The Truth About Hate in America

Arnold Ahlert is a former NY Post op-ed columnist currently contributing to JewishWorldReview.com, HumanEvents.com and CanadaFreePress.com. He may be reached at atahlert@comcast.net.


april-2012-northridge-cropped-maple-syrup-swastika-incidentThe FBI has released its 2012 list of hate crime statistics, and much of the data clashes with the leftist narrative that America remains besieged by increasing amounts of anti-black racism and anti-Muslim bigotry. Yet the greater issue involves more than who is committing what crime against which entity covered by hate crime statutes. Hate crime statistics, and the law that prompts their collection, have promoted yet another expansion of federal power at the expense of states and localities.

Before getting into the numbers, the FBI explains that the Uniform Crime Reporting Program defines a hate crime “victim” not just as an individual, but as “a business, an institution, or society as a whole.” Moreover, a hate crime itself is defined as an offense “against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin, or sexual orientation.” In 2012, there were there were 7,164 hate crimes. The “victim” breakdown reveals that 55.4 percent of those crimes are perpetrated against persons, 41.8 percent against property, and the remaining 2.8 percent against society at large.

Overall, the number of hate crime incidents has declined somewhat between 2011 and 2012. In 2011, the FBI recorded 6,222 hate crime incidents, compared with only 5,796 in 2012.

The primary motivation for hate crimes remains race, with 48.5 percent of victims targeted because of an offender’s bias in that regard. And while anti-black bias remains the most prevalent bias at 66.2 percent, that number represents an 8.6 percent decline compared to the 71.9 percent of those that were victims of anti-black bias in 2011.

On the other hand, victims of anti-white bias have increased from 16.3 percent in 2011, to 22.0 percent in 2012, representing a 34.9 percent jump in bias crimes against whites. Thus a prevailing progressive meme that anti-black racism is on the rise is undone, even as it is revealed that white victimhood is increasing substantially.

Following race are hate crimes motivated by a bias against sexual orientation, comprising 19.2 percent of the overall total, down from 20.4 percent the year before. In raw numbers, 1,572 victims declined to 1,376 victims. The breakdown reveals the largest amount of animosity was directed against male homosexuals at 53.9 percent, followed by homosexuals in general at 28.6 percent, female homosexuals at 12.7 percent, and bisexuals at 3 percent. Hate crimes against heterosexuals accounted for just 1.9 percent of the total.

Hate crimes against religious beliefs comprise 18.7 percent of the overall total. They also represent the biggest disconnect between the progressive narrative of rampant Islamophobia and reality. Again, while overall levels of hate crimes motivated by religion decreased from 2011 to 2012, crimes committed against Jewish victims far outnumbered those committed against every other religious group. Jewish victims comprised a whopping 62.4 percent of the hate crime totals in 2012, more than five times those committed against Muslim victims, who comprised 11.6 percent of the overall total. That more than five-to-one ratio was virtually the same in 2011.

deeper look at the stats paints an even bleaker picture for those who insist that bias against Muslims is a prevalent part of American culture. In raw numbers, anti-Jewish hate crime victims fell from 771 in 2011 to 674 in 2012, representing a 12.6 percent decline. By comparison, anti-Islamic hate crime victims declined from 157 to 130, representing a 17.2 percent decrease.

Critics of the FBI report, such as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), rightly note that much of the overall decrease in reported hate crimes is due to a decrease in the number of agencies submitting data to the FBI. Only 13,022 local agencies, representing 248,809,710 Americans, submitted data to the FBI in 2012, compared to 14,575 agencies representing 286,010,550 Americans who submitted data in 2011. Yet the decrease in anti-Muslim incidents is substantial enough that at least some of it is genuine.

Unfortunately for those with a bigger agenda, the FBI statistics, which have been published on an annual basis since 1995, paint an insufficiently bleak picture of America. That agenda must be kept in mind with regard to a study conducted by the Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, which was based largely on the annual National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). The study’s adherents claim the survey’s detailed questionnaires produce the most accurate crime statistics available. The survey, promoted in an article by the Southern Poverty Law Center’s “Hatewatch” blog (whose subheading, “Keeping an Eye on the Radical Right” makes their agenda clear), claims more than 250,000 Americans over the age of 12 are victimized by hate criminals on an annual basis.

The article criticizes the FBI statistics because they are based on voluntary reporting by the aforementioned law enforcement agencies. Yet in the press release that accompanies the study, the DOJ admits the NCVS “measures nonfatal crimes perceived by victims to be motivated by an offender’s bias against them…” (italics mine). They also insist that “nearly two-thirds of hate crimes went unreported to the police in recent years.” On its “Victims” page, the NCVS states that it “collects information from victims on nonfatal violent and property crimes, reported and not reported to the police.” (italics mine). Furthermore, when two previous studies showed that the average number of hate crimes had decreased from 210,000 hate crime victimizations a year between 2000 and 2003 to about 195,000 per year from 2003-2009, the authors of the current study, Lynn Langton and Michael Planty, revealed they had made technical changes in the data collection to achieve “greater accuracy.”

Thus, it is totally unsurprising that the current NCVS study has compiled hate crime numbers 25 to 40 times higher than those compiled by the FBI–even as those tabulations were engendered by personal perceptions, suppositions regarding unreported crimes, and a change of methodology.

It is all in service to the left’s mission to cast America as an increasingly hateful nation, which has been in action for decades. The Hate Crime Statistics Act was passed in 1990, and has been amended two times since then. In 1994, hate crimes motivated by bias against persons with disabilities were added to the original statute. Crimes based on gender or gender identity made the list in 2009, as the Hate Crime Statistics Act evolved into the Hate Crimes Prevention Act (HCPA).

The longer name used for the HCPA is somewhat revealing. It was also called the Matthew Shepard & James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, named after two victims of purported hate crimes that were turned into a cause celebre by the left. While the story of James Byrd’s dragging death at the hands of vicious white racists remains legitimate, the homophobic motive behind Matthew Shepard’s murder has been debunked by gay author and journalist Stephen Jimenez. Jimenez spent years reviewing sealed court documents, after which he concluded Shepard’s murder was the result of a drug deal gone wrong. That major legislation was sparked in part by a media-fueled falsehood is not particularly problematic for those willing to advance their agenda by any means necessary.

The HCPA greatly advanced that agenda, expanding the scope of the federal government’s prosecutorial power. The Heritage Foundation points out the two relevant subsections in the statute, noting that the “amorphous standards” contained in sections 249(a)(1) subsection 249(a)(2) “would federalize almost all incidents of violent crime, even those that have nothing to do with bias, prejudice, or animus toward the victim because of his or her membership in a particular group.”

And due to pressure from leftists, the number of “particular groups” continues to expand. Last June, the FBI bowed to such pressure and announced that they will begin compiling statistics on hate crimes committed against Sikhs, Hindus and Arabs. “After 9/11 in the Arab-American community, the fact that hate crimes increased is no secret,” said Abed A. Ayoub, legal director for the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee at the time. “But we were running into underreporting by community members. They wouldn’t come forward because they felt nobody would listen or count them.”

Soon after that, the FBI upped the ante again and decided hate crime tracking will include “all self-identified religions in the United States as listed in the Pew Research Center’s Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life (2008) and the Statistical Abstract (2012) approved by the U.S. Census Bureau,” FBI spokesman Stephen Fischer wrote in an email. “The recommended list includes Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness, Orthodox, Other Christian, Jewish, Islamic (Muslim), Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh, Other Religions, Multiple Religions-Group, and Atheism/Agnosticism.”

The overall agenda here is unmistakeable. As the compilation of hate crime statistics expands, along with the number of categories and groups covered, so does federal power. It is not impossible to imagine almost any crime prosecuted on the state or local level being further pursued by the feds, especially in an age where group grievances and self-professed victimhood flourish. As the George Zimmerman case proves, the rendering of a not guilty verdict in a state courtroom no longer suffices when it is disdained by the mob in the street, as well as a politicized DOJ more than willing to accommodate that mob. There are plenty of laws available to prosecute defendants for what they do. Prosecuting them for what they might be thinking–or worse, what someone else thinks they are thinking–is a dangerous standard. Using statistics to justify that effort is reprehensible.

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  • antioli

    The strange tactic of the self proclaimed ” Moderate” Republicans in congress who voted for the Hate Crime Law. They know as well as anyone that with Eric Holder around Whites will eventually be burdened with accusations of racism.
    While, as with the Black attacks on Crown Heights, there are no accusations in the media about Black Racism. It was described some thing like a “brawl”.

    • EarlyBird

      It didn’t take Eric Holder to be put in office for misguided claims of white racism against black to take hold.

      • Drakken

        WTF is wrong with you? Things are not improving shortbus, they are getting worse or are you walking around with blinders on avoiding the obvious because it doesn’t fit your little leftist narrative, You must have Iranian in you, because the arab muslims bred the Persian out of them.

        • defcon 4

          Yes the muslime Arabs raped Persia’s culture and women and made them muslime.

        • EarlyBird

          What “things are not improving,” Chesty? I wrote “things have improved dramatically…” in regard to anti-black racism on behalf of whites. I’m saying white American are less racist than they were generations ago. That goes AGAINST the “leftist narrative” you nit wit.

          Do you even know how to read?

          And do you even know who I’m referring to when I call you “Chesty”?

          • Alexander Winston

            No it doesn’t No one on the “left” says it is as bad as during the antebellum South, or the Civil War, or Reconstruction, or the Civil Rights era BUT it isn’t dead and it is still a major problem. It isn’t as easy as saying I don’t see police dogs attacking black people anymore or they can go anywhere they won’t. After hundreds of years it is ingrained in our society. What race has the biggest penis? How would most Americans answer that question. It sounds silly but give me an answer.

          • EarlyBird

            “…BUT it isn’t dead and it is still a major problem.”

            So, we agree: things have improved but there is still a lot of white racism. “Improved” doesn’t mean “over.” Look at the average right wing idiot’s race hysteria on this board as an example.

            Are you arguing for the sake of arguing? If so, find someone you disagree with, at least.

          • Alexander Winston

            I stand by everything I posted wantwit.

          • EarlyBird

            You’ve not once provided facts that can be disputed, merely asserted opinions and claimed that they’re based on facts. Well, you do have reasonable opinions based on facts, but opinions nonetheless. “Um…we know there can be no underreported hate crimes against whites because white people have no reason to be afraid of the cops,” is hardly an objective data point!
            You come here to do battle with right wing reactionary idiots that populate this board, which precludes you from even recognizing someone who generally agrees with your position but has a slightly different take on the details. That is what tribalism gets you.
            Again: The massive wave of victimization of white Americans by non-whites is racist hysteria. You and I differ on our opinions as to the degree that there is anti-white crimes, that’s all.

          • Antiliar

            So I guess your an example of the hate-mongering, fact-less, left-wing extremist fascist idiots that populate boards on the Huffington Post and Mother Jones and come here to toss out diatribes.

            Here’s a fact: Just because a crime doesn’t make it to the FBI’s list of Hate Crimes does not mean that the crime was not motivated by racial (or some other form of) hate or bias. That is one of the major criticisms of Hate Crimes statistics and it was discussed in the article.

            Here’s another: African Americans are 39% more likely to commit a violent crime against whites than the other way around, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery. 45% of crimes by black offenders is against whites and 43% against other blacks. These stats are compiled from the National Crime Victimization Survey and other government sources. If you were to actually read this federal survey it would hopefully put an end to the left-wing lie of “racist hysteria” and put some light on left-wing denial.

  • http://fdnyretiree.com/ Ed FDNYRetiree

    The real hate in America comes from two quarters: blacks and Muslims.

    • P_Ang

      Yes, this article never takes into account that hate crimes against whites and hate crimes against Christians are under-reported and completely disregarded on the rare times they are.

      • Alexander Winston

        Proof?

        • Notalibfool

          Prove that it isn’t happening. Open your eyes and your mind.

          • Alexander Winston

            I can’t proof a negative. No one can. Do you have examples that is a common occurrence? Do share.

    • EarlyBird

      Note the that the whiny writer of this article is more concerned that anti-Jewish hate crimes aren’t getting enough press. He should be against the very notion of hate crime legislation,.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Bullcrap. He is proving that islamophobia is a myth even according to phony hate crime statistics, and he made clear that he is against the very notion of hate crime legislation.

        Besides, why shouldn’t a Jew be concerned about anti-Jewish crimes? You would be concerned if there were a crime wave against Iranian ret@rds.

        • Alexander Winston

          It isn’t a myth. That is made clear on a daily basis.

          • Notalibfool

            Prove it then.

          • Alexander Winston

            Proof what? That Islamophobia isn’t a myth? These comments do that quite well. Oh, and so do actual statistics. Why don’t you engage in simple research?

        • EarlyBird

          As a closeted homosexual you should be concerned that hate crimes against gay men are very real, and I don’t mean that as an insult to you.

          As for Islamophobia, reasonable people will be afraid of Islamist terrorists. It becomes “Islamophobia” when ALL Muslims are seen as terrorists or potential terrorists, or somehow frightening and dangerous.

          • Antiliar

            Perhaps you should worry about your own closeted beastiality and coprophagia before you point out assumed closeted homosexuality.

            Anyway, except for a handful of extremists there is almost no one who views ALL Muslims as terrorists. As for potential terrorists, anyone can be a potential terrorist, but not anyone is a probable terrorist. When looked at internationally, there is far more Judeo-phobia and Christophobia than there is Islamophobia. When one looks at offensive (rather than defensive) acts of violence of one religion onto another, Christian and Jewish violence (done in the name of their religions and based on their religions) against Muslims hovers around zero while Muslim violence is close to 100%.

    • ziggy zoggy

      You forgot leftists. Their entire ideology is based on hatred of the other.

      • Alexander Winston

        Examples of that?

    • jewhader

      jews are the bandleaders

      • defcon 4

        Are you referring to Jazz ensembles?

        • Notalibfool

          Hopefully not more of the “Jews control the banks/media/world ” manure.

  • Harriet Garner

    This blog is a joke of distorted facts and anti-American gibberish. Prove your thesis or offer “legal” alternatives.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      I’ll play.

      How about presenting examples of “distorted facts and anti-American gibberish”?

      I’ll make it easy for you. What “distorted fact” has been presented in THIS story – or are you too stupid to go the next step and prove your claim?

    • glpage

      Are you suggesting the FBI crime statistics are not “legal”? Given your accusation, you should be the one proving your case. The info presented in the article can be verified quite easily by going to the FBI’s web site.

    • Habbgun

      Saying that attacks against Jews and Moslems are decreasing in America is anti-American? Weird.

  • mtnhikerdude

    The “Hate Crime” label is a tree hugging ,global warming , Lefty ploy to stir up racism . Making hate a crime is ridiculous . No one mugs , shoots ,invades your home ,rapes you daughter because they like you. Islam didn’t fly planes into the WTC because it loves us.
    Truth is “Hate Crimes” are a one way street . No Blacks or Muslims will ever charged with a hate crime. The Fort Worth Muslim killed his fellow soldiers because he respected them. DUH , get a clue.

  • ziggy zoggy

    Hate crimes are a joke. Anything can cause “offense.” The vague definition of the so called crime is ridiculous. It’s application is downright criminal. Racist crimes against Whites – real ones – are rarely reported as hate crimes. Most of the so called hate crimes against Blacks, gays, islamopithecines, etc. are bogus.

    Besides, what difference does it make if a crime is motivated by hate? The criminal act is what needs to be punished, not the emotion behind it. The notion of a thought crime is insane, but the PC control freaks who came up with this deliberately divisive bullcrap have never been big on rationality. This stupid crap is all based on the false notion that America is a racist, sexist and gay hating country. Even if it were, it is impossible to legislate away people’s feelings. It’s idiotic to even try, and the application of the law is so corrupt that it is being used to punish disfavored groups.

    • EarlyBird

      Okay, I can’t believe I am going to write this, but here goes: you are absolutely 100% correct.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Thank you.

      • Alexander Winston

        How so? He used no facts and only stated his uninformed opinion.

        • EarlyBird

          He was indeed expressing an opinion and I agree with it. This is not a scientific forum.

          • Alexander Winston

            It doesn’t have to be a scientific forum to use facts. If you agree with that nonsense then I gave you too much credit and you aren’t very intelligent.

          • EarlyBird

            Relax, Alexander. I’m sure you’ve got all sorts of opinions which are not backed up by multiple peer reviewed studies. I don’t like to argue for the sake of arguing, thanks.

          • Alexander Winston

            No actually I share facts. If I share an opinion I state it as such. Arguing for the sake of arguing? What else are you doing?

    • defcon 4

      I have to wonder if the fascination with hate crimes doesn’t have an ulterior motive, after all, what suppresses free speech more quickly than criminalizing it as hate speech? Just look at the EU, or Canada and Ezra Levant.

      • EarlyBird

        That’s because you’re paranoid and subscribe to theories of Leftist Devils Destroying the World. Nothing happens organically i your world. There is an evil plot by the left to hurt all that this good.

        • Alexander Winston

          Seriously? An evil plot by the left? Is it anything like the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion?

          • EarlyBird

            Oh Alexander! I was taking this idiot, Defcon, to task for HIS paranoid world view, not expressing my own.

            Holy smokes. I am the hated “far left commie, sniveling liberal” on this board. The right wing reactionaries on this board blame the left for everything including the common cold.

    • Alexander Winston

      It isn’t vague and it applies to everyone. YOU just don’t research it or understand it. No one is legislating people’s feelings. You are free to “feel” anything you wish but you don’t get to dictate laws or rules of society based on your “feelings”.Who has been punished that was innocent? What group are you referencing? Examples of their punishment?

      • EarlyBird

        Alexander, you are right that the definition of a hate crime is very clear, and that it applies to everyone. But that hardly means that it takes scientific data to take seriously the opinion that the law is not equally applied.

        Are you to say, that because it is illegal to discriminate in employment on the basis of race, sexual orientation, etc. that it doesn’t regular occur any way, and doesn’t happen more than the data we have on such discrimination?

        • Alexander Winston

          It is applied equally. Not a lot of white people being attacked for being white. Not a lot of Christians being bashed for being Christian. That is why you don’t see more of those cases. Your last question is incoherent and inaccurate. It is legal to discriminate in employment in at least 29 states. You can be fired for being gay. I am not certain what one has to do with the other anyway. Can you explain your question more clearly and give a reason why you used that example?

          • EarlyBird

            Let’s be clear: though I suspect that there are more racially motivated crimes against whites than are recorded and prosecuted by police as “hate crimes,” I am not one of the ridiculous, racist hysterics on this poisonous site suggesting “white Christian, wholesome God fearing America” is under attack by “the blacks” and so on.

            By that token, I’m sure there are plenty of hate crimes against non-whites which are not properly investigated.

            Your suggestion that because the rules are officially *required* to be applied equally *means* they are, is frankly ridiculous. Nor do the reported statistics tell the whole story. We live in a very messy, complicated world, not a controlled scientific environment.

          • Alexander Winston

            No there aren’t. White people have NO reason to not report such crimes. The police have always been their friends. The groups that are under-reported are blacks, gays, and Muslims. I said the laws apply to everyone. You are becoming more desperate and asinine with every post.

          • EarlyBird

            You wrote:

            “The groups that are under-reported are blacks, gays, and Muslims.”

            oh, but how could you POSSIBLY believe that, Alexander? If they weren’t reported we can’t POSSIBLY conclude that they occurred, right? Data is everything in your world, remember? You’re only indulging in your own opinion rather than “sharing facts.” Show me the data that hate crimes against “blacks, gays and Muslims” are underreported. Can’t prove a negative can you?

            See how you’ve been hung up by your petard?

            It has not yet sunken in, has it?: We agree. I even wrote:

            “By that token, I’m sure there are plenty of hate crimes against non-whites which are not properly investigated.”

            Read that again. Add to yours and my *suspicion* that hate crimes against non-whites are underreported, my suspicion that hate crimes against whites are also underreported and prosecuted. I.e., hate crimes against all people IN GENERAL are underreported for a variety of reasons.

            Okay? Data don’t tell the whole story, and you are making common sense opinions as much as I am.

          • Alexander Winston

            You should get your information from myriad sources. I have not shared an opinion only verifiable facts. Actually you can look up information on this topic or any other. It’s called doing research and studying. Do you know how to do that? There are NOT plenty of hate crimes not reported by white people. White people have no fear of the police. They have never had a reason not to file a report. Minorities have and in some places still do.

          • EarlyBird

            You’re making a fool of yourself, Alexander.

          • Alexander Winston

            How so? Refute anything I’ve posted in a coherent manner or just shut up.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “You should get your information from myriad sources. I have not shared an opinion only verifiable facts.”

            Facts like these?

            “White people have NO reason to not report such crimes. The police have always been their friends.”

          • Alexander Winston

            That is a fact. Black people have reason to fear police. As do other minorities like gay people and Muslims etc. White people have had little reason to fear them historically. That is a fact.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “That is a fact.”

            You need to say it 3 times to make it a fact.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “No there aren’t. White people have NO reason to not report such crimes. The police have always been their friends.”

            Obviously you’re not white, you have no clue what political correctness is, or you simply think that “social justice” calls for justice that ignores individual justice.

          • Alexander Winston

            I am Caucasian. Care to explain your gibberish? It was incoherent.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Reading is hard for some people. Start below and be patient. Don’t give up prematurely or blame others for your own failures.

            Definition of OR

            1—used as a function word to indicate an alternative , the equivalent or substitutive character of two words or phrases , or approximation or uncertainty

            2: archaic : either

            3: archaic : whether

            4: —used in logic as a sentential connective that forms a complex sentence which is true when at least one of its constituent sentences is true — compare disjunction

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            Full Definition of POLITICALLY CORRECT

            : conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated

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            Commentary on “social justice”

            http://mises.org/daily/5099

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            Full Definition of COLLECTIVISM

            1: a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution; also : a system marked by such control

            2: emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “It is applied equally. Not a lot of white people being attacked for being white. Not a lot of Christians being bashed for being Christian. That is why you don’t see more of those cases.”

            Ha ha ha. Critical Race Theory. Collectivism. Yeah, you’d love communism. Go for it. Move to China.

          • Alexander Winston

            Is that supposed to make sense?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Learn to use google or your questions become more tedious than really necessary.

  • PAthena

    As Tom Lehrer put it, “I hate anyone who doesn’t love his fellow man.”

    • ziggy zoggy

      That’s pretty funny. =D

  • 441019

    I never imagined I would live in a country where a person can be prosecuted for what is perceived to be their thoughts or intentions, rather than just their actions. For example, if I murder someone, I should be prosecuted for what I did, not for the alleged motive. Murder is an act of hate in itself. How can a person’s motive for a crime be proven?

  • 441019

    Legislation against hate crimes will not change an individual’s thoughts or feelings. These are often a result of one’s childhood and environment.

  • Lanna

    Hatred has become a disease, some people are not happy and they don’t want anyone else to be either. Hate is non-productive….and destructive…too bad people don’t learn this and live better lives.

  • celador2

    Good points. Hate crimes expand federal big brother power on crimes regulated at state level– on thought.

    • defcon 4

      I think that’s exactly where all this is headed and with it the end of free speech.

    • Alexander Winston

      It isn’t a federal law. Some federal laws apply but that is for federal prosecutors. States have hate crime laws and they apply to all people. And no one is prosecuted for thought. Not one person.

      • EarlyBird

        Oh, but a hate crime really is a thought crime.

        Consider: I shoot and kill a gay man for his wallet and I get 35 years to life. I shoot and kill a gay man because I hate gay people, and I get 35 years to life and additional penalties because it is classified as a hate crime. Same crime, but the differnt motivation – or tought – gets a greater penalty. Hate crime legislation was well intended but poorly considered, and it’s not healthy in a democracy.

        I am, however, for special prosecution of groups which specifically organize to attack other groups, such as the KKK, etc. In LA where I live, Latino gangs were organizing to attack and drive out black residents moving in to an historically Latino neighborhood, Highland Park, and the FBI went after them with RICO laws.

        • Alexander Winston

          No it isn’t a thought crime. It happens and it speaks to the motivation for the crime. At least you have a cursory understanding of the statutes unlike most. It applies to everyone BUT let’s replace gay with Christian. And by the way, the wallet theft isn’t a good analogy. If I attacked a Christian because I hated Christians and to instill fear in an entire group that is a definite action designed to hurt more than the immediate victim. You have to “think” to commit it BUT it isn’t a “thought” crime. I think a lot of people who use that term don’t actually know what it means or where it came from.

          • EarlyBird

            But we live in the real world, and what happens is that we can turn any racial or other slur used in the heat of the moment of a regular bar fight, or robbery, etc., as proof of a “hate crime,” or a generalized attack on a group. Do I believe a white guy who calls a black robbery victim a “N**ger” during the offense has just committed a hate crime? I don’t know. But we’re discussing adding EXTRA penalties for the use of that word and disgusting idea. And if the political environment wants it to be a hate crime it may be turned into one. And if the political environment doesnt’ want to treat that guy like a hater, it won’t be.

            There ARE hate crimes, don’t get me wrong. I think we just need to be careful when punishing/banishing bad opinions, feelings, thoughts. It can be as much of a political weapon as it is a criminal prosecution tool.

          • Alexander Winston

            That isn’t how it works. You only seem to understand the basics which is much more than others in your position but you clearly need to do more research. It isn’t about an “expression”. It is about the motivation for the crime. No one is punishing opinions or thoughts. Never has happened even once in this country.

          • EarlyBird

            Of course it’s the motivation of the crime that is being punished. But the perpetrator’s motivation can only be discerned by his use of expressions – verbal, written, etc. You can be a raging racist when you beat up a Mexican man for his wallet, but unless you express your racism in some manner you can not be held accountable for a hate crime. It is ultimately about punishing ugly expressions of ugly thoughts.

  • steve12

    “even as it is revealed that white victimhood is increasing substantially.”

  • steve12

    We are the victims now. Just look at any statistic – who has less money, less representation in gov’t. and less representation on corporate boards? Whites, that’s who. I tried to tell my kids that the blacks were taking over – now that they own more and comprise a much greater share of decision making positions in our society than their population suggests, it’s with a heavy heart that I say “I told you so”!

    • Cuppa

      So you’re teaching your kids to be racists. How sweet.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Upya,

        You’re pissing in the wind.

        • steve12

          Actually, Ziggy, my post was sarcasm. Did you really think that blacks have more cash than whites? Or occupy more positions of power?

    • EarlyBird

      ALL average Americans have had “less money” since we fell in love with the fantasy of Trickle Down Economics. “We can have it all kids: completely undercut our tax base, defund fundamental building blocks of the middle class, discard the idea that there is a collective American good that we need to consider, and with all the money the corporations will save we’ll all get rich as everyone boats will rise on the tide!” Sound familiar? It made sense to me in 1980, too. But we’ve done that experiment and it’s FAILED.
      ALL average Americans have “less representation in gov’t.” This is what happens when you completely gut governance of the idea that we need to invest in certain things (“but that’s Tax and Spend Big Government. That’s Socialism, right?!”) that allow the middle class to remain strong and large enough to exert its influence on government. Nobody took away our representation: we GAVE it away!
      “…less representation on corporate boards?” Oh, you mean that some non-whites have actually gotten somewhere? Say it ain’t so. Surely they all got there from Affirmative Action, right?
      “…the blacks were taking over…” Unbelieveable. I genuinely feel sorry for you. You’re a tragedy.

      Listen, dude: ALL Americans are having it tough all over and it has NOTHING to do with race. Stop voting for politicians that stoke your fear and resentment, while stroking your ego that you’re Rugged Independent

      • steve12

        No one understands sarcasm anymore. On either side…..

        • EarlyBird

          Sorry, Steve. On this board that sarcastic post reads absolutely straight.

  • Cuppa

    All the evidence for Islamophia can be found on this site provided by you hateful idiots.
    Have a nice day.

    • defcon 4

      Yeah and the systematic killing, raping, persecution and forcible conversion of people of other faiths all over the islamic world has nothing to do with it.

      • Alexander Winston

        Really? All over? Like the Christians did for a thousand years? Oh, and do you know how many Muslims there are? If they were all doing it you would be converted by now.

        • Notalibfool

          DeShawn, is that you?

          • Alexander Winston

            No. Can you read? My name is Alex. Or Alexander. Or Xander. I have one account unlike most uneducated conservatives.

        • EarlyBird

          Alexander, you may have found out that in this electronic insane asylum, everyone is minutes away from being beheaded by scimitar wielding Moors. Which is why we need to nuke Mecca then Tehran or something.

      • EarlyBird

        It is rational to be appalled and fearful of Islamist terrorists. It becomes irrational fear, a “phobia,” when you apply that fear to all 1.6 billion Muslims. Fear and anger make us do stupid things. Don’t be stupid.

    • Drakken

      Why of course, us infidels should just ignore what you muslims savages do on a daily basis, because it hurts community cohesion and gosh darn it if we hurt your poor precious muslim sensibilities so you go out and riot and yell death to the infidel, and heaven forbid we don’t want to do that now do we?

      • Cuppa

        I’m not a Muslim. You people are still hateful idiots.

        • Drakken

          And you are a future Darwin Award Winner ! Congratulations ! Just make sure to take that big healthy dose of political correctness, so heaven forbid you don’t offend anyone and hurt their poor precious sensibilities. Don’t want to be accused of being hateful now do we?

          • Cuppa

            Me? I don’t have to worry about anyone calling me hateful. You nuts on the other hand…

          • ziggy zoggy

            Upya,

            You are hateful.

          • Notalibfool

            Well, yes. What could one expect from a liberal?

          • Notalibfool

            You call the folks here idiots and nuts, and somehow we are the hateful ones? Please look in the mirror, son.

          • Cuppa

            Have you read the articles and comments on this site? It is bursting with unbridled racism and hate.

          • Notalibfool

            Yes, I do read the articles and comments. At times there are hateful idiots posting here. But the vast majority do not fit that description.

          • Alexander Winston

            Tell me about Darwin and the theory of evolution. Offend anyone you wish by exposing your bigotry BUT you don’t get to dictate laws based on your mental defects AND you don’t get to speak and not have others respond.

        • Notalibfool

          So people who disagree with you are hateful idiots? You sound a little hateful yourself.

          • Cuppa

            Disagreement is one thing. The rampant racism and hate on this site is something else entirely.

          • Notalibfool

            So go somewhere else if you dislike it so much.

          • Alexander Winston

            No. We like emasculating fools like you.

      • Alexander Winston

        Like what? What has been done to you? Other Americans on a daily basis?

  • defcon 4

    For the muslimes of the world, any criticism of their death cult or its Jew hating, child molesting, psychopathic, narcissistic prophet is a hate crime — as evidenced by the enforced blasphemy and heresy laws that exist in every islamic state.

  • Alexander Winston

    Your numbers aren’t accurate for 2012. And most of the “religious crimes” were against Muslims not Christians.

    • Notalibfool

      Prove it. Do you only see what you already believe?

      • Alexander Winston

        I believe in facts. Read the actual study and quit posting the same gibberish over and over. Do you know how to engage in research? Educate yourself.

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