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		<title>By: brmckay</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Water gone down a well.

New H2O New CO2

Don&#039;t we need the Oxygen


For other things?


And next week and next year 


And fifty years more.


We do it again and again.


Seems insane.


Just ask your great great  


great great grand kids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Water gone down a well.</p>
<p>New H2O New CO2</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t we need the Oxygen</p>
<p>For other things?</p>
<p>And next week and next year </p>
<p>And fifty years more.</p>
<p>We do it again and again.</p>
<p>Seems insane.</p>
<p>Just ask your great great  </p>
<p>great great grand kids.</p>
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		<title>By: DougI</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DougI]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 13:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The UN treaty concerning DDT banned the pesticide for agricultural use, it didn&#039;t ban it for disease control.  That&#039;s just one of the many numerous errors contained in this article, like you notion that Luddites were anti-technology.  I suggest a bit more fact checking and less frothing at the mouth and you might not look like such a kook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UN treaty concerning DDT banned the pesticide for agricultural use, it didn&#8217;t ban it for disease control.  That&#8217;s just one of the many numerous errors contained in this article, like you notion that Luddites were anti-technology.  I suggest a bit more fact checking and less frothing at the mouth and you might not look like such a kook.</p>
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		<title>By: anor277</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anor277]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then let&#039;s optimize it.  For every 16 grams of methane burned (with 64 g oxygen), 44 g of carbon dioxide is produced along with 36 g of water.  Granted the combustion of methane is much, much cleaner than the combustion of coal or diesel, however, the carbon dioxide produced (unlike the water) is not going to be removedfrom the atmosphere very quickly.  It is naive to think that increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are not going to have an effect on climate.  Carbon capture by corn or other plants will soon reach a point of diminishing return.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then let&#8217;s optimize it.  For every 16 grams of methane burned (with 64 g oxygen), 44 g of carbon dioxide is produced along with 36 g of water.  Granted the combustion of methane is much, much cleaner than the combustion of coal or diesel, however, the carbon dioxide produced (unlike the water) is not going to be removedfrom the atmosphere very quickly.  It is naive to think that increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are not going to have an effect on climate.  Carbon capture by corn or other plants will soon reach a point of diminishing return.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert8184</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Albert8184]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You and I see eye to eye.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and I see eye to eye.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/radical-environmentalism-and-second-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-5234021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 00:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;These guys are all on the same side. The New World Order side.&quot;



No. There are plenty of politician in the USA that believe in our national sovereignty and even our special role in the world as the dominant super power. They don&#039;t win presidential elections these days. They&#039;re lucky to win seats in congress.


The other conservatives like McCain are duped and purchased. They believe in our national sovereignty but put it at risk with their compromises. They&#039;re not globalists per se, but they sure are not fighting the globalists as hard as I&#039;d like.


If you want to find the globalists, scratch the surface of every leftist you meet. Conservatives that fall for the political trickery are not globalists, just more dupes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These guys are all on the same side. The New World Order side.&#8221;</p>
<p>No. There are plenty of politician in the USA that believe in our national sovereignty and even our special role in the world as the dominant super power. They don&#8217;t win presidential elections these days. They&#8217;re lucky to win seats in congress.</p>
<p>The other conservatives like McCain are duped and purchased. They believe in our national sovereignty but put it at risk with their compromises. They&#8217;re not globalists per se, but they sure are not fighting the globalists as hard as I&#8217;d like.</p>
<p>If you want to find the globalists, scratch the surface of every leftist you meet. Conservatives that fall for the political trickery are not globalists, just more dupes.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 00:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Corn cropping is not a magic bullet.&quot;



It&#039;s not just corn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Corn cropping is not a magic bullet.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just corn.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 00:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;He explained, for every gallon of methane burned two gallons of water resulted. This makes it ok?&quot;



If the processing is optimized, then yes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He explained, for every gallon of methane burned two gallons of water resulted. This makes it ok?&#8221;</p>
<p>If the processing is optimized, then yes.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;First--all farming methods are &quot;organic&quot; just as all food is. Otherwise, it would hardly be worth eating. &quot;




Don&#039;t be dense. Obviously they are referring to methods that use as many organic methods as possible for insect control and other cultivation issues. You lose credibility when you say things like that. Anything living is obviously organic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First&#8211;all farming methods are &#8220;organic&#8221; just as all food is. Otherwise, it would hardly be worth eating. &#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be dense. Obviously they are referring to methods that use as many organic methods as possible for insect control and other cultivation issues. You lose credibility when you say things like that. Anything living is obviously organic.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffWRidge</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JeffWRidge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What are you, some kind of wise guy? Being polite? Apologizing? Wishing me well? I don&#039;t have to take that. Don&#039;t you know you&#039;re on the internet? No one is nice on the internet; it&#039;s the law! Well, two can play that game. 


I apologize back for any rudeness I showed towards you. Yeah, take that! 


Seriously, people should be able to disagree without being disagreeable. Thank you. Have a good weekend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you, some kind of wise guy? Being polite? Apologizing? Wishing me well? I don&#8217;t have to take that. Don&#8217;t you know you&#8217;re on the internet? No one is nice on the internet; it&#8217;s the law! Well, two can play that game. </p>
<p>I apologize back for any rudeness I showed towards you. Yeah, take that! </p>
<p>Seriously, people should be able to disagree without being disagreeable. Thank you. Have a good weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: anor277</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anor277]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How fortunate that you regularly deal with large numbers.  I think you have over-estimated the area of arable land.  The figures I found give 1500 million hectares arable (under cultivation) and 5000 million hectares (agricultural), For your perspective, the surface area of ALL land on the Earth (arable + agricultural land + deserts + Antarctica + permafrosts) is 14830 million hectares (this is much less than the figure you quote for arable land so your figure is a wild exaggeration; it seems that when I said &quot;the amount of arable land is less than you think&quot; I was right).  

To a first approx. the right figures suggest that if devote all arable land to carbon capture we can offset emission of carbon dioxide for 1 year or so.  And yet each year another 30,000+ million tonnes greenhouse gas is added to the atmosphere.  These figures also do not factor the cost of fertilizing, cultivating, and harvesting the crops, all of which which have very significant greenhouse gas emission associated with them.  And of course we&#039;ve stlll got to grow food.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How fortunate that you regularly deal with large numbers.  I think you have over-estimated the area of arable land.  The figures I found give 1500 million hectares arable (under cultivation) and 5000 million hectares (agricultural), For your perspective, the surface area of ALL land on the Earth (arable + agricultural land + deserts + Antarctica + permafrosts) is 14830 million hectares (this is much less than the figure you quote for arable land so your figure is a wild exaggeration; it seems that when I said &#8220;the amount of arable land is less than you think&#8221; I was right).  </p>
<p>To a first approx. the right figures suggest that if devote all arable land to carbon capture we can offset emission of carbon dioxide for 1 year or so.  And yet each year another 30,000+ million tonnes greenhouse gas is added to the atmosphere.  These figures also do not factor the cost of fertilizing, cultivating, and harvesting the crops, all of which which have very significant greenhouse gas emission associated with them.  And of course we&#8217;ve stlll got to grow food.</p>
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		<title>By: brmckay</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brmckay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok.


I don&#039;t think that I&#039;ll be able to get on a good enough footing with you; to try and make my points clearer.  


Bad start. I confess.


My writing style and choice of themes also causes you trouble.  Probably much like your&#039;s do mine.


I&#039;d sort of like to back out of the room now. Wishing you well.


I apologize for my initial rudeness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that I&#8217;ll be able to get on a good enough footing with you; to try and make my points clearer.  </p>
<p>Bad start. I confess.</p>
<p>My writing style and choice of themes also causes you trouble.  Probably much like your&#8217;s do mine.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d sort of like to back out of the room now. Wishing you well.</p>
<p>I apologize for my initial rudeness.</p>
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		<title>By: onecornpone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[onecornpone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are 41,000 million hectacres of arable land on the planet.  

&lt;i&gt;... humanity releases 31,000 million tonnes of greenhouse gas... ANNUALLY.&lt;/I&gt;

It&#039;s all about perspective, isn&#039;t it?  Some of us regularly deal in large numbers, thus don&#039;t fear them.  

Eat MORE Texas raised BEEF!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are 41,000 million hectacres of arable land on the planet.  </p>
<p><i>&#8230; humanity releases 31,000 million tonnes of greenhouse gas&#8230; ANNUALLY.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about perspective, isn&#8217;t it?  Some of us regularly deal in large numbers, thus don&#8217;t fear them.  </p>
<p>Eat MORE Texas raised BEEF!</p>
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		<title>By: JeffWRidge</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JeffWRidge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In your original reply to me you painted me as someone who just goes along with the &quot;gang&quot; to &quot;pick on&quot; some still unidentified individual or group (I begin to lose hope of ever learning their identity, or identities. Oh, woe is me). You acted as if I did not think for myself and that I did not even care about the truth. You are so wrong that I don&#039;t have the words to express it. Your comment was inane and insulting. You want to stick to it, that&#039;s on you. It says more about you, than it does about me. 

Yes, I described &quot;extreme fanatics.&quot; Hence my reference to them as &quot;extreme&quot; and &quot;fanatics.&quot; That&#039;s what I have been writing about. Did you somehow miss this fact? 

I never said that there weren&#039;t people who are &quot;unhinged&quot; on the other side of the political spectrum. I&#039;ve had my share of run ins with right-wingers who call me a RINO (even though I am not a Republican), or claim that I am something called a &quot;neo-con&quot; (I have been a right-winger for decades, but I do not identify myself as a conservative since I diverge from them on certain issues). These people can be very unreasonable. 

The thing is, I&#039;ve never had any of those right-wingers tell me that they wish that I, or members of my family would die. Or that I, or any member of my family, be harmed (unlike the far-left jerk who wished my mother would be raped). I have never received that kind of treatment from a right-winger, no matter how heated the conversation became. Only lefties have done this. 

I stated that I do not know what the opposite of an environmental extremist would be based on my definitions of the term, which if you will recall, you requested that I post. You are giving your definition of the opposite of an environmental extremist based on your definition of the term. Not mine. 

If you will read my definitions again, you will see that the opposite would not necessarily be a person who is not an environmentalist; nor for that matter would they be an environmentalist. In fact, I gave more than one definition of the term environmental extremist. I do not know what the opposite of my definitions would be. 

You ask for my definition of the far-left and I gave it. You did not ask for my definition of the left as a whole, unless you want to claim that you did when you asked for a definition of &quot;any lefty,&quot; which would make no sense. &quot;Any lefty&quot; would be defined as anyone on the left side of the political spectrum, far-left, moderate left, anywhere else on the left. That should be self-evident, especially considering that I used the words to refer to a lefty who begins supporting positions contrary to left-wing orthodoxy. 

A more complete definition of the left would take a lot of time to work up. The breakdown of the left I mention is in my mind. I have never bothered to put it to words, since as I stated, that would be rather time consuming and my free time is not without limits. Besides, I know my own thoughts on the subject and never planned on writing an essay about it. 

I did not &quot;lump&quot; in legitimate environmentalists with the radical lunatics. Reread my comment. I even mentioned that the far-left types manipulate those people with legitimate concerns about the environment to their own ends. In the post I am referring to you even acknowledge that they do this. 

Industry is far from &quot;unregulated.&quot; Excessive regulation is part of the problem America currently faces. BTW, it is at this point, that the far-left types will suddenly pounce on the previous sentence and claim that I favor no regulations on industry, even though that is not what I wrote. Tell me, did you feel that urge? Reducing regulations is not the same as doing away with all regulations, any more than trying to lose a few pounds means you want to completely eliminate your body; but try to explain that to some people. 

I am quite comfortable with my statement regarding morality and the environment. That you have different feelings on the matter does not effect my position. 

My point about Al Gore was, and still is, that he is the antithesis of cool. There is nothing cool about the man. Does that clear it up?

When you ask about the subtitle of the magazine, I assume that you are referring to the line:

&quot;Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.&quot; 

There are actually some decent articles to be found on this site that will likely answer your question, if you look for them. You should address that question to the people who run this site, rather than to a fellow reader and commenter.

However, I will give you my take on it, if you wish. First off, I never refer to the modern left as &quot;liberals.&quot; There is nothing liberal about them. As I have noted, the modern left tends to support ever growing and increasingly powerful government. They do so even when as our rights are shrinking because of that governmental growth. A lot of lefties can&#039;t seem to recognize that the more powerful you make the government, that the less powerful the people become. An overly powerful government can eventually shut down personal rights. This is what a lot of us fear. 

Quite a lot of lefties have stated their desire that any and all right-wing speech be silenced, in essence denying us our First Amendment rights. Some lefties have called for us to be imprisoned, claiming that our speech is responsible for crazy people who have acted violently (for example: we were blamed for the actions of Anders Breivik, among others). A few far-left types have called for our deaths. That is a totalitarian attitude.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your original reply to me you painted me as someone who just goes along with the &#8220;gang&#8221; to &#8220;pick on&#8221; some still unidentified individual or group (I begin to lose hope of ever learning their identity, or identities. Oh, woe is me). You acted as if I did not think for myself and that I did not even care about the truth. You are so wrong that I don&#8217;t have the words to express it. Your comment was inane and insulting. You want to stick to it, that&#8217;s on you. It says more about you, than it does about me. </p>
<p>Yes, I described &#8220;extreme fanatics.&#8221; Hence my reference to them as &#8220;extreme&#8221; and &#8220;fanatics.&#8221; That&#8217;s what I have been writing about. Did you somehow miss this fact? </p>
<p>I never said that there weren&#8217;t people who are &#8220;unhinged&#8221; on the other side of the political spectrum. I&#8217;ve had my share of run ins with right-wingers who call me a RINO (even though I am not a Republican), or claim that I am something called a &#8220;neo-con&#8221; (I have been a right-winger for decades, but I do not identify myself as a conservative since I diverge from them on certain issues). These people can be very unreasonable. </p>
<p>The thing is, I&#8217;ve never had any of those right-wingers tell me that they wish that I, or members of my family would die. Or that I, or any member of my family, be harmed (unlike the far-left jerk who wished my mother would be raped). I have never received that kind of treatment from a right-winger, no matter how heated the conversation became. Only lefties have done this. </p>
<p>I stated that I do not know what the opposite of an environmental extremist would be based on my definitions of the term, which if you will recall, you requested that I post. You are giving your definition of the opposite of an environmental extremist based on your definition of the term. Not mine. </p>
<p>If you will read my definitions again, you will see that the opposite would not necessarily be a person who is not an environmentalist; nor for that matter would they be an environmentalist. In fact, I gave more than one definition of the term environmental extremist. I do not know what the opposite of my definitions would be. </p>
<p>You ask for my definition of the far-left and I gave it. You did not ask for my definition of the left as a whole, unless you want to claim that you did when you asked for a definition of &#8220;any lefty,&#8221; which would make no sense. &#8220;Any lefty&#8221; would be defined as anyone on the left side of the political spectrum, far-left, moderate left, anywhere else on the left. That should be self-evident, especially considering that I used the words to refer to a lefty who begins supporting positions contrary to left-wing orthodoxy. </p>
<p>A more complete definition of the left would take a lot of time to work up. The breakdown of the left I mention is in my mind. I have never bothered to put it to words, since as I stated, that would be rather time consuming and my free time is not without limits. Besides, I know my own thoughts on the subject and never planned on writing an essay about it. </p>
<p>I did not &#8220;lump&#8221; in legitimate environmentalists with the radical lunatics. Reread my comment. I even mentioned that the far-left types manipulate those people with legitimate concerns about the environment to their own ends. In the post I am referring to you even acknowledge that they do this. </p>
<p>Industry is far from &#8220;unregulated.&#8221; Excessive regulation is part of the problem America currently faces. BTW, it is at this point, that the far-left types will suddenly pounce on the previous sentence and claim that I favor no regulations on industry, even though that is not what I wrote. Tell me, did you feel that urge? Reducing regulations is not the same as doing away with all regulations, any more than trying to lose a few pounds means you want to completely eliminate your body; but try to explain that to some people. </p>
<p>I am quite comfortable with my statement regarding morality and the environment. That you have different feelings on the matter does not effect my position. </p>
<p>My point about Al Gore was, and still is, that he is the antithesis of cool. There is nothing cool about the man. Does that clear it up?</p>
<p>When you ask about the subtitle of the magazine, I assume that you are referring to the line:</p>
<p>&#8220;Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.&#8221; </p>
<p>There are actually some decent articles to be found on this site that will likely answer your question, if you look for them. You should address that question to the people who run this site, rather than to a fellow reader and commenter.</p>
<p>However, I will give you my take on it, if you wish. First off, I never refer to the modern left as &#8220;liberals.&#8221; There is nothing liberal about them. As I have noted, the modern left tends to support ever growing and increasingly powerful government. They do so even when as our rights are shrinking because of that governmental growth. A lot of lefties can&#8217;t seem to recognize that the more powerful you make the government, that the less powerful the people become. An overly powerful government can eventually shut down personal rights. This is what a lot of us fear. </p>
<p>Quite a lot of lefties have stated their desire that any and all right-wing speech be silenced, in essence denying us our First Amendment rights. Some lefties have called for us to be imprisoned, claiming that our speech is responsible for crazy people who have acted violently (for example: we were blamed for the actions of Anders Breivik, among others). A few far-left types have called for our deaths. That is a totalitarian attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: brmckay</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re sort of proving my original point.

I was starting to think I was off base but perhaps, just picked Jeff out of the hat by mistake.



Besides, he wants me to stick around and prove I&#039;m not a troll.


I&#039;ll do so for a little while yet, if you don&#039;t mind.


Discussion is good. It&#039;s how we learn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re sort of proving my original point.</p>
<p>I was starting to think I was off base but perhaps, just picked Jeff out of the hat by mistake.</p>
<p>Besides, he wants me to stick around and prove I&#8217;m not a troll.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll do so for a little while yet, if you don&#8217;t mind.</p>
<p>Discussion is good. It&#8217;s how we learn.</p>
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		<title>By: brmckay</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m still not sure that I was completely off base in my comment.

You have described extreme fanatics.  Who, of course, I would put myself into opposition to as well.  Besides being aggressively unhinged they usurp the legitimate energies of rationally minded environmentalists.

This phenomena of self serving deception and aggression, is also occurring at the other end of the political and industrial spectrum. 

The fact that you, &quot;had no idea what the opposite of of a radical environmentalist would be&quot;, suggests that you don&#039;t worry much about the excesses of consumption, lack of conservation and general unconcern for our children&#039;s children&#039;s world. Especially, that manifested by unregulated industry.

In your breakdown of what you call &quot;the left&quot;, you made a passing reference to the effect of; &quot;Most lefties seem to support big government,&quot;. However the rest of your discussion was about the dangerous, deceptive and violent few. I still come away feeling, that you lump legitimate environment centric philosophy, in with the radical lunatics.

Those lunatics of course, arise synchronistically, and in counterpoint to, the wanton, unsustainable ravaging of the planets resources by industry. Especially when it is left unchecked by a concerned citizenry. Birds of a feather.

That citizenry, concerned or otherwise, being culpable through the effect of increasingly unbalanced appetites.

As an environmentally minded citizen, I really have to ask you to look a little deeper than this quote would indicate you have:

&quot;JeffWRidge - What about morality and the environment? I don&#039;t believe that people should torture animals, or wantonly destroy their habitat, for what that&#039;s worth. However, unlike the radical environmentalists, I do not object to people building on their own property, even if that inconveniences insects and animals.&quot;

Don&#039;t know what you&#039;re alluding to about Al Gore, and really, what&#039;s with the subtitle of this magazine?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still not sure that I was completely off base in my comment.</p>
<p>You have described extreme fanatics.  Who, of course, I would put myself into opposition to as well.  Besides being aggressively unhinged they usurp the legitimate energies of rationally minded environmentalists.</p>
<p>This phenomena of self serving deception and aggression, is also occurring at the other end of the political and industrial spectrum. </p>
<p>The fact that you, &#8220;had no idea what the opposite of of a radical environmentalist would be&#8221;, suggests that you don&#8217;t worry much about the excesses of consumption, lack of conservation and general unconcern for our children&#8217;s children&#8217;s world. Especially, that manifested by unregulated industry.</p>
<p>In your breakdown of what you call &#8220;the left&#8221;, you made a passing reference to the effect of; &#8220;Most lefties seem to support big government,&#8221;. However the rest of your discussion was about the dangerous, deceptive and violent few. I still come away feeling, that you lump legitimate environment centric philosophy, in with the radical lunatics.</p>
<p>Those lunatics of course, arise synchronistically, and in counterpoint to, the wanton, unsustainable ravaging of the planets resources by industry. Especially when it is left unchecked by a concerned citizenry. Birds of a feather.</p>
<p>That citizenry, concerned or otherwise, being culpable through the effect of increasingly unbalanced appetites.</p>
<p>As an environmentally minded citizen, I really have to ask you to look a little deeper than this quote would indicate you have:</p>
<p>&#8220;JeffWRidge &#8211; What about morality and the environment? I don&#8217;t believe that people should torture animals, or wantonly destroy their habitat, for what that&#8217;s worth. However, unlike the radical environmentalists, I do not object to people building on their own property, even if that inconveniences insects and animals.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re alluding to about Al Gore, and really, what&#8217;s with the subtitle of this magazine?</p>
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		<title>By: Albert8184</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And, could it be that in demonizing Bush, they give him the COVER he needs to be a shill of the Left and still be voted for by gullible conservatives?

And that ruse is wearing thin now, isn&#039;t it?  Conservatives have never been more disillusioned than they are now.  Which is exactly what the Left wants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, could it be that in demonizing Bush, they give him the COVER he needs to be a shill of the Left and still be voted for by gullible conservatives?</p>
<p>And that ruse is wearing thin now, isn&#8217;t it?  Conservatives have never been more disillusioned than they are now.  Which is exactly what the Left wants.</p>
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		<title>By: Steeloak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steeloak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cindy Sheehan?  Code Pink?  International Answer? Iraq Veterans Against the War?  Where are they now?  I mean, the wars these groups and individuals noisily protested against in daily media reports are still going on, however the anti-war crowd has somehow mysteriously vanished into obscurity.
Could it be they were only useful tools for the Democrat party to demonize Bush, tools not needed now that a radical Democrat is in the White House?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cindy Sheehan?  Code Pink?  International Answer? Iraq Veterans Against the War?  Where are they now?  I mean, the wars these groups and individuals noisily protested against in daily media reports are still going on, however the anti-war crowd has somehow mysteriously vanished into obscurity.<br />
Could it be they were only useful tools for the Democrat party to demonize Bush, tools not needed now that a radical Democrat is in the White House?</p>
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		<title>By: Albert8184</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 05:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The opposite of a radical environmentalist would be, according to the radical Left, a reactionary capitalist from the pre-Modern era, dealing in outmoded ideas of right and wrong, truth and untruth, laissez faire economics, Judeo-Christian based exploitation - you know, a standard conservative Westerner from the traditional era.


You rail against them all the time.  From every conceivable angle and avenue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The opposite of a radical environmentalist would be, according to the radical Left, a reactionary capitalist from the pre-Modern era, dealing in outmoded ideas of right and wrong, truth and untruth, laissez faire economics, Judeo-Christian based exploitation &#8211; you know, a standard conservative Westerner from the traditional era.</p>
<p>You rail against them all the time.  From every conceivable angle and avenue.</p>
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		<title>By: anor277</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The amount of arable land is probably less than you think.  To cultivate and harvest that corn crop you are also going to have to burn a lot of hydrocarbon.  Corn cropping is not a magic bullet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amount of arable land is probably less than you think.  To cultivate and harvest that corn crop you are also going to have to burn a lot of hydrocarbon.  Corn cropping is not a magic bullet.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert8184</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Albert8184]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Notice the thumbs down you keep getting.  You&#039;re not getting anywhere here.  Why don&#039;t you go back to the Huffington Post?  Nobody&#039;s buying your miracle cures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice the thumbs down you keep getting.  You&#8217;re not getting anywhere here.  Why don&#8217;t you go back to the Huffington Post?  Nobody&#8217;s buying your miracle cures.</p>
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