Islamic Hate for a Dead Pope


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While Ghoneim engaged in the usual lies and projections—saying the Pope wanted to create a Coptic state and “set Egypt ablaze”—there is no denying that Ghoneim’s position on condemning dead infidels is grounded in Islam: the remainder of the cleric’s “eulogy” is riddled with quotes from Islam’s core texts, the Koran, Hadith, and scholarly [ulema] consensus.

For instance, he quoted Caliph Omar’s famous ejaculation upon learning that a Muslim had hired a Christian scribe: “What is wrong with you—may Allah curse you?!  Have you not heard Allah’s words: ‘O you who believe: do not take the Jews and the Christians as friends and allies; they are friends and allies of each other’ [Koran 5:51]?  Why did you not employ a hanif [a Muslim]?  The man replied, “I profit from his [the Christian’s] writing, and his religion is his own affair,” to which the pious Omar rebounded, “I will not honor them, when Allah has humiliated them, nor will I be close to them, when Allah has cast them away.”

Incidentally, Omar is the same “righteous caliph” who gave the contradictory commandment to “Humiliate them [Christians] but do not wrong them”—as if humiliating people does not also “wrong” them.  (For more Islamic quotes, see this fatwa.)

All this hate is in keeping with doctrines that command Muslims to have enmity for infidels; Koran 60:4 has the famous Muslim position concerning non-Muslims: “Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us—till you believe in Allah alone.” Indeed, according to other fatwas, even cursing dead infidels, as Ghoneim the Pope, is legitimate—with the caveat that the curse should only be made public if not detrimental to Muslims (in increasingly Islamist Egypt, Ghoneim must have concluded his maledictions for the beloved leader of some 15 million Copts would have no negative repercussions for Muslims).

When it comes to how Muslims should feel about Pope Shenouda’s death, the question is, who is right—the Muslim clerics, learned in Sharia, or the many nominal Muslims?  As Wahid of Al Dalil concluded, “Inasmuch as many Egyptian Muslims were kind and sympathetic to us Christians, there is no doubt that the clerics, like Ghoneim, have Islam’s teachings on their side.”

Which leads to the great irony of Islam: while it boasts that it is the religion of fitra, of “nature,” which is why all humans are supposedly born Muslims, its teachings—from “adult breastfeeding” to “death-sex”—often contradict the most natural human impulses.  Worse, while many religions try to ennoble humanity, by making them strive to a higher level, here is yet another example of Islam forcing people downwards, to tribalism and egoism, to rancor and hatred.

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  • mrbean

    Egypt will be a semi theocracy under Sharia law within two years.

    • mburu chege

      that sounds great to me! better than a puppet client state depending on the US

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        You know, I think if it becomes a sharia state they don't need our money.
        I notice you don't seem to care about the starving lower class in Egypt much as long as they bow to militant islam.

  • Anthony

    World War III is coming.

  • dougjmiller

    Hate is the glue that holds Arab/ Islamic societies together. Hate is the central focus of their "culture." Without hate they would crumble. Without hate they would cease being the violent, aggressive, supremist, intolerant cesspools that has defined them over the centuries.

    • mburu chege

      Amazing! your description fits international zionist Jews like a glove!

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Almost as well as it fits the muslim militant culture he aptly described.

  • David R

    Poor blind Islamic fools. Will you never stop hating? Bred from birth to become disciples of hatred, you are missing out on so much of what God-given life offers…beauty, love and the betterment of mankind.
    Tragically you will be destroyed by the very God you hate…the God of Israel and all true Christians.
    "The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of destruction." (Proverbs 16:4)

  • Aint No Dhimmi

    Islam is Pure Luciferian Doctrine.

    Religion based on hate.

    A theology of death ultimately destroys itself.

    It doesn't generate spiritual Light. It only survives by living off of others.

    Lucifer receives his energy through fear and pain and suffering.

    His greatest trick is to make people think that he / evil doesn't exist.

    Present day example is willful blindness or political correctness by government and MSM.

  • maria

    islam is supremasists ideology and 80% of it text is hate to non-Muslims, infidels. Taqiyya, non-Muslims deception proclaimed there is one of the most important tactic to promote Islam.
    Gullible Westerns should wake up till it is not too late.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Where are all the people that blame Israel for it's apartheid actions?
    Why aren't they screaming about the very real apartheid in Egypt?

    • mburu

      Jewish apartheid is based on race, a fixed construct…….but islam discrimates on the basis of faith and religion, which is a matter of choice!

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Tell that to any Jew around the world.

        So, islam does discriminate on the basis of race.

  • AntiSharia

    Wow. Muslims behaving like animals. Who would have guessed it? Their entire "religion" is based on hatred. Hatred of the other, hatred of women, and even hatred of Muslims who aren't deemed zealous enough. Europe is doomed because they let the barbarians into the gates, if America isn't careful we'll have the same problem.

    • mburu

      Islaam hates evil things like international jewish zionism and all those allied to it! is it not ok to hate bad things? its only natural!

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        And some of the evil it hates doesn't seem evil to the world, like non religious music or women showing neck and hair.

  • curmudgeon

    formula for world peace: let the gods do their own killing. they are good enough at it. they do not need any help from humans.

    • gray man

      ridiculous statement.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    With starvation looming and societal failure about accomplished maybe many Egyptians are looking
    for Divine intervention knowing their leaders are ranting idiots and are hedging their bets. ….William

  • H&R_ Barack

    ~ Allah is a false god of man’s making and is nothing like the God of the Bible.

    Around the world, and especially in Africa and Asia, Christian populations are suffering severe discrimination and brutal attacks. Thousands are being killed.

    There are systematic campaigns against Christians simply because of their faith, and it is not too dramatic to suggest that these are forms of ethnic cleansing and genocide.

    Christianity Under Siege http://www.thebereancall.org/node/9251

    Victory in Christ
    http://www.thebereancall.org/content/victory-chri

    • mburu

      which "christian faith" are you talking about? that god is three, or god begot a son, or god became a man……how ridiculous….the islamic concept of one true God makes more sense to me brother…..

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Christians do serve the One true Almighty.

        Having a barbaric religion forced on the world makes no sense to me brother.

  • Ghostwriter

    My goodness,some Muslims actually have the decency to pray for a non-Muslim religious leader only to be attacked for it. Is it any wonder that Islam is held in low esteem by many Americans?

    • mburu

      why should muslims pray for a man who stood for everything that is against their faith….

      refer to case of prophet abraham (may peace be upon him) and his unbelieving dad…

      why dont egyptian copts just embrace islam anyway ? they are just too full of pride/ego to abandon their false "heritage" …..

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Why should anyone be forced to embrace any religion?

        Especially a religion that teaches violence is desired against infidels? You haven't read surah 9 have you?

      • Hg

        Yes, the Pope stood for tolerance, decency, humility and love. None of which are part of your religion. If you knew anything about him and the knowledge and understanding he had of the Koran you would not speak Such rubbish. He debated on live tv against a cleric and put him to shame with his honest questions and proof of the despicable nature of that book. How can normal sane people believe such filth and crap I can not fathom.

  • esperantominoria

    As for me,I am saying not to insult any group but because it is the truth,the 30% rate of 1st and 2nd cousin marriage for hundreds of years among Muslims is one reason that group is WACKO.Read:

    "A Real Disaster:the Statistics on 1st and 2nd Cousin Marriage among Muslims"
    http://www.antisharia.com/2012/01/17/a-real-disas

    AND ALSO

    "Why the Assasin of Caliph Omar,Friend of Muhammad,is a National Hero in Iran"
    http://www.antisharia.com/2011/11/21/why-the-assa

    • mburu

      what about the ridiculous inbreeding of jews to preserve the "chosen race" ?is it becoming a big problem? what with the genetic diseases flying around !

  • ahmadnb

    Sigh…there you go again, Raymond. The "clerics" of Islam are mostly a bunch of hypocrites. They don't speak for Islam, and they don't speak for me. I can easily point out how their actions can be condemned using the Qur'an.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      They are islam.

      Until they are fired and replaced, there is no islam allowed other than what they force on people.

      • ahmadnb

        They have taken over Islam in leadership positions, and morons like you cheer them on. However, I know better and won't be taken in by them. Or by the likes of you.

        • mburu

          r u sure you are a muslim mr. "ahmadnb"…who do u think u can fool…..a jew donning a muslim name. your disguise is blown man, sorry ……wat a shame…..

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He pretends to be a 'moderate' muslim that doesn't desire to live sharia and that the koran isn't to be taken literally. Then literally thinks he can say he 'understands' the islam around the world today.

          • ahmadnb

            Of course I am a Muslim, you idiot. I have always been and will always be. You sound like someone who doesn't get out very often, and your reality exists solely in cyberspace. Get a life…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And as a muslim you sound like a typical user of al taqiyya.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfPbz9mQ5fw

          • ahmadnb

            Your understanding of al-Taqiyya is about as good as that of an inbred village idiot. The only time it's permissible to lie is when you need to save yourself or that of an innocent person from injury and/or death.It is NOT permissible to lie about ones' own beliefs. And especially not for Muslims. It defeats the whole purpose of being a Muslim in the first place. But I don't expect an inbred village idiot like yourself to think through this. Go ahead and spew another one of your pathetic recycled lines.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course you as a muslim are telling the complete truth about your muslim policy of lying?

            And the video explains it very completely and thoroughly. Thank you very much.

          • ahmadnb

            I wonder who came up with the “Muslim policy of lying”…maybe I missed it. Could you please show me where in the Qur'an this “Muslim policy of lying” is outlined??

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Watch the video one more time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfPbz9mQ5fw

          • ahmadnb

            Lying Mullah Roger…can't even give an honest answer to a simple question. Just the same old repetitive sh*t. I expected this of you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You blame me for the thing you are doing.

            The same old lies and evasions for what the religion of islam is doing.

            9:14 Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.

            You can't get around one simple fact. The things you say are being done are taken right out of the literal koran. It IS your religion that's the problem.

          • ahmadnb

            I don't blame you for anything other than being a liar and an idiot. You just take little snippets of the Qur'an and that's all Islam is about to you. You STILL cannot produce ANYTHING from the Qur'an that supports the doctrine of al-Taqqiya.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And those snippets are snippets that define militants living by them.

          • ahmadnb

            The militants are brainless idiots, and so are you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'm not the one strapping on a suicide vest or parking a car bomb in a market place.

            So, you think speaking my mind is equal to that?
            No wonder people don't take muslims seriously.

          • ahmadnb

            You think I am, jackass?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You defend islam. The ones using suicide bombs are muslims. You pretend that your forced style of life doesn't encourage that kind of submission, so you give them cover.

          • ahmadnb

            Those who massacred civilians and raped girls and women in Rwanda, the Balkans, Georgia, and all over Central and South America call themselves “Christians”.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Like in East Timor, Sudan, Egypt now, and Iraq? And as far back as the Byzantine Empire?

            They call themselves muslims.
            And they behave that way because of the teachings of islam.

            Christians fail to follow Christ's teachings when they behave that way. But that's not the case with islam.

          • ahmadnb

            That has nothing to do with the teachings of Islam, dolt. The Pakistanis who raped Bangladeshi girls and women were also “Muslims”. If what they did was so barbaric, why was your govt arming and financing them? In fact, they STILL do today. I would be scared to death to even THINK of doing what you claim to be the “teachings of Islam”. You know why? Because I KNOW the teachings of Islam and I know what could await me in the Afterlife if I were to do those things.Stop lecturing me and go put your actions where your mouth…or hand, in this case…is. Unless the Army ruled you mentally incompetent, which I strongly suspect is the case with you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It has everything to do with the teachings of islam. Mohammed demanded it of his followers.

            You pretend it's out of context, but it's not. It's the marching orders being carried out.

            All those verses in surah 9, and even 19? They are no accident.

            So, go lecture a herd of goats, they might believe you more than the folks here.

          • ahmadnb

            Blah, blah, blah…a snippet from here, a snippet from there, and voila! You're an “expert” and a “Scholar” on Islam. Stop wasting my time, idiot.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I've reduced you to that.

            It didn't take long. You know the koran is full of those kinds of texts. You know the more careful a muslim follows it the more militant they become.

            You pretend so much, and none of it is working.

          • ahmadnb

            F**k off.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Neener Neener!

            What's wrong, facts are not your friends?

          • ahmadnb

            FACTS ARE DEFINITELY NOT YOUR FRIENDS… OTHERWISE YOU WON'T KEEP BADGERING ME, JERKOFF!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            what's wrong? Still thinking that you don't need to push for sharia as a muslim?

            Facts are not your friend.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          You say I'm cheering them on?

          You are not dealing in reality. Can you quote one time I've done anything but call them barbaric for their militant attitudes and bent towards violence?

          • ahmadnb

            Of course you are, by claiming them to have some sort of authority when it comes to Islam. You yourself claimed that every car bomb that they explode proves you right. You apparently have a fear of being wrong…so it appears that you wish to be seen as being right, even if innocents die.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course they claim authority due to the teachings of islam.

            You claim surah 9 is taken out of context, even though they actually live by it.
            Jizya tax. It's there. And the US pays it to Pakistan, among other muslim countries.

            9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

            You can pretend all you want, but people are dying because islam is not what you pretend it is.

          • ahmadnb

            I'm against the US paying anything to Pakistan. They don't deserve anything other than TNT dropped on them from high above.And how convenient of you to completely ignore the next verse. Typical Mullah-wannabe.9:6 And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection, then protect him so that he may hear the word of Allah, and afterward convey him to a place of safety. That is because they are a folk that know not.Obviously…I know and you know not.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, you only provide safety to converts as they are indoctrinated.

            That really is the best you can do?

            Obviously you don't realize what a weak argument that is.

          • ahmadnb

            Coming from someone whose faith in God is pathetically weak, your stupid answer means absolutely nothing. I just blew your original argument out of the water. 9:6 only asks us to read the Qur'an out to a non-believer, and then convey him/her to a place of safety, regardless of whether he/she accepted Islam or not. Unlike your original argument, it shows that exceptions MUST be made to those who seek refuge in you from among enemies. If I knew that my Jewish or Christian neighbors were in danger from “Islamic” fundies, I would hide them in my home and would kill to protect them from harm.Indoctrination is something your useless union teachers do to their young, vulnerable students. Adults who can be indoctrinated are morons.You are full of double standards, you know that? Someone can read the entire Bible out to me and I would never call it “indoctrination”. But I would listen, and I would accept or reject parts or all of it based on what I already know. You, on the other hand, appear to be scared to death of the Qur'an. You pick and choose what you like and disregard everything else that doesn't fit your agenda.You will not win against me…you're too weak and stupid. One of the worst I have ever come across. Now get the hell out of here and leave me alone.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            All that and all because you know I'm right.
            You know your argument is pathetic and your lies just aren't getting any traction.

          • ahmadnb

            No…I know you're more than wrong. You're totally delusional, like your fellow Mullahs. And a total uneducated moron to boot who can only regurgitate the same lines over and over again. You're like a chicken with its head cut off. You fear the truth, which is why you surround yourself with lies, like an armor made of venomous snakes.It makes no sense to me to live a lie. A lie can only go so far before it all comes crashing down. I will watch with a mixture of pleasure and pity when the men in white coats drag you away. HA-HAAAAAA!!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I see the koran and the lives of the militants lined up perfectly.

            That means you're using al taqiyya to lie and pretend that your religion isn't the harmful poison.

          • ahmadnb

            You see pink elephants marching across the night sky singing “Yellow Submarine”. Since you're so good at producing Qur'anic verses that you claim “support” your view on Islam, how is it that you STILL can't produce a SINGLE VERSE that supports the doctrine of al-Taqqiya?? Useless liberal jackass…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't need to.
            The pieces of koran that the militants are murdering by is enough to prove my point.

          • ahmadnb

            If you have such a problem with the militants, why do you keep coming after me? I happen to be opposed to them as well…and have been so for a lot longer than you have, I'd bet. What's wrong with you??

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Because you defend their beliefs.
            You say it's not islam to attack and kill, when that's what islam teaches.

          • ahmadnb

            In that case, you defend the beliefs of the Serb nationalists who slaughtered Muslims and even their fellow Christians back in the 1990s. And you share the same beliefs as the Hutus who went on a murderous rampage against their fellow Christians, the Tutsis, back in 1994. Thus I deem you to be a barbaric savage and an enemy of Civilization. Go to hell, hypocrite…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You pretend that the serbs didn't have a reason.

            How many Christians have been ethnically cleansed from the muslim territories, I don't hear you on that one.

            Why are you so biased and untruthful about the things islam leads people to do? Kosovo has been cleansed of all Christians and you remain silent.

            Al Taqiyya.

          • ahmadnb

            Oh sure, they did! For stuff that happened 50 years prior, in which the allies had been victorious. But that wasn't good enough for them…and it wasn't just Muslims that were targeted. Their first targets were Christians. Sure…wonderful Christians you've got out there. So much for “loving thine enemy” and “turning the other cheek”. I make no excuses for the bad behavior of Muslim militants, but you openly defend Christian militants and acts of mass murder and rape. So who's the barbarian here? Sure ain't me…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's happening in the past 10 years.
            And it's still happening now.

            Don't think because the media ignores it that it's not happening.
            http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kos

          • ahmadnb

            Don't lecture me on the media, jackass. I've been out to different countries and know for a fact that what you read in the media is a minuscule fraction of what's really out there.You didn't respond to my last post…because you couldn't, as usual. Serbia got what it deserved. Back in 1914 they wanted parts of the Austrio-Hungarian Empire for themselves, and because they were good allies of the West during WWI which they themselves started, they got Yugoslavia. But then they got greedy in the late 1980s, and wanted more…they wanted complete domination over the entire land, aka. “Greater Serbia”. And it looks like God went ahead and took back everything He gave to them, and then some…Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Montenegro…and Kosovo. Just as God took away Jerusalem and the West Bank from Jordan, for which I'm not a bit surprised, given the way Jordan treated Jews living within its borders.I'm sorry…did I just overload that pea-brain of yours?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            My my, you sound so cleric when your inbred muslim genes kick in.

            And I'll lecture you on any media I want to. This is the western culture that encourages debate and investigation before coming to a conclusion. You can't just wander in here with your bangledishi robes and pretend any nobility. What has Bangaledesh done to deserve any respect? It's a little backwater edge of nothing with the muslims persecuting the buddhists, just as they persecute every other religion everyplace they exist. Like the ID cards in Indonesia that lists religion so muslims don't even need to employ Christians accidently.

            You go ahead and pretend you can tell me what I am 'allowed' to lecture you on?

            What else would I expect from a fake muslim. Still pretending muslims don't have to aspire to sharia?

          • ahmadnb

            You??? Lecture me??? Since when does someone in a preschool get to lecture someone with a college degree? You are one big, stupid JOKE.No…I will lecture YOU because you're so stupid. But you're not worth the effort. You're a lost cause. And I can tell you a thing or two…if you go to certain parts of Africa where Christians dominate, you may not come out of there alive. They tend to respect “white men”but they have a tendency to dislike “African Americans”. They consider themselves to be “true Christians” and would butcher you if you as much as behave in ways that would be considered to be “normal” here. So take your lectures and shove them up your stinking arse.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, me lecture you.
            You speak with forked tongue, and frankly the way muslim militants live speak louder than your slimy words here.

            And true Christians, (you're showing your ignorance) argue and disagree contantly with no violence. Don't you know in Christian lands there are different churches on each corner in some towns? And no car bombs, no stonings, just different ways of trying to follow the teachings of Christ.

            You're so lame you can't ride a camel with a stretcher.

            So, no I won't bother lecturing a two faced phony like yourself. What other talking points are you going to try slithering around here with?

          • ahmadnb

            Someone call the men in white coats…Roger Russell thinks he's God.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, I just point out when you're lying. You are muslim, aren't you?

            Is that redundant? A lying muslim?

          • ahmadnb

            BELIEVE WHAT THE HELL YOU WANT!!! THINK I GIVE A DAMN???

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So angry for a pretend muslim bangladeshi.