A Scandal Bigger Than Benghazi?

Extortion-17In a story that has remained largely under the mainstream media radar, Congress announced late last month that it would finally investigate the Aug. 6, 2011 helicopter crash in Afghanistan that resulted in 38 deaths, including 22 members of SEAL Team 6, made famous three months earlier when they killed Osama Bin Laden. Grieving family members insist that soldiers in the elite unit were placed in unnecessary danger by the recklessness of the Obama administration, whose actions they characterized as criminal. “We’re going to dive into this,” said Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee on National Security.

The families of the slain soldiers have every right to be furious. SEAL Team 6 is a covert unit whose operations are ostensibly classified. As a result, it has never been revealed which members of the team were involved in the killing of the terrorist mastermind, or how many of those same men were among those killed when the Chinook helicopter in which they were traveling was shot down by Taliban terrorists.

The focus of the families’ fury and shock, along with that of SEAL Team 6 members themselves, was the administration’s desire to tout their success in killing Bin Laden — compromising the safety of the unit in the process. Only two days after the raid, Vice President Biden gave a speech at the Ritz Carlton hotel in Washington, D.C. “Let me briefly acknowledge tonight’s distinguished honorees: Adm. Jim Stavridis is a — is the real deal; he could tell you more about and understands the incredible, the phenomenal, the just almost unbelievable capacity of his Navy SEALS and what they did last — last Sunday,” Mr. Biden revealed to audience members gathered for the 50th anniversary of the Atlantic Council, an international affairs think tank.

What followed was a testament to Biden’s disturbing ability to speak before thinking. “And what was even more extraordinary was — and I’m sure former administration officials will appreciate this more than anyone — there was such an absolute, overwhelming desire to accomplish this mission that although for over several months we were in the process of planning it, and there were as many as 16 members of Congress who were briefed on it, not a single, solitary thing leaked. I find that absolutely amazing,” Biden added, apparently oblivious to the reality that he had just perpetrated one of the more egregious leaks of national security information in recent history.

As a result, SEAL Team 6 members realized they had a target painted on their backs. That reality was hammered home in a May 10, 2013 Fox News interview with Karen and Billy Vaughn, whose son Aaron was killed in the chopper crash. Karen spoke first. “As soon as Joe Biden announced that it was a SEAL Team who took out Bin Laden, within 24 hours, my son called me and I rarely ever heard him sound afraid in his adult life….He said, ‘Mom, you need to wipe your social media clean…your life is in danger, our lives are in danger, so clean it up right now’,” she revealed.

Billy Vaughn took on Biden in no uncertain terms. “The media has let this man get away with saying ‘Uncle Joe’s gaffes, Uncle Joe’s gaffes,” he fumed. “This is not Uncle Joe and he’s not some senile old grandfather. He is the second in command of the most powerful country in the world and he needs to take responsibility for the comments he makes and quit being given a pass.”

Charles Strange, the father of slain SEAL Michael Strange, was also furious. During a family conference with reporters at the National Press Club in Washington a day earlier, Strange recounted his exchange with President Obama at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware on Aug. 9, 2011. Strange noted that, despite Obama saying he would look “very, very, very deep into this,” he never heard from the president again. In an exchange with radio host Michael Savage last month, Strange took it one step further. He claimed his son told him, “Something’s going on with the team. Somebody’s leaking things out. Something’s going on.” Savage asked: “Your son knew he was being sent to his death?” Strange’s response was chilling. “They knew,” he answered. “They knew something was up. Every one of them.”

The military has provided more than 1,000 pages of documentation to the parents. Those documents contain the Defense Department’s assertion that they don’t believe the  SEALs were targeted following the Bin Laden operation. Moreover in a transcript, a Defense Department official disputes the families’ assertion that the helicopter was brought down by an “established ambush,” contending it was “a lucky shot of a low-level fighter” who “happened to be in the right spot.”

The families aren’t buying that assessment, and they are extremely troubled by other questions surrounding the case as well. Of the 38 people killed in the crash, seven were members of the Afghan National Army. They were replaced at the last minute by other Afghan military officials who were not on the flight manifest, raising the possibility the replacements were Taliban infiltrators.

The military claimed that when the CH-47 Chinook helicopter was shot down, the bodies were badly burned and had to be cremated. Charles Strange believes the military is lying. “I saw Mike’s dead body,” he said in an interview. “It was clearly recognizable. He was clutching his gun. He wasn’t burned to a crisp. Why did they cremate my boy? They didn’t need to do that. Something’s not right.” Rep. Chaffetz, who said he saw a photo of a deceased SEAL, echoed that assertion. “The body I saw didn’t need to be cremated,” he said.

The military claims the helicopter’s black box was never recovered because it was washed away in a flash flood. Yet flash floods in that area of Afghanistan are extremely rare.

Furthermore, the families want to know why their sons were flown into a hot combat zone in a helicopter made in the 1960s. They want to know why such a large group of SEALS was put on a single aircraft and why no aerial backup was deployed, which is standard military procedure when special forces are involved. And they want to know why, during a funeral ceremony held at Bagram Air Base in Kabul, a Muslim cleric was allowed to recite a prayer condemning the American “infidels” to eternal damnation.

Yet perhaps the most damnable reality of all was revealed by Karen Vaughn at the aforementioned National Press Club meeting. “Why was there no pre-assault fire? We were told as families that pre-assault fire damages our effort to win the hearts and minds of our enemy,” she told reporters. “So in other words, the hearts and minds of our enemy are more valuable to this government than my son’s blood.”

This was not the first time the Vaughn family has challenged the so-called Rules of Engagement (ROE) that make a mockery of American soldiers’ ability to conduct effective warfare. Three days after Benghazi, they were among several Gold Star families of servicemen lost in combat who held a press conference on the subject. It was there the Vaughns made it known that after their son’s helicopter went down, air support refused to fire on the enemy because there might have been “friendlies” in the building. The ROE required the military present at the operation to stand down as a result. Billy Vaughn was incensed. “Our military men go to war because they love what is behind them more than they hate what is in front of them,” he said at the time. “The least the government can do is give them the tools and the proper equipment and ROE that favor our warriors more than they favor our enemy.”

The least the government can do at the present time is conduct a thorough investigation into the the largest loss of life in a single day since the U.S. involvement in Afghanistan began. Freedom Watch is assisting some of the families of the deceased. Founder Larry Klayman minced no words regarding what he thinks about this tragedy. “This is a scandal even greater than Benghazi,” he said. “There we lost four valued American lives; here we sacrificed 30 American soldiers. The big question is were these brave Americans sold out by the Afghani government as payment to the Taliban for the death of bin Laden?”

Perhaps a bigger question is why the Obama administration can get away with the monumental hypocrisy of being the administration that has prosecuted more leakers than any other, while Joe Biden gets a pass. Republicans need to find answers to the many questions above. Our troops and their families deserve nothing less than a full accounting of this tragic incident.

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  • AlexanderGofen

    Thank you Mr. Ahlert for this dramatic report. Better later than never. Your expression “a story that has remained largely under the mainstream media radar” is a New-speech for “Suppressed by the media”: Only Michael Savage and wnd.com reported about it promptly. The suppression by the media takes place in regard to all criminal aspects of this illegitimate government. This is already a totalitarian nation (meanwhile without the appropriate tools)…

    As to the so called “Rules of Engagement”, not only do they make a mockery of American soldiers’ ability to conduct effective warfare, but they are merely suicidal and treasonous in its nature. They are designed in favor of our islamic enemies – something unprecedented in history of warfare. How the middle level commanders (whose duty is to enforce such “rules” in the field”) can look into the face of their soldiers? Or look onto themselves in the mirror?

    You wrote: “Republicans need to find answers to the many questions above”… You mean they are … the opposition, therefore they need… I am speechless! You are kidding, are you?.. Better see: http://www.resonoelusono.com/HarshLetterToMembers.htm

    Opposition? Which opposition? The opposition ceased to exist since 1933 when America established diplomatic relations with the hell on earth, the USSR under Stalin. And the rest is history…

  • Chez

    When these reports first started coming in, I dismissed them as the remonstrations of grieving parents. As time goes on and more information comes out, it has become pretty obvious that this wreaks of scandal and worse, from the insertion of Afghan nationals not on the flight manifest to the bizarre burial circumstances….and everything in between. This is the kind of thing that can suck the life out of a nation’s patriotism.

    • BadWhisky

      It reeks of treason at the highest levels of our government….

      • truebearing

        And the smell of treason is singular and unmistakable. It is Obama’s cologne.

        • ziggy zoggy

          It’s his vagina.

      • Bigearsbarry

        Including the five-sided puzzle palace. I cannot believe that the military would sell their soul for this bast….

  • Joe

    I wonder if they have been sacrificed as blood money for the killing of Binladen.

  • Veracious_one

    they want to know why, during a funeral ceremony held at Bagram Air Base
    in Kabul, a Muslim cleric was allowed to recite a prayer condemning the
    American “infidels” to eternal damnation.

    This was disgraceful act was authorized by the Obama administration….

    • mcbee555

      I’m being really serious about a question I’ve had and cannot receive a qualified answer to it. That question has to do with the cremation of those Seals’ bodies and a Muslim prayer to their damnation. I believe there had to be an insidious reason for a Muslim cleric to have been appointed to project his type of prayer. To my knowledge, all the bodies returned to Dover AFB were non-Muslims.
      Is cremation of the dead part of the ceremony for damnation via procedures possibly described in the Koran? In other words, is cremation unacceptable in the Islamic faith, therefore damning the cremated?

      • Sara B

        Islam strictly forbids creamation. Any islamic site dealing with muslim deaths will expound on this.

        • mcbee555

          Thank you, both Anthony Wilkes and Sara B. I cannot help but feel this entire debacle was, and I used the word, insidious. It was a settled price paid to terroristic enemies for VP Biden’s stupid, big mouth, bragging what he knew that Seal Team 6 made the raid on Obama and killed him.
          Then, this regime’s appeasing had to “compensate” the terrorists with the team’s lives. The cover-up afterward was as clumsy as could be.
          The finishing touch was the Muslim cleric presiding over the remains delivered to Dover AFB and conducting a damnation “prayer.” A final Muslim insult that some people in government had to know of before hand.

      • Anthony Wilkes

        Yes, yes it is.

      • BadWhisky

        There is a certain method/ritual and time limit which the Muslims adhere to based upon their beliefs, although I cannot attest to this being the reason for the cremation it is certainly as good a reason as any. Remember when they drug the burnt corpses through the streets after hanging them from the bridge? I suspect a far sinister reason such as covering up murder, think about this if the Afghanis on board were Taliban (martyring themselves was well within their belief system) they were put there by a US official or at very least one knew about it, they were there to insure everyone on the aircraft was dead (probably before it hit the ground), No black-box (those contain transponders to make them findable) and no Bodies equal no evidence. Bin Laden was avenged. The thing the Muslims do not understand is the Christian belief in the eternal soul, if you defile my body it will not matter to me, I am not there any longer; It will piss off the living though, My question is how long will the living allow the current administration to continue this shameful game.

        • mcbee555

          Thanks, we’re of the same mind. What I didn’t surely know was Muslim attitude towards cremation, but in the case of considered enemies of Islam, Muslim thought processes would have wanted their satisfaction of a Muslim cleric pronouncing damnation upon our dead, and that was allowed. Allowing Islam such latitude is a criminal act against those non-Muslim American servicemen. A Muslim cleric would not have done his damnation prayer to Muslims considered martyrs. Plus, there are people in the Regime, who were hitherto questionably loyal to United States, who are definitely guilty of consorting with the enemy to enable their revenge against men who were supposed to be under orders from a Commander in Chief. I know of no other such event in American history. Benedict Arnold looks like a choirboy next to traitors in top levels of the American government.
          America sleeps on…..

      • dick mullert

        the insidious reason is a muslim president that is more concerned for the feelings of his religious followers that the lives of our countrymen. for a government that advocates separation of church and state they practice hypocracy on the side of the enemy. I am almost ashamed to be an American today in a country that does not support its own people first.

  • truebearing

    Flash flood? Let’s check the weather records and satellite maps. What could be easier? Of course, we already know it’s pure BS, but proving it may wake up a few more Americans.
    It is a mistake to classify this scandal as separate from Benghazi. It is yet another incident that fits Obama’s overall and comprehensive pattern of betraying America. It is another episode that evinces the anti-American animus that pervades Obama’s entire agenda. The biggest scandal is that we have a president who wants to destroy this country, and it is well past the time people should be thinking big when it comes to Obama’s treachery. The evidence is mounting, but Obama is still grinning. He thinks his coup is too big to fail.
    That Obama would hang these SEALS out to dry won’t surprise anyone who has the clarity to see his loyalty to Islam. Look at how he hung Ambassador Stevens out to dry, allowing him and those who defended him, to be assassinated by Al Queda….while he was funneling weapons to the Islamists. After Al Queda killed Stevens, Obama didn’t bother to retaliate, but instead, perpetrated a ridiculous ruse on the American people about an amatuer video being the cause and spontaneous rioters being the culprits. He then continued to supply yet more weapons to Al Queda. Are those the actions of an American Commander-In-Chief, sworn to protect ALL Americans and our sovereign territory? Maybe it was a reward to his favorite fighting force…Al Queda, the reportedly “decimated” ones.

    • John

      Ya… flash flood.. right.. Airplanes crash in the ocean & black boxes are retrieved.. I said right from the first report, that this was a cover up!

    • CaptainCurmudgeon

      Mr.Strange, Seal Michael’s father, told there are in fact 2 black boxes on those craft…and the “black boxes” are orange.

      He also said the Seals did not die in the crash but were engaged in fighting on the ground and his son’s picture showed his gun in his hand.

      Further backup was not allowed to give cover to the Seals, though they could have.

      Mr. Strange also told his son was insistent for the first time on writing a will because the men knew they were being outed.

      Obama would not and did not make the decision to get Bin Laden. It has been reported neither he nor Valerie Jarret were told in advance. If Bin Laden was a operation from Panetta and Brennan, it is suspect one being a Mulim the other a communist.

      Initially, after the Bin Laden kill it was reported it was actually his equally tall son Hamzi that was killed. Hamzi was never seen again from that time. It was also written by another Seal in “No Easy Day” that the Seals were amazed Bin Laden was so youthful and strong with thick

      • CaptainCurmudgeon

        Cont

        Dark hair…unusual for a man on dialysis for 10 years …not believable.

        Perhaps that Seal author who left the service immediately knew what others suspected and let out hints via his unauthorised book that the Pentagon went ballistic over…

        It remains curious that these seals and those murdered in Benghazi were all cremated before coming home…where evidence has been hidden or lost.

        • truebearing

          Yes, and Bin Laden HAD to buried at sea, where no one could ever prove his identity.

          All evidence has to be destroyed so the coup can progress as far as possible before the majority of people figure it out. Eventually it will be outed, but the question is: will Obama have enough consolidated power to complete the final phase of his Gramscian-turned- Islamic coup, or will enough of our military, and the citizens, fight back to stop it?

          We may see some strange bedfellows in the battle against Obama once KevorkianCare is fully underway. The unions have finally figured out that he played them for fools, and he has made it clear now that his loyalty is more to the Islamists than the true Left. Some have figured out that he is betraying them, too.

          Obama is part of what I call the “criminal Left,” as opposed to the ideological Left, or true believers. The criminal Left doesn’t really believe all of the ideological nonsense of Marxism, but clearly sees and pursues the opportunity for totalitarian power that it can deliver. He is using the Left to further his Muslim agenda — a mix of hate for capitalists, whites, Jews, and Christians, and strong support for radical Islam. He may well fantasize ruling the entire planet under an Islamic caliphate — his ego has no limits, and as we all know, ego unbridled is evil — but he definitely wants Islam to rule.
          In the end, Obama’s presidency will be judged responsible for the grave situations the world will face. By “fundamentally transforming America,” he has fundamentally destabilized the world and opened the gates of Islamist hell…..the only gates Islam has.

      • retired47pilot

        Just to clear up one problem with this report, there are no flight recorders or “black boxes” on a CH47D helicopter.

        • smallzy22

          If that is the case, why did military personnel say the boxes were “washed away in a flash flood?” Why not just say, “there were no black boxes aboard?”

  • SoCalMike

    I fear Republicans are far too cowardly to really connect this to Obama and Biden.
    At least parasite cowards Boehner, McConnel and Manchurian McCain will run interference for Obama and the left selling us out.
    We need to find and elect fighters willing to take hits and dish out harder hits.

    • Flitandersen_99

      Look for the politicians Rove seeks to destroy. THOSE are the ones WE want!

      • Joe_USA

        I really do not like Rove, he is irritating.

    • Hoss

      I totally agree, Mike. Look at all the “phony scandals” the Republicans
      have to look at. One might think that Obama initiates the scandals
      in order to overload the Republicans so that nothing get accomplished.
      My guess is that this scandal, along with the rest will fade away with
      nothing to come of them as the gutless Rhinos are afraid to
      offend anyone.

      • dick mullert

        I am starting to think that maybe it is time to eliminate the democrat and republican parties and resort to an in between group to run this country. it has been obvious for years that the two that have ruled are the most inept and stupid people that walk the earth. if it were possible to eliminate them all from their office right now, who would we replace them with? that is just as scary.

    • DvoraChesed

      Don’t forget Cantor.

    • oldfatguy

      It might be more than cowardice that’s driving Congress to bend over for the administration. The NSA spying apparently isn’t new–it just came to light for the average person. Maybe NSA has gathered so much damning information on elected officials who are more frightened of being exposed to their voter base for their extracurricular activities, that they are being effectively blackmailed by Obama into inaction. It worked for J. Edgar Hoover…

  • J Simson

    What else can you expect with a Muslim President?

    • sailor12

      You are an idiot

      • dennodog

        you are a LOOM….like in FRUIT of the loom…..

      • GreatGrany5

        If you believe J Simson is an idiot, you are too young to be noticed! Read Obama’s book and see where he has declared that if it ever came to choosing between believers, he would always side on the Muslim. Never has recanted that statement and every action he has taken has proven he meant what he said. Egypt is a glaring example. Muslim Brotherhood over the Egyptian population.

  • canalway

    Joe Biden has done more damage to national intell than a hundred Edward Snowdens

    • sailor12

      Yeah right

  • Skeptic7

    I watched all 2 hours of the press conference. The men knew something was up when they were home with their families before their deaths. It’s very creepy. Bodies were cremated when they didn’t have to be. One of the father’s spoke of his outrage over his son’s body being cremated and was told that it had been too badly burned. He said that was a lie because he had a photo of the body. The general he was being lectured by was shocked and asked who sent him the photo of the body? The medical examiner took the photo and sent it to the parents. So there was supposed to be this big fiery crash and yet his son’s body was intact and did not need to be cremated. Lie, after lie, after lie. And the military has been aggressively trying to shut them up. Stinks to high heaven.

    • CaptainCurmudgeon

      Creation is a Muslim sign of disrespect…signifying Allah damning one to the fires of hell. It is a sign of disrespect.
      “Muslims do not cremate the deceased because burning the body an act of disrespect and dishonour.

      Furthermore, fire is the Punishment of Allah for those who are in the hellfire, may Allah protect us.

      The funeral rites in Islam are to give honour and respect to the deceased such as washing the body, putting perfume on it and shrouding it in white.”

  • adumbrate

    What gets me fuming is Paul Ryan, anointed “smart” by media and conservatives got clobbered by Joe Biden. SEAL Team 6 did not even come up. It’s Romney/Ryan urrg! Seems to me, newt would have been all over it – accountability is what he did as speaker. We nominated a couple of weak spinner losers = these boys died in vain.

    • William James Ward

      Murder, it was murder………………William

  • ML NJ

    Few will understand this latest scandal any more than they understood Benghazi. It is just noise that will confuse.

    Everyone understands birth certificates and fraudulent documents. This is all that should be discussed about this bunko artist until he is driven from office.

  • RogerDane

    Unfortunately the ignorant electorate, once cautioned of by Jefferson, is paramount and votes their iPhones and consumerism… distracted and inept, they will never grasp totalitarianism and that is where we are headed! Firing squads should be busy… but treason is just another cause de jour these days.

  • http://www.theablepatriot.com/ TheAblePatriot

    This story (sad and disgusting as it is) is the “status quo” for the Obama Administration. The Republicans are running around like scared dogs who have had hot water thrown on them! If they weren’t scared, this story would be on the front page of every newspaper in this nation and would be the lead-in on all the major networks. As a registered American and as a Patriot who swore to support and defend the Constitution until my dying breath, I am BEYOND ready to end our current political tyranny. American FREEDOM is more powerful that the RNC or DNC combined! Carry on…

    • Kcirtap

      The most unbiased, truthful post I’ve read yet. Dead on.

      • sailor12

        It’s CRAP

        • ziggy zoggy

          Is that why you eat it up?

    • dick mullert

      AMEN brother, I am with you all the way…..

  • Fred234

    0bama traded Seal Team 6 for something. Not sure what but you can bet it was politics. Why is Congress covering up who 0bama is? Why is the media doing the same thing? I’m sure the military knows who 0bama is. Why is this not brought forward so 0bama can be removed from office? Is our gov’t so corrupt that they cannot do the right thing?

    • William James Ward

      Yes!……………William

    • dick mullert

      I am afraid that once the word is officially out about Obama and we verify his foreign birth that some idiot will push through a constitutional change to allow it since a precedence has been set. we need to get this man out of the presidency and show the world that we have been duped and try to clean up our act. we have lost all respect from other countries.

  • chicodon

    I wonder if Obama and Biden are hearing footsteps in the hall yet?

    • William James Ward

      Those footsteps could be Osama Bin Laden’s, he
      is living in the White House, it owns him……….William

    • Infidel4Ever

      I doubt it. If the long list of 0Bama scandals isn’t enough to rile up the American public, I doubt they will look up from updating their stupid Facebook profiles to care about The-Traitor-In-Chief.

  • rennyangel2

    This is also why you know the NSA krap is to spy on us and has little to do with national security. If this admin. was really curtailing or “stopping” dozens of terror attacks with NSA surveillance, they would be blabbing like they did on the death of Ben Laden, giving classified info to some friendly movie maker, and blowing our protocols out of the water: it would be on tv, the obozo would be holding press conferences ad infinitum, and the boasting and bragging would be endless.

    The admin. wanted these brave soldiers killed so they would leave no taped or written record of the Ben Laden kill.

    • The Right Fight

      Wait for the movie … a plot to kill off all evidence of something.

      That would be a good topic for Micheal Moore … oops, I forgot, he only fabricates liberal propaganda.

      • Joe_USA

        I wish that I had the money to make a film about the Navy Seals 6 team. I wish that everybody knew that obama caused, or allowed this killing. There is a lot of blood on obama’s hands.

  • psands58

    why 2 years later are there still no answers why Joe Biden made public it was seal team 6 who killed Bin Laden and why was information leaked from Obama and Biden administration? America wants answers, especially families of the 30 seal team 6 members crew killed! why? WE WANT ANSWES NOW, SEAL TEAM 6 NEVER FORGOTTEN!!! praying for the families and for answers!

    • Coy860

      The bodies were cremated because the SEALS would have written on their hand, arm, however they could onservations of the current attack/situation, knowing that even after death, they could provide information.

      • CaptainCurmudgeon

        Or they were tortured as Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith were in Benghazi

        • CaptainCurmudgeon

          CaptainCurmudgeon truebearing • 36 minutes ago −
          Mr.Strange, Seal Michael’s father, told there are in fact 2 black boxes on those craft…and the “black boxes” are orange.

          He also said the Seals did not die in the crash but were engaged in fighting on the ground and his son’s picture showed his gun in his hand.

          Further backup was not allowed to give cover to the Seals, though they could have.

          Mr. Strange also told his son was insistent for the first time on writing a will because the men knew they were being outed.

          Obama would not and did not make the decision to get Bin Laden. It has been reported neither he nor Valerie Jarret were told in advance. If Bin Laden was a operation from Panetta and Brennan, it is suspect one being a Mulim the other a communist.

          Initially, after the Bin Laden kill it was reported it was actually his equally tall son Hamzi that was killed. Hamzi was never seen again from that time. It was also written by another Seal in “No Easy Day” that the Seals were amazed Bin Laden was so youthful and strong with thick
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          CaptainCurmudgeon CaptainCurmudgeon • 31 minutes ago −
          Cont

          Dark hair…unusual for a man on dialysis for 10 years …not believable.

          Perhaps that Seal author who left the service immediately knew what others suspected and let out hints via his unauthorised book that the Pentagon went ballistic over…

          It remains curious that these seals and those murdered in Benghazi were all cremated before coming home…where evidence has been hidden or lost.

          • http://www.undertherainbow.us Ralyn Speerly Schraceo

            “Seals did not die in the crash but were engaged in fighting on the ground and his son’s picture showed his gun in his hand.” I’m going to have to guess you never served in the military. He would have been holding his gun in the chopper also, you NEVER lay your weapon down during maneuvers.

          • CaptainCurmudgeon

            I’m going to guess the medic who gave Mr. Strange the illegal pic of his son and that info knew what he was talking about …and did that because he too knew they were set up. The known LIARS are those in the Obama administration and their minions. The administration was enraged he had been informed and had that pic…I believe Mr. Strange is seeking the truth. The USA does not, has never, sent Seals in that number in a jollopy of an 1960’s aircraft and NEVER with a National Guard pilot and no cover. While they may not give a shit about their lives… they typically do care about the costs associated with a Seal of that caliber and the magnitude of investment in those many Seals.

          • Ken

            I would suspect that a helicopter crash would likely dislodge your weapon from your hands!

        • sailor12

          The ambassador was not tortured you moron

          • ziggy zoggy

            Being sodomized with steel bars may be fun for you it is considered torture by normal people.

      • CaptainCurmudgeon

        Cremation is a sign of disrespect…a sign of Allah damning one to the fires of hell.

        So who ordered our Seals cremated and an Iman praying over their dead cremated bodies..telling the “Infidels they were being damned to hell..and deserved just that.

  • Veracious_one

    Of the 38 people killed in the crash, seven were members of the Afghan
    National Army. They were replaced at the last minute by other Afghan
    military officials who were not on the flight manifest, raising the
    possibility the replacements were Taliban infiltrators.

    What if these last minute Muslim replacements were Taliban..It’s probable they opened fire on the Americans while in flight.causing the helicopter to crash. It’s also probable the Americans were sacrificed to satisfy the Muslim demand for revenge of the successful Bin-Laden raid…Remember how the Muslims were so embarrassed to be discovered to be hiding Bin-Laden?. Remember too how Bin=Laden always was able to escape every time we had him cornered? It’s probable our Afghan allies kept him informed of our plans allowing him advance notice and giving him time to escape.

    Obama sold out the Americans to appease the Muslim demands for blood…One of the tragedies of the war in Afghanistan is that our allies are in reality supporting our enemies..And we just keep appeasing them…WE should close the purse strings and bring our heroes home..WE should also ban Muslim immigration…Nothing good ever comes from Islam.

    • CaptainCurmudgeon

      Perhaps it is our White House

  • higgy01

    The government is seeking Snowden for his breech of classified information yet Biden and Obama walk free after revealing even more highly classified info. What they did to enhance their own egos was worse than what both Manning and Snowden did. Why aren’t they both in front of a military court answering for their criminal acts. What is worse is this is not the first time either Biden or Obama have made public classified information just to stroke their egos and/or help their political intentions.

    • The Right Fight

      Including the unnecessary disclosure that we knew of the recent al-Qaida threat because we had monitored their conference calls.

      That was pretty dumb.

      If Snowden gave generic capability, that “conference call” comment gave detailed, specific, and actionable intelligence –> “that thing that you just did … it didn’t work out so well, so don’t be foolish enough to do it again”.

      DUH … !!!

      Who is worse, Obama or the one’s he claims are “leakers”?

    • http://www.undertherainbow.us Ralyn Speerly Schraceo

      Snowden did not tell us anything that a lot of us didn’t already know, he simply provided the proof. Manning should not have revealed a few things, but he also caught them in and revealed govt corruption. When whistle-blowers are hunted down for treason – we are ruled by criminals.

  • William James Ward

    Cover-up is and epidemic in the Obama regime, the circumstances
    point to a set up and complicity by at present unknown Islamist
    agents in our Defense establishment. Could it be Obama helped
    to bring this about intentionally, suspicion must fall on him. The
    possibility of Republicans doing anything concrete and being
    successful to get to the bottom of this outrage is unlikely considering
    their track record of continuous failure and complicity with the
    Democrats in debasing all aspects of American life, law, truth and
    honesty…………………………William

  • CheriCAL

    Wow, it’s a good thing that the Alaskan Snowbilly Palin isn’t the VP isn’t it? She is sooooo dumb and doesn’t have any foreign policy experience said the media, hollywood, and the left chattering classes.
    My dog would represent the US better than Biden and wouldn’t drool as much.
    This administration has been and will continue to be a cancer on our country and they must be stopped at every turn. I agree with those of you who know the urgency of electing TRUE patriots such as Cruz, Lee, Chaffetz, etc. and let’s bounce the rinos McCain, Graham, McConnell, Boehner, etc. out.

  • Bert

    Back in the 2008 election campaign it was already obvious that Obama’s loyalty to America was in question and that he seemed far too friendly to Islamic radicals. This scandal, and all the others, display a pattern of Obama’s treason towards America and especially to our military. The Republicans are moving far to slowly and allowing time for Obama to erase evidence, to lie and for the media to write their fake account. I fear that Obama may yet escape accountability for his crimes which means he will continue act even more boldly in his haste to bring down America and betray our allies.

  • The Mad Jewess

    Nothing happened re. justice for the Seal T 6. Nothing for Fast n furious, nothing for Benghazi–all manufactured issues from the right wing.
    Thats what the left believes.

    • The Right Fight

      As the Liberal-in-Chief said … they proclaim that these are “phony scandals”, so there should be no need to investigate anything “phony” (i.e., manufactured).

      To argue against that, one first must argue against the charge of “phony” … which is a distraction from the real issue being charged (the scandalous event under question).

      The correct answer, I think, is … “If it’s phony, then a quick and thorough investigation will prove that conclusively and the matter will be finalized.

      So, when do we start laying out all the facts and examining the allegations?”

      The result can only be a cover up, for who can claim that a quick and conclusive investigation is such a bad thing?

  • iamsaved2

    Would anyone be surprised if it wasn’t just pure incompetence and politics as usual with this administration? Who knows, maybe they wanted Seal Team 6 silenced in order for them to not expose the real story about getting Osama Bin Laden. That would ruin Obama’s narrative and place in history.
    With any other administration, no one would even dream of such a thing. With this Chicago style corruption, anything is possible. Ever think the IRS would be used to target political enemies? Or that Americans allowed to be killed in order to cover up incompetence/corruption in Benghazi and illegal arms running like in Fast and Furious?

    • sailor12

      You are as dumb as George Bush

      • ziggy zoggy

        You are as gay as Liberace.

    • William James Ward

      If Vince Foster was alive I wonder what he would have
      to say………………..William

  • daisypony

    Anyone else think this was deliberate?

    • Joe_USA

      There are many, many of us that think that this was deliberate.

  • krinks

    The problem with all of this is that Bin Laden had been dead since early 2002. The story of Seal Team Six killing him was a hoax. Maybe they knew it was only a matter of time before the parties admitted they were never there and were killed off?

  • RobinGOOD63

    It is all about bin Laden and when he died. If he really did die in late 2001 or early 2002, it would be necessary to cover up the lie that he was killed in Abattabad in 2011, and eliminating all the supposed participants is crucial.

    Yes, it sounds crazy evil, but that is the world we live in.

    • http://www.undertherainbow.us Ralyn Speerly Schraceo

      FINALLY! Somebody remembers that he was already dead – thank you for not have a total memory loss like most of America.

  • muslimmustgo

    Hopefully everyone realizes that this criminal act of giving our hero’s up was done absolutely intentionally to appease the radical muslim in the WH’ people! When will the American citizen truly see him for what he is!!???

    • Joe_USA

      Obama has gotten rid of most people in the military that would defy him. Obama is weakening our country. It is concerning that people do not understand what is happening to our United States. Obama is dividing us. We must stay united, and defy his planes, his silent coup of our government.

      • oldfatguy

        It’s not just that people “don’t understand”–they don’t want to understand. Try discussing this particular story with anybody who isn’t already aware of it and watch the reaction. They will either angrily dismiss it as another “conspiracy theory”, or simply roll their eyes and turn back to watching “Dancing with the Stars” or a ball game, or a gay sitcom and completely forget the conversation, or plug their IPOD back into their heads and disappear back into musical fantasy land. I speak, of course, of those people who aren’t on Welfare. Those who’ve chosen the Welfare Career Path will simply shout “RACIST”, and you may find yourself physically attacked…

  • muslimmustgo

    Will this totally out of control govt. ever be able to be reigned in!!!??

  • docwhocuts

    some commander.

  • victoryman

    Michael Savage was the only one in the media to report on and show outrage at this event. He was on it from day1. I can assure you, the truth here will never be told……just like Benghazi. “The Black Box was washed away in a flood……….in Afghanistan?” How about a kid telling the teacher that a herd of elephants stole his homework in the middle of a blizzard in North Dakota? Questions abound here, but I fear we’ll see the usual Washington dog and pony show at the hearings. I have another question……why was Bin Laden so quickly buried at sea? Inquiring minds want to know.

    • CaptainCurmudgeon

      Even those onboard wee not told it was Bin Lden. They thought it a Saddam relative

      • http://www.undertherainbow.us Ralyn Speerly Schraceo

        That’s because it probably was – Bin Laden was already dead. Why do so many people seem to forget that?

      • sailor12

        And who told you?

  • MuslimLuvChrist

    Obama and Hollywood blacklisted Zero Dark Thirty for portraying torture as the key to getting Osama Bin Laden. (it was). Obama is made to look like a fool, and his administration is portrayed as a bunch of paper pushers who could care less about avenging the deaths of thousands of Americans for the events on 9/11. That person did not get to where she is by being elected by the American people. She didn’t want to take out Bin Laden. She is Jarrett, former Chicago slum lord, born in Iran, and is coddling Muslim extremists. She and she alone is the reason it took Obama months to take out Bin Laden after his location was made known. In the weeks and months leading up to the killing of Osama Bin Laden, military officials continually told Obama that the window of opportunity was disappearing with each passing day. There were two reasons for this:

    1 Obama’s “no one in charge” manner of governing—his indecisiveness–and the real power in the White House, Jarrett, chief advisor to Obama, subjugating and overruling kill plans made by military officials.

    2 According to a May 2011 email of intelligence giant Stratfor hacked by WikiLeaks, an internal White House source states there was a literal coup d’état within the White House—albeit temporary—overruling both Obama and Jarrett’s resistance to take out Bin Laden.

    Obama is described as an “absentee President” in the decision-making process to kill Bin Laden. Every time officials would present a kill plan to Obama, Jarrett would stoke Obama’s doubts and the operation would be cancelled. In one case, officials presented a plan to drop a bomb on the compound, only to have Jarrett throw a monkey wrench into the plan. According to the hacked email:

    Obama indicated a willingness to act. But Jarrett intervened, convincing Obama that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack. When Jarrett could not plant seeds of doubt, she would countermand the order herself. Quoting Stratfor’s White House insider:

    This insulation ended at some point with an abort order originated from Jarrett’s office, and was then followed up by Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. It was at this point according to the White House insider that there was a literal coup d’état within the White House. Obama and the Subjugator-in-Chief Jarrett were taken out of the loop—at least temporarily. SEAL Team 6 was deployed without Obama’s knowledge. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to Obama or Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking “very confused and uncertain.” If this operation did not go through then for certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today. America, there is someone in charge at the White House. It’s Mommie Dearest Jarrett and the gaggle of radical Leftist, Muslim-coddling ideologues that surround Obama. And eventually, they will destroy this country if we don’t act quickly.

    I don’t doubt that she set up our Extortion 17 American heroes—that is, had them murdered—and may include Obama himself, as payback for killing Laden.

    • Joe_USA

      What can we do to stop them?
      I have tried to warn people about obama, but they say that I am a paranoid person. So what can we do?

      • MuslimLuvChrist

        And they call me a racist?

    • jillyW

      Without your detailed knowledge of the situation I immediately suspected that the killing of ST6 was payback – but I thought that they were offered as a sacrifice to appease the revenge seeking Islamists. Obama, et al, didn’t want a revenge attack of any significance to ruin his next 4 years at our expense so our men paid the price. Apparently members of the team knew something was wrong. I cannot quote but one article I read in particular was the story of a SEAL who did his will, told his mother something was wrong and he might not be back.
      So if any of this is true then why are the administration officials still propping up this treasonous administration with their silence???? Where are the profiles in courage? The lack of courage means those who are running this country have zero integrity. And the sell-out media and the lack of alarm by the majority in this country mean that we are way past being a decent country.
      So many things wrong with all this on so many levels. It’s all a con and the majority just want a piece of the action while they can still get theirs.

  • Donald J DaCosta

    Good luck. If the Benghazi “phony scandal” is any indicator of how successful this investigation will be, the answer is, it won’t be. Jay Carney will be directed to proclaim this another partisan witch hunt, the media will continue to shine its “impartial light of truth” elsewhere, the republicans will have to strip naked in Times Square to get any media attention and the investigation will “fail.” Obama will claim yet another scandal to be phony, his lackey racist in the Justice Department, attorney general Eric Holder and his fiercely loyal congressional democrats will do nothing and all will go on as usual. Without a national, pervasive voice clamouring for truth and justice this is the life of any person or organization daring to align with what is called “the right” who, in the modern political arena, are always and forever wrong.

  • Craig Hill Phd

    We Gay HIV positive Men of Palm Springs California have had zero problem keeping the Crystal Meth flowing in from our Desert Borders from Mexico. We sell it at the Gay Men’s Crystal Meth Sex Resorts in town and at the Desert AIDS Project Housing complex. Its been going on nearly as long as HIV and AIDS and the main weapon in aiding everyone using it HIV positive to fuel the 30 year epidemic destroying our American Health care system. Our Society was not created for this constant destructive financial draw caused by over the border drug dealing and 30+ year AIDS epidemic.

    A special Thank you going out to Eric Holder for supplying the 2,000 assault weapons to the Mexican drug cartel so we can continue to get our Crystal Meth. You are a true LGBT American. Who cares that 70,000 Mexican civilians died from the use of those weapons we Gays got what we wanted and that is all that counts.

  • http://warforourmind.com/ War for Our Mind

    Thanks for keeping this story on the “front page”

    Alternative News Hub —> http://warforourmind.com

  • Penny Stute

    This was a covert jihad perpetrated against those involved in Bin Laden’s death and/or capture. When an order can’t be rescinded, you make those responsible pay, right! The team was dead the minute they were even considered by the mission. There is a pattern to these tragedies that somehow just never get sorted out or demand the time and attention of the Treyvon Martin debacle!

    • http://www.undertherainbow.us Ralyn Speerly Schraceo

      Another pattern that people seemed to have conveniently forgotten: Bin Laden was pronounced dead by the world in 2001 – Fox still has the article up. The fake Bin Laden killing happened immediately after they posted yet another fake BC on the White House site and claimed it was Obama’s real BC – the forgery was so bad you didn’t even need to download it to see it was tampered with. I’m thinking he needed to make sure they couldn’t talk.

  • SnoMad

    Obama, Biden, Clinton and ANYONE else involved or associated should be DEAD. They are ALL a bunch of f’n traitors. They should ALL be swinging from the gallows

  • jack_k1

    It’s obvious that Obama sacrificed the team in order to ease Pakistan’s outrage.

  • Tan

    I can’t believe this happened. It’s like something out of a Hollywood movie, or Modern Warfare 2 where Roach, Ghost, and the others are betrayed by a rogue US general and then his Shadow Company soldiers kill them near the end of the story line. But in this case, this betrayal was done by our own government under a Marxist pro-Sharia president.

    • http://www.undertherainbow.us Ralyn Speerly Schraceo

      Welcome to Amerika. I’m glad people are finally starting to wake up. We’ve been trying to tell people what has been going on since the beginning of his office, and we’re really tired of being called crazy by people that refuse to open their eyes and actually see what is going on. I just hope it’s not too late already.

  • Dale Little

    Absolutely shameful, but this administration knows no shame.

  • UCSPanther

    Maybe someone should photoshop Seal Team 6 in hoodies with the caption “Justice for Seal Team 6″

    Like this one for Chris Stevens:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=531249873595849&set=a.330374477016724.83603.311190048935167&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

  • Bushy Jeb

    Soldiers in danger and getting killed what kind of job is this they were all promisedsafety WTH.Dam Obama we want more war with more dead only on their side though. WTFU TIW!!

  • Anamah

    This history is so horrific that I have denied it for a while…
    Only the narcissism, the true obsession of brilliance, to gain political recognition noted can explain the ingratitude and the lack of most basic skills and values emptiness in this administration.
    At this point the reality is appalling.
    How America could fall so low?

  • CF

    obama should be tried for treason. He is an aider and abetter of our enemies by his very existence as president. (Small case lettering is intentional)

    • http://www.undertherainbow.us Ralyn Speerly Schraceo

      Don’t forget Biden & Hillary – they are in this together.

  • unohombre

    Official: Embassy Attack Threat “Had No Basis in Fact”

    Terror plot manufactured to dampen opposition to drone strikes

    Paul Joseph Watson
    Infowars.com
    August 12, 2013

    A high-ranking Yemeni security official has told McClatchy that the Obama administration’s recently announced terror threat which supposedly targeted US embassies had “no basis in fact” and was manufactured merely to dampen opposition to drone strikes.

    Image: YouTube

    After initially warning of a terror plot “thought to have been one of the most serious against American and other Western interests since the September 11 attacks,” the US closed 20 embassies and consulates earlier this month, 18 of which reopened yesterday.

    The announcement of the threat occurred as it was simultaneously acknowledged that the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi last year was linked to a clandestine CIA arms smuggling operation based in the Libyan city that was being used to transport arms to rebels in Syria, many of whom are allied with Al-Qaeda militants.

    The announcement of the threat against US embassies also served to justify blanket NSA surveillance, leading some to suggest that the alleged plot was being hyped to distract from the Edward Snowden scandal. It was later claimed that the NSA had intercepted a “conference call” of Al-Qaeda members during which militants discussed an attack.

    However, in a report entitled U.S. embassies in Muslim world reopen amid still-murky threats, McClatchy cites, “A high-ranking Yemeni security official speaking on the condition of anonymity,” who told the news outlet that the threat “had no basis in fact,” with the source bemusedly attributing “media reports about imminent terror strikes to a single official’s comments, which he cast as a misguided attempt at shifting public opinion in the face of increasing and unpopular American drone strikes.”

    Dozens of people, labeled “suspected militants” by the US, have been killed in Yemen over the last two weeks as a result of at least eight drone strikes, attacks that have outraged Yemeni citizens. According to Princeton University professor and Yemen expert Gregory Johnson, the drone strikes are actually serving to recruit more terrorists.

    “There are strikes that kill civilians. There are strikes that kill women and children. And when you kill people in Yemen, these are people who have families. They have clans. And they have tribes. And what we’re seeing is that the United States might target a particular individual because they see him as a member of al-Qaeda. But what’s happening on the ground is that he’s being defended as a tribesman,” said Johnson.

    Figures show that 50 civilians are killed for every one terrorist taken out by a drone strike, which means that 95% of the victims are innocent men, women and children.

    As Ron Paul notes in his column today, while the Obama administration is conducting drone strikes in Yemen to supposedly target Al-Qaeda terrorists, the White House is simultaneously supporting the allies of Al-Qaeda terrorists, the vast majority of whom have pledged allegiance to Al-Qaeda, in Syria.

    Furthermore, as the high-ranking Yemeni security official reveals, the administration is also apparently manufacturing terror plots in order to justify these drone strikes as well as mass NSA surveillance.

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    Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Infowars.com and Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a host for Infowars Nightly News.

    This article was posted: Monday, August 12, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Tags: government corruption, terrorism, war

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  • Kcirtap

    ” Republicans need to find answers to the many questions above. ” More so than just Republicans need but Americas need.

  • evolver

    Obama was voted in by Americans, not once but twice. It is he who is liked the best. If he is corrupt, then it the corruption that the majority of Americans want. The decent, rational people are in the minority now. Thus any corruption in the government will be a phony scandal from now on. Study the Koran and prepare to convert if you love your life.

    • 223sRgreat

      You ignore that obi cheated. As Rush says, it’s easy to be pessimistic and give up. It’s hard to be optimistic and fight through it.

    • deldern

      You are correct in that American voted this man in because they like him and his lack of standards and values. As such, the lazy American people have gotten what they deserve.

  • http://www.undertherainbow.us Ralyn Speerly Schraceo

    Seems to me that I recall Obama also leaking this information in a speech. Both are VERY guilty.

  • http://www.drugsense.org/dpfva FreeRoy

    Oh, GMAFB!

    You say that Biden revealed that Bin Laden had been taken out by ” Adm. Jim Stavridis . . .his Navy SEALS” This is NOT the same thing as inflicting a “target painted on their backs” upon those 22 individuals. There are THOUSANDS of SEALS, in a number of teams, so “Navy SEAL” is about as specific as “Army paratrooper”.

    Your article has lots of allegations, but very few relevant facts.You would have been better served, and more informative, if you had merely posted: “I don’t like Obama and I don’t like Biden.”

  • sailor12

    Hey dumbass people get cremated all the time

    • ziggy zoggy

      Not soldiers and Marines, dumbass. How much are you paid to troll here?

    • dennodog

      fruiti kazooti

  • FJVN

    And the ‘wimps’ in the Pentagon have now also conceded to the gays/lesbians partners being ‘married’ to include leave to go to a state where they can make it official… The prince of the power of the air has now gained the top echelon of our military as his minions…

  • Lisa Askwit

    Strange how Michael Hastings was “cremated” for the very same lie err reason….http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/07/unusual-cremation-not-limited-to.html

  • dick mullert

    those of us who have something to say usually do. unfortunatlly those who should be talking are not, or are afraid to talk for fear of losing their cushy job somewhere. until the elected people that are paid to represent us all take charge again and stop this insanity we will be at a loss and the laughing stock of the world. those of us at this level just do not have the capacity or clout to get the word to the right people. then there are officials that vote stupidly because they are looking to get re-elected. we need term limits now more than ever in our history. people like MR Biden, john McCain, Pelosi, and others are what perpetuate the waste and war mongering in this country today. I served and would go again but how many of these elected people even know what it is like to serve? too many of them are nothing but hypocrites.

  • Mark_Melrose

    Obama Tweeted “Buy My T-Shirts” as bodies being returned to family at Dover AFB. Biden made crass reference to one KIA. And Hillary vowed to get ‘maker of video.’