Chuck Hagel: Unprincipled Flip-Flopper or Serial Liar?

In 1998, Chuck Hagel attempted to block the appointment of James Hormel as ambassador to Luxemburg on the grounds that Hormel was “openly and aggressively gay.” Fourteen years later, on the heels of his own political appointment as Department of Defense (DOD) chief, Hagel issued an apology to Hormel calling his remarks “insensitive” and not reflective of his current views on LGBT issues. Of course the timing of Hagel’s “apology” was impeccable. One could even say expedient and likely done not on his own initiative but at the behest of the White House. But Hagel’s sudden reversal on gay issues is but one of a number of recent Hagel retractions.

At his recent confirmation hearings, Hagel reversed himself on nearly every past position he had so staunchly held.  On nuclear weapons, Hagel had co-authored an article where he advocated unilateral reduction in ground-based ICBMs and the elimination of tactical nuclear weapons. Under intense questing from Senator Deb Fischer, Hagel performed an about-face and maintained that he only favored bilateral reductions. This current Hagel position is diametrically opposed to positions that Hagel had previously held and committed himself to in past articles.

On Iran, Hagel is on record as stating that the military option is not a “viable, feasible or responsible option.” However, under questioning from Committee member Kelly Ayotte, Hagel again reversed himself, claiming that what he meant to say was that the military option was not the “preferable option.” The two positions are clearly incongruent and represent diametrically opposed viewpoints, but like a chameleon that changes colors in reaction to external stimuli, Hagel alters and modifies his positions to whatever he thinks his target audience wants to hear.

Consider his earlier positions on Iranian sanctions. His senate record reflects that he opposed them but at the hearings, he voiced support for them. Hagel tried to explain the apparent inconsistency by claiming that he had only opposed unilateral sanctions because he thought that these were ineffective and only served to isolate the United States. At the hearings, he voiced his support for all sanctions without regard for their unilateral or multilateral nature representing yet another about-face.

But as Senator Lindsey Graham so adeptly pointed out, Hagel, the supposed champion of multilateralism, refused to act in that spirit when it came to dealing with Iran’s proxy militia, Hezbollah. In 2006, eighty-eight senators signed a letter addressed to the EU asking it to designate Hezbollah a terrorist organization. This multilateral approach to dealing with international terror was rejected by Hagel, who was one of only twelve senators who refused to sign the letter. Apparently, Hagel champions the multilateral approach when it suits his fringe political views like buttressing the Islamic Republic, but disfavors this approach when Israel is the ancillary beneficiary.

On Hagel’s now infamous “Jewish Lobby” remark whereby he accused pro-Israel groups of “intimidating” Congress into doing “dumb things,” Hagel acknowledged that he should not have used the term “Jewish Lobby.” Under further questioning, he stated that “I should have used ‘influence’” rather than “intimidation” and when stymied by his inability to name a single representative or policy decision influenced by pro-Israel lobbying efforts, Hagel retracted the unsubstantiated comment in its entirety.

When asked by Senator Mike Lee about a 2003 remark in which he stated that Israel was keeping the Palestinians “caged up like animals,” Hagel offered further retraction and stated, “If I had the opportunity to edit that, like many things I’ve said, I would like to go back and change the words and meaning.” He added, “I regret using those choice of words.”

Though the hearings portrayed a man who appeared to be dimwitted and buffoonish, Hagel is no buffoon. He is a man who chooses his words carefully and his record in the Senate as well as his post-Senate years portray an individual whose policies and views are anything but inconsistent. On Iran, Israel, nuclear disarmament and a host of other issues concerning national security, Hagel has consistently been on the wrong side of the fence and on the marginal fringes of mainstream political discourse. Hagel’s recent plethora of recantations suggests a man weak in principle, ethics and morals. Alternatively, they are indicative of a nefarious, serial liar willing to say or do anything to attain his political or personal objective. Either way, the nation can ill afford to entrust such a personality with our national defense and the Senate should reject his nomination without reservation or equivocation.

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  • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

    He is both. He flip flops for political expediency and is a serial liar for the same reason.

    Substitute Hagel for Brennan…for Kerry…for Obama…for Jarrett… for Holder… and on and on. But what really matters is their underlying passion, and it is decidedly anti-American – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/10/07/when-authenti

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel – http://adinakutnicki.com/about/

    • EarlyBird

      He flip flops and lies because he has to. Otherwise he's slimed as an "anti-Semite," or "anti-Israel."

      • Mary Sue

        uh, because he IS an anti-semite?

      • reader

        To elaborate on Mary Sue's observation, according to you, he has to lie and flip flop to conceal his hating of the Jews. On the other hand, you don't.

        • EarlyBird

          No, Hagel has to kow tow to the Israel First lobby in order to be affirmed as AMERICA's Secretary of Defense. That's the scandal, not that he's an anti-Semite. We have to check with Israel to make sure OUR Secretary of Defense is okay with them.

          And by the way: there are actually things worse than being an anti-Semite. We've had all sorts of good leaders who were ant-Semitic (Nixon), racist, etc. The Republic still stood.

          This site is absolutely crawling with racists, and it's hilarious that they are so fastidious about the slightest whiff of anti-Semitism. Eeek!

          • reader

            "We have to check with Israel to make sure OUR Secretary of Defense is okay with them."

            Well, everybody had an opportunity for Hagel to address that when asked directly by Sen. Graham. But he wouldn't. So, just like Graham , he must be trying to become a member of the Israel First lobby too, even though Graham is a Southern Baptist, I believe. Did you ever have your head examined – I generously assume that you're not using pc in the lobby of a ward you're in.

          • EarlyBird

            Um, earth to Reader: among the strongest members of the Israel First lobby ARE fundamentalist Christians, including So. Baptists. Not a surprise.

            And you're saying that the issue of having to get Israel's approval of the US Sec of Def came up in the hearing? What?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            EarlTurd, You belong to the Blame America First.

            Are you a 9/11 "troofer" too?

          • EarlyBird

            Screw Up,

            You're an Israel Firster and you're probably not even Jewish. You're being used as a tool for the Israel Lobby but too dumb to realize it. America is America, Israel is Israel.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            EarlyTurd, Israel didn't

            - hijack 4 planes on 9/11
            - drive a truck bomb into the garage of the WTC
            - murder soldiers in Fort Hood Texas
            - bomb London transport on 7/7/05
            - assassinate US Senator Robert F. Kennedy
            - drive a bomb laden SUV into Times Square
            - bomb Pan Am 103
            - control OPEC

            The above and more are courtesy of your Islamofascist pals in Arabia.

            EarlyTurd, Stop being a useful idiot for Islamofascism.

          • reader

            Paraphrasing Seinfeld character, don't try to lure me into some maze of circular logic. You equated the Hagel with the imaginary "Israeli First lobby." So, having agreed that Israel's approval of anything did not come up, it's time to ask another question: why would not Hagel honestly answer the questions at the hearings? The answer is oubvious: he is a flip flopper and a liar. That's why Obama chose him in the first place.

          • EarlyBird

            I am not here to provide remedial reading lessons, but I'll make it simple. Try to follow along:

            - Hagel is a nominee for Sec of Defense of the United States(not Israel).
            - He is being is being dragged through a kangaroo court by the Israel First lobby, as represented by right wing members of Congress.
            - The vast bulk of questions being asked in this theater of the absurd, therefore, are about Israel's not America's security.
            - Which si proof of the enormous power of the Israel First lobby in America.
            - Hagel simply must lie, deny, backtrack on previous statements so that he can get confirmed. That's the real tragedy.

            Hope that helps.

          • reader

            Oh. I see. The US Senate that you – as as ignoramus that you are – called "Congress" is led by Harry Reed. I suppose, Harry is afraid of the "Israeli First" lobby too.

            "Hagel simply must lie, deny, backtrack on previous statements so that he can get confirmed. That's the real tragedy."

            So, what kind of a leader Hagel would be, if he is afraid of the "Israeli First" lobby? Obama must do better than that – how about Farrakan, or whatever that Jew hater's name is?

          • EarlyBird

            Congress is made up of both the Senate and the House of Representatives. The Senate hearings, therefore, are also "congressional hearings."

            Also, the Senate Majority Leader's last name is spelled "Ried," not "Reed."

            And yes, Ried is afraid of the Israel First lobby too. Just like politicians are afraid of being tarred "racist," "homophobic," "Islamophobic," etc., politicians are afraid of being tarred "anti-Semitic," having their character assassinated and their careers destroyed, just because they may disagree on a point of foreign policy as it relates to Israel.

          • reader

            I could care less how to spell reed's name, but you never answered the question. Do you prefer a liar or a straight forward Jew hater? Name the names, don't be a Hagel.

          • EarlyBird

            In this context I prefer a straight forward liar.

          • reader

            That would be you. But you did not even make it to Obama administration. And that is a low bar. You're the king of losers.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            EarlyTurd, Unfortunately for you Osama bin Laden is not available to be Secretary of Defense.

          • Drakken

            Uhh Reader, I do believe that went completely over numbn*ts indoctrinated little leftist mind.

          • reader

            Your incoherent rhetoric makes me think that you are a member of the USSR First lobby, comrade.

          • EarlyBird

            For the record, in all the responses you've made on this thread, not one of them is substantive.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Why would a Secretary of Defense believe that the Islamofascist Regime of Iran is not a threat to the entire world – especially "the Great Satan" as the Islamofascist president describes the US?

            EarlyTurd, You are a fascist and a moron.

          • EarlyBird

            Screw Up,

            Democracy is for intelligent and courages grown ups who are willing to think for themselves. You are obviously none of these things. Move to Russia.

          • reader

            No need. Russia came to us with Obama and his drone minions like yourself.

          • Drakken

            We live in a Republic you dumbazz! Spoken like a true libidiot, AGAIN!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            EarlyTurd, This is the USA. If you don't like it, relocate to your Turd Reich.

            As a reminder of your history…

            WW2 Victory in Europe Day: Beaten Nazis Sign Historic Surrender (1945)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFFEKPIB0J8

          • Drakken

            You throw that race card around like so much confetti, so you have no impact anymore other than a libidiot talking point, but hey, thanks for playing Sparky. Racist no, realist, and culturalist, yes.

          • EarlyBird

            Ah! He of "sand apes" fame!

          • Drakken

            Ohhh, did I hurt your precious little liberal feelings? Well heres a cookie and a trophy for participating.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Sand nazis.

  • Mary Sue

    Hagel is a chameleon for some reason. He's been masquerading as a conservative but the facade was slipping years ago.

  • SHmuelHaLevi

    Why limiting the character traits of the subject, He is not only an unprincipled flip-flopper but at the same time he is a liar. Fit perfectly into the game plan of his leader.

    • Mary Sue

      I also have the sneaking suspicion that for all these years he's been The Mole.

  • http://frontpage richard sherman

    He is antisemetic just like the Muslim who appointed him.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      nominated, subject to approval by Congress.

  • ApolloSpeaks

    HAGEL HAD WORSE THAN A DOG DAY AFTERNOON

    Obama's anti-American, Israel hating secretary of military retreat and decline to be wasn't just embarrassingly ill-prepared and butt ugly bad at his confirmation hearing Friday, he was utterly, emotionally, sickeningly depressing. Not only is Hagel a muddle headed moron lacking the intellect and right stuff for the job, but he is unwholesome, foul, impure inside-a sick soul engulfed in despair and darkness. It wasn't just his words and fumbling performance I found "profoundly depressing" as others did; the profundity of it went beyond that. If Hagel had been silent during the hearing I would have felt no different. It was his personality that made me feel so ill and wretched. The image that came to mind as I was watching him and taking in his dismal vibes was that of a sad, miserable, disgusting, filthy street mutt. What does Hagel do in his private life I wonder that makes him so spiritually nauseating and depressing? I can only imagine.

  • Capt_Z1

    Like Kerry, Hagel's military service is also a facade.

    • EarlyBird

      How so, Captain Z1? You mean he really didn't serve in combat in Vietnam? He really didn't get the commendations he received for his service there?

      Oh, and Kerry really never served in Vietnam, under fire, by all accounts bravely and honorably? How so? Because the GOP Swift Boat campaign told you so? Or because you're a liar, or because you're stupid?

      • Mary Sue

        Why is Kerry to be believed when he has been proven to have lied about what he did in Vietnam, over the Swift Boat Veterans he sold out?

        • EarlyBird

          Mary Sue, facts actually exist even when you don't want them to.

          Kerry in fact joined the Navy of his own free will (wasn't drafted), joined the PBR unit squadron knowing full well it was very dangerous duty, actually was in multiple firefights wherein he fought admirably and honorably.

          These are facts.

          Factually, he also testified in Congress against the disastrous war in Vietnam and was a blowhard and a self-promoter. THAT is why the GOP was able to get a bunch of Swift Boaters to say he was a bad guy… They felt he had been disloyal to them for admitting publically that their war was a mistake.

          • reader

            "They felt he had been disloyal to them for admitting publically that their war was a mistake."

            That's not what he did. He accused his fellow veterans of committing atrocities on mass scale. Obviously, you don't see the difference. So, you must be an idiot or a liar yourself.

          • EarlyBird

            They did commit atrocities. And no, Kerry never said "on a mass scale." So stop lying.

            But you help my case: surely, given Kerry's accusations, the Swift Boat veterans wanted to get back at him.

            Either way, it doesn't refute the idea that Kerry served in combat, honorably, in Vietnam. Nor does it support Captain Z1's repulsive slander against Hagel's honorable service.

          • reader

            "They did commit atrocities. And no, Kerry never said "on a mass scale." So stop lying."

            Actually, he did imply that the atrocities were committed on mass scale. He also never presented any evidence of any atrocities he cited. His witnesses turned out to be bogus. So, it is he and you who are the liars, jerk.

          • EarlyBird

            Golly! Some nit wit on a chat board called me a "jerk!" Well that settles that!

          • Drakken

            Once again you prove that you know exactly jack**t about anything you talk about, other than go around running your suck, telling the rest of us how dumb and racist we are, get bent libidiot.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            As real as Kerry's jawlocked upper-class Boston Brahmin affectation accent as he spoke to Congress?

            Swiftboat Veterans Ad on John Kerry – Sellout (2004)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phqOuEhg9yE

            Kerry is a FRAUD.

          • EarlyBird

            So, Kerry didn't really go into combat in Vietnam, is a "fraud," is anti-American, is anti-Israel, pro-terrorism, eats babies, and is the devil because he puts on an affected Brahmin Boston accent.

            Gotcha!

          • reader

            And yet you seem to be so upset about his fake accent that I'm beginning to wonder if you're not one of his wives he keeps changing to amass his considerable wealth.

          • EarlyBird

            No, Screw Up is the one who brought up and is disturbed by his accent. Pay attention.

          • reader

            I am. He did, and it did upset you more than anything else. Tou-chy, if I may say so (trying to say it with a fake accent).

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            EarlyTurd, You think that Kerrys affection was the way he really speaks? Since his appearance, does he speak like that now? When did he last speak in that stilted accent?

            EarlyTurd, you are a weak minded regressive "progressive".

          • Mary Sue

            So he joined as The Mole?

          • AnOrdinaryMan

            Kerry was "actually in multiple firefights wherein he fought admirably and honorably." Horse manure. HOW do YOU know this? Were you there? Name your sources. MY source is John O'Neill's book on the Swift Boat campaigns. In this book, O'Neill, a swift-boat vet who served in Vietnam with Kerry, says that Kerry participated in a grand total of TWO patrols in which his crew engaged the Viet Cong. Kerry spent nearly the entire time below deck, making drinks and writing in his diary. The Swift Boaters said Kerry was a bad guy, because in fact, he was.
            Had NOTHING to do with the GOP. By the way, genius, C-O-U-R-A-G-E-O-U-S is the way this word is spelled. Now, go look up what it means..

  • drivesguy

    And this buffoon want's to run the defense department? Obama was supposed to be soooooooooooooo smart. It seems he excels in picking ID10T'S for his staff.

    • Mary Sue

      Intelligence and Insanity are two different things.

  • Penny Haulman

    He is the presidents man: I vote 'Serial Liar' just like Obama

  • JacksonPearson

    Serial liars and tax cheats fit great in Obama's administration. Hell, even BenghaziGate Hillary Clinton talked and smiled her way through a congressional hearing, that the murdering of consulate members was okay.

  • EarlyBird

    First, nobody on this board gives a rat's a$$ about gays or gay rights, or sensitivity to gays, and in any other context would be cheering on Hagel's comments about Hormel.

    Secondly, the "Jewish lobby" is not only fitting, but was still in use by AIPAC itself around the time that Hagel used it. The very right wing Zionists opposing Hagel are the ones promoting a "Jewish state," an Israel for which Judaism, politics and law are interwoven. So the Israel Lobby IS the "Jewish lobby."

    What we are seeing is simply a show trial, USSR style, wherein Hagel is being bullied by Israel via its proxies in the US Congress.

    If you deny that there is a very powerful Israel Lobby, ask yourself then how 90% of all questions being asked of a potential US Sec. of Def are in regard to Israel and IT'S security, rather than that of the United States, when we still have troops in combat in Afghanistan, a rising China, a dangerous N. Korea and a crippling debt which requires serious and intelligent ways to cut our defense budget.

    • Mary Sue

      Maybe because Israel as a country is an Endangered Species, and Chuck Hagel is standing there with the shovel waiting to bury it after Egypt or Syria shoots it?

      • EarlyBird

        Oh that's right: Israel is the weakling in the Middle East, a little lamb surrounded by wolves. I keep forgetting that every threat to Israel is an existential one. I'll have to re-read my Israel First primer. Thanks for the reminder.

        • reader

          Yes, you're very cute. In the best traditions of cute people like this:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j44stVJMHAU

          • EarlyBird

            Good to know that truth can still get under your skin.

          • reader

            ja wohl, mein Fuhrer

          • Drakken

            Son, you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you, your I feel therefore I am as policy positions really do get rather tiresome, but keep up the good work Sparky. You almost forgot to call us racist, your slipping.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          EarlyTurd,

          Your Paleswinians, backed by 1.5 billion Mohammedeans and racist socialists, FAKE "anti-war" fascists are the weaklings, "starving" will BMI's over 25.

          EarlyTurd, You make it SO EASY.

          Happy Nakba!

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          EarlyTurd, Every time an American fills the gas tank of their car or truck, paid for with their AFTER TAX dollars, does Israel or Islamofascist OPEC get paid?

          • EarlyBird

            I'll bite: Islamofascists. And?… This is relevant because…?

            Bueller? Bueller?

          • Drakken

            I see you fell off that shortbus after licking the windows again Sparky, do try to keep up with the adults.

        • Mary Sue

          why are you so hostile to Israel? What has it ever done to you?

          • EarlyBird

            It's meddled in US foreign policy, presidential politics, and the selection of our US Secretary of Defense. It's taken billions of American dollars each year to subsidize its defense, all with no "thanks." That's why.

          • Drakken

            Son, if you knew anything about our foreign aid to Israel and the rest of the turd world you would know that Israel is a western ally with a sea of muslim savages that surround it who are not in any way shape or form on the same page as Israel, dumbazz.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Billions of AFTER TAX dollars go to OPEC for their overpriced oil.

          • Mary Sue

            Um, that's a whole lot of Who Shot John. What foreign Policy decisions did it meddle in in a manner that you can prove with direct evidence rather than rumor, conjecture, and outright falsehoods?

            So you're saying we should throw Israel Under The Bus because it costs the US money? That's it? Man you fair weather friend.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          EarlyTurd, We all know that you are upset that your side lost WW2, and that Israeli is not the unarmed Jew of WW2 national SOCIALIST filth infested Europe, but deal with it.

          Happy Eternal Nakba!

    • Ghostwriter

      To EarlyBirdbrain,Israel HAS no right to exist. It's only function on earth to be attacked by vicious savages that hate it. That and Jewish people's only function on earth is to be murdered by those same savages. EarlyBird supports those who hate America and her allies.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        EarlyTurd is just upset that his side LOST WW2.

  • American Patriot

    @EarlyBird. The thrust of the article is that Hagel is either a liar or unprincipled. I fail to see how your ad hominem attacks rebut any of the facts set forth in this article. Seems to me that he is in fact a liar given his propensity to say or do anything that will further his agenda. I suggest that you may find articles more to your liking at "Mother Jones" or "Counterpunch." So stop torturing yourself.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Those two socialist rags fell on hard times ever since alexander Cockburn and Bore Vidal went to their just reward in Hell.

    • EarlyBird

      I admit that Hagel is lying. The tragedy is that he is being brought to this kangaroo court and forced to lie, because now the litmus test for an American Secretary of Defense has become allegiance to defend Israel at all costs to the US.

      Hagel is not the first one to be put through this tragi-comedy; it's just that he's the first in recent memory to have shown a bit of independence in regard to Israel and American Middle East foreign policy.

      Does it not anger you that a would-be American Sec of Defense has to grovel for approval from Israel to be confirmed? Doesn't it bother you that while we have troops in harm's way, the "hearings" have far, FAR more to do with Israel's security than America's? It should.

      And the only ad hominem attack I've made is on the Israel Firsters, who are Americans who put Israel first. They deserve contempt.

      • reader

        "The tragedy is that he is being brought to this kangaroo court and forced to lie"

        This kangaroo court is required by the Constitution. I suppose, the founders were from the Israel First cabal too, genius.

        "And the only ad hominem attack I've made is on the Israel Firsters, who are Americans who put Israel first. They deserve contempt."

        Can you name them?

        • EarlyBird

          Horowitz, every one of his writers, all of AIPAC, most right wing "news" commentators, Fox, every "neo-con," etc., etc. Everybody who is convinced or tries to convince Americans that there should be "absolutely no daylight" between US and Israeli foreign policy.

          You're being used as a tool by Americans who put a foreign country ahead of your own.

          • American Patriot

            EarlyBird, your logic is profoundly faulty. If a proposed Secretary of Defense would make anti British or anti South Korean remarks, these would give rise for concern because we share integral defense ties with these nations and they are integral to our defense doctrines. Similarly, Israel is a strategic ally with whom we have vital military and intelligence ties. A DOD chief who tries to undermine relations between vital strategic allies necessarily undermines our defense and is not worthy to hold the post. Understand?

          • Jim_C

            Has either Early Bird or Chuck Hagel ever made ANTI-Israel remarks? Truly? I mean the kind where you don't have to be a mind reader, with divine insight into the "real" motives of soap opera characters, like so many here seem to be.

            "Jewish lobby"…sure, I get the sensitivity. But this is a white, over-60 Republican dude from Nebraska, and he wouldn't be the first to equate "Jewish" with "Israeli."

            You would have a point only if Israel wasn't the talking point of the majority of the exceedingly silly dog and pony show put on by the senate prior to confirming Hagel. The US and its defense entails a LOT more than Israel–but you'd never have known that from the hearings.

          • reader

            All the semanticsaside, when we consider those who endorse both Obama and Hagel, the way they treat Israelis and the way they treat sworn Israel's enemies, the preponderance of evidence is clear: both hate Israelis and both hate the Jews.

          • EarlyBird

            Israel most definitely IS an important ally to the United States. The intelligence we get from Israel is hugely important. The moral/political ties we have are vital. Hagel is not trying to undermine that relationship, nor is he anti-Israel.

            Israel wants the US to get into another war in the ME, this time against Iran, to finally finish off the only real threat to Israel that she has. Such an action would be literally ruinous to the United States. Hagel understands that and will block it. He is therefore hated by the Israel and the Israel First lobby.

          • American Patriot

            EarlyBird, First he advocates unilateral disarmament and then backtracks. Then he spews forth anti gay rhetoric and backtracks. Then he opposes Iran sanctions and now favors them. Then he says that the military option is "not feasible" and backtracks on that saying that what he meant to say was "not preferable." Forget the "Jewish Lobby" comment! He's flip-flopped on so many other issues, no one knows where the hell he stands. And let's face it, he looked like a dear in headlights out there. Totally clueless. C'mon, this is the best Bam could come up with?

          • EarlyBird

            I wish there WAS someone better than Hagel, but alas, no.

            It's Hagel's willingness to defy the "another war in the Middle East!" crowd, and ability to make smart defense budget cuts while keeping our military sharp, that makes him special and important, as both are Job #1 in these perilous fiscal times.

            To me, everything else is details. I don't like his flip-flopping, either. But our politics require that of him, and all such candidates have to play the game. It's a miracle we get any leaders of any value.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            McCain, a Republican and a Veteran and a former POW and a Patriot.

          • Mary Sue

            Um, NOT doing something about Iran is ruinous to THE ENTIRE WORLD.

          • reader

            I've already proved it numerous times that I know history better than you do. So, if I'm a tool, you must be a speck of dirt on a tire of a "progressive" hybrid going backwards.

          • EarlyBird

            Nah, you've actually directly disproven your grasp of history numerous times. You often get oh-so-close to the facts, but fail. Or, you get the facts but miss the point, e.g., your recent attempt to negate my contention that American support for Israel makes us hated by Islamists. You conflate every current "crisis" with Hitler in '39, and think you're a deep reader of history.

            But I'll give you this: you are the King of the Non-Sequitor.

          • reader

            Actually, you were the one to bring up Hitler and missed the target by a mile, because you are a complete ignoramus when it comes to history. I doubt that you even remember Zinn's nonsense that I'm sure you've been educated on.

          • Mary Sue

            He's relying on Howard Zinn? That explains a lot. Zinn was a complete hack.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            reader AKBAR!

          • Mary Sue

            and what's wrong with helping out Israel? How does it harm USA in any way?

            *ps, if you think NOT helping out Israel in ANY way would make us safer, you're delusional

          • EarlyBird

            Mary Sue,

            I am for a strong alliance with Israel. It is the right thing to do morally and strategically. It is not, however, "harmless" as in "without cost." There is the cost of 3+ billion dollars a year to Israel since '79, Israel being the biggest recipient of US foreign aide.

            But let's admit that our rightful alliance with Israel has made us especially loathed by the Islamist terrorist psychopaths, okay? It's the price one pays for doing the right thing, but its not "harmless" or without cost.

            My biggest beef? Israel wants us to knock off Iran for them, because it is the only real regional threat it faces. For the US to do so would literally ruin us. Israel knows this and doesn't care, and uses website like this to fire up and confuse good Americans like you.

          • American Patriot

            EarlyBird, you dont sound like a rabid hater like some of the other Hagel supporters and you seem fairly intelligent which is why I'm bothering to respond . Israel was going to do the job itself but someone within the White House leaked info about Israeli military bases in Azerbaijan which undermined Israeli military plans.

            Israel knocked out Iraq's nukes, knocked out Syria's nukes and just blew up a Syrian chemical and biological weapons plant before it could fall into the hands of the Hajis. What I'm getting at is that Israel was fully prepared and capable of taking care of business but Obama deliberately leaked Israeli preparations.

            As for Hagel, if he's capable of lying about so much in so little time, what else is he holding back from us?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            EarlyTurd must also be a Moron Paul fanboi.

          • Mary Sue

            Three billion dollars over a little over 30 years ain't so bad. Drop in the bucket. Obama spends that much when he sneezes. Certainly nothing to throw them under the bus for.

            And you've really stupid if you think that NOT supporting Israel will endear us to Arab/Muslim sociopathic Heads of State (or outright terrorists) in any meaningful way. Denial of Israel isn't a shield.

            BTW, I'm not American, I'm Canadian, and even CANADA has the good sense to know that Iran can't continue on like this. Iran has to GO. Tehran and all their mullahs NEED to glow in the dark. Not just for the sake of Israel, but for far more than that. Iran is a threat to the entire western world, which for some reason you don't recognize.

            Your second and third paragraphs completely contradict your first paragraph. Plus a dash of good ol' fashioned Conspiracy Theory for good measure. Read the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion lately or something?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            EarlyTurd, You are a tool of socialists who put a foreign Islamofascist ideology ahead of America.

            Keeping the US dependent on OPEC oil is bad for the US. That's why Obama is against the Keystone pipeline.

      • Drakken

        Son you are living proof that you just can't fix stupid, not even with duct tape. You are advocating for throwing Israel an ally I might add AGAIN for your benefit, under the bus for political expediency. to appease the muslim savages in the hope they won't hurt you, bloody pathetic.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Groveling? Why did Obama bow to the Saudi King?

        Obama Bows to Saudi King
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WlqW6UCeaY

  • John Reese

    Hagel did not misspeak when he said U.S. policy was containment rather than prevention of Iranian nukes. That is the true Obama policy and Hagel knew it. Which is why he said it. Impolitic, but true. Obama has been lying in his teeth all this time, claiming prevention as his policy. Hillary also mentioned containment several years ago in this same vein.

    • EarlyBird

      John, even many retired IDF generals admit that air strikes alone would do virtually nothing to derail the Iranian nuclear program, and that it would take a ground war to do any real damage. And THAT would require the full take over and occupation of Iran, which would make the Iraq project look small in comparision.

      We do know this: another long, bloody ground war – even if successful ultimately in derailing the nuclear program – would lead the US to fiscal and possibly military ruin.

      Is that worth it to you? Do we owe it to Israel to commit suicide to help her maintain her regional hegemony?

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        EarlyTurd, Appeasing Islamofascism does not work.

        9/11.

      • Mary Sue

        regional hegemony?

        BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!

        That's a good one! Got any more like that?

  • marios

    EarlyBird prefer Arabs Lobby which is much, much more powerful than AIPAC. While Jews were always loyal to country they are living Muslims in contrary in accordance with Koran use our democracy to build here Caliphate and first of all set up shariah law instead US Constitution. Israel destiny is our country destiny. Israel is only one US real ally in the ME. Islam is in war with us, As their leaders said repeatedly " Israel is small Satan, but US is big Satan". Hagel is opportunists and sure, Big Liar other ways why Obama choose him? He was ( and probably still is) on board of Company which had/have business with Iran. So Hagel is kind of anti-Semite despicable former Pres. Carter who brought ayatollah's to Power and now we have impeding threat of Iran with nuclear bomb. Democrap Carter toppled pro US and pro-Western Shah Pahlavi and Democrap Obama toppled pro-US, pro-Western Mubarak. All Obama candidates are actually enemy of our country as they will collaborate with Islamists who want destroy our country.

    • EarlyBird

      Mario, Israel is for sure America's only all in the Middle East, and they are an important ally. It is a badge of honor to the US for having been such a loyal backer of Israel, regardless of the hate this support has engendered around the world, especially amongst Islamist terrorists. They consider the US "big Satan" because we back the "little Satan," Israel.

      The shah was not toppled by Carter. Mubarak was not toppled by Obama. You are deeply misinformed.

      • reader

        "They consider the US "big Satan" because we back the "little Satan," Israel."

        This is another moronic notion. The entire history of the American support for Israel is turned on its head. The US offered its support to Israel only in the 60s and only after the USSR chose the Arabs in the height of the Cold War.

        • Jim_C

          It may be a moronic notion, but it is their notion…not Early Bird's.

          It's true our support for Israel did not kick off their distrust and disdain for us. But Israel provides the big excuse and when we really started to see the latent violence in Islam directed toward us and our interests was post 1960s, really. Yes, you could find events further back but you could say the 1970s solidified the "Satan" bit.

          • reader

            Yes, it's true, but… Yes, I could, but… I suggest that, if it's true and I could that the notion is moronic. It is not theirs. Their excuse is their tactics. So, just like appeasing Hitler did not help, appeasing Islamonazis would not help either. They are on record, but you refuse to educate yourself.

          • Jim_C

            Who said anything about appeasing Islamists?

        • EarlyBird

          "The US offered its support to Israel only in the 60s and only after the USSR chose the Arabs in the height of the Cold War."

          Okay, that's a nice non-sequitor. Not sure how that negates the fact that today we have a target on our back because of our backing of Israel.

          Arabs in alliance with the USSR in the '60s were leaders of governments with nationalist/political aims, not Islamist terrorists (or are you unable to differentiate between Arabs and Islamist terrorists?).

          Islamist terror as we know it today really only started coming about in the late '70s when Muslims simply gave up on trying to affect change by way of politics. Much like Christian fundamentalists here in the US flirt with secession from the nation and violent overthrow of the "guvmint!"

          • reader

            "Okay, that's a nice non-sequitor. Not sure how that negates the fact that today we have a target on our back because of our backing of Israel. "

            Here's the proof that you are an idiot: for all intents and purposes Jimmy Carter helped Islamic Revolution to topple the Shah. Did it help Jimmy Carter?

          • EarlyBird

            WTF?! ANOTHER non-sequitor. Hilarious!

            Do you agree or disagree that one of the major reasons we are hated by Islamist terrorists today is because of our support of Israel? Yes, or no?

            Try to stay on point this time.

          • reader

            Yes, I do. And if we let them destroy Israel, they will hate us as much, and they will be embolden much more. This exact scenario has played out with Hitler and the Iranian mullahs already. Non-sequitur? Hilarious indeed.

          • EarlyBird

            They are not going to destroy Israel, even if Iran gets the bomb. Stop letting this propaganda machine whip you into a frenzy.

          • reader

            Well, I wouldn't let you, Hagel or Obama be a judge of that. And that is what the Congress should be taking into consideration.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Tehran and Mecca are smaller than Israel.

          • EarlyBird

            Oh and Hitler wasn't around in '79. Too much Hitler.

          • reader

            Yes, and Hagel was not around in 39 – although, I suspect that he may have had a relative or two in Wehrmacht uniform, for all we know.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            SHlTler was around in '79.

            The ayatollah khomeni.

          • Mary Sue

            Islamists hate anything that isn't Muslim.

            I guess that means you'd better hurry up and become muslim! But wait! It better be the RIGHT KIND of muslim or they'll kill you for being an apostate!

            NO worm for you.

          • EarlyBird

            Carter distanced himself from the shah, a brutal tyrant and puppet of the US. That helped encourage an already-nascent revolution, which was made up of both Islamists and secularists, all who were united in their hatred for the shah. Islamists took over the revolution, ultimately.

            Understand this: Carter didn't "lose Iran." The US had already "lost" Iran, by way of our installment of a brutal and illegitimate dictator.

            If you would have preferred the US publically helped smash the Iranian revolution, say it, and take responsibility for your proposition. Realists know that even super powers aren't omnipotent and able to control everything everywhere.

          • Drakken

            Ok I will ! I proclaim that if idiot Carter didn't throw the Shah under the bus we wouldn't be dealing with the islamic filth we have to deal with today. And! My Barracks and our embassies in Beirut would not have been blown up by irainian proxies hezzbollah! There happy now? ! You may have a short memory, but I don't.

          • Jim_C

            Yes, and Reagan really righted that situation didn't he?

            Oh, that's right–he didn't do anything about that. And sold arms to Iran, to boot.

            But no, you'll go off on Carter and be mum about Reagan. That's called "lack of principles."

          • Mary Sue

            Oh and the Mullahs that are in power currently AREN'T brutal dictators? What fantasy land are YOU living in?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            No, Dhimmi Carter lost to Ronald Reagan.

            As soon as Reagan was sworn in , the Islamofascist Regime released the US Embassy hostages.

          • Jim_C

            And attacked the Marine barracks. And bought arms from Reagan.

          • Mary Sue

            A target on my back for supporting Israel is one I wear proudly.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            EaryTurd, Islamofascism puts a target on everyones back.

            Even fellow Muslims, the wrong kind of Muslim are targets.

            Everytime one is a passenger, they and their luggage are screened at a checkpoint, to prevent another Islamofascist 9/11, Pan Am 103.

            That is Islamofascism.

      • Drakken

        Your understanding of geo politics is absoeffinglutely mind boggling in it's completely false narrative and false and completely wrong conclusions, Holy dumbazz batman!

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        After 30+ years under the yoke of the ayatollahs, the shah doesn't look so bad.

        The Islamofascist Regime of Iran, in true Islamofascist mode, kill any domestic opposition.

        Hagels and Moron Pauls Achilles Heel is their being soft on the Islamofascist Regime.

    • Jim_C

      Do you really think the "Arab" lobby is more powerful that AIPAC? Israel is not only an important ally, but Jewish people are an integral part of our American culture and Western history. In terms of influence, they are, rightly, far more influential.

      But oil money does talk, and the Saudis are also a huge defense industry client. But that is a relationship based more on the flow of capital–"skin deep," if you will.

      • reader

        Yes, simply because they out spend the Jews by a wide margin – not only in politics, but in the universities, where the morons like earlybird are fostered en mass.

        • Drakken

          It is quite obvious that sh++bird was indoctrinated by these propaganda centers. Who woulda thunk it??

  • pierce

    At this point in Hagel's career he would not even make a good dog catcher, and Obama wants him to be Secretary of Defense. Don't make me laugh.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      hagel can always get a show on Al Gorezerra, PressTV or MSNBC.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Hagel should get a show on Al Gorezerra or PressTV shilling for the Islamofascist regime,.

  • http://obaidkarki.blogspot.com cloture

    Another way to say sorry. John McCain who’s cleared the way for Chuck Hagel to be next Secretary of Defense. “I do not believe that we should filibuster,” McCain told POLITICO. “To vote against is entirely the judgment of each individual senator, but filibuster I think would be inappropriate.” Chuck Hagel's Bizarre out of the ordinary Eight hours Hearings of bloviating, grandstanding and browbeating. In fact, not enough time for serious deliberation over key policy questions. For instance In a hearing transcript running to nearly 60,000 words, the word "DRONE" doesn't show up even once. Mitch McConnell Vulnerable Filibuster contempt flagged

    • American Patriot

      If he doesn't comply with financial disclosure and other info requested of him by the committee, there won't be a need for filibuster because the committee will indefinitely postpone its recommendation until compliance is forthcoming.

      Breitbart reports that he refuses to comply because some of his funding came from an organization called "Friends of Hamas." If that's the case, his nomination is toast and someone at the vetting office will be fired.