Israeli Settlements: Not Just Legal, But Necessary

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  • The only way effectively to prevent the conversion of the West Bank into a Hamastan terror base is by maintaining a significant Jewish population there. This effectively prevents international pressure from producing the conversion of the West Bank into the second Hamastan, and prevents endlessly appeasing and cowardly Israeli governments from capitulating to those pressures. (Imagine what Olmert would have done without the settlements.) Since most of the settlers are actually living in Jerusalem suburbs, their presence there also prevents any capitulations by Israel to pressures regarding relinquishing Jerusalem.
  • While there are other moral and historic arguments why Israel and Jews have the right to live in the West Bank, the only REAL purpose of “settlements” is to prevent the emergence of any “Palestinian state.”  No other rationalization or justification is needed.  There are no other effective alternative ways to prevent the conversion of the West Bank into Hamastan.

West Bank settlements are no obstacle at all for the economic development of the “Palestinian” population centers there, nor to forms of limited autonomy, which should be the most that Israel is willing to concede to the “Palestinians.”  (And even they are not an entitlement.)

There is a more fundamental problem with the whole word “occupation.”  The anti-Israel lobby, including Israel’s Left, adopted the nonsense word “occupation” originally after 1967 because at the time it still conjured up associations with the Nazi occupation of Europe and the Japanese occupation of East Asia before and during the War. Israeli leaders decided that semantics did not matter and refused to fight against the terminology, and the battle was forfeited more than 40 years ago.  The analogous Hebrew word “kibush” is an even more ridiculous word, meaning “conquest.”   It is like claiming that the Belgian and Dutch territories liberated from the Nazis by the Allies are now “conquered territories.” As a matter of general policy, I would suggest that any time an Israeli uses the nonsense word “kibush,” and that includes half the articles in Haaretz, then you should regard absolutely everything else that person says about the world to be absolute nonsense.

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  • Nakba1948

    This article offers nothing of substance. The fact of the matter is that Israeli settlement of Palestinian land is a clear violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, a fact confirmed by the UN, the ICC, the International Red Cross, and 99% of nations on the planet. Even successive American presidents have agreed with this assessment, and if not for the Zionist stranglehold on the American government, they may actually have acted on it.

    Of course, what else would one expect of a bandit entity that flaunts international law, an entity established illegally through ethnic cleansing? Not much. But that's OK, "Israel" won't be around much longer. You Zionuts had your opportunity for peaceful coexistence, but your greed, dishonesty, and violence have precluded any realistic solutions to the conflict. Palestine will be free, from the River to the Sea!

    • Larry

      Happy eternal Nakba dipstick

    • SHmuel HaLevi

      Eretz Israel is the home of the JEWISH people since thousands of years before the marauding hordes poisoned by a cult of death, Islam, invaded our Heritage with the consent of the Brutish empire and others.
      Time is up! The Islamic aggregates will have to either turn to be normal human beings and devolve from brutal life styles or will have to return to their folds elsewhere.
      We had enough of you people's ""peaceful coexistence". About 2000 "victims of peace" and over 15000 "maimed for life for peace" are enough of a bill to pick up to try to live along with the invading islamic elements.
      The world at large has seen how you all coexist with other peoples and even among yourselves.
      It is up to that "world" to make their decisions about you all.
      IN OUR LAND bestial entities that perform the acts Islam has consistently performed, have no place.

      • malcontent elder

        Awesome rebuttal with cold, hard fact! It's been way too long since Truth went on holiday, and fantasy has taken over, even to the point of continuous rewriting of recent history! While you don't have to go back thousands of years to know Israel belongs to the Jews, you certainly can. The fact remains, in stark truth, that the majority of what is considered the "Modern state of Israel" had it's borders drawn at the same time as the rest of the Mid-East countries by the victorious British, after WWI. Any additional land gathered by Israel since 1948, is out of the spoils of war, because those "peace loving muslims" can't seem to keep their tanks, rockets, bombs, and troops on the right side of their borders!

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        SHmuel HaLevi AKBAR!

    • Bert

      Mohammed in the Koran Sura 5 verse 20 states: "Remember Moses said to his people: "O my People! call in remembrance the favor of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples.
      Verse 21 states: "O my people! enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned to you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to you own ruin,"
      It seems that Nakba1948 is also at war with his own Koran which is clear on Jewish ownership of the land.

    • stern

      Bad news for you Nakba, but your "narrative" is increasingly being revealed for what it is – nothing but lies and Jew-hatred.

      Let's take just one of your claims and deconstruct it. You say that Israel was "established illegally through ethnic cleansing". I won't even go into the legality of Israel (if Israel is illegal, then so are Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Lebanon, all created by the Allied Powers at the end of World War I at the same time, at the same conference, in the same decisions that created the Jewish state), but let's discuss "ethnic cleansing", shall we.

      Before 1948, Jews and Arabs lived all over what was left of Palestine after Britain carved off 80% and gave it to the Hashemites as Transjordan.

      After 1948 – after 5 Arab armies had tried and failed to destroy Israel – there were:

      • Approximately 140,000 Arabs in what became the State of Israel, approximately 20% of the population
      • Not one single Jew in what become the "West Bank" (Judea and Samaria), under illegal Jordanian occupation. Not one. Zero. Zilch. None.
      • The Arab population of Israel remains at 20% – and enjoys all the same democratic rights as every other Israeli, Jew, Christian, Bahai, Muslim, Atheist, whatever.
      • Mahmoud Abbas has made it clear on numerous occasions that he will not allow a single Jew to live in any state of "Palestine", should such an entity ever come into existence.

      So tell me, Nakba, exactly who is guilty of ethnic cleansing?

      You see, Nakba, the bad news for you is that the facts are increasingly coming to light, revealing exactly how much hatred you and your side have invested in this ongoing conflict. And apart from a fringe of left and right on either side, you're losing your audience. Quite simply, people are getting sick and tired of you.

    • Lan Astaslem

      dream on – Israel is here to stay – Jewish and non Jewish Zionists like myself will see to that while the invented paleswine will languish in filthy "refuge camps" (no other countries want your sorry butts)

    • Drakken

      I certainly hope Israel tires of you muslim savages and pushes your friends of Gaza into the sea and call it a day, no other country on earth would ever put up with you savages launching rockets and mortars into their territory. It would be an abject lesson for the other inbred savages of the West Bank on what happens when you muslims continue to push. Oh by the way, if your looking for sympathy for your islamic friends? I am fresh out, you savages deserve everything you get and more.

    • Foolster41

      You accuse Israel of "ethnic cleaning" and then gleefully announce the coming genocide of Jews. Your a hypocrite and vile Jew-hater.

      • winston

        Israel is guilty of ethnic cleansing. of perpetuating the worst kind of foreign military occupation, of not letting people return to their rightful homes and lands and so on. All well documented.
        The truth is, no conflict lasts long in which only one side is at fault. And in this history there is plenty of wrong on both sides of the line.

    • Asher

      This land was never the Palestinians…and will never belong to them..it was given to Israel and Israel will be upheld and redeemed to keep her birthright! Lies will not sustain a Tyrant!

    • UCSPanther

      The Palestinian movement has been yelling the same rubbish and over for 40 years, and they are still no closer than they were 40 years ago.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      ETERNAL NAKBA 1948,

      HAPPY ETERNAL NAKBA 1948!

      Crawl back to the deserts and sleep with scorpions. You have no place in the civilized world.

  • crackerjack

    Its the population, stupid.

    Israel wants the land, but not the population. The basic dilemma of Zionism.

    What status do the over 2 million Arabs get when Israel siezes the territory and adopts sovereignty over its population? Full citizenship? A new form of township apardheid? Expulsion?

    This is a loose-loose situation for israel and those in charge know it. That is why Israel will hang on to the current status quo of "peace process" substituting international law as long as possible.

    • Evict Em

      There are 22 Arab countries whither the "Palestiians' in teh West Bank may gleefully move

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      crackerjihad, Your pals can all make a one-way Hajj to Mecca.

      BTW, population exchanges have been around for a long time.

      What do you think happened when "pakistan" started in 1947?

  • geulanow

    God gave the land of Israel to the Jewish people. If you don't like that, go talk about it with God.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      The God that protects them against the violence you always blame on Christians.

      • Chiggles

        Get a room, you two.

        • Roger Russel

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          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The goats get jealous?

          • patriothere

            Your mom gets jealous?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You muslims just keep sinking lower and lower.

            What kind of goat was your mom, nubian?

          • patriothere

            That's what your mom said.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You don't want to know what my mom said.

            And she doesn't care what your dad was shagging in his cave.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkhWfabSFkQ

      • patriothere

        America is not god.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          No one ever said America was 'god'.You are so silly.

          • patriothere

            You implied it. You said god protects israel. But America does, so you implied that America is god. America is not god.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You made it up and can't defend it. You're simply a paid hack troll.
            A 'rented mouth' of sorts.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            "I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out."

          • patriothere

            You implied it when you said that they were protected by god. America is not god. They may be israels god but America is not god! That is BLASPHEMY!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Nope, I didn't.

          • patriothere

            You implied it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, actually I didn't.

            Quote me and let everyone here decide for themselves. Don't you want them laughing at you some more?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          muhammed is not a prophet.

    • crackerjack

      Sound like your God deals in real estate. Strange. I always thought God's realm was the spiritual.

      • geulanow

        Genesis 48:3-4: And Jacob said to Joseph, "El Shaddai appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and He blessed me, 4 and said to me, 'I will make you fertile and numerous, making of you a community of peoples; and I will assign this land to your offspring to come for an everlasting possession.'

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        crackerjihad, your god deals in hijacking, stabbing, beheading, honor killing.

    • Asher

      Genesis 12: 1-3 This is biblical and historical fact! "Get out of your country, from your family and from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name Great; And you shall be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse those who curse you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." Israel goes through strife, but God is faithful and will uphold them with his mighty Hand, the days of redemption are coming!

  • Bamaguje

    The moral & historical reasons for Israel keeping West bank & Gaza are just as important.
    While there is no legally binding international agreement or document pronouncing a Palestinian state on the West bank & Gaza, there are several which unequivocally affirm Jewish sovereignty over these areas.
    The 1920 San Remo conference/League of Nations mandate, Balfour declaration, the 1922 illegal British partition that gave away most (77%) of British Mandated Palestine to Palestinians… thereby giving them their own state – Jordan.

    More importantly, Judea & Samaria (West Bank) is Jewish ancestral land on which they built a kingdom several millennia ago, and on which Jews have lived continuously since then.
    That some Jews were forced out by oppressive tyrannical invaders does not negate that heritage.

    • stern

      Excellent post, thank you.

    • Eyes_Open

      "More importantly, Judea & Samaria (West Bank) is Jewish ancestral land on which they built a kingdom several millennia ago, and on which Jews have lived continuously since then.
      That some Jews were forced out by oppressive tyrannical invaders does not negate that heritage."

      By that same reasoning, we should give back ALL of North America to the Native Americans, many were forced out by oppressive tyrannical invaders, but that also doesn't negate their heritage.

      Should all European descendants and Latin descendants quietly retreat back to where they came from and return the land back to it's displaced, original occupants?

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Native American Indians can own homes and live anyplace in the US.

        • Eyes_Open

          And Jew could live and own homes anywhere in Palestine before the war, as many did.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            But not now. So, we treat our native indians with more dignity than the Jews have in any muslim sharia controlled territory.

            I never hear anyone asking Saudi Arabia to give their expelled Jews the right of return…..

          • patriothere

            Why don't they just go back to poland and germany where they came from?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why don't the arabs go back to Saudi Arabia and Syria where they came from?

            Jews were in Canaan long before the arabs invaded in the 8th century.

          • patriothere

            Arabs are semites. We've been through this. the jews were in poland and khazaria.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, and you're still wrong.

            The Jews are the race of people who descended from Abraham and Isaac.

            Why you keep bringing up other small ethnic groups does nothing to dispel the facts.

          • patriothere

            The jews who descended from abraham and isaac converted to islam. These fake jews occupying palestine invaded in 1948. They need to go back to germany.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            traitorhere, FALSE again. Jews lived in Yemen, Iraq and still Iran proving you WRONG.

            My advice to you is get on your flying carpet or flying horse, and fly back to mecca for the annual hajj to Hell.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He's admitted he's just a paid hack here to drive people away.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Since humans started in some rift valley in Africa, ALL HUMANS ARE AFRICAN.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            traitorhere, Why don't your boy go back to Mecca where they came from?

            In your case, why don't you go back to your furhers bunker in 1945 Berlin?

          • Eyes_Open

            Nor do I hear you "giving" back the land that the native Americans were forced off of, sure you're willing to "sell" back what you have stolen, but I guess that is perfectly inline with YOUR religious beliefs.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You silly pagan, should we let the camanche still murder people in the most slow and painful way possible? Should we insist Mexico give back the pyramids to the Aztec so they can start the human sacrifices again?

          • patriothere

            No. And that's why we shouldn't give the land back the jews. For the same reasons you laid out here. The jews need to go back to living in the diaspora. They were always wandering nomads raping and murdering nations like bandits.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The jews weren't the ones doing the human sacrifices. You silly iranian.

            And it's the arab muslims that use rape as a weapon. THat's why they make women wear a burka to let them know she's not a legit target for rape.

          • Foolster41

            So, why is it alright then? What did the Jews do? I'm assuming by "the war" you mean the war of 1948. You leave out the important fact that it was the Arab Muslims who were aggressors in the war, not the Jews.

          • Foolster41

            also, it was the Arab Muslims who sided with Hitler in WWII. No matter what war you mean, it makes no sense.

        • patriothere

          We gave the indians reservations. The israelis just give them death and terrorism.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They gave them gaza.

            Oh, facts are not your friends.

          • patriothere

            They gave them a concentration camp?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, that was the Jews in Poland and Germany.
            And you want them to go back?

            You silly iranians.

          • patriothere

            gaza is a concentration camp

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then you need to rip on hamas for doing that.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Islamofascists and 9/11, beheadings, assassinations, jihad, islamic regimes give Islam a bad name.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Don't leave out the underwear bombers!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            arabs/muslims give the entire world death and terrorism.

            9/11, Londons 7/7/05, Besland school massacre, Madrid train bombing, Mumbai India massacre, Bali bombing, Beltway sniper, 8 year iraq/iran war, sunni/shiite inter-Islamic massacres, India/Pakistan massacres.

            And Islamofascist dominated OPEC rape the entire world with $100 per barrel oil.

      • patriothere

        The jews invaded and displaced the canaanites. Just like the jew invaded and displaced the Palestinians.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          They stopped the human sacrifices.

          How much life would have been lost over the centuries if God hadn't sent them?

          • patriothere

            They created the human sacrifices.

          • Eyes_Open

            Considering your god committed genocide several times, probably less.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            To stop the human sacrifices that you pagans seem to keep using.

          • patriothere

            That's a lie.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not at all. What pagan society didn't show a disregard for human life?

  • Bamaguje

    All the notable Jewish holy sites – Temple Mount, Tomb of Patriachs, Rachel's Tomb are in the so-called 'occupied territories.'

    But for the warped international community sucking up to violently intolerant Muslims, how can Jews be occupiers in their ancestral land on which their ancestors are entombed to this day in Hebron?
    Would Muslims under any circumstance cede Mecca & Medina to non-Muslims?
    Bearing in mind non-Muslims are barred from even entering these Muslim cities.

  • Re-Nakba Now

    Have you niticed how every single person upset by "settlements" is also an anti-Israel bigot who actually wants to see Israel annihilated and the Jews thrown into the sea?

    • Lan Astaslem

      The invented paleswine is not concerned about having a country – they never had one – they are just dripping with anger because the Jews have one – and what a great nation they created out of desert.

  • Zionista

    BUILD BABY BUILD!!!!!

  • Advocatus

    Thanks for that confession. Well done on owning up to it.

  • Davidka

    Judea and Samaria are not legitimately disputed. Sovereignty has passed to the Jewish People and in particular the State of Israel as far back as the San Remo Declaration in 1920. No one else has any legitimate title claim. Israel has every right, and probably every obligation, to "closely settle" this land.

    And please stop shooting Israel in the foot by using its opponents' loaded terms. These are not "settlers" living in "settlements." They are Israelis and others living in villages, towns, farms and cities in Judea and Samaria. Who dares to tell a Jew he cannot live in Judea?

    • stern

      Absolutely agree with you. In addition, it is not "the West Bank". It was Judea and Samaria in biblical times and has always been that. Jordan renamed it "West Bank" after 1948, for obvious reasons. Using that term is just as loaded as the other terms you mention.

    • winston

      No, they are not settlements but illegal colonies/

  • Drakken

    Well we are tiring of you muzzy savages, long live the Crusades.

  • Schlomotion

    Mr. Plaut has summarized the Israeli lebensraum argument.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      And you have nothing.

      • patriothere

        and you are nothing.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

    You need to compare notes with WTE, he has that problem too.

  • Marty

    palestinians should have some empathy for the 1 million Jews who were brutally expelled from arab states and accepted unconditionally by Israel. No arab state wanted the palestinians (except for Jordan because it was a fictitious country in need of a population). It's easy to see why. palestinians are simply whiners who live off of the American taxpayer and complain that they have been terribly mistreated. They have been – by their corrupt leadership in ramallah and the religious fanatics in gaza.

  • Ghostwriter

    And you are a broken record,randy. And a bad one at that.

  • Ghostwriter

    Well,this article brought out the usual anti-semites like Nakba1948,patriothere,and those like them. They are appalling pieces of dreck who exist only to despise Jews and the rest of humanity.

  • shootschlo

    Schlomotion is a little nazi who hates dem joos because his pecker is so tiny.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    EternalNakba1948,

    Happy ETERNAL NAKBA!

    May all your jihads CONTINUE to turn into NAKBAS!

    May you continue to rip your hair out due to your daily failure to defeat Israel.

    P.S. If you truly revere the continued existence of Mecca, you should work to defeat the islamofascists in your midst who are trying to trigger the total RETALIATORY annihilation of Mecca.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    North East Asia was stolen from the natives by commies.

  • spadecaller

    The socalled occupied territories belong to Israel by virtue of the British Mandate authorised by the League of Nations and later by United Nations resolution.How can Israel,or any nation,occupy its own yerritory?While the mood persists,let us refute another choice piece of nonsense,namely that the Jewstablished Israel by stealing land from the indigenous socalled Palestinian Arabs.Quite simply,the Jews did not steal the land,they bought it from absentee Arab landlords at grossly inflated prices.The area in question was,by all accounts,barren,denuded,and very sparsely populated,and had been so for centuries.A radical transformation occurred when Jews arrived from Europe and developed the area,literally greening the desert.The resulting economic viability attaracted large numbers of Arab immigrants.I am not Jewish.My religion is cold hard facts plus utmost respect for the rigors of critical rational analysis.

  • Lenny

    Brilliant

  • Degrin5

    I couldn’t write a more biased article even if I tried. All the points made for jewish settlements in the west bank are things that can be accomplished without jewish settlements in the west bank. The first point is even an outward contradiction. You insinuate that Israel needs west bank as a buffer from rocket fire and other forms of aggression. However, if Israel settles parts of the west bank then it is placing its people right in harms way, not protecting them with a buffer zone as implied.

    • Ricardo Dirani

      Or you might consider that Israel has two options: To have all of it’s territory in harm’s way, or just part of it (the setttlements) and compensate them for that. This way we can have israeli people *volunteering* to be in the buffer zone, instead of having the whole population in it.