Excruciating Beginning to Trial of 9/11 Plotters

Rick Moran is blog editor of The American Thinker, and Chicago editor of PJ Media.His personal blog is Right Wing Nuthouse.


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It was supposed to be a routine arraignment — a reading of the charges and entering of pleas by the defendants.

But the hearing before the military commission charged with trying the 5 major 9/11 plotters for crimes ranging from nearly 3,000 counts of murder to terrorism quickly bogged down and became a circus. A legal proceeding that was expected to last about 2 hours became a 13 hour marathon when defense attorneys used a variety of delaying tactics that bordered on the surreal at times, while the defendants ignored the presiding judge, Col. James Pohl, and refused to enter pleas as a protest against what they believe is an “unfair” system. Their pleas were deferred until a later date.

The arraignment, broadcast on closed circuit TV to 4 other military bases, was witnessed by members of the press, military officials, human rights advocates, and six family members who lost loved ones on 9/11. Some family members who spoke to the press after the arraignment were outraged at the cavalier attitude toward the hearing by the terrorists. The untried system of military commissions will no doubt slow the legal process down even more, as defense attorneys explore the limits of their client’s rights. President Obama and Congress amended the system in 2009 and gave the defendants more legal rights while denying some evidence from being presented that was obtained from the prisoners via “enhanced interrogation techniques.” Human rights groups still say the proceedings are unfair and wish the trials to take place in civilian court.

The five accused included the boastful mastermind of the attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed; Ramzi Binalshibh, who allegedly scouted flights schools; Waleed bin Attash, who allegedly ran a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan and researched flight simulators; Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi, who allegedly supplied Western clothing and credit cards, as well as acting as a conduit for money to the hijackers; and Mohammed’s nephew, Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali, who also helped with financing the operation. The crimes committed by the 5 are outlined in an 87-page indictment that includes charges such as “conspiracy, attacking civilians, attacking civilian objects, intentionally causing serious bodily injury, murder in violation of the law of war, destruction of property in violation of the law of war, hijacking or hazarding a vessel or aircraft, and terrorism.”

It became clear that one of the tactics of defense lawyers — both civilian and military — was to put the entire concept of military commissions on trial. In pursuit of this goal, they have filed hundreds of motions challenging every conceivable aspect of the proceedings, leading Col. Pohl to put back the start of the trial until May, 2013.

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  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Just hang the jihadis, and bury them inside of pig carcasses (that should keep them out of Islamic Paradise).

    • kafir4life

      My goodness!! You'll be hearing from PETA on that! Why do you think we have the right to subject the poor pigs to anything like that. And in case you're confused, I'm refering to the 4 leggers, not the sub-humans.

  • oldtimer

    This should never have taken over 10yrs. And as for the lawyer in the hijab……….I thought that this was a military trial.

    • BS77

      It is dismal to view this ….should have been over and done about nine or ten years ago.

  • Amused

    Solution -put the lawyer and the defendents in a plexi-glass cage ,.with two way communication only for the lawyer,and THAT filtered for only pertinant statements . Should the lawyer refuse , throw her in jail for contempt of court and assign a lawyer, preferably Jewish .

    • WilliamJamesWard

      Reasonable enough, good idea……………………William

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Col. Pohl may wish he was in another occupation before this trial is over, the defense of
    the barbarians is going to milk this for billable hours until hell freezes over and order must
    be kept in the court. This is going to be a challenge to protocol that may give Col. Pohl a
    stroke. A mockery of justice is a further kick in the teeth to Americans…………..William

  • jacob

    This is what you get when Democraps are in power and we have this "sui generis" individual as President
    and the wors is that the military is allowing this travesty of justice to take place….

    As in the QUIXOTE, we are still to see things that will make stones to speak….

  • randy

    Bush had the U.S invaded 2 countries. When is his trial?

    • Chris Gleason

      President Bush did what he should have done.

    • tagalog

      What section(s) of law did he violate? Please try to be specific.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      ratty, Some time after your FAKE anti-war neo-commies stand trial for supporting al qada.

      • WilliamJamesWard

        Ratty!! , really you made my day SS…………..Ratty if we ever have a prisoner exchange you
        would be my choice of first to go back to Al Quifa glued to a pig, OINK,'obviously I'm not kidding'…
        William

    • UBL_wore_diapers

      Are you still wondering why the US invaded Afghanistan after all this time Randy? Really?

      Now listen up pansy. You see, there was this group, we'll call Al Qaeda, who on a particular day, let's say September,11,2001, hijacked four aircraft containing innocent civilians. This may be all news to you and those of your ilk, but after taking control of said aircraft, they directed them to interface with both World Trade towers and the Pentagon. In the fourth aircraft, a brave fight unsued between the passengers and the hijackers, who we'll call Islamic terrorists. That aircraft ended up crashing to the ground in Pennsylvania.

      While many of your persuation continue to claim that these events were "an inside job", the leaders of this Al Qaeda group publicly claimed responsibility, if you care to investigate. While GW. Bush demanded from the "leaders" of this Afghanistan the lawful turnover of those responsible for the act, he was rebuffed. Thus, a brilliant plan was devised to capture these individuals and while in the neighborhood, remove the goons who were currently controlling the hellhole.

      • UBL_wore_diapers

        To be honest, if I were POTUS during an event such as this, I would have sent in the nukes Randy. Yeah, the *$#@ nukes. Afghanistan and the Taliban has gotten off lucky as has their control mechanism, Pakistan. As for the Saudis and the royal support of Bin Ladin , their time will come when they realize the oil is running out and the Wahhabis take over. Will be one hellava show to watch.
        So Randy, in a nutshell, that is why we invaded the Afghan. Sorry to hear you live like Theodore Kaczynski and never heard about these events, perhaps a subscription to a newspaper will assist .

      • randy

        So 9/11 happened just for kicks? The U.S meddling around the world played no part? And Iraq was involved how?

        • kafir4life

          9/11 happened because of the religiousness of a bunch of pious muslims, under koranic instructions from their false god allah (the moon god, invented by the pedophile, mohamat). It's considered an obligation much as is praying the Rosary is for Catholics. In case you're skeptical, read the koran. If you need verses, you should be able to find them, if not you can search the thing on any muslim web site.

        • ajnn

          does anyone not remember that saddam hussein had an annual convention for terrorists in baghdad ?

          abu nidal lived in a baghdad suburb ?

    • Charles Martel

      There's one simple solution to Shariah-adherent Muslims: Nuke Mecca and be done with it!

      • Mr Sanity

        Make sure we wait until hajj season to get as many as possible

      • KarshiKhanabad

        Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.

        And what will they do if Mecca is glasstopped? Go berserk worldwide and just make themselves easier targets? The muzzies have forgotten that even though Allah & Mohammed give them dominion over the entire Earth (watch the Gitmo five & their antics), they are still a minority. Outside their third world s***holes muzzies are easy to identify & neutralize.

    • reader

      When are the trolling truthers goint to get their much needed professional help?

      • ajnn

        good point.

  • Chris Gleason

    "Obama and Congress amended the system…" and this is what we get, at taxpayer expense. Take the bastards out and shoot them – they have no rights in this country.

  • tagalog

    This is a farce. Just keep them imprisoned for contempt of court as long as they insist on showing that, and when they refuse to enter pleas, just do as all criminal courts traditionally do: enter Not Guilty pleas for them without regard to them. It's not as if they're going to plead Guilty, anyway. If they won't come into the courtroom, do what the judges did with Bobby Seale and Charles Manson: try them in absentia, with them in their cells, watching via TV. If it was due process for Manson and Seale, it's due process for these scum.

    Too bad they can't order the female prosecutors to wear bikinis while they're in court. I find it humorously jarring to find that these murderers who deliberately murdered thousands of people who had never done them a lick of harm think it's a sin to have to look at women dressed in Western garb.

    • Chris de England

      Only when it suits them, tagalog!

    • Amused

      Excellent idea , since the lawyer speaks on their behalf , have that TV focus only on the judge , and the lawyer can take off that ridiculous get up . The AMERICAN translater can term any answer irrelevant to the question as "refusal to answer " . These pigs do not deserve a soapbox or grandstand , nor do they need to be televised .
      Anbd BTW -handcuff them to their armchairs , this way when they claim it's prayer time , they can do so with their chair and their arse in the air .

  • BS77

    KSM should have be tried and hanged about nine years ago.

  • fiddler

    Lawyers! The cry of "unfair" sickens me! When, oh when will be bury our guilt? I don't trust the motives of lawyers anyway, but that being aside, when is "justice" NOT blind? The motives under which they make these statements makes you wonder who is really on trial: is it the murderers or is it us? As we contemplate our navel, hash and re-hash our right or platform from which to punish wanton murderers, we have to ask ourselves is there such a thing as evil? If so, how hard is it to protect the justice system from innane attempts to subvert it? Do we really have to look inward and question our own motives? Is not innocent life obliterated brutally not ENOUGH a motive to render a verdict? It's did they do it, or not? If they did, execute judgement!

    • tagalog

      Welcome to the Wonderful World of Girly Law.

  • Phineas

    We'll never get the names of the White and Jewish Leftist traitors that secretly gave them all the details for every tactic they use, in disrupting trials when they're the defendants.

    • ajnn

      i thought the info was published without benefit of traitors ?

    • BS77

      Phineas…..how did you get so stupid? Is it De-volution or what?

  • Amused

    It's not girly law , an application of a little common sense can easily remedy the problems these barbarians try to cause , and still abide Military Jurisprudence …..we dont need any appeals or mistrials .BTW , to putv them in a jail cell wity a TV Cam and communication with their lawyer , is not being "tried in absentia " . It's simply keeping the Court in control of the Court .

    • tagalog

      Obviously you haven't had any meaningful experience with the law as it was practiced before, say, about 1985 or so and since then.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Let Amused decide their fate, if he sold raffle tickets for who shoots, pulls the lever, presses the
    switch, starts the barbecue or opens the cage to the lions den, it would raise enough cash to
    solve the nationl debt…….TV rights would be staggering, think of the possibilities of the new
    hit show, "Amused and National Vengeance"……………..William

  • Looking4Sanity

    All of this could have been avoided for the cost of a few dozen bullets. It is the military's job to kill people and break things…not collect clowns for Obama's three ring circus. Taking prisoners is a fool's errand. Crap rolls downhill, and the clown at the top has turned our military into a global joke.

    Obama is the one who should be on trial!

  • maria

    How can we win that battle with Nazies Islamic world using this kind of game of "Justice"? They behead Westerns, blow innocent "unbelievers" up. stabbebing babies, slattering pregnant women, etc and our crazy Leaders play that phantasmagory game treating them as human being? it must be new laws against islamic terrorism as "scre socialism" suggested above:
    "Just hang the jihadis, and bury them inside of pig carcasses (that should keep them out of Islamic Paradise".
    it was already used in Phillipine by some American General and after it there was no muslims riot since. Unfortunately don't remember that hero name.

  • pyeatte

    Better the circus in Gitmo than Manhattan.

  • Amused

    Agreed , Obama first thought bringing them to Manhattan would be a good idea , then had second thoughts . I would have suggested bringing them to Brooklyn ….then let 'em loose . Ya know … Give'em a few days "liberty " before the trial …….just let the newspapers know where and when ..

    • reader

      No, he did not – and that is exactly why he was posturing. Somebody finally told him not to piss of the idiot Jews in New York – like yourself – and throw them some bones to chew on. Tasty?

    • tagalog

      …In Bed-Stuy…

      • Amused

        That's real cute of you reader now GFY . Not to mention your statement is idiotic . But then again that's what you proven yourself to be thus far ….an IDIOT . Now go kick yourself to sleep tonight .

        • Amused

          and FYI tagalog , most of the families of the NYFD and NYPD who were killed , as well as those in the Towers lived in Brooklyn and Rockaway

          • tagalog

            Your high dudgeon would be more convincing if you had established yourself as more credible in other circumstances, Amused.

          • Amused

            Hahahaha….do you really think my credibility on these threads is an issue ? Or a concern to me ? Thou fool , with authors here from Breitbart.com and sycophant know nothings like you , to attain credibility here would actually be a negative . YOU should look back and reread some of the many idiotic statements you have made on these threads ,and reassess your own credibility .

          • tagalog

            Yes.

            Yes.

            Okay.

            Okay.

          • Amused

            good ,good glad you agree , atleast you show some signs of a primitive intelligence .

  • kafir4life

    I saw that thing that's defending Obama's idiological equals, and I not only defend her right to, but insist that she does wear the full muslima sack. After seeing that mug, two would be better.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    What most people don't realize is that these Muslims on trial are not terrorists at all. Indeed, there acts weren't random arbitrary acts of terrorism for various political causes, as jihad is total warfare in the cause of Allah against non-Muslim unbelievers to make Islam supreme that employs both violent and non-violent means that the nation of Islam, i.e., the Islamic ummah, has been waging perpetually against the non-Islamic world ever since the day that Muhammad abandoned religion in favor of politics and conquest soon after the Hijra in 622 CE and in the process at the same time morphed Islam into what it is today, which is a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a religion in order to dupe the gullible societies it intends to subjugate into a very draconian form of Islamic totalitarianism.

    Indeed, the 9/11 attacks were acts of holy war (jihad) and those so-called terrorists are in reality soldiers of Allah, i.e., jihadists. The 9/11 violent jihad attacks were part of that ongoing holy war (jihad) that the Islamic world has been waging perpetually against the non-Islamic world for almost 1400 years. As Islam is not a so-called Religion of Peace™ and the majority of Muslims are not so-called moderate Muslims. Indeed, a moderate Muslim, per the text and tenets of mainstream orthodox Islam, would be a blasphemous apostate, both of which are capital offenses under Islam.

    Our lamestream press and our lame and incompetent political elites have all been blinded by PC multiculturalism thanks to mass Muslim infiltration of all our major institutions, i.e., our colleges and universities, our public education system, our news medias, our political elites on both sides of the political aisle, and our federal government. Indeed, try to find a Republican or a Dhimmicrat member of Congress today that openly acknowledges that mainstream orthodox Islam as opposed to Islamic extremists is really the source of the problem. Good luck!

    Indeed, the Islamic world's jihad was stopped from conquering Europe at the Battle of Tours in 732 AD and then subsequently stopped again for a second time at the Gates of Vienna in 1683, as the jihad being waged against the non-Islamic world is perpetual. If the 9/11 violent jihad attacks were instead desperate random acts of terrorism as opposed to acts of jihad (perpetual holy war) as our news medias and incompetent political elites insists, then someone please point out exactly when the Islamic world suspended its perpetual jihad of conquest against the non-Islamic world.

    I mean if Islam suspended its perpetual jihad of conquest against the non-Islamic world, then someone please tell the Muslims that subjugated the non-Muslim unbelievers into harsh and degrading dhimmitude in Cote D'Ivoire via demographic conquest last year, someone please tell the jihadists group Boko Haram in Nigeria that is driving the Christian unbelievers out of the north, and someone please inform the Muslims that are currently conquering Russia, Europe, and the USA via stealth demographic conquest.

    • KarshiKhanabad

      Tours, 732 A.D.; Vienna 1683; but please don't forget Lepanto 1571. That was as crucial as the other two Christian victories to keeping Islam out of Europe.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        SCREW Socialist Europe.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        My sincere apologies.

  • Ghostwriter

    If this is how these savages act during a military tribunal,can you imagine how bad it would be during a civilian trial?

  • Asher

    These muslims are in an American court, their laws are not our laws, and they owe us respect for the 3,000 people that were killed on 911 by Terrorists of their Race and Religion….They can get the hell out of America and take their spook clothing with them. Women here are not ashamed of their face, hair or clothing. We do not intimidate women from being free, or being themselves. This is a big set up by Islam to impose their religion as the only religion and it made them look rediculous!

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Strap the islamofascists to a gurney like the character "Hannibal Lechter" and wheel them into the courtroom..

      • The Sporting Chance

        Waiting for my plane in an international airport I had to pass through a crowd of muslimahs at the next gate over. They were holding 5 gallon jugs of water (must be really scarce in Saudi). The stench was unbelievable. How do they stand themselves? Next time you're in an airport that services Royal Saudi Airlines get close to the little darlings (average weight 240 pounds) but not after you've eaten if you want to retain your dinner.

  • hammar

    make 'em shave and bath! muhams are such pigs! Not only in faith but in real life..they never wipe under their
    dresses. that's why they belong in the desert with the pigs. But even real pigs are cleaner.

  • Phil

    At the risk of being insulted by internet strangers that I will never meet, I'm going to have to say I do not believe any part of the government's investigation or explanation on what happened that day or anything else they say. There were just way too many "coincidences."

    NORAD standing down (for the first time in it's existence), steel buildings being brought down due to fire (for the first and only time ever), suspected hijackers being found alive, no clear indication a plane hit the Pentagon (there tends to evidence of burning, engine imprints in the ground, the tail and fuselage) and, what I find most interesting, the person in charge of security for the entire WTC complex was Marvin Bush up until the morning of 9/11/01. I could go on and on, but it's a little too early in the morning for that…

    I don't understand how anybody could honestly say the investigation was proper and I don't see how wanting to know the TRUTH is a bad thing.

    • Amused

      Let me help you realize your fear of being insulted ….you're a total moron , ignorant of science , engineering , architecture ,physics – a TRUE TRUFER . You possess no common sense or reason , even denying what your own eyes have seen . But do not be discouraged DUFUS , I have a few freinds presently working on the new WTC 1 who would love to hear what you have to say on their lunch break .

      • Phil

        Science, engineering, architecture and physics all agree that the so called "official story" is crap. If I believed the government over all those things then I really would be a moronic "dufus" who lacks common sense and reason.

        Thanks for you reply. I enjoyed your use of…facts. Haha.

        • JoJoJams

          Phil, the towers were constructed completely different from how most buildings. They were'nt the usual steal skeletons with floors and walls added. they were essential centeral tubes with the floors added to this, further supported by the exoskeleton itself, which was pierced by the planes. We saw the planes hit with our own eyes. The truth is out there if you look for it beyond the "truther" crap. However, let's break this down nice and simple. WHICH building fell first? Interestingly enough, it was the one that got hit SECOND. Why did it fall first? Because the plane hit much lower, and there was 3 times the weight above the damage. Yes, an extreme fire CAN warp steel and soften it – it doesn't have to reach the melting point of steel! And the extreme weight, on the softened steal of the central core, in addition to the damage exoskeleton (thereby losing the load bearing of the building) caused them to come down. It really did happen. As to the pentagon, there are security camera movies/stills of the plane hitting, not to mention eye-witness accounts.

          • Phil

            JoJo, those buildings, according to the engineers who designed them, were made to be able to withstand a commercial airliner striking them. I believe the quote was something along the lines of a pencil going through a mosquito net. I find it very difficult to believe the planes and the fires (which were said to not have lasted very long) brought those towers down in a way that looks so much like a controlled demolition. What was the explanation of those explosions that followed the crash as the buildings were going down? Concrete and metal being turned to dust? Come on now.

            The Pentagon, it is my understanding that only one video was made public and that only shows a white blur, much smaller than how a HUGE PLANE with HUGE ENGINES would appear. What about the lawn? Have you seen those pictures? That lawn looks great! No evidence of a crash, no bodies, not even a scratch. That's some amazing lawn! Experienced pilots say that a plane of that size hitting the building in a way the government claims is essentially impossible.

            And I have never seen any stills of a plane hitting the Pentagon. Not a single one. I'd sure like a link, if you have one.

            Nothing, NOTHING, about that day adds up. And again, what is so bad about wanting to know the truth? Honestly.

  • http://apollospaeks.blogtownhall.com/ ApolloSpeaks

    It's the Chicago 7 all over again Islamic style.

  • BS77

    Last night I was reading accounts of the 9/11 survivors…many of whom were seriously injured, burned or traumatized deeply…they saw people roasted alive by jet fuel, saw scores of people jump to their deaths from ninety floors up rather than be burned alive….people who literally exploded upon impact with the concrete below….firefighters and rescue personnel who died getting thousands of people safely out of the burning towers….that's why it makes people sick to see these piles of garbage at Gitmo getting their fresh laundry, their special meals and all their idiotic needs met by our wimpy, PC over weaning need to please and make nice with everyone…..they should have been tried and executed nine years ago.

    • Seth

      AGREE