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		<title>By: Looking4Sanity</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Looking4Sanity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 13:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the Kurds better than either the Iraqis or the Turks, but that&#039;s never going to happen. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the Kurds better than either the Iraqis or the Turks, but that&#039;s never going to happen. </p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 04:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only one in need of a drug test is you, If you think resurgent islam is going to burn out? Your clearly smoking too much funny stuff. The muslim worlds natural state is war you dolt.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only one in need of a drug test is you, If you think resurgent islam is going to burn out? Your clearly smoking too much funny stuff. The muslim worlds natural state is war you dolt.  </p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 04:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too late, even if we left them to their own devices after they are done hacking and blowing up each other they will still blame us for all their problems and still attack us. Resurgent islam on steroids is going to get us involved in a war one way or another and if you let PC addled idiots dictate on how the military fights, it is a doomed endeavor.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too late, even if we left them to their own devices after they are done hacking and blowing up each other they will still blame us for all their problems and still attack us. Resurgent islam on steroids is going to get us involved in a war one way or another and if you let PC addled idiots dictate on how the military fights, it is a doomed endeavor.   </p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 04:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we were smart, we would let the Kurds declare independence in the region and really make it interesting.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we were smart, we would let the Kurds declare independence in the region and really make it interesting.  </p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 04:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well since it went from bad to worse, we should give the Kurds a little encouragement and let the Russians arm them so they can be a nice huge pain in the ass to everyone else as a nice big F you to the hadjis of every stripe.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well since it went from bad to worse, we should give the Kurds a little encouragement and let the Russians arm them so they can be a nice huge pain in the ass to everyone else as a nice big F you to the hadjis of every stripe.  </p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 04:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Careful now Stephen, you just pulled earlys punk card, and he just might call you a name or two and hurt your feelings. I sure as hell wish Reagan was back, for we sure as hell need him more than ever.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful now Stephen, you just pulled earlys punk card, and he just might call you a name or two and hurt your feelings. I sure as hell wish Reagan was back, for we sure as hell need him more than ever.  </p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 04:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your high on drugs, It was because us Imperialist kept our boots on the muslims for the last 100 year to keep them from resurging, now that the dictators are going, resurgent islam on steroids is taking its place, but hey you keep on singing that kumbaya there Sparky for reality is going to be a painful experience for all of you of the leftist persuasion.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your high on drugs, It was because us Imperialist kept our boots on the muslims for the last 100 year to keep them from resurging, now that the dictators are going, resurgent islam on steroids is taking its place, but hey you keep on singing that kumbaya there Sparky for reality is going to be a painful experience for all of you of the leftist persuasion.   </p>
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		<title>By: WilliamJamesWard</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 02:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good advice and yes the Democrats cut off funding of South Vietnam in the Congress and 
let what was left of the North move in with the South out of almost everything but courage. 
If I remember correctly the North had no troops left over ten years old and under sixety, 
we killed them all and the Tet Offensive was a disaster for the North but the grand liar 
of media Walter Cronkite lied his face off for a propaganda plus for the communists. 
Leftists ruined what should have been a sure outcome and freedom at least for the 
South. I hate to get started on this, it makes me ill thinking about it...............William ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good advice and yes the Democrats cut off funding of South Vietnam in the Congress and<br />
let what was left of the North move in with the South out of almost everything but courage.<br />
If I remember correctly the North had no troops left over ten years old and under sixety,<br />
we killed them all and the Tet Offensive was a disaster for the North but the grand liar<br />
of media Walter Cronkite lied his face off for a propaganda plus for the communists.<br />
Leftists ruined what should have been a sure outcome and freedom at least for the<br />
South. I hate to get started on this, it makes me ill thinking about it&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;William </p>
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		<title>By: WilliamJamesWard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WilliamJamesWard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 01:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;what to do with Muslims who are US citizens, or US citizens     
who become Muslims.&quot; This question could parallel this,     
&quot;what to do with Mafia members who are US citizens or     
US citizens that become Mafia members.&quot; As a criminal cult     
that calls for felonious activities, let the laws on the books     
be enforced and let Congress visit the issue as well as     
State Legislatures. This must be done before we find      
ourselves in and internal war, one that is on the way and     
there is no stopping it......And ounce of prevention is always     
worth more than a pound of cure, what is done quickly will     
be saving America more than it has to loose...........William ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;what to do with Muslims who are US citizens, or US citizens<br />
who become Muslims.&quot; This question could parallel this,<br />
&quot;what to do with Mafia members who are US citizens or<br />
US citizens that become Mafia members.&quot; As a criminal cult<br />
that calls for felonious activities, let the laws on the books<br />
be enforced and let Congress visit the issue as well as<br />
State Legislatures. This must be done before we find<br />
ourselves in and internal war, one that is on the way and<br />
there is no stopping it&#8230;&#8230;And ounce of prevention is always<br />
worth more than a pound of cure, what is done quickly will<br />
be saving America more than it has to loose&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..William </p>
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		<title>By: anadessma</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 00:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please see my reply to Jim C below.  You may have to wait a bit since for some reason it is being held for &quot;moderation.&quot;  Can&#039;t say why. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please see my reply to Jim C below.  You may have to wait a bit since for some reason it is being held for &quot;moderation.&quot;  Can&#039;t say why. </p>
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		<title>By: anadessma</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 00:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Neither Bush nor Cheney nor Rumsfeld &lt;em&gt;ever&lt;/em&gt; described Iraq as an &quot;imminent threat to the United States,&quot; so if that is the basis of your conclusion that the Second Gulf War was a &quot;gin-up,&quot; you are fencing without an opponent.  The question was one of &quot;risk management,&quot; something that George Bush made eminently clear again and again:&quot;I will not rely on Saddam&#039;s good will,&quot; and several other like expressions, for example, &quot;Hope is not an option.&quot;  What hope?  It was never the &quot;hope&quot; that Iraq would attack the US overtly but through some sort of covert operation.  Your speculation as to what Bush and Cheney thought &quot;precisely(!)&quot; is spun out of nothing at all that I can see other than you wish that it were so. 
 
As to the Intel, the question is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; whether they knew something we didn&#039;t&#8212;they made virtually all intelligence public in the NIE of October 2007, and it was largely on the basis of that that the House and Senate voted overwhelmingly the next month to authorize military force if the president so decided. 
 
What you claim may very well have been true for Bill Clinton, a very devious man, but not George Bush.  He told us why in his opinion, &lt;em&gt;after September 11, 2001&lt;/em&gt;, trusting Saddam not to collude with terrorists was simply not an option.  The man had tried to assassinate George W.W. Bush, which some , including me, might have thought a self-evidently suicidal plot coming only a year after the First Gulf War ended (all he earned instead from a feckless Bill Clinton was a $200 million dollar cruise missile assault on an empty building).  As I tried to get across via my Russian Roulette analogy, even the US could have found it impossible to &quot;cover the bet&quot; in the event of a massive anthrax attack on a heavily populated area, not simply because of the attack itself but because of the effects across the nation in the aftermath.  Bush said he was unwilling to take that chance.  I cannot see why it&#039;s so difficult to believe that he meant what he said. 
 
In my opinion there really was only one Gulf War, and the rules of warfare tend to support my belief.  the &quot;First&quot; Gulf War ended with an &quot;armistice,&quot; not a peace treaty.  An armistice meant that hostilities can be renewed &lt;em&gt;without notice&lt;/em&gt; if and when Iraq reneged on its agreements, which it did within a year and several times afterwards.  And what was the material basis of Iraq&#039;s failure to comply? That&#039;s right, failure to account for weapons systems it had already admitted having.  September 11, 2001, only italicized the potentially catastrophic danger to the US posed by that failure, for which, I must emphasize, no reasonable explanation was ever forthcoming (even down to the present day), which is why even the UN sanctioned Iraq again and again, ever more harshly each time.  Under the terms of the armistice, Iraq had not the option to decline to cooperate fully without massive retaliation.  The fact that such retaliation didn&#039;t come sooner than March 21, 2003, has a very great deal to do with the fact that March 21, 2003, came &lt;em&gt;after&lt;/em&gt;September 11, 2001&lt;/em&gt;. 
 
What you seem to be saying is that you would have taken the chance.  It appears that you would have been right, too, but that&#039;s not because of anything you &lt;em&gt;knew&lt;/em&gt; at the time.  It&#039;s more the sort of knowledge that a man professes to have when he gets up one day and says &quot;Today I&#039;m going to win the lottery!&quot;  he buys a scratch ticket and&#8212;guess what?&#8212;he wins $50!  Did he really &quot;know&quot; anything.  Of course not.  His (and, similarly, your) actual knowledge played no role and moreover had no real consequences one way or the other.  If you didn&#039;t &quot;know&quot; what had become of those 10,000 cannisters, each of which had a serial number so that there whereabouts could be tracked, you didn&#039;t know anything to speak of. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither Bush nor Cheney nor Rumsfeld <em>ever</em> described Iraq as an &quot;imminent threat to the United States,&quot; so if that is the basis of your conclusion that the Second Gulf War was a &quot;gin-up,&quot; you are fencing without an opponent.  The question was one of &quot;risk management,&quot; something that George Bush made eminently clear again and again:&quot;I will not rely on Saddam&#039;s good will,&quot; and several other like expressions, for example, &quot;Hope is not an option.&quot;  What hope?  It was never the &quot;hope&quot; that Iraq would attack the US overtly but through some sort of covert operation.  Your speculation as to what Bush and Cheney thought &quot;precisely(!)&quot; is spun out of nothing at all that I can see other than you wish that it were so. </p>
<p>As to the Intel, the question is <em>not</em> whether they knew something we didn&#039;t&mdash;they made virtually all intelligence public in the NIE of October 2007, and it was largely on the basis of that that the House and Senate voted overwhelmingly the next month to authorize military force if the president so decided. </p>
<p>What you claim may very well have been true for Bill Clinton, a very devious man, but not George Bush.  He told us why in his opinion, <em>after September 11, 2001</em>, trusting Saddam not to collude with terrorists was simply not an option.  The man had tried to assassinate George W.W. Bush, which some , including me, might have thought a self-evidently suicidal plot coming only a year after the First Gulf War ended (all he earned instead from a feckless Bill Clinton was a $200 million dollar cruise missile assault on an empty building).  As I tried to get across via my Russian Roulette analogy, even the US could have found it impossible to &quot;cover the bet&quot; in the event of a massive anthrax attack on a heavily populated area, not simply because of the attack itself but because of the effects across the nation in the aftermath.  Bush said he was unwilling to take that chance.  I cannot see why it&#039;s so difficult to believe that he meant what he said. </p>
<p>In my opinion there really was only one Gulf War, and the rules of warfare tend to support my belief.  the &quot;First&quot; Gulf War ended with an &quot;armistice,&quot; not a peace treaty.  An armistice meant that hostilities can be renewed <em>without notice</em> if and when Iraq reneged on its agreements, which it did within a year and several times afterwards.  And what was the material basis of Iraq&#039;s failure to comply? That&#039;s right, failure to account for weapons systems it had already admitted having.  September 11, 2001, only italicized the potentially catastrophic danger to the US posed by that failure, for which, I must emphasize, no reasonable explanation was ever forthcoming (even down to the present day), which is why even the UN sanctioned Iraq again and again, ever more harshly each time.  Under the terms of the armistice, Iraq had not the option to decline to cooperate fully without massive retaliation.  The fact that such retaliation didn&#039;t come sooner than March 21, 2003, has a very great deal to do with the fact that March 21, 2003, came <em>after</em>September 11, 2001. </p>
<p>What you seem to be saying is that you would have taken the chance.  It appears that you would have been right, too, but that&#039;s not because of anything you <em>knew</em> at the time.  It&#039;s more the sort of knowledge that a man professes to have when he gets up one day and says &quot;Today I&#039;m going to win the lottery!&quot;  he buys a scratch ticket and&mdash;guess what?&mdash;he wins $50!  Did he really &quot;know&quot; anything.  Of course not.  His (and, similarly, your) actual knowledge played no role and moreover had no real consequences one way or the other.  If you didn&#039;t &quot;know&quot; what had become of those 10,000 cannisters, each of which had a serial number so that there whereabouts could be tracked, you didn&#039;t know anything to speak of. </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen_Brady</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 22:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EB, I knew Ronald Reagan.  Did you know Ronald Reagan?  No? 
 
Then don&#039;t tell me what Reagan would have thought, because Marxists like you don&#039;t have the slightest notion ... ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EB, I knew Ronald Reagan.  Did you know Ronald Reagan?  No? </p>
<p>Then don&#039;t tell me what Reagan would have thought, because Marxists like you don&#039;t have the slightest notion &#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: Jim_C</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 21:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An eloquent rationalization.  
  
Iraq&#039;s status as an &quot;imminent threat to the United States&quot; was always a gin-up. Always. It was when Clinton was president, and it was when Bush was president. It wasn&#039;t that Saddam wasn&#039;t a &quot;wildcard&quot;--obviously, he was. But a threat to us? This isn&#039;t something we can only see in hindsight; this is something many recognized. If they didn&#039;t--if there were really substantive (non-rhetorical) consensus about the danger Saddam posed, then the lead-up to the Iraq War would not have been so contentious and bitter.  Most people (to the right of Chomsky, anyway) had no trouble going after the Taliban in Afghanistan, remember. You, me, and everyone here--none of us thought, &quot;Wow, we should really get Saddam out of the picture&quot; when we saw the towers go down.  
  
Yet that is precisely what Mr. Cheney and Mr. Rumsfeld did think. And what we do know now--with the benefit of hindsight--is that they didn&#039;t really have any special intel we didn&#039;t have. We know that the intel they did have, they cherrypicked.  And what we also know is that Iraq was on the table before the 9/11 attacks. So these guys used our outrage to justify their Iraq agenda.  
  
Now I agree, it sounds good on paper--Iraq as the first domino to fall in democracy&#039;s uplifting sweep. Mr. Bush thought big and decisively--and I think that reflects well on him. But why do I get the feeling that if he could do it over again, he never would? Probably because the architects of this action were marginalized or resigned in his second term as Mr. Bush brought in people with a more traditional bent.  
  
You can call this historical blunder well-intentioned, if you like. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An eloquent rationalization.  </p>
<p>Iraq&#039;s status as an &quot;imminent threat to the United States&quot; was always a gin-up. Always. It was when Clinton was president, and it was when Bush was president. It wasn&#039;t that Saddam wasn&#039;t a &quot;wildcard&quot;&#8211;obviously, he was. But a threat to us? This isn&#039;t something we can only see in hindsight; this is something many recognized. If they didn&#039;t&#8211;if there were really substantive (non-rhetorical) consensus about the danger Saddam posed, then the lead-up to the Iraq War would not have been so contentious and bitter.  Most people (to the right of Chomsky, anyway) had no trouble going after the Taliban in Afghanistan, remember. You, me, and everyone here&#8211;none of us thought, &quot;Wow, we should really get Saddam out of the picture&quot; when we saw the towers go down.  </p>
<p>Yet that is precisely what Mr. Cheney and Mr. Rumsfeld did think. And what we do know now&#8211;with the benefit of hindsight&#8211;is that they didn&#039;t really have any special intel we didn&#039;t have. We know that the intel they did have, they cherrypicked.  And what we also know is that Iraq was on the table before the 9/11 attacks. So these guys used our outrage to justify their Iraq agenda.  </p>
<p>Now I agree, it sounds good on paper&#8211;Iraq as the first domino to fall in democracy&#039;s uplifting sweep. Mr. Bush thought big and decisively&#8211;and I think that reflects well on him. But why do I get the feeling that if he could do it over again, he never would? Probably because the architects of this action were marginalized or resigned in his second term as Mr. Bush brought in people with a more traditional bent.  </p>
<p>You can call this historical blunder well-intentioned, if you like. </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 21:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No.  In 2003 Saddam was a tiny regional threat.  His country, which was falling apart, was going to become a larger regional threat once it imploded.  And the US would have had to &quot;do something&quot; at that time.   
 
But it was not a direct threat to the US, and we are no more safe and secure today after that disaster than we were before.   
 
Bush is not a bad man, and he did not invade out of bad intent.  His advisors saw it as a base from which to project power and remake the Middle East, a project which became urgent post-9/11.  But it was an epic failure and we need to acknowledge that.     ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  In 2003 Saddam was a tiny regional threat.  His country, which was falling apart, was going to become a larger regional threat once it imploded.  And the US would have had to &quot;do something&quot; at that time.   </p>
<p>But it was not a direct threat to the US, and we are no more safe and secure today after that disaster than we were before.   </p>
<p>Bush is not a bad man, and he did not invade out of bad intent.  His advisors saw it as a base from which to project power and remake the Middle East, a project which became urgent post-9/11.  But it was an epic failure and we need to acknowledge that.     </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 20:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, Glo.   
 
Consider the many ex-colonies which have become independent since the early 1900s, paticularly after WWII, throughout Africa, Latin America and Asia.  They all had their wars against the imperial Great Powers, often organized around political ideolgies (like Marxism) to do so, and once those colonies became independent generally returned to their natural states, for better and for worse.   
 
But they are not still fighting the West for the most part.   
 
That revolution is finally coming to be in the Arab Middle East.  The Great Powers just handed their control over to the US for the most part.  The Arabs are using Islam as their organizing force and once they drive the West out, they bloom will go off that level of radicalism and they will go back to their natural state.  And I predict they will stop being obsessed with attacking the West.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Glo.   </p>
<p>Consider the many ex-colonies which have become independent since the early 1900s, paticularly after WWII, throughout Africa, Latin America and Asia.  They all had their wars against the imperial Great Powers, often organized around political ideolgies (like Marxism) to do so, and once those colonies became independent generally returned to their natural states, for better and for worse.   </p>
<p>But they are not still fighting the West for the most part.   </p>
<p>That revolution is finally coming to be in the Arab Middle East.  The Great Powers just handed their control over to the US for the most part.  The Arabs are using Islam as their organizing force and once they drive the West out, they bloom will go off that level of radicalism and they will go back to their natural state.  And I predict they will stop being obsessed with attacking the West.   </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 20:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Us western Imperialist keep the muslim savage under the boot, when the liberal/progressives took over they unleashed the muslim world out of a sense of guilt.&quot; 
 
General, make sure they don&#039;t spring a drug test on your Joint Chiefs of Staff, or you won&#039;t pass.   
 
The reason we&#039;re in this mess to begin with is that the Western Imperialists put and kept that boot upon the Muslim &quot;savage&quot; to begin with. We&#039;ve now had a tiger by the tail for going on 100 years.  Yes, it is quite possible to imagine a fairly healthy, sane Middle East if it had been left alone.   
 
Even the extreme right wing is figuring this out, finally.  What&#039;s the reason for it now?  Not oil, but to protect Israel. That is all this is about.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Us western Imperialist keep the muslim savage under the boot, when the liberal/progressives took over they unleashed the muslim world out of a sense of guilt.&quot; </p>
<p>General, make sure they don&#039;t spring a drug test on your Joint Chiefs of Staff, or you won&#039;t pass.   </p>
<p>The reason we&#039;re in this mess to begin with is that the Western Imperialists put and kept that boot upon the Muslim &quot;savage&quot; to begin with. We&#039;ve now had a tiger by the tail for going on 100 years.  Yes, it is quite possible to imagine a fairly healthy, sane Middle East if it had been left alone.   </p>
<p>Even the extreme right wing is figuring this out, finally.  What&#039;s the reason for it now?  Not oil, but to protect Israel. That is all this is about.   </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 20:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;How can I put this as nicely as I can, oh yeah, let the muzzy savages kill each other to their little hearts content, fkem! As for our own? We must never let these goofy pols dictate rules of engagement in a war zone.&quot; 
 
The problem, General, is that you do not advocate for simply letting them kill each other.  You want the US to be in the sand pit with them, which includes getting our boys killed.  Why?  Can&#039;t we leave them alone?  Koran or no Koran, they&#039;d be a lot less rabid about killing Americans and other Westerners if we simply got out of their hair.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;How can I put this as nicely as I can, oh yeah, let the muzzy savages kill each other to their little hearts content, fkem! As for our own? We must never let these goofy pols dictate rules of engagement in a war zone.&quot; </p>
<p>The problem, General, is that you do not advocate for simply letting them kill each other.  You want the US to be in the sand pit with them, which includes getting our boys killed.  Why?  Can&#039;t we leave them alone?  Koran or no Koran, they&#039;d be a lot less rabid about killing Americans and other Westerners if we simply got out of their hair.   </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 19:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stevie, I come here to shake you freaks up.   
 
And how dare you have a picture of Ronald Reagan, given that he wouldn&#039;t be caught dead on a hate site like this, and would today be slimed as a RINO by the radicals who&#039;ve taken over his movement.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stevie, I come here to shake you freaks up.   </p>
<p>And how dare you have a picture of Ronald Reagan, given that he wouldn&#039;t be caught dead on a hate site like this, and would today be slimed as a RINO by the radicals who&#039;ve taken over his movement.   </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 19:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t speak for &quot;the left,&quot; but the question should not be &quot;why do they hate us?&quot; so much as &quot;what are we fighting over, and about?&quot;   
 
They are fighting to rid themselves of the power structure that was placed upon them by the Great Powers 100 years ago.  Period.  They are struggling to throw off the yoke of imperialism.  After WWII, the US picked up where the Great Powers left off.  They don&#039;t run their own countries, we do, by extension.  The preferred autocrats who were able to maintain order can&#039;t any more.  You can only keep a lid on a boiling pot for so long.     
 
Their disgusting religion might instruct them to &quot;hate&quot; us, but they would not be giving their lives in a war against us if it wasn&#039;t to remove us from their lands, economies, governments and societies.   
 
The question is:  why do we feel compelled to keep that lid on?  What would happen if we left them alone?  I suspect after a decade of leaving them alone, radical Islam might look a bit less radical.  Imagine that:  allowing other people to run their own lives.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#039;t speak for &quot;the left,&quot; but the question should not be &quot;why do they hate us?&quot; so much as &quot;what are we fighting over, and about?&quot;   </p>
<p>They are fighting to rid themselves of the power structure that was placed upon them by the Great Powers 100 years ago.  Period.  They are struggling to throw off the yoke of imperialism.  After WWII, the US picked up where the Great Powers left off.  They don&#039;t run their own countries, we do, by extension.  The preferred autocrats who were able to maintain order can&#039;t any more.  You can only keep a lid on a boiling pot for so long.     </p>
<p>Their disgusting religion might instruct them to &quot;hate&quot; us, but they would not be giving their lives in a war against us if it wasn&#039;t to remove us from their lands, economies, governments and societies.   </p>
<p>The question is:  why do we feel compelled to keep that lid on?  What would happen if we left them alone?  I suspect after a decade of leaving them alone, radical Islam might look a bit less radical.  Imagine that:  allowing other people to run their own lives.   </p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 19:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t clarify if you had to anyhow.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#039;t clarify if you had to anyhow.  </p>
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