Fires of Hate Burn on in Afghanistan

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The situation remains tense in Afghanistan. On Wednesday, an Afghan civilian who worked for coalition forces as an interpreter crashed a stolen truck through protective barriers and drove at high speed onto a military airfield just minutes before US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta was to land. The airfield was located at Camp Bastion, a British military base that adjoins the American base Camp Leatherneck in southern Afghanistan’s troubled Helmand province. Although the attack did not injure anyone but the perpetrator, the incident was the most serious breach of security involving an American official of the war and highlighted the extraordinary strain between the government and military of President Hamid Karzai and their US and NATO partners.

In remarks delivered later during his trip, Panetta made it clear that such incidents — including the recent massacre of civilians — would not alter President Obama’s planned withdrawal of American combat forces by the end of next year when the Afghan army and police are handed responsibility for security in the war-torn country. In Washington, President Obama, who said after a meeting with British Prime Minister David Cameron on Wednesday that “real progress” was being made in Afghanistan, pledged to stick to the withdrawal timetable he set last year despite recent incidents involving the accidental burning of some Korans and the massacre of 16 civilians by a US soldier, which have enraged the Afghan people and government. Obama and Cameron mapped out a strategy for the next year while putting on a show of “rock solid” unity.

Meanwhile, a new Gallup poll revealed that 50% of Americans want to speed up the withdrawal timetable while only 24% believe we should stick with Obama’s plan. Just 21% think we should stay in Afghanistan until the mission is accomplished.

Such pessimism was not likely alleviated by the airport incident Wednesday. The Afghan civilian lost control of the truck — stolen earlier from a NATO soldier who was injured when he was pulled from the vehicle — and ended up in a ditch near the ramp where the secretary was to deplane. He emerged from the crash on fire, fleeing the scene in another truck before he was apprehended. He is reported to have suffered serious burns over 70% of his body.

It is thought that the interpreter did not know that Secretary Panetta was on the plane. Panetta’s visit was unannounced, but there is evidence that at least some Afghanistan military personnel knew the Secretary was coming before he landed. All 20 Afghan soldiers who were requested to come to the meeting with Panetta were asked to come unarmed.

Marine Major General Charles “Mark”  Gurganus, the new NATO International Security and Assistance Force commander for the area that covers Helmand Province, then ordered the American and other coalition soldiers to stack arms as well, ostensibly to avoid the impression that we can’t trust our Afghan allies.

Panetta told the assembled coalition forces at Camp Leatherneck, “We’ll be challenged by our enemy. We’ll be challenged by ourselves. We’ll be challenged by the hell of war itself. But none of that, none of that, must ever deter us from the mission that we must achieve.” The secretary, commenting on the massacre and Koran burnings said, “We will not allow individual incidents to undermine our resolve to that mission and to sticking to the strategy that we’ve put in place.”

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  • Saltire

    Disarming the Marines to make sure they were like their Afghan partners was stupid. This is a war zone, there is no safe place in that country. I don't care if the Afghans didn't have weapons, the Marines should never have been disarmed.

    They were disarmed "to avoid the impression that we can’t trust our Afghan allies." My view is that we can't trust the Afghans. They seem to have their own rogue problem and it far exceeds ours.

    Political correctness is going to be the death of this country.

    The Marines should never have been disarmed. It is time to get out of that hell hole and bring our folks home and leave Afghanistan for the Afghans.

    • Roger

      Our cowardly leaders must realize how unpopular they are with the rank and file soldiers.

      But to disarm them? Had a militant gotten a gun in the meeting the defense minister would have not had the resources of loyal soldiers to defend him. Just like at gun free zones where slaughters go on until a cop can show up.

    • namvet

      Our jackass “leaders” did the same thing for the Tet Offensive and we got handed out donkeys.

  • Larry

    Burn the place to the ground on the way out.

  • Anthony

    Who can blame he A-ghannis for hating this empire? Who the Hell is America to be pretending to “help” these tribesmen by being there and being nice? Everyone knows our objective is to transform their society into a mirror image of this multicultural, Pepsi drinking, black culture worshipping ghettolandia.

    I nev er thought Amerca would become the equivalent of the Star Wars Death Star and hat I would be on the side of the resistance.

    • Rifleman

      Would be?

    • Roger

      We'll have another president soon enough, and then the goal will chance back to what it was once.

    • UCSPanther

      Resistance only makes my junk harder…

    • diann

      Please – be my guest – leave America now and don't look back….

    • stevefraser

      The Taliban are no threat to the USA, whatsoever. Why are we there?

      • aspacia


  • Anthony

    Also, we send our top believer an Italian weirdo to talk to the troops. What a disgrace. I bet Paneta

    stained his underwear while watching an Afghan man run around his airplane on fire.

    • Zionista

      stay under your hod and shut up! You're a bigoted moron

      • Zionista


      • Anthony

        I have every right to be bigoted I so choose. So here is my opinion of you:

        F-you and the flea bitten horse you rode in on.

        • UCSPanther

          Did you come crawling here from Stormfront, or VNN?

      • mrbean

        Go take one and sit in it .

  • vlondo

    Its a disgrace we are there in that country – that country is not worth the death of one US Soldier.

    • Roger

      It's also not worth looking the other way while they give safe having to Al Qaida after they took down our towers.

      I remember how we negotiated with the taliban for Bin Ladin and how they toyed with us. We had no choice but to remove them from power.

      And don't worry, just like Iraq 'the dear one' is looking for excuses to have a scheduled surrender.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Damn dude, you are as ignorant of Islam as you are of Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum. Why am I not surprised. Like I said, don't lose your day job.

        • Roger

          I'm not ignorant.
          Denial won't make you any safer.

        • Western Canadian

          Makes as much sense as the rest of your posts….. none.

  • tagalog

    If Karzai says the Afghans are ready to take over their own national security tasks, why question his word? If that was the only bar to us leaving, Karzai has removed it; get out now. Let them all be as mad as they want to be at us, with our troops out of there.

  • jacob

    This should be the straw that broke the camel's back and the irreversible dictate to leave Afghanistan
    quicker than immediately.

    Let Afghans settled their own problems and let KARZAI get in bed with the Taliban.
    Let the Chimese or IRAN finance him and if not, loet the whole country go to hell.
    Afcter all, their national pastime has been to be killing each other for centuries and who are the Western
    people to teach them otherwise ???
    I know if I would be a Marine ordered to disarm, I would tell whoever is ordering it to go to hell and lets
    see if any of them would have the balls to court-martial me….
    I guess we have taken enough of this poor excuse of a "leadership"……
    GIVE HIM POWER…! ! ! ! !.

  • BS77

    We do not belong there…..but once we leave, the hideous Taliban will resume their horrific system of oppression….
    Still, if the Afghans want freedom and progress….they will have to figure out how to achieve it. I have been to Afghanistan and it's like Mars…..We cannot impose "democracy" on a medieval theocracy….Let them sort it out.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    President Obama, who said after a meeting with British Prime Minister David Cameron on Wednesday that “real progress” was being made in Afghanistan,

    If anyone is gullible enough to believe that garbage, then they must also believe Bill Clinton didn't inhale.

    Just 21% think we should stay in Afghanistan until the mission is accomplished.

    And never mind the fact that the objective is totally fantasy based, as every Islamic country in the world is a jihadists haven. Hell, thanks to mass Muslim immigration to the West, which is really covert and deceptive non-violent jihad for the purpose of mass infiltration and long-term stealth demographic conquest, so is most non-Islamic countries too.

    And NATO will maintain an enduring commitment, so that Afghanistan never again becomes a haven for al-Qaida to attack our countries.”

    I hate to rain on their lunatic parade, but all Islamic states in the world are jihadist havens. Not to mention, that Afghanistan is also already a jihadist haven as all Muslims on earth or either non-violent jihadists (the vast overwhelming majority) or violent jihadists (a tiny minority).

    Indeed, lifting up Muslims is as counterproductive as lifting up Hitler and the Nazis after WWII, as all Muslims in the world are the eternal mortal enemies of all non-Muslim unbelievers in the world. Otherwise, they are blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of mainstream orthodox Islam must be executed. It's chilling how incompetent our political elites and suck ass military commanders have become.

    Not to mention, that without millions of Muslim covert jihadists already living in America as a fifth column on 9/11, the 9/11 violent jihad attacks would have been absolutely impossible. Indeed, the only reason that violent jihadists are capable of attacking our homeland today, is because of mass Muslim immigration to the West, which is really covert and deceptive non-violent jihad for the purpose of mass infiltration and long-term demographic conquest.

    Indeed, had GWB outlawed Islam in America and banned and reversed mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage in response to 9/11, instead of proclaiming that Islam is a so-called Religion of Peace™ being hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists, even before the smoke had cleared from 9/11, while at the same time acting like a Dhimmicrat on steroids to more than double the size, scope, and power of the federal government without regard to how we would pay for it. Ostensibly to protect the homeland from so-called terrorist attacks, but in reality to create a false sense of security so that we could continue accommodating mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage. Violent jihad attacks on the homeland today would be impossible.

    Of course, the budget deficits and the national debt also wouldn't be exploding through the roof out of control either like it is today, the homeland would be exponentially far safer today, and the victims of violent jihad attacks on the homeland since 9/11, such as the Fort Hood Massacre, would also all still be alive and well today.

    Both leaders also reiterated their support for a political solution in Afghanistan, which means continued negotiations with the Taliban.

    Political solution, i.e, negotiating terms of surrender. Indeed, the only reason our troops are still in Afghanistan today propping up our eternal mortal enemies and dying for nothing at the same time is so the politicians and the Generals can cover up one of the two greatest strategic blunders ever in American history. Iraq being the other one. If there is any justice left, every political elite in the GWB administration and the Obama administration responsible for these monstrosities needs to be held to account and punished to the fullest extent of the law.

    Indeed, both fantasy based nation-building missions in Iraq and Afghanistan were premised on the same false PC multicultural myth, namely that Islam is a so-called Religion of Peace™ and that the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims in the world are moderates. Yet, both fantasy based nation-building missions in Iraq and Afghanistan inevitably turned into the two biggest strategic blunders ever in America history thanks to that false PC multicultural myth, and never mind the fact that mass Muslims immigration with all of its excess baggage, which is really covert and deceptive non-violent jihad for the purpose of mass infiltration and long-term demographic conquest, is welcomed today in the USA because it is also premised on that same exact totally absurd and ludicrously false PC multicultural myth.

    What kind of country America and its NATO allies leave in 2014, however, is still open to question.

    Maybe for you it is an open question, but not for me. It will be our eternal mortal enemy exactly like every Islamic country in the world is today.

    • Western Canadian

      “Indeed, lifting up Muslims is as counterproductive as lifting up Hitler and the Nazis after WWII, as all Muslims in the world are the eternal mortal enemies of all non-Muslim unbelievers in the world.”

      Since you are not very well informed, this may come as a shock to you: hitler didn’t survive the second world war. And just as there were non-nazi germans who made up the bulk of those the allies worked with after the end of the war, there were non-muslim groups that could have been strengthened in Iraq. Your effort at an analogy fails. No surprise.

      And quite using the world ‘indeed’ so often, makes you look dense.

  • BLJ

    Karzai seems to be making out quite well playing both sides against the middle. Afghanistan is a basket case and always will be. We should get out now.

    The idea of making our Marines stand down is a friggin joke. They already cannot fight with both hands against a lowlife scumbag of an enemy. Let the Afghans kill each other for that worthless piece of rock.

  • crackerjack

    Afghanistan a desaster. Iraq a desaster. What do we learn? Keep out of Iran.

    • mrbean

      Disaster my boy, disaster. I wonder if Jack Crackpot, aka crackerjack even graduated from high school?

      • BS77

        yeah, crackerjack ain't the brightest bulb on the chandelier.

  • Daniel

    The god complexes of our politicians are frightening to behold. Panetta thinks by blathering on that he will magically calm a turbulent situation.

    The REALITY of a militant's bomb intrudes on his moment of self glorification before it really gets started.

    Everyday our 'leaders" seem more like the moribund Roman politicians immediately before the fall.

  • mrbean

    Once again I say, "cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war". Muslims don't want to be tolerant, they don't want allies, they don't want to assimilate, they want to change the west to conform to Islam and Sharia law. They all are the enemy. Useful idiot dhimmis just want no conflict and the alligator to eat them last. Muck the Fuzzlims! It is time to kill 'em all, wrap 'em in their prayer rugs and put 'em all in piles, burn 'em all using Qu'ans for kindling and pork grease for a fire- starter, and let Allah sort 'em out. Crispy critters will never come back for rematches.

    • stevefraser

      But why not just leave…..the Left is gonna use the Mexicans to destroy our Republic, not the Muzzies.

  • g_jochnowitz

    The Taliban was overthrown by a coalition of NATO and the United Front, an Afghani group. When Kabul was liberated, women rejoiced by going to the zoo, which they hadn't been allowed to do under the Taliban.
    The Taliban destroyed the 5th-century Buddhist sculptures at Bamiyan. Now that Afghans are rioting over the destrucgtion of copies of the Koran–copies that can easily be reprinted–we should be reminding the world of the destruction of these unique works of art.
    Where is the United Front today? Has Afghanistan suddenly become united in favor of the Taliban and its values?

  • John

    This is all pretty typical of a military occupation. If things do not work out fairly early on, the longer you hang around the less the locals like you. The joke is that it is somehow going to be better a year from now or ten years from now.

  • Dispozadaburka

    In order to establish a "New World Order" chaos will be worldwide. Islam being the spark. "
    " There are frequent historical links between Muslim religion and the origins of Masonry. The most obvious connection with Islam in the world of the Lodge is, of course, the Shrine. Most don't know that the actual title of the Shriner organization is the"Ancient Arabic Order, Nobles of the Mystic Shrine." For example, the Shrine initiate must swear the usual awful oath on the holy book of the Islamic faith, the Koran, ending thus:
    …and may Allah, the god of Arab, Moslem and Mohammedan,(Baal), the God of our Fathers, support me to the entire fulfillment of the same, Amen, Amen, Amen." (Shrine Ritual Monitor, Allen Publishing, p(p33-39) The red Fez itself, associated with the Shrine, is actually an article of ceremonial attire among Moroccan Muslims.

  • Dispozadaburka

    Con't.) "Its color is said to reflect the fact that centuries ago, Islamic armies invaded Fez and slaughtered thousands of Christians who resided there. The blood of Christian martyrs ran in the streets, and the Islamic "holy" warriors dipped their headgear in the blood and dyed them scarlet.
    Masonry Beyond the Light by William Schnoebelen

    • stan

      …by Jack T. Chick publications! Awesome! Have you read The Devil’s Disciples, the truth About Rock Music?!