‘Rushing’ to War with Iran?


AyatollahAliKhamen_2162837bIn November, there was some talk of “a march (or rush) to war” against Iran.

The Obama Administration used this line to dismiss those – including EMET – who dared to disbelieve the sincerity of negotiations regarding the Iranian regime’s program to develop nuclear weapons, and seek to expand U.S. sanctions against that nation so as to keep the pressure on them to prove their sincerity.

The major problem with this charge is that Iran and the U.S. are already at war.  And every few years, Iran or its proxies (most especially Hezbollah) conducts another hostile act, which results in the death or harming of Americans.

Here are just some of the acts of war Iran has conducted against the U.S.

In 1979, Iranian students stormed the U.S. Embassy, and took 52 (originally 66) of its personnel hostage for 444 days.  Iranian Foreign Minister I. Yazdi, along with other Iranian officials, indicated official Iranian support for the seizure when he said, “The action of the students enjoys the endorsement and support of the government.”  Reza Kahlili describes the seizure in his book A Time to Betray: The Astonishing Double Life of a CIA Agent Inside the Revolutionary Guards of Iran:

This was not a rout.  It was not an act of passion.  It seemed too managed for that.  The people who rushed in seemed to know one another and to know what to do.  Military members of the Guards arrived quickly.  I wondered how they heard about the break-in so fast.  Then the Komiteh, the religious police recently given official status by Khomeini, came and promised to keep order.  But the only thing they kept orderly was the takeover itself.  Busloads of people arrived and joined the demonstration, another sign that this gathering was not spontaneous.  Within minutes, the protesters controlled the compound.

For its illegal actions, the Iranian regime was cited by the International Court of Justice and by the U.N. through two U.N. Resolutions for its violation of Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961 the international treaty that governs diplomatic immunity.

Iran set up, continues to support, and often directs, Hezbollah, a State Department-listed Lebanese terror group that has kidnapped, tortured, harmed, and/or killed Americans.  In 1983, Hezbollah bombed the U.S. Marine Barracks in Beirut and killed 241 American servicemen who were sent to Lebanon for peacekeeping purposes.  Hezbollah is believed to have kidnapped and tortured to death U.S. Army colonel William Higgins and the CIA Station Chief in Beirut, William Buckley.  It kidnapped around 30 other Westerners between 1982 and 1992.  Imad Mughniyah, a former senior Hezbollah leader, was, prior to 911, “responsible for the deaths of more Americans than any other terrorist.”  He and two other members of Hezbollah, Hasan Izz-al-Din, and Ali Atwa, were on the FBI’s list of 22 Most Wanted Terrorists for the hijacking in 1985 of TWA Flight 847 during which a U.S. Navy diver was murdered.  In 2007, Hezbollah operative Ali Mussa Daqduq allegedly played a significant role in the killings of five U.S. soldiers in Iraq.  In 2011, the U.S. government seized drug profits linked to Ayman Joumaa, a drug trafficker and money launderer, linked to Hezbollah, and in April 2013, the U.S. Treasury Department took action against Hezbollah for working as a drug cartel.

Iran was involved in the 911 terrorist attacks.  A U.S. District Judge “ruled that Iran and Hezbollah materially and directly supported al Qaeda in the September 11, 2001 attacks and are legally responsible for damages to hundreds of family members of 9/11 victims who are plaintiffs in the case.”  Also, post-911, the Iranian regime protected members of al-Qaeda, including the son of Bin Ladin, even as the latter planned and implemented other bombings that wounded or killed civilians.  Because of these and many other actions, the U.S. State Department describes Iran as the “leading sponsor of anti-U.S. Islamic terrorism.”

This position is neither controversial nor partisan.  Jeffery Goldberg noted in The Atlantic, Iran is “is waging war against the United States of America” in Iraq.  Michael Ledeen writing in The Weekly Standard, reaches the same conclusion saying, “(T)here is abundant evidence for Iranian involvement in Iraq, most including their relentless efforts to kill American soldiers.  The evidence consists of first-hand information, not intelligence reports.  Scores of Iranian intelligence officers have been arrested, and some have confessed.  Documentary evidence of intimate Iranian involvement with Iraqi terrorists has been found all over Iraq, notably in Fallujah and Hilla.”

These facts have been widely reported. During the U.S. occupation of Iraq (from 2003-2011), hundreds of American soldiers were killed or wounded by roadside bombs or other weapons that were constructed, and supplied, by Iran to Iraqi rebels.  The Iranians gave these IEDs to both Shiites and Sunnis alike.

Iran has consistently grabbed American citizens and held them hostage.  The latest three are:

• In 2007, former FBI agent Robert Levinson was seized.  (Even if reports that Levinson is a spy are true, Iran’s response of making him disappear is unusual and particularly aggressive.)

• In 2011, former U.S. Marine Amir Hekmati was taken while visiting his grandmother.

• In 2012, Pastor Saeed Abedini was grabbed while visiting relatives in Iran.

In 2011, Iran plotted to bomb a Georgetown restaurant to kill a prominent Saudi diplomat.  “The Justice Department unsealed charges against two Iranians — one of them a U.S. citizen — accusing them of orchestrating an elaborate murder-for-hire plot that targeted Adel al-Jubeir, the Saudi envoy to Washington and a key adviser to King Abdullah.  The Iranians planned to employ Mexican drug traffickers to kill Jubeir with a bomb as he ate at a restaurant, U.S. officials said.”  Needless to say, this might have killed dozens, if not hundreds, of American civilians on our own soil.  Luckily, this bombing was prevented.

At the same time, the Iranian regime continues to pour out harsh rhetoric towards the U.S.  Every year since 1979, on November 4th, the day the Embassy was seized, the Iranian regime sponsors a “Death to America” day.  The Iranian regime continually refers to the United States, as “The Great Satan”, and Israel as merely “The Minor Satan.”   The Iranian regime promotes demonstrations where the American flag is spat on, burned, or tread upon.  They have even turned the Embassy that they illegally seized into an anti-American museum.

Of course, none of these facts really matter to the President, and his Administration.  As we have discovered, they live in a utopian dream world, where facts do not exist; red lines disappear; lies are true, and peace on earth only requires a little “smart diplomacy” by the Administration.

So, because President Obama believes that the U.S. and Iran are not at war, then we aren’t.  And, according to the argument of the Obama Administration, their critics are guilty of trying to march us into a war that – according to international law and common sense – we have already been embroiled in for almost thirty-five years now.

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  • James

    Are u gonna talk about any of the crimes the USA has done too Iran? Like the CIA coup that took out at democraticly elected prime mister and installed the shah? Just so American oil company’s could be able too plunder the wealth of Iran or that’s no reason for the Iranians too hate Americans. How about when sadam invaded Iran and was using nerve gas on iranian solders that was supplied by Americans and guess who was blockin a security council vote the Americans. This is just the few things the United states has done too Iran but I guess that’s in the past and u guys had a reason for it. Dont be trying too put all the blame on one side supporting hezballah is wrong but I’m sure the shah had a lot more Iranian blood on his hand then hezballah has American blood on there hands.

    • 1Indioviejo1

      I don’t believe we have ever done enough to Iran. I don’t care about blame for this or that, but I do believe “Delenda est Persia.”. I hope you’ll eat it and choke on it.

      • Nonva

        Hey 1Indioviejo1, be polite, what do you mean you don’t care? This is an English forum, the only English words you know is “I don’t care”? James is write and you are an unfair idiot.

        • Demetrius Minneapolis

          Looks like the Iranian “Truth ministry” is back to work. Hey Nonva and James, how many Rials do you get paid for trolling western websites?

          • Turaj

            Ha! Wow you’re stupid. Go watch 300, Demetrius, where you get to believe that the Persians were the effeminate ones who kept slaves, and the Spartans weren’t boyloving slaveowners who actually killed their slaves as their rite of warrior passage (all strangely reversed in your favorite film.) Oh, and that killing of a large wild animal to become a man? That was stolen straight from Persian warrior noble’s rite of passage. In fact, Xerxes (the giant oppressor with the effeminate depiction in 300, you remember) had to kill a hungry wolf as a boy, in an arena alone. If ancient history can get rerouting and reversed, you bet no one in the West is gonna look at why the hostages were really kept, or why Hezbollah was formed in the first place. Idiot, demetrius, is from Greek, meaning “one who can only think of themselves.” That’s you and every myopic anti-Iran tirading armchair bitch: incapable of putting yourself in others’ shoes. Feels good, doesn’t it, when you have the bigger missiles? F#%.

        • 1Indioviejo1

          POLITELY Nonva, go suck a lemon.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          write? You are an ignorant idiot.

          DEATH to the koranazi regime of iran!

          LONG LIVE PERSIA!

          May the ayatollah khomeni BURM in H E L L for eternity!

          • defcon 4

            Persia is dead. The Zoroastrians are fast disappearing. You’re naive if you think islam0nazis had anything to do with the Persia of old aside from conquering it and obliterating its culture.

        • Notalibfool

          James is “write” about what? All he did was repeat the same old story the Left has been spitting out for years. Neither he nor you has actually tried to research the matter.

          • turaj

            The left? I’m conservative. What James is saying is called history. Hisss-tooorrrrr-yyyy. Look it up. With reading.

          • Notablibfool

            Take your own advice, genius. Then you may learn something.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      james, how dumb can you be?

      When you “U” gonna talk about the crimes of islamfascism, socialism, COMMUNISM?

      Your vaunted SOCIALIST stalin had a non-aggression pact with national SOCIALIST hitler. With that pact, they BOTH invaded Poland..

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

      That socialist pact lasted until national SOCIALIST hitler reneged on the pact and invaded the soviet union.

      Your Islamofasct war criminal sadaam husseing USED POISON GAS, a WMD, on the Kurds of Halabja Iraq 5,000 Kurds died in that attack.

      The ayatollash of the evil islamofascist regime of iran have killed more people than the Shah ever did. And Obama didn’t help the opposition in Persia – letting the ayatollahs kill hundreds.

      James, you should be ashamed of yourself.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Fascist iran is a State Sponsor of World-Wide Terrorism.

      I wish for fascist iran what it declares for the US and Israel.

      DEATH TO FASCIST IRAN!
      ;

    • Drakken

      Iran has plenty to account for, we still haven’t paid them back in full with interest for my Barracks in 83, effem! time for some well earned and well deserved payback, as a lefty progressive apologist or an Iranian we kept that country out of the Soviet sphere and the Shah kept it secular. The only thing I fault the Shah for, is he should have eliminated every Islamic school and ayatollah. War is coming for the ayatollahs demand it, and your cities will burn.

    • Notalibfool

      History lesson for you, James. The US did NOT install the Shah. He was already the leader of Iran. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi became the Shah of Iran in 1941 after his father was forced to abdicate. This occurred roughly 12 years BEFORE the US allegedly installed him.

      Why do you insist on blaming America for all of Iran’s problems?

    • Omar

      You are wrong about what happened in 1953 you Stalinist/Maoist. First of all, Mossadegh was not an elected leader. He was appointed prime minister by the Iranian parliament and the Shah (who was already in power at the time as head of state) approved and ratified the choice. Also, the coup came into motion, not when Mossadegh centralized the oil companies, but when he got into a power struggle with the government who put him in power in the first place. Remember that Mossadegh was a Communist who had ties to the Soviet Union (keep in mind that the Soviet Union was right next door) and Communist China, and who wanted to turn Iran into a Communist totalitarian country allied with those two Communist regimes. During his rule in Iran, Mossadegh suspended civil liberties, dissolved the Iranian parliament and jailed political prisoners. He was even quoted by Time magazine from 1952, saying “Call me dictator”. Mossadegh, himself, admitted that he was a dictator. In addition, the anti-Mossadegh coup was planned, not by the CIA, but by the British intelligence agency (the M16), the Shah and the Iranian opposition. The State Department and the Eisenhower administration did not wanted to get involved with removing Mossadegh from power until the M16 and the Iranian opposition proved to the U.S. government that Mossadegh was a Communist totalitarian who had ties to the Soviet Union and Communist China, and who wanted to turn Iran into a Communist regime allied with those two Communist states. At that point, the CIA agreed to participate in ousting Mossadegh from power. It should also be noted that the Ayatollah and the Islamists in Iran supported, participated and welcomed removing Mossadegh from power. The Ayatollah and his Islamist hate cult viewed Mossadegh as a secular infidel. Also, the Ayatollah and the Iranian Islamists hated the Shah, not because he was autocratic, but because the Shah was secular, pro-Western and he supported women’s rights, including the right to not wear a veil if the women choose not to. The Ayatollah and his Islamist hate cult hate America and the West because they are “infidel nations”, not because of the anti-Mossadegh coup. Quit repeating Communist propaganda and learn from facts.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Thanks for the history lesson.

        Now we know how to answer the Red/Green Axis of Evil.

      • Turaj

        All that is true, except “elected” is a general term perhaps used too freely. Not sure what communist propaganda you think people are looking at. Pretty sure those views have nothing to do with communist propaganda. Lemme guess, Obama’s a commie too, right? ;)

  • 1Indioviejo1

    It is truly a list of crimes and pre-emptive strikes against our country gone unanswered by successive and craven politicians. It was Jimmy Carter’s job to defend America. The US Embassy is American territory by international Law. He swore an oath on The Bible, and yet he crapped his pants and kicked the can down the road. All the presidents up to and including Obama have failed to deal with this monster. Now it is at its scariest point. We are at a point where we will be involved at a time and place chosen for us by Saudi Arabia and the Sunni terrorist, or Israel in an existential debacle. How did we get to be such a cowardly nation? The leftist did it to us. Some progressives are delusional and think they could talk to the insane savages, while the Marxist will celebrate our demise as a nation so that they may rebuild what is left into a new dictatorship of the proletariat. The so called 99%. Obama’s is betting on it.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      jimmy carer.. WORST US PRESIDENT EVER.

      • Notalibfool

        Obama is working hard to earn that title.

        • Wolfthatknowsall

          About a year ago, I would have said the same thing. However, I’ve got to agree that Drakken, above, is correct in this instance. Horrible man, Obama …

      • Drakken

        Sorry to say Comrade Obummer has now won that title with honors.

      • defcon 4

        Carter never advocated for Israel to return to indefensible borders — the zero did.

  • Walter Sieruk

    This new “deal” that Obama had made with Iran is a sick joke and a hoax. For example the site in Iran of Parchin where researchers are busy at work weaponizing enriched uranium is outside of the inspecters border limits. Furthermore the House Intelligence Commitee Chairman ,Mike Rogers, stated that this deal “rewarded very bad and dangerous behavior” by Iran. He also said “We may have just encouraged more violence in the future than we have stopped.” Moreover, last Friday night at a group lecture that had the guest speaker who in times past was an Iranian citizen,a Muslim, and a Hezbollah member but now is a Christian and an American citizen was asked near the end of his lecture during the question and answer part “What about the Obama deal with Iran ? ” The speaker answered “It is a disaster. It’s a disaster for Israel, It’s a disaster for the Iranian people, it’s a disaster for America, it’s a disaster for the Middle East and a disaster for the world.”
    In conclusion, this “deal” with Iran is a sick joke, a hoax, a disaster and an affront.

    • T800

      Parchin is where tests of neutron initiators and implosion of dummy pits were made(both ONLY used for nuclear bombs,no peaceful applications for those items),then TWO massive cleanups to hide the evidence were observed by satellite surveillance.

  • nonva

    Adam turner – Do you get your salary from neo-cons? I’m glad you are not a judge.

  • http://historyscoper.com/ T.L. Winslow

    No matter how lame the Obama admin. gets, Israel has long had the power to say Merry Christmas, Assaholas, BOOM! GO ISRAEL.

  • Syed Own

    Most of points are baseless, Iran or Hezbollah can not be responsible for innocents killing, their religion and believe strongly condemns that.
    However it is very likely Iran or Hezbollah could have captured or killed U.S soldiers, it is a war what do you expect armies from either side to do.

    • Drakken

      So glad that you agree we are at war, the time is coming where you effing muslim savages will be more worried about food, clothing, shelter and heat than you are about jihad, your cities are about to burn so dear ole allah ain’t going to save your azzes.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      their religion condems killing “innocents”.

      I wonder what is fascist irans definition of an “innocent”?

      Only those who carry out the demands of the satanic ayatoolahs. Everyone else is not an “innocent”.

      DEATH to the islamofascist regime of iran!
      HANG all the ayatoolahs!
      DECAPITATE irans gestapo – the “revolutionary guard”.

      LONG LIVE PERSIA!

    • marvin boggs

      If Iran is not at war with the US,then why do they “capture or kill US soldiers”,or take ANY actions in Lebanon against the US? Why does Iran make embassy bombings all around the world? What beef does Iran has with Israel,who is over 1000 miles away and doesn’t share any borders with Iran? Israel has done nothing to Iran,except to intercept it’s arms and explosives shipments to Gaza-Hamas,in self-defense.

  • Syed Own

    Media should learn to publish the truth and stop hiding the truth that is bitter for their own interest. No one harms other for no reason. People are not stupid, same articles were publish for Iraq and what was the outcome, 500,000 innocents lives were lost, for what?

    • 1Indioviejo1

      Islam was created as a Satanic Cult, just to do harm to humanity. Recognize the truth and stop braying.

      • Syed Own

        listen you racist illiterate, read about other’s religion and then open your mouth.

        • 1Indioviejo1

          Listen Syed, racism is in every human heart. It is part of the human condition and I understand that if I went to Iran today I would be treated with the disrespect your people show for Hispanics, specially the ones that won’t convert to the satanic cult. Banana Republic?
          Now seriously, Islam suffers from intolerance even to the point of forbidding any criticism or discussion

        • Drakken

          You inbred Islamic savages deserve everything coming to you and more. Nice use of the race card Hajji, in case it goes over your head, I has zero meaning anymore.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Racism? Explain that. Obviously you can’t even follow the conversation.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      1,000,000 lives were lost in the 8 year iraq/iran war.

      For what?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

      May the prophet of Satan, Mohammed, continue to BURN in H E L L for all time!

      • Syed Own

        And who was involve in that war? U.S.A. else there wont be another war like that. And it was not Iran who started it was U.S with Iraq. Iranian are not sitting duck they are allowed to defend themselves. And stop your racist none sense only small minded idiots are racists. Like Christians have been innocent monk.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Satan Own,

          islamofascist animals kill each other. sunni .vs. shiite.

          When no Muslims are around, your islamofascist animals kill non-Muslims.
          Islam has become a religion of Death.

          • defcon 4

            Islam always was a religion of death. Muhammad himself had his critics slaughtered and murdered a thousand Jews after they surrendered.

          • defcon 4

            Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt, wrong. Shiites and Sunnis have no problems killing/persecuting the unbelieving najjis kaffir without respect to the presence of Shia or Sunnis.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          fascist iran will fall.
          fascist iran will be wiped off the pages of time.
          fascist iran will be LIBERATED and be renamed PERSIA!

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “And who was involve in that war? U.S.A. else there wont be another war like that.”

          What? We supplied one side so it’s our fault. That’s idiotic. They wouldn’t have used swords or anything like that. Right? The Soviets wouldn’t have gotten involved.

          All the fault of the USA. All of it. Tyranny of ancient Rome? USA’s fault. Spanish Inquisition? Crusades? USA supports all tyranny!

        • marvin boggs

          maybe it wasn’t so smart for Iran to invade the US Embassy and take our people hostage.
          If all you got in retaliation was the Iraq-Iran war,consider yourself lucky.
          And the US had nothing to do with starting that war.That was Saddam all the way.
          nice use of your own people as human minefield clearers,BTW. real humane.[sarc]

    • Drakken

      Only 500,000? We are definitely slipping, oh in case a rag head likes you forgets, most of those dead are from your own kind, so go hug an IED.

  • 1Indioviejo1

    Most everyone who reads this article agrees with the author. Iran, and every enemy out there will push us until we react. That is not a good way to defend the nation. I believe when we see a threat we should deal with it immediately and nip it at the bud.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Right ON!

      Soon fascist iran will be wiped off the pages of time.

      INSHALLAH!

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    DEATH! to the islamofascist regime of iran!

    LONG LIVE PERSIA!

    • Drakken

      There hasn’t been a Persia in 860 years, the arab muslims bred the Persian out of them.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Time for Persia to be reborn and it drives the fascist iranians into the Arabian Ocean.

        • defcon 4

          The Persians are GONE. The Zoroastrians WERE the Persians. Zoroastrianism, not islam, was the religion of Persia. The population of Zoroastrians (and Jews, and Christians, and Baha’i) is diminishing annually in the Islamic “republic” of Iran.

      • Omar

        Actually, Persia was the official name for Iran until 1935 when the father of the last Shah of Iran asked everyone to call the country “Iran”. That’s a fact.

        • Drakken

          There hasn’t been a Persia or Persian in over 800 years since the arab muslims killed and bred the Persian out of them, Persia is only a name of a long forgotten age. The problem was and is, that the Shah shouldhave eliminated every ayatollah and blew up every mosque in one fell swop and outlawed islam, they might have stood and chance, but muzzys being muzzys, they sowed the seeds of their own destruction.

  • Edward smith

    Is that the best you got mr. turner? That isn’t gonna cut it kid.

    Iran has never been a threat to the US and never will

    • Drakken

      You Iranians are a clear and present danger period, you can live in denial all you want, but war is coming to you effing savages. Payback is going to be a bitch.

      • Edward smith

        The US is not going to war with Iran. Sorry. The world wants peace. Not your hatred

        • notalibfool

          The world wants peace? Yes, most of us do, including myself. However it is a little hard to think that your friends in the Iranian government want peace.

          • Edward smith

            Your friends in congress and the knesset are the problem. They want war. Not peace.

          • Notalibfool

            Wrong, buddy. It is your friend and hero Obama who is making this mess worse.

            Go ahead though, be a fool. Believe whatever you want to believe.

          • Edward smith

            Obama is ending the wars. He’s trying diplomacy. Something bush never did.

            Diplomacy is not a bad thing. It is a great thing.

          • notalibfool

            No, he’s surrendering. One thing you will learn in life is that there are those who cannot be reasoned with. Hitler was one such example. Ayatollah Khamenei is another.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Both socialist dictator hitler and fascist dictator khomeni BURN in H E L L .

            rohami and khamenei will join them.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “No, he’s surrendering.”

            He gets tough against anyone opposing the Muslim Brotherhood, that’s for sure.

          • notalibfool

            Good point. He defends the Brotherhood like a mama bear protecting her cubs.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “O” went on a tour of Islamist countries, apologizing for America.

            20 years of being Rev. Wrights servant paid off.

          • notalibfool

            “Reverend” Wright sounds a lot like the Ayatollahs. Constantly vomiting out anti-West nonsense.

          • Edward smith

            I don’t buy your propaganda sorry. Your lies only guarantee war. Everything you advocate only ensures war war and more war.

            We were able to deal with the chinese. And at the time they were considered unreasonable. That turned out to a bunch of lies.

          • notalibfool

            Blah, blah blah. Eddie, you have made no worthwhile contribution here. All you have done is repeat the same old nonsense we have heard a thousand times before.

            Also, if you are such a pro-diplomacy peaceful man then why are you calling me a nit-wit, a liar, and a propagandist?

          • Edward smith

            No. These kinds of lies and rhetoric are dangerous because they only leave room for war. They make war the last resort. If it were true then we wouldn’t have a choice. Thankfully for humanity it is not true.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Obama is ending the wars. He’s trying diplomacy. Something bush never did.”

            Wow. Each comment is more deranged. When was he supposed to use diplomacy where he didn’t? The fact that we had deployments means in your mind diplomacy didn’t happen? You’re insane.

            Check the timeline you psychopathic dupe. And look at all of the wars that didn’t happen. But that’s impossible for someone like you.

            The only difference between 0′Bama and Bush is that 0′Bama favors wars and diplomatic policies that diminish American power.

            But you lap up leftist media narratives like catnip.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            objectivefactsmatter AKAR!
            ;

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “O” is not trying diplomancy.

            “O” is trying surrender.

          • Drakken

            The diplomat is the servant of the soldier,,not the other way around, you leftist dolts have the ship of state of course.

          • defcon 4

            Diplomacy is a bad thing when its founded on the shifting sands of islamic lies and hudna.

          • Edward smith

            Diplomacy is never a bad thing

          • notalibfool

            Then practice it yourself and quit calling people names.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Your friends in congress and the knesset are the problem. They want war. Not peace.”

            Nobody in the West wants war. It’s just a slur people use when they’re so stupid that they can’t understand the world and it frightens them. They blame it all on the guy across the street that they always disagree with.

            You’re clearly a communist dupe. Poor you.

          • Drakken

            Burn baby burn!

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          You want irans hatred of iraqis, sunni, women, gays, jews, Israel.

          The world wants peace. Not islamofascist hatred of everyone different from them.

          The idiotic iranian regime is against neckties. They consider neckties to be the sign of “crusaders”.

          Fascist iran needs a revolution to overthrow the savage ayatollahs.

          • Edward smith

            I don’t think so.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Does fascist iran have rallies where the crowd chants “death to America”?
            .

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92myDzAFgU4

            America says

            DEATH TO IRAN!
            DEATH TO THE AYATOOLAHS!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            There is an opposition movement in fascist iran that will come to power and decapitate the fascists controlling iran.

        • Drakken

          You dumbazz peaceniks always make war worse that what it should be, you effing morons deny human natures propensity for the natural order of things, war in the end decides all things, peace is a leftist idiots construct of make believe.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Fascist iran is at war with EVERYBODY.

          Iraq, US, Israel, Saudi Araiba, sunnis, women, homosexuals, infidels in general.

          fascist iran WILL be wiped off the map.

          • defcon 4

            Who cares if they’re at war w/Soddy Barbaria? Do you think your mild criticism of islam would be acceptable in Soddy Barbaria? Trying to pick Soddy Barbaria over Iran is like trying to prefer the SA to the SS.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          The world wants peace.

          fascist iran wants war – to bring their 12th imam/califlower whatever out of the well.

          Fascist iran is a danger to the entire world.

          Decapitating fascist iran would bring peace to the world – and lower oil prices.

          • defcon 4

            Bzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong. Soddy Barbaria is still one of the top sponsors of worldwide islam0nazi terrorism.

        • defcon 4

          Yes, this is why the iranian islam0nazis can’t stop ranting and raving about destroying Israel — because they want peace.

          • Edward smith

            israel threatens iran on a daily basis. Iran has never threatened israel.

          • notalibfool

            Please read the news more often.

          • defcon 4

            ONly in your delusions Farshad Al Taqiyya.

    • Notalibfool

      Buddy, they seized our embassy and mistreated (to put it mildly) its staff. They and their pals Hezbollah murdered over 200 of our soldiers in Lebanon in the early 1980s. There is plenty more to the list, but you can look for it yourself.

      Iran’s government and supporters continue to have their pathetic “Death to America” protests.

      • Edward smith

        Was that action of taking the embassy unprovoked? Did we not overthrow their government and install a dictator?

        Did we not get them into war with Iraq for 8 years?

        Did we not blow up their airliners and give the commander a medal?

        The United States is not going to go to war with Iran. THAT is why diplomacy is going on. It is the ONLY REAL solution. Obama and congress finally realizes this.

        • notalibfool

          The action against our embassy was plainly illegal. There is no justification for attacking an embassy/diplomats.

          We overthrew their government? Son, can you stop and realize that there had to be significant support in Iran for Mossadegh to be removed? Did you even know that the Shah in question came to power in 1941, several years before the coup? We did not install him.

          We got them into the war with Iraq? Are we Saddam Hussein?

          Their airliners? I only recall us shooting down one of their airliners. The medal the commander was awarded a medal? Can you prove that he was awarded a medal solely for having shot down an airliner?

          Why do you insist on blaming the US for everything? Why do you hate my country so much?

          • Edward smith

            I love my family. Was the taking of the US embassy an unprovoked act? Answer the question.

            It only took a few bolsheviks to install the USSR.

            Besides it’s a fact that we overthrew their government in 1953. A fact. We’ve even apologized for it.

          • Drakken

            Taking any embassy is always an unprovoked act lefty, but then an apologist for Islamic aggression will bow and grovel before them in the hopes that the savages will either kill you last or at least like you, bloody pathetic and you are a disgrace to western civilization.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Right.

            I can imagine a nuclear exchange where embassies are not targeted. Yet it’s the first thing these losers do.

            Why is that? Because they expected to launch a war by attacking the very idea that they would EVER make peace with us. That’s the message in STARTING a war by attacking an embassy.

          • Turaj

            Wrong.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Well said.

            Dumbass, you might want to learn about your enemy before making so many stupid assumptions. I don’t care if you hate us. Really, I don’t. It’s up to you to find out what you value on this planet. Evil will always oppose the good. And evil people like you will always find motives to present yourself as a victim. It’s how the world works, especially when the evil ones are also the weak ones.

          • Notablibfool

            So in your mind the illegal seizure of our embassy was justified? Thought I was the tard monkey……..

          • Turaj

            You’re manner of debate is the disgrace to Western civilization, righty.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            He’s not debating you. He’s informing you.

          • Notalibfool

            No one asked about your family.

            Did you ever ponder why Mossadegh was removed?

          • Edward smith

            Mossadegh was a threat to bizwogs interest so they took him out. He wanted to nationalize the oil so they got rid of him.

          • notalibfool

            Good riddance to him.

          • Omar

            Mossadegh wasn’t removed because he centralized the oil companies. He was removed because he got into a power struggle with the Shah and the Iranian parliament and he suspended civil liberties. In addition, Mossadegh was a Communist who wanted to install a Soviet/Chinese Communist puppet state in Iran. If the problem was really about centralized property, why wasn’t Nehru overthrown as prime minister of India. The difference was that Nehru was never a Communist puppet, while Mossadegh was. That is undeniable.

          • notalibfool

            Thank you Omar for providing a different point of view on Mossadegh. Most people seem to buy the often-told story of him being this perfect man of the people who was brutally overthrown by the “evil” US.

            I wish more people would follow your example and learn the truth. Mossadegh was no hero.

          • Edward smith

            Our own CIA admits that we overthrew Mossadegh because he was a threat to British and US interests. The CIA even admits that he was democratically elected.

            You’re just a propagandist pushing an ugly agenda.

            The CIA has overthrown more leaders than Mossadegh. Mossadegh is just a clear cut example. The CIA has overthrown leaders of countries and financed opposition parties for 60 plus years!

          • notalibfool

            What now is this ugly agenda I am allegedly pushing?

            Mossadegh was the prime minister APPOINTED to that role by Iran’s legitimate leader, the Shah.

            You really seemed turned on by this evil CIA talk. Quite frankly I am grateful for the CIA’s efforts to keep our country free.

            Please read and try to comprehend Omar’s statement above. He did his research; you did not. The story is much deeper than you realize. Mossadegh was no man of the people. He had his own personal agenda in mind.

          • Edward smith

            War. That’s the agenda you’re pushing. Lies and propaganda. The shah was a dictator put in power by the west and the CIA is very clear on this. It’s declassified. Omar is a liar and propagandist. You are a very ignorant person

          • Omar

            The Shah was already in power before the coup even happened! The last Shah of Iran came to power in 1941, about a dozen years before Mossadegh was removed from power as prime minister. The Shah and the Iranian opposition removed a would-be Communist dictator from power. I am telling you facts. You are repeating Stalinist/Maoist lies and propaganda. Quit repeating Communist propaganda and learn from facts.

          • Notablibfool

            Thank you again, Omar! The voice of reason and intelligent thought here!

          • Notablibfool

            So far you have called me a nit-wit, a propagandist, a liar, and a very ignorant person.

            Where is all this diplomacy you claim to advocate? Are you just another internet tough guy?

          • Omar

            So has the KGB. The KGB has supported and financed Soviet client states and opposition in other countries, as well as overthrown other leaders in many countries during the Cold War period. Keep in mind that it was the KGB that created the Palestine Liberation Organization and the so-called “Palestinian nationality” and “Palestinian” people with help from Egyptian dictator Gamel Abdel Nasser (who was an Arab nationalist, a Communist totalitarian and a Soviet puppet) in order to discredit Israel’s right to exist. That was in 1964, 16 years after the creation of modern Israel. Regarding Iran, Mossadegh was not elected prime minister. He was appointed by the Iranian parliament, and the Shah (who had been in power since 1941) approved and ratified the choice. The coup came not when Mossadegh centralized the oil companies, but when he showed his true colors and attempted to overthrow the Iranian government and replace it with a Communist totalitarian government allied with the Soviet Union and Communist China. Keep on mind that the Stalinist/Maoist Mossadegh suspended civil liberties for Iranians and dissolved the very parliament who appointed him prime minister. The coup was not planned by the CIA, but by the British M16, the Shah and the Iranian opposition. The CIA joined the anti-Mossadegh coup when it became clear that the autocrat was on the Soviet/Chinese Communist payroll and was trying to turn Iran into a Soviet/Chinese Communist client state. Learn from facts instead of repeating Stalinist/Maoist lies and propaganda.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “The CIA joined the anti-Mossadegh coup when it became clear that the autocrat was on the Soviet/Chinese Communist payroll and was trying to turn Iran into a Soviet/Chinese Communist client state.”

            Bingo.

          • Edward smith

            So the US is in good company with the KGB? That’s not a good thing. Mossadegh was democratically elected.

          • Omar

            No. Mossadegh was not democratically elected. He was appointed to the position of prime minister by the Iranian parliament, and the Shah, who was already in power as head of state, approved and ratified the choice. The U.S. was not in good company with the Soviet intelligence services. Mossadegh was. Mossadegh was on the payroll of both the Soviet Union and Communist China and that was why he was rightfully removed from power by the Iranian government. That is undeniable.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            You actually think that the CIA reports to some international business consortium that is ruled by American “bizwogs.”

            Amiright?

          • Edward smith

            You said israel was a member of NATO. Need I say more?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Funny that you don’t quote me.

          • Notablibfool

            Eddie believes anything the media/Obama administration tells him.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Mossadegh was a threat to bizwogs interest so they took him out. He wanted to nationalize the oil so they got rid of him.”

            That’s right. Bizwogs, eh?

            F-off a-hole spoiled brat. Without that “biz-stuff” you’d be living in the mud somewhere.

          • Edward smith

            I never said I hated my country either nit-wit.

          • notalibfool

            Aw, now the great wise one is resorting to using childish insults. Way to defend your cause!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “I never said I hated my country either nit-wit.”

            We can easily infer that you do. Pot.

          • Omar

            Objectivefactsmatter, don’t bother arguing with Edward Smith. He is obviously a Communist troll who pretends to act like a diplomatic person, but is in fact an agent of radical left-wing anti-American regimes.

          • Edward smith

            Mossadegh was removed because he was a threat to US and british interests. he nationalized their oil.

          • Omar

            Mossadegh was a threat to American and British interests, but he wasn’t removed because he centralized the oil companies. He was overthrown because he was a Stalinist/Maoist who had ties to the Soviets and the Chinese Communists. He was on the payroll of both Moscow and Beijing. Mossadegh dissolved parliament and suspended civil liberties, as well as attempted to turn Iran into a Communist totalitarian country and a Soviet/Chinese Communist puppet state. Learn from facts instead of repeating Stalinist/Maoist lies and propaganda.

          • Edward smith

            Why do you have to lie? He was democratically elected. Totally foreign involvement all across the board. Mossadegh had sought to reduce the semi-absolute role of the Shah granted by the Constitution of 1906, thus making Iran a full democracy. Mossadegh was for reforms that were against western plans for Iran. The west wanted Iran to be a client state like Saudi Arabia or Egypt. Mossadegh wanted Iran to be a democracy.

            In August 2013 the CIA
            formally admitted that it was involved in both the planning and the
            execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians,
            security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda

          • Omar

            Are you really that stupid? Egypt was a Soviet client state! Egypt at that time was ruled by a dictator named Gamel Abdel Nasser, who was a Communist totalitarian who was allied with the Soviet Union and Communist China. Mossadegh wanted to destroy Iranian democracy and impose Communist totalitarianism in Iran. He was on the payroll of both the Soviet Union and Communist China. The West wanted Iran to remain a democracy, but the Communist Mossadegh got into a power struggle with the Iranian government , dissolved Parliament, suspended civil liberties and jailed political prisoners. The CIA joined the anti-Mossadegh coup efforts. They didn’t plan the coup. The M16 and Mossadegh’s opponents planned the coup when the Communist prime minister went out of control with his Soviet-backed agenda. Quit repeating Communist lies and propaganda and learn from facts.

          • Omar

            Admit that you are an America-hating, Communist totalitarian-loving Stalinist/Maoist.We did not overthrow Iran’s government, you Communist. Mossadegh wanted to turn Iran into a Soviet/Chinese Communist puppet state. That is undeniable.

          • notalibfool

            And we had every reason to be concerned about Mossadegh’s goals. The Soviets (and the Russian Empire before them) were clearly interested in seizing at least part of Iran. Iran has resources that the commies in Moscow wanted badly.

          • Edward smith

            He was democratically elected and we apologized for overthrowing him .

          • notalibfool

            “He was democratically elected….”

            Yawn! Same old tired fallacy.

          • Edward smith

            He was democratically elected. Are you that lazy you can’t use google? Or is google some liberal lefty terrorist muslim sympathizer search engine ?

          • notalibfool

            So now Mr. Diplomacy is calling me lazy. How cute!

          • Edward smith

            Classified documents show British intelligence officials played a
            pivotal role in initiating and planning the coup, and that AIOC (now BP)
            contributed $25,000 towards the expense of bribing officials.

            Mossadegh had sought to reduce the semi-absolute role of the Shah granted by the Constitution of 1906, thus making Iran a full democracy

          • Omar

            This is BS. Mossadegh got into a power struggle with the Shah and the Iranian parliament that put him in power in the first place. He got into a power struggle with them because they stood in his way. The Shah and the Iranian parliament wouldn’t let Mossadegh trample the government and turn it into a Communist totalitarian state and a a client state of the Soviet Union and Communist China. Keep in mind that Mossadegh dissolved the Iranian parliament, suspended civil liberties for Iranians and jailed political prisoners. The Shah became more autocratic after Mossadegh was removed from power because he wanted to avoid a repeat of what happened with Mossadegh and his attempt to impose Communist totalitarianism in Iran. That is undeniable.

          • Notablibfool

            I can’t help but wonder why some people are so obsessed with defending Mossadegh at all costs. What about that man turns people on so much? He is not the only leader to have been terminated, but he is the one who gets the most support, and those who do support him, display irrational and childish rage whenever he is criticized.

            In fact, it is that obsessiveness that led me to research him and discover the truth.

          • Edward smith

            In 1951, Iran’s oil industry was nationalized with near-unanimous support of Irans Parliament in a bill introduced by Mossadegh who led the nationalist party the National Front Iran’s oil had been controlled by the British-owned AIOC prior to this occasion.

          • Omar

            This is an outrageous load of BS. Most Iranians (as well as the West) could give two hoots about whether the oil companies were centralized or not. Mossadegh’s National Front party was a Communist party whose goal was to overthrow Iran’s constitutional monarchy/parliamentary democracy and replace it with a Communist totalitarian dictatorship align with (as well as a client state of) the Soviet Union and Communist China. The Western intelligence organizations joined the efforts to remove Mossadegh when his Communist connections and true agenda was exposed by the Iranian opposition. There had to be significant support in Iran in order for Mossadegh to be removed from power and there was. Why don’t you talk about how the KGB and the Cuban intelligence organizations forcibly overthrew the government of Eric Gairy in Grenada and replaced it with a Communist totalitarian regime? But of course you won’t talk about that event because you hate democracy and support Communist totalitarianism. Learn from facts instead of repeating Stalinist/Maoist lies and propaganda.

          • Edward smith

            You’re a liar

          • notalibfool

            And you have lost the argument. Isn’t that why you have resorted to name calling, pardner?

          • Turaj

            He was appointed by open vote by elected representatives. Is that long enough for you, tard monkey? Can Ed Smith use the word “elected” now? Is it okay now to say we shouldn’t have forcibly changed their government for western oil interests? Is that okay now? Oh, that’s right, narcissists and people of lower cerebral activity can never admit responsibility, and since your brainstem-centered way of operating identifies your nation completely with yourself, that means you can’t admit… that… well, sniff, maybe… maybe daddy could have been wrong? waaaaaahhhhh. Bitch. You righties are all cowardly, thoughtless bitches, pretending to be men. It’s time to start admitting it and stop dancing around your pathetic minefield of insecurities.

          • Omar

            We did not overthrow Iran’s government for business. The self-declared dictator Mossadegh was overthrown by the very people who put him in power because he wasamenace to the Iranian people. Mossadegh wad secret connections to the Soviet Union and Communist China and was on the payroll of both Moscow and Beijing. He wanted to turn Iran into a Soviet/Chinese Communist client state. The Iranian opposition rightfully removed Mossadegh from power. That is undeniable.

          • Edward smith

            Classified documents show British intelligence officials played a
            pivotal role in initiating and planning the coup, and that AIOC (now BP)
            contributed $25,000 towards the expense of bribing officials

          • Omar

            Classified documents by who? The KGB? The Communist Party of Iran? Or the Islamist mullahs in Iran?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            You have such poor reading comprehension that I doubt anyone is concerned about any conclusions you spew.

          • Notablibfool

            Tard monkey? WOW! You are so thoughtful and intelligent!

          • Notalibfool

            Lol! You are so funny!

          • Turaj

            Ah, it’s that black-and-white, Bush-era thinking that solves so much in the world today. People who think must hate America. I’d expect better of you, brother. But I think I smell shahi :)

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Actions are either taken or not. That doesn’t mean people don’t understand the nuanced arguments for and against any particular action.

            More hypocrisy from you. Can you even imagine that people who disagree with you are human?

            “People who think must hate America.”

            Ipso facto. Sure. This from the idiot that thinks his narratives are “the truth.”

            Jihadis must hate America. Delusional communists hate America because it stands in the way of international communism, and idiotic jihadis actually believe all of the agitation propaganda (from historical jihadi liars and communist lunatics) they were spoon-fed since birth. While also being told they are the “thinking people.”

            It’s true: Maniacal lunatics often do hate America while considering themselves the smart ones.

          • Edward smith

            The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out “under CIA
            direction” and “as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved
            at the highest levels of government.”

          • Omar

            Yeah. After Mossadegh’s Communist connections and agenda was exposed by the British M16 intelligence, the Shah and the Iranian opposition. Admit that Mossadegh was a Communist totalitarian who was on the payroll of both the Soviet Union and Communist China. Why don’t you discuss all of the coups, civil wars and forced overthrowing of governments that your beloved KGB instigated with approval from the highest level of the Soviet dictatorship?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “I love my family. Was the taking of the US embassy an unprovoked act? Answer the question.”

            Nothing in politics can be described as unprovoked. People rarely take political action without a pretext prepared. Come on you idiot. Was it compassion for Pahlavi that sent them over the edge? Or was it their insane freaks leading them from behind the scenes just waiting for suitable excuse?

            You tell us your little whiny story, I’m sure we’ve heard some variation. Civilized people don’t attack embassies. That was the most outrageous embassy attack in modern history.

            Therefore even if we can say that the Iranians had some motives for being unsupportive of America in general, what they did was savage. That’s just the way it is. It doesn’t matter what excuse they use. It means they’re unpredictable and you cannot trust them because they’re the kind of people that do crazy insane things like…attack freaking embassies.

            “It only took a few bolsheviks to install the USSR.”

            The price of tea in China has been steadily increasing over the decades.

            “Besides it’s a fact that we overthrew their government in 1953. A fact. We’ve even apologized for it.”

            We took sides in a domestic dispute because we didn’t want a socialist regime disrupting global trade. Global trade is what ensures global peace, you maroon. Unless of course you’re dealing with the kind of insane people that attack embassies. Then you need to be a little more forceful some times.

            We apologized because it was seen as the right thing to do diplomatically. Then again, 0′Bama thinks giving them nukes is the right thing to do diplomatically. Some things are controversial. Can you understand that?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Time for another revolution in fascist iran.

            Hang the ayatollahs for starters.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          As long as the islamofascist terrorist islamist regime of iran declares “death to america” the US should declare “DEATH TO IRAN”.

          Americans should walk on the flag of the hateful islamofascist regime of iran.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Was that action of taking the embassy unprovoked?”

          Sure. They were provoked by their own maniacal leadership.

          “Did we not overthrow their government and install a dictator?”

          No. We did take sides though. So what?

          “Did we not blow up their airliners and give the commander a medal?”

          One airliner. That was 1988. Is that why they stormed our embassy in 1979? Is that why they sponsored terrorism up to that point? They knew the accident was coming and tried preemptive terrorism?

          “The United States is not going to go to war with Iran.”

          That’s right. The USA is led by idiots. But Iran has been at war with us.

          “THAT is why diplomacy is going on. It is the ONLY REAL solution. Obama and congress finally realizes this.”

          If diplomacy is “the ONLY REAL solution,” then the only real solution includes a nuclear-armed maniacal enemy that believes their god wants them to destroy us. How stupid does one have to be to think that’s reasonable and rational policy?

          Answer: Ed smith stupid.

          • Notalibfool

            Agreed! Ed Smith follow what media tell him. No think. Just follow.

          • Turaj

            Man. you reeeeeeally sound dumb to people who know the history,who are from there, and who are trying reaaaallly hard not to see the American right as a bunch of macho hotheads who want nothing more than to send the poor to war instead of troubling with thought. Just so your brain explodes: Reagan’s campaign made sure the hostages were kept, they were taken in the first place by communists—the ayatollah just jumped on the bandwagon and took it over after he saw it was gonna happen anyway, against his wishes—, we went to war with Iran when we supplied Saddam with weapons and terrible dual-use chemicals and helicopters to spray them with, and just “one airplane”, really, dude? Well then it was “just one Marine barracks”. Try to imagine for a whole minute that people in other countries are human, and would act just like you.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Reagan’s campaign made sure the hostages were kept”

            Of course a contender always has more power than a sitting president looking to get reelected. That makes sense.

            “…they were taken in the first place by communists—the ayatollah just jumped on the bandwagon and took it over after he saw it was gonna happen anyway, against his wishes—”

            Somehow I think you missed the point.

            “…we went to war with Iran when we supplied Saddam with weapons and terrible dual-use chemicals and helicopters to spray them with, and just “one airplane”.”

            We were already essentially at war with Iran. People need to accept consequences of their own actions.

            That’s unfortunate. Not very specific or contextual, but unfortunate in any case.

            “Try to imagine for a whole minute that people in other countries are human, and would act just like you.”

            You’re talking to yourself. If you’re so in to dealing with people on a human level, why don’t you engage in real conversations before launching yourself on presumptuous rants? Because you’re projecting.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Fascist iran must SURRENDER, UNCONDITIONALLY, to Infidels.

          The ayatollahs will be tried at a War Crimes tribunal.

          The ayatollahs found guilty of Crimes Against Humanity will face a death penalty.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Devil worshiper,

          How does the US get sunni and shiites into a war?

          sunni and shiites hate each other – considering the other guy to be evil.

          Islamism is a Death Cult.

          The UN should kick fascist iran out to improve the reputation of the UN.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “How does the US get sunni and shiites into a war?”

            Um, yeah. That one was so ridiculous I forgot to even mention it.

            But don’t forget the thousands of years of American white supremacist bigoted homophobic imperialism!

      • defcon 4

        That’s very unfair. Death to Israel is just as popular.

        • notalibfool

          You’re right, how could I forget about that. Khamenei and his mindless minions hate all that is good.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      LOL

    • RagingVoiceOfReason

      You’re right, “they’re just like us.”

    • T800

      Iran’s first use of a nuclear bomb may not be over Israel,but the US,an EMP attack. An EMP attack on the US would set us back to 19th century living conditions we are NOT prepared for,and many millions would die from starvation and disease in the first year. It could mean the end of the US. Iran has been testing SCUD launches from containerships,with HIGH altitude detonations characteristic of an EMP attack,and not usable for attacks with conventional warheads . This type of attack is not needed for Israel,Iran’s IRBMs already can reach Israel. But with the US crippled or destroyed,Iran is free to do as they please,without any other Western nation able or willing to interfere with them.
      Also note that Iran is building a missile base in Venezuela,putting the US in range of Iran’s IRBMs.
      http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/01/iran_building_missile_base_in_venezuela.html
      Lastly,MAD deterrence only works with RATIONAL players,and Iran’s mullahs are not rational.

      • Edward smith

        Why not worry about countries that actually HAVE nuclear weapons like India, Pakistan and Israel? North Korea? China etc.

        Stop making up lies about a country that has never threatened another country ever.

        • notalibfool

          Iran has never threatened another country ever? How about the many times have Iranian officials talked about destroying Israel?

          The only person making up lies here is you.

          • notalibfool

            Oops! I forgot to add Iran’s role in creating, training, and funding Hezbollah. Through this criminal organization Iran has terrorized and harassed citizens of various countries.

          • Edward smith

            israel is the country that threatens Iran with bombing and war. Iran has never threatened israel with war.

          • defcon 4

            I wonder if you really believe that? Or do you just blindly follow the lies spewed by islam0nazi propaganda outlets like PressTV and/or the mainstream media in any islam0nazi state.

          • notalibfool

            Our dear diplomatic friend Edward speaks (types) with all the naivete of an early-20s college student, filled with glorious ideas of utopia fed to him by his university.

            Someday he may grow up. Someday.

          • notalibfool

            Mr. Diplomacy, how do you interpret all of this “Death to America” and “Death to Israel” stuff we keep hearing? Sounds threatening to me (and to every other intelligent person).

            So are you going to call me a nit-wit again? :)

          • Edward smith

            It’s not a threat. Death to america is equivalent to the US saying damn america. Or dammit man. Saying damn traffic. damn kids. People are not literally wishing eternal damnation towards their kids or traffic. It’s a figure of speech.

            The only country threatening another country is israel constantly threatening to use military force against a country who has not threatened them

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Thirty-five years of denial that the Islamic Republic is in a state of war with the U.S.

    It’s not only the Islamic state of Iran that is waging war against the USA, including all religions and all infidels in the world as well, but the entire Islamic world, including the millions of Muslim immigrants living in the USA, Europe, and all throughout the infidel world that is also waging war to ultimately make Islam supreme. As a matter of fact, the sole fundamental purpose of Islam is the subjugation of all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad to ultimately make Islam supreme. The notion that Islam is a so-called “religion of peace” and with the exception of just a few stray extremists that perpetrate terrorism here and there, the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims in the world are peaceful and moderate people is a political correct multicultural myth. The truth is all Muslims are jihadists in one form or another, as waging jihad in the cause of Allah to make Islam supreme is a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims in one form or another.

  • vladimirval

    This surrender to Iran is Obama’s folly and may turn out more devastating than Chamberlain’s declaration of ” peace in out time”. We must put a stop to these stupid policies of this administration. Step one is to take control of the Senate and keep the House. Then replace Obama with a true patriot that will restore honor and respect to America. We can get this done if we get more active in the coming elections.

  • Texas Patriot

    There is no question that the Iranian program to develop nuclear weapons is a clear and present danger to the United States and the rest of the civilized world. The only sane response to the prospect of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of the Islamic Revolutionary Party of Iran is a warning: “Dismantle and remove your nuclear weapons development complex and permit free inspections by Western observers or we will remove it for you by surgical airstrike with whatever force is necessary to do the job, including bunker busting tactical nuclear warheads especially designed to take out deeply buried facilities.” Two weeks warning should be enough, and in the event the Iranians fail to comply, one night of precision airstrikes should be sufficient to complete the job. The Iranians go to bed one night with their nuclear weapons facilities intact. They wake up the next morning, and there nuclear weapons facilities are gone. No more, no less.

    Any other approach is a complete denial of the catastrophically destabilizing potential of what is taking place in Iran, and I am quite sure that the Russians and Chinese would be on board with us as well, since they too are in the ultimately within the bullseye of Iranian nuclear aggression. And if the confused and deluded politicians in Washington, DC can’t muster the clarity of vision and the courage to do what must be done with respect to the Iranian efforts to develop nuclear weapons, the French should not hesitate to undertake the mission and complete it without delay.

    At this point, there is no doubt that WWIII is already well underway, with the forces of Islamic jihad having been the process of lining up against the rest of the world at least since the massacres at the Munich Olympics in 1972. The only question at this point is whether we want to allow the jihadists to add nuclear weapons to their arsenal.

    • T800

      the US does not HAVE “nuclear bunker-busting bombs”,”tactical” or otherwise. the penetrating nuclear bunker-buster program was canceled long ago. present nuclear warheads are all above-ground detonating,won’t harm a deep bunker or tunnel.

      • Texas Patriot

        Not a problem. I’m sure the plans and specs are still available. It shouldn’t be too hard to put together a dozen or so for the Iranian mission. If we don’t have them or can’t build them perhaps the Russians will loan us a few. It will save them from having to antagonize their Iranian clients, and that way the Russians will still get the highly lucrative contracts for rebuilding the Iranian nuclear weapons production facilities from scratch. It’s a win-win for everybody except the Islamic Revolutionary Party of Iran.

      • defcon 4

        LOL, a ground burst multi-megaton fusion warhead is very good at excavating dirt.