Zimmerman’s Fate and Looming Race Riots

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The murder case against George Zimmerman is rapidly unraveling, due in large part to the compelling testimony of key witnesses. Ordinarily, there is nothing unusual about compelling testimony changing the course of a trial, but in this case it is witnesses presented by the prosecution that are bolstering the case for the defendant. Thus, with each passing day it is becoming more apparent that the real reason for bringing this case to trial was to assuage the media-driven concerns of the racial grievance industry, led by chief arsonists Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Shamefully aiding and abetting them is the racially polarized Justice Department led by Attorney General Eric Holder.

We begin with the witnesses. Billed as the state’s “star witness,” 19-year-old Rachel Jeantel, the last person to talk to Trayvon Martin before his death, proved to be a major embarrassment. If there is a racial element to this case, other than the prosecution’s unsubstantiated accusation that Zimmerman “profiled” Martin, Jeantel introduced it during her testimony. She revealed that Trayvon Martin had referred to Zimmerman as a “creepy-ass cracker,” even as she subsequently denied it was a racial term. Another compelling part of her testimony was in regard to a letter she had supposedly written to Martin’s mother describing the chain of events that led to Trayvon’s death. During questioning by defense attorney Don West, Jeantel was forced to admit that, despite signing it, she was incapable of reading the cursive script in which it was written.

West further grilled Jeantel about her inconsistent statements to police, and the discrepancies in her testimony. Jeantel blamed them on questions posed by law enforcement officials, and the lengths of the interviews. As to the omission of details, she claimed she was trying to spare the Martin family from enduring additional grief. In the end, Jeantel admitted she didn’t know who threw the first punch, and that she lied under oath. The former admission makes it virtually impossible for the prosecution to prove that Zimmerman didn’t fire in self-defense. The latter admission challenges Jeantel’s entire credibility.

Yet it was testimony from John Good, who witnessed the fight between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, that provided the most damaging, and perhaps fatal blow to the state’s case. Good testified that he saw Trayvon Martin on top of George Zimmerman, raining punches down on him Mixed Martial Arts style. Good further testified that the scream he heard must have come from Zimmerman, because he was on the bottom, and Martin was facing away from Good.

On Monday, detective Doris Singleton, who questioned Zimmerman the night of the shooting, became the latest prosecution witness to undermine the state’s case. She testified that Zimmerman asked her about the crucifix she wore on her neck, and buried his head in his hands after learning that Martin had died. During the exchange Singleton testified that Zimmerman said it was “always wrong to kill.” “I said to him, ‘If what you’re telling me is true then I don’t think that’s what God meant, you couldn’t save your own life,'” she said. Singleton further testified that Zimmerman was shocked when he learned that Martin was dead.

Audiotape of Singleton’s interview with Zimmerman was played in court. He explained he had joined the neighborhood watch after his home had been broken into. As to the fatal encounter with Martin, Zimmerman said Martin “jumped out” at him from the bushes and said, “What the f— is your problem, homey?” Zimmerman claimed he didn’t have a problem, and said Martin responded by saying, “Now you have a problem,” and punched him in the nose. When Zimmerman fell, Martin allegedly got on top of him, throwing punches. “He put his hands on my nose and said, ‘You’re going to die tonight,'” said Zimmerman on the tape. Zimmerman then stated that Martin saw his (Zimmerman’s) gun and started to reach for it, which is when Zimmerman  drew it and shot the teenager.

Hirotaka Nakasone, an FBI audio voice analyst, further discredited the state’s case, saying he was unable to determine which of the two men was captured screaming on audio.

The state’s best witness was former lead investigator for the Sanford Police, Christopher Serino, who testified that Zimmerman’s injuries were “lacking” in terms of his story. He was further concerned that Zimmerman didn’t identify himself to Martin. Yet under cross-examination by defense attorney Mark O’Mara regarding Serino’s suggestion to Zimmerman that there might be a videotape of the incident, Serino admitted Zimmerman was buoyed by the possibility. “I believe his words were, ‘thank god. I was hoping somebody would have videotaped it’,” said Serino. O’Mara then asked Serino what that response indicated to him. “Either he was telling the truth or he was a complete pathological liar,” the detective responded. The defense then asked Serino if pathological liar was removed from the equation, did he believe Zimmerman was being truthful. “Yes,” he testified.

Additional witnesses presented by the prosecution have, to date, corroborated Zimmerman’s version of the events in question, save one: Selma Mora testified last Thursday that Zimmerman was on top of Martin in the moments before a gunshot ended the fight, telling the court that a man wearing “patterns between black and red” was on top, meaning Zimmerman. “One of them was on the ground, and the other one was on top in position like a rider,” the Spanish-speaking Mora testified through a translator. Yet unlike Good, Mora did not see the fight prior to the gunshot.

Again, these are witnesses for the prosecution, whose job is to prove that Zimmerman is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Yet it is more complicated than that. Because the state filed second degree murder charges against Zimmerman (as opposed to manslaughter, where they might have argued he acted without just cause), Florida law requires them to prove Zimmerman “acted according to a ‘depraved mind’ without regard for human life.”

So why did the state pursue that charge? Because Trayvon Martin became a cause célèbre for race-hatred promoters like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, who called for marches and boycotts against the city of Sanford. Their efforts were aided and abetted by corrupt media, which bent over backwards to insert race into the equation. Those efforts included the New York Times referring to Zimmerman as a “white Hispanic,” NBC purposefully editing an audiotape of his 911 call to make Zimmerman appear racist, CNN claiming Zimmerman used the word “coon” when he actually said “cold,” and innumerable news outlets publishing a picture of Martin at age 13, despite the fact that he was 17 and over six feet tall at the time of the incident.

If a report by “sundance” at conservativetreehouse.com is accurate, the media’s effort to paint Zimmerman as racist was part of a well-coordinated publicity campaign undertaken by Martin family attorneys Benjamin Crump and Natalie Jackson, in conjunction with publicist Ryan Julison, who was instrumental in providing publicity for the Pigford Farmer’s lawsuit and settlement. “Within the prior networking connections to this lawsuit, and within the media consulting/advocacy, is where the outline of the Congressional Black Caucus and substantive race-dependent civil rights leaders such as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the NAACP’s Ben Jealous are connected to Ryan Julison through Benjamin Crump and Natalie Jackson and the Pigford II Lawyer, Greg Francis,” he writes, further noting that their efforts were all about creating a “systematic campaign of optical control.”

Andrew McCarthy reveals the consequences of such a campaign with respect to the DOJ, citing the initiation of a “federal civil rights prosecution that induced state officials in Florida to reconsider the initial decision not to charge Zimmerman.” “It’s easy for a corrupt process to produce criminal charges,” writes McCarthy.

“It is quite something else to prove them. To try to fill the gaping intent hole in its case, the Zimmerman prosecution has transferred the hobgoblin of racism from the headlines into the courtroom. Indeed, it did not even wait for the trial to do that; the prosecutor injected racism directly into the charging documents.”

The Florida prosecutor did that by inserting the term “profiling” into the document which, McCarthy notes, was an effort “to imply, in the absence of any evidence, that Zimmerman is a bigot who assumed Martin was up to no good just because he was black.”

Yet it is PJMedia’s J. Christian Adams, a former attorney at the Justice Department, who reveals a disturbing reality regarding why the DOJ forced Florida’s hand. “Right now, hanging on the door of a federal employee’s office in the Department of Justice (DOJ) Voting Section is a sign expressing racial solidarity with Trayvon Martin,” Adams writes. He further notes that even as the DOJ abetted the mob demanding racial justice in Florida, it did absolutely nothing about New Black Panther leader Mikhail Muhammad, who put a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman’s head and called for the mobilization of 10,000 black men to capture him.

In terms of making the case a national sensation, all of these efforts have been enormously successful, even as they remain mind-numbingly irresponsible — as well as substantially dangerous. If numerous comments posted on Twitter are any indication, the failure to convict Zimmerman of murder will precipitate large-scale rioting around the nation. In that regard, former Chicago police officer Paul Huebl adds fuel to an already burning fire. “With today’s social media I fully expect organized race rioting to begin in every major city to dwarf the Rodney King and the Martin Luther King riots of past decades,” he writes.

“If you live in a large city be prepared to evacuate or put up a fight to win. You will need firearms, fire suppression equipment along with lots of food and water. Police resources will be slow and outgunned everywhere.”

Philadelphia Tribune columnist Charles D. Ellison takes it one step further, insisting that the “pervasive cynicism currently surrounding the trial could be validated by an acquittal–and there is the risk of a flashpoint as intense as the aftermath of that fateful Los Angeles police brutality verdict in 1992.”

The message here is clear: either Zimmerman is found guilty, irrespective of the evidence, or the country will burn.

Barring a bombshell turn of events, the state will have a difficult, if not impossible, task proving that Zimmerman acted according to a depraved mind without regard for human life. The six female jurors and four alternates hearing the case have been sequestered and will remain so for the duration of the trial. Thus, it remains impossible to know if they are aware of the extra-judicial firestorm this case is engendering, and whether that firestorm will have any effect on their verdict.

Obviously, there is one man who could go a long way toward defusing this entire scenario should he choose to do so. President Barack Obama could rise above the fray and explain to every American that our system of justice means nothing if the threat of violence can corrupt the verdict of a murder trial. The President could make it clear that violent outbursts of any kind are absolutely unacceptable and attempt to defuse an already tense environment. He won’t, however, because race riots are good for the Democratic Party. They fire up the base. It’s what the whole show was for.

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  • Larry Larkin

    Obama will make no attempt what so ever to defuse the race riots that are coming, rather he will welcome them as he can then use them to further his own radical leftard agenda.

    • WillyWallace

      To counter the riots, “The People” need to block and control the streets. If the rioters want to push, kick, and punch “The People,” then they are the ones to be arrested. Business and home owners need to “stand your ground,” on their properties and protect them.

      Obama will do nothing which will legitimize the riots. Sharpton and Jackson, and even the Martin family, need to be held responsible too if they “incite a riot.” The Black Panthers, or whoever that group was, who put a bounty on Zimmerman, should be in jail period. This lynch mobs has gotten a pass just because they are Black. Imagine if the Tea Party did the same rioting or threat to riot!

      • Ellman48

        If I lived in Sanford I would buy some guns and ammo while there’s time. And remember, if there’s a riot and civil disorder in Sanford, it could spread to other cities which have been power kegs waiting to explode. Chicago and LA come to mind as two possibilities. Obama could impose martial law and then suspend the constitution just like Mr. Morsi in Egypt had planned to do until the Egyptian people woke up. To their credit it took them one year to do so while the majority of Americans are still asleep after 5 years of our despot.

        • Jazzee

          excellent post

          • Ellman48

            Thanks!

  • UCSPanther

    This case was a circus, and may very well end with rioting…

    • OfficialPro

      yeah and it’ll make the Rodney King based LA riots seem like a picnic.

      • TiredOfTheWhining

        Please everyone, remember to protect your pets as well.

  • Well Done

    There is no legal, ethical, or moral reason to have this trial. Witnesses for the prosecution seem more like witnesses for the defense. People who are on Martin’s “side” make some of the most irrational, off-the-wall assertions I’ve ever seen in years of reading comment boards. I can’t believe people are actually as stupid as some of the pro-Martin comments make them appear. Then, of course, there’s Jabba the Witness… contradicting herself, embarrassing her country, and hating on everyone asking her questions. Putting her on the stand was useful in that she has given the world a window into just how stupid we are allowing young people to be. This trial is a result of at least 3 generations of hard left meddling in the basic foundations of American society.

    • tjke

      I Think Zimmermann is NOT GUILTY. His action was self -defence

      • lowrah

        Good, Zimmerman will never get another job so please support him. If he goes to jail he will be dead within a year

        • ARETHEYNUTS

          I have no problem supporting him. He is a victim of racism.

  • ElizabethMC

    This is the new face of a lynching mob.

    • Harry Black

      Do you have any idea of the actual horrors of southern lynching? Zimmerman may or may not be guilty–the case isn’t over–but only one person is dead, Trayvon Martin. It amazes me that you so readily throw around the word “lynching” in this case without any sense of irony.

      • WSG57

        Yes Trayvon is dead – as the consequences of his own actions. He picked the wrong target, an armed man who had no intentions of being a victim. Trayvon’s “parents” should have instilled a sense of respect and humility towards others but now they have profited from his death …… . Go figure

        • Harry Black

          WSG57 is judge and jury here, and so anxious to convict Trayvon Martin of killing himself that he/she entirely misses my point, which wasn’t Zimmerman’s guilt or innocence, but the way ElizabethMC and other Frontpage deep thinkers fling around the word “lynching.” But WSG57 seems not to have noticed it in his/her rush to judgment. I have more faith in the jury system. As I said, “Zimmerman may or may not be guilty–the case isn’t over.”

      • ziggy zoggy

        “Southern lynching?” The vast majority of lynch victims were White Northerners, the vast majority of Blacks were lynched by other Blacks, and the vast majority of both were guilty.
        As if you’ve ever witnessed a lynching.

        • Harry Black

          If you don’t like the facts of history, make up your own, right?

          • muslimmustgo

            I don’t see you showing any historical fact about anything,so who’s making up history here!

          • Harry Black

            The burden of proof is on ziggy zoggy, but he takes no responsibility for what he says. The facts are as follows (information from the Charles Chestnut Digital Archive): “From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these people that were lynched 3,446 were black. The blacks lynched accounted for 72.7% of the people lynched. These numbers seem large, but it is known that not all of the lynchings were ever recorded. Out of the 4,743 people lynched only 1,297 white people were lynched. That is only 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping blacks or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes.”

            See: The NAACP Crusade Against Lynching, 1909-1950. Temple University Press. Philadelphia. 1980. Lynching and the Law. University of North Carolina Press. Chapel Hill. 1933. Lynching in the New South. University of Illinois Press. Urbana and Chicago. 1993. Southern Horrors and Other Writings. Bedford
            Books. Boston. 1997. http://www.crimemagazine.com/lynchings.htm http://www.harvard-magazine.com/nd96/right.lynch.html http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~wgrant/1890's/lynching/lynchiing.html http://www.abc.net.au/compass/series/1997/lynching.htm

      • objectivefactsmatter

        It’s a lynch mob. Not yet a lynching. Yet.

        Get a little perspective. People today suffer much worse in the Middle East under sharia. People have suffered worse here in the USA under “black on white” rape and mutilation.

        Stop this eternal class warfare.

      • ElizabethMC

        I’d like to introduce you to the term ‘figure of speech’, which in this case isn’t far off the mark from the real thing if it leads to the annihilation of one’s reputation or unjust imprisonment.

        • Harry Black

          A very good example of how metaphor becomes reality–“isn’t far off the mark from the real thing.” Zimmerman isn’t being lynched. He’s enjoying the right to a fair and speedy trial as guaranteed by the Constitution. That’s nothing like a lynching and everything real Constitutionalists expect. I’m beginning to think all the paranoia here about Zimmerman’s fate is Unamerican!

          • Ellman48

            There is no paranoia here about Zimmerman’s fate. There is anger and frustration at the mockery of justice which is transpiring in Florida. Outrage at injustice is very American and this case reeks with injustice, incompetence, fear of black retribution, depraved indifference to an innocent man’s life, and threats to destroy property and harm innocent individuals because you don’t like the verdict. That’s not paranoia. That’s a natural response to morally reprehensible conduct – anger and disgust!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            He talks as if “black” leaders have never fomented riots before, ably assisted by the leftist media.

            They’re collectivists and collectivists enshrine racism for various motives. Then they act like they’re trying to “solve” the problems. They want to “solve” racism the way that fisherman want to solve the problem of fish in the water.

          • Ellman48

            Islamists believe that the answer to the world’s problems is to kill or enslave all infidels and impose Sharia globally. To many black ‘leaders’ racism is too endemic in the white man’s nature and cannot be eradicated except to eradicate the man himself, socially, politically, morally, and if necessary, physically. This is the kind of thinking practiced by the KKK once upon a time and by the Black Panthers today.

          • Harry Black

            OK Ellman48, time for you to document “threats to destroy property and harm innocent individuals.” Who made those threats? When? No answer means paranoia is the name of your game.

          • Ellman48

            Interesting how you get to decide what no reply represents. Do a google search on “black flash mobs” and go to http://www.wnd.com. If you don’t do these searches I can only conclude that you don’t care about the truth.

          • Kenneth Davis

            mob were created by whites, blacks created their own after so many blacks were killed in cold blood and no justice prevailed

          • muslimmustgo

            I beg to differ,just look back at the history of blacks in africa!

          • objectivefactsmatter
          • muslimmustgo

            When your god(obama) and his mohammed (holder) sent his henchmen to Florida from the justice dept. to foment riots and racial strife,which then becomes black mob violence,have you had your head up somebodys a?? all your life!

      • Nov-cubed

        Lynch mobs have formed at all ordinates, N-E-S and west.

        I wonder if you are as sensitive about calling SCJ Thomas a
        Holocaust era Nazi?

      • Ellman48

        It Trayvon were killed by a black man the event would not even be news. If Trayvon had killed Zimmerman he would have be considered a hero. This is the new, modernized version of ‘lynching’ and it pertains to while or light-skinned males accused of killing a black. Where’s the outrage about the ‘black flash gangs’ that are attacking whites in Philadelphia, Chicago, Miami and other major cities? The propaganda media doesn’t even report these stories. How many whites have already been injured or killed from acts of vengeance “on behalf” of Trayvon? Let’s not play the leftist game of moral equivalence over and over. What’s happening to Zimmerman today is NOT JUSTIFIED by what happened to blacks 150 years ago. Progressives always have one foot in the past when it comes to race relations.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Where’s the outrage about the ‘black flash gangs’ that are attacking whites in Philadelphia, Chicago, Miami and other major cities?”

          Chirp chirp. Sounds like “social justice” to me.

        • Kenneth Davis

          white americans and white europeans have been trying to wipe out blacks from earth for a long time and re write history from blacks being the first race (native earth) and all man came after them when the bushman tribe left africa. black murders, slavery, drugs liquor were created for people to kill each other through gangs that didn’t go well so AIDS were created and delivered to black areas for the purpose of mass destruction (blacks to wipe themselves out of existence through sexual content) and also african civil wars. incited by white greed.

          • muslimmustgo

            RFLMAO,whatever,You would get more credence on mslsd!

      • Gislia Jackson

        MIssissippi Wind Chimes.

  • cecil91

    If there are riots the media will have aided and abetted them by turning individual threats into national expectations. Every major city will now have hordes of street thugs waiting for the opportunity to slash, burn, and loot.

    • Black Racism

      the media worked hard to foment more animosity for whites

  • mtnhikerdude

    In a trial there is the truth and lies . What the jury believes is the truth becomes the verdict. .Zimmerman’s acquittal will result in his death. Zimmerman’s incarceration will result in his death . I doubt if there is a black person in America not siding with Trayvon. Martin .

    • Steve Bryant

      Dude, you are correct. Zimmerman is screwed regardless of the verdict. My guess is that he will be acquitted of murder charges and convicted of manslaughter, resulting in a lengthy prison sentence, which will be either in solitary confinement, or his death by murder.

      • OfficialPro

        If by some awful miscarriage of justice Zimmerman does go to jail, they’d better put him in protective solitary isolation. All the gang bangers are going to want a piece of him.

        • Arf

          I don’t think he will go to prison but he’ll have to leave the country — at least for a few years. If I’m wrong and he does go to prison, the latino gangs will protect him, and so will the white gangs.

        • Steve Bryant

          It’s starting to look like they will convict on manslaughter in order to keep the natives from going wild. What a sad state we are in. Yes, Obama has brought us together at home and made the world love us over seas. wow

      • LoJoFo

        He’ll have to go to Moscow and hang out with Snowden.

    • Melinda Craig

      You are correct all blacks see this and an opportunity to hate the white person and ignore the fact he is Hispanic. Then blacks can justifiably go around randomly jerking people out of their trucks (like they did the poor white in the king riots) and blame it on the trial. The poor guy that got beat near death in the king riots should have resulted in somehate crimes. But blacks are above the law in those regards.

      • Harry Black

        “All blacks”? “Blacks are above the law”? Why is it that 1) generalizations such as “all blacks” do not qualify as racist? 2) Why is it if “blacks are above the law,” that blacks are incarcerated for non-violent offenses at more than twice the rate for whites–and that time and again it has been shown that in practice the criminal justice system is racist?

        • odd

          1) You are right that is racism. 2) maybe because blacks commit crimes twice as often? Nah that cant be it can it?

          • Harry Black

            Well, Mr. odd, to take one example: the same percentage of whites as blacks use drugs but blacks end up jail far more often. For example, an African-American convicted of a low-level drug crime in Cook County
            is eight times more likely than his white counterpart to face prison
            time for it, So is the issue black crime or unequal justice?

          • ziggy zoggy

            Hairry Blackhole,
            all your statistics are bogus. Furthermore, American Blacks are 8 times more likely to commit violent crimes than Whites and 30 times more likely to commit crime in general.
            And oh, yeah. You are a White, left-wing troll.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            The report originally came from these swell guys, who are just looking for “social justice.” They’d never misrepresent statistics in pursuit of a political agenda. Never.

            http://www.centerforhealthandjustice.org/

          • Melinda Craig

            one thing for sure is blacks are thousands times more likely to kill or beat up a white and blacks preachers are preaching hate for the devil whites it is blacks that are the racist ones

          • Kenneth Davis

            i guess it takes one to know one whites are the first racist

          • Kenneth Davis

            i totally disagree, more crimes are committed by whites but many don’t get reported because of money and power.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Well, Mr. odd, to take one example: the same percentage of whites as blacks use drugs but blacks end up jail far more often.”

            Most people in jail on drug charges are there for more than mere possession. Don’t oversimplify to whine.

            Behavior comes from culture and role models. Continue playing class victim and it will never end. You will create perpetual victims of your class warfare.

            “For example, an African-American convicted of a low-level drug crime in Cook County is eight times more likely than his white counterpart to face prison time for it, So is the issue black crime or unequal justice?”

            Argue for stricter sentencing guidelines. I somehow doubt you’ve given an accurate portrayal. Show us something we can research and authenticate or refute.

            One reason might be a willingness to accept intervention programs. There are other explanations even if some racial bias can be discovered. When you find that, take it to court on a case by case basis. Stop perpetuating it by claiming that the system itself is biased. That’s BS. If anything, it’s biased towards leftist racial theory, which is what makes the problems continue. Always an excuse to let the culprits escape accountability.

            I realize there is a vast culture war and you are probably a mere dupe of the leftist liars, who are themselves dupes of Soviet communism. But you’re still a victim in your mind more than anywhere else. Don’t let them deceive you.

          • Harry Black

            Nothing like a little right wing paranoia! What would you do if couldn’t trace everything back to “Soviet communism”? And what would you do without the wacko idea that those who disagree with you or have a different view are “dupes”? You demonstrate why Congress is at an impasse and why for the most part Frontpagers are talking to themselves since all they want is to confirm their assumptions rather than learn or think seriously about an issue. If you think the system is fair, as you claim, why all this hysteria over the Zimmerman trial?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “What would you do if couldn’t trace everything back to “Soviet communism”?”

            The world would be a different place, so that’s a question I can’t answer.

            “And what would you do without the wacko idea that those who disagree with you or have a different view are “dupes”?”

            Perhaps you don’t know what a dupe is:

            http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dupe

            dupe (dp, dyp) n.
            1. An easily deceived person.
            2. A person who functions as the tool of another person or power.

            It’s not mere disagreement. You hurt yourself by accepting lies propagated by a third party. It has little to do with me except that I’m observing it.

            “You demonstrate why Congress is at an impasse and why for the most part Frontpagers are talking to themselves since all they want is to confirm their assumptions rather than learn or think seriously about an issue.”

            Congress SHOULD be at an impasse until it can show that change is needed. Passing new laws is not a trivial activity.

            You want to front that you’re the educated one. Well nobody is stopping you from correcting anyone here. What “issue” is urgently in need of resolution that the Democratic Party is trying to fix, yet is being blocked by Republicans? The Republicans are too compliant.

            So far you’re mere bluff and bluster.

            “If you think the system is fair, as you claim, why all this hysteria over the Zimmerman trial?”

            Because of the claims that “the system” is not fair and allegedly radically against “blacks” when it can be shown objectively that political correctness is the biggest impediment to justice today in America.

            The POTUS is “black.” His AG is “black.” They’re both radicals looking to impress their constituents without any regard for individual justice because the Soviets successfully promoted the bogus collectivism of their communist ideology that attacks our ability to pursue the individual justice enshrined in the US constitution.

            All of the gains we’ve made to date have been thanks to the US constitution.

            You’re a dupe because you’re fighting the battles of other people even though it hurts you and your stated values. Actually none of it hurts me directly. I just think its sad, and does not bode well for freedom around the world.

          • Harry Black

            “You hurt yourself by accepting lies propagated by a third party.” Seems to me you’re talking about yourself, especially since the third party seems to be David Horowitz and his confreres.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Of course it “seems that way” to you. You’re a dupe that doesn’t know how to investigate facts. You only quote radical leftist partisans, who are not averse to outright lying.

          • Harry Black

            Well Mr. OFM, now that we’ve reduced the issue to who is the dupe, there’s nothing more to say. You think I’m a dupe, and I think the same of you, except given the context (the Frontpage School of Falsification) I think I’ve got the better case. You believe “objective facts matter,” but what objective fact licenses your opinion that I “only quote radical leftist partisans”? I challenge you to name all the “leftist partisans” I’ve quoted, since to my knowledge I’ve quoted no one. Failure to provide specifics will prove that you are not a purveyor of “objective facts” but a deluded ideologue who mistakes prejudice for fact.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “I challenge you to name all the “leftist partisans” I’ve quoted, since to my knowledge I’ve quoted no one.”

            So you investigated yourself when you said:

            “For example, an African-American convicted of a low-level drug crime in Cook County is eight times more likely than his white counterpart to face prison time for it…”

            The key phrase being “to my knowledge.” Either you’re a dupe, or you investigated this yourself.

            Which is it?

            I already know the source. Do you?

          • Harry Black

            My source is an article published in the Huffington Post. The statistic is based on a study commissioned by the Illinois General Assembly. The findings are fact Mr. OJM, not the fantasy of “leftist partisans.” Or is it the case that facts you don’t like don’t qualify as “objective” but are the work of “dupes”? You really are prejudiced!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            The findings are fact Mr. OJM, not the fantasy of “leftist partisans.”

            Show me the facts. Who did they commission to do the study?

            You’re not quite there yet. I’m sure you think you already gave “the facts” because you’re a dupe.

          • Harry Black

            “You’re a dupe.” Keep saying it. You’ll take great comfort in reinforcing your own meager repertory of curse words–“dupe,” “communist,” etc.–and your own narrow viewpoint. I won’t waste any more time on someone who is still living in cold war hell.

          • Harry Black

            Mr. OFM: what a wonderful, logical argument! I have no interest in spending my weekend demonstrating to the likes of you what is already well known. No matter what I say, your thoughtful reply will be “you’re a dupe.”

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Too bad you miss the point entirely. It blows you away to think that anyone can suggest you’ve been duped.

            Think about what you presented. You can’t even defend it. You accepted it hook, line and sinker and all you can do to defend it is show me that politicians funded it and it was published by a left-leaning web site.

            That’s how you support this “evidence” about racial inequality? You believe in claims about “systemic racial bias” because of sensational headlines and haven’t even considered looking at the data.

            It’s too bad you’re so defensive. I really wanted to help. With a little patience you might have discovered that you have more power than you realize, but it’s easier to complain about the evil empire.

          • Harry Black

            Apparently anyone who disagrees with you is a dupe. Great approach. If you ignore this country’s long and ongoing history of racism you can then claim systematic racism doesn’t exist. But it does. The Huffington Post piece is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to evidence. And last week, when SCOTUS gutted the 1965 Civil Rights Act, guess what happened next? Within horus, five states enacted voter suppression laws. But that’s not systematic racism, is it?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “The Huffington Post piece is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to evidence. And last week, when SCOTUS gutted the 1965 Civil Rights Act, guess what happened next? Within horus, five states enacted voter suppression laws. But that’s not systematic racism, is it?”

            Wow. You really are a victim of systemic racism from the left, in the form of propaganda. This is not a denial of racism. It’s pointing out to you that you side with the racists and help them perpetuate the victim status of an entire “class” of people.

            SCOTUS “gutted” the 1965 Civil Rights Act? Are you insane? 5 states enacted “voter suppression laws?

            These are your facts? That is hyperbolic rhetoric created by the grievance industry on the left for the purposes of waging class warfare. You don’t want to solve anything. You’re caught up in moaning about supposed systemic racism.

            SCOTUS. Racists persecuting non-whites. Sure.

            You’re worse than I thought.

          • Harry Black

            Like so many on the Tea Party right you seem to believe that the US is somehow a post-racial society and therefore it doesn’t need the Civil Rights Act anymore. Never mind that a Republican Congress reauthorized the crucial sections of the act as recently as 2006. That five states did what they could not do earlier immediately after the SCOTUS ruling demonstrates my point. As Justice Ginsburg wrote, “it’s like throwing away your umbrella in a rainstorm.” Sorry, Mr. OFM, but we still live in a racially divided society and at least four SCOTUS justices recognize that fact. You think the left is “racist.” Look in the mirror before you again make such a claim.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Have we made progress since 1965? I not, we need a better solution. If we have, we need to reevaluate what to do next.

            Your characterizations of the news events come straight from radical leftist analysis. Nobody took away your umbrella. All they said was that it’s time to reevaluate. Those who are upset want permanent compensation for a problem that others want to fix and move past. And in many ways these radical leftists fail to give credit for the many examples of positive progress. It’s pathetic because this denial removes incentives to continue. Why bother to work on something that just gets denied, destroyed or manipulated? That’s Affirmative Action in a nutshell.

            Unless your idea is to simply identify and institutionalize racism (as it existed in some places in 1965) so that compensation can be made indefinitely to various class victims? Who will be the elites that choose these solutions? Not many are “black.”

            Or do would you rather carefully weigh the evidence and figure out how to eradicate ridiculous racist ideology and handle actual racism as it truly exists?

            Racism is institutionalized and perpetuated on the left. Conservatives ironically are the only ones arguing for actual positive progress on race relations.

          • Harry Black

            If you think anti-black racism doesn’t exist in this country or that racism is simply the work of the left you’re either a racist yourself or you’ve been asleep all your life. I see no point in prolonging this exchange since Objective Facts don’t seem to Matter when they go against your preconceptions. Rave on . . .

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “If you think anti-black racism doesn’t exist in this country…”

            I didn’t say that, now did I.

            “…or that racism is simply the work of the left…”

            Neither did I say that. I said the left is making it a lot worse, and most of the racism used in politics is about class warfare, not constitutional justice. We already have a justice system that allows people to seek justice on a per case basis. But the favorite tactic is to use the drama of marches, press releases, and so forth to appeal to collectivist principals and the guilty feelings many people have about how could slavery ever have existed.

            Most of the discourse today from the left about race and race relations is destructive. Almost all of it is.

            “..you’re either a racist yourself or you’ve been asleep all your life.”

            Of course you feel that way.

            “I see no point in prolonging this exchange since Objective Facts don’t seem to Matter when they go against your preconceptions.”

            This rave exists exclusively in your head. You quote radical headlines and refuse to discuss the objective facts that those headlines are derived from. If you had the patience to do that, you’d have learned quite a bit.

            Hopefully you’re like most people and simply being defensive in public while privately you’ll consider what I’ve said. I’ve given you enough clues that you could at any time step out from your completely subjective opinions and find out what are the facts that inspired the rhetoric on “your team.”

            I’m not a racist, nor am I a racialist. I reject all theories that any distinctions can be made between humans by observing skin color or other aesthetic features associated with racial theories that call for more than 1 human species or “race.” I wonder if you can honestly say the same thing.

          • Harry Black

            “I’m not a racist, nor am I a racialist.” Bravo! Applause! Gold Stars! Perhaps a medal! Objectively, however, . . .

          • objectivefactsmatter

            You can’t recognize objectivity even when it’s raining down on you. You’re too busy with your mantras.

            Anyone can read this conversation and see that I tried to build bridge to you to build your case objectively. You declined.

          • Harry Black

            I can’t take seriously anyone who opens a conversation with name calling
            (“dupe”) and then pretends he/she is bridge building. If you want a
            serious conversation with someone, learn some manners. As for me: I’ve
            had it .

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Gold Stars! Perhaps a medal!”

            For taking your questions seriously? Well, obviously you’re joking but I don’t think you actually understand the true implications.

          • Harry Black

            OFM: You want me to take you seriously? You began this conversation (as you will recall) by insisting I’m a “dupe.” Consequently, I have no reason to take you any more seriously than you have taken me or to believe that someone who traffics in the abuse that passes for thought on Frontpage has suddenly acquired the ability to build bridges or engage in reasonable conversation.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Suddenly reasonable? You never back up any of your accusations with objective facts. Informing you that you are a dupe is something useful if I can show that it’s true, and I have. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

            Presenting huffpo headlines as “evidence” of “systemic racism” is fairly extreme. You seem to believe it and refuse to discuss the actual source of this statistic. You additionally use language like “gutted the 1965 Civil Rights Act” as though that’s evidence. And an activist judge used an umbrella analogy. None of that is objective or even useful.

            But as a dupe, you won’t recognize the wisdom and patience I’m showing you until a certain degree of realism gets past the emotional manipulation you’ve experienced that leads you to reject any reasonable argument that tends to call you away from your extreme, subjective positions.

            In summary, try not to be so insulted before you understand the point. All I hear from you are emotional arguments sprinkled with an abuse of a few facts.

            Abuse of facts can not be objective.

          • Harry Black

            OFM you conveniently forget that, as I pointed out, the Huffpo article was based upon a study commissioned by Illinois General Assembly. In any case, there are literally thousands of studies that detail racial profiling, racial discrimination, etc. No doubt, a whole army of “dupes” has been busy concocting these fantasies to keep the victim industry going. If that sounds silly, consider how silly your ravings appear to others. Every ideologue pretends to fact and objectivity, although not every ideologue proclaims to the world his/her “wisdom and patience.” You dare to lecture me (and the world) about facts and objectivity, but you won’t acknowledge the fact that the minute SCOTUS eviscerated the Voting Rights Act, five states instituted laws designed to suppress minority voting–laws that had hitherto violated the Civil Rights Act. In other words, you select the facts you like and ignore those you don’t, all in the name of objectivity. But perhaps you believe your “wisdom and patience” will earn you sainthood–or at least a seat on the local Tea Party refreshment committee.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “you conveniently forget that, as I pointed out, the Huffpo article was based upon a study commissioned by Illinois General Assembly.”

            Why would you think I forgot that? It’s hard to follow your logic. I’ve already quoted a passage of the executive summary from the report.

            “In any case, there are literally thousands of studies that detail racial profiling,”

            Why not complete the argument you started with? Are they all just as lame as the one you used?

            “No doubt, a whole army of “dupes” has been busy concocting these fantasies to keep the victim industry going.”

            It’s called viral dissemination of memes. That doesn’t mean there are no underlying issues that should not be addressed. It means you lose credibility when you accept myths as facts and then try to use those myths as political weapons.

            “Every ideologue pretends to fact and objectivity, although not every ideologue proclaims to the world his/her “wisdom and patience.””

            Beating around the bush. You started with a claim about a report showing systemic racism and then you beat around the bush and start talking about SCOTUS gutting the Civil Rights Act. You can’t even finish any argument that you start because you attack using radical leftist rhetoric. Of course you can’t support it objectively so you run around sniping with more whining claims taken from radical headline authors.

            “You dare to lecture me (and the world) about facts and objectivity, but you won’t acknowledge the fact that the minute SCOTUS eviscerated the Voting Rights Act, five states instituted laws designed to suppress minority voting–laws that had hitherto violated the Civil Rights Act.”

            Look, if that is what you consider objective analysis, we have nowhere to go from here. You’re not a dupe. Your a victim of American racism. You have all of the evidence you need. No need to even consider that a more nuanced approach might lead you to solve most of your problems.

            “In other words, you select the facts you like and ignore those you don’t, all in the name of objectivity.”

            I’m trying to look objectively and you keep running around from accusation to accusation. If you think you’re being objective…you don’t know what the word means. You’ve got a communist definition of objectively, just like your communist collectivist definitions of everything else. I guess you’re simply a collectivist and can’t have a discussion that threatens your worldview.

            “But perhaps you believe your “wisdom and patience” will earn you sainthood–or at least a seat on the local Tea Party refreshment committee.”

            What does the “Tea Party” or anything else have to do with the fact that you present radical leftist media headlines as objective facts?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            You failed to respond to this, so I’ll put it here too since it applies to our main conversation. Guess where this is from?

            “Limited Access to Alternative Sentencing: Early contact with the criminal justice system provides an opportunity for rehabilitation programming and diversion from the justice system. The availability of substance abuse treatment services through the criminal justice system appeared to differ for white and nonwhite first-time arrestees throughout Illinois. A limited analysis suggested that whites were more likely than nonwhites to participate in court diversion or probation programs, such as mandatory drug treatment.”

            One interpretation could be that “whites” have cultural values that tend to motivate family interdiction and support. Anyone can benefit from these ideas and policies. These ideas tend to attract less interest among class victims, dupes of the Democratic Party somehow always seem to promote permanent dependence on class compensation rather than finding out true root causes and allowing everyone an equal opportunity.

            The US constitution guarantees equal opportunity, not equal results. Communists promise equal results but have never once delivered on that promise. The game of the communists is to pretend that the USA stands in the way of communist success. It must be completely destroyed before their new Utopian world can function.

            Nice excuse, huh? Satan could not have come up with any better than that.

          • Drakken

            You just might want to take that chip off your shoulder.

          • Harry Black

            This from someone who uses the word “libtard” to describe those he disagrees with and can write (with little concern for grammatical niceties): “Oh so your a leftist, self hating, self loathing, white guilt ridden liberal, go figure!” What you perceive as the chip on my shoulder is in reality the mote in your eye.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            He must have been reading what you wrote.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Limited Access to Alternative Sentencing: Early contact with the criminal justice system provides an opportunity for rehabilitation programming and diversion from the justice system. The availability of substance abuse treatment services through the criminal justice system appeared to differ for white and nonwhite first-time arrestees throughout Illinois. A limited analysis suggested that whites were more likely than nonwhites to participate in court diversion or probation programs, such as mandatory drug treatment.”

            One interpretation could be that “whites” have cultural values that tend to motivate family interdiction and support. Anyone can benefit from these ideas and policies. These ideas tend to attract less interest among class victims, Dupes of the Democratic Party somehow always seem to promote permanent dependence on class compensation rather than finding out true root causes and allowing everyone an equal opportunity.

            The US constitution guarantees equal opportunity, not equal results. Communists promise equal results but have never once delivered on that promise. The game of the communists is to pretend that the USA stands in the way of communist success. It must be completely destroyed before their new Utopian world can function.

            Nice excuse, huh? Satan could not have come up with any better than that.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Everyone is prejudiced when they disagree with you, and even many who agree with you are prejudiced according to your left-wing definitions.

          • Gislia Jackson

            Of course you have quoted no one. You have posted nothing but your own opinion. No facts, no documentation to back up your claims. Quoting no one does not help your cause, fishhead.

          • Kenneth Davis

            let me guess you never been to russia recently. thats stuff is old bad history, and most countries have one.

          • Gislia Jackson

            “For example, an African-American convicted of a low-level drug crime in Cook County
            is eight times more likely than his white counterpart to face prison.”

            Do “priors” count, stupid?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Why is it that 1) generalizations such as “all blacks” do not qualify as racist?”

          It could be racist, or it could be stereotyping “black” culture. It’s not helpful language, but people get frustrated.

          “Why is it if “blacks are above the law,” that blacks are incarcerated for non-violent offenses at more than twice the rate for whites–and that time and again it has been shown that in practice the criminal justice system is racist?”

          They’re not above the law. They’re abused by leftists and suffer from collectivist policies and propaganda. OTOH, some people are made celebrities to serve the collectivist agenda, and these icons are some times allowed to escape the justice they deserve. Those who support these injustices are being manipulated.

          Blacks to generally suffer from racism, but most of it comes from the people you think are your friends.

          • Harry Black

            Nothing you have written OFM is more benighted than that last sentence. Since your such a busy bee–you must have a lot of time on your hands–dispensing “patience and wisdom” I’ll let you have the last word. I’m busy–and I’ve wasted too much time on your silliness. And no doubt you’ll have that last word–on and on. Stick with the Tea Party refreshment committee. No doubt they’ll appreciate your powerful insights.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            It’s a public forum. If you fail to learn anything I still haven’t wasted my time.

        • Gislia Jackson

          How exactly is the criminal justice system “racist?” The same way IQ tests are “racist?”

          • Harry Black

            Precisely.

          • Gislia Jackson

            Ah. Blacks can’t score at the same level as whites on IQ tests, hence the tests are racist. Blacks are arrested in greater number than whites, because they commit more crimes per capita, hence the criminal justice system is racist.

    • BlueMoney

      George Zimmerman (if acquitted) should move to Idaho or Montana. You’re more likely to see a deer than a black person in either state.
      Oh and, Idaho/Montana respect the right of decent citizens to defend themselves against criminal scumbags. (And the scumbags know it, too. The violent crime rate is next-to-zero in both states!)

  • Charles Martel

    I think everyone is giving the jury too much credit. They were picked due to their inability to logically think through a case and follow evidence. There are members of the jury who probably have the same iq as the star witness for the prosecution. There is no way he will be acquitted. Even if the jury finds him innocent, the judge will overrule and find him guilty on some level. This is the only way to head off major riots and prevent the killing of innocent whites. (I may not have said that accurately. According to most blacks and the media there are o innocent whites. We are all guilty of white privilege, and blacks have been taught for years to hate us. It’s kind of like the Muslims treating all non Muslims as guilty.)

    • Drakken

      5 to 1 odds that Zimmerman gets acquitted.

  • rogerinflorida

    We will be plagued by these threats until they are reacted to. If the threatened populace, largely but not completely the white population, were to react with counterforce the blacks would soon quiet down.

    • Harry Black

      Yup! Those uppity blacks should shut up–NOT!

      • Drakken

        So if the blacks riot, we whites should just sit back and let them?? If they riot there are a lot of folks that will use whatever means necessary to protect themselves and their property.

      • OfficialPro

        I think you have reading comprehension issues. “Quiet down” as in stop being violent, not as in “shut up”. :/

        • Harry Black

          Nothing like nutcase paranoia, rampant now on FrontPage. No blacks have rioted. Very likely no blacks will riot whatever the verdict. Your nightmares probably won’t come true, but your posts betray you. “Blacks” en bloc. “Blacks” as the enemy. “Blacks” as criminals. When it suits you, you claim we live in a post-racial society. Meanwhile, the racism of the Tea Party right looks very much like the racism of the old paleo-conservative right. The only difference is you no longer have the power to shut up those uppity blacks.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “The only difference is you no longer have the power to shut up those uppity blacks.”

            You’re welcome to keep fighting those ghosts until you die. It feels right and that makes you left. I can promise you that your life would be a lot better if you took a far more nuanced approach after waking up to the fact that there are many professional grievance mongers that use contrived accusations the way fishermen use flies.

            I only hope that younger people are not observing your delusional anger. Unfortunately, there are plenty of others around modeling the same destructive behavior with the same destructive attitudes as you.

  • soundnfury

    I wonder what Obama will say to “help” the situation? “The defense acted stupidly”?

  • geneww1938

    Since we know Zimmerman should go free and that riots will happen, why doesn’t the administration and local officials pass legislation to make it a ‘Hate Crime’ if anyone is injured or harassed as a result of the verdict.
    The POTUS wants the riots so he can confiscate legal guns from legal owners and to practice riot control with his DHS army.

    • Black Racism

      I thought the administration was going to make it illegal to protect your own business or your family during the planned riots (planned by the crs of the doj)

    • sk1951

      I just said the same thing above.

      • hyedenny

        lol

    • govogue

      If the POTUS had dignity, character, decency, and loyalty to this country,

      we would not be seeing this enticement to ‘hate’. It is really sad when a ‘leader’ promotes corruption.

  • DVG

    Just a white guy working among predominantly black coworkers expressing a very narrow sample. They haven’t said a peep. The lone Hispanic was vocal about the girlfriend being a low quality person.
    From this narrow sample, no riots. Unless Barry sticks his 2 cents in.
    My other take is Hispanics might be quietly watching. A democrat led lynching in the media will cost them dearly the Hispanic vote.

    • Charles Martel

      That may be true of your work area, but it is not true of the broader thought. All you have to do is check out Facebook where blacks are organizing for riots and twitter.

      • DRA2012

        How is it that we are hearing next to nothing from the larger Hispanic community? They are now a larger demographic in the US than the blacks, and (w/groups like Mara Salvatrucha 13 [MS-13]) has ethnic gangs that are FAR more heavily armed.

        • OfficialPro

          I think a lot of them bought into identity politics and don’t realize Zimmerman is Hispanic himself.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Because they’ve allowed Zimmerman to be “white” for this episode of class warfare.

          Facts don’t matter to collectivists. It’s all theory and manipulation.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “Just a white guy working among predominantly black coworkers expressing a very narrow sample. They haven’t said a peep. The lone Hispanic was vocal about the girlfriend being a low quality person.”

      True. Most people are not troublemakers in the USA. What we’re talking about is using grievances, real and imagined, as political tools. And adding violence at times.

      The actual “classes” are false constructs and don’t truly represent everyone they claim to.

  • Black Racism

    So the media is happiest when ordinary citizens are afraid and unarmed (and not allowed to exit their vehicles or homes in the presence of feral teens) and criminal gangs are armed and unafraid

  • 2Degreesand6FIGUREPAY

    Riots are not going to happen your post and affiliation with ann coulter and using only tweets from 20 idiots on twitter speaks volumes for your lack of social perception on society. To summarize: your an idiot

    • Charles Martel

      Very intellectual observation genius. Here is my juvenile answer to such a comment. Two degrees in women’s and African studies with a 2.0 GPA and a six figure government job.

      Get away from college, if you actually went, and educate yourself. Start with SBPDL.

      • 2Degreesand6FIGUREPAY

        Sure. lol

    • OfficialPro

      Why does someone claiming to have two degrees and 6 figure income use the incorrect grammar for the last sentence? Wrong “your”, dummy. It’s “you’re”.

      Who’s the idiot now?

      • Melinda Craig

        That is a good question, but again why do blacks that have degrees still talk like the inbreed southern hicks ?

        • Joseph P. Martino

          Not all talk that way. Because I’ve spent most of my career in scientific or engineering work, I’ve had to opportunity to work with, to supervise, and to work for educated blacks. Granted, they went through the filter of getting a college degree, so they were definitely from the right side of the bell curve, but they do exist. Do’t slander all blacks because of those from the other half of the bell curve.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            The cultural bell curve?

          • Joseph P. Martino

            No, the intelligence bell curve. It does exist, and denying it is futility. And the simple fact is there are plenty of blacks on the right hand side of it. My last assignment before I retired from the Air Force was as commander of an engineering unit. I had about a hundred engineers and technicians working for me. About a third of them were blacks. They were as good as the rest of those under my command. .

          • objectivefactsmatter

            It is your belief that “blacks” use some form of “Ebonics” when they don’t have sufficient intelligence to speak (what used to be) college level English? Something like that?

            Intelligence is driven more by culture and environmental factors than by genealogy.

        • OfficialPro

          Only the leftist ones do. It’s da ebonics, dey be keepin’ it real yo.

      • GerriAttricks

        Not only that, both degrees are useless. How much use is there for somebody with degrees in women’s and African studies? Why not get a degree in some discipline that leads to a good job and returns a benefit to the country?

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “Riots are not going to happen…”

      Riots never happen. Leftists never inflame racial anger in the class warfare grievance industry.

  • Charles Martel

    Again, if you seriously think he is going to be acquitted you are not following the trial. Here is what happened on Tuesday.

    Judge Debra Nelson instructed the jury to disregard prosecution witness police officer Chris Serino’s testimony that he believed Zimmerman’s story—and Jacksonville medical examiner Valerie Rao, for some reason an Indian immigrant from Madras, controversially testified that Zimmerman’s bloody head wounds were “very insignificant.”)

    • OfficialPro

      Well of course she did, that’s a case of “Objection your honor, that calls for a conclusion”.

  • jewdog

    Now I see the prosecution is trying to minimize the extent of Zimmerman’s injuries. I guess if you’re going to defend yourself with a firearm you have to first make sure that you are going to get clobbered enough to convince a jury that it was self-defense. Makes sense, right?

  • Charles Martel

    Mr. Ahlert, you may have mischaracterized the outcome by stating there will be race riots. The term, “race riot” that has been used throughout the years really means blacks rioting. I cannot recall a recent event when races have been rioting with or against one another in mass. Maybe there are a few whites or Hispanics helping, but the vast majority are blacks doing the rioting. I think it will help if we will drop any attempt at political correctness and simply identify what is occurring. Blacks will riot, and they are calling for such on the web if by a million to one chance Zimmerman is aquitted.

  • tokoloshiman

    innocent until proven guilty seems to take a far back seat to being vilified and tried in the media, not a new thing , but when the race mix is added in it becomes the lefts agenda to prove racism and hate and premeditation long
    before any trial where facts may interrupt the proceedings.

    This brings to mind that poor schlub sitting in jail for the video that supposedly sparked the benghazi massacre.
    Everyone knows the video had zilch to do with the carefully planned and executed terrorist attack on the USA offices in Libya, but what the hell, let the guy rot in prison while that sorry bitch clinton and her fellow lying sickos cry big fat crocodile tears over the needless death of 4 brave Americans.
    they were left stranded in opposition to long standing proud military history.
    a history that is now being flushed down the tubes by obama and his sycophants
    and newly appointed israel bashers jew haters like the lamentable and truly sick
    samantha power and the smirking sneering racist bigot rice.

  • DontMessWithAmerica

    If anything, Obama will egg on the radicals. He has set race relations back by 50 years.

    • lowrah

      Republican are mad that there is no more slavery, Paula Deen and the rest wants it to go back. But it is Obama’s fault – whites say that all the time

      • ARETHEYNUTS

        Republicans had nothing to do with slavery. It was the democrats along with their klan The KKK. You need to read some history books

        • lowrah

          No they did not but they are for it now. STUPID EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN

          • ARETHEYNUTS

            Typical democrat. Call me names because you have no intelligent answer. NOBODY is FOR slavery Except the democrats who continue to keep people dependent on the government for everything. Get off the plantation,it’s time to learn to care for yourself.

          • lowrah

            Well, I do take care of myself you poor excuse for a human. WHITE people are losers and all need to be killed.

          • ARETHEYNUTS

            WOW you really are an angry hateful excuse for a human. I feel sorry for you. I don’t know why you would automatically assume I’m am WHITE simply because I disagree with you. Well, once again your stupidly shows because I’m not. Loose the chip

          • lowrah

            Do you think that this is really important to me. I find it funny that you all can go behind a computer without anyone knowing who you are and say whatever you want but if anyone else does then they have hate in their heart. I LOVE to make you losers mad. Do I think of you at all? NO? DO NOT CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IF YOU ARE ALIVE OR DEAD. You are the who disagree. DIE

          • Drakken

            You first kaffir.

          • lowrah

            Go and leave the country

          • Drakken

            There are more of us than there are of you.

          • lowrah

            Yes, now leave loser. You have screwed every nationality. Indians, like you discovered a land that people lived in and now it is your. You really don’t like Hispanics but you love this one only because he killed someone black. All you want to know is how to get off if you decide to have open season on blacks.

          • Drakken

            What is obvious is that you took the shortbus to school everyday and that your mommy didn’t hung you enough. Your a prime example of our re-education system at its best, uneducated and ignorant beyond reason. Good luck as a fry cook in your new career and keep hating whitey, it will get you far.

          • lowrah

            Again, I am white you F**Ken loser

          • Drakken

            So you admit your a self loathing, self hating, white liberal with an ax to grind? If you hate you own so much, go live in a 3rd world country for awhile and see how spoiled you are.

          • lowrah

            You need to suck your own C**K because you are the stupidest excuse for a human that I have ever wrote to. I am so happy to make you mad because it shows how small minded you are. Go cry and be scared of the world. I hope that someone how thinks just like you is the person who kills you.

          • Drakken

            Oh so your a leftist, self hating, self loathing, white guilt ridden liberal, go figure!

          • lowrah

            Wow . . . you are intelligent aren’t you! I have had fun upsetting you take care and enjoy the support that you will be giving to Zimmerman.

          • lowrah

            Wow, what a joke you are. I have enjoyed upsetting a loser like you. I found out how easy it was. Now take it up the a and enjoy your support that you will be giving to George.

          • Drakken

            You are going to find out that if us whites go, you and yours will be nothing but a 3rd world s***hole. So go for it.

          • lowrah

            Bye . . . Go somewhere else . . . bye and don’t come back

          • Drakken

            You first.

          • lowrah

            You talk about how everyone else is bad other than whites. LEAVE

          • Drakken

            Us Europeans brought the 21st century and all that you enjoy, you 3rd worlders have brought nothing but misery after you come to our shores.

      • OfficialPro

        why would anyone want slavery back?

      • DontMessWithAmerica

        Oh, sure, Loonrah, and they killed Jesus because he was a black man. The Republicans killed him. Hitler was a Republican, too. And the cat who had a bad stutter and didn’t get the audition to be an announcer on the network got turned down because he was black.

      • Drakken

        Oh look, the US education system at its finest. My what a fine product we have produced, a minority with a chip on its shoulder who loves to blame whitey for its own inadequacies.

        • lowrah

          Who is the minority? Because I hate your RACIST that makes me black? That S**T is funny!!

          • Drakken

            Typical leftard, throw out the race card when the the conversation doesn’t go their way or agree with them.

          • lowrah

            You are a loser, you bought the race card saying that I am blaming whitey when I am white. Now I a leftard because you brought the race card. Bend over and take it in the a

  • OfficialPro

    I think I’ll have to hole up on the roof of a Korean convenience store!

    • PopTheLid

      I think we all need to turn Korean if need be, there wouldn’t be a next time.

  • Melinda Craig

    The sad thing about all of this is the fact blacks are once again going to prove their hate for whites. although Zimmerman is more Hispanic the blacks will not talk against the Hispanic community and will use this as an excuse to attack innocent whites. Another sad part of this is the fact whites are much better off moving away from the blacks that use every opportunity to program their youth to hate whites. The racist Sharptons and Jacksons etc along with the Black Panthers do hold the ears of many thousands of black youths that listen to them and form negative op pinons about all whites. Blacks and their leaders have effectively found a method to silence the white voice that is terrified of being called racist while they watch the blacks continue to show their hate for them. Blacks would have more credibility if they were no using this trial as an excuse to attack innocent whites and instead attacked the Hispanics as well.

    • lowrah

      White are never innocent . . . just pay for Zimmerman for the rest of his life. He has no life anymore. If he goes to jail he will be KILLED. If he goes free then he will be in hiding for the rest of his life. No employer will ever hire him.

      • OfficialPro

        whites are never innocent? Isn’t that a bigoted thing to say?

        • lowrah

          have you read this column. What only you can say things? I LOVE getting you all mad.

  • Melinda Craig

    What if Martin was white and Z black and testimony indicated he had said there is a creepy A$$ “N” or coon or monkey following me around, I don”t think he would be protected like this little thug. And Sharpton said whites do not understand the black culture, but it is apparent blacks can use any derogatory wording towards they want, they really show their true colors. Again they would be having a field day if a white had used such language on the stand. To bad he did not say some creepy @$$ w@tb@ck was following him. I wonder how the Hispanic community would feel if blacks were saying they will target innocent Hispanics if the trail does not go their way like they are talking about whites.

  • Melinda Craig

    President Obama will do nothing to stop the black hate of the demon and devil whites, why do you think he spent 20 years listening to the racist wright? Why do you think he says he will stand behind his Muslim brothers. The president is in the group that hates whites, he just suckered the most ignorant ones into voting for him so he could stab them in the back.

  • Melinda Craig

    I am wondering how much pressure and threats the blacks are putting on the white jurors? Probably telling them this is their chance to prove they are not racist or telling them if they do not convict him then they are racist. One thing for sure blacks already have their minds made up and they all stick together as a family no matter what.

    • lowrah

      They are not threatened you loser. They are not shown on TV, they have a guard and they are being put up on the state for however long this take without TV, Internet or Radio. No one wants the jury

      • Melinda Craig

        How do you know the black jurors r not making threats to the non black jurors? Or at minimum putting pressure on them.

        • lowrah

          There are no black jurors, that is the reason STUPID GIRL

  • bluffcreek1967

    What does it tell you about American blacks when so many of them always want to riot whenever things don’t quite go their way? Blacks continue to prove, as they never fail to do, that they are savages, uncivilized, and deeply ignorant people. We have judged them based on their consistent character, and this is why so many whites avoid them and remain suspicious of them. It’s not ‘racist’ to do so either – it’s something they’ve earned.

    • lowrah

      You are a RACIST. Just take care of the Zimmerman’s for the rest of their life. They won’t be able to get another job and if he goes to jail, he will be dead within a year.

      • BlueMoney

        If he moves to a state with a low yard ape population, he should be okay. Although I do agree he’s dead meat if he goes to prison. Other than that, your argument fails.

        • lowrah

          This is going to be interesting to see what happens. Like I said if he goes to jail he will be killed. If he gets out his life will be like Casey Anthony’s life.

    • Melinda Craig

      You are right about why many whites avoid blacks when they are in a private surrounding. To blacks the conversation will always at some point turn to race, blacks can not function without turning things into race. And of course with all the bulling in school by blacks and the black mob violence they continue to prove how unsafe it is for whites to be in their neighborhoods or send children to school with them.

    • OfficialPro

      well, the ones that are taken in by leftist ideas or even Identity Politics, at least. Conservative ones do not do these things.

      • bluffcreek1967

        Well, to a certain extent, yes. But how many black conservatives are there really? Relatively few compared to the overwhelming majority who are liberal and haters of the white man. There’s also a large population of blacks who are non-political. They don’t have any interest in conservative vs liberal politics. However, when pressed, they always side with their liberal ‘brothas.’

        There’s an important point that’s often missed as well. Numerous blacks who identified as conservatives actually voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 because, whether we like it or not, much of this comes down to race. Many of these blacks did not want to go down in history as persons who failed to vote for the first black president.

        Truth is, whites need to stop fawning over black conservatives and stop looking to them as some political heroes. When push comes to shove, black conservatives will in large numbers do what’s in the best interest of their race. White should do the same.

        • lowrah

          You are full of S**T

  • cj

    A good analysis of the situation….as usual, our president is trying to ‘fundamentally transform America’ by abetting this situation.

  • EarlyBird

    And if there are no riots, neither Ahlert or FPM will make an apology for sliming the entire African-American population. They’ll just move on to the next sliming.

    • moovova

      Wow… so you can tell the future. That’s great.

      Any advice on how Curve Ball will do in the 5th at Aqueduct?

      • EarlyBird

        Ahlert is the one predicting riots, fool.

        • moovova

          Read your own comment EarlyTurd…you’re predicting certain actions.

          “And if there are no riots, neither Ahlert or FPM will make an apology for sliming the entire African-American population. They’ll just move on to the next sliming.

          • EarlyBird

            Yes. I’m doing a bit of prediction myself. Now let’s see who’s predictions come true.
            I predict that Zimmerman will (appropriately) be found innocent.
            I predict there will be very loud denunciations and protests from angry, misguided black Americans.
            I predict there will be no “riots” as predicted by Ahlert.
            And I am as certain as the sun sets in the West that Ahlert and FPM won’t have a split second of reconsideration of their predictions, and surely won’t apologize for pre-emptively sliming the entire African-American population for riots they never engage in.

    • OfficialPro

      Oh, so the LA Riots never happened?

      I will guarantee you that there would have been riots had OJ Simposon been convicted.

    • OfficialPro

      who said anything about the *entire* AA population? Of course it wouldn’t be, it would just be the gang bangers and wannabes.

  • sk1951

    What will they riot about? What is the reason? Because an innocent man was found innocent? If they “know” this is going to happen it is unconscionable for the city and states to not declare a curfew and to warn that any one caught in a riot will be prosecuted for a hate crime and punished to the full extent of the law. 20 years min.

    • bluffcreek1967

      They’ll riot not because an innocent man was found innocent, but because a perceived white man (Zimmerman’s actually Hispanic) who was truly innocent was not found guilty and punished. Blacks don’t need a reason to riot and express their hatred for the white man.

      • lowrah

        The original police report shows Zimmerman as White. You all sit behind your computer scared to death of life. I hope something happens to you and you life is taken from you

        • OfficialPro

          because the original police are so racist they can’t tell a white person from a hispanic person! ;)

          • lowrah

            You are so STUPID that you don’t know the difference.

        • BlueMoney

          Right back atcha, you muppet.

      • govogue

        “Father, forgive them……for they know not what they do.”

  • sk1951

    Bigotry and racist are alive and well…in the hearts of all minorities. Minorities can’t be racist by today’s PC standards.

  • sk1951

    They may find him guilty to stop the riots and let it go to appeal where it will be over turned.

  • DaCoachK

    Zimmerman must go as the “Diversity-is-our-strength” meme dictates. He is the closest thing to a white guy in this charade, so he must be sacrificed.

  • James Milb

    This case was lost the moment they charged with 2nd degree murder instead of manslaughter. Proving beyond a reasonable doubt that this is 2nd degree murder is impossible given the lack of evidence + the evidence in Zimmermans favor (such as his numerous injuries). He is obviously not a cold blooded murder—- I can’t believe this stupid case went to trial. WE claim to not negotiate with terrorists, but then our system buckles under the threats & pressure of these lunatics trying to start a race war

  • Arf

    George Zimmerman is a good man who defended himself against a violent thug attacking him. He was saddened by Martin’s death and expressed remorse. I think few people would behave as honorably as Zimmerman. I support him and I hope that he is allowed to live in peace.

    • lowrah

      His life is over no matter what. Be available to take care of him for the rest of his life. Do you see Casey Anthony in public?

  • Ellman48

    “…the real reason for bringing this case to trial was to assuage the
    media-driven concerns of the racial grievance industry, led by chief
    arsonists Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Shamefully aiding and abetting
    them is the racially polarized Justice Department led by Attorney
    General Eric Holder.”

    Therefore, if rioting, destruction, injury and death result from an acquittal of the defendant then Mr. Sharpton, Mr. Jackson, Mr. Holder and Mr. Obama (Trayvon’s adopted father) will bear the responsibility. Interesting how the chaos and misery which these people cause they turn around and blame on others, getting a pass every time from the liberal, corrupt, dishonest MSM. This trial was not necessary. They made it so for political reasons and now people will suffer because of their irresponsible, malicious malfeasance. This is no longer a country one can be proud of. And it’s becoming more shameful and disgraceful with each generation. The day is coming when Americans will start crossing the border into Mexico for asylum and jobs.

  • Ellman48

    “He further notes that even as the DOJ abetted the mob demanding racial
    justice in Florida, it did absolutely nothing about New Black Panther
    leader Mikhail Muhammad, who put a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman’s head and called for the mobilization of 10,000 black men to capture him.”

    Who is ‘slave’ and who is ‘master’ now? I know the answer but each of you will have to figure it out for yourself. I won’t try to convince you. If you don’t see the truth then there’s nothing I can do to help you.

  • Ellman48

    “The message here is clear: either Zimmerman is found guilty, irrespective of the evidence, or the country will burn.”

    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/a-zimmerman-verdict-and-looming-race-riots/?utm_source=FrontPage+Magazine&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=12d2a62c1d-Mailchimp_FrontPageMag&utm_term=0_57e32c1dad-12d2a62c1d-156423089

    My
    wife and I live in a predominantly black neighborhood. I am Caucasian and she is Chinese. For that reason
    this case and its consequences concern me greatly. Should we disappear
    after the verdict is announced I am providing you with advance notice of
    one possibility to explain the disappearance. We all live in a country
    which is no longer safe and race relations is one of the biggest reasons
    for the greater insecurity and danger. Obama and Holder have not
    brought us together. They have wedged us further apart than we were
    after the Civil War.

    There was no reason whatsoever to have this
    trial. It resulted from the agitation of those who want to make race an
    eternal divisive issue in this nation because it advances their
    political causes and their personal ambitions. Until Americans denounce
    Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric Holder, the ACLU, and all the leftist
    activists who want to condemn and demean white people in this country we
    will never have peace, racial equality, racial harmony, or social
    justice. White people have to say “We’ve had enough and we’re not taking
    any more!” Abandon the guilt and the political correctness, the chains
    of slavery and inferiority! Or watch your children and grandchildren live in servitude and self-condemnation as you do now.

    • OfficialPro

      i would advise you find shelter on the roof of a Korean (or other azn) owned convenience store. Make sure they’re guarding with AK-47’s or at least Mini-14s.

  • Ellman48

    “Obviously, there is one man who could go a long way toward defusing this
    entire scenario should he choose to do so. President Barack Obama could
    rise above the fray and explain to every American that our system of
    justice means nothing if the threat of violence can corrupt the verdict
    of a murder trial. The President could make it clear that violent
    outbursts of any kind are absolutely unacceptable and attempt to defuse
    an already tense environment. He won’t, however, because race riots are
    good for the Democratic Party. They fire up the base. It’s what the
    whole show was for.”

    Amen Arnold! You most definitely understand the evil dynamics and the sordid, contemptible motivations of the perpetrators!

  • dizzyizzy

    Many persons do not know the history of the word “race” and how it has been abused. See http://clarespark.com/2013/07/02/groupiness-group-think-and-race/. “Groupiness, group-think, and “race.”

  • ziggy zoggy

    If race riots erupt, it will be politically correct White lefties – all unarmed – who suffer the most. Well, after the Blacks, of course. Conservative Whites will outshoot them and the Mexicans and other Latins will actively hunt them down.
    The left-wing narrative about Blacks and Latins being united against a White oppressor has always been a lie. Both groups hate each other and the Latins have been purging neighborhoods of Blacks for 20 years and counting. Racist Blacks are united in nothing but hatred. Mexicans are united by “la raza,” and they will stand together against any aggression.
    Law abiding Blacks won’t face much of a backlash because very few Whites are racist and the Latins will target criminals.
    This is all very clear to any American who understands his neighbors.

    • lowrah

      Very few white are racist . . . now that is funny

      • Drakken

        Look in the mirror shortbus, you will see an anti-white kaffir of the first order.

        • lowrah

          Look who is talking. Go KILL yourself.

          • Drakken

            Come on and make me Sparky. I’ll be your huckleberry.

          • lowrah

            Oh did you just watch Tombstone? Take it in the a like you always do

  • handsomedan

    THE BLACK PANTHERS ARE IDIOTS !!!!!!

  • kenfrombayside

    For the real truth on what goes on in America, google irateirishman.

  • ibetraybon

    I hope they blacks do riot after Zimmerman is found not guilty and absolved of any wrong doing. This will expose them as the stupid, violent, lazy animals that they are. If they do riot, we should not rebuild any of their homes. Compensate the shop owners that are looted and make them whole, but give nothing to those who cause the riot. In fact, in the riot zone we should cut off the residents there from section 8 housing, welfare, food stamps, medicaid, and any other taxpayer funded benefits they receive. We can use the money we save to compensate the business owners who are damaged by the riots. Also do not allow them to relocate. Force them to disclose they are rioters with the threat of 20 years in prison if they do not. Also, no medical aid of any kind to any rioter who is injured.

  • lowrah

    Are you Zimmerman supporters ready to support him for the rest of his life? If he goes to jail he will be KILLED. If he is let go, he will go into hiding like Casey Anthony. He and his family will have you supporters send him money for the rest of their life because they will never be able to get a job. Who wants what will come with him and put other employees in danger. Just open your money bags and support forever

    • BlueMoney

      Zimmerman needs to move to a state where black people are few, and not very well liked when they do appear. A number of Mountain West and North Midwest states fit the bill.
      When they are few in number, blacks are pretty well-behaved.

      • lowrah

        GREAT . . . I hope you get what you want. He will be your Casey Anthony

  • Adam L.

    Our Dumbo-earred Kenyan leader Obama WANTS a Zimmerman acquittal. That way he can point to it in 2014 and say, “Look at what these racist honkeys have done! Throw them out and elect more liberal Democrats WHO WILL PROTECT YOU!”

    • lowrah

      what a loser you are. Grow UP

  • Jazzee

    where is the outrage for Chicago? this past weekend 11 killed 70 injured
    two children injured not sure if they died
    all we hear is dead silence wonder why??????????????????????????/
    but Sandy Hook that has been used and so have the families for an evil purpose
    meanwhile all these killings and injuries in Chicago and the flash mobs
    we hear nothing………………

  • Bea Houseoffashion

    Zimmerman is going to jail. No race riots needed,

  • Melinda Craig

    Maybe blacks should remember that zimmerman is hispanic when they start kiling folks they can start there, can any one fathom the media calling zimmerman a black hispanic (if his skin was a lot darker?) blacks really do want an excuse to kill some cr@ckers and that is al this is about

  • Unkleray

    After reading the posts on this, this is the perfect example of “let’s hold the judicial system hostage to meet our agenda.”
    Today there will be thousands of cases tried across America and the jury will decide the outcome…
    Win or lose, good or bad, innocent or guilty,
    Almost all of them will result in one side or the other not agreeing with the outcome…. But they probably won’t threaten to riot…
    We have to step above the “Hatred”…..
    You are the first step in changing the world….
    If you think that riots and violence are the answer, then these posts can’t change that….
    Ask yourself this….. Is this about one man getting shot with possible racial overtones or is this about hatred that has gone on for decades and perpetuated by people that have political issues…
    If there was no racism, what would these people do for a living?
    Rioting and violence leads to more hatred….

  • ytdontplay

    American blacks remind me of little children, when they don’t get their way, they throw a fit.

  • quillerm

    This is what happens when a Political Party’s Main Strategy for holding Power is fostering racial hatred wherever the need arises. Obama, Holder, and their agents in the liberal media Want Riots, Intimidation, threats, etc., to be the Law of the Land. The NYT even created a new Racial Category of White-Hispanic so targeting of innocent civilians will be easier for rampaging mobs.

  • poetcomic1

    I reached my breaking point with the American State Media when this first started and for two weeks we were bombarded with the same adorable ‘little boy’ picture of Trayvon next to the ugliest mug shot picture of Zimmerman. It was too obvious and crude even for the old Soviet Pravda.

  • Kenneth Davis

    if he does not have half of mexican blood count on mexicans sitting this one out in jail

  • muslimmustgo

    And obama is still fanning the flames of racial hatred,anyone hear his whoa is trayvon opinion today!!