.
    Islam–Kill infidels, or just simply do the 5 Pillars, and Allah MIGHT have mercy on you on judgment day.
    Buddhism–There is no god, because there is no evidence (Good critique of Hinduism, rotten critique of Judeo-Christian teachings).
    Hinduism—We are all presently part of god, but your own ego has deluded you into thinking you are unique and independent (Of course there is no "you" either, but it does make the philosophy a tad easier).

    What others smart guy?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Yet you agree with so much that is muslim.

    How coincidental, or just another case of Al Taqiyya.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And you see no religion as a way to spread hate and bigotry?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Wee we, you small little man. You're resorting to multi part rants. You are just hitting that little flask pretty hard today aren't you?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    If they have any sort of morals, or Christian value system he hates them.
    It seems to have started when he was arrested at 18 for being at a loud party with drugs and a cooler full of booze.

    Of course he wasn't guilty of anything and his lawyer got him off. Maybe there was a priest at the party that turned him down.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And the measured dust on the moon supports that age.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    No, some Christians think the 6 days of creation were not literal days.

    You just are so blinded by hate you expose yourself as a bigot constantly.

  • intrcptr2

    First off, no; the Bible offers no hints, nor any advice whatsoever, for estimating the age of the Earth. Sure, we can calculate it, with a few gaps due to wiggle room in archaeology, to within a few decades. Of course your quibbling about the first week is pretty indicative of the state of your psyche (And anyway, rabbinic sources claim to know the exact date; here's a hint, leave it to them).

    But what in the world does this comment have to do with mine? I know very well that "modern" science judges the age of the universe differently then the Bible. Whether is was 6,000 years or 50,000, your query is still problematic for evolution, but not the Bible. Genesis is quite clear that God created the various nations by fiat. Notice that linguists are still stumped over the source of languages, and are no nearer the original language of Homo Sapiens than 100 years back.

    Naturally enough, you've avoided the question…
    nice

  • intrcptr2

    No, I do not hold to ANY evolutionary theories. I was asking you, based on what they teach about man and species, how evolution accounts for ethnicity (Which, obviously enough, you've failed to define for the sake of this discussion).

    I already gave you my answer. Where's yours?

  • Ricky Michael

    Excellent! You, I would like to watch. If it's ok with you, that is?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Do you have any non biased sites that you use?
    You have no first hand witnesses, no nothing. And the people that explain evolution are biased so like the Bible we have to throw them out.

    That leaves you being just another hate filled bigot when your own tests are used against you.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You are a mor on and most are liberal.
    The way you attack judeo-chrsitian values is usually shared by either muslims or liberals and you keep denying any connection to islam other than your two muslim guys in Iowa.

    Strange all those same convictions and talking points, and you still pretend to not have any muslim friendly leanings.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And Christians follow the teachings of Christ.
    So, what is your point again?

    Oh, you're a hate filled bigot. I almost forgot until I got to the second or third word in your comment.

  • Jesusinator

    So why can we date hings back to over 300 million years ago http://warforscience.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/moon-dust-refuted/ <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    If you go read about your dust story most creationist have decided it is BS <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    God can design mature matter.

    But dust landing on the moon has only accumulated enough for the past 6-7 thousand years.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    If you read….
    What's wrong. Are you having the shakes? Can't you slip out to fill that flask again?

    And you don't speak for any creationists.

    You're simply blinded by the hate and bigotry.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Are you a first hand witness?

    You aren't so you can't make that claim.
    If the disciple of Christ (John and Matthew) can't say with certainty what they saw and heard then you can't say with any certainty what happened at the beginning of time.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Still going in little circles you muslim friendly guy you?

    What was said was his comment gave more time than the literal six days, Some Christians view it that way.

    So, he wasn't lying you were simply being a jerk as usual and just trying to rip on Christians because you're a hate filled bigot.

  • intrcptr2

    No, Genesis is literal. Our friend here is just too idiotic to recognize when I am framing a question along his lines rather than my own.

    There is no question in my mind that man has not been here for 50,000 years. He is simply playing stupid, likely because it's the only role he knows; and the lines are easier.

  • intrcptr2

    It is only a scientific blunder if light requires fusion (Which we know it does not). And of course, if there is in fact no god.
    But you are arguing in a very poorly drawn circle here; you claim there is no god, because the Bible claims that light existed before the sun, but if God did exist, that would not be necessary. What you are reading as contradiction is your own presumption getting in the way.
    Philosophy; you're doing it wrong.

    PS
    I agree that bending Genesis to fit "science" is wrong. And no, "yom" does not mean "void", "tohu" means void.

  • Ricky Michael

    Mr. Edwards, the story described in genesis is brief summary of what happened, a reader's digest for creation. It is never going to be enough for you. It could be a complete set of encyclapedia of how he did it and the first time it mentioned that God did, you would reject that too. You either believe the short story or not, you will receive nothing else.

    It may not make sense to you how someone could do this in one day, but someone who could create everything out of nothing simply by speaking it into existing could do it all in one day and in the order he wants to do it too.

    A law – Matter is neither created or destroyed, only changed. There is matter, energy, and time. Where did each come from? Did it always exist? Somewhere out there, the answer the always the same, God.

  • Jesusinator

    Go look it up. I read about on a christian web site. Your dust story is filled with errors and has been discredited <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    No, you prove your point.

    You can't and you're simply blinded by the hate.

    Why so cranky, all those days off and you're like a wet cat. Did you have to dry out some?

  • intrcptr2

    Actually, it hasn't. The first argument for it has been discredited. But the theory itself was not denied, as far as I read. It was simply abandoned. Big difference there.

  • intrcptr2

    Funny, I got seven replies from him, but this comment he missed (I guess).

  • intrcptr2

    Roger, it's far better than that; see my response.

  • Jesusinator

    Well considering this country is 80% Christians and Christains and Musliums hate each other it is pretty easy to figure it out. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    Of course it does. Read it sometime <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I gave you mine. Pretty simple <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • intrcptr2

    O
    M
    G

    You're in high school, aren't you? Come on, you can tell us.
    See this drivel is what proves that American schools are done for. Not only can you not do philosophy right, you are utterly inept at history too. Please tell me you failed to finish reading Harry Potter, on purpose I mean.

    And I know full well that you think I've never bumped into this National Inquirer work before; atheists always (And I mean every single last time) think that NO Christian has ever heard of this silliness, or done any research on it, like our blessed overlords.
    Sadly, this "expose" does nothing more than reveal just how ignorant you are of ANE history, and especially the religion now called Christian. All you are doing is proving why the Catholic Church is not biblical. But you are in fact saying nothing about the Bible itself, certainly nothing true or accurate.

    Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert.

  • Ricky Michael

    Who caused the big bang? Could it be a Big Banger?

  • intrcptr2

    biblegateway.com

    Please, go right ahead, they have a really nice search engine; find the spot where the Bible says search through these pages so you can calculate the age of the Earth.

    g'head, g'head.
    I would dare you, but don't think I could stand watching you preach Ezekiel from a street corner.

    And before you start ordering other people to read (Books which they have read numerous times), perhaps you should try it yourself first.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Considering one is taught to commit violence and the other is taught not to, it's pretty simple.

    Why so much hate? Why so much bigotry?

    Do you just really need another drink or something?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    He only posts on business days during work hours.
    He seems to have weekends off and holidays as well

    I've asked him over and over what government office he works in, since he has so much time for propaganda. But I can't get an answer from him.

  • Jesusinator

    I am not saying the bible does not have any historical value. But the divinity is not real. We have a particular astronomical event that would have attracted the attention of anyone interested in the “heavens.” According to Luke 23:44-45, there occurred “about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour, and the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.” Yet not a single mention of such a three hour ecliptic event got recorded by anyone, including the astronomers and astrologers, anywhere in the world, including Pliny the Elder and Seneca who both recorded eclipses from other dates. Note also that, for obvious reasons, solar eclipses can't occur during a full moon (passovers always occur during full moons), Nor does a single contemporary person write about the earthquake described in Matthew 27:51-54 where the earth shook, rocks ripped apart (rent), and graves opened. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Tomorrow is another day.

    He'll be back with exactly the same talking point and the same hatred.

  • Jesusinator

    Actually it has. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    Please <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    I said they claim Yom is void not that it means void <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Jesusinator

    biblegateway.com? Nothing biased about that web site <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Ricky Michael

    It is a great search engine. I use it all the time when I am refuting your arguments with scripture. I noticed that you haven't bothered to answer my question. Book, chapter and verse please.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You know he can't.
    He knows he can't.

    We all know he can't.

    And he knows that Gateway if it's non biased and only is a search engine on the Bible that it will shoot him down too. So, we all know he'll attack it too.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You say all sorts of things.
    Things that make no sense and are based on your solid base of hate and bigotry.

    You have no credibility. None.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Still sitting at your work terminal making things up? Does the flask help you deal with all the lies, all the hate, all the bigotry or do you just have it to calm the nerves?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Begging for it on line?

    I understand you have no dignity or self respect. But seriously? Seriously?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Is this you wee as a guest?

    Should I tell everyone that you wouldn't actually confront this guy, you'd just stalk him and tell everyone about his yard then pretend you were never there.

    Remember how you stalked me when I called your bluff and refused when you told me to quit posting here?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    And once again you are forced into an admission.
    While you do that you side step all the things you do wrong in discussing the Bible and Christianity.

    What a hate filled bigot.

    And God doesn't need an eclipse to stop light.

  • Looking4Sanity

    Sure he will. Just as soon as Hell freezes over. We all know it.

  • Ricky Michael

    Yes, I know it. I know his game too, I can see right through him.

    While there's life, there's hope. But, I seriously doubt that anyone has been saved over internet debate sites.

  • Looking4Sanity

    ” I seriously doubt that anyone has been saved over internet debate sites. “Why would you doubt it? Is it not said that The Lord works in mysterious ways? Who is to say that the person saved might be a different person than the one to whom the witness is offered? Oh, ye of little faith.Don't misunderstand…we'll never convince THIS idiot. But in making the case against his stupidity, we are putting the message in front of many other people who might actually benefit from it.One thing is certain. Jesus never said “Go forth and never speak of this again”!

  • Ricky Michael

    All true. Thank you for reminding me.

  • Looking4Sanity

    YW. Also, defending the Honor of your Savior is never the wrong thing to do.

    Some will say that I am a poor witness.

    I say, "maybe a poor witness is all you deserve?"

    It's not my place to judge such things…and I don't try to. I say what I feel led to say. Some of those things are thoughtful and caring. Others sound downright cruel at times.

    Again…we go where we are led. That's how it works.

  • Ricky Michael

    We each fight the good fight in our own ways. I use a lump of sugar instead of a stick, so to speak.

    It is a pleasure conversing with you this morning.

  • Jesusinator

    Why would I do that. I live my life to fullestand do not have to worry about going to hell like you will. You guys are the ones trying to get somewhere. You're afraid of death so you put your beliefs into a system that says we never die. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Looking4Sanity

    I think it's YOU who are afraid to die, because on that day you'll find out we were right all along and you screwed yourself for all eternity.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Aren't morons funny when they really need that first drink?

  • Jesusinator

    I would quit thinking if I were you. It's not helping you <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Looking4Sanity

    Funny “odd” as opposed to funny “ha ha”? Yeah. I'd have to say so.

  • Looking4Sanity

    …said the guy with Kalua in his coffee. Get back to work you drunk.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Is that what the supervisor tells you when you stray from the approved talking points?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    That mountain dew….
    They have meetings, but I don't expect he'll admit he has a problem.

  • Jesusinator

    I don't drink coffee. Where did Jesus teach you to make false accusations and lie? Also where did he teach you to call people drunk. Maybe if you actually acted like a Christian and not a complete worthless POS I would treat you like one. Until then you can’t claim you’re a Christian anymore. Now go suck a d ick b itch. I am sure roger wants to know how much you charge. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Don't they have halil coffee?

  • Looking4Sanity

    What makes you think that you're entitled to any Christian charity from me? You used that allotment up over a year ago.

  • Jesusinator

    You are not charitable with anyone who disagrees with you. Which is why you are a worthless POS <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Looking4Sanity

    I am charitable to those who display a worthiness of it. That has never applied to you.

  • Jesusinator

    So you judge who is worthy and who isn't? I really could care less what you think of me. Thats the difference between us. You hate me and I could care less. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You do all the time.

    Why should she be limited to less than you do?

  • Looking4Sanity

    Why would I hate something as insignificant as you? By your own admission you are nothing but an evolutionary accident…no more significant than a rock or a worm. In fact, you're lucky I even notice you at all.

  • Looking4Sanity

    No. You make that decision all by yourself. All I do is pay attention.

  • Jesusinator

    Lucky? Why would I feel lucky to have an anti-American false Christian terrorist stalk me? I would be lucky if you went out in the woods and took care of yourself. The world would be better <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Looking4Sanity

    You wanna come out in the woods with me? You sound like you think you're a tough guy. I'm sure you could handle it…unless that's just the Mt. Dew talking.

  • Jesusinator

    Not really. I don't like fat chicks. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Not gay

    Sounds a bit like Deliverance.

  • Looking4Sanity

    So you have self esteem issues on top of all your other problems? That's just a little bit sad. It does explain your drinking problem though.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    He should be about ready for his normal scheduled lunch break. I hope he doesn't fall off the wagon too much.

    He doesn't even make this much sense after a 'long' lunch if you know what I mean.

  • Jesusinator

    Why? Because I don't like fat chicks like you? Go have another twinkie and cry. <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Looking4Sanity

    What's truly funny is how he let's us know exactly what gets under his skin. He thinks that because it got to him that it's going to get to us, so those are the things he throws at us. That must be the same flawed thought process that led him to the belief that there is no God.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Wee, the small tiny, tiny little man.

  • Looking4Sanity

    Well, calling Wee ANY kind of a "man" may not be accurate…but it certainly IS charitable. I guess he got his wish after all!

  • Alinsky USA HERO

    Congrats!!!

    That was the most homo sounding comment this year.

    Get a hold of yourself.

    But I guess you always hold yourself when commenting to WeeTodd.

  • Looking4Sanity

    Have another “Mt Dew” and pretend you like your job.

  • Jesusinator

    It's diet Mt. Dew. I want to be a fat a ss like you. Maybe you should have some ice cream after your twinkie <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    For a small man, he's probably going to say any woman that he can't 'reach' is fat.

    That would be anyone with more padding that Calista Flockhardt.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Why do you hate filled trolls always get back to sex acts?

    Hmmm?

    No matter what the style of hate it always comes back to sex and insults to the people who rip on your fragile self esteem.

  • Looking4Sanity

    Cream filled phallic substitutes and dairy products. Your choice of desserts is very revealing. How long have you had these desires? Since your episode with the priest?

  • TheKingIsDead

    I know that one, Rog!! 'Cuz people with child-like minds obsess on things they want but know they'll never have?

  • Jesusinator

    What sex acts are you talking about? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Alinsky USA HERO

    Get a girlfriend Roger, then it won't hurt so much.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Do you think we care what kind of fat chicks you like to do?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    That priest broke his heart, he must have been told 'no thanks'.

  • Jesusinator

    So you admit priets are child molestors. I don't eat twinkies fatty. I do enjoy an occasional bowm of ice cream every now and then. I don't eat a 5 gallon bucket at a time like you <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

  • Looking4Sanity

    The boy definitely has issues.

  • Looking4Sanity

    Nah. I wouldn't want him to enjoy himself…although I do see him as the Ned Beatty type. Just replace the gap toothed hillbilly with a Catholic priest and ole Wee will be squealing like a pig.

  • Looking4Sanity

    I admit the one that buggered you is a molester. That's a far cry from saying all priests behave that way.

    Only someone who had actually been molested by such a person would think that.

  • Looking4Sanity

    You know it is! lol!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Oh look, you finally found a site that didn't just delete your comment, I wonder how long that will last.

    Are you still wanting to behead people in the upcoming revolution?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Or wanted it and couldn't coax the priest into it.

  • Looking4Sanity

    I try not to be too judgmental. I assumed he was “straight” before the priest got to him. Perhaps I've been naive in that assumption. We'll certainly never get the truth from him now. It doesn't reside with him.

  • Alinsky USA HERO

    Still no girlfriend Roger? So that makes what? 48 years without a girlfriend?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Still want to cut my head off and the expect me to tell you personal information?

    Hahahahahahaha…

  • Alinsky USA HERO

    I never said I wanted to cut your head off you f u c k i n g liar.

    I already know most of your personal information. Funny thing is, there has neber been any record of you ever having a relationship with a female….why?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Really?
    Don't you remember saying this?

    1 day ago @ Big Government – Occupy-Linked Hacker G… · 17 replies · -6 points
    The revolution has begun and your kind will be finding their heads in baskets soon. I hope you still have that smile on your face when that time comes."

    You want me smiling as our heads come off.

    That's not the kind of person I would want any information going too.

  • Alinsky USA HERO

    That quote does say I want to cut your head off you f u c k i n g liar.

    You have no excuse. I know where you live, I know what you drive, I know who your family is, I know where you grew up and went to school, I know where your family works, I know what s h it books you wrote, I know you sleep with a stuffed rat named Ralph,..yet I can find no evidence that you have ever had a relationship with a girl.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    My my, and all that's supposed to engender my trust? From the guy who advocates beheadings and wants to see my head smiling in the basket?

    You're an example of why mental health treatments is important for the safety of everyone.

  • Alinsky USA HERO

    "engender my trust?"

    That is so HOMO sounding!!

    A normal heterosexual man would have said they have a girlfriend by now.

    My Allah, you are sohomo!!!!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Why does everything sound homo to you? You really need a boyfriend. Doesn'tyour mom let you have company in the basement?

    And there are other things I don't discusshere, and trolls such as yourself are the reason why.

  • Alinsky USA HERO

    You're the only conservative I have come across on these sites that always sounds like a homo.

    And making excuses wht you can't tell everybody if you have ever had a girlfriend makes you sound even more homo.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    eAren't you just a big empty bucket of need.
    You really are on the wrong web site, you need to try googling something about gay muslim closet cases.
    r text right here!