The Islamists’ Allies in Law Enforcement

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If you are searching for proof of the success of stealth jihad, then look no further than the Islamists’ success in becoming partners with law enforcement agencies eager to reach out to the Muslim community.

Los Angeles should be particularly embarrassed by an exposé by the Investigative Project on Terrorism published on June 1. Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca is among the most high-profile defenders of the Muslim Brotherhood’s fronts in the U.S., including the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). He stands by the group’s innocence, even though the federal government designated it as an “unindicted co-conspirator” in the trial of the Holy Land Foundation, a front set up by the Muslim Brotherhood to finance Hamas. The FBI subsequently ended its use of CAIR as a liaison, but some in law enforcement, such as Sheriff Baca, believe they know better than the agency. CAIR has honored Baca with an award for his support. Los Angeles County Deputy Sherif Morsi received it on his behalf.

The Los Angeles Police Department’s Deputy Chief Michael Downing, who is the Commanding Officer of the Counter-Terrorism and Special Operations Bureau, shows some knowledge of the Muslim Brotherhood, but dismisses accusations that it is currently a threat because, in his words, it has “evolved and changed.”

On May 15, 2011, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Muslim Public Affairs Unit held a town hall at the Islamic Center of Southern California, a mosque with Brotherhood origins. It was moderated by the Muslim Public Affairs Council, a group that was founded by Brotherhood ideologues. Tom Trento of The United West held up a copy of Shariah: The Threat to America, authored by top national security experts, and asked if the speakers believe that there is a Muslim Brotherhood presence in Los Angeles County and what is being done about it.

Downing answered the question by conceding that he is “sure” that the Brotherhood is in his county, but did not address its threat potential. Trento approached him after the event and, on videotape, Downing said that “the message is not to demonize the Brotherhood here” because it has “evolved and changed.” He compared it to how there are more moderate and more extreme elements of the Republican and Democratic parties and said it would be wrong to oppose a group like the Muslim Students Association just because it was founded by the Brotherhood.

He then encouraged Trento to study ijtihad, an Islamic concept that permits independent scrutiny of specific interpretations. When Trento responded that, according to mainstream Islamic theology, ijtihad is “closed,” Downing disagreed, only saying, “it’s not.” The United West’s video of the encounter then quotes the 2011 edition of the Encyclopedia Britanica about ijtihad, confirming that it was declared a thing in the past by the Islamic schools of jurisprudence by 1258 A.D. Downing would later use the incident as an example of those who “want to instill fear in the hearts of the American people because they don’t tell the truth.”

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  • truebearing

    The pain caused by fools like Baca should be visited upon him ten-fold, and the same goes for the Left in general. They are enabling Islam to get its tentacles into the very agencies that protect the nation from them. It is traitorous.

    • Looking4Sanity

      Now you're catching on. We are surrounded by traitors and saboteurs. This is precisely why we have a 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.

    • Choi

      How many stars does Baca need to convince himself he's "The Sheriff"?
      Even the Army doesn't have any 5-Star Generals at this time.

      • WilliamJamesWard

        I wonder how long it will be before Ali Baca defines California as the West Bank….?
        William

  • H&R_ Barack

    Remember that the Islamic desert warrior is considered shrewd to invite his enemies as honored guests for dinner only to jump across the table with scythes at the ready to slice up his guests beguiled by his charm.

    Take note Los Angeles.

    • Looking4Sanity

      Pardon me for not thinking that a bunch of camel jockeys who squat in the sand are "shrewd". IMHO, they would all have died of their own stupidity if not for the fact that the Devil looks after his own.

      I did get a good chuckle out of that whole "shrewd" thing though!

  • Schlomotion

    Ryan Mauro is a Christian extremist who believes that Muslims should be purged from the US police force. We should also ask the police if they support the Christian Action Network, as Mr. Mauro does. Mr. Mauro is called "National Security Advisor at Christian Action Network." I personally have not heard of a more disgusting thing. These people have no place offering national security advice. There should be a strong separation between church and state, and Christian Identity Nationalists have no place wheedling their way into genuine government to peddle their racial and religious hatreds.

    • Lee Poteet

      And anyone who has read the major Islamic “holy books” knows that there is a world of difference between all Christians and Jews and Islam and its defenders. I have personally seen the way in which Muslim “groom” police departments in the same way in which they take advantage of young women to force them into prostitution. In the doing of same they make all of us less safe because it is Islam that justifies violence against all others to get its way.

      Since the Constitution in no place requires a “separation between Church and State” the very use of the phrase is an indication of a bias against the very people who wrote it and founded this country. And just what religious and racial hatreds are you, Schlomotion, peddling today?

      • Schlomotion

        That's not a very good rebuttal. Your points are:

        1) Christians and Muslims are better than Jews.
        2) There is no separation between Church and State.

        That is not a good basis to launch off and accuse me of religious and racial hatred. I support you and your religion as long as you mind your place in a free republic. No one is trying to deprive you of your tripod page. You're free to fight your 18th Century Anglican battle on the cheap internet.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          How many times have Christian fundamentalists

          - hijacked planes and flew them into office buildings?

          timothy mcveigh was EXECUTED for his role in the bombing of the Murrah Federal building in OKC.

          Why are the blink snake and his cohorts still alive after their conviction in the 1993 truck bombing of the WTC?

          Happy Nakba Schlocky!

          • Schlomotion

            Gee, I don't know. Why don't you read up on it:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why? Can you show Christ taught to do it?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            My my, you don't even believe in anything outside your hate. And you presume to know enough about my religion to say Hitler was in, but I'm not?

            Hahahahahahahahaha….. oh wee wee, you are just too much.

          • Ricky Michael

            Moving here for room. I have found another reference for you.
            Tacitus, Annals 15.44

            Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.

          • Ricky Michael

            Here is what I found. The "copies" are held in the Vatican Library and seem to date back to the 4th century. Which, makes them suspect.

            Tacitus and Josephus are the only other historical references I could find, both date late 1st century to 2nd. That makes them credible sources that the Christ "Christus" existed.

            Still we have the issue of no matter what there is in evidence, it will not be enough for you. It seems that the atheist websites cover both these two indiviuals extensively already. No matter what I find its never going to be enough "proof" for some people.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you embarrass yourself then by mentioning Hitler, the mythical figure that was never reported by people who lived at the same time without bias.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Too much mountain dew at lunch? Having trouble understanding clear plain english?There are meetings for that you know.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Where have you been WeeTodd? Roger has had the biggest case of blue balls waiting for you. He can' stop talking about you with everyone.

            I have never seen a homo so much in love.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I follow you like a puppy leaking poop on the floor.

            It's all you have, is poop to spread around here.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Roger, how does it feel to love a man that can never love you back?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            How does it feel to pretend everyone loves men the way you do?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            I guess I am wrong then.

            You must have a girlfriend that really loves you. So much that she doesn't care that you give her ZERO time, and instead spend everyday and every waking hour chasing men on the internet.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You wouldn't understand normal relationships.

            So, is your two handed bong an old sippy cup?

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Do you think anyone on this site or any other believe you have a girlfriend?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's not a dating site, so they don't care.They come here to debate events and ideas.You? Not so much. But what could we expect from a pot abusing troll who wants violent revolution.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Well they don't think you do have a girlfriend, even if you don't care.

            And they are not wrong.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Frankly it's none of your business so I don't care what you think about it.

            Focus, grab the bong with both hands…

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            Is that what you tell David when he asks you why you don't have a girlfriend?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You need to make sure your medical marijuana isn't laced with something.

          • Alinsky USA HERO

            So that is what you must say.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It does explain a great deal of you mental instability.

          • Jesusinator

            Why would I spread your s hit around? <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style=”BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px”></DIV>

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Smearing your poop on things is just what you do. Why should you expect me to explain your poison?

          • Ricky Michael

            Paul, John, Matthew, Peter, Luke, James all saw him and wrote about him. But that doesn't matter, they are all made up men too, right?

          • Ricky Michael

            Every christian is a saint. The Catholic church has mis-applied this as with many other Biblical things.

            All I see in your argument here is opinion of some "scholars" Again your answer is predictable, looking for some evidence that will not present itself to you in a manner which will convince you. Oh-well.

          • Wyatt Trash

            LOL – "Wikipedia" – the last refuge of the intelligentsia.

    • Looking4Sanity

      …and you are a brainless douchebag who never has a kind word for anyone. Do the world a favor and get yourself fitted for a suicide vest, moron.

      • Schlomotion

        That's not very Christian of you, Charles.

        • Looking4Sanity

          The truth shall set you free. Besides…you're no Christian at all, so you have no say in that regard.

          I shouldn't be surprised you'd say that. Leftist proglib pukes like yourself are always sticking their noses where it doesn't belong. One day you'll get it chopped off.

          • Schlomotion

            Actually, I do. Having read the Bible many times, I know that you are going stray from the teachings of Christ when you call people foul names, bear false witness, and exhort people to death. Those are basic transgressions against the love of God.

          • Looking4Sanity

            I've read the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf…that doesn't make me a Commie or a Nazi. You're no Christian.

          • Schlomotion

            I don't need to be a Christian to know that you fail the basic teachings in the Book of Matthew by the fruit of your tree.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Maybe God doesn't want you in Heaven and I'm just the person He's using to insure it doesn't happen.You can blame me for not being a Christian all you want, but the fact is you have only yourself to blame.Ever wonder why Jesus only taught in parables? It was to prevent unbelievers like you from receiving salvation.

          • Schlomotion

            He was pretty straightforward about not calling people names and calling for their deaths.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Funny how you are just full of hate and bigotry.

            (sarcasm)

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Funny how muslim friendly you are for someone that claims atheism.

            Oh, that's not funny. So, did another liquid lunch leave you angry and bitter at life again?

            There are meetings for that.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Hi, Roger. I just came in for a work break and found all this stupidity on my PC. I'm beginning to respond to it now, but thanks for taking my slack while I was away. It's always appreciated. ;o)

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He's so full of himself, and other brown smelly affluent.

          • Schlomotion

            Affluent? He's rich?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's a secret code word, without the decoder ring you will never understand.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Meanwhile islamofascists call for the deaths for all sorts of people

            and DO murder all sorts of people.

            That is why socialists consider islamofascists their allies.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Yeah. And He was pretty straightforward about ALL falling short of the Glory of God, too. Did you miss that part, or is it all just the punch line to some sick joke of yours? It seems to me that you're of the opinion that throwing mud on someone else somehow makes you cleaner. That falls under the umbrella of blatant stupidity. Congrats on that, by the way!

          • Looking4Sanity

            I'm sure I would if it were up to you. It must really burn your shorts that it isn't. I find that humorous!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The atheist sounds muslim when it comes to punishment and pain.

            You should have heard him on another thread this morning talking about men and urine filled pants.

            He is into some pretty sick stuff.

          • Looking4Sanity

            That doesn't surprise me in the least. I know the spirit of antichrist when I encounter it. That's just Christianity survival 101. I knew he was a sick puppy when first I saw him. Alas…he's only getting worse as time goes on. Time is running out on him just as it is for everyone else in this age. Judgement is coming and the @ssholes of the world refuse to acknowledge it. Too bad for them I suppose?

          • Wyatt Trash

            Really. Matt 23:33 – You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

          • Looking4Sanity

            I merely suggested an option that I thought you might find attractive. You sound like you move in that circle.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still pretending to know about Christianity?

            Why not stick to the ones you do know? What does sharia do? It makes people hate just like you do.

            And you can't prove you exist.
            And I can prove you're wrong. Matt 19:18. It's not a parable and it shows you're wrong about Christ.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course I did.
            And are you know claiming to accept the Bible as a reliable source? Are you know admitting Jesus lived and taught?

            See, you can't have it both ways.

            And Matt 19:18 proves he did say things not in parables.

            The thing you refuse to admit is that Jesus didn't lock people into stupid. He hoped they would grow and change. So, you can't show that Mark 4 was static, but Matt 19 is.

            You like to be batted around and humiliated, don't you? It's almost as if you're an Iranian or something. Did you miss last week due to a computer virus or something?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It is reliable, when the person using it is.

            All you ever show is that you don't have a clue what it's for. That you're too blind to understand anything and that you are too bigoted to pay attention.

            So, speaking of worthless why do you always sound so angry when you get back from those liquid lunches?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It is reliable, when the person using it is.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Funny how he's always trashing the Bible and then uses it for reference material, isn't it? I wonder if he even knows how ridiculous it makes him look?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't think he cares if he looks ridiculous.

            Or he would think twice before any of his comments went out.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Truly so.

          • Wyatt Trash

            No self-respecting historian doubts the existance of the man called Jesus of Nazareth. Please come out of the 70s and update your knowledge.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Just imagine going through the land shortly after the death of Jesus and finding and recording things about him. It was done by all sorts of people. Dr. Luke, Josephus, the governor of Egypt worked to start a church.

            Imagine some fool coming along later and pretending none of that mattered.

          • Ricky Michael

            Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD, includes two references to Jesus in Books 18 and 20 and a reference to John the Baptist in Book 18.

          • Ricky Michael

            Not when he lived during the same time period and was a contemporary. Also, I could write about Hitler right now, some odd sixty years after his death. I know for certain that he lived and did what he did. I could write acurately about him, a history of him as you will, form what I could find out about him.

            Five hundred years from now, does my writing no longer count as acurate because I was not alive when Hitler lived? Does that give you the right to discount my writing about someone that everyone around me knows of at the time I wrote it?

            You reject the work of a well known historian only because it doesn't fit your biased belief system. If you accepted his work, then Jesus lived and if so, he might have been what he said he was. Uh-oh……

          • Eyes_Open

            Depends on where you get your information, did you get it from a Jew with a tattoo on his/her arm, or from someone that denies that any such holocaust ever happened. I can find plenty of sources on both sides and 500 years from now the information will be even muddier, so you could write a great biography about how Hitler was scandalized by lies that he was killing Jews in horrific ways and that pushed him to suicide, and people would believe it because you were a "contemporary" and had plenty of sources.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Coming to the rescue for wee wee?
            He wasn't doing so well. Are you one of his parallel profiles today?

          • Eyes_Open

            I am not now nor have I ever been. I was just looking for some lively conversation to enhance my day.

            Will you be debating with pose and posture today, or will you be stooping to 3rd grade insults?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That depends one who I'm debating with.

            I'd prefer ideas to be used.
            I expect posture from most.

            But liberal trolls always resort to insults.

          • Ricky Michael

            You present a biased closed minded view. If I accepted your premise then none of our "so-called" history books are true and accurate. They are all worthless and can't be trusted because they just don't fit into my belief system.

            Hilter existed and I know that existed without having seen him in person. I can write about him, using my skills and style of writing. The same thing occured with Josephus. He was able to meet with and talk to people who in fact saw Jesus. He could go to the temple and see for himself what the scribes had written about the events of their day. He writing is as valid as any of our history books. Only the reader's own bias as they read the writings matter now.

          • Eyes_Open

            I'm not close minded at all, if anything you are being close minded and bias because of you beliefs. I do believe that he did exist, but not that he was any kind of a god, but I don't close my mind to the possibility that some or most or all of the writings about Jesus could have been totally fictitious.

            And you can't believe all of the history books, as we all know history is written by the victors, so if you want to know the truth you must dig deep enough to find the things that they didn't want you to know and compare the two "truths". Only a hands-on eye witness knows the real truth, and their telling will often be bias if they were on one side or the other and not a neutral observer.

          • Ricky Michael

            The debate with Mr. Edwards was over whether Jesus existed or not. Thank you for admitting that he did in fact exist. Both of us can have our opinions over his deity.

            Josephus' view of Jesus was defiantely not that of a victor. It is well known that he was a roman loving jew with no reason to write about Jesus at all. But he did write about him and noted the events surrounding the man called the christ. There was no bias one way or the other in what he wrote. He noted what he saw as the facts.

          • Eyes_Open

            Now honestly RM, you have know way at all of knowing that his writings weren't bias. Throughout history people, writers, and scribes have been known to write with a bias, and then talk for years about how they really were for the other side but were "converted" by what they saw, or some have been paid to write what they didn't believe in, and for the love of money they did.

            I'm not saying that he defiantly fell into one of these molds, but there isn't anyway to show that he defiantly didn't. And for the open minded that believes in scrutinizing everything, you must be willing to consider the possibility. With no definitive evidence otherwise, the possibility must be left open.

            Oh, and just a point of note, I didn't said that Jesus did in fact exist, I said I BELIEVE that he did, but with so many contradictions surrounding his life I do still leave the slim possibility that I am wrong, open.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So what if they were?
            Abraham Lincoln was biased and he wasn't totally disregarded as presidential candidate before his election.

            Why do you keep thinking that bias means 'liar'?

          • Ricky Michael

            Look at what he wrote, was he biased for or against the christian movement? From what he wrote, it matches with the claims in the NT. He did not said that he was a criminal either, he said he was a good man.

            I also BELIEVE that he existed. By your logic, the new testament is not enough, Josephus iss not enough, the letters of Pilate are not enough, the statements from a governor of eqypt are not enough. How much, is ever going to be enough?

          • Eyes_Open

            I'm not sure that there can ever be an absolute, irrefutable case for Jesus's existence, no more than there can ever be an absolute, irrefutable case for the manner that life got it's start in the evolutionary tract. That doesn't mean we can't be very, very positive that he did exist without absolute proof. And no, the new testament isn't enough because there are way to many inconstancies in it to say that any one particular set of events is the right one.

          • Ricky Michael

            The NT has always been meant to be taken by faith, not proof. The atheist wants proof. A good and open heart doesn't need the proof you two want.

            I can look at all creation and know that God is. All nature screams it out. Only the deaf and dumb cannot see it.

            I have enjoyed our talk. We will never agree on this while we are both alive. However, we can agree that we will both know for certain who was right after we are both dead.

          • Eyes_Open

            A good and open "christian" heart doesn't need proof to follow blindly. Just because someone desires facts and proof doesn't make them closed or bad, just curious and thorough. I believe in my Gods completely and without reserve. I offer you no proof, and don't ask you to believe. That is one of the big differences in the two religions, you want everybody to believe as you do, it is one of you main doctrines. If a religion is the truth, everybody will come to it in time, if not everyone will leave it in time, no need for me to attempt to convert anyone.

            We will both agree one day, but it will be many life times before it will happen.

          • Ricky Michael

            My religious says to go forth and make diciples of all nations. Follwing that is part of my faith. Because you reject what I say, doesn't cause me to want to harm you in any way. But I object to constantly being lumped in with the zelots who mis-use the scripture they proclaim. Hitler may have been one of these, he was no christian fellow of mine. He was an apostate who defied the commands of Christ.

          • Eyes_Open

            I have never lumped you into that group, I have made it very clear that I know there are fundamentalist zealots in all religions that will misuse the religion to their own ends.

            I don't blame people today for the things that their religion has done in the past, if they are willing to recognize what was done wrong and not continue the bad behavior. But so far there are still a large number of "Christians" that see no problem in continuing that behavior. And just as I have protested that the moderate Muslims aren't very vocal in condemning the extremes of their religion, so aren't the moderate Christians in trying to combat the extremes in theirs.

            You are a good man I believe, and their are many other good Christians, but there are also bad elements to be dealt with.

          • Ricky Michael

            Saying all the christian religion is bad because of "some" is not an acurate assertion. Mr. edwards constantly proclaims this, every day. He has always been polite to me, however, his message is one of hate toward my faith, which places me square in the cross hairs.

            I suppose a Wiccan or two might have done some very wrong things as well, no religion has 100% correct behavior. I supposed that there are a few atheists in prison also.

          • Eyes_Open

            Just as you don't want to be lumped in with all Christians, you shouldn't lump me in with all non-Christians. Yes there are bad people in all religions. WTE and I do agree on some points, but I don't take his tact and I do have a different belief than he does.

            I believe I will call it a day, must start preparing for my sisters B-Day dinner. Good day.

          • Ricky Michael

            Have a good evening.

            I would like to read an argument from your prospective "proving" Wicca. I suspect that you would have the same difficulties I have with "proof."

          • Eyes_Open

            As I have said before, I don't attempt to "prove" Wicca, but I also don't attempt to convert or push my religion on other people. When a major part of your religious doctrine is to convert people to your way of thought, you should be ready to "prove" that your way of thought is the right and factual way. When, in the middle ages, people realize that they couldn't "prove" Christianity, the violent conversions started. That has lead us to the impasse we have today. Christian violent conversions of the past are accepted by Christians of today as part of the past and ok, while at the same time condemning Islam for the same action. I condemn all violent conversions and it is never OK that it happened. I don't blame the Christians of today, unless they show the same tendencies, but the religion is still based in a violent past.

          • Ricky Michael

            Let me some this up as I understand it. You have no basis for your belief in "Gods?"

            Have you even read the New Testament? If you really have, then you would know that Christianity is a religion of peace. No where in the NT are followers told to harm anyone. When people do that behavior, they are violating the NT.

          • Eyes_Open

            I have a basis for my knowledge of the gods, I just don't go around trying to force that knowledge on other people.

            I have read the entire bible several times. In fact I have read 4 different versions, and I have read the King James version, cover to cover, three times (as it is the most used version).
            I know that it was meant to be a religion of peace, but it was spread to many places through violence.

          • Ricky Michael

            Forcing religion upon others is not adhering to the principals. There we can agree.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No problem in continuing what behavior?

            If you want to attack religious violence, then why do you ignore islam?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not for someone such as yourself determined to reject it. There has been historical evidence for the open minded however.

          • Ricky Michael

            Plato, did he exist? Very little evidence of his existance is available to prove he was alive and wrote his stuff. We all generally accept the fact of his existance by seeing what he wrote. But, the sheer amount of Bibical written evidence, in the form of fragments, copies, etc. overwhelms and totally dwarfs what is available for for the existance of Plato.

            No, Mr. Eyes, it's all about your and Mr. Edwards' biased belief system, whether you will accept the Jesus and the writing about him are real or not.

          • Eyes_Open

            Plato didn't claim to be a god, and many conflicting reports of his life don't exist. This makes it a little easier to accept the story of his life. But the details of his life don't come into conflict, because we don't have many details of his life. As with any historical figure, the more we know, the more conflicting stories and opinions you will find.

            So I guess we are both bias, you toward you belief in the religion, me toward my desire for factual evidence and resolutions to the conflicting stories.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And there is more factual evidence of Jesus than most other people of his era.

            You simply refuse to accept any of it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, you're settled behind your work terminal and ready to start spamming with hate filled propaganda again today?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course they do, but you dismiss it since you're committed to a muslim friendly view of religion.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, today are you going to talk about liking men who pee their pants, or was that a one time slip?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Come on wee wee, you small tiny little man. Why not bring up your favorite hero Hitler and not tie anything he did to the teachings of Christ yet again?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            All we have backing another famous atheist Karl Marx is hearsay.

            That's just so flimsy, even you should be tired of using that line.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Pilor met and knew him, the writer of Matthew and John saw and heard him.

            You reject Jesus because of other reasons, why bother lying about it?

          • Ricky Michael

            With your logic, all the picture evidence of Hitler are fakes done by some actor, Here is the real Hilter right here.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmEAo-nzBgY

          • Ricky Michael

            Thne none to the history books prior to in the invetion of photographs are valid because we only have the hearsay of the people around those time periods writing them.

            I find your justication for not believing a historical document commical. It wouldn't matter if it were 100% acurate or not. Even if we found an original letter of Paul, you wouldn't believe it because it goes against your belief system. Even if someone who died and came back to talk to you about it, you would not believe him either. You would not believe yourself if God actually spoke to you. You have closed your mind to all possibilities and reject because of your bias.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So you're stuck on that still?
            You ignore all the people who did right about him and call them biased and then use every other sources as a reason to doubt His life?

            That's funny. All evolutionists are biased, and since no one else believes it, then it's not real.

          • Ricky Michael

            Another video of Hitler. Oh my, which version of history will I believe?
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTz3NL32AM&fe

          • Ricky Michael

            The guy in that video was obivously Moe Howard of the three stooges with a mustashe. You can't fool me Mr. Edwards.

          • Ricky Michael

            Great pictures proving Hilter was a Catholic. His actions proved that he was not Christian.

            18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Matt 7:18-20

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Unless you can tie the teachings of Christ to any of your talking points, you're still barking up the wrong tree, as usual.

            But as a hate filled bigot that won't stop you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            From the guy who says Hitler was a Christian and I'm not, you don't have a clue.

            Why not stick to the one or two things you do know about. Call for violence and explain hatred.

          • Patriot2Opine

            We tod ed,

            There you are as always, thrashing about as the feckless buffoon of all ages. Try something out for a change, unless of course thinking hurts too much for you. Use logic and attempt to understand both sides of an argument before you engage what little grey matter you have in an emotional fit of pathetic drivel.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You looked at them through your viewpoint of bigotry

            You still the product of your environment, why not admit what that is? Are you a felon who was recruited to islam in prison?

          • Patriot2Opine

            Looking and attempting to understand the basis for the doctrine are not necessarily the same thing. Theology is more than just reading. Understanding the history, principles, and being able to analyze them with a semblance of critical thought goes a long way. Spewing talking points and circular logic in an effort to debase a religion only proves that an agenda beyond that of just not believing is present. I have told you on many occasions that you should mend whatever disagreement you have with God. You will find that God is very forgiving and will answer your questions.

          • Ricky Michael

            Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day.

            Jewish Antiquities 18.3.3

          • Ricky Michael

            But the younger Ananus who, as we said, received the high priesthood, was of a bold disposition and exceptionally daring; he followed the party of the Sadducees, who are severe in judgment above all the Jews, as we have already shown. As therefore Ananus was of such a disposition, he thought he had now a good opportunity, as Festus was now dead, and Albinus was still on the road; so he assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as lawbreakers, he delivered them over to be stoned.

            Jewish Antiquities 20.9.1

          • Ricky Michael

            You also might want to send the British museum a letter and tell them that the copies of the "Letters of Pilate" that they have in their vault are nothing but a bunch of fakes. I am sure you would be able to convince them to toss them out.

            Like it or not, the thousands of Bible fragments, so many that they are only numbered, mention throughout, the followers of the christ, or Jesus directly, or the christain way. The only way that could be possible is that the Son of God, Jesus, came here in the flesh, incarnate. Those who say otherwise are called "Anti-Christs." Therefore, that sir, is what you are when you deny him coming in the flesh.

            and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
            1 John 4:2-

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            But the real Pilate was later transferred to Egypt as governor and helped found the Christian Coptic Church there.

            Why do you hate Christianity so much? That's the real issue here.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And MIckey Mouse was an expert and denied a lot of things.

            Why do you throw these things out and pretend you have any credibility?

            And there were enough people that mention Jesus in their writings. Let's see… Matthew, Mark, Luke, John… They were even all organized in one place so you can find them all conveniently.

          • Ricky Michael

            The artifacts held in the British museum have been date tested back to the 2nd or 3rd century, way before Crozier was born. There is no reason to cast doubt on these copies of the letters. The Museum doesn't have a practice of keeping fakes in their vaults.

            Your argument here doesn't work.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I would suggest that your troll tactics are failing.
            No one claims to believe in the life of Christ based on these letters you keep trying to steer the discussion towards.

            You just can't get past the hate, can you?

          • Ricky Michael

            Here, Roger is correct. My faith is not based on these letters. you asked for documentation (acient) from something other than the Bible a long time ago, of the events surrounding Jesus. I gave them to you.

            The truth, you weren't really wanting any. You will/would/have discounted and rationalized away anything that even comes close to saying that God exists.

          • Ricky Michael

            Interesting, I will investigate.

            One way or the other, it changes nothing for me. I suspect that if I do find that they have them, it will change nothing for you either.

          • Looking4Sanity

            How do I know? Because He said so, moron. It's documented.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're documented, and no one believes you.

            Are you sure you're documented? The only people who say you are are biased, so we can't trust them.

          • Looking4Sanity

            It's not my problem that your teachers never taught you how to identify an authoritative research source.

            They probably tried and you were just too stupid to teach.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Or he started on that flask at a young age.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Another distinct possibility

          • Patriot2Opine

            Perhaps the he is the genetic result of "bath salt" parents?

          • Looking4Sanity

            It's possible, I suppose. I seem to remember hearing about some bad acid going around as far back as Woodstock. I never gave it much thought, but this guy could look like Mr. Potato Head for all we know!

          • Patriot2Opine

            Pretty much sounds like a Potato Head pal. No real substance but full of starch.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Or a more musical food, such as beans.

          • Patriot2Opine

            Legume Le Gasse.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Every single time.

            What teaching of Christ did Hitler follow again?

          • Patriot2Opine

            No, you have yet to prove anyone else wrong.

            You prove me correct every time you attack Christianity. I maintain that you are not a true atheist. The conversation with you is the same and equivocation is your best tool which is in dire need of replacement.

            Answer this one question using some critical thought.
            What is so wrong with the Ten Commandments?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He wants to declare jihad and burn Christians alive in their church.

            Here's how he put it.

            24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
            "The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO"

            That sounds like a very specific religion and it's not atheism.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, you reject everything and use talking points.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, you keep doing that.
            It's nice to see you keep yourself amused.

            Too bad you have to do it here.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Excuses?
            That would be you and every credible person who accepted Jesus.

            Why so much hate?

          • Ted G

            Come on Schlomo, you purposefully keep poking the bear…what do you expect?

          • Schlomotion

            Baby bears.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Zoophiliac!

          • Galveston

            picked up a few things in the madrassah

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Actually, can you show a single teaching of Christ was being followed?
            That's why your hate doesn't work. You can't tie the failed pretenders to my religion, not in any meaningful way. They didn't follow Christ and His teachings.

          • Ricky Michael

            This is what Adolf heard.

            And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
            Matthew 7:22-24

          • Ricky Michael

            You know more about Hitler than me. Don't know if he ever read a Bible or not.

            The verse is Matthew 7:22-24. It fits his behavior very well in my opinion.

          • Ricky Michael

            Perhaps, however, his actions have never come close to the teachings of Christ, no matter how hard you try to link the two together. It takes more than a person's "say so" to make him a real christian. It takes behavior that matches what is written in the scriptures to make someone a Christian.

            13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. 16 For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. James 3:13-17

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If you used reasoning, you wouldn't be holding up Hitler as a Christian when you can't show he followed any of Christ's teachings.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You can't show he followed the teachings of Christ.

            That's the acid test for Christians.

            So, you're applying a muslim standard and calling it atheist? I call you a hate filled bigot.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The Bible is many things.

            And why do you deserve a well laid out answer to that question?

            You don't know what's in line with Christ's teachings, or are just too hate filled as a bigot to admit it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Really? Says the man who's so muslim friendly you're not allowed to own one?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If you were worried about your kids, then you'd get rid of the hate.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, self hate much.
            You drip with it.

          • Ricky Michael

            Sad to say, but by in large the Catholics do not practice the teachings. I have run across a few, but not many. I have history with the catholic faith, remember?

            But, it is the same in all religions, the hypocrites are there. As for no real christians, there has always be a remnant present throughout history. Small in number at times. It doesn't matter, what matters is to truly practice the teachings, whole heartedly. This I and the people I run with try to do. I am not perfect, but I try.

            Why do you persecute christians, the vast majority, who do good works? Has someone done something to you personally to make you so mad that you do this everyday?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are a hate filled bigot.
            You enjoy persecuting and name calling like a mean 2nd grade girl.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still dreaming of me and urine filled pants?

            You're sick.

          • Ricky Michael

            You were making your anti-christianity comments before Roger started in on you.

            I was just wondering.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And most hate filled bigots don't take it to a whole new level either.

            You muslim friendly types just don't expect to find anyone that stands up to you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I wouldn't want to stand near you.

            You don't smell like urine do you?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't like people with bladder control issues.

            You just stay downwind.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Do you dress up in front of the mirror and do the goose step?

          • Kevin Stowell
          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That second one is probably closer to it.

          • Ricky Michael

            What caused you to take up this crusade of yours? You and Roger can continue the feud later.

            Why did you start doing this?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He like most muslim friendly people want to be victorious over Christ. Over His church, over His followers so that they can think in their own mind that they are smarter than God.

            Romans 1, you know?

          • Ricky Michael

            Yes, I know Rom 1.

            Just trying to get a thoughtful answer from him. I would like to see a truthful answer to my question. Got to be a reason for this. Everything is so well perpared, it takes a lot of effort to comment like he does. Maybe, Something horrible might be out there that causes such ad hominem attacks like this from anyone. If there is, then perhaps we could do something about it to change things. Just hoping.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, you want any excuse to hate my religion. At least be honest about that.

            Al Taqiyya can go too far you know.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            My Christ was responsible for none of it.

            I can't say the same about mohammed.

          • Eyes_Open

            Your Christ also never denounced homosexuality, but look at all of the Christians up in arms about it now. It isn't Christ that committed the atrocities, I think even WTE would agree to that, it was the "religion" in the name of the church that committed the crimes.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            My, the wacky wiccan just had to put his bit in.

            Did it bother you to see an atheist get trounced with every eruption of hate?

          • Eyes_Open

            Wacky Wiccan, I like that one…

            Nope, just trying to clarify an obvious misconception. How are you today my Westboro Bro?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why don't you wait until you're done on the Aztec pyramids and done with the human sacrifices for the day like any good pagan. Then we can discuss what church I attend.

          • Eyes_Open

            I've never been to central or south America and I have no association to the Aztec or any sacrifices, that seems to be more on your turf. I see you still haven't grown up enough to have a real debate, I'll try again in a few months or years and see if you have caught up with the other adults on these sites.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And I've never been to a Westboro Baptist church.

            So, what did human sacrifices feel like to the Aztecs?

            You pagans all know that, don't you?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't have time.

            You having a good day with your flask at your work terminal trying to meet your daily quota of troll comments?

          • Looking4Sanity

            We're pretty sure we don't give a crap what you want.

          • Looking4Sanity

            I'm very sure that's none of your business either way.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, that's a lie and you know it.

            At least be honest about this.
            You are so filled with hate, it didn't start here.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Oh yes it is. I grew up with friends that questioned the form of organized religion they were born into.

            They grew up thinking Catholics at the Knights of Columbus spaghetti dinners were hypocrites, but never hated enough to want to say the children's hospital the funds went to should be burned down. Or that the people should be held accountable for the old history of the church, which it doesn't follow now.

            You have a deep hate, probably a hate going back to the 8th century.

          • Ricky Michael

            My opinion, which doesn't count for much, is that something started this when you were a kid. You devote so much effort on this, it is more than just your little game with Roger.

            You information that you use is too well crafted to be a mere game that you play. It took preparation and a lot of someone's time to write.

            Is all this some atheist program to stamp out Christianity?

          • Ricky Michael

            Thank you for the kind words. There are plenty more out there. None of my friends do these forums.

            What would you do if God spoke to you?

          • Ricky Michael

            Twice in my life he has spoken to me directly. I never said anything about this to anyone until after my NDE episode. Maybe it because I didn’t think anyone would believe for or they would make fun of me. Now, I just don’t care. Both times I was wide awake, not drinking or doing drugs. Both times I was by myself and both times the words save my life. The first time I was inches way from being squashed flat if he had not told me to stop. The second time he stopped me from committing suicide. Instantly I knew who it was and I stopped. Both times I just went about my life as if this was normal for everyone.
            This was not the typical garbage that people say, “Jesus told me to do this or that.” It was during real life events and I heard in my head like some sort of telepathy.

            Funny, how I intuatively knew who it was I heard in my head. I heard and obeyed immediately. I do not know why he chose to do it, but I'm glad he did.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I would doubt your honesty.

            You never met Christ, you met a bunch of failures and blame that on Christ.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why should I throw pearls to swine?

            Hmmm?

          • Ricky Michael

            I went through a period that I thought I was crazy. Yet it happened and I can't explain it.

            There was not a chance to question anything. He spoke, I obeyed. I guess I am supposed to be here and he kept me here to do what ever it is I am supposed to do.

            Funny, how real he is to me. I do not fear anyone or any thing, including death. I know what is coming after I die. So, staying here a while doing what he wants me to do is just fine with me.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It doesn't come from the teachings of Christ.

            So, all the connections and slurs in the world can't blame this on Him.

            You are so full of hate, why? Did a cleric talk to you when you spent that night in jail as an 18 year old?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then Matt 19:18 still stands.

            You silly little troll. Go back to sleep and dream of more men in urine filled pants.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Mockers will mock, but in the end you shall have your share of perdition. Most people get it for free. You must be exceptionally stupid to be willing to actually pay for it!

          • Looking4Sanity

            He was molested by a priest as a child.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Our handler is Christ.
            We have the Holy Spirit, you muslim friendly types have nothing that compares. So, it's a concept you can't understand.

            So, did a cleric like playing dress up as a priest when you'd go visit him?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Like you are into urine filled pants?

          • Looking4Sanity

            His hatred came directly from Satan. The same place you get yours from.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Are you saying that during WW2 the muslim who supported Hitler planted seeds?

            Christ's teachings didn't support what happened, you keep dancing around that point.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Christians and Jews get along just fine. It's you Muslims that can't get along with anyone.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Yeah…they're getting along SO well in Syria, in Libya, in Egypt, in Afghanistan. They're even cutting off their wives heads right here in America!

            You're a blind fool.

          • Looking4Sanity

            "Now they do. Funny how you forget history"

            There. Fixed THAT for ya…and thanks for playing! I love it when you make my point for me.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Multi part rants?
            Did you come back from another liquid lunch all mr cranky pants?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You were never really all here.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, you let the hate talk and never engage the brain.

          • Looking4Sanity

            Hitler said a lot of $h!t. So do you. That doesn't make any of it true or valid. The only point you have is on top of your head, poindexter.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The tinfoil hat shows it off so well….

          • Looking4Sanity

            Indeed. We'll see him coming a mile away.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            mein kampf was written by a SOCIALIST.

            mein koran was dictated by an ISLAMOFASCIST.

          • Wyatt Trash

            Adolf Hitler was as much a christian as Barack Obama, which is to say, not at all.

          • Ricky Michael

            Yep.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Have you ever cut any slack for any Christian?

        You are so full of hate and bigotry, it oozes from you like cow poop from a steer with the trots.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          You say 'real Christians'?

          Curious, considering you don't know what Christianity is about.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Real Christians follow the teachings of Christ.

            Jews follow the old testament, since they don't consider the New as scripture.

            And you don't know enough about Christians to make these calls. You are wrong enough to still consider Hitler a Christian, and he never pretended to follow any of Christ's teachings.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            How, project much?

            So, as you sit at your work terminal struggling to post enough comments to fill your quota for the day, did you have a little too much mountain dew at lunch perhaps?

      • Looking4Sanity

        Bless you too, sister. It would surprise you to know how often I pray for your rotting soul. God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is "NO". Don't worry. I'll keep after Him on your behalf.

        • Looking4Sanity

          Aw. Now you're just trying to hurt my feelings, Mary!

      • Looking4Sanity

        That's not very atheist of you…wait…yeah, I guess it kinda is!

    • reader

      Nice try at deflecting, but Ryan Mauro does not work for LA PD, so your post is utterly pointless. Also, there are no such thing as US police force. All police is local. And yes, muslims should be purged from PDs across the country, because they are hostile to the American way of life.

    • poppakap

      …and Slomo is an anti-Israeli extremist (Muslim?) who believes those darn Joos control US foreign policy and a host of other conspiracy theories. Don't take him seriously.

    • infidel4life

      All Muslims SHOULD be purged from police forces in this country. Islam is not compatible with a free society or the rule of any other law but Shariah. Law Enforcement here in America is sworn to uphold OUR law. Muslims hold Sharia law above all other law, therefore they have NO place in American law enforcement.

  • SoCalMike

    Officialdom doesn't quite feel like their feet are planted firmly on the ground if they aren't enabling or advancing the cause of those at war with us.
    It's so much easier to pretend engaging hearts and minds than to oppose, isolate and resist. That's too much like fighting. French kissing and kitty licking is so much more fun.
    It's not only officialdom though. Many non-officials think they can show the 8th century animals how high minded and fair they are by smearing and demeaning those who speak truth to those who initiate thuggery and war.
    Just read the comments by Schlomotion. He thinks if he smears truth tellers on behalf of 8th century animals that he can make the 8th century animals like him.

  • mrbean

    There are Iranian terrorist cells in the U.S. are being coordinated by Quds Force personnel operating out of the Iranian Interests Section in Washington, the source says. Because Iran and the U.S. have no diplomatic relations, Iran’s Interests Section operates under the umbrella of the Pakistani embassy. “These cells work out of safe houses where ammunition and explosives are stored, each with an operational commander who reports back to Iran,” the source says. CIA Analysts in Iran believe Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader, has provided two choices to the West: either accept a nuclear Iran or face all-out retaliation if its nuclear facilities are attacked.

  • Linda Rivera

    The enemy is within the gates. We are betrayed at the very top levels of our own government and betrayed by our police.

    Barack Hussein Obama invited his BIG favorites, the Muslim Brotherhood, to his speech
    in Cairo. Behind the scenes, America worked to oust U.S. ally, MODERATE
    Mubarak, in order to bring to power U.S. leaders' top FAVORITES, the
    Muslim Brotherhod, whose stated goal is the DESTRUCTION of civilization
    and global Islamic conquest.

    How can we retain our freedom and safety when traitors in powerful places actively aid and abet the enemy whose goal is the Muslim conquest of America, and America's total destruction?

    During the Second World War, Britain's world famous Winston Churchill declared:

    We will fight in the hills. We will fight in the streets, but we will NEVER surrender!

    • Choi

      "How can we retain our freedom and safety when traitors in powerful places actively aid and abet the enemy whose goal is the Muslim conquest of America, and America's total destruction?"

      BY VOTING REPUBLICAN IN NOVEMBER and within the GOP ,by making Grover Norquist a SWEAR WORD.

  • Linda Rivera

    Obama slipped up, and actually told the TRUTH.

    Obama: "My Muslim Faith" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw

  • Linda Rivera

    Spider,

    County Sheriff Lee Baca is among the most high-profile defenders of the Muslim Brotherhood’s fronts in the U.S. The Sheriff and others shills just like him who are in positions of power are NOT DUPED! The Sheriff and the other TRAITORS know that the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood is the DESTRUCTION of civilization and conquest of America and the world.

    Nations have ALWAYS had traitors!

    • Spider

      Maybe you are right and Bacca just wnats the caliphate and his 72 virgins…

  • hogrider

    Earlier this year, Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi held a town hall meeting at his mosque. The title of the town hall was Shariah and the US Constitution. This was part of ICNA's nationwide campaign to sugar coat Shariah. Up on the stage with Siddiqi were Loretta Sanchez (D-CA), Maxine Waters (D-CA), Sheriff Lee Baca, Asst. LAPD Chief Michael Downing, amongst others.
    When it came time for Asst. Chief Downing to speak, he said Shariah is not a threat to America. The threat to America comes from the violent ideological extremists (whatever that means, maybe you and me). This is the person in charge of CT for the LAPD

  • Trebuchet

    Ok so the LAPD is getting tight with the Muslims but at the sametime they recruit gays into the force. Sounds like a train wreck waiting to happen.

  • No Dhimmi traitor

    All anti-jihadists need to email the following quotes from CAIR to all law enforcement personnel and politicians.

    "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

    - Omar M. Ahmad, founder of Council on American-Islamic Relations ("CAIR") July 4, 1998

    "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future… But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."

    -Ibraham Hooper, CAIR

    "Ultimately, we (Muslims) can never be full citizens of this country…because there is no way we can be fully committed to the institutions and ideologies of this country."

    - Ihsan Bagby, CAIR

    So, there’s CAIR in a nutshell: Anti-American, subversive and treasonous.

    Ask these officials if they agree with the CAIR spokesmen and if they too are seditious and treasonous as well.

    Tell them we will actively work to make sure all public officials who pander to the terrorist-linked and treasonous CAIR are removed from office.

    Ditto with the Muslim Brotherhood, but let's start with CAIR.

    Here's a site with the web email forms for your state senators – let them know how you feel about this trading with the enemy.
    http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information

  • No Dhimmi traitor

    I should add that many law enforcement personnel are members of societies such as the Masons, Shriners, Lions and Knights of Columbus, etc. The Masons and Shriners, at least, have been up their eyeballs involved with Islam.

    It seems these groups are taking it to a whole new level and are deliberately working together to impose Islam on us all.

    Here's a long article about Masonry, Shrinerism and Islam – I can't vouch for all of it, but it's worthwhile keeping in mind when trying to figure out why these depraved idiots would be endangering us all and acting treacherously.
    http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4114

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Socialism is the opium of Atheists.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    The Bible is as reliable as the person reading it.

    So, you're out of luck.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      For what it's intended it's exactly perfect.

      You just keep trying to make it into something it's not.

    • Looking4Sanity

      SWEET!

  • Choi

    How many stars does Baca need to convince himself he's "The Sheriff"?
    Even the Army doesn't have any 5-Star Generals at this time.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    The left has ruined California in almost every aspect of what could be considered a normal
    American life, citizens with any sense are leaving in the tens of thousands, California is a
    disaster and ready for foreign takeover. If you ask the question who wants California the
    answer is simple, it is Islam. If Islam has control of the Police it makes it easy for them to
    enforce Sharia law, seems simple enough, as there is no real attractiveness about Islam
    palms must be being greased and promises of power made, our National predicament
    is growing and the remedies will be tough…………………….William

  • Marvin E. Fox

    The people who think the Muslim brotherhood has evolved are correct. The Brotherhood has evolved far enough to fool some police officers and apparently many others. I have read the Muslim Brotherhood's plan for North America. If the Brotherhood evolves far enough to implement its plan for North America, I am sure the decieved will be satisfied with Sharia law. Christians will not!
    Marvin E. Fox

  • Looking4Sanity

    Obviously English is your second language. I'd expect that from a rag head Muslim like you.

    Maybe you ought to lay off that "Mt Dew flask" during working hours?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      How can he keep his nerves steady without it?

  • ArmedInfidel

    Baca and his lackeys are fools. Many L.A. Sheriffs Deputies are good cops, but the department stinks from the top down. Another tidbit about Muslim-lover Baca: his office NEVER issues CCW permits to law-abiding resident citizens of L.A. County, no matter how squeaky clean their background. He does not support a citizen's right to self defense, he is NOT one of the good guys.

  • Indioviejo

    Out of the German Police came the GESTAPO in Nazi Germany. We won't be the exception. The best we can HOPE for is a civil war with an Army "Coup the Etat", and cleansing of our contaminated FBI, CIA, AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS NATIONWIDE. This may be a good plot for a Newt Gingrich, WHAT IF, novel. Interesting to explore, but the fact remains that we are the victims of an infiltration Jihad all the way to the White House.

    • ArmedInfidel

      Finally, someone gets it. The stormtroopers of the New World Order won't just appear out of the woodwork, they will be the police departments across this country. And they are already gearing up for it.

  • bobm

    Looking at him reminds me of Invasion of the body snatchers.. .. go figure!

  • http://abo.dr-rjp.com Dr. Ron Polland

    When you tell liberals that the ultimate goal of the Muslim Brotherhood is to create a world caliphate ruled by Sha'ria Law, they think you're a tin-foil hat wearing kook.

    Even when you show them the MB's document where they wrote, in black & white, that they want to transform America into an Islamic country with Sharia Law replacing the Constitution, they refuse to believe it.

    IIRC, it was discovered in 1987, and called, "An Explanatory Memorandum, On the General Strategic Goal for the Group In North America details the objectives of the Muslim Brotherhood in America." where it says:

    The process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Process" with all the word means. The Ikhwan* must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions.

    The MB has already infiltrated all levels of government and the military and are well on their way to using our Constitutional freedoms against us.

    Obama literally swung, wide open, the White House doors to a group that should be declared a terrorist organization. They spawned Al-Qaeda and Hamas and share their ideology:

    Allah is our objective.
    The prophet is our leader.
    Qur'an is our law.
    Jihad is our way.
    Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.

    Former FBI Special Agent John Guandolo told CBN News the United States must become more aware of the Brotherhood's growing influence.

    "Here in the United States, virtually every prominent Islamic organization is controlled and led by the Muslim Brotherhood," said Gunadolo. And, it is all part of their strategic plan to destroy America from within."

    Obama is a major player in the MB's plans, yet he and his State-Run Media say he is Israel's best friend. Is giving $1.5 billion in advanced weaponry to the MB a sign of friendship with Israel?

    Sure…and Hitler was a humanitarian

    The Brotherhood has already declared the country's peace treaty with Israel to be null and void and called Israel their #1 enemy.

    It's not "Islamophobia" when radical Islamists attempt to kill you and everyone like you, and it's not "Islamophobia" when the "moderate Muslim Brotherhood" call Jews, "the descendants of pigs and monkeys."

    The Brotherhood was founded in 1928 in Egypt, with the goal of spreading Islamic Sharia law worldwide and uniting all Muslim nations into one Islamic super state. It was eventually banned in Egypt, but for the past several decades has worked behind the scenes to the point where it's now considered the most influential Islamist organization in the world — with chapters in more than 100 countries.

    "It has been repressed in Egypt and in many other countries where the Brotherhood has affiliates and entities," said retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel Joseph Myers, who has called the Brotherhood an "insurgency movement."

    "The state security services work against them because they are a subversive insurgent organization and they conduct terrorist acts and have been involved in violence as well," Myers told CBN News. "Seeking to overthrow and change the governments where they're represented."

    The Marxist Muslim in the White House promised to "fundamentally transform the United States of America," and now, four years later, we are suffering from that change. He's bent on ripping America apart. Trampling on our Constitution. Thumbing his nose at We the People. Assassinating whomever he pleases in Afghanistan and Pakistan, including civilians. LEAKING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION TO IRAN and RUSSIA.. Gutting our defenses. Throwing our allies under the bus.

    And we still don't know who he is.

  • Looking4Sanity

    Learn to speak better English, Hadji.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Where does islam?

  • Looking4Sanity

    Where does He tell you when it's time to eat or drink? Some things He left to common sense. Apparently you're too stupid to survive without instructions. I believe Darwin had something to say about that. Why don't you consult his theory to learn YOUR future?

    WeeTodd – the dodo of the 21st century. We'll put that on your tombstone.

  • poppakap

    Nice deflection from the issue being discussed. Typical dhimmi response.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    Don't know much do you, other than how to hate.