Obama’s Amnesty: An Attack on the Poor

Arnold Ahlert is a former NY Post op-ed columnist currently contributing to JewishWorldReview.com, HumanEvents.com and CanadaFreePress.com. He may be reached at atahlert@comcast.net.


Last Friday, the so-called “comprehensive immigration reform” effort received a boost when U.S. Chamber of Commerce head Tom Donohue and AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka reportedly came to an agreement regarding a guest-worker program. The deal indicates that one of the bill’s major stumbling blocks — the worry that a flood of unskilled, low-wage workers would crowd poorer Americans out of the job market — has apparently been overcome. Politically speaking, it has. For low-skill, low-wage Americans, however, it is an economic disaster-in-the-making. And though Democrats are once again casting themselves as the champions of beleaguered minority groups for pursuing this legislation, it is American blacks and Hispanics — the communities that suffer from some of the nation’s highest unemployment rates — who will pay the price for the Left’s amnesty folly.

report published in 2011 by the Federation for Immigration Reform (FAIR) made the case that illegal aliens were already competing with Americans for jobs, especially in the low-wage, low-skilled category. “Immigration, Poverty and Low-Wage Earners: The Harmful Effect of Unskilled Immigrants on American Workers,” revealed that of the 1.1 million legal immigrants admitted to this country on an annual basis, less that 6 percent “possessed skills deemed essential to the U.S. economy.”  “Some family-based immigrants may be highly educated or skilled, but the vast majority of admissions are made without regard for those criteria,” the report stated. “The immigrant population reflects the system’s lack of emphasis on skill. Nearly 31 percent of foreign-born residents over the age of 25 are without a high school diploma, compared to just 10 percent of native-born citizens.”

FAIR spokesman Ira Mehlman illuminated the implications of adding a pathway to citizenship for illegals into the mix, explaining that “they will still be unskilled and poorly educated. The only difference is they will be legally able to stay here. They will file a tax return and will be able to claim all sorts of benefits,” he added. Mehlman was challenged by the Chamber of Commerce. “Immigrants do not ‘steal’ jobs from American workers,” a report titled “Immigration Myths and Facts” stated. “Immigrants come to the United States to fill jobs that are available, or to establish their own businesses.”

FAIR noted the absurdity of such a statement, contending that “there is no such thing as an ‘immigrant job.’ The reality is that immigrants and natives compete for the same jobs and native workers are increasingly at a disadvantage because employers have access to a steady supply of low-wage foreign workers.”

Last Tuesday, Black Entertainment Television (BET) founder Bob Johnson inadvertently confirmed FAIR’s assessment of the jobs front with regard to black Americans. He noted that their unemployment rate is double the national average. Johnson claimed the challenge was to find out why that level was so high. A poll commissioned by Johnson revealed that 50 percent of blacks blame the “failure of the education system,” while 48 percent believe a “lack of corporate commitment to hiring minorities” is to blame. The truth is that low-skill workers, who are produced by poor education, are the most vulnerable during times of economic hardship, and unemployment rates reflect this. An influx of unskilled labor only stands to make the job market less hospitable for those blacks who are economically marginalized.

Not that this matters to Sen. Charles Schumer, who mediated the deal between Donohue and Trumka. “With the agreement between business and labor, every major policy issue has been resolved,” he said.

The deal creates a new “W’’ visa category aimed at low-skill workers. It would allow immigrants to earn the same wages paid to Americans, or an industry’s prevailing wages, whichever is higher. Since such wages can vary from city to city, the Labor Department would determine the prevailing wage. The proposal also includes the additional promises of border security, a crackdown on employers who hire illegals, and a 13-year pathway to citizenship for the millions of illegal aliens currently in the country.

It’s the oh-so-familiar promises that ought to infuriate Americans well aware that the exact same promises about border control and a crackdown on businesses were made when the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act was passed into law. The one notable difference is that 2.7 million illegal immigrants were granted amnesty immediately under that version of “comprehensive immigration reform” — reform that was supposed to solve the problem once and for all.

Since the other two promises were broken with impunity, the resulting effects were easily predictable. If one believes the media-promoted estimates, more than 11 million illegals will be granted the right to remain in the United States this time around. Remarkably, that same media has failed to ask a single politician in either party a simple question, but one with profound implications for the nation: what if those estimates are wrong? Would the bipartisan “Gang of Eight” working to make this deal a reality have any reservations if the number of illegals about to be placed on the pathway to citizenship numbered 20 million–or higher? Would the millions of unemployed and underemployed Americans, especially low-skill workers in direct competition with these immigrants for jobs, buy into the idea promoted by activist groups and business, along with their newfound allies in labor, that such mass legalization won’t affect their chances of finding a job?

report from the Hamilton Project, an economic policy initiative of the nonpartisan Brookings Institution, tried to put a happy face on the prospects for all American workers, contending that the influx of immigrants would increase overall wages between 0.1 and 0.6 percent. Yet it was forced to concede that low-skill American workers would be afflicted by a wage decrease of  up to 4.7 percent.

Nonetheless, the Huffington Post contends that low-skill American workers should support reform regardless. Their rationale is that while newly documented immigrants would compete for low-skill jobs now, once they become citizens, they would pursue better paying employment, lessening the competition, and giving immigrant workers more money to spend, supporting the economy. In other words, as the bill now stands, low-skill Americans have to wait “only” 13 years before their quest for a low-skill job becomes easier. Meanwhile, since our underlying immigration problems will remain unaddressed, a steady flow of legal and illegal low-skill immigrants should be expected in perpetuity.

Last week, Sen. Jeff Session cut through some of the nonsense being peddled by the pro-amnesty campaign. “We have an immigration policy that says we have jobs but we don’t have enough workers,” he said. “That is what the businesses are telling us. We don’t have enough workers. They all ought to add … ‘And by the way, you need to give more welfare and more aid to people who don’t have jobs.’ Now, what is the disconnect there?”

He continued. “We need to be protecting American citizens who are here, out of work, and hurting today–minorities, Blacks and Whites and all colors and races that are hurting today with high unemployment, but we seem to be more focused on how we can ram through this Senate a bill that would legalize millions and create an even more robust guest worker program. There are not enough jobs now. Give me a break.”

Despite this reality, some kind of bill seemingly remains on track. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) sought to downplay the ostensible progress, noting that a “final product will require it to be properly submitted for the American people’s consideration, through the other 92 senators from 43 states that weren’t part of this initial drafting process.” He further noted that a “rush to legislate…would be fatal to the effort of earning the public’s confidence.”

If the economy remains the public’s number one concern, such confidence may never materialize. In the middle of 2012, a report by the McKinsey Global Institute revealed that between 90 and 95 million low-skill workers could be permanently jobless by 2020. Meanwhile, the nation’s labor force participation rate continues to decline, and the number of part-time employees continues to increase, to almost one-in-five workers. Furthermore, the New York Times reveals that “since 2008, 3.1 million new jobs have been created for college graduates as 4.3 million jobs have disappeared for high-school graduates and those without a high school diploma.” The paper further contends this divergence “will only continue, and even become more sharply defined.”

“Comprehensive immigration reform” will import millions of low-skill workers into America, even as millions of illegal alien, low-skill workers already here will be put on a pathway to citizenship. Obama, Democrats, and more than a few Republicans terrified by the political ramifications of walking away from a deal, will get behind a plan that apparently ignores basic economics: if you have more of something — like an over-abundance of low-skill workers — each one of those workers will be “worth” less.

For years, Americans have complained about jobs being “outsourced.” For low-skill American workers, a terrifying new reality has emerged: if anything resembling the current agreement is passed, increasing numbers of jobs will be “in-sourced.”

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  • κατεργάζομαι

    Git yer cotton pickn' hands OFF MY Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) CARD!

  • κατεργάζομαι

    .
    Q: The Gang of Eight (Bipartisan senators working on a broad immigration overhaul )
    decide to jump off a building; – who lands first?

    A: Who cares?

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "A: Who cares?"

      I care how high the building is.

      • κατεργάζομαι

        good one.
        Q: Why doesn’t Mexico & Latin American countries have any Olympic teams?
        A: Because everyone who can run, jump and swim is already in the U.S. collecting welfare.

  • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

    The bottom and middle rung get socked, whenever leftists scheme. The most galling part is their insistence that they are only trying to help the "average" and underprivileged, all the while they are cementing TOTAL control – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/01/leftist-dogma

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel http://adinakutnicki.com/about/

    • EarlyBird

      And this has an effect on Israelis?

  • Chezwick

    Illegal immigration has repressed wage-inflation in America for at least three decades. Consumers and businesses benefit, workers suffer. This is reality.

    One thing I've noticed over the years….illegals have less access to the welfare state and are thus more inclined towards work and the work ethic. Once they become citizens (like Puerto Ricans), they often lose the work ethic and become dependent on public assistance.

    Amnesty's repercussions will be every bit as political as economic. It's pretty obvious how most of these new citizens will vote. The goal of course is the creation of a permanent Democratic majority. And our aging population and accompanying ethno/cultural transformation is the demographic corollary to our fiscal decline.

    No sir….not a lot of reasons to be sanguine about the future.

  • Mary Sue

    Plus illegal immigrants are more likely to vote Communist!

    • Whateverman

      Where? in the Soviet Union?

      • IMHomo

        No, here in America voting for Democrats is the same thing as voting for a Communist. Duh.

        • Questions

          First, they have to become citizens. And research shows a great many don't bother with that formality.

          Illegals come here mainly for higher wages so they can wire a large portion back home. Congress needs to oppose amnesty not because beneficiaries will "vote Democratic" (the Ann Coulter fetish), but because they have no business being here in the first place. In other words, even if the to-be-naturalized immigrants among them were to vote overwhelmingly Republican, amnesty STILL would be a rotten idea.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            In Chicago you don't even have to be alive to vote. Get real.

          • Questions

            Maybe if people like you spent less time obsessing over "Chicago" (i.e., Obama territory), you might get reality. I've spent more than a decade fighting high levels of immigration, whether legal or not. Even majority-liberal jurisdictions can only get away with so much.

            The ultimate issue is cultural, not political. Even Hispanic citizens have low turnouts compared to native-born whites. But in large numbers, they are radically transforming this country into something nearly unrecognizeable.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Questions, why do you think I should overlook all history and logic on this in order to have a debate on it?

            Obama is from Chicago, and his advisors understand and use that chicago machine mind set. Why do you think you overlook that and understand this administration?

      • STEVEN CHAVEZ

        Go to cpusa dot org and link onto their People's World online news site and tell me the difference between their talking points and those of the Democrats.

        For the fun of it, google "CPUSA CONVENTIONS" and add some Democrat Senators and Congressmen. They can reach out to Communists, be guest speakers, have meetings with them, etc… but they can't reach across the isle to those "Tea Party sons-a-bitc-hes!"

        • EarlyBird

          Go to the John Birch Society's page and let me know how it differs from the "conservatives" on this site. Or rather, go back to the old archives of the John Birchers of the '50s and tell me the difference between them and the right wingers on this board. The only difference is they hated Jews back then.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Birchers want no government interference.
            The 'right wingers' here want the constitutional limits on government.

            Local control with local power at a state level as the founders intended.

            Early, you just can't help yourself. You end up on the wrong side of every issue.

          • EarlyBird

            John Birchers wants all sorts of big government and limits, on everyone but themselves. Sounds a lot like the "conservatives" on this site.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, they don't.
            They want people to accept responsibility and remove the need for government. It's classic libertarianism as opposed to the new version which demands freedoms but not the accompanying responsibility.

          • JacksonPearson

            Progressives = Criminal Enterprise

          • JacksonPearson

            What exactly wrong with being conservative, and wanting:
            Smaller government;
            Lower Taxes;
            And a responsible Congress?
            Those are pretty solid values, or do you think differently?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "John Birchers wants all sorts of big government and limits, on everyone but themselves. Sounds a lot like the "conservatives" on this site."

            Limits on encroachment of constitutional liberties. Mr. brainless contrarian.

          • EarlyBird

            You again?

          • Drakken

            He really does get under your progressive skin doesn't he? You just really hate all those facts and logic over your feelings and emotions.

          • EarlyBird

            General,

            Even you deal with facts more than Objective Facts (wow, what an ironic name!). The dude is ridiculous.

            I have to admit it's a guilty pleasure confronting his "facts" with reality, and watching how quickly they collapse and are exposed as just lazy, comforting assumptions, biases and fantasies. I almost feel like I'm beating up on him too much.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I have to admit it's a guilty pleasure confronting his "facts" with reality, and watching how quickly they collapse and are exposed as just lazy, comforting assumptions, biases and fantasies. I almost feel like I'm beating up on him too much."

            This comment reminds me to ask how long they've been able to provide you with Internet access to your home in Bizarro world?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You again?"

            No.

          • joe

            Go to the KKK sites and look how they were created by democrats and sound like NOI,Muslims ,NBPP,Sharpton,Jackson,ACLU,SPLC,USPA,La Razza…..

  • davarino

    And McCain called Ted Cruz a whacko bird? We have the old gaurd whacko birds running the republican party.

  • Whateverman

    Why do I doubt that you or FPM care about minorities or poor people, Arnie?

    • reader

      Why don't you ask if anybody cares what you do or don't doubt? You're a troll.

    • Gislef

      Projection?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      Enough to explain things.

      And you?

    • Drakken

      Still running your mouth I see huh bloody wog?

    • Every Man

      @ Whateverman

      My spouse is a minority and thus my children are too. I have for more faith in Arnie (Arnold Ahlert) than you.

      But you are a leftist. Some animals are more equal than other animals is part of your playbook. I have seen this in action. That is just an example of your bad ways.

    • JacksonPearson

      Remove all of your doubts, because Front Page Magazine truths will set you free?

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Why do I doubt that you or FPM care about minorities or poor people, Arnie?"

      Because you're an indoctrinated freakazoid.

  • Brujo Blanco

    Where is it written or guaranteed that aliens, legal or illega, will be paying taxes. There are illegals now that are working under the table and on the dole at the same time. Why would they give that up? If you are working under the table you are officially unemployed. Once the illegals become citizens they will then have the ability to.sponsor family members to immigrate. When Verizon came to my neighborhood to install lines it was. an all Hispanic crew. The Verizon employee advised that the crew was all illegals and they do not use legal labor. I thought hiring based on racial.and.ethnic lines was against the law. These employers are running an operation wherein they have to cook the books. They are not going to have a truthful accounting as to the funds expended on.illegal labor. I cannot see amnesty changing this. This whole.situation is corrupt.

    • EarlyBird

      Good questions, Brujo. I've heard so many times that "illegals pay taxes." How?! Except for sales taxes, how are they even on the government's radar to pay taxes of any kind? I'd really love to know.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "Good questions, Brujo. I've heard so many times that "illegals pay taxes." How?! Except for sales taxes, how are they even on the government's radar to pay taxes of any kind? I'd really love to know."

        You heartless right wing lunatics hate everyone. How dare you encourage such hateful questions.

  • STEVEN CHAVEZ

    IF YOU AGREE WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, YOU AGREE WITH "MODERN DAY SLAVERY!"

    They come here "to do the jobs Americans won't do" but isn't that the same reason AFRICAN SLAVES were brought here? Since they have been coming here for decades now, they are now taking jobs THAT AMERICANS WILL DO and worse, they get under-the-table cash PAYING NO TAXES which would then pay for our infrastructure and help with all the freebies they are getting including HEALTH CARE which forced health care companies to pass on their costs to taxpayers.

    NOW THEIR CHILDREN are overrunning fast food restaurants and making a career out of it when our teens can't find that first job. EVERY MCDONALD'S here in Albuquerque are run my Mexicans. One local pizza chain, Dions, hires teens and not one Mexican. Is this discrimination or are they following the law?

    THEN YOU HAVE THE CPUSA, AND THEIR FRONTS, demanding the rise in MINIMUM WAGE, which they now call "LIVING WAGE" and all for their ILLEGAL AMIGOS, FAMILIES/DREAMERS!

    THE EXPORT OF OUR DOLLARS! These illegals from all jobs, EXPORT a major portion of their dollars back to their home country which means they're not spending it here. WE EXPORT $$$ TO OPEC. WE EXPORT $$$ TO CHINA, INDIA, EVERYWHERE!

    WAKE UP AMERICA! Can't you see that their DREAM IS AMERICA'S NIGHTMARE???

    • Questions

      How do you explain the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other cheap-labor business groups enthusiastically supporting amnesty?

      • davarino

        whats your point?

        • Questions

          My point is that business groups, like ethnic, church and labor groups, are among the biggest boosters of Third World mass immigration. Their desire for cheap labor overrides their sense of patriotism. Maybe you can read up on the subject at vdare.com and other patriotic websites.

          That's my point.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            But not illegal immigration. They want an organized legal system in most cases.

          • stevef

            I agree….international capital has no interest in national culture or sovernty.

          • joe

            Because they are all democrats

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "My point is that business groups, like ethnic, church and labor groups, are among the biggest boosters of Third World mass immigration. Their desire for cheap labor overrides their sense of patriotism. Maybe you can read up on the subject at vdare.com and other patriotic websites."

            Communist indoctrination. They've been lied to about simple models of economics that overlook realities that will destroy their plans before they realize any benefits. Without communist ideology tainting the USA culture, we'd probably not only be a lot stronger as a nation but we'd have a lot more credibility when we try to teach other nations and cultures how to model themselves after our successes.

            The communists f-ed us and their agents are those who follow their leftist indoctrination.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "How do you explain the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other cheap-labor business groups enthusiastically supporting amnesty?"

        Corrupt politicians.

    • JacksonPearson

      "IF YOU AGREE WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, YOU AGREE WITH "MODERN DAY SLAVERY!"

      That's true, plus the democrats want a continuous source of low info voters to manipulate.

  • historyscoper

    If FAIR really wanted to be fair it would admit that Mexicans are here to stay in the New World, and the de facto apartheid foisted on them by white supremacist USA 160 years ago is the great injustice driving everything else. Sure, low-paid Mexican workers want to jump the border to get low-paid jobs in the U.S., despite stealing them from low-paid American workers. But why aren't there more jobs in Mexico in the first place? Answer: because Mexico's govt. sucks, and the whole country is a failed dependent runt state that shouldn't even exist. Instead, the U.S. should invite the Mexican people to scrap it in return for reorganizing as 10 new U.S. states, allowing southward as well as northward migration, letting freedom solve all the injustices and pump up the economy in all 60 states.

    Only I have a bipartisan 7-step plan for Congress to do it in years. When when when? How much moose hockey will both major parties churn out until they unite on the MEGAMERGE DISSOLUTION SOLUTION and put this problem behind us, making a weakness into a strength?
    http://tinyurl.com/megamergeblog

    • EarlyBird

      Well, you get credit for creativity, Historyscoper!

    • stevef

      Or we could send the Mehicanos home and replace them with Asians….and see the growth and not the death of the Republic.

    • joe

      Mexico's unemployment is 4.4%.They have socialized healthcare,free education and are the 3rd fastest growing industrial economy

  • EarlyBird

    We are in the situation like having a hole in a boat (the border). Until we fix the hole in the boat, nothing we do to normalize illegals here (amnesty, legal wages, etc.) will do anything to keep more illegals from coming over and undercutting those previously illegals' (and other workers') wages by working for lower than legal wage, etc.

    We must have serious border security and serious punishment of employers who bring on illegals. Once that's done, only then can we finally come up with a solution of what to do with illegals here.

    But brace yourself: ANY actual solution to illegal immigration WILL include some form of amnesty for the 11 million illegals here already. There is simply no practical ability to ship all 11 million of them home. None. So, suck that up.

    • reader

      "There is simply no practical ability to ship all 11 million of them home. None."

      And this compels you to grant them citizenship? How ingenious. How about cutting them off from all sorts of public assistance? You'd be surprised at the speed with which they'd head to the border.

      • EarlyBird

        Who said anything about granting them citizenship?

        • reader

          Because, without the proverbial "path to citizenship", there's no point in any reform. Just enforce the border security, for crying out loud.

          • EarlyBird

            Complain to those who want said "path to citizenship." Thats not my idea. But there's no point in reforming immigration without it? How so?

            Why couldn't we fix the border, bludgeon employers who employ illegals, AND make the ones currently here legal to live and work here? That doesn't require a "path to citizenship." In fact, make it so that if they commit any felony they ARE still immediately deported.

            There are plenty of immigrants who live and die here and never become citizens.

          • reader

            "Why couldn't we fix the border, bludgeon employers who employ illegals, AND make the ones currently here legal to live and work here? "

            Yeah, why? The laws are on the books already, aren't they? Oh, I remember. Because Obama and the Democrats refuse to uphold these laws.

          • EarlyBird

            The Republicans, the party of profits and business, have never upheld those laws either.

            Don't fool yourself: business wins by having a pool of cheap labor they can pay under the table, under the legal minimum wage, without benefits or rights. Business pays off both Republicans and Dems. Republicans are all about business.

          • reader

            Yes, some Republicans are in bed with Obama on this, no question about that. So, what's your point? Unless you enforce existing laws, you don't solve anything. What Obama and Democrats are essentially pushing is open borders policy to import Democrat voters. Everything else is – as usual – a ruse.

          • EarlyBird

            My point is that your previous comment:

            "Yeah, why? The laws are on the books already, aren't they? Oh, I remember. Because Obama and the Democrats refuse to uphold these laws."

            Is cheap partisanship, nothing more. Glad you agree that many Republicans also love that these immigration laws are not being enforced.

          • reader

            Nice try at changing the subject. You have nothing to justify the "immigration reform" with except that a few Republicans are on board with it. Those are the so-called "moderate" Republicans that Obama and Democrats love so much. The neo-statists, as Levin calls them. So, basically, you – in the round-about way, conceded that your immigration reform arguments are bull crap. You're just trolling, as usual.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Isn't it curious. They have shown themselves to be resourceful in getting here.
        But they're totally helpless all of a sudden and can't find a way to migrate back home.

        • EarlyBird

          If we had a fixed border and strict penalties against hiring illegals for say, two years, they'd quickly find a way to "self-deport." Then we could deal with the rest of them who wait it out.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That is one of the few comments we can agree on.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "If we had a fixed border and strict penalties against hiring illegals for say, two years, they'd quickly find a way to "self-deport." Then we could deal with the rest of them who wait it out."

            Doesn't that make you a heartless brutal bloodthirsty selfish hateful right-winger? That's a much worse fate than denying anyone the opportunity to create a homosexual marriage. What's wrong with you today?

          • EarlyBird

            Ah, come on now, Objy. Stick to the facts. They matter!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Ah, come on now, Objy. Stick to the facts. They matter!"

            The fact is you are inconsistent and hypocritical. All you do is attack people you perceive as "hateful" based on your communist-driven emotions and overly simple comprehension of any given debate.

  • Drakken

    The Balkanization of America continues, when you import the 3rd world, you become the 3rd world, sooner or later something has got to give and when it does, the the politicians who vote for amnesty will be running to the hills to save their worthless skins for selling the rest of us out.

    • EarlyBird

      America has been importing the 3rd World since its inception, and it's done us well. The bulk of Europeans who settled here were "Third Worlders" in their day, including probably your own ancestors. They were poor, didn't speak the language, had weird customs and worked hard, just like the Latinos pouring ove the border today.

      The difference is that we required them to show some allegiance to America and not treat it as simply a place to work and send money home or get goodies.

      • T. Marcus

        Certainly as far back as the massive Irish emigration to the US in the 1840s, people have been sending money back to the folks left behind. Often the first generation of those immigrants identified themselves as Irish or German or Polish or whatever, but almost universally, the next generation considered themselves Americans. This is still true for Latin Americans today, legal or illegal.

        • EarlyBird

          Very true, T. Marcus. My point has more to do with my resentment of Latino Power and seeing Mexican flags fly all over the place.

          Having said that, we could transport ourselves to New York's Lower East Side in the 1890s and hear nothing but Yiddish, Italian, German, Polish, and Irish accents, and see a whole slew of different nations' flags there too.

        • joe

          Most of the Irish and Scottish immigration was forced prior to 1865. Indentured and prisoner slavery was close to 2 million from the UK 1760 -1865. In the 1700's Cromwell shipped off hundreds of thousands as slaves with the threat of death if they returned .

          German towns collected funds and shipped their poor to the US to get rid of them.

      • Drakken

        The problem with your thinking is the 3rd world we are importing now show no alligence to the US, while the European ones back in the day did pledge alligence, see the difference or is your compassion over riding your checkbook?

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          His agenda is over riding his thinking.

        • EarlyBird

          Perhaps your agenda is overriding your ability to read clearly. See my point above, which ended with:

          "The difference is that we required them to show some allegiance to America and not treat it as simply a place to work and send money home or get goodies."

          I'm referring to the Euros who came over who showed allegiance, and the current batch of Latinos who treat it as a great place to make money.

        • banastre tarleton

          And exactly what type of ''alligence '' do you represent …you're an immigrant yourself , you bloody creep …those long suffering folks in S Africa were WELL RID OF YOU

          • Drakken

            Well if it isn't my favorite self loathing, self hating, anti-western hypocite who takes the name of a well known Cavalry Officer. If you cannot see where my allegence lies, your dumber than a bloody fence post.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "America has been importing the 3rd World since its inception, and it's done us well. The bulk of Europeans who settled here were "Third Worlders" in their day, including probably your own ancestors."

        Wow wow wow. Obviously you have no clue what "third world" refers to.

        Wow.

        • EarlyBird

          Oh let me guess: in your view, the only people who can be called Third Worlders are dark skinned people. Got it.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Oh let me guess: in your view, the only people who can be called Third Worlders are dark skinned people. Got it."

            Wow. Just unbelievable how you convert terms of politics and economics in to racial terms. More proof of your leftist indoctrination. Why don't you try reading more fact-based history? Oh yes, you can't even follow the comments with significant comprehension.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Oh let me guess: in your view, the only people who can be called Third Worlders are dark skinned people. Got it."

            Europe is first world because that's where the industrial revolution started. Facts matter retard.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Oh let me guess: in your view, the only people who can be called Third Worlders are dark skinned people. Got it."

            Europe is first world because that is where the industrial revolution began retread.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Oh let me guess: in your view, the only people who can be called Third Worlders are dark skinned people. Got it."
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World

            The modern paragigm refers to NATO, Soviet and dependant or prospective dependant states as "third world." The theory is basically that the industrialized capitalist economies comprise the first world, Soviet communist economies are the second world and developed (not fully industrialized) are the third world.

            There is a chance that before the industrialization of Europe that the old world and new world would have been the first 2, and the remaining uncivilized cultures or peoples would be third world.

            Notice in each paradigm that Europe is "first world." It's not an economic ranking per se. It just seems that way in broad strokes.

            Yet you invoke skin color and attack people for "racism" because you can't even get your facts straight but want to talk out of your rear orifice instead of your beak. Not much difference I guess. Not much difference between a lame-brain communist and a bird talking out his a-hole.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "They were poor, didn't speak the language, had weird customs and worked hard, just like the Latinos pouring ove the border today. The difference is that we required them to show some allegiance to America and not treat it as simply a place to work and send money home or get goodies."

        Um,. yeah. It's called "heartless" enforcement of laws. Which you hate because you claim enforcing laws is "hateful." Asking people to avoid conspiring to destroy our constitution is "hateful."

        • EarlyBird

          You're always good for a laugh, Object. Thanks!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You're always good for a laugh, Object. Thanks!"

            As long as you don't mind us laughing at you.

      • joe

        American did not import people .The US did run false advertisements in EU papers for employment for professionals and qualified Europeans arrived to find no jobs.
        The US rejected millions of immigrants .

        EU forced boatloads of homeless,criminals and political prisoners onto this country .
        Those people became deeply patriotic to the country that saved their lives.

    • banastre tarleton

      But when you import the white trash fleeing S Africa , you end up with creeps like ''DRAKKEN ''

      • Drakken

        And you hate your own why again? Pssst, I am not South African hunyuk. Though I have a certain affinity for the white SA's because I have a lot of friends from there.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "But when you import the white trash fleeing S Africa , you end up with creeps like ''DRAKKEN ''"

        Sniff. Another victim. Anyone have a tissue?

  • EarlyBird

    The immigration rules are so messed up, that we allow the poorest and least skilled over the border, while keeping out the most educated and innovative workers. I had this illustrated in real life to me, here in So. Cal.:

    I went to MIT to see a competition of genuine "rocket scientists" and their inventions. Many were brilliant Chinese students getting their PhDs here in the US. I asked a number of these young men their plans, and they ALL said they wanted desperately to stay in the US, get married, raise kids and become citizens who work for American high tech companies. But the US State Department denied their work visa requests repeatedly. Once they were done studying they had to return to China to compete with us.

    On the drive home I passed a Home Depot, with a parking lot crowded with Hispanic illegals looking for day labor. Bless them, they are hard working but lend virtually nothing to the US economy. But they could just waltz across the border.

    • EarlyBird

      Sorry, I meant to write "Cal Tech," which is the West Coast version of MIT.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "I went to MIT to see a competition of genuine "rocket scientists" and their inventions. Many were brilliant Chinese students getting their PhDs here in the US. I asked a number of these young men their plans, and they ALL said they wanted desperately to stay in the US, get married, raise kids and become citizens who work for American high tech companies. But the US State Department denied their work visa requests repeatedly. Once they were done studying they had to return to China to compete with us."

      What year was this?

      "On the drive home I passed a Home Depot, with a parking lot crowded with Hispanic illegals looking for day labor. Bless them, they are hard working but lend virtually nothing to the US economy. But they could just waltz across the border."

      Better to have a million of them than one jihadi.

      How can a hard working person in the USA lend "virtually nothing to the US economy?" I guess they push rocks around that nobody wants moved. It's the left-encouraged leaches that hurt us.

      • EarlyBird

        "What year was this?"

        Probably 2010, or 2009.

        "How can a hard working person in the USA lend "virtually nothing to the US economy?"

        Day laborers don't innovate, rarely hire others, don't generate wealth (on their own), are typically easily replaced. I don't mean to be mean to them. I admire their hard work. But the US won't maintain its competitive abilities by hiring uneducated day laborers, and keeping PhD engineers out.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Day laborers don't innovate, rarely hire others, don't generate wealth (on their own), are typically easily replaced. I don't mean to be mean to them. I admire their hard work. But the US won't maintain its competitive abilities by hiring uneducated day laborers, and keeping PhD engineers out."

          Your world is so inconsistent. You are no economist, that's for sure. Do you know what upward mobility is? Anyone who can be productive in the USA will be an asset. Work that people place value in is what we call "productivity."

          Productivity is good. OK? The problem today is that we want to change the rules and throw away what little ability we have to cull the losers and criminals out from the productive people. That is why we have borders and visas, to cull the losers and criminals before they leach.

          Get it? And not only that but when you do that, you convince some of the losers to become productive and get their visa a little later. So our suggestions help the USA and the world.

          Your ideas are not compassionate. They are naive and incoherent with respect to the real world. If you truly possessed the values you claim to, you'd humble yourself to learn a lot more about the realities of how the world really works (at least before attacking people) so that you could help with real solutions, not play fantasyland on the web.

  • RedBaker

    The hoopla about a new amnesty deal is mere leftist propaganda. The former news media is now simply an arm of the Democrat national committee. Amnesty is the attempt to fabricate and add a plus 7 million net vote margin for Democrats and the welfare state. Betraying the working class, the unemployed and the rest of America is something Democrats have been doing for two centuries. The young, minorities, and women – the backbone of the Democrats – suffer the most under the economic suppression Democrats practice. Republicans must offer economic growth, jobs, prosperity and eventual wealth through building personal financial health.

  • Lan Astaslem

    We all know why the politicians are for amnesty. What matters is what WE THE PEOPLE – legal citizens -think, and most of us do not welcome illegal aliens. If the politicians want amnesty, perhaps with limitations and NO VOTING for ten years.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "If the politicians want amnesty, perhaps with limitations and NO VOTING for ten years."

      At least. We need true sensible voter reform based on the constitution. Leaches that vote dilute the power of those who need to pay for all of their requests.

  • joe

    We've had 7 amnesties and every one of them has failed to deliver border control as claimed .

    We have 11 states in death spirals ,meaning they have more people on entitlements and illegals than employed citizens .HI,CA,NM,IL,NY,MS,AL,KY,SC,OH & ME.

    Minority – Majority states have been created due to massive illegal immigration and reproduction – CA,NM,TX,AL,FL,IL ,NY & NV.

    11 million people is more than the population of all of our states except 6.
    64% of illegals are on at least one entitlement . $3 billion was spent on illegal's medical care last year .
    We are literally adopting a new state that is already abusing welfare. Almost 2 million of the illegals are known to be drug cartel gang members .
    Only 4% of illegals work in agriculture .

    Unemployment in black communities remains between 14-19% due to competition will illegals for jobs.