Calling Islam “Islam”


I wrote this a few years ago, and I think it’s worth posting again, particularly after the latest jihadist attack in Boston. I noticed, after the attack this week, that a number of people are using more proper terminology to identify this enemy, which is very important in taking on the enemy. I recall watching panel discussions after 9/11, with each panelist using a different term to describe the enemy we face. That annoyed the hell out of me as I think it’s incredibly important to identify the proper terms when speaking about our enemy, and to NEVER create terms, for whatever reason. To me, the only difference between “Islamism” and Islam is three letters. Below I try my best to make the case why we should always call Islam “Islam.”

Western intellectuals and commentators refer to the enemy’s ideology as:

“Islamic Fundamentalism,” “Islamic Extremism,” “Totalitarian Islam,” “Islamofascism,” “Political Islam,” “Militant Islam,” “Bin Ladenism,” “Islamonazism,” “Radical Islam,” “Islamism,” etc….

The enemy calls it “Islam.”

Imagine, if during past wars, we used terms such as “Radical Nazism,” “Extremist Shinto” and “Militant Communism.” The implication would be that there are good versions of those ideologies, which would then lead some to seek out “moderate” Nazis. Those who use terms other than “Islam” create the impression that it’s some variant of Islam that’s behind the enemy that we’re facing. A term such as “Militant Islam” is redundant, but our politicians continue praising Islam as if it were their own religion. Bush told us “Islam is peace” — after 2,996 Americans were murdered in its name. He maintained that illusion throughout his two terms, and never allowed our soldiers to defeat the enemy. And now we have Obama, who tells us, from Egypt:

“I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”

If only he felt that way about America. Washington’s defense of Islam has trumped the defense of America and this dereliction of duty could well be called Islamgate.

Islam is a political religion; the idea of a separation of Mosque and State is unheard of in the Muslim world. Islam has a doctrine of warfare, Jihad, which is fought in order to establish Islamic (“Sharia”) Law, which is, by nature, totalitarian. Sharia Law calls for, among other things: the dehumanization of women; the flogging/stoning/killing of adulterers; and the killing of homosexuals, apostates and critics of Islam. All of this is part of orthodox Islam, not some “extremist” form of it. If jihadists were actually “perverting a great religion,” Muslims would have been able to discredit them on Islamic grounds and they would have done so by now. The reason they can’t is because jihadists are acting according to the words of Allah, the Muslim God. From the Koran:

“Slay the idolators wherever you find them…” Chapter 9, verse 5

“When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads until you have made a great slaughter among them….” Ch. 47:4

Beyond the doctrine, there is the historical figure of Mohammad, who, more than anyone, defines Islam. How would you judge a man who lies, cheats, steals, rapes and murders as a way of life? This evil man is Islam’s ideal man, Mohammad. Whatever he said and did is deemed moral by virtue of the fact that he said it and did it. It’s no accident that the only morality that could sanction his behavior was his own. Nor is it an accident that Muslims who model themselves after him are the most violent.

For the 13 years that Mohammad failed to spread Islam by non-violent means, he was not so much peaceful as he was powerless. It was only through criminal activity and with the help of a large gang of followers that he managed to gain power. But he wanted his moral pretense too, so he changed Islam to reflect the fact that the only way it could survive was through force. And so, acting on Allah’s conveniently timed “revelation” that Islam can and should be spread by the sword, Mohammad led an army of Muslims across Arabia in the first jihad. From then on, violence became Islam’s way in the world. And today, acting on Mohammad’s words, “War is deceit” — in the sense that Muslims use earlier “peaceful” verses from the Koran as a weapon against the ignorance and good will of their victims. Those “peaceful” passages in the Koran were abrogated by later passages calling for eternal war against those who do not submit to Islam. How Mohammad spread Islam influenced the content of its doctrine and therefore tells us exactly what Islam means.

Note also that the only reason we’re talking about Islam is because we’ve been forced to by its jihad. And where are Islam’s “conscientious objectors”? Nowhere to be found, for even lax Muslims have been silent against jihad. But that doesn’t stop desperate Westerners from pointing to them as representives of “Moderate Islam.”

Far from being a personal faith, Islam is a collectivist ideology that rejects a live-and-let-live attitude towards non-Muslims. And while the jihadists may not represent all Muslims, they do represent Islam. In the end, most Muslims have proven themselves to be mere sheep to their jihadist wolves, irrelevant as allies in this war. Recovering Muslims call the enemy’s ideology “Islam,” and they dismiss the idea of “Moderate Islam” as they would the idea of “Moderate Evil.” When, based on his actions, Mohammad would be described today as a “Muslim Extremist,” then non-violent Muslims should condemn their prophet and their religion, not those who point it out.

Islam is the enemy’s ideology and evading that fact only helps its agents get away with more murder than they would otherwise. Western politicians have sold us out, so it’s up to the rest of us to defend our way of life by understanding Islam and telling the truth about it in whatever way we can. If we can’t even call Islam by its name, how the hell are we going to defend ourselves against its true believers? One could argue that we’d be better off if the West would just choose one of the many terms currently used for the enemy’s ideology. For my part, I call the enemy what they are, “Jihadists,” and our response, “The War on Jihad.” But behind it all, it’s Islam that makes the enemy tick.

Despite my frustrations with the refusal of many to call Islam “Islam,” I know that those who speak out against Jihad put themselves in danger, and I respect their courage. But it’s important that we acknowledge Islam’s place in the threat we face and say so without equivocation. Not saying “Islam” helps Islam and hurts us. So let’s begin calling the enemy’s ideology by its name. Let’s start calling Islam “Islam.”

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Postscript: Below is Bosch’s response to those critics, especially  Muslims and Leftists, who make the issue about Muslims and not Islam; who always allege that critics of Islam are condemning 1.5 billion people, that Muslims are good people and innocent, etc etc. So below he responds with an excerpt from his piece Non-Muslim Muslims and the Jihad Against the West:

For those who want to make this about Muslims and not Islam, here are some of my thoughts on that:

First, my name is Bosch and I’m a recovered Muslim, so I have some insight into this, coupled with the fact that I studied Islam as if my life depended on it after 9/11.

There is Islam and there are Muslims. Muslims who take Islam seriously are at war with us and Muslims who don’t aren’t. But that doesn’t mean we should consider these reluctant Muslims allies against Jihad. I’ve been around Muslims my entire life and most of them truly don’t care about Islam. The problem I have with many of these essentially non-Muslim Muslims, especially in the middle of this war being waged on us by their more consistent co-religionists, is that they give the enemy cover. They force us to play a game of Muslim Roulette since we can’t tell which Muslim is going to blow himself up until he does. And their indifference about the evil being committed in the name of their religion is a big reason why their reputation is where it is.

So while I understand that most Muslims are not at war with us, they’ve proven in their silence and inaction against jihad that they’re not on our side either, and there’s nothing we can say or do to change that. We just have to finally accept it and stop expecting them to come around, while doing our best to kill those who are trying to kill us.

Another problem with Muslims who aren’t very Muslim is that they lead some among us to conclude that they must be practicing a more enlightened form of Islam. They’re not. They’re “practicing” life in non-Muslim countries, where they are free to live as they choose. But their “Islam” is not the Islam. There’s no separate ideology apart from Islam that’s being practiced by these Muslims in name only, there’s no such thing as “Western Islam”.

Non-observant Muslims are not our problem, but neither are they the solution to our problem. Our problem is Islam and its most consistent practitioners. There is nothing in Islam that stays the hand of Muslims who want to kill non-Muslims. If an individual Muslim is personally peaceful, it’s not because of Islam, it’s because of his individual choice, which is why I often say that your average Muslim is morally superior to Mohammad, to their own religion. The very rare Muslim who helps us against Jihad is acting against his religion, but that doesn’t stop some among us from thinking that his choice somehow shines a good light on Islam. It doesn’t. A good Muslim according to us is a bad Muslim according to Islam.

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  • Matamoros63

    Accurate and precise in just about every category. A few pointed comments: 1. "Islam" is NOT a "religion." It is a cult. A cult whose "Jim Jones" goes by the name "Mohammed." Yes! It is a cult gone mad and global but, nonetheless, a CULT. 2. There IS NO Allah! Never was; Isn't now. The only place "Allah" ever existed is between Mohammed's ears. 3. The Islamic "god" is nothing more that Mohammed himself. 4. What kind of wretched, demented, murderous, deceitful, treacherous "god" would create things/creatures (Jews, polytheists, infidels, blasphemers, etc,) HE HATES and wishes to be murdered and/or destroyed? Such a "god" would be content gleefully spending his days pulling the wings off flies. 5. How can a "god" change his mind (i.e., abrogation). Does "god" even HAVE a mind?
    For further study, read: "Mohammed; A Psychobiography" by Ali Sina.

    • http://fawstin.blogspot.com/ Bosch_Fawstin

      Thank you, but Islam IS a religion, a *political* religion, but a religion nonetheless. That's why it's been able to get away with murder for centuries. It's respect for religion by most all people that Islam has exploited and which is why it's still not dealt with justly. Islam's religious nature is its forcefield & greatest weapon, & instead of exploring the implications of that, far too many deny that fact. As I've put it before:

      To those who think "islam is a religion, so it can't be evil" OR "Islam is evil, so it can't be a religion" – Islam is a religion *and* it's evil.

      • Cassandra

        Islam is 80% an ideology and 20% religion. But it does not matter it is EVIL

      • Rob

        'It's respect for religion by most all people that Islam has exploited and which is why it's still not dealt with justly'
        That's correct. Similarly, it's my opinion that it is the 'moderate muslim' who gives cover for the jihadists by confusing the infidel as to the true nature of islam. This makes them equal partners in the global jihad, whether they know it or not.

      • Fred

        I respectfully disagree. Islam pretends to be a religion, but isn't. What qualifies as a religion? Anything some nut job says is a religion? Islam is not a false religion. At best it is a fake religion. Calling Islam a religion denigrates all other religions, because the PC crowd will claim, falsely, that all religions are as bad as Islam. Moral equivalency. Others will be fooled into thinking Islam is kinda like every other religion. People of one demonation will think, oh, Islam's isn't like ours religion but it's just different like Lutherans or Baptists or Mormons or Buddhists or Holly Rollers, maybe just different like the difference between Roman Catholics and Greek Orthodox. And that couldn't be further from the truth. Allah is Satan and Mohammud a spawn of the devil. Together they pulled off the greatest scam on mankind ever! Look at how Islam is the exact opposite of every Judeo-Christian value. In Islam lying is a virtue, murder is a virtue, beating women is a virtue, rape is a virtue. Mohammud brought nothing but evil to the world. How can anyone that holds Mohammud as their perfect man be a decent human being? How could any Muslim be a decent person?

        • El Séptimo Reino

          Spot on. Allah is Satan. In all of this theme we fail to consider that behind all this exists a true war between God and Satan. When we potray the values of a western society we say they are judeo-christian based and in turn we must say God given. Interesting to note that Islamic teachings, such as the Qur'an, enfatically manifests that it's enemies are jews and christians, amongst other groups. If we study Satan´s background, we´ll find his 'life' long goal to be as God. And if we study his caracter and influences we´ll find it´s a mirrow image of what Islam is about.

          • Boetica

            Compare and contrast the account of Christ in the Wilderness (Matthew 4:1-11) with Mohammad's experience with Gabriel in the cave. I have to agree with you.

        • Steven Swenson

          The only essential difference between a religion and a cult is how socially accepted it is.

          You’re trying to defend religion by calling any violent religion a cult. So was Christianity a cult when it was inspiring the Dark Ages, the Crusades, and the Salem Witch Trials? Or is it only other peoples’ religions that lose “religion status” when they’re violent?

          • Drakken

            Keep trying the moral equivilancy nonsense when there isn't any, all cultures and people are not all equal and never have been, but hey, keep trying to twist yourself in knots trying.

          • US Muslim

            Coming from someone who ignores periods of history that aren't too kind to his side.

            There were times when it was better for a non-conforming Christian or any Jew to live in a Muslim country as opposed to a Christian one.

            There were times when it was preferable to face punishment in a Muslim country as opposed to a Christian one.

            There were times when it was possibel to attain higher education and a meaningful livelihood in a Muslim country as opposed to a Christian one.

            While advances were made in science, medicine, mathematics, chemistry, etc. in Muslim countries 1,000 years ago, Europe was frozen intellectually where nonconformists were put down harshly. The Pope even frbade the study of "Islamic" numerals!

          • US Muslim

            We have a choice here. Move forward from here without fear of one another, accurately identify and distinguish between our friends and foes and put our foes on check and detry them when we can, and advance the cause of a civilized existence which really no one has a monopoly over; no one owns God. Or degenerate away into civil wars on multiple fronts (The Balkans, anyone?) after which we could end up going back 2,000 years. The choice is yours to make. I already made mine a long time ago.

    • http://twitter.com/JohnnyWezel @JohnnyWezel

      Allah exists. But Christians call it Satan.

    • Paul Blase

      Just as a note, a "cult" is a religion. The word "cult" means "a system of religious worship" and the word is used to designate specific practices within larger organized bodies. The modern sub-definition refers to cults centered around single personalities, e.g. Jim Jones, which are often heresies as well. Islam isn't really a cult, in the modern sense, because it doesn't revolve around the person of Mohammed per se, especially since he's dead. It is, however, as C.S. Lewis pointed out, the greatest of the Christian heresies.

      • Jon MC

        Hmm,
        I'm far from sure that Islam does not "revolve around Mohammed". I suppose it depends who you think is the author of the Koran to some extent.
        But consider this: the hadith and Sirat are much longer than the Koran and they deal with what ol'Mo said and did, and – as the Koran says 50+ times – Muslims must obey not just Allah but Mo.
        Therefore it can be argued that Islam does revolve around Mohammed since most of the "Islamic trilogy" (Koran, hadith, Sirat) is about him even if you assume he was not the Koran's author.
        If, on the other hand, you think that ol'Mo wrote the Koran (i.e. no 'Allah' involved) then Islam is all about Mohammed and thus qualifies as a "cult" in the modern sense.
        I am also far from convinced that death makes a difference: if the teachings survive a "great leader"'s death, then so does his/her cult!

  • Michael Copeland

    Excellent.
    Let us hope some patriotic benefactors can have this made into a poster as a gift to every church, synagogue, and temple. Failing that, here's what we can all do: copy and circulate it electronically.

    • Kir

      add to "poster as a gift to every" every hindu,sikh,parcee temple. Any non-muslim's religious place/community.

      • defcon 4

        I've only recently begun reading about what happened to the parcee (I thought it was Parsi) community. They are Zoroastrians from what I understand and have suffered persecution and genocide at the hands of the muslimes for centuries.

  • Mary Sue

    We do need a term to describe not-muslim muslims (the ones that don't actually believe what their holy books teach). Sort of like the equivalent to a Nominal Christian (that believes in God and Jesus but doesn't believe the Bible is the inspired word of God and doesn't go to church).

    • WildJew

      Apostates?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "Apostates?"

        Technically yes. But an apostate is someone identified by the community as such. I think the most accurate would be cultural Muslim. But that may not be clear enough for use in every context. That is exactly what they are though.

        It's worth remembering that any human born to Muslim parents are also tallied as Muslim. Obviously there are not too many 4-year-old jihadis outside of the "Palestinian" community. That doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about them, but it does mean that when we count a supposed 1.5 billion Muslims that a large percentage are not even old enough to be indoctrinated jihadis yet.

        The DNA is in the culture and this is still dangerous but that is why we distinguish between potential jihadis and indoctrinated ones.

        To the retread bird, before you say what I know you will say; it's like saying that people born in the former Soviet Union are potential enemies of the West. Get it now? Muslims try to form a discrete culture. Their culture creates virtual borders every bit as significant as the "iron curtain" we used to be familiar with. They don't have the power in most places to put up "iron curtains" (examine London and Paris among other Euro capitals) but the will is every bit as strong as you'll find among any other believers in totalitarian ideologies.

    • Softly Bob

      Mary Sue – The term I use for 'moderate' Muslims who fail to understand their own religion or don't actually believe in it is 'pseudo-Muslim'.

    • mikeh420

      Humans?

    • Pinchas

      cultural Muslims?

    • JacksonPearson

      Mary Sue…there's no such person or thing as a "moderate Muslim," none whatsoever. A Muslim is either 100% Muhammadan, or else they're considered an infidel, or an apostate.

      A good example was stated by by:
      “These descriptions are very ugly. It is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam, and that’s it.”
      –Turkey’s Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

    • defcon 4

      Why don't you try introducing your concept of "moderate" islam into any islamofascist state in person? Put your faith in the good muzzies to the test. Don't bore us w/your naive fantasy, live the reality, in Iran, Somalia, Iraq, Syria, Indonesia, Libya, Egypt, Pakistain, Bangladesh.

      • Mary Sue

        Well, I'm talking about guys like Canadian Tarek Fatah, who *are* considered apostates by some of the more radical elements of Islam. Or the Imam that ratted out the guys that wanted to blow up the rail bridge at Niagara Falls.

    • Jon MC

      The Koran itself defines a term for them – they are one class of "hypocrites".
      They qualify in particular since they are loathe to murder "Kafirs" (non-Muslims).
      The Koran also states that they are to be fought against (according to some Tafseers more in terms of "harsh words" than swords) in order to return them to the fold of "true-believer" Muslims – Jihadists.

      • defcon 4

        Timur lane slaughtered such luke warm muslims en mass. Internecine muslime wars have been fought over the humane treatment of the kufr (in one instance an islamofascist state was attacked because they had become addicted to the jizya payments and weren't seeking to convert the filthy kufr to islam anymore).

    • kafir4life

      MINO?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "MINO?"

        That works too, just for fun if not for anything else.

  • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

    This IS authentic Islam – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/13/islam-blood-a

    Global jihad is not only sanctioned, but mandated under its Islamic umbrella. NOTHING is off the table, until Sharia Law submits the masses to the will of "Allah". Westerners must be as determined as Islamists to preserve their way of life, otherwise submission will come to all.

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel http://adinakutnicki.com/about/

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      Until someone reads surah 9, they won't understand how right you are.
      http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/9/

      • WilliamJamesWard

        Barak Hussein Benghazzi Obama=====Islam………………..William

    • kikorikid

      Yes Adinak,
      I remember during the Vietnam War that journalist
      refused to use the term "Bomb(s)". Ordinance was
      always substituted for Bombs.

  • F.K. Juliano

    The spirit of Skanderbeg lives on in Bosch Fawstin. May his courage help to liberate more Albanians from Islam and more Americans from the cult of "tolerance".

  • Michael Copeland

    Caution: this man is a radical extremist cartoonist.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      A real patriot, I understand. So, he'll be searched and groped getting on every plane.

      But islamic men chanting the koran will be allowed to carry knives under obama's new rules.

      It's all making sense now.

      What mosque did obama visit while traveling this last time? We know it's his protocol to do so… http://www.aolnews.com/2010/10/28/president-obama

      "Visiting a mosque while touring a Muslim region is standard protocol for the president, according to White House national security aide Ben Rhodes."

      • JacksonPearson

        "Visiting a mosque while touring a Muslim region is standard protocol for the president, according to White House national security aide Ben Rhodes."

        Add, as per Muslim customs, Obama's wife Mooch, never accompanies him on trips to Muslim Countries.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          I think on that particular trip she did. But she dressed with a big scarf and covered those huge muscular arms.

  • Adrian Rainbow

    Thank you, a common enemy will only be a common enemy, when it is defined as such.

  • festus magill

    Mary Sue, I've read your stuff before and usually agree with you but this time…? First of all their koran is NOT holy! And second, those who believe in God but do not read their Bible or go to church do not actually know Jesus or God. There is a difference of believing or knowing and believe me allah is not god but most likely satan. Keep up the good work, we are on the same team against islam:-)

    • Ceohtwo

      I have heard those "Christians" you describe called "practical atheists". I do not see a direct parallel for Islam since along with the descriptions of it as a malignant totalitarian ideology, if someone cares to call it a religion at all, it is a religion of works(I suggest the "interfaith" events change to "interworks" since the iffy Christian participants in those things seem to major on works.)
      Christianity is a religion of the heart and faith in the God of the bible is key. We are saved by God's redeeming power and nothing we do. Satan recognized(es) Jesus and was(is) under his authority, but Satan certainly has not received saving knowledge. Muslims seem to know they cannot ignore Christ, who must be neutralized, so a priority in Islam is to attack the deity of Christ. They need to catch up with their true founder in the acknowledgement of Christ (which would be a difficult needle to thread with their book).

    • Mary Sue

      Well of course it's not holy!

      • burkasrugly

        It is ideed NOT holy. It is farthest from that. Satan penned the Koran, Hadith, and Sira.

  • KTShamim

    This article is full of falsehood against Islam:

    Allegations against the Qur'anic verses:

    He quotes one verse but doesn't quote the one immediately preceding and immediately after:
    [9:4] Excepting those of the idolaters with whom you have entered into a treaty and who have not subsequently failed you in anything nor aided anyone against you. So fulfil to these the treaty you have made with them till their term. Surely, Allah loves those who are righteous.

    [9:6] And if anyone of the idolaters ask protection of thee, grant him protection so that he may hear the word of Allah; then convey him to his place of security. That is because they are a people who have no knowledge.
    [9:7] How can there be a treaty of these idolaters with Allah and His Messenger, except those with whom you entered into a treaty at the Sacred Mosque? So, as long as they stand true to you, stand true to them. Surely, Allah loves those who are righteous.

    Then, he dares criticize the epitome of peace, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him):
    1. Did not fight any wars while being heavily persecuted for 13 long years. Can you quote even ONE leader today who tells his people to be peaceful in the face of corporal violence and then the people actually listen to him? For 13 long years?
    2. Finally immigrated from his home and took up arms when the people back home didn't even leave him at peace in foreign land.
    3. When he finally returned home victorious he GRANTED GENERAL AMNESTY for all those who persecuted him and his community for 20 long years.

    Can you show a single example like this where a returning conqueror forgives his countless persecutors?

    Indonesia. Largest Muslim country. No Islamic "with sword" conquests ever recorded in history for that country. Go figure:

    [Qur'an 2:257] "There should be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong; … "

    Islam doesn't need, never needed, never wanted to spread by any force.

    Muslimsforlife(dot)org – successfully collected 10,000 pints of blood to honor 3,000 dead of 9/11 (by saving 30,000 lives.
    Muslimsforpeace(dot)org – condemning terrorism, promoting Islamic value of loyalty to ones nation, peace, bus-ads and flyers and leaflets to promote the same.

    • kafir4life

      Correction – islam is a gutter cult. It (and allah) was invented by a pedophilic maniac named mohamat. If you don't want to face the truth, that's fine. We don't expect muslims to do so. There may be some that call themselves muslims that don't obey the tenets of the faith, but they are being drowned out that understand the true meaning of the gutter cult of islam.

      • patriothere

        You're funny. You're just like Farrakhan when he said judaism is a gutter religion. I can agree with Farrakhan, but you, you're just a troll.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          And you are paid to be a bad boring troll evidently.

          6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
          I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            Roger 169p · 23 hours ago
            The Almighty gives life and it's His place to take it away. You can't show those Egyptians were perfect and didn't deserve it.

            The account shows God gave them several times to do the right thing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Notice the Almighty doesn't command His followers to do suicide vests?

          • You Know Who

            We all know he did not come to bring peace, just a sword

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, the life of the peaceful Christ has caused a lot of persecution, sadly.

          • You Know Who

            christians and peaceful???

            That's like saying musliums are peaceful.

            Both religions command violence

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Do Christians base jihad on mere rumors like you did in this one?

            24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
            "The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO "

            Wee, there is a reason you're banned from this site, you advocate violence as the best solution to everything. Why aren't you here on your real profile?
            http://intensedebate.com/people/WeeToddEdwards

          • You Know Who

            You call for jihad for no reason.

            Roger 166p • 12 minutes ago
            My chuckle is that Iran is going to slip one through our admittedly very porous southern border and then detonate this in a US city

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Poor little wee, that's your words, I was quoting you.

            And as usual you can't even do cut and paste correctly.

            It was like this.
            "My chuckle is that Iran is going to slip one through our admittedly very porous southern border and then detonate this in a US city…"

            That doesn't sound right either, you changed it slightly. You can't even quote yourself right? Wee, you small little man.

          • You Know Who

            I copied right from your profile, which is why I have the header and you don't. You slipped and get caught:
            Roger 166p • 12 minutes ago
            My chuckle is that Iran is going to slip one through our admittedly very porous southern border and then detonate this in a US city

            And your words go right along with people you allign yourself with:

            1 week ago @ http://912wolverines.com/ – growl • 19 replies • -6 points

            I'm hoping for a nuclear holocaust myself. I wouldn't shed a tear if the whole country was reduced to cinders. It's no more than we deserve.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course, I quoted you. It will be in my profile since I quoted you.

            And your words speak for themselves too.

            1 minute ago @ http://912wolverines.com/ – growl · 0 replies · +1 points
            "Sounds good to me. Let's get started. You first. How are you going to find me? I use a different ISP everyday "

            Is that how you're getting around the moderators who don't want you here working to destroy debate on this site?

            Ah, but that's just an explanation for the site.
            Now, back to your bent towards violence.

            Your words define you too!
            9 hours ago @ Pissed Off Pirate – It seems that the time… · 0 replies · +2 points
            "He acts like the classic High School Bully. I would smack him in the nose if I could."

            I suppose that's better than the church you declared jihad against.

          • Jack Nicholson

            That can't be true. This was on the internet so it has to be true: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPH4LRASWbo

            Dolt.

          • patriothere

            the lies of the hateful christ has caused death and genocide.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Like in Somalia and Sudan? Oops, my bad. Those are muslim hell holes.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "the lies of the hateful christ has caused death and genocide."

            Oh no. I lying troll trying to insult people. What to do?

            <Yawn>

          • aspacia

            patriot,

            Most recent genocide have been committed in the name of atheistic philosophies, i.e. communism. If you peruse the writing of of the Gnostics and early Christians some are hateful, but none has hateful as those of Mad Mo. Try to be objective.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "We all know he did not come to bring peace, just a sword"

            The sword of discernment. It's shown coming out of his mouth in place of his tongue in one vision. Not a physical sword. It's disturbs the spiritual peace of some people to have to contemplate the facts. If you want to prove me wrong you're going to need to show a complete case for your position.

          • You Know Who

            Don't forget what he said about facts:

            Roger 169p • 57 minutes ago
            Facts are an inconvenient stumbling block until you learn to ignore them.

            Roger 169p • 6 days ago
            Ignore the facts, they aren't important.

            As long as the agenda keeps moving forward…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wee, you small little man. Are you so cranky because you have no visible neck? http://intensedebate.com/people/WeeToddEdwards

            You push your muslim friendly agenda, and you ignore all else in doing so.
            You keep proving my point every time, you just can't get past the hate.

          • You Know Who

            Do you think everyone is Wee who disagress with you?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Do I think that everyone who sounds like wee and acts like wee (especially when wee admits to multiple profiles) has the distinct smell of wee to them.

          • onepornqueen

            Q. How do you separate a Muslim man from a Muslim boy?

            A. With a crowbar.

        • JacksonPearson

          PatriotNot…crawled out of his camel's azz….again!

          Islam provides only one prime source of information on Muhammad and the formation of Islam written within two centuries of the time he lived and it was conceived. Ishaq’s Sira, or Biography, stands alone—a singular and tenuous thread connecting us to a very troubled man and time. Over the next two hundred years, other Hadith Collections were compiled by the likes of Tabari, Bukhari, and Muslim. Their assemblages of oral reports, or Traditions, were said to have been inspired by Allah. They purport to convey Muhammad’s words and example. They also explain the Qur’an—a book so deficient in context and chronology, it can only be understood when seen through the eyes of the Sunnah writers.

          But you don’t have to dig very deep to find the truth. Even a cursory reading of the Qur’an is sufficient to prove that it is a fraud. There is no way the creator of the universe wrote a book devoid of context, without chronology or intelligent transitions. Such a creative spirit wouldn’t need to plagiarize. He would know history and science and thus wouldn’t have made such a fool of himself. The God who created man wouldn’t deceive him or lead him to hell as Allah does. Nor would he order men to terrorize, mutilate, rob, enslave, and slaughter the followers of other Scriptures he claims he revealed, wiping them out to the last. One doesn’t need a scholastic review of the Qur’anic text to disprove its veracity. It destroys itself quite nicely.

        • Drakken

          Silly muzzy, infidel lands are for us infidels, not you muzzys. You would be much happier in the islamic paradise of your choice and a hearty good effing riddance.

        • .1cornpone

          Allahu Jockrot!

        • aspacia

          patriot,

          If you are Christian, remember Jesus was of the Jewish tribe of David.

          • patriothere

            I'm not a christian. I'm an atheist. roger thinks everything is black and white. He's stupid and a troll. If you're not on his side, if you're not an ideologue like him then you must be a muslim-marxist who hates freedom and free markets and capitalism blah blah blah.

            Roger is a fundamentalist, and ideologue. He has no understanding of critical thinking, having an open mind, thinking for himself etc. He would rather just belong to some party line with talking points.

            He's also a troll.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're a muslim loyal paid poster.

            What part of that is confusing, you admitted it?

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            I'm not a christian. I'm an atheist. roger thinks everything is black and white. He's stupid and a troll. If you're not on his side, if you're not an ideologue like him then you must be a muslim-marxist who hates freedom and free markets and capitalism blah blah blah.

            Roger is a fundamentalist, and ideologue. He has no understanding of critical thinking, having an open mind, thinking for himself etc. He would rather just belong to some party line with talking points.

            He's also a troll.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I think you're an admitted muslim loyal paid poster here to stop debate.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • You Know Who

            Yes he is

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wee, I realize you can't come here with your own profile.
            http://intensedebate.com/people/WeeToddEdwards

            You also know as a trista parsi troll you sit at your work terminal spewing propaganda much like he does.

          • onepornqueen

            Q. How did the Muslim mother teach her son which way to put his underwear on?

            A. Fuse in the front!

          • aspacia

            I am a Deist. I am not here to judge you nor Rodger.. I was simply stating a fact.

      • johnnywoods

        Allah was NOT invented by Mohamhead. He was a demon from creation when Satan fell and took his followers with him.

        • US Muslim

          Tell that to Arab Christians who worship ALLAH in their churches.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They are being slaughtered and driven out.
            Like the Copts.

            Do you really think you're going to fool anyone here?
            Just days ago two bishops were kidnapped in Damascus.

          • US Muslim

            our ignorance shows once again.

            Thae Copts aren't Arabs…they don't use Allah in their services, but that's besides the point. Arab Christians here in the USA still worship Allah in their church services when they hold them in Arabic.

            I know what's going on with Christians in the Middle East. It's absolutely disgraceful and un-Islamic. But that's besides the point I was trying to make…if Allah is some sort of demon, why then would Arab Christians still worship Allah?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You really are a piece of work.
            You bring up the arab Christians. There were huge numbers of Arab Christians, Lebanon used to be Christian, Damascus has the earliest of Christian groups historically and after bringing them up and pretending your savage barbaric allah is the same as our Almighty don't even address the issue that those Christians face the most horrible and inhumane treatment that those muslims can devise.

            You brush that off as non islamic while pretending you're not for 'sharia' and are a 'moderate' of some sort loyal to the US constitution. You dropped the ball, your absence of calling it murder for islam is telling.

            And you know what's going on. You admit it. The problem is you're a liar and what is happening is islamic. That's why your point is a lie.

          • US Muslim

            It's less Islamic than the persecution of Galileo was "Christian". You call me a liar for simply disagreeing with you.

            Islam is MY religion, not yours. If it really was as evil as you claim it to be, I would not be following it. But you're too retarded to connect the dots. Go back to your prayer closet and maybe the bogeyman that you worship there will come up with some more false answers for you.

          • Drakken

            Do yourself a huge favor muslim, get out of the west while you still can, the coming days are going to be rather difficult for you. Christian arabs do not in any way, shape or form worship the same God as you muslims period, to say they do is an outright lie.

          • Mary Sue

            Let me guess. YOu don't actually understand Arabic, do you? You only know the Koran by Rote in Arabic and don't actually understand what it says, and instead rely on what the Imams tell you?

            THe last time crap like that happened in Christianity, it resulted in the Reformation.

          • Mary Sue

            Those Muslims that do those things in Egypt against Christians would call YOU Un-Islamic! And don't ever kid yourself thinking they wouldn't!

          • Mary Sue

            also reading comprehension fail, dude. Roger didn't say the Copts were Arabs. He said the Arab Christians were being driven out the same way as the Copts.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Tell that to Arab Christians who worship ALLAH in their churches."

            Anyone thinking that allah represents God as taught by the Bible is simply deceived. Just as all believing Muslims are deceived thinking that allah is a true god.

            Howl at the moon much?

          • US Muslim

            The FACTS are not on your side.

            Allah is abridged Arabic for "Al-Ilah" or "The God". I worship the God of Adam & Eve, Noah, Abraham, Hagar, Ishmael, Sarah, Isaac, etc. and I'm a Muslim and perfectly happy to be so. Don't like it? Cry me a river.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The facts are on ofm's side.

            allah wants and demands submission to the point of suicide vests and car bombs blowign up other muslims.

            The Almighty does His own dirty work and doesn't even allow lies.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I worship the God of Adam & Eve, Noah, Abraham, Hagar, Ishmael, Sarah, Isaac, etc. and I'm a Muslim and perfectly happy to be so."

            I guess you miss the salient point: You don't. You worship a liar who invented a religion that supposedly corrected the Hebrew prophets. You worship an invention of man, inspired by Satan, the great deceiver. You're one of the deceived.

          • US Muslim

            You're an idiot and a liar. Even your username is a lie…mine isn't. Objective facts don't matter to you.

            Islam isn't even about the worship of Muhammad…the Qur'an clearly makes this point, a point that Abu Bakr drove home to the Muslim masses when news broke out that Muhammad had passed on.

            Moron…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, they do matter to him.
            So, your propaganda is hitting a brick wall.

            And it's about subjection to allah, even if it means suicide bombs and jihad.

            You're a useless tool, since we're on to you.

          • You Know Who

            How would you know you ignore them?

            Roger 169p • 57 minutes ago
            Facts are an inconvenient stumbling block until you learn to ignore them.

            Roger 169p • 6 days ago
            Ignore the facts, they aren't important.

            As long as the agenda keeps moving forward…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You ignore them all the time, as a muslim loyal troll you have no choice.

            And you keep coming back and proving my comment correct.

            So, you going to declare jihad again?
            24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
            The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO

          • You Know Who

            No, roger you see you said that YOU ignore them. Let me quote you:
            Roger 169p • 57 minutes ago
            Facts are an inconvenient stumbling block until you learn to ignore them.

            Roger 169p • 6 days ago
            Ignore the facts, they aren't important.

            As long as the agenda keeps moving forward…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            See, you gloss right by the facts and stick to your agenda, trolling and spamming the site to stop all serious debate. No wonder you were banned.
            http://intensedebate.com/people/WeeToddEdwards

          • Mary Sue

            Any "holy book" that advocates the slaughter of unbelievers is the wroooooooooooooong religion, pal.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Islam isn't even about the worship of Muhammad…the Qur'an clearly makes this point, a point that Abu Bakr drove home to the Muslim masses when news broke out that Muhammad had passed on."

            Allah was a proxy for Mohammed's will. Abu Bakr may have been deceived or may have seen the political benefits of continuing the totalitarian belief system.

          • US Muslim

            "Allah was a proxy for Mohammed's will. Abu Bakr may have been deceived or may have seen the political benefits of continuing the totalitarian belief system."
            I know a load of crap when I smell one and this one absolutely STINKS of one.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Almost stinks as much as you do.
            But not quite…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Allah is abridged Arabic for "Al-Ilah" or "The God"."

            Yes, but in Arabic that always refers to the moon god allah. And if we simply accept your explanation without pointing to the moon god, how does that support your original point that any Christians worship the same god that you do? It doesn't at all. If it's simply "the God" without any specific reference then your original point is without basis. Allah is a specific reference to the moon god of Arab Paganism. If anyone has been deceived with explanations about vague references to "the god" then it still doesn't serve your original point at all about the allegation that Islam has the same god that the Hebrew prophets revealed.

            That's a huge Satanic lie.

          • US Muslim

            Everything that you don't understand (or want to understand is a lie to you.

            When Jesus returns, you will be his enemy. Just as those Jews who wanted him crucified after they had been calling for their Messiah to come.

            There is a disease in your heart. Want a cure for it? Let Satan out of it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why don't you worry about doing enough jihad to please allah and we'll worry about doing enough good to please Jesus.

            The two are so opposite you frankly wouldn't know what Christians strive for to please God.

          • Drakken

            That is pretty funny coming from you muslims who worship the devil himself and call us infidels evil, how bloody ironic!

          • Mary Sue

            I got bad news for you. Jesus is going to look at you and say to you, "I never knew you."

          • trickyblain

            Speaking on behalf of Jesus? Last I checked, ultimate judgement is reserved to god. It's pretty clear from your posts that you ain't god.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Speaking on behalf of Jesus? Last I checked, ultimate judgement is reserved to god."

            Ultimate judgment is distinct from discernment and exhortations. She's following the texts clearly even if she didn't articulate her entire justification.

            According to the texts, Mohammed was clearly an anti-Christ. Calling an anti-Christ a prophet will not lead to Jesus greeting you unless you repent. He will indeed say, "I never knew you."

          • Mary Sue

            Nope, simply quoting the Bible. The Muslims have co-opted Jesus and they stand for things he would never countenance. They think Jesus is coming with Mohammed and some other crazy things.

          • You Know Who

            These people think they are god

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You think you're human. You're farther from the truth than they are.

          • You Know Who

            I know I am. You're bottom feeding pond scum

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Poor little wee.
            Too bad you don't have any visible neck. Even the cowboy hat can't hide it.
            http://intensedebate.com/people/WeeToddEdwards

          • You Know Who

            Can you prove that?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Can you show she's wrong?

          • You Know Who

            Can you show she's right?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Can you show you're right?You trista parsi trolls are getting so angry!

          • You Know Who

            Can you show I'm wrong?

            Angry? Please. trista parsi?

            Boy you sure are judemental. That a teaching aof jesus? Oh wait you only follow certain teachings and ignore the rest. So you're not a real christian, just a hateful uneducated bigot that ignores facts.

            Roger 169p • 57 minutes ago
            Facts are an inconvenient stumbling block until you learn to ignore them.

            Roger 169p • 6 days ago
            Ignore the facts, they aren't important.

            As long as the agenda keeps moving forward…

          • onepornqueen
          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'm sorry I thought it was wrong but couldn't help myself, I still laughed!

          • You Know Who

            You're always wrong

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Because you say so? You can't even show your face here.

            You have no credibility wee, none.

          • US Muslim

            Of course you're worong. You can't face facts…they're too scary. Like the wee little thing between your legs you worship in your closet. I believe Bob and Tom had a song about it: "Dear Pen!s, I don't like you anymore…"

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'm using my own profile, wee isn't.

            So the facts are what I said and you're a pathetic liar (muslim).

            And my dog had a memorial to you, it took a big dump.

          • US Muslim

            "And my dog had a memorial to you, it took a big dump"
            Where, on your face while you slept? No surprise there.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't know, where on your face did you have the pile in the morning?

            You're just not up to this kind of debate are you? You may have been sheltered in muslim circles and been taught that all infidels bow to the fear of allah. If they told you that, they were mistaken.

          • US Muslim

            Actually, I learned that people like Roger Russell actually THINK they own God, and that God takes orders from them, and that He built Paradise specifically for Roger Russell, who will have the final say on who enters Paradise and who enters hell. Hallellujah!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're still delusional, you know that don't you?

          • US Muslim

            I don't know if it's possible to know when one is delusional…you could be delusional but would never know that you are.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You don't seem to be aware of it. Or as a typical lying muslim you just use al taqiyya to excuse the garbage you've been putting out here.

          • US Muslim

            Lying slandering moron…that's what you are, Roger Russell. And you have the gall of accusing others of engaging in personal insults. You are a disgrace to mankind, to Christianity and to civilization. Nobody likes you here anymore…all your friends have left.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            What's wrong?
            I've owned you on so many things in this thread, can't that poor little muslim pretender that can't even control his wife and is too cowardly to treat her the way islam teaches him too? That you, that coward are just going to stoop to personal attacks?

            Did your wife and her family tell you too? Since you seem so scare of them and all…

            And yes, most people have moved on. This story is a week old. Did that escape your muslim mind?

            Nope, you have to pretend to have the last word like most regressive islamic fools.

          • US Muslim

            Speak for yourself…you're still here, too. Is this how you get your kicks?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I sleep at night better knowing I've done all I can to protect my values and my freedoms from the prison of sharia.

          • US Muslim

            In an Internet forum??? Like that's gonna stop ANY Jihadi from blowing something up. What reality do you live in? My guess is that you're nothing but an egomaniac whit a serious mental problem. Go see your shrink.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If this forum is so useless, why are you here?
            Go see your cleric.

          • US Muslim

            Simple…to yank at your chain.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            All the llies, all the complete misrepresentations, you knew you were lying and you don't care. You are so typical of islam.

          • You Know Who

            And what have you done? Attcked and called everyone you hate a muslium online? That's all you can do?
            If that's all you can do to you're more pathetic than I thought.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I've exposed your hate and muslim loyal agenda.

          • US Muslim

            And I've got bad news for YOU. Jesus never claimed to be God. The Bible always referred to him as the son of MAN. He even denied being GOOD according to the Bible.

            And he wasn't the first or last religious figure who was elevated to the position of a deity by his more fanatical followers, either.

            The Jews of Jesus's time were anticipating the coming of their Messiah. Jesus was their Messiah sent to them by God, but they rejected him. And FYI, we're not expecting Muhammad to come back. But we do expect Jesus to come back. What if you fail to recognize him when he does? The Jews of Judea already did. You could, too.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "And I've got bad news for YOU. Jesus never claimed to be God."

            It's implied.

            "The Bible always referred to him as the son of MAN."

            And more.

            "He even denied being GOOD according to the Bible."

            That's incorrect. He asked a provocative question that is presented by skeptics as you claim.

            "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."

            Therefore he implied that he is either not good, or that he is associated (one) with God. There's more to it than that, but it adds up to the various trinity teachings. He doesn't explicitly say that he is not good. Elsewhere it states that he alone is without sin. On what basis then would you say he is not good?

            "The Jews of Jesus's time were anticipating the coming of their Messiah. Jesus was their Messiah sent to them by God…"

            If you believe that and have not rejected him, you need to figure out more precisely what that means. According to the Bible, only God can save. The Messiah saves. He is therefore united with God in some way that perhaps as humans we can't fully explain.

            "…but they rejected him."

            Some Jews accepted him, and others rejected him. Some people throughout the world accept him, other people throughout the world reject him.

            "And FYI, we're not expecting Muhammad to come back. But we do expect Jesus to come back."

            On what basis? What will Jesus do when he returns?

            "What if you fail to recognize him when he does?"

            Well we're not ready for that discussion yet. I'm not worried for myself.

            "The Jews of Judea already did. You could, too."

            What matters is rejecting him at the time each of us are judged. Plenty of Jews in Judea accept Christ, and virtually every Muslim rejects Christ. They think they accept "Isa" but they have no good reason to do so.

            Jews are a lot closer to the correct texts, but that doesn't make them "better." It just gives them a better chance from my perspective, but I really don't know what leads people to wake up to the facts. One has to care enough to start, I think. That is something I'm not in a position to judge.

          • US Muslim

            The Jews know their texts better than Christians do…they were written by their own forefathers in their own language.

            Note that Jesus also mentioned in the Bible that the Father was greater than he was. If this was so, then there is NO WAY that he could have been God.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course there is, and the nature of the God-Head is explained in many different ways, some don't believe in the trinity (A word not found in the Bible) some do. But Christians would never blow up each other in market places to murder the other side.

            And Christ said if you saw Him you saw the Father. There is a way that He was God.

          • US Muslim

            "But Christians would never blow up each other in market places to murder the other side. "
            Hmm…Anyone remember what happened in Sarajevo between 1992 and 1995? Serb CHRISTIANS were involved in shelling the city of Sarajevo from the surrounding mountains. Want more? How about the assaults that the Christian Dayaks waged against the Muslim Madurese? That conflict has been going on since the 1990s and has resulted in the virtual extinction of the Madurese community in Borneo. How about Wounded Knee? Hypatia? The countless wars all over Europe that finally came to an end only in 1945? The hundred year war between England and France? Who did the American Colonists have to fight against for independence? Who waged pogroms against Jews all over Eastern and Central Europe? Why didn't the blood libel against them go away when Christianity triumphed? And whatever happened to all of those Europeans that practiced their pre-Christian religions? Surely they couldn't ALL have become Christians willingly? I've got news for you: Those who didn't become Christians were WIPED OUT.

            "And Christ said if you saw Him you saw the Father. There is a way that He was God."
            You refuse to take the Bible literally, while you accuse me of being a false Muslim for not taking the Qur'an literally. So I will judge based on standards that you have set forth: QUIT TWISTING THE WORDS OF THE BIBLE TO FIT YOUR BELIEFS, ROGER!! I know what the Bible said…Jesus NEVER ONCE claimed to be God.

            He worshiped Allah. And he prayed to Allah to grant that Lazarus rise from the dead, and Allah granted him his wish.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Let's see. muslims were killing Christians and they fought back. Why do you think self defense is a vice?

            And what about the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, are you going to pretend that isn't happening?

            You just get to tell me what the Bible says. Direct quotes mean what they say. And you haven't shown slaughter happened to keep the teachings of Christ. I've done that with the koran.

            So, you're just a nigerian pretender.

            9:14 Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.

          • US Muslim

            You're a slanderer and a liar. That whole mess started with Christian SERBS attempting to turn Yugoslavia into "Greater Serbia".

            They attacked not just Muslims but Christians as well. Muslims had no reason to attack them…the Serbs fired the first shots, and kept firing.

            Ironically, the Serbs got what they wanted…greater Serbia, comprising of just what they had prior to WWI. God has a way of rewarding wickedness and greed, doesn't He?

            And here's another thing: Since Christians have failed to uphold the values of Jesus (though not the Old Testament which calls for slaughter far more than the Qur'an does) then I can correctly conclude that Christianity is not a practical religion but an illusion to be upheld and beat down with. That's what you do here.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            muslims have been slaughtering Christians since the Byzantines hired them to fight in serbia for them.

            On a different front perhaps. But for you to pretend islam hasn't been cleansing the region as fast as they had weapons and the means to do so is an untruth.

          • kafir4life

            Crabnutters Mikey from Richardson is back!!

            Still worshipping that made up moon god invented by the pedophile mohamat, the shatter of the koran?

          • You Know Who

            No, they are not. Matter of fact here is what roger says about facts:

            Roger 169p • 57 minutes ago
            Facts are an inconvenient stumbling block until you learn to ignore them.

            Roger 169p • 6 days ago
            Ignore the facts, they aren't important.

            As long as the agenda keeps moving forward…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The fact is that when you advocate for violence and the muslim agenda I do think it's over facts and that you find them inconvenient.

          • You Know Who

            That's not what you said. Here I will quote you since you seem to forget:

            Roger 169p • 57 minutes ago
            Facts are an inconvenient stumbling block until you learn to ignore them.

            Roger 169p • 6 days ago
            Ignore the facts, they aren't important.

            As long as the agenda keeps moving forward…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you just proved my point. You don't care about facts just pushing your agenda.

          • onepornqueen

            Q: Why is there so much food at a Muslim wedding?

            A: To keep the flies off the bride.

          • US Muslim

            Jealous that the only action you get is in front of a camera? You sure sound lonely…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            What's wrong? Did the goat leave you in a bad mood?

          • US Muslim

            Did you two do a porn flick together? Sure sounds like it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are so left behind, aren't you?
            What's wrong hoping for some video to turn your goat on?

          • US Muslim

            I see…sounds like you got the hots for each other after all. I can see it now…a guy who thinks himself to be a devout Christian turned into a gimp by some hot porno chick with a whip and a dog collar. Am I making you poke around your rear hole with excitement or what???

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            As a muslim you might hope so.

            Why can't you just enjoy the women you have?

          • US Muslim

            I enjoy being with my wife all the time. DO you enjoy being with your husband? Or did he leave you, too?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Does she get any say in it, or is that where the muslim wife beating comes into it?

          • US Muslim

            If I beat my wife, she would have left me. She has family here…she's not the kind of person who would have tolerated that. And besides, I couldn't bring myself to strike her, anyway….

            Not everyone's like you, Roger. I wonder why YOUR wife left you…did you beat her or something? Of course, it was probably her fault…it could never be your fault. Right, Roger Russell?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then you must be a weak lousy muslim.

            No wonder you come here pretending.

          • US Muslim

            You hate Islam but you hate me more for being a "lousy Muslim" So which is worse? To be a Muslim or to not be a Muslim? Make up your mind.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I hate the barbarism islam forces upon the world. I denounce the way it despises real civilization in it's drive to push us back to a dark era in the world, the 8th century mindset.

            And you, you are a hack – a shill for that darkness.

          • US Muslim

            The truth is that Islam created a new civilization in its own right when it exploded out of Arabia. Christianity, on the other hand, brought about the Dark Ages in Europe.

            You see, my ancestors bathed daily. Yours bathed yearly.

            Mine used modern, zero-based numerals that we use today. Yours used Roman Numerals…and your popes FORBADE the use of "Islamic" numbers (they were originally from India; you can thank the Arab Muslims for bringing them to the West).

            Mine lived in solid houses in large cities. Yours lived in shacks along a river.

            Punishments in Islam were swift and deterring. Punishments in Christian Europe were incredibly brutal and agonizing…which is why the Founding Fathers of the USA forbade "cruel and unusual punishments".

            I could go on. If Islam could be a civilizing power before, it could become one again. It might even end up resuing Western Civilization from itself.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If that civilization was so great, why do you force capitulation and stone apostates? Why not let people freely choose without car bombs, no suicide vests, no jihad. Why not let the beauty of islam be the will of the people stuck under it?

            You can't because it's a horrible system that time has passed by. The rest of the world advanced and the forced mentality was trapped in the past.

            Stoning rape victims is not civilized, and the system that brings that about is barbaric.

            You could go on, and none of it would change the facts. islam is not a civilizing power, not when it forces women into a second class human standing. It won't rescue us from anything. It can't even rescue itself.

          • You Know Who

            He did say this about goats one time:

            Roger replied to your comment on Islamophobia: Thought Crime of the Totalitarian Future / Frontpage Magazine :

            No, just more of your sexy goats?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Oh wee, you tiny little man. You just sound so stressed, here how about a nice movie to help you deal with that?
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScCa7fZ-xPA

          • You Know Who

            Are you posting more animal porn?

            I don't open your links.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why do you get turned on by a cartoon of a naked goat?

            Normal folks don't. You muslim loyal trolls really need to go back to the arabian desert you crawled out of.

          • Mary Sue

            Because they think that "Allah" is the arabic word for god.

            This apparently doesn't matter because they don't follow Muhammed.

          • US Muslim

            They don't think. They KNOW. The use of ALLAH for God by Arab Christians predates Islam. What did you expect them to call Him? Jehovah? Every culture has its own name for God but refer to the same Deity.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            But they didn't serve an allah that demanded surah 9 mandates for all non Christians.

            Our Allah hates a lie and the liar that uses it.
            Not your allah, the two are totally opposites of each other.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "The use of ALLAH for God by Arab Christians predates Islam."

            That's theoretically possible but I've never seen any evidence for that other than Islamic sources. That would only be coincidence given the etymology of the word. It's not really a proper noun unless applied to the Pagan moon god. In any case, if you can show that it still doesn't show that Islamic texts refer to the God referred to in the Bible. They might think they do, but you can't argue then that the Bible is talking about the god of Islam because it's not. There is simply zero evidence for that until Mohammed came along. And all we have are his claims.

            It's still circular logic. In addition, "the god" is still not a proper name and a proper way to identify anyone unless you've already made the case that everyone believes in the same god. They don't.

            Put simply, we understand why Muslims claim to worship the God of the Bible because they are taught that they have the corrected teachings. By insisting that it's globally true you are trying to use your faith as evidence. That's circular logic.

          • US Muslim

            "That's theoretically possible but I've never seen any evidence for that other than Islamic sources."
            Well, there are Christians in the Middle East who remained unconverted since the earliest times. Why would they start worshiping Allah without converting to Islam? To fool their Muslim rulers? They wouldn't have been fooled…the Christians still worshiped in their own way in their churches.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And they are being slaughtered and driven out. They don't worship the 'right' allah and they don't do it the right ways. No suicide bombers, no child brides, nothing that bows to islam.

            So, they have to be removed. How many churches are still in Saudi Arabia?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Well, there are Christians in the Middle East who remained unconverted since the earliest times. Why would they start worshiping Allah without converting to Islam?"

            One of us is confused. I've already stated my reasoning. If they refer to "Allah" they are using the word in place of "the God" rather than as a proper noun. It certainly does not indicate harmony with Arab Pagan or Islamic claims about who God is.

            That's the bottom line.

          • US Muslim

            No…the bottom line is that there is only One God, and it doesn't matter what name He goes by. None of us own Him. He owns us. And we shall all stand before Him on Judgment Day. And hopefully He will be Merciful to us.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "No…the bottom line is that there is only One God, and it doesn't matter what name He goes by. None of us own Him. He owns us. And we shall all stand before Him on Judgment Day. And hopefully He will be Merciful to us."

            That might be the bottom line on judgment day AFTER we've either done his will or blown off what He expects. But knowing who he is and what he asks you to do just might require you to discover the facts about the distinctions.

            So you might be right in theory, if He doesn't care. Do you think he cares whether people pursue the truth about him? How much diligence would He expect?

          • US Muslim

            I've pursued the truth all my life and strongly believe that I am on the right path as a Muslim. I believe facts and logic are on my side.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then when are you going to be a real muslim and go SoA on us?

            Facts are that islam has slaughtered millions since it fought its way out the desert. And logic? Why is that logical to force women into second class 'limited' status?

          • US Muslim

            Oh, right…and Christians never slaughtered anyone. So full of love they were…and if they did, it was all the fault of the Muslims, right?

            In case you didn't read it, God considers men and women to be the two HALVES according to the Qur'an. We are different and play different roles, that's all. Maybe you're one of those femenazi types, trying to impress the porno queen here…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, Christians never slaughtered anyone to keep the teachings of Christ.

            And islam? It's been busy since mohammed was tossed from mecca and came clawing his way out of the desert.

            And I don't care what the koran says. I don't care if muslims pretend to be a reasonable religion. It's not. What you say here isn't worth the spit you took to type it.

            islam today treats women like dogs, or worse. If you don't like that reality then go to mecca and put a thesis on the door like Martin Luther did.

            Or would you suffer a fate that the Catholics didn't even do to him?

          • US Muslim

            Sure they did. The Spanish Inquisition, the forced baptisms of Jews and pagans, the slaughters of Jews, the virtual wiping out of European paganism, the Reformation wars, etc.

            Poor Roger. You actually think I don't know my history? And you're the one who was OK with Hypatia being brutally killed by a Christian mob for "dressing like a man". Go figure.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And those abuses were never to keep the teachings of Christ.

            You really ought to read the comment before making up a lie to counter it.

    • Lan Astaslem

      You are barking up the wrong tree muzzy. The world is waking up to the bloodthirsty savagery that is islam. The muslim filth that has invaded numerous countries have worn out their welcome. Pack up your burqas and goats, go back to your islamo-cesspools and stay there.

      • US Muslim

        The USA is MY country. People like you and the liberals are fouling it up…I don't want you here anymore. Leave.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          How about we figure out who can be trusted and toss everyone else?
          Who many in your mosque would need seats on the flight out?

          • US Muslim

            Not many, if any at all, I hope. And if anyone there didn't like the USA or its Constitution, I would tell them that it would be HARAM for them to stay here and that they should leave.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Since they must submit to allah over our secular government that would mean all loyal muslims.

          • Mary Sue

            I think you're sorely mistaken or deluded on the actual tenets of your faith outside the five pillars.

          • US Muslim

            The Five Pillars of Islam are the foundations of Islam. Without them Islam is nothing. And besides, the original 10 Commandments from God to Moses and his people haven't gone anywhere, either, which forms the basis of the rest of Islam.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then you better to do a martin luther and nail a 5 point thesis to the mecca mosque door and save your religion of peace. Because the world is facing a totally different animal than you are pretending exists.

          • Pastor Paul

            Roger, I was sent a link to your profile and asked if you were a real Christian. You need to come back to the teachings of The Christ. You have lost your way and need lead back. Please let me help you. You have anger and we can help you.

            Matthew 7:12

          • You Know Who

            There is no hope for this one. He lost his way when I made him a hateful bigot. Of course your religion does that to a lot of people huh?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            There isn't any hope for you, outside of islamic barbarism.
            That's why you cling to jihad and hate.

            24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
            The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO

          • You Know Who

            Did you tell him you said this?

            Roger 162p • 4 days ago
            My chuckle is that Iran is going to slip one through our admittedly very porous southern border and then detonate this in a US city…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            We both know that you said it and I quoted you.

            And that if you wanted to, you could change you mind and just say so.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Pastor Paul, which banned muslim friendly troll are you?
            They've had my book links and the ability to contact me personally, you could if you were real. But you're not.

            So, go defend islamic trolls elsewhere, I'm not buying it.

          • You Know Who

            So what I mean

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wee, you small litlte man. Did you have an extra flask of mtn dew at lunch?

        • Drakken

          Soon muslim that Crusade you fear will come to pass, you belong to the umma, not the west so leave now in peace and live in the islamic paradise of your choice. God bless the Crusades.

          • US Muslim

            I fear no Crusade. Wanna launch a Crusade? Make sure your life insurance is paid up, 'cos I'll do what I can to defend my family and my property. Or better still, keep a big jar of Vaseline with you…you'll need it when you get thrown into a slammer with Big Bad Bubba.

            I will not leave the USA. This is my country now. I have worked long and hard for it unlike you who was probably given it when you were born. Spoiled brat…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Such brave words from a Nigerian that's loyal to the US (snicker, snicker) and pretends to be a patriot.

            You still identify yourself with the muslim militants. It's called a freudian slip.

          • US Muslim

            Such words of wisdom from a failed author, failed husband, compulsive troll, and a 50 year old Momma's boy (titter)

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            My, the muslim loyal troll pretends to know about me.
            All those were wrong, but then failed trolls seem to enjoy being mired in lies.
            And the book is doing fine.

            So, want to make up anything else?
            And how are your wife's 'beef balls'? Doesn't that just explain how muslim women walk funny under their burkas.

            And that feminine tittering, it makes me wonder if you're from gaza perhaps?
            http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/17/gaza.ge

          • You Know Who

            YOU got all that right.

            Especially his crappy books

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Nope, I haven't written in the koran.

          • You Know Who

            The koran makes your books look good

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why is it a better wipe?
            Is it more violent and barbaric?

            Is it better able to stoke your hatred and bigotry?

            MY book wasn't written for islamic apologists.

        • kafir4life

          Abbie – Followers of the pedophile mohamat, the shatter of the terror guide the koran, and inventor of islam and allahahaha the moon god are just terrorists.

        • defcon 4

          Interesting how the islamofascist stresses the word MY. Of course muslimes believe the whole world is theirs, given to them by their death god.

        • KarshiKhanabad

          Whoa! Yankee Doodle Muslim is telling "infidels" who disagree with him to leave this our nation!?

          You and how many jihadi terrorists, YDM?

          • US Muslim

            Simpleton…we can all agree to disagree. But if any of you wants to violate the Constitutional rights of your fellow Americans simply based on religious differences, then that makes you no better than the Jihadists who openly spit on the US Constitution.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            But islamic activists can't do that. They tell us to disagree is to make ourselves targets for attack.

          • patriothere

            islamic activists are forbidden to kill women and children. The quran makes it clear to not kill innocent people.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They do it constantly. Ever read about a car bomb at a market place?

          • patriothere

            Muslims don't do it. The minute somebody kills an innocent man woman or child they are no longer considered Muslims.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Go to al jazeera and read the news.

            You're paid and handled, too bad your handlers are so lame.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Muslims don't do it. The minute somebody kills an innocent man woman or child they are no longer considered Muslims."

            Was Arafat a Muslim? Was he declared an apostate by anyone? Is Abbas aka "Abu Mazen" an apostate?

            You're a bad liar.

          • onepornqueen

            Q: Wanna hear a joke?

            A: Muslim Women's Rights.

          • US Muslim

            Tell my wife she has no rights. Pervert…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Is he allowed to talk to her without a male relative there to 'protect' her?

            Creepy liar.

          • US Muslim

            Sure he is. But I won't have you near her not because you might harm her, as I believe you've got no balls. I just believe you're not worthy of being in her presence. She deserves to be around good company only.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, you don't allow her to make any choices – you get to make all that for her. I figured, is she a limited person who is yours to beat as you feel she deserves too?

          • US Muslim

            Did your wife leave you because you soiled yourself when given a chance to protect her from being harmed? I don't blame her…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Did your goat leave you since you soiled all over it all the time?

          • URanIdjit

            Predictable Roger.

            A few posts back, he brings up the bong.
            Now here he brings up the goat.
            Wait five minutes, and he will be back babbling about Sharia.

            What a idiot.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            islam is what it is.You're an idjit if you don't expect people to say so.

          • TCBElvis

            Roger has just pulled an Elvis and left the building. That is his modus operandi. He has now gone over to the 912 Communique. That is what he does. When it gets too hot in one kitchen and he can't stand the heat, he leave. Flitting from here, to there, to the Growl, to Navy germs site. Everywhere but Breitbart. They want no part of him.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I like discussing ideas and current events.

            You trolls don't limit or define me. Defending my values and religion may take some time, but I still have the energy and determination to do what I come to intense debate for, to discuss with serious minds new and serious ideas.

          • You Know Who

            Then go discuss and quit stalking. No one wants you stalking them all day like a sick perverted freak.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are the sick freak.You're the one that advocates violence and defends it!Don't pretend you're mainstream outside of sharia.

          • You Know Who

            No you are the sick freak. You stalk multiple men online everyday.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still pretending that you can advocate violence and pretend to be normal?

            Wee, you are a small little man.
            And you stalk Christianity all day long. Your muslim loyalties demand it.

          • US Muslim

            If you're a true Christian, then I'm a fanatical Shinto.

            You're no different from the Islamic extremists. They claim to represent all of Islam, true Islam. Just as you claim to be the true embodiment of Christianity. Fortunately, I know better.

            I strongly believe that I'm on the right track as far as Islam is concerned, but I don't speak for other Muslims. I can only speak for myself and for my beliefs..

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Oh I"m different. I don't beat my wife, I don't lie and deny what my religion is about (like you do) and I don't even do personal attacks as a side step.

            You're just lie to cover for your barbaric forced style of life.

            And if you truly believe what you pretend to here, then either you'd be the victim of an honor killing or you're lying.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Your wife Joy?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you're still stalking me hoping for personal information.

            Why don't you explain again how you want to do that chop chop?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            You just told everybody you have a wife. Stop giving out personal information on ID.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I just reminded everybody you're a stalker.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            You said that you didn't beat your wife Joy.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I said you're still a stick stalker.

          • AlinHeroPartDeux

            Seek professional help.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            At least I still have my head, even if the stalker wants to chop it off.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            At least I still have my head

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            You said you have a wife. And that you didn't beat her.

            I'm sure you have never even touched her.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'm sure it's none of your business.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            You are the one mentioning to everybody you dabout your wife.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still the stalker troll pushing for personal information?

          • US Muslim

            You want us to believe that you're no extremist, but your words show otherwise. You're nothing but a dishonest, ignorant, bitter, paranoid, hate-filled shill who turns everything that you touch into cr@p. Now go back to your Momma's basement and touch yourself in your @$$ again…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            My, such a temper. Does this mean your wife won't let you beat her again and you're just a pathetic weak bad muslim that the clerics will never be proud of?

          • US Muslim

            I was just telling the truth about you…that's all.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't think you know what truth means, you certainly haven't told one since you started posting on this story.

            Why no other stories? Are you a fake one story kind of profile or something?

          • US Muslim

            In that case, please explain to everyone here why Hypatia deserved what she got in the hands of a "Christian" mob.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            In that case you haven't shown anything done to her was on account of Christ saying to do so.And why do you bring up Hypatia, muslims in Egypt are doing worse to Copts daily. So, you're worse than any Christian.How does that feel?

          • US Muslim

            Hey…it ain't my fault if the truth hurts. Be sure to take your meds afterwards.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The truth that you are a lousy muslim because you don't control your wife? Or the truth that your cleric thinks you're not a real man because you're afraid of her?Which truth?

          • Jack Nicholson

            'Sort like Wee does? Let me revise that. He also goes to Pirate to lick his wounds.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If they're stupid enough to want him and coggy, they're welcome to them.

          • Jack Nicholson
          • Jack Nicholson

            Yeah, but he's a lovable little rascal, isn't he?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They really do try to keep me so busy that I can't discuss real news and events.

            Too bad for them.

          • Jack Nicholson

            It's amazing how two roaches turned into a bonafide swarm. What'd you do wrong, throw sugar at 'em?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I turned on the light, they think they can swarm the switch and turn it back off again.

          • You Know Who

            At leat you admit you two are roaches

          • Jack Nicholson

            I missed it. Point it out.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He's mad the light is still on.

          • You Know Who

            Why do you think it's all about you. You are the one who stalks us. Quit replying to us and go discuss news stories. It really is that simple

          • Jack Nicholson

            Butt hurt, does it?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I just won't let them re-write the facts.

          • You Know Who

            YOU ignore facts and admit you have an agenda:

            Roger 169p • 57 minutes ago
            Facts are an inconvenient stumbling block until you learn to ignore them.

            Roger 169p • 6 days ago
            Ignore the facts, they aren't important.

            As long as the agenda keeps moving forward…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Once again you show that I was right, you push agenda over all facts.

          • You Know Who

            You just burst out and said those words for no reason. You slipped up and got caught

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I know why I said it, as part of a thread explaining trolls such as yourself. And by your last comment you proved I was correct when I said it.

          • You Know Who

            That's a lie from you.

            Roger 162p • 4 days ago
            My chuckle is that Iran is going to slip one through our admittedly very porous southern border and then detonate this in a US city…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why would my quoting you make you so angry?

            Did you not want to expose yourself just yet?

          • Jack Nicholson
          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wee, just don't attack my religion for things it rejects.Don't attack my country for the things that make it better than sharia.And don't think you can lie without being called on it.I will not be fooled into the Byzantine early approach to an insidious poison of islam.

          • You Know Who

            don't like it don't read it. You attack every other religion so that makes you a hypocrite, just an FYI. If you want to go discuss stories THEN GO DO IT and QUIT STALKING

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            When have I attacked buddhism?

            They don't stone rape victims or want to murder me.

            9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

          • OfficialTimekeeper

            Roger Broke a World Record!

            He just made five posts in one minute.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And that was while loading the washer.

          • You Know Who

            Bet you're proud of that.

            PATHETIC ROGER

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wee, you're such a small little man,Why not pretend I did it as a Christian and only to persecute the non Christian laundry?

          • You Know Who

            You're not making any sense. Besides you are no christian. That has been exposed

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You don't get to decide my spiritual life. You don't even get to decide what a Christian is. Your muslim loyalties keep you from understanding things, many many things. And my religion is one of them.

            Why not pretend to be a fake Catholic priest next?

          • You Know Who

            Oh but you get to decide that for others? What a hypocrite.

            Roger 162p • 4 days ago
            My chuckle is that Iran is going to slip one through our admittedly very porous southern border and then detonate this in a US city…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still the jihadi denying his second best quote?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            The owners of Intense Debate are laughing their a s s es off at roger's OCD.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Are they, or are they holding their noses at your special stupid.

            Why not tell me again how you want to do the chop chop?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            When Intense Debate created the "rating" system, they had no idea that a special kind of OCD loser would become their slave.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you and keith is great and so many others just kept posting all the time anyhow. That's why you bragged about taking them down.

            5 minutes ago @ http://912wolverines.com/ – growl · 0 replies · +1 points
            You know better than anyone that I am a legend.

            You would still be on Breitbart today if I had not taken them down. And you know the vile hate Navy has for me after ruining his website.

          • LibertyChik

            You got that right.

            Roger was always the laughingstock at not only Intense Debate, but at Breitbart as well. The Breitbart folks just fell out laughing over him.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The trolls with so little courage that they hide behind guest profiles as if hiding behind a keyboard isn't enough…. sure do pretend to know a lot.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Wow! you got called out by Liberty Chick.

            classic.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wow, did you pretend to be liberty chick?And have you found another old profile that hasn't been banned some place? That must have taken awhile.Still the coward like she is, and afraid of Navy? What a whoosie.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            That wasn't me, when I speak, you know it;s me.

            you got called out by the folks at Breitbart. Hilarious!!!!

            Nobody likes you, just like in real life.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            This from a stalker who was banned how many dozens of times?

          • AlinHeroPartDeux

            I was only ever banned once. NavyJohn bannedme, because you people could not handle open discourse. You wanted an echo chamber. Well, you got what you wanted. All that is left there, is DSeusebag and Falcon, and apparently Falcoon has left the building.

            It was so bad, that CowboyLogic never posted there once after it changed over. Even he was smart enough to see the handwriting on the wall.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I remember lot more than that You even bragged about it.

            7 weeks ago @ Breitbart.tv – Cain: I Would Not Want… · 1 reply · -3 points
            It takes them about a day to ban me. It takes me about 5 minutes to start a new one.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            The folks at Breitbart feared and respected me.

            You, they laugh at.

          • LibertyChik

            Yes, we did.

            In both cases…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still pretending to be someone else?
            1 hour ago @ Conservative Victory 2012 – Florida Attorney Gener… · 0 replies · 0 points
            Nice to see all the conservative idiots off Breitbart and sucking their toes on websites where no one will ever read them.

            HAAAHAHAHA!!

            We won!!!

            I still go on Breitbart as an imposter and use all your names.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They had no respect for you, and you knew it.
            1 hour ago @ Conservative Victory 2012 – Florida Attorney Gener… · 0 replies · 0 points
            Nice to see all the conservative idiots off Breitbart and sucking their toes on websites where no one will ever read them.

            HAAAHAHAHA!!

            We won!!!

            I still go on Breitbart as an imposter and use all your names.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Yes they did respect me. I was the one that exposed you as a virgin.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, even you admitted they didn't.7 weeks ago @ Breitbart.tv – Cain: I Would Not Want… · 1 reply · +1 points
            Every time they ban a profile, I laugh my a$$ off.

            I wish I could see the staff of moderators I am making crazy.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            I exposed you as a virgin, and got the last word on Barnes and Noble/ And there is not a damn thing your OCD can do about it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You expose yourself as the sexually deviant stalker.And the real readers will have the last say in your pretend review.

          • You Know Who

            You attack anyone who is not christian

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            When they advocate for violence and declare jihad, of course I do.I realize the poison of islam is on the move and I don't like being a target.

          • You Know Who

            You attack them even if they don't. You even attacked Mr. Michaels and threw him under the bus. So STFU

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wee, since you are advocating for violence, you're kind of eliminated from credibility on what I do.

          • You Know Who

            You don't get to decide that

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wee, you're here as a guest because you're blocked. I didn't have to decide it.

          • You Know Who

            YOu went off the deep end again.

            Roger 162p • 4 days ago
            My chuckle is that Iran is going to slip one through our admittedly very porous southern border and then detonate this in a US city…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Quoting your comment isn't going off the deep end.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Buddhism is not a religion, stupid.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Let's see shall we? http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/

            Oh my, it's on the list of world religions. So, who's stupid?

            You need to quit abusing the cannibus.

            5 hours ago @ Frontpage Magazine – Islam’s World War Ca… · 1 reply · -1 points
            you can't beat me BECAUSE I am on weed, and you are not.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            They don't define it as a religion on the link you just posted, stupid.
            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religio

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Your link uses Buddhism as an example of religion.

            So, who's still stupid now?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            the dictionary says it's a religion, but it really isn't a religion by the dictionary's definition of religion, stupid.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The dictionary thinks it does. What is it, did you pick from the non muslim dictionary by mistake?

            It's a religion.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            You can't go by the dictionary definition.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You tried it. It didn't work.And it's a religion whether you like it or not.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            I tried what> Be clear.

            Do you stand by the dictionary definition or not>?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Buddhism is a religion by any definition other than your imaginary one.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            By WHAT definition? Be specific.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            All accepted ones, even the one you used.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            The diSo then the dictionary also proves that to be a Christian, all you need to do is belive in Jesus.

            You ose.

          • Alinsky Zero USA

            Easy mistake to make. Some people think Islam is a religion.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            As if.

            We all know better.

          • You Know Who

            He is very predictable.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And so are you. It's just that your hate blinds you.

          • You Know Who

            Sure I'm not

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That shows how unaware you are of your condition.The hate blinds you.

          • US Muslim

            No…I just had is slaughtered and barbecued after I caught you naked in my shed and raping it vigorously. I needed to put it out of its misery, you see…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I bet I know which parts you wanted to eat.

            And since I"m muslim and get to enjoy looking at women, hair… necks…. bare arms and legs…. even talking to non relatives and women I'm just casually in contact with…. why would I want a goat that looks like your mom?

            Women that dress to look attractive, wear scents, accessories in plain view, even that can look a man in the eye without flinching or fear. It's a heady thing you muslims just can't handle.

          • US Muslim

            I bet it excites you just to talk about a goat's nethermost parts, doesn't it, Roger?

            Don't you think it's time to find yourself a woman, Roger? Or are you still heartbroken after the last one ran out on you?

            Why do you hate women so much, Roger? Sounds to me like you look at them as b!tches and wh0res. And you've been rushing to serve a porno queen here. I see a match in the making…

            Jesus sat and ate and preached to prostitutes, Roger…and didn't sleep with them. Please keep that in mind the next time you get a little stiffy between your legs…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not really, we have women.
            Women that enjoy sex, because we don't mutilate them. We allow them to show hair, and neck. We even enjoy them strutting around in high heels, and we have the control not to rape them like muslim men would. We treat them like ladies. That's a term that probably confuses you.

          • US Muslim

            Who says you don't mutilate them? Of course you do…several Christian communities in northern and eastern Africa practice FGM.

            I treat women with dignity and respect as required of me as a Muslim. Your woman left you because you didn't.

            Lying fool…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not in the US, that is what I was talking about,
            And if you want to know where women are treated badly, look closer to home mosque boy.
            http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/courts/fo

          • You Know Who

            He did say this one time:

            111 weeks ago @ Big Government – Thursday Open Thread: … • 1 reply • +6 points
            A gentlemen never kisses and tells.
            And I pretend to be a gentleman.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And did you allegedly have a point with that? Or were you just spamming the site again?

          • You Know Who

            Too bad women reject you

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            My personal life is really none of your business.Remember, this isn't any dating site so it's not why folks are here.

          • You Know Who

            Then you shoudl have not made it everyone's business. I saw the link to the dating site you're on. It is a men seeking men site:

            Roger 162p • 4 days ago
            My chuckle is that Iran is going to slip one through our admittedly very porous southern border and then detonate this in a US city…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Poor little wee. You just happened to be cruising gay dating sites after hero did some more impersonation accounts? Why don't you share what site it is so I can have it pulled like all the other ones you put up?

          • You Know Who

            Nope, I did google your name once though and that is how I found them

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And I googled your name.. oh that's right, you're a coward that hides in the shadows.

            Wee you can claim anything you want. I don't really care. You don't define me. And if I liked guys I'm not the kind of person would would slink around like you do in the shadows about it.

          • US Muslim

            But it sure explains your sadomasochistic tendencies on THIS forum.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And your sharia values explains your attitude here towards it.

          • You Know Who

            She left him because he was having a male on male realtionship with Kevin. They kevin got locked up so roger came here

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still trying for a libel suit?

            Oh, you think because you hide behind a rotating ISP you're protected…..

          • You Know Who

            I love it when you make empty threats.

            It's soooooo funny

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then man up and let Kevin know where you/sbj are at so he can prove what little liars you are?

          • I_Remember

            Still on the Man hunt, eh Roger?

            Are you still infatuated with Missy?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still frustrated since you can't figure out how to get personal information from me?

            You stalkers are so predictable.

          • You Know Who

            He is always on the man hunt.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wee, you tiny little thing.

            Did you ever think that if you were a good muslim and allah wanted you to post like this you wouldn't be taking such a beating? Perhaps it's the will of allah that since you're such a miserable hate filled bigot that you are taught a lesson? Perhaps it's the will of your fake allah that you crawl back into the mosque you crawled out of and stay there until you learn what it is to be human.

          • You Know Who

            I woul;d have to be muslium first

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            As if.
            Wee, you're not fooling anyone. Your bent towards sharia style justice is kind of a give away.

          • You Know Who

            It's not hard to figure out. It was easy to figure you and charles out. All he has to do is use his brain………………oh wait nevermind.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So you and the coward alinsky like to remain in the shadows and hide behind the keyboard.That explains a lot, I know alinsky it so afraid of Navy neither one of you will post on his site.

          • You Know Who

            I can't post there. He banned me. HE did not like his johad activities being exposed.

            It's not hiding do some work. You know what state I am in

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And to think both of you pretend to be such experts! Hahahahaha….

            Real American Patriots toy with you two like the baffoons you both really are.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            HAHAHA. Navy's site is down to nothing.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Hahaha. no it's not.

            And if it's a nothing site and you're still not smart enough to get around his little filters than what does that say about you? Just an even smaller nothing?
            You're a coward, nothing wrong with just admitting it, is there?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Except that time I went on his site just to prove you wrong, and freaked out Navy.

            The only good thing about Navy's site, is that he lets everybody call you a homo.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You didn't. He doesn't.

            And you're still the stalker.

            Still the coward that isn't smart enough to post anything and too much the coward to face him even if you could.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            I did. And I can go on there anytime I want. Then he would finally have more than three people on his site.

            HAHHAHAH!!1

            He failed, and only has failures left on his glorified face book page.

          • LibertyWriter

            Alinskey.
            Actually there are more than three. There is DSeuse and Falcon. That is two. Then there is Warren and his dozen aliases. So there might be fourteen. All talking scat to themselves.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still pretending to be other people alinsky stalker?

            1 hour ago @ Conservative Victory 2012 – Florida Attorney Gener… · 0 replies · 0 points
            Nice to see all the conservative idiots off Breitbart and sucking their toes on websites where no one will ever read them.

            HAAAHAHAHA!!

            We won!!!

            I still go on Breitbart as an imposter and use all your names.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Nice quote.

            There aren't too many more of these fringe conservative site left on ID for you to go on loser. then it's back to yahoo chat for you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You've been destroying them as fast as you can.

            Luckily, the Scott site and the last one just went private too keep you and wee out.

          • HiramAbiff

            Is that what Navysjohn did? Go private to keep people out? He banned Alinskey, and Corn and Galt and even knumbknuts Cowboy.

            Going private has its privliedges, eh Roger?

            Nobody participates………

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still the dense one?

            5 hours ago @ Frontpage Magazine – Islam’s World War Ca… · 1 reply · -1 points
            you can't beat me BECAUSE I am on weed, and you are not.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            nice reply. You ignored his valid point, and sounded stupid at the same time. The classic ?Roger.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still think you're whacked out and able to decide what a point is?
            5 hours ago @ Frontpage Magazine – Islam’s World War Ca… · 1 reply · -1 points
            you can't beat me BECAUSE I am on weed, and you are not.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still upset I saved that comment you posted and expose you for the mualim loyalties?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Usually I have to defend myslf from a swarm of conservative on these neocon sites. But roger has fixed that problem for me.

            Conservatives hate little girl Roger more than they hate Obama.

            Thanks for ruining the conservative movement.

            I shall pay you the money we own you now. You did a great job for us.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They don't bother wasting time with you. They also avoid pot heads on the streets and in stores.And the conservative movement won't consider you a threat, we have bigger fish to fry.

          • 4_Constipation

            You make some real valid points.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you never do.

            5 hours ago @ Frontpage Magazine – Islam’s World War Ca… · 1 reply · -1 points
            you can't beat me BECAUSE I am on weed, and you are not.

          • You Know Who

            I guess that sucks for you

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not really. What would suck is being dependent on the bong to face the day.

          • You Know Who

            Maybe you should try it. It would take away some of your hate

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Maybe he's tried it too may times.

            And I'm not the one with enough hate to want to burn a church down full of people. And I'm not the one with enough hate to want to chop heads off.

            Wee, facts are not your friends.

          • You Know Who

            roger is his own worse enemy. He use to have a lot of support until he went off the deep end.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And wee still has the trista parsi troll patrol backing him. How much does Iran spend funding you guys?

          • You Know Who

            I don't need anyone to back me. I have exposed you the handful of morons who support get smaller everyday. You only have a few friends left and my list of friends gets bigger every day

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You've only exposed that you have sharia style justice and a love for violence.

            And you have shown you can't tackle issues without your trista troll posse at your back.

          • Petro

            Less than nothing.
            I was the brains behind the whole thing.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "The quran makes it clear to not kill innocent people."

            The Koran makes it clear that Islamic standards of innocence are alien to any Westerner other than communists and other radicals who want to liquidate those in the way of their Utopian future.

          • US Muslim

            That's simply not true. Have you even studied the Qur'an? I have…over a period of 20 years and counting.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And all you do is lie and twist in the wind.

            So, what was the last word from mohammed after surah 9?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "That's simply not true."

            You take a lot for granted. I have no problem with your stated interpretations. I have to judge the Koran based on how the majority of Islamic scholars read it.

            It's ambiguous enough to make it a subjective comment to a degree, I'll grant you that. I then am left judging the behavior of those who say they follow it.

            Maybe there will be new hadith discovered and you'll be the great Islamic reformer proved correct. Wonderful.

            I think you know by now that we're concerned about preserving our constitution, not harming people simply because they disagree with us. We have many valid reasons to remain circumspect about Islamic ideology and the violent people who scream "Allah Akbar" when they want to assert Islamic superiority. We have no good reason to tolerate any of that. And I guarantee you that those people are not talking about the God of the Bible.

          • US Muslim

            "Maybe there will be new hadith discovered and you'll be the great Islamic reformer proved correct. Wonderful. "
            I don't need a new hadith. I already have the Qur'an…and that's all I need. And as far as "reforming" Islam goes, I would start out by killing off several million Mullahs and their brain-dead followers. Organizations like CAIR, ISNA, MSA, Al Qaida, the Muslim Brotherhood, would all vanish. Only after violent Jihadis are wiped out can there be a sane exchange of ideas between me and other Muslims who don't agree with me.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And that's why we call you barbaric and 8th century scum.

            You go ahead and support the koran as it is and watch as the miltants do the same but act on it, and then you come here pretending you're more noble and we shouldn't be upset as we are blown apart because the militants don't agree with you?

            Yeah, how is that dog memorial on your face doing? You're a pile of it.

          • US Muslim

            And that's why a lot of us here believe that the men in white coats must have let you out early before giving you a chance to complete your therapy sessions. Is there anyone here who takes Roger Russell seriously??

            Just know that I really don't care at all what anyone thinks of my views, or believes what I write or not. I don't need the approval of humans to know that I am right about my beliefs.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            As a muslim you pretend to be noble, the same system that stones rape victims.

            You have been trounced here by several on dozens of issues.

            Go ahead and pretend, but your mosque must be disappointed.

          • US Muslim

            I'm sorry, but how does one "pretend" to be noble??? Perhaps you can shed some light on this one, as you may know how to "pretend" to be noble…it must take a pretender to know how to pretend.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You've been going on for days about how islam isn't defined by sharia and how it's extremists that don't reflect your values. Of course I didn't fall for it a moment.

            But now even you're declining to say so?
            About time.

          • US Muslim

            Islam isn't some personal club where people make up the rules…it's a lot bigger than that. But I won't expect a small fry like you to understand or comprehend this…seeing your behavior as a "Christian", when I KNOW that you're anything BUT.

            Your rules apply to me, but not to you. That's how Muslim extremists also behave. As far as I'm concerned, you could be working hand-in-glove with them to wipe out their enemies, which include me.

            I know why you won't accept the truth, Roger…it's just too painful and hurtful to your over-inflated and un-Christian ego. Satan has already taken over your soul.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Fine, then admit you don't get to make up the rules.
            The clerics do and they decided you should beat your wife. That you should lie to further the goal of world wide caliphate and if you die in that jihad you go to paradise.

            You blew it when you admitted you don't get to call the shots, because then it means you bow to the same authority that demanded they stone a rape victim begging for mercy in Somalia and the one that had a guy marry a goat in Sudan.

            And you don't get to decide who's got my soul, it's not sharia and I get to decide my own fate.

            Go pound that on the mosque door when you want to be brave like Martin Luther was.

          • US Muslim

            I don't make up the rules, and neither do the clerics. But you follow them, and chose not to follow me. That shows who your closer with.

            I don't follow fools. You do.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course they make up the rules.
            And if you don't submit you get the business end of a honor killing or 'apostate' treatment.

            That shows you're just a hack here lying.

            You follow barbarism, in any guise it's a force 8th century way of hostility towards everyone around it.

          • US Muslim

            Honor killing, eh? Well, I''m sure that you'll only be too happy to carry it out.

            Guess what…I know I'm right when I say that, according to Islam, there is no "honor" in "honor killing". This sort of thing is virtually unknown where I'm originally from, and isn't just practiced by so-called Muslims in the Middle East.

            I don't "follow" barbarism…why should I? Perhaps it is you who follows barbarism…you defended those who had Hypatia put to death for "dressing up like a man" in your own words. I could never defend what was done to her. So who's the barbarian here?

            So, according to you, it's perfectly OK to pull down a scholarly woman from her chariot, drag her through the streets of her city, strip her naked, bash in her head and then mutilate her by ripping her flesh from her bones. All because she "dressed like a man".

            Barbarian…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'm not a muslim, they're the only ones barbaric enough to stick to 8th century brutality.And guess what? What was doesn't matter, it's what is that matters and honor killings happen due to the teachings of islam.You're lying about it doesn't save a single victim.And you still bring up Hypatia, the one who isn't treated as badly as muslim women today in Egypt, or Copt women in Egypt today.How many were murdered by islamists in Egypt just this week alone?

          • Omar

            "they're [the Islamists] the only ones barbaric enough to stick to 8th century brutality."
            So are the Communists. The only difference between Communists and Islamists is that Communism began in the late 18th century, about a thousand years after Islamists were going around causing violence, chaos and misery in the world. Today, the left and the Islamists are in an open alliance against Israel, the West and democracy.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I don't need a new hadith. I already have the Qur'an…and that's all I need. "

            But I need for you to discover more evidence so that we can make sure mainstream Islam becomes as benign as you present it.

            "Only after violent Jihadis are wiped out can there be a sane exchange of ideas between me and other Muslims who don't agree with me."

            I'll sign up for that. But till then we need to follow the constitution and warn people about how the majority of Muslims, especially immigrant Muslims, interpret the texts.

          • US Muslim

            "But I need for you to discover more evidence so that we can make sure mainstream Islam becomes as benign as you present it."
            The problem with a lot of Muslims is that they look at things from a (mostly) political angle as opposed to a deeply spiritual, moral and philosophical perspective. Their faith in God is shallow and weak. And the fundies are among the worst of them, especially those who engage in suicide terrorism…to them it's a shortcut to Paradise. To me that's a path that leads straight to hell.

            Most would not like to hear what I have to say. I would be considered to be some sort of sellout to the West. But I see no conflict between my being a Muslim and abiding by my Oath of Citizenship.

            And as you can see, there's no way to please some of your own compatriots here, either.

            I'm not here to please anyone. My beliefs are between me and God. I have no reason to hide them from anyone except those who would do violence against me on account of them. But I won't lie about them…either bring them up honestly or not bring them up at all. Like my support for Israel and my opposition to the two-state theory for peace between Israel and the Palestinians. I say Israel should just go ahead and formally annex the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and offer the Palestinians there a clear choice: Either become loyal citizens of Israel or get the hell out of there. I'm sorry it had to come to this, but I see no other way for there to be peace there. And besides, Palestinians would benefit greatly as citizens of Israel as opposed to being subjects of the PLO or Hamas.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're wrong. Every cordoba house and converted church proves you are wrong.

            The red mosque in turkey for example.

          • US Muslim

            I'm wrong??? This, coming from someone who can't tell the difference between red and blue.

            You know, I've been to it…the Blue Mosque of Istanbul, that is. Back in 1984. Great building…very beautiful.

            Tell you what…I don't mind if it gets to be reconverted back to a church. As long as we get back the grand mosque of Cordoba. Fair exchange, right?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, you're wrong.

            And what you pretend to want here isn't worth the spit you used to write it.

          • US Muslim

            Really? Prove it, then.

            Since you're so good at posting links, let's see the one about the "Red Mosque" in Turkey that was a church converted into a mosque.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Let's see, is this where you pretend that it really matters? You are so stomped on and owned on all other important issues you want to change this into mosques weren't stolen churches?

            Then why don't they let the Jews pray on the temple mount? islam is about forced control, anyplace they can and any time they can.

            For you to try to side track me on garbage issues is just typical of someone that has nothing has been totally discredited by almost a dozen people on this story and like a dog to vomit you keep coming back for more. You're making yourself loo like a fool, but that's your call.

            9:3 And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve,

          • US Muslim

            Gotcha…you said I was wrong, but was unable to prove it and responded with the same old recycled victimology garbage.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Did you get anything? 1500 comments about 2/3 tearing you to shreds and you think you can say 'gotcha' about anything?

            You've been mocked, disproven, derided, it's like we rubbed scandals dirty from dog feces all over your head and neck until your beard is caked with it. And you say 'gotcha' when I wouldn't be led into a dead argument that proves nothing about how islam isn't the barbaric system everyone's been explaining to you (and you probably know anyhow)?

            You know that Christian churches were stolen and converted to mosques, so what is your point? that muslims can't debate face to face any better than they fight?
            http://www.teslasociety.com/hagiasophia.htm

          • US Muslim

            Tsk, tsk…you sure sound angry. And FYI, sticks and stones may break my bones, but lies and slander just bounce off of me. God is my witness and my ultimate Guide.

            I don't care if 99% of the people on this forum are against me…I won't budge. I know I'm right, but it doesn't matter if 99% of the folks here are blind to it. The majority isn't always right.

            And in case you haven't noticed, most of your buddies have left this forum. What we have left are a bunch of others who are just laughing their butts off at you. And then you respond by threatening to sue for libel, and complaining about having a bullseye painted on your back. Well, you did that…that's not our fault.

            You sure sound like one BIG loser crybaby…put back your pacifier in your mouth and go back to Momma. She's calling you to have your din-dins. Be sure to put your bib on first and be sure to do poopie in your diapers after you're done…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Who thinks what doesn't matter. Facts are what they are.islam is a barbaric religion that demands submission to the 8th century style of brutality.And if 1% here are for you, then we have more work to do.And considering the story is a week old, it's amazing you're still here.

          • You Know Who

            He does that

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you always claim I do that without having any evidence. When you're driven by your agenda it's about all you have is claims and insults.

          • You Know Who

            You prove it yourself

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I expose when you do.

            It must suck to be you.

          • US Muslim

            I'm waiting for proof about the "Red Mosque of Turkey"…poor Roger. It must REALLY suck to have your balls handed over to you, and you still claim that they are hanging between your legs.

            Why are you so afraid to be wrong? Who the hell do you think you are…God?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'm waiting for it to be important and relevant.And I'm also waiting for you to acknowledge the points I have already made.So, who are you when you're not pretending to be a us muslim?Trolls usually rotate profiles, how many other muslim trolls have you been on this forum?

          • US Muslim

            Sure, you're waiting for something relevant. The "Red Mosque of Turkey" was relevant to you which is why you brought it up in the first place. I then pointed out that it didn't exist. You said it did, then couldn't prove that it did. Now it's no longer relevant. Move along, folks…nothing to see here.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Poor little us muslim knows that islam takes prime religious territory and holds it as a trophy.

            And you can't deny it. You just lie about it. http://www.teslasociety.com/hagiasophia.htm

          • US Muslim

            I don't expect you to acknowledge your obvious wrongs. You're too full of pride in yourself to do so. What does the Bible teach you about pride?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't expect you to acknowledge the obvious flaws and defenses of barbarism. You're too full of islamic talking points and al taqiyya. What does your religion teach you about that?

            To do it as much as possible. Thats' why you're not credible.

          • Omar

            The so-called "Palestinians" are an invented people (Newt Gingrich is right). Palestine refers to the geographical region known as the Holy Land. Palestine is not a country nor ethnicity. Anyone who lives in the Holy Land region (Israel, Gaza, the West Bank and Jordan) is a Palestinian, regardless of characteristics. The Israelis and Jordanians are Palestinians. Palestine is not even an Arabic name. Palestine is a Latin name meaning Philistines, who were Greek sailors who had red hair (the Philistines were not Arabs). The concept of a so-called "Palestinian" state came about in 1964, when the Soviet Union, the KGB and the Soviet-backed dictatorship of Gamel Abder Naser in Egypt created the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) with the horrible Yasser Arafat as head of the organization. That was 16 years after the creation of modern Israel. The so-called "Palestinian" nation is only used by leftists and Islamists for propaganda against Israel, the West and democracy.

          • You Know Who

            So does the bible.

            Hypocrite

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Can you show where Christ taught anyone to use violence?
            Can you show where Christ wanted His followers to use violence?

            I can show where your mohammed did.

            9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

          • You Know Who

            “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. “The real beauty of this verse is that Jesus demands people truly love him more then they love their own family. I ask you how can we love someone that we can not see or interact with? Love is an emotion pertaining to physical existence not to faithful ideologies, yet God threatens you with Death just because your love for your mother maybe stronger than your love for him. Matthew 10:34

            Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21

            Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And there is no violence in any of that.

            Facts are not your friends. In surah 9 there is.

            You can't see beyond your sharia style agenda.
            And the law is the ten commandments, written by the finger of God.
            It won't pass away and it says 'Thou Shalt not Kill', I guess you missed that part.

          • US Muslim

            "No violence"?? Dude, put down that bong…you've had enough for tonight.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why, because I don't allow you to lie about the things Christ taught?

            Why don't you call it a night, you're not going to go unchallenged and nothing looks more pathetic than an exposed liar, such as yourself.

          • US Muslim

            Christ doesn't need the likes of you standing up for him. He can take care of himself.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And why do you need to stand up for mohammed? He's not able to do anything?

            Fake gods are lame that way.

    • Paul Blase

      Citing good works by Muslims is irrelevant, since it doesn't speak to the tenets of the religion; although one might ask how many of those pints of blood were given to non-Muslims?

      Likewise, your history is biased, if not downright false. I can but refer readers to JihadWatch's Islam 101: http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html
      Muslimfact.com: http://www.muslimfact.com/index.shtml
      and to the various podcasts on the subject at Issue's Etc http://issuesetc.org/tag/islam/

      One question is simple: why did Mohammed feel it necessary to spread Islam by the sword at all? Why is the tenet of violent jihad even part of the religion? (And please don't talk about jihad as a purely "internal struggle" – it has not been defined that way for the last 1400 years, it's not defined that way now). What about all of the Sura's that call for violence and hatred of Christians, Jews, and pagans?
      9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

      Why is it that the Muslims feel free to destroy churches in those countries originally Christian, such as Egypt, and to kill and rape non-Muslims? Why is there no single church in all of Saudi Arabia? Go and tell the Copts of Egypt, the Buddhists of Afghanistan, or the Zoroastrians of Persia how peaceful Islam is!

      Yes, some Arab conquerors were more tolerant than others, but in the end the choice always boils down to convert, live as a dhimmi, or die.

      • defcon 4

        I wonder how many Zoroastrians are left in Iran? I get the feeling not many.

    • jacob

      So in other words, it is a true "RELIGION OF PEACE" ….
      RIGHT ????
      So then, according to your twisting and rethoric, the only ones in trouble are those descendants
      of apes and pigs, from whom rocks and trees will tell the "faithful" to come and kill these hiding
      behind them, that is THE JEWS….
      And if you find morons willing to swallow this crap of your "religion", more credit to you….
      And needless to say, we must trade our firstborn rights for a dish of lentils, that is, 10,000 pints
      of blood to wash the guilt of the WTC horror perpetrated by coreligionists of yours…..
      Or was it carried out as you still keep on claiming, a joint CIA/ MOSSAD operation….??????
      And what about your fellow Muslims dancing and giving out candy in the streets of QUEENS, NY,
      while people were jumping to their deaths from the WTC windows…???????
      I still wonder what good are you people to this country and how stupid have our :leaders" been allowing your immigration here or is it true as our President says, we are indebted to you for our independence…??????
      Muslims

    • tanstaafl

      Taguiyya and kittman.

    • Raymond in DC

      Oh, rubbish! What you provide as "context" for verse 9:5 is the institution of dhimmitude, where the subject people are protected as a submissive people. It's well established that the "no compulsion" directive was abrogated by later verses. I can't speak authoritatively about Indonesia, but it's clear that formerly Christian Levant, north Africa and Iberia, Zoroastrian Persia, and Hindu Indian sub-continent were all brought to Islam by conquest. So too the penetration into southern Europe.

      As to the claim of 30,000 lives saved by Muslim blood donations, that's simply nonsense. There weren't 30,000 hospitalized after 9/11. Those who weren't killed for the most part escaped whole, though many suffered respiratory distress from the smoke and toxic materials released.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Maybe she meant that 30,000,000? It sounds better, and if she's going to make up a number it might as well sound good. (sarcasm)

    • JacksonPearson

      PROPHET-MUHAMMAD WAS NO PROPHET OF GOD

      Whether Muhammad existed or not, we can state with certainty that Muhammad was no prophet of any God. There are many men who have lived horrid lives. They have raped, murdered, and burned cities to the ground. Horrible acts. Then one day, they come to realize their wrong actions and totally change. They beg for forgiveness, spend the rest of their lives atoning for their crimes. In the case of Islam, Muhammad was criminal par excellence, who even created a God, called Allah, to give divine sanction to his criminality. Muhammad invented the Allah of the Qur an, a criminal incarnate of his own, whom he used for creating a perfect totalitarian order as outlined in the Qur an.

      Muhammad was Allah and Allah was Muhammad – a child molester, wife abuser, rapist, a mass murderer, thief, torturer, a slaver, and terrorist – a small sample of the criminality of Muhammad.

      If God picked such a prophet to represent him anywhere in the universe and gave divine sanction and support/encouragement to His prophet’s criminal acts, that God would no longer be of Moral Perfection. That God would be fraud creation to act as an accomplice of this evil prophet.

      Muhammad not only created a book, the Qur an, in the name of his invented God Allah, filled with exhortations to commit all kinds of horrible actions, he also put every command/exhortation to real action. He engaged in mass murder, torture, raping of sex slaves, plunder, and selling captured slaves to raise funds to finance his jihadi armies. Muhammad owned 40 slaves. He was also a horrible child molester. A child is the very essence of innocence. Molesting a child sexually is evil. To start sexually molesting a child at the age of 6 and start raping her at the age of 9 for a prophet would be deemed a most despicable evil act humans can commit. And this is exactly what Muhammad did to his child-wife, Aisha.

      The Qur'an is NOT the book from Allah, but instead, from Mohammed's wet dreams!

      • US Muslim

        Silly boy…

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          You're the goof ball here.

          Go have some halil meatballs.

          • US Muslim

            I know you're drooling for some…my wife makes the best meatballs around, and I just had some today. What's the matter, Roger? Jealous? Momma didn't make any for you?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            What's wrong is that I don't eat with people I don't trust.

          • Mary Sue

            you can't have proper meat balls without pork ;)

          • US Muslim

            Oh, really? Then enjoy your pork balls and I'll enjoy my wife's beef balls, thank you very much. At least I don't have to worry about catching trichinosis.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You realize what you just said?

            Was muslim inbreeding responsible for her balls? http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/17/gaza.ge

          • US Muslim

            "Was muslim inbreeding responsible for her balls?"
            Insulting my wife now, eh? Loser…maybe you're jealous because you have no balls. Is that why your wife left you? You've got to strike out at women now, and my wife hasn't even engaged you nor wronged you in any way. Loser…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why would I strike out at a man who has to decide and allow his wife to have access to people as if she's your property?

            If you weren't so threatened about your masculinity you would know she can talk to anyone and then still be loyal to you, if you deserve if course. But you have to keep your islamic women on a very short leash. Why, if given a choice they would spit in your faces.

          • US Muslim

            Who's threatened here? I have complete faith and trust in my wife. She dresses in modern western clothes, and I don't tell her what to wear. And no, she's not my property. And she doesn't need my permission to talk to anyone.

            And how's your love life? Or do you even have one???

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And your religion has ways to keep her that way.
            http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/003-wife-

          • US Muslim

            Serial stupid patronizer who thinks he's smart…

            Can Roger Russell teach me about Islam? Sure…and Albert Einstein was wrong about the Special Theory of Relativity because preschoolers can't comprehend it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You can't deny what I linked so you switch to personal attacks.

            What, can't you teach me about how to lie better since thats' all you do?

          • US Muslim

            Me trying to teach you how to lie would be like Mother Theresa teaching Hitler to be an anti-Semite.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Are you pretending that makes any sense?

            9:1 Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "The Qur'an is NOT the book from Allah, but instead, from Mohammed's wet dreams!"

        Making a sand-pirate rapist in to an alleged "prophet."

        • US Muslim

          Objective facts DO matter. But you couldn't tell.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He could.

            You? Not so much.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Objective facts DO matter. But you couldn't tell."

            Does it matter that your prophet is a rapist?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not unless you're poor little Aisha…. evidently.

            I wonder if they think she deliberately lured him by showing too much neck and hair?

          • US Muslim

            I see…fantasizing about little girls again, Roger? In your "prayer closet", perhaps? Maybe you're jealous that you didn't live in Arabia back then, eh?

            I repeat: What Muhammad did was NOT considered to be rape in any way, matter, shape or form back then in that place, not even among the Jews and pagan Arabs. And we know pedophiles don't stop at one…they go from one to another to another. Yet 'Aisha was the only virgin wife he had….the rest were all either widows or divorcees.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You really don't understand the revulsion your lifestyle and social mores do to modern American citizens that consider you 8th century neanderthals.

          • Mary Sue

            Just because it wasn't considered pedophilia back then doesn't mean it wasn't.

          • You Know Who

            Like when god molested a 14 year old virgin named Mary?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Did God? He caused her to be pregnant, but that's different than marrying a 6 year old and making her do everything but actual sex until 9 when she lost her dolly. Poor Aisha.

          • You Know Who

            Both god's are enough to make any sane person sick.

          • onepornqueen

            You know you're Taliban if…

            You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to beer.

            You own a 3000 quid machine gun and 5000 quid rocket launcher, but you can't afford shoes.

            You have more wives than teeth.

            You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.

            You can't think of anyone you HAVEN'T declared Jihad against.

            You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry explosives in your clothing.

            You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting off roadside bombs.

            You've often uttered the phrase, 'I love what you've done with your cave.'

            You have nothing against women and think every man should own at least one.

            You bathe at least monthly whether necessary or not.

            You've ever had a crush on your neighbour's goat.

          • onepornqueen

            Q: What’s the definition of a virgin in Islam?

            A1: Any female under the age of nine.

            or

            A2: Any goat that can run faster than an Muslim.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Only the goat is truly safe.

          • US Muslim

            My wife and I were both virgins when we had our first night together AFTER we tied the knot. We were both in the age range 29-32. Just because people are not as promiscuous as you are doesn't mean that they have to be somehow. Methinks you're jealous…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Me thinks you're just slow at saving a dowry.

            What does patriot say about islam and weddings?

            3 hours ago @ KTLA-TV – Local Reaction to Obam… · 12 replies · 0 points
            "jews do suicide bombs.

            stoning is a jewish thing.

            marrying goats is universal….."

            I'm sorry but someone who has a wife with 'beef balls' is suspect on dating standards.

          • US Muslim

            My wife could open a restaurant where we live tomorrow and it would be an overnight success. Something you could never do. Methinks you're just jealous…loser.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Only until the infidels realized their money was supporting islam. Then we have a way of voting with our feet and wallets.

          • US Muslim

            I suppose you only patronize non-Muslim businesses? How do you feel about the Sears Tower? It was designed by a Muslim architect…Fazlul Rahman Khan! Don't believe me? Look it up.

            Life must be really lonely down in your Momma's basement.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            it must be fun in your cordoba houses.

            So many victories for a religion of peace that simply wants to be left alone in peace.

            You aren't fooling anyone, nor is islam.

          • US Muslim

            Why, were you thinking of blowing up the Sears Tower simply because it was designed by a Muslim?? Someone call 911 on Roger Russell, quick…he needs to be sent to Club Gitmo to keep the Jihadis there company.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't think like you 8th century barbarians.

            Someone needs to send you back to your nigerian madrassa for another lesson in lying.

          • US Muslim

            I don't think like you Neanderthal cavemen.

            Someone needs to send you back to a monastery and teach you about Christian decency. You don't have any to begin with.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you need to quit pretending that islam has any.

            It doesn't. Let's check the news for today, shall we? Tanzania perhaps? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/05/tanzania

            That is your religion in action.
            Don't think you can fool anyone here.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wee, Baptists would never declare jihad and say this due to a mere rumor.

            24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
            The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO

          • You Know Who

            NO, they just protest our soldiers funerals and call for Americas destruction. I know an extremist evangelical who wants bombs set off in American though:

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Wow, that is so equal to car bombs and calling for jihad!

            Of course I don't agree with their position on those issues, but I do agree they are in a country that allows it.

            and sharia would murder them, so which is more barbaric?

            You are.

          • kafir4life

            Wasn't Mohamat the fellow that shat the koran into the sand after sex with, then later a meal of his favorite pig, or "mom" as he called her? He didn't know about proper preparation of his mother, and had intestinal distress as a result, and just pooped that terror guide right out.

          • US Muslim

            Sounds like your life.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Nope, we're smart enough to reject islam.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Roger also rejects girls, all girls.

            So he has time to stalk as many men as possible on the internet.

          • You Know Who

            They reject him too

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Like your sex toy goats do with you? No wonder you're so cranky today.

          • AlinskeyHeroRedux

            Back to the goats, eh?

            Did the gerbil get lost?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Back to the personal attacks? Why not just explain what you mean about chopping my head off again?

          • US Muslim

            Apparently, yes…so he's got to use a cat to go fetch it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Poor little muslim. Dogs are unclean, are you allowed gerbils instead?

          • US Muslim

            I don't know…you tell me. You seem to be the expert when it comes to animal love…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Lets see….
            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4748292.stm

            You tell me, islam seems to be the expert at animal love.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why would I discuss personal facts with the guy who wants to behead me?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            If someone told me they want to behead me, I would tell him I have a girlfriend , and F off.

            But I act like a man like that.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Do you pretend that makes sense?
            I don't rewards poor behavior. That's all you are.

            And this isn't an adult dating site so don't come here expecting personal information.

            You don't know what a man is.

            5 hours ago @ Frontpage Magazine – Islam’s World War Ca… · 1 reply · -1 points
            you can't beat me BECAUSE I am on weed, and you are not.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            I don't need to be on a dating site to say I have a girlfriend.

            I act like a man, like that.

          • Fanook

            Alinskey Hero and Roger…….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbZEkFLXh9Y

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And I am not at a dating site, I'm at a political site. You go do what ever it is you want, but remember you're a guest at front page and it's not here so you can talk about how you want to collect my head in a basket or pressure me into giving you any personal information.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            You still trying hard to pretend you have a valid reason why you have NEVER mentioned having a girlfriend to ANYBODY on ID and with 120000 comments, and having already given us all your other personal information.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Besides this isn't a personal dating site?

            Oh, besides that.
            Besides this?

            20 minutes ago @ http://912wolverines.com/ – growl · 3 replies · 0 points
            Having your head in a basket would make everyone here pleased.

            And we would keep your head in the basket until your girlfriend came to get you.

            It would dry up and be food for insects. The first time your head was ever used for something useful.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            I don't need to be on a dating site to mention I have a girlfriend.

            Men do that.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you can also come here and brag about your tremendous cannibus intake.

            But it just makes you look foolish and a bore.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            You see, men sometimes mention they have a girlfriend or wife. It's normal.

            But there are some other people that are still virgins, and will do anything to distract from the subject of a female.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not to stalkers that want to chop their heads off.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            That excuse doesn't work. you see, men don't get scared to mention they have a girlfriend, EVER.

            Virgin get terrified and make any excuse to not talk about females.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It does work.

            Did you cheer when you saw th Daniel Pearl video?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Posting pitures of your nieces on the internet doesn't scare you. Only mentioning your girlfriend scares you.

            Why?

            See, your excuse is not valid.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            See, it's valid. You've been stalking me to get personal information.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            your excuse don't hold up. you post your nieces but claim you can't mention a girlfriend out of fear of me.

            see.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still the stalker wanting personal information?

            My reasons hold up just fine,why don't you explain again how you want to collect my head in a basket?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            How can your ecuse hold up? You post pitures of your little girl nieces on the internet…no problem.

            But clain you can not even mention a girlfriend out of fear.

            It proves you are a virgin.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The fact you stalk and search for what I do off forum proves my reasons are valid.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Not really. Because you never mentioned a girlfriend in the YEARS before you knew me.

            You have NO EXCUSE, and saying you are scared like a little girl, is not an excuse for never mentioning a girlfriend.

            And man is NEVER to scared to say he is not gay.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not with a stalker listening in.
            6 hours ago @ Big Government – Occupy-Linked Hacker G… · 0 replies · +1 points
            Blowing up tyrants like you isn't terrorism, it's freedom fighting.

    • defcon 4

      I'd accuse you of being a lying muslime, but it would be redundant. To say Indonesia hasn't committed any bloody jihad is a lie. In E. Timor the Indonesian islamofascists slaughtered some ten thousand kufrs (mostly Catholic) until the Australian military directly intervened and stopped their genocide perforce.

      • J. K.

        God bless Australia.

    • Boetica

      Really? Tell that to the Hindus. Tell that to the Christians. Islam has a long, bloody history of ethnic cleansing, forced conversions, and slaughter. Mohammad as the "epitome of peace" is laughable. Have you forgotten the Jews of Kaibar? The Qurayza Jews? How about Asma bint Marwan? Mohammad had many of those who spoke against him murdered. Those who rejected subjugation were subject to slavery, ransom, or slaughter.

      When one understands how the Koran is put together, and the concept of abrogation, the veil falls and the violence and injustice of Islam is made clear.

      • defcon 4

        It's not just Hindus, it's not just Christians. It's Jews, it's Bahais, it's Zoroastrians, it's Sikhs, it's Buddhists, it's atheists. EVERYONE non muslime has suffered persecution and murder at the hands of the islamofascists (atheists quite recently in Bangladesh).

    • PaulD

      You can quote all your want. It is completely irrelevant to the facts of history, past or present. http://youtu.be/t_Qpy0mXg8Y

    • burkasrugly

      Sir, you need prayer…hopefully you will see the light and turn to the REAL God, Jesus Christ. It would be easy to be angry at you, but we should all feel pity for you. Pity that you have been decieved by Satan to follow this Satanic religion. You may be a nice person yourself, but how can you deny that Islam doesn't promote violence against women, non-Muslims, etc? Gang rapes of women, then stoning them to death for 'committing adultery" is absolutely evil and disgusting. Do you want to be associated with such a 'religion."? Everyone in the world knows it is a violent religion. Your 'holy' prophet had sexual intercouse with a mere child and called it sanctioned by God. Obviously, he was just making all this stuff up as he went along. Anything his perverted little heart desired…he just said he had a vision from God that ok'd it/ Pretty sick, huh?

  • Guest

    I am very happy to see someone state the obvious truth. Now if only we could get the so-called conservative media to speak as honestly. I think Lawrence Auster spoke clearly when he said most people probably will ot accept the truth of Islam because the problem would be shown to be so overwhelming. How do you protect yourself from such as vast number of Muslims? His idea was to change our laws, deport them, and isolate them. This would allow the western world some form of protection.

    • jacob

      If our Congress would really be worth their salaries and perks, they would have realized long ago
      that this scum has been using our own laws and institutions to screw us and would have stopped
      it, regardless of the moronic "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS"…..
      But then again, I'm daydreaming…..

    • tanstaafl

      How can Islam be true if it is halal to use taquiyya and kittman?

      • US Muslim

        Really? Please confirm your silly assertions using Qur'anic verses.

        • defcon 4

          All we really have to do is look at the actions of your holey prophet in attacking the Jews under the color of a peace treaty, or condoning one of his follower's lies in order to facilitate the murder of a critic of muhammad.

          • US Muslim

            Tsk…lacking in historical knowledge you are, I see. Scared of what you might find? I know…the truth can hurt. I feel your pain…then again, not really.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still lying?

            9:1 Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.

          • US Muslim

            Yeah, yeah…just the same old isolated verses completely taken out of context. Nothing more to say have you on the subject.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The next to last word from mohammed on the topic, his last word/final word.

            You're trying to deny context. Why is that? Every act of violence proves you wrong.

          • Drakken

            You forgot to add muslim that we don't speak arabic to get the true versus in context nonsense.

          • Mary Sue

            The Quran HAS NO CONTEXT. It's gibberish.

          • Mary Sue

            pics or it didn't happen!

          • Defcon 4

            Muslimes never feel the pain of their victims. We all know Mehmet, what would happen to ANYONE who were criticise your death cult in ANY of your various islamofascist sewage pits.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            US Muslim Savage,

            Not every Muslim is a terrorist,

            But virtually every terrorist is a Muslim.

            Do you admit that the Boston bombers are Muslims – or do you deny that fact because it undermines your argument?

          • US Muslim

            The IRA: Irish Catholic
            Tamil Tigers (LTTE): Hindu and Christian
            JDL: Jewish
            KKK: Christian
            LRA (Joseph Kony): Christian

            I agree that a large number of terrorists are so-called "Muslims" (I don't consider them to be my brothers in faith at all). But to lump me in with them is absolutely idiotic. It's like calling the students of the Tienanmen Square revolt of 1989 "ChiComs" .

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And how many of those were in the news this last year?

            How many did what they did because Christ commanded it?

            Now, let's turn that around and ask the very same question about islam.

            See, you're comparing rotten stinking apples to beautiful oranges.

        • burkasrugly

          You don't really want us to use your "holy" prophet's words to prove you wrong, do you?

          • US Muslim

            You can't prove me wrong with anything you have. Plain and simple.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            We have been for days now.

            9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    • Guest

      Let us build 'inescapable' walls around the whole of Saudi Arabia and export all muslims to live together there for all time. NO ESCAPE. The can live in 'peace' with themselves there. Seriously, for everyone's peace and harmony.

  • popseal

    One only need examine the personal lives of Mohammed and his first disciples to understand the fact that Islam is a dangerous superstition founded by a known killer.

    • Shane

      Not only a killer, but a womanizer, a liar, and a pedophile. There was nothing holy about Muhammad; he became totally self-indulgent in his later years.

  • Jaladhi

    Islam is Islam. There is no moderate Islam nor radical Islam. All followers of Islam are Muslims – no moderate, or radical or anyother kind.

    Call them all Muslims, whether terrorist at present or in future, he is a Muslim. Do not give them a break by calling the terrorist to follow a different brand of Islam. No, they follow the same Islam which all Muslims follow. When time is ripe, any Muslim becomes a terrorist in a nano second!!

    State the obvious without the fear of being branded a bigot or a racist or a xenophobic or Islamophobic!!

    • US Muslim

      Hmm…maybe the Ku Klux Klan represents the true, pure form of Christianity. Why? Because I said so.

      Dumbass…

      • defcon 4

        The total number of those killed by the now irrelevant Ku Klux Klan is orders of magnitude less than the victims of islam in the 21st century ALONE.

      • Jaladhi

        You described yourself well!! You and your fellow followers are so brain dead that you continue worshipping and following the vile teachings of pedophile, rapist and murderer god of yours! That is expected as can't think for yourself since Mo has done it for you. Mo married a baby girl of six years when he was 53 old dirty old man and then proceeded to rape her at nine. That is a wonderful role model and excellent man for you. Disgusting!! Wake up and leave this evil cult and join the humanity!!

        • US Muslim

          Child marriages back then were not uncommon, among the pagan Arab and even the Jews. I am a part of humanity…you're obviously a village idiot.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            But islam has them today.
            Stoning rape victims to satisfy sharia happens today.

            So much happens today in sharia, and you pretend it's all ordinary for civilized people to tolerate it. Much like terrorism you pretend is reasonable since islam has been so offended over the years.

          • onepornqueen

            "I am a part of humanity"

            Not discernibly.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Perhaps humanity stepped in a piece of pig poop.

          • US Muslim

            Perhaps Roger engaged in a little bit of extra-curricular activity in his "prayer closet" and his Momma found out.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Perhaps you just realized that you're not spreading propaganda in any form here.

            You're the comic relief. Does Trista Parsi ring a bell at all?

          • defcon 4

            LOL. Your tone is reminiscent of that of one of my favorite commentators on islam. A possible admirer of Ataturk.

          • You Know Who

            We all know you're a monster for what you did

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Which troll are you, and why the guest status? Did the moderators here even say you don't belong?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Child marriages back then were not uncommon, among the pagan Arab and even the Jews. "

            Tired excuse for rape. People some times married at earlier ages but not when the man was old enough to be her grandfather. That's a rape culture. And you love it.

          • US Muslim

            Strange…no one accused Muhammad of rape for being married to 'Aisha, not even his worst enemies of his time. Such things were considered "normal" back then. It's you who needs to put things in proper perspective.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Such things were not normal, or even he wouldn't have realized he needed to wait for a couple of years before raping her.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Strange…no one accused Muhammad of rape for being married to 'Aisha, not even his worst enemies of his time. Such things were considered "normal" back then. It's you who needs to put things in proper perspective."

            Normal from the perspective of child-raping pirates who worship booty. I have a different perspective already and furthermore have no problem comprehending why theirs is different from mine.

          • US Muslim

            So, in other words, Jews and pagan Arabs back then were also child-raping pirates who worshiped booty. Why not? They didn't condemn such activities. I wonder why? Perhaps they engaged in them too?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, in other words you can't help but attack people to justify the barbarism in islam today.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "So, in other words, Jews and pagan Arabs back then were also child-raping pirates who worshiped booty. Why not? "

            I already explained to you. But let's dispose of the piracy thing. The Hebrew prophets were occasionally ordered to destroy others in judgment. They did not get to keep booty. And those acts were not to be an example at all. They were explicit judgments. Now you can say they invented the instructions from God but that still leaves intact the fact that we don't have supposed prophets we're to emulate by stealing and raping others. We're not judging people per se but ideology that you follow today.

            Now as to the rape question, I'll repeat what I said before that it's one thing to marry off people at a young age. They might be too young together and we hope will find a way. Who is being selfish here if we can't objectively say it was wrong? What is the right age to marry?

            The problem with Mohammed and those that follow him is that they use other humans as objects, especially women. They don't do it for the best interests of the women from a sincere belief that somehow it's a good thing to marry your grandfather's older friend who claims to be a prophet (who already keeps sex slaves).

            Can you see the difference? Obviously an older man that marries a girl who has not even started to menstruate yet is not viewing her as human but as an object. Marrying a 7-year-old to another 7-year-old may seem stupid and is probably not a good idea, but marrying anyone under the age of at least 18 to someone old enough to be their grandfather is sick in any cultural context. Any. It's universal because nature tells us that the man will be free to completely dominate and rule her. It's dehumanizing. At least the 7-year-olds have a chance of maturing as friends and growing together. The grandfather will be dead by the time the girl knows anything about the world.

            This is common sense if common sense exists anywhere.

          • defcon 4

            Jews were child raping pirates? Huh? Only in your bloody islamofascist delusions Mehmet.

          • Drakken

            The problem lies with the fact you effing savages are doing it now.

          • Defcon 4

            Stick to Bacha Bazi, it's all your good at.

      • aspacia

        U.S. Muslim,

        You are making a false analogy. Try reading your book and reread the article to actually comprehend its meaning.

        • US Muslim

          No I'm not. I know what he meant. BTW, you didn't try to stop me from becoming an American? I was looking for you when I was sworn in as a US Citizen.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            BTW are you loyal to sharia or the constitution?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "BTW are you loyal to sharia or the constitution?"

            You should form the question like this: BTW are you loyal to sharia or an apostate of Islam that is loyal to the US constitution?

            I think we know the answer already but it never hurts to let them know we're not fools.

          • US Muslim

            I am a strong Muslim who has sworn to uphold and follow the US Constitution. I will never be an apostate of Islam, nor will I betray the USA. Don't believe me or like my answer? Go pound sand.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then you're not a strong muslim.

            Ask the Ft. Hood shooter.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I am a strong Muslim who has sworn to uphold and follow the US Constitution. I will never be an apostate of Islam, nor will I betray the USA. Don't believe me or like my answer? Go pound sand."

            Congratulations. Good luck with your modern cult. Now let's see you go around and fight with CAIR and other tools of the MB to save your religion's reputation.

          • US Muslim

            "Modern cult"? Which one? Islam wasn't born yesterday. And it'll be around long after we're both gone from this life.

            I refused to join CAIR back in 2000 after I heard a speech given by one of its leaders…I didn't hate America, while he was playing the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton. As far as the MB is concerned, there can be no talking to them. There's just one thing: The business end of an automatic rifle.

            God bless the 2nd Amendment.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, even when the moderates who are citizens start going jihad.
            Like these two, like the ft hood shooter.

            And even the ones that want to stay off the radar screen and go hear cair but don't want their name on the list.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            ""Modern cult"? Which one? Islam wasn't born yesterday. And it'll be around long after we're both gone from this life."

            Your cult is modern because it's not the same as the cult created by Mohammed. If we're to take you at your word, we're happy about that.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            US Muslim Savage,

            We know about Taqiyya.

            We know that you are permitted to LIE to advance islamofascism.

          • You Know Who

            how christian of you

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, and he didn't even say something brutal and barbaric like this!

            24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
            The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO

          • Mary Sue

            What happens when you're forced to choose between the two? When some nut job says you are not a true Muslim unless you ONLY follow the shari'a?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            US Muslim,

            Do you accept the US Constitution and the Right of Freedom of Speech, even to mock the "prophet" muhammed in writing or cartoons?

          • aspacia

            Muslim,

            No are no true American and your allegiance is to the Umma, not my land. The Klan has and is condemned by 99% of Christianity. In contrast, your brethren have condone murder in the name of Islam and not stood with the innocents murdered.

            Again, false analogy.

          • US Muslim

            No Muslim I know condones any of the mass murders and rapes committed in the name of Islam. I have personally pounded on those who even remotely have…but they're not even that religious to begin with. I loved it when some of those fools who cheered the 9/11 attacks ended up being deported shortly afterwards.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course they do.

            9:14 Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.

          • US Muslim

            Perhaps you should come and preach your wisdom to a mosque. Hell, we may all learn something from the all-wise Roger.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I'd bring a ham sandwich with me.

            And my other half would be showing neck and hair.

            The only thing you'd learn is that you all have hair trigger tempers and no control.
            Barbaric systems tend to regress that way.

          • defcon 4

            MOre likely he would disappear, never to be seen again — kinda like most blasphemers do in your various islamofascist sewage pits Mehmet.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I think of Van Gogh. http://www.danielpipes.org/2218/theo-van-gogh-and

            Don't you think twice after reading the title? "Education by Murder"
            That's how they think. If they just push us down we'll learn to kneel. I don't think so.

          • aspacia

            Millions of your brethren now residing in my land do support suicide murder, Go to Islam on line and MEMRI for insight. For simply stating facts and quoting many Muslim religious leaders calling for murdering infidels and Jews I was banned from Islam on line, Al Jazeera etc., at least 3 times for each site.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            aspacia AKBAR!!!

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "Hmm…maybe the Ku Klux Klan represents the true, pure form of Christianity. Why? Because I said so."

        Except for one thing: Objective facts matter. And those facts make a liar out of you and Mo.

        • US Muslim

          You couldn't tell the difference between reality and a hippie's acid trip down the well of sunshine and bright colors. Do much meth lately?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still using cheap insults since your lies aren't standing up very well?

          • US Muslim

            Still think you're smart?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still think you're using cheap insults?

            Lies are obvious, and so are the personal attacks. Why not start saying I'm a dirty Jew, or that my goat is ugly? You know the muslim insults!

          • aspacia

            Muzzleman,

            You are a prime candidate for the Darwin Award.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            US Muslim Savages true colors are coming out.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You couldn't tell the difference between reality and a hippie's acid trip down the well of sunshine and bright colors. Do much meth lately?"

            You expect to be taken seriously when your behavior is such, while making these accusations?

          • US Muslim

            I will not be taken seriously by the likes of you regardless of what I write here. Go bark up another tree.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And we know better than to take you seriously.

            Go find a sexy camel.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I will not be taken seriously by the likes of you regardless of what I write here. Go bark up another tree."

            Then why do you spend your time commenting?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            US Muslim Savage,

            Actions speak louder than Words.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            US Muslim Savage,

            Go tell CAIR that their recommended talking points aren't working.

            We know about Taqiyya.

          • defcon 4

            Do you sing thank heaven for little girls? Or would thank heaven for little boys be more your style?

  • Jaladhi

    Oh what a great article!! Now if only our dumb media and political leaders can understand Islam we may be better off.

    Call Islam by its name Islam. No need tooadd any qualifying adjective and call Muslims Muslims, terrorist or living quietly at present.

    • Cassandra

      Jaladhi. I totally agree with you. I just tell people to read the Coran and they will see for themselves.

      • defcon 4

        Why not just look at the actions of muslimes all over the world, right now, in the 21st century? After all, actions speak louder than words and buckets of blood and piles of dead, desecrated bodies tell the tale all on their own.

  • Amygdalan

    The other major problem is that the USA does not call it terrorism unless the perpetrators are connected with Al Queda or some other recognized terrorist group. So the Boston terrorist are considered lone or independent actors, as were many of the Islamic terrorist that have struck the USA over the past 20 or 30 years, but of course they all do belong to the same terrorist group called Islam.

    • johnnywoods

      You seem to have never heard them refer to "right wing Christians and Tea Partiers".

      • US Muslim

        Don't go there…I'm a right-wing Muslim and a supporter of the Tea Parties.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          How about we go there.

          Are you going against sharia and islamic standards to support a infidel secular group?

          That would be like Ted Kennedy claiming to be sober.

          • US Muslim

            I'm a conservative/libertarian in my political ideology which is rooted in my beliefs as a Muslim living in America. Don't like that? Don't believe it? Then go suck on another ****

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            A conservative muslim means you want to impose the harshest sharia in it's purest form.

            Dont' think you can twist the language and not get called on it.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          US Muslim Savage,

          My Taqiyya alarm just went off.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Are you against Sharia Law having any standing in the USA?

  • historyscoper

    Just one verse in the Quran and its true meaning is all any Westerner needs to know to want to halt and reverse Muslim immigration: 5:33. See this great new video and help it go viral:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SoXs-0_rHY&fe

  • jacob

    Well, the surviving terrorist just said it was his brothers invention…..

  • tanstaafl

    I can find moderate Muslims. In a graveyard. The penalty for apostasy in Islam is death.

    • US Muslim

      You obviously didn't look hard enough, because you were afraid of what you'd find…a moderate Muslim is a bigger threat to you than an extremist one, because the former would destroy your dumb, narrow worldview.

      • defcon 4

        The "moderate" muslime holds your feet while the radical muslme saws your head off.

        • US Muslim

          Wrong again, as usual.

          One gullible westerner holds down a moderate Muslim while another supplies the knife to a radical Muslim that is then used to slit his throat. When the radical Muslim is done killing the moderate Muslim, he goes after the gullible westerner who held down the moderate and kills him before being killed by the weapon-supplying westerner, who then blames Islam and the dead moderate Muslim for not condemning "Islamic" violence. I can bring up quite a few examples of such from recent history.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Is that really the best you can do?

            Who was the more moderate muslim. The one hacking off Daniel Pearl's head or the one holding his feet?

          • US Muslim

            Neither. They were both extremists. But you couldn't tell the difference between Dr. Gosnell and one of his baby victims.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            What's wrong?

            You look like you would defend Gosnell if he just attended the right mosque.

          • US Muslim

            When did I defend the Boston bombers? They were a couple of druggie welfare-mooching losers to begin with, on top of being mass-murderers. So why would I defend Gosnell? He killed far more individuals – babies – than those two losers. Put down your crack pipe and sober up before writing here…you're an embarrassment to my country.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            When you do either, you show how llitle humanity you contain.
            Put the blame where it belongs. This was jihad, it's an islam thing.

          • US Muslim

            I did neither and will not…except perhaps in your 'shroom-induced hallucinations.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Sure, are you pretending to be a moderate muslim now again?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            US Muslim Savage,

            Get off your hashish. It's affecting your ability to Taqiyaa.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Neither. They were both extremists. But you couldn't tell the difference between Dr. Gosnell and one of his baby victims."

            I'm an extreme skier. But we're not talking about extremism per se. We're talking about ideologies that lead people to commit atrocious crimes in the name of a certain god. If you want to use tactics to avoid discussing it, we'll know why.

            Clue guide: Abortionists usually don't scream "Jesus is Lord" as they kill babies. If they did, we'd be discussing it every day, all day. So why do you want to distract us from analyzing the influence of Islamic ideology on terror in the name of Islam?

            Because the facts are disturbing to you.

          • US Muslim

            Those who yell "Allahu Akbar" when killing innocent civilians or non-combatants outside of a battlefield have been misled by their own prejudices and ignorance. Based on my own study of the Qur'an, I would not dare to kill another human being, unless forced to by an extreme situation such as a home invasion or a murder attempt.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            When you yell allah akbar it does send signals that it's a muslim doing the jihad.

            If you're such a koranic expert go nail a thesis on the door of the mecca mosque and start reform. Otherwise, you're part of the problem.

          • Drakken

            East is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet, keep that in mind muslim.

          • Boetica

            So, the Koran is NOT the word of god? How can you follow a man who in middle age married a child, who remained his favorite wife? A sexual act between a middle aged man and a nine year old girl is vile, yet you call this man holy. How does your mind accept this?

      • tanstaafl

        Fail. I've read the Qur'an.

        • US Muslim

          Really? Well, so have I…multiple times. And I know my history pretty well.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Too bad you're not honest about it.

            9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

          • US Muslim

            How convenient it is to just point out a couple of Suras in the Qur'an and ignore all the rest as you can't put things in a proper context…Mr. "Old Testament is irrelevant". May I also point out that, according to your worldview, by your own admission, a woman who dresses like a man must be put to death?? Hypatia, anyone?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The last time mohammed taught on a subject was his last word or final word.

            That's surah 9.

            What's wrong, don't you get to admit to islamic teaching?

          • US Muslim

            Unlike you, I look at things in a proper context as opposed to picking what I agree with and disregarding the other "inconvenient" stuff that doesn't support what I want to believe in.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Unlike me, you're a bald faced liar that blames everything for what happened and twists things into confused non focus.

            And you're a muslim hack.

          • US Muslim

            Blames everything on what again? Something I would expect from someone whose brain doesn't fully work.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            See, still want to confuse the issues.

            And it was jihad in keeping with the koran.

            9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

          • Boetica

            So right now, the context is that Muslims do not have enough power to force the Sharia on Americans. You see the Dawa working, so you continue your stealth jihad; death by a thousand cuts.

          • defcon 4

            You've nailed it. This is the only reason we're still able to criticise Islam w/o being jailed or murdered.

          • Defcon 4

            What context redeems the three hadith that call for the extermination of Jews Mehmet?

          • defcon 4

            Um, the actions of MuhamMAD himself in slaughtering and enslaving people (mostly Jews) kinda make make his peaceful words ring hollow.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Really? Well, so have I…multiple times. And I know my history pretty well."

            If that was true it would be impossible for you to be a believing Muslim. Islamic history is totally in conflict with fact-based history.

          • US Muslim

            According to your meth-induced brain, sure…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            According to your islamic induced brain, sure…..

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "According to your meth-induced brain, sure…"

            Accusing people of drug use when they ask you to back up your claims makes it seem a whole lot like projection. Maybe you're just another lost cause.

          • US Muslim

            If I were to analyze all of my beliefs and my reasons for them, I could write a book that won't fit in here. But simpletons like yourself can't comprehend that.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And we'd mock it and call you a liar.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "If I were to analyze all of my beliefs and my reasons for them, I could write a book that won't fit in here. But simpletons like yourself can't comprehend that."

            Every human imagines that they have some amazing intelligence that goes beyond others. That's just the ego trying to compensate for the inability to articulate one's beliefs.

            But if it's true in your case, it's more evidence that you've invented an amazing modern Islam. I keep hearing you want to defend yourself AND Mohammed according to Judeo Christian values and you can't do both while sticking to the facts.

          • defcon 4

            A book full of lies no doubt.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Really? Well, so have I…multiple times. And I know my history pretty well."

            How high can you jump? I can run the mile in under 5 minutes.

          • US Muslim

            Really? Then go run in a straight line till you can't run anymore.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Now that's taking things out of context. Don't you ever try to sympathize with anyone other than the guys at the mosque?
            You're so mean spirited, it's almost like you wanted Daniel Pearl to visit Pakistan or something.

      • JoJoJams

        Dude, if you're a convert….you're an ignorant fool and have been had. Sorry. But that's the truth…. You really need to seek knowledge of actual history. Mohammed was NOT a "prophet" and islam is evil. Do you believe in slavery? Islam does – it's part of "god's word" in sharia!! Do you beleive in stoning adulterers and killing homosexuals?? Islam does, per sharia. Hell, all one needs to know to see how ridiculous islam is, is to know that sharia EVEN TELLS YOU HOW TO WIPE YOUR OWN AZZ!!! Lmfao!! Not to mention that dogs (Man's best friend for millenia!) are haram. Sick sad pathetic religion. And if you're a convert, you've truly been misled. Please, leave it!! for you own soulds sake!

        • US Muslim

          Your silly post here speaks volumes. Don't drag me down to your sandbox.

          I was born and raised a Muslim. I could have become anything else that I wanted to be after I came to the USA 23 years ago, but remained a Muslim.

          And please don't lecture me on Sharia…you don't know what the hell it is. Islam is NOT defined by Sharia. The Qur'an makes no mention of stoning or killing apostates that I'm aware of, and I have read the Qur'an multiple times, cover to cover. Sharia is actually a lot closer to ancient Jewish law and was modeled after the Jewish Responsa…which DID call for the stoning of adulterers.

          Now go educate yourself properly before getting back to me or I'll clean my a$$ with you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, are you loyal to the constitution or sharia?

            And you can't even find your backside with both hands and a set of directions.

            If you go to any muslim controlled territory and talk like that you're dead.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I was born and raised a Muslim. I could have become anything else that I wanted to be after I came to the USA 23 years ago, but remained a Muslim."

            We're shocked you didn't integrate.

            "And please don't lecture me on Sharia…you don't know what the hell it is. Islam is NOT defined by Sharia."

            That's really a dumb thing to say. What is it defined by?

            "The Qur'an makes no mention of stoning or killing apostates that I'm aware of, and I have read the Qur'an multiple times, cover to cover."

            So you're Koran only?
            http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/012-apost

            "Sharia is actually a lot closer to ancient Jewish law and was modeled after the Jewish Responsa…which DID call for the stoning of adulterers."

            At that that time in history, maybe it made sense. We refer to it as ancient for a reason. Just as laws change during various circumstances, you might call that a time of martial law. Those laws were not binding for all time and all people. The fact that Muslims can't consider this is one of the root causes of today's problems with Islam and all others.

            "Now go educate yourself properly before getting back to me or I'll clean my a$$ with you."

            Clean yourself when you use the toilet please and leave us out of it. Then again, can we really expect any better?

          • US Muslim

            Of course I integrated…a long time ago. I'm even a registered Republican.

            "Dumb"?? You don't know what that means.

            Islam is defined by the Qur'an. All other texts, including various Hadiths, MUST be subject to scrutiny and discarded when any sort of conflict arises with the Qur'an.

            Much to learn, you have. But admit it you won't…the Dark Side I sense in you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It means you're either a really lousy non loyal apostate muslim with an honor killing in the works or you're just another lying muslim activist.

          • US Muslim

            I'm neither. You're just living in Momma's basement and praying in your closet.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It means you're lying then.

            And your'e just living in your mosque basement.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Islam is defined by the Qur'an. All other texts, including various Hadiths, MUST be subject to scrutiny and discarded when any sort of conflict arises with the Qur'an. "

            So you do believe in the hadiths when they seem to fit your need? Great. Who decides when to reject them?

            See, what Muslims often do is point out this alleged liberty when in fact it's just a tool for deception because individuals don't have the liberty to reject these beliefs on their own without risking declarations of apostasy. But it is acceptable to lie to non-Muslims over the same positions.

            The fact that your worldview is so flexible according to you is not unexpected. You haven't said anything that has not been tried before in order to improve Islam's standing according to the perceptions of the liar.

            You might also be lying to yourself. From our perspective it doesn't matter that much about that point.

          • US Muslim

            Like I said before, simpletons like you can't comprehend people like myself. So don't bother trying to decipher me…you might suffer a stroke in the process.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Like I said before, you're just a liar and we're toying with you.

            You're just not up to this. That 8th century line of blather just isn't working for you here. Why not rip on the House of Saud so we can figure out what iranian satellite you crawled out of?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Like I said before, simpletons like you can't comprehend people like myself. So don't bother trying to decipher me…you might suffer a stroke in the process."

            I think I understand now. You're one of the special breed that understands Mohammed. All the other jihadis, Christians and Jews just don't have enough intelligence to get it. So you're almost a prophet yourself. That's what it takes to understand Islam and the world and all of the Islamic circular reasoning; super intelligence. Just like Mo.

          • Boetica

            Oh, it's the fault of the Jews. Where have I heard that before?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            US Muslim Savage,

            We are educated on Islam.

            9/11, Boston, 7/7/05 London, Halabja, Mumbai, Toulouse, Bali, Beslan, Iraq, Bamiyan, "family honor", islamofascist regime of iran.

            You'll be cleaning your a$$ with your koran.

      • onepornqueen

        Oh yeah, the 13th century throwbacks just epitomize open-mindedness. Got tableware yet?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Oh yeah, the 13th century throwbacks just epitomize open-mindedness. Got tableware yet?"

          He's not even allowed to wash both hands. It's as effective as clapping only one hand. They think water cleanses everything just by having it run across. Hygiene around them…not so good.

        • US Muslim

          Who's talking about being a throwback to the 13th century? As for tableware, we had it long before YOU did.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Who's talking about being a throwback to the 13th century? As for tableware, we had it long before YOU did."

            That's hilarious. You're joking of course.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He pretends that silverware then is enough to make up for the IED's now.

            Civilized is a label that has to be earned in each generation. islamic civilization is an oxymoron in every generation that thinks it's all right to beat it's women.

            Here, it's a lame video from one of your own clerics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChnpaMK1oLQ

          • objectivefactsmatter

            http://www.islamonline.com/news/articles/153/Eati

            Excerpt:

            Can a Muslim eat with utensils like forks and chopsticks or is this forbidden?

            Answered by

            Sheikh Sa`d al-Shuwayrikh

            The Prophet (peace be upon him), his Companions, and the pious predecessors all used to eat with their hands. They did not employ any other means to bring food to their mouthes.

            However, this is really a matter of regional custom. There is no blame on a person who eats by another method according to his habit or his custom. It is important, however, that he gives preference to his right hand, even if he is eating with a utensil.

            The Prophet (peace be upon him) commanded: "Mention Allah's name, eat with your right hand, and eat from what is in front of you." [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]

            And Allah knows best.

            Source: Islam Today

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            US Muslim Savage,

            Tableware goes great while cleaning your a$$ with your left hand.

          • defcon 4

            Did you remember to wipe your arse w/an odd number of stones this morning? Remember, it's prophet recommended!

  • Doug Mayfield

    Islam is an evil ideology right down to the very bottom because it demands of its followers that they murder or enslave anyone who disagrees with them.

    The use of violence for political ends is always a sign that those using it wish to enslave. Whether the Communists' 'The end justifies the means' or the Nazis forcible subjugation of the individual to the group,
    or now Islam's unending violence against the West, the goal is always destruction of freedom and individual rights everywhere, particularly in the United States and Israel.

    That Islam is a religion of peace is clearly a lie. To see that, one does not have to look any further than the rapes, murders, atrocities, committed every day in every Islamic country around the world to enforce Islam.

    • US Muslim

      You don't get out very often or look very far, obviously.

      • Doug Mayfield

        I do get out often and do look far.

        You use the screen name US Muslim which suggests that by choice, you reside in this country, America, in which there is freedom of speech, which means that you are free to exercise that freedom to criticize me or anybody else.

        But when I look both near and far for any Islamic country in which a similar exchange could take place, that is, an Islamic country in which there is freedom of speech, there is no such country.

        There is no such country because Islam demands of its followers that they stamp out freedom of speech by murdering or enslaving anyone who disagrees with them. Witness the savagery against women, members of other faiths, anyone who talks back, anyone who disagrees with Islam, in Egypt, Nigeria, Mali, on and on and on, in every Islamic country around the world.

        Enjoy your freedom. Learn to respect it. It's of real value.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          I wish I could give you more than one thumbs up!

        • US Muslim

          Perhaps you haven't looked at Bangladesh? Its government is secular. The militants amongst Muslims want to take over all of the above-mentioned countries but are unable to because of moderate Muslims…and the USA has sided with the extremists against the moderates in the past. And some of them are hiding in plain sight right here in the USA and up in Canada as well…LEGALLY. And I KNOW they're not loyal Americans. Why don't you go after them and kick 'em out before they do some real damage? I'm not capable of doing 1% of the "damage" that they're capable of doing.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Come on, the moderate muslims.

            What part of the koran do they ignore exactly? How is that moderate instead of apostate?

          • US Muslim

            Roger, get back into your closet and pray to your bogeyman there and leave the serious debating to the grown-ups.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why, you keep getting into the way.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            US Muslim Savage,

            We learned all we need to know about Islam on 9/11.

          • Boetica

            Yes, they wear suits and ties, and practice the taqqiya very well.

          • Defcon 4

            Bangladesh eh Jihad Joe? You mean the place where some 2.5 million Hindus were slaughtered by your fellow muslimes in the 1970's while raping thousands of Hindu women? Is that the place you're referring to? The place that systematically persecutes Hindus to this day? The place that is ethnically cleansing its Hindu population even as we write/read here now?

          • Mary Sue

            Bangladesh? You mean that place where they persecute Hindus?

          • Drakken

            What I find completely amusing is the fact that you muslims have ticked off the buddist of Burma and they are taking it to you savages will gusto, that will come here soon enough. Everywhere islam goes, slaughter, and mayhem soon follow.

      • defcon 4

        He obviously doesn't get out to your various islamofascist misery theme parks much and who would want to?

  • Lisa Richards

    AWESOME as usual Bosch!

    • defcon 4

      Ditto.

  • NewProgressive

    Right on! I agree with everything in this article. It really bugs me when the news media refer to jihadists as "radical Islamists", etc. It only sows confusion in a public that is already very confused regarding Islam.

    And you're right about how people in the West only show so much deference to Islam because it's a religion. I think left-leaning religious skeptics (such as myself) should be far more outspoken & critical of Islam, since we don't have any qualms about criticizing someone's Iron Age religion. On my website, http://www.handbookforinfidels.com , I do just that, with scant regard for Muslim sensitivities.

    I'm glad to have stumbled upon your work, Mr. Fawstin. I look forward to the publication of your graphic novel! Keep up the good work!

  • hikerdude

    Islam , give us a break . We need no further proof you are a "Religion of Peace".

  • Supreme_Galooty

    All those Jolly Musselmen practicing the political religion of Islam have wreaked death, dismay and destruction for centuries. They have achieved the dubious honor of lowering the collective GDP of the 57 States to somewhere beneath South Dakota's GDP. The way that they treat their women is just about the way we should be treating them – lop off their genitalia and be done with it.

  • Sara

    In order to understand the Qur'an, you're suppose to look at the time it was written. Almost 1400 years ago, and during that time, war and battle was the only way to settle affairs. There were open raids and killings all the time. Are the Muslims to stand there and let their families and homes be destroyed? No, they were suppose to defend themselves.
    Just so you know, Muhammad (Pbuh) was the first person to treat women fairly. In those days, women were treated like slaves and some even doubted they were people. Just because they cover, doesn't mean they're oppressed. Covering is not wrong at all. Would you rather women be half naked all the time? No, the Muslim women are preserving their dignity. And you have no idea about Muslims or Islam. If one person is doing something, must you generalize against all Muslims? We are told that someone who kills for no reason is not a Muslim.
    Everyday in other countries, thousands and thousands of Muslims are being killed by Jews and Christians, but we're not saying anything against them are we?
    Just consider getting to know a Muslim, see how they really are, and then you can judge.

    • Pontotoc Bill

      Sorry, Sara. I do know many Muslims and I have read the quran.

      You are indulging in taqiyya, lying for the sake of Islam to hide the truth.

      The truth is that MooHammEd was given the blasphemous document known as the quran by an angel. Not Gabriel as the angel claimed to MooHammEd, but the angel known as the Prince of Lies, Lucifer. Lucifer is the opposer to the Lord God. Lucifer is also called Satan. The truth is that islam is a demonic religion, created by Satan, given to MooHammEd, and instituted to the sorrow of humanity.

      Muslims are nothing but apologizers for Satan, followers of the demonic religion Islam, and doomed if they do NOT discover the True Lord God.

      • US Muslim

        Please state verses in the Qur'an where principles of Taqiyya have been laid forth.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Please show the verses that condemn it.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfPbz9mQ5fw

          • defcon 4

            That was an entertaining and apropos rebuttal.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Enough that it irritated a muslim activist/apologist.

            Makes my day!

          • US Muslim

            Sure, I refute the claim. Now prove me wrong.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            What's wrong your poor little Iranian computer won't open a link?

            And try surah 9:1 for starters, is that why you can lie to everyone and declare a cease fire or land negotiation knowing you're a bald faced pig poop pile of dung?

            Why don't you go download some games to work off some stress? http://www.stuxnet.org/farsigames

          • US Muslim

            What, someone let you out of the insane asylum so soon?

            And regurgitating the old rubbish about Stuxnet. Well, FYI, I wasn't anywhere near where it struck.

            And let me educate you again, kid. Sura 9:1 was specific to one small part of the world (the area in and around Mecca) at the time that it was revealed at.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, you weren't in the loop and didn't work near any iranian nuclear facilities?
            What's wrong, don't you care about the cancer patients?

            Or do you just not like worrying about motorcycles and sticky bombs?

            And let me educate you. Lying muslim activists can say anything they want. But they still follow Surah 9:1 literally. So, don't bother with the propaganda. I know what I read and I know you as a muslim are to lie to me as an infidel.

            9:1 Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.

          • US Muslim

            I happen to be an American and a Muslim. You're obviously the product of your dumbass public school system and unionized teachers. When was the last time you left your Momma's basement?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, are you loyal to sharia or the Constitution?

            What's wrong, not used to debating someone that tosses it back at you?

          • US Muslim

            The US Constitution, of course. I swore to uphold it, and see no conflict between it and Islam.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then you're not a true muslim.

            Don't you know that you cant' be loyal to anything but allah and the constitution is secular? That's why no muslim American can be believed and trusted.

            You're an insidious poison that wants world wide caliphate at any cost, the same beliefs that took down the Byzantine Empire one lie, one betrayal, one defeat built on another.

            I know history and refuse to go down that same path.

          • US Muslim

            Does it bother you that I'm here and that I exist? What the hell are you going to do about it? Wanna piece of me? You're never gonna get what you want…boo hoo for you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It bothers me that your religion gives you no choice in the matter.

            It bothers me there is a forced system of life that wants me dead, and that you would have no choice in if you want to stay in that system.

            It bothers me you try to say your barbaric god is equal to the Almighty.

            And it bothers me you think we should allow it without calling you on it.

          • US Muslim

            Sure sucks to be you if I bother you that much…go see your shrink. Maybe he'll convince you that those pink elephants that you saw last night dancing in your prayer closet weren't real.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't need to, everything that bothers me is illegal in my country. Well, other than the obvious one about the barbaric pedifile god isn't equal to the Almighty creator.

            And you will be called on the lies, this isn't Iran we don't need to worry about being the next Neda.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Does it bother you that I'm here and that I exist?"

            No.

            "What the hell are you going to do about it?"

            Discuss dangerous and toxic ideologies with you.

            "Wanna piece of me?"

            Yes. We want to help guide you away from toxic ideas.

            "You're never gonna get what you want…boo hoo for you."

            Truly it's your loss if that's the case.

          • US Muslim

            You can discuss all you want but you're wasting your time. I was born a Muslim and will die as one. And you haven't convinced me that you've got much up in your skull to be able to discuss anything intellectually with me…you remind me of Clinton going over to East Africa to apologize for slavery, when no European slave trade even took place there to begin with to the best of my knowledge…almost all African slaves that came to the Americas came from the West African coast. Wanna convince someone to give up a toxic ideology? Go to your nearest liberal University campus or Saudi-sponsored mosque in NYC, Boston or LA.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You will die as one, or die because you didn't want to be one, and died for it.

            You can't discuss anything intellectual. You have the sharia talking points and can't and won't move to even seriously examine them.

          • US Muslim

            I'm sorry, but you're not qualified to make such statements. Intellectual, you? Pigs might fly…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Sure I am. It's backed up with facts and history.

            And you are a muslim pig by denying, confusing and side stepping everything that makes your system of worship so barbaric.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "…you remind me of Clinton going over to East Africa to apologize for slavery…"

            Then you're showing more delusion.

            "Wanna convince someone to give up a toxic ideology? Go to your nearest liberal University campus or Saudi-sponsored mosque in NYC, Boston or LA."

            You think my discussions with you distracts me from worse problems? Nope.

          • aspacia

            Do you believe in the separation of Mosque and state? A simple "yes" or "no" will do.

            Secondly, it was Africans who sold slaves into white slavery.

            Thirdly, many Muslims still abduct and enslave nonMuslims.

            Try not to be such a hypocrite.

            LOL, I hold several undergrad and have an M.A. in English and am working on one in History.

            Frankly, you might want to peruse some of Milt Freedman's works regarding capitalism and freedom: http://miltonfriedman.blogspot.com/

          • US Muslim

            I strongly believe in the srearation of mosque and state.

            I was educated in West Africa. I know more about the slave trade than you do.

            Those "Muslims" who abduct and enslave others today are not my brothers/sisters in the faith.

            I see you majored in the arts. Very nice. Was math too difficult for you? I have 2 engineering degrees and over 10 years of IT experience.

            I also happen to know and like Milton Friedman's ideas on capitalism and freedom.

          • US Muslim

            Sorry…I meant to say that I do believe in the separation between mosque and state.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Now we all know you're a bald faced liar.

            There is no such thing as secular government under islam.

            Caliphate is the only acceptable system and that's ruled by the religious dictates and demands.

          • aspacia

            Yes, math was difficult for me, but with hard work I did earn A's.

            Were the Arts and History too difficult for you?

            Glad to know you like most of Friedmans' views as I do.

          • US Muslim

            "Were the Arts and History too difficult for you?"
            Of course not…but you can't get a high-paying job in either of those fields. If I had a choice, I would have been a volcanologist…I would never have to settle down anywhere and would have been able to visit a lot of places, climb a lot of mountains, see first-hand nature in action while playing chicken with it and be paid to do so…and save lives of people by warning them of dangers that hey face. Oh, well…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why, does Iran need them to erase Israel?

            And Daniel Pearl had those dreams, we know the religion that silence him.

          • US Muslim

            Why ask me? Go ask your homo lover Ahmadinejad.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That muslim temper is showing again nigerian mosque boy.

            Do you know if your skin color is as dark as you pretend you will be treated like scum in mecca, if you're allowed to the haj at all?

            They had that thing called the slave trade that they never have given up entirely you know.

          • US Muslim

            What, he dumped you too???

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            What you can't make up a better talking point than that?

            What kind of inbred cleric do you answer to?

          • US Muslim

            FYI, I'm not like you. I answer to no cleric…unlike you, whose religion seems to be OK with clerics raping boys. That explains your hostile attitude here…you're just a sad, frustrated failure owing to the abuse you suffered at the hands of your priest. Was that my fault, too?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If you're a muslim you do.

            So, which are you lying about?

          • Drakken

            You really have no idea what is about to happen to you muslims do you? Think Balkans on steroids.

          • Defcon 4

            Only because you're lying…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You noticed that too huh?

            It's like he thinks we're as stupid as MSNBC says we are.

          • defcon 4

            His lies, to be fair, are much more urbane that most islamofascists. I've noticed in some cases it's just the same old lies and fallacies of argumentation dressed up in newer, more fashionable clothes.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The problem is that laundering an old coat still leaves it a tired worn out coat.

          • defcon 4

            All of your islamofascist states are open air insane asylums.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Oh look. I found a story in times of india. Pakistan is facing elections and there have been all sorts of bombings.

            I thought obama said they just want free elections? http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-

            No wonder our lap dog media has so much voluntary censoring in the news.

        • aspacia

          US Muslim,

          It is your job to refute the claim.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Maybe it's time for a call to prayer and he's trying to find a spot in the crowd where he can kneel.

          • US Muslim

            Unlike you who walks with pride in being what you are…I'm not ashamed to kneel before God. What about you?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            When I pray, it's often in a closet and my Almighty is powerful enough I can point in any direction I want.

          • aspacia

            First, is your allegiance to Islam or the USA? If Islam, move to an Islamic land, and PLEASE LEAVE MY SECULAR, TOLERANT LAND!

            I do not knee in respect for any faith that has not earned MY RESPECT, especially one that calls for mass murder of nonbelievers.

          • US Muslim

            Perhaps you've never heard of the 1st Amendment in the US Constitution that allows for the freedom of religion. Don't like it? THEN LEAVE MY COUNTRY ALONE!!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The first amendment does not give islam the right to violate my rights, my freedoms and my choies.

            Your rights stop at my nose. And islam doesn't allow for that. So, why do you think your sharia is compatible with my country? Unless you have a reasonable factual answer then that is why we should not allow another islamic immigrant.

          • US Muslim

            Islam isn't violating your rights any more than guns are walking into schools and shooting up kids.

            My interpretation of Islam is based on my readings and understanding of various books including the Qur'an and the Bible. And as a Muslim living in the USA of my own free will, I have an obligation to abide by the oath of citizenship that I took freely.

            And likewise, your rights stop at my nose, too. I have every right to practice whatever religion I choose to. Don't like the choices I made? Too bad for you. Cry me a river.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes it does. It violated the freedoms and rights of the dead in Boston.

            Go pound desert sand, it violates my rights every time I'm searched getting onto t plane. It violates my rights every time I am told I 'Have to" be tolerant.

            Go cry me an oil well.

          • aspacia

            Roger,

            More Muslims have committed murder since in the last 60 years than any other ethnic group, especially Zionists.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course.

            The only ones denying it are the ones that defend islam.
            So, we know we can't believe a word of it.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "My interpretation of Islam is based on my readings and understanding of various books including the Qur'an and the Bible. And as a Muslim living in the USA of my own free will, I have an obligation to abide by the oath of citizenship that I took freely."

            If we take you as an honest person, we'll then have to conclude that you follow a unique and rare strain of modern Islam.

            "And likewise, your rights stop at my nose, too. I have every right to practice whatever religion I choose to."

            Because the authentic Hebrew prophets told us that faith should not be coercive. Period. I'm sure the irony is totally lost on you.

            That's great if you're one of the benign ones. Really. But don't expect applause. We have very good reasons to remain vigilant until you're stated ideals become the dominant ones among Muslims and I don't think I'll hold my breath waiting for that.

          • defcon 4

            Yeah we're all supposed to applaud this one lying muslime because he doesn't want to kill us. Gee, he's a real hero isn't he?

          • aspacia

            My freedom of speech and religion, a nonexistent law anywhere in Muslim majority lands. Your freedom of religion ends when you violate you laws! UNDERSTAND! I doubt it.

          • Defcon 4

            The next time you bang your head on the floor for Allah, the ballah, make sure to place a big carpet tack right where your forehead hits the floor — it'll guarantee a zabiba all the bagheads will admire!

          • defcon 4

            Well, to be fair, in whatever islamofascist cesspool he crawled out of there would be no debate, because Roger would be dead or imprisoned, which is the usual way islamofascists deal w/debates about the nature of islam.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Don't think it's different here.

            1 hour ago @ http://912wolverines.com/ – growl · 0 replies · +1 points

            "I am going to force you to ….. before the governement cuts off your head and puts it in a basket.

            that would be the greatest way to torture you."

          • defcon 4

            I have no doubt millions of muslimes in the US would be filled w/glee if the critics of their death cult were to get that sentence — it might even be the majority of them.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Please state verses in the Qur'an where principles of Taqiyya have been laid forth."

          Are you "Qur'an" only? How do we know you're not lying. We can't.

          • US Muslim

            Mostly…the Hadiths have their place, but can never be allowed to overrule the Qur'an in any way.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, we have surah 9 again. Not much of an improvement is it?

            9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Mostly…the Hadiths have their place, but can never be allowed to overrule the Qur'an in any way."

            And they always seem to have their place when needed by terrorists and tyrants. And you don't have the personal liberty to decide on your own. Maybe here in the USA you do, but not because of Islam. Our constitution protects you FROM sharia.

          • aspacia

            The Qu'ran is nonsensical without the Haidiths. Even with the Hadiths it is illogical to have a profit (intended) who is a pedophiliac, plunderer, rapist murderer and misogynist. And PLEASE do not spout off the earlier tenets of the Qu'ran as they are superceded by the tenets of the sword.

            Another suggestion, condemn all acts of violence done in the name of faith, especially those against Israelis, and you might gain a shred of credibility.

      • El Séptimo Reino

        Spot on!!

    • Supreme_Galooty

      "Everyday in other countries, thousands and thousands of Muslims are being killed by Jews and Christians, but we're not saying anything against them are we?" WHAT? Where do you get that kind of libelous garbage?

      "Muhammad was the first person to treat women fairly." Jesus came before Muhammad, and HE wasn't even the first person to treat women fairly. Good grief!

      A son of an Imam married one of my nieces. He is a walking disaster, treats her miserably. His mother is an abused woman, and shows it regularly. I know these Musselmen, and they are cowardly scum.

      If you had your "facts" straight, your comment might be worth looking at. As it stands, however, your comment is without merit.

    • NewProgressive

      Sara, as any knowledgeable Muslim knows, the Koran is supposed to be the literal word of Allah, and applicable for all times — a copy of the original holy book that has existed in Paradise since the beginning of time. And the Koran is simply LOADED with commandments to despise the infidels, to make war on them, to slaughter and subdue them. These are explicitly imperialistic decrees that have nothing to do with "defending" Muslim homes & families, and everything to do with winning the world for Islam.

      Also, the Prophet Muhammad, who is supposed to be the perfect model of Muslim behavior for all times was the original jihadi — a murderer, rapist, bandit, liar and pedophile

      Your defense of Islamic attitudes towards women is a pathetic case of Stockholm Syndrome. So, your prophet treated women fairly, did he? Does that include raping the widow of a man he killed earlier that same day? Was that "fair" in your opinion?

    • Guest

      So I understand the religion was started by a madman 1400 years ago and he primarily used murder and wholesale slaughter to propagate his lunacy. Now compare his teachings and practice with that of another supposed holy man 600 years prior. Did Jesus practice the same? No.

      Leaving that argument aside. How about the fact that it is now 1400 years later and they want to push people back to a time prior to the dark ages. Current Muslim leaders would have us go back to that kind of savagery that existed in Mohammed's day. (No peace be upon him)

    • Reuben

      Pigs Be Upon Him, more like!

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      Oh Sara, you must be so upset to find out the religion isn't what you've been led to believe.

      First off, get to know one before judging? That's what Daniel Pearl tried to do.

      Second, when mohammed wrote the koran and was just marrying his 6 year old bride Christianity was flourishing across the known world. Did they teach murder, child brides, and jihad?

      You really ought to have more 'outside sources' before coming to conclusions.

      • US Muslim

        And you need to educate yourself in…everything and not regurgitate junk.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

          You need to educate yourself before regurgitating junk.

        • defcon 4

          Pathological liar.

          • US Muslim

            Coming from someone who can't tell the difference…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            We can, and you are.

          • Defcon 4

            I'll bet you can't tell the difference between your islamic lies and the truth either…

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "And you need to educate yourself in…everything and not regurgitate junk."

          You'd have served the lies of Islam much more effectively by running away and accepting the loss.

          • US Muslim

            I'm not running from anything. What you believe in doesn't bother me…I couldn't care less unless you wanted to violate my rights. But what I believe in bothers you…you've got a serious mental problem.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're sure crawling.
            What we believe is you can't impose a caliphate and you can't pretend that the people haven't realized that the ft hood shooting represented the main stream teachings of islam.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I'm not running from anything. What you believe in doesn't bother me…I couldn't care less unless you wanted to violate my rights. But what I believe in bothers you"

            I see you missed the point again. Shocking.

            "…you've got a serious mental problem."

            Does it begin with "Islam" and end with "phobia?"

          • aspacia

            Will you condemn all terrorist attacks in the name of faith? If not, you are no true American citizen.

        • aspacia

          Refute the claim! It appears you cannot Musliman. You have no idea regarding debate, only fallacious personal attacks.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's all he has.

          • defcon 4

            Which is exactly why in any muslime state the nature of islam or muhamMAD is NOT up for debate at all.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Which is exactly why in any muslime state the nature of islam or muhamMAD is NOT up for debate at all."

            I guess those are all deviant states. 14 centuries of deviants trying to kill us.

        • onepornqueen

          Q. What do you say to a Muslim with his arm all the way up a camel's rump?

          A. "Having car trouble?"

          • US Muslim

            Got trouble trying to make your horse drink? I'll hold down its head in the water while you suck at its rear…sure sounds like something you're good at. May be the ONLY thing you're good at.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still into personal insults since you can't make up enough facts?

          • SSMinnow

            Really Roger.

            A man with your intelligence really should consider contributing more.

            Why don't you ask Navyjohn's if you could write a regular article at his floundering Party Barge?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Little tiny itty bitty hero, had you ever read my book you'd know what kind of writing I do.

            And his site is doing fine, particularly since scum such as you yourself can't soil in it.

          • SSMinnow

            Fine?

            BwaHaaHaa! Ha. Ha.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're not there, so it's fine.

            You are just too much a coward to go face them, why not admit it?

          • US Muslim

            Still think you're relevant? Still thing ANYTHING you say is taken seriously? Still fighting those evil Islamic windmills, who threaten your damsel in distress aka porrno queen?

            Go touch yourself or something, Roger Russell…you'll be making a far better contribution to mankind if you do. You just LOVE it when porno queen sticks gerbils up your bottom, don't you? Tee-hee…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I know nothing you say it taken seriously.

            Really, anyone that ignores so much and pretends islam can be anything but the barbaric forced style of 8th century life is just not credible.

            The story knocks all kinds of holes in that pretense, and you haven't lied well enough to dispute anything it said.

            9:28 O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship after this their year. If ye fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise

    • .1cornpone

      I would love to believe you have a clue, Sara, but the evidence is lacking. Hopefully, a link, intended to induce a sense of shame at you and mock your naivety will do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taqLEjCVTdo

    • defcon 4

      "Everyday in the other countries, thousands and thousands of Muslims are being killed by Jews and Christians". Were you delusional before you became muslime? Or was it the price of admission? I've heard lies w/more substance from 5 year old children.

      • D S Dunlap

        … and more BELIEVABLE ones, to boot, I'm sure.

    • Boetica

      Really? Where are muslims being killed by the thousands daily by Christians? Would you call marrying a six year old child being fair to women? How about having sex with a nine year old child as a middle aged man? Is that treating women fairly? But wait, she was a child; she took her dolls with her to Mahomet's house. Everyday, children are given in marriage to old men in the Muslim world. This is because your (un)holy man is to be emulated throughout time.

      Mahomet said God is a deceiver. Yes, Satan comes as a angel of light. Satan has captured the minds of many people through his false prophet Mahomet.

    • Mary Sue

      BS

      Jesus treated women fairly long before Muhammad did.

      Muhammad advocated rape of women. That's not treating them fairly!

    • Mary Sue

      Christians and Jews wholesale slaughtering Muslims? Where? When? BS. Pics or it didn't happen.

      • D S Dunlap

        The Mongols were involved in a wholesale slaughter of Muslims at times during their initial invasions of the Islamic world. This came about after nearly five centuries of Islamic attacks and incursions on the Turkic and Mongolian peoples as Islam tried to march its way to China. Chinggiz (Genghis) Khan's move westward was actually precipitated by a "last straw" act of violence by the Islamic Khwarizm Shahate. In 1218, a Mongol caravan carrying goods for trading was halted in the Khwarizmian border province of Otrar. Its people were slaughtered by the governor there, and the goods stolen. When Chinggiz sent an embassy to the Shah Muhammad al-Din seeking a redress of the grievance and the punishment of the governor, the Shah had the Mongol leader executed, and the remaining members humiliated by shaving off half their facial hair and tearing off half their clothing. Such a violation of what we now call "diplomatic immunity" (something the Mongols actually pioneered for the modern world), was the absolute straw that broke the camel's back.

        After spending three days and nights in prayer and fasting to the Mongol sky god Tengri, Chinggiz Khan launched his retributive invasion of the Khwarizm Shahate; it was an invasion that nearly swept Islam off the face of the planet, and ultimately failed only because the Mamelukes were able to defeat a weakened Mongol force in 1260. That force was weakened by the fact that the Ilkhan Hulagu, as a member of the Genghisid "royal" family, was required, by law, to return to Mongolia to vote on a new "Great Khan", or Khakhan; and Hulagu took most of his forces with him. The Mongols might still have succeeded had their initial outreaches to the Christian West not been stymied by the papal demand that all the Mongols first convert to Christianity (the Crusaders, themselves, were held back by the papal demand from acting on their own to *quite sensibly* join with the Mongols in the final attack and sweep of the Islamic world .

        So, even when the Muslims were being decimated by the Mongols, it was a defensive reaction by the Mongols against nearly half a millenium of jihad against them by the Muslims.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Wow, I don't remember them teaching that in history class! Thanks for the information!

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Sara,

      If totally covering a woman is to preserve her dignity, why don't Muslim men also totally cover themselves up?

      It's like telling a slave that being a slave is to preserve their dignity.

      Sara, you are a totally indoctrinated fool.

    • D S Dunlap

      Actually, the ancient Egyptians treated women fairly: so, too, did the Israelites (women had different roles than men in both aforementioned civilizations, but laws protected their rights). Pre-Mohammedan Arabia treated women much better than Mohammed or any of his followers ever have. The ancient Romans actually had better treatment of the women than Islam has ever offered. Many Amerind and sub-Saharan African societies protected women from abuse, and even at times, were run by women.

      In fact, if you look at the facts of History, Islam has been the most misogynistic ideology ever devised. Also, Mohammed's first wife, Khadijah, was a woman who ran her own business. It was she who convinced Mohammed that he was NOT demon-possessed. It was by her doing that Mohammed first got the wherewithal to set on the path to gaining control of the Ka'aba Hajj at Mecca; which, itself, was actually developed (according to Islam's own Hadith , Qur'an, and Sira literaure) by an ancestor of Mohammed's by the name of Qusay.

      Basically, Islam is "the profitable prophet plan*" gone berserk.

      Here endeth the lesson.

      *- I borrowed "the profitable prophet plan" from Craig Winn's well-researched book, "Prophet of Doom: Islam's Terrorist Dogma in Muhammad's Own Words." It seems to fit properly.

  • R.D.Nathan

    Excellent article. It Should be an eye opener for US and Indian Goverments.They should call spade a spade to safeguard their subjects from terrorism. They should stop appeasing the muslims for short term gains..

    • Boetica

      Americans are NOT subjects.

  • cfk_sd

    KTShamin,

    This is an interesting response you provided to the article. I think you’re being misleading, either by getting your facts wrong, or by omission. Taking you point-by-point:

    Regarding 9:4, 9:6, 9:7: These verses essentially say that unless a formal treaty or agreement is made with the idolators/unbelievers, they are subject to violence in the name of Islam. The fact that there is a specific condition (i.e. having a treaty with them) that exempts them from your violence doesn’t make this a peaceful verse.

    1) The likely reason that Muhammad did not engage in war for the first 13 years of his prophethood is not because he didn’t want to, but because he couldn’t. He had very few followers, was under the protection of his uncle, and would have been killed if he tried to raise a gang or army in Mecca

    2) He took up arms in order to obtain war booty from the caravans taking goods from Damascus to Mecca. He even received a revelation from Allah (supposedly) that sanctioned the taking of this booty (and killing of any who resisted), as it advanced the cause of Allah and Islam. No mention is made in the Qu’ran or any of the ahadith that any of the goods belonged to him or his followers. He was simply stealing and killing with the approval of Allah. The Meccans only came after him IN RESPONSE to him sacking their goods in the caravan. Indeed, when people found out that there was a new religion that sanctioned the stealing of other people’s goods, THAT is what began the rapid increase in the number of his followers and his power.

    3) When he came back to Mecca, he was victorious (though a treaty-breaker), and did grant a general amnesty. But he also ordered the SPECIFIC killing of certain people that he felt had insulted or betrayed him in the past. This is not something a peaceful man, let alone prophet of God, does. The fact that he even was a “conqueror” as you say belies the fact that he was a peaceful Prophet. He was a military leader who used violence and force to achieve his objectives, including the conquering of Mecca, all with Allah’s apparent approval. What sort of peaceful religion or “prophet” sanctions this? Peaceful men do not conquer men’s bodies with killing and violence, they conquer men’s hearts with words. Killing is the easy way to achieve what you want.

    You leave out of your “peaceful” account of this man the slaughtering of all of the men and teenaged boys of the Banu Qurayza tribe, even after they surrendered to him unconditionally. What justification can you offer for his completely unprovoked attack on the Jews at Khybar? He went there only to steal their wealth, and tortured and killed that tribe’s leader in order to obtain it.

    Qu’ran 2:257: This is an example, mentioned in the article, of one of the earlier verses that were, according to accepted Islamic theology, abrogated by numerous later ones. Virtually all classic Islamic scholars agree on this.

    “Islam doesn’t need, never needed, never wanted to spread by any force”: You really don’t know anything about the history of Islam, or the history of your “Prophet”, do you? By the end of his life, Islam had spread all throughout Arabia, almost exclusively by wars or the threat of wars. Muhammad wrote letters to several kings/emperors of neighboring lands threatening them with war if they did not agree to submit to Islam and his rule (no compulsion, eh?). Within 100 years of his death in 632, Islamic armies, following Muhammad’s example, conquered all of North Africa, the Iberian peninsula, and got as far as southern France before they were finally defeated.

    The fact that you can cite specific organizations that have done some good, or can point out some specific Muslims that aren’t violent does not change the basic tenants of a violent religion, which is the point of the article you responded to.

    Like many Muslims, you just don’t know, or don’t want to know, anything about the history and established teachings of your own religion, or the actions of your own prophet during his life. They are chronicled in great detail in Islam’s own holy books, and were very accurately covered in this article. I think you should educate yourself about your own religion.

    • US Muslim

      You are a liar, plain and simple. You try to make intellectual arguments that support your views, but the FACTS are not on your side. And I know history…it's one of my many passions, along with science, politics and geology.

      So what wonderful religion is it that says it's OK to lie and slander others? What does it have to teach about the One True God? Please don't say Christianity or Judaism…some of my best friends are adherents of both. They'd be embarrassed to be sharing the same faith with the likes of you.

      • defcon 4

        Au contraire, we only have to look at the actions of muslimes to confirm that lying is part and parcel of your faith Mehmet.

        • US Muslim

          And it's a part of every other religion that I know, based on the actions of their adherents. BTW, my name isn't Mehmet.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you're still lying.
            Chriistians are taught that liars won't make it into heaven.
            Revelations 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

          • US Muslim

            I have nothing to gain from lying…apparently you do. Prepare to take the first dive into the fiery lake, Roger!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course you do.

            If the truth were known you'd say this. "I have nothing to gain from telling the truth…."

          • US Muslim

            And what exactly does the wise Roger think I have to gain from lying?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why do you think the wise Roger doesn't actually believe the literal word of mohammed in surah 9?

          • US Muslim

            Answer my question first in order to back up your ludicrous assertions against me. Don't have an answer? No surprise there…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's clear what you have to gain.
            Some pretended credibility to defend the indefensible forced style of life.

          • US Muslim

            No answer yet…I'm still waiting for one. What do I have to gain, genius?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Try reading. Is that hard for you? Let me try again and i'll type really, really slow for you.

            "Some…. pretended…. credibility…. to….. defend… the …… indefensible…. forced…. style…… of ….. life…."

            There, and you're not fooling anyone. islam is just a forced style of life that would stone a begging 14 year old rape victim who is asking for mercy.
            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7708169.stm

            And if you want to say it doesn't teach that in the koran, I'd say to pound a thesis to the door of the mecca mosque and start reformation if you think so.

          • US Muslim

            You're all full of talk but no practicality. Comes from living in Momma's basement all your life.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're all full of muslim talking points, but not any real practical way of reforming the most barbaric forced style of life.

            It comes from listening too much in the basement of your mosque.

          • US Muslim

            I see you don't deny living in your Momma's basement. I, on the other hand, live in a duplex and pay rent every month for it. I also pay income taxes to Uncle Sam so that he can pay losers like you and those Boston bombers to have something to complain about.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I see you don't deny living in the mosque basement.
            Having another place doesn't mean you have to give up the spot at your immam's feet.

            And if you want to make up a life story how about a six figure income and status as a veteran? Haven't you had more practice making up a story like that?

          • US Muslim

            You are definitely retarded.

            Let me make myself perfectly clear: I do NOT live in the basement of a mosque. I never have. I have my own place.

            And let me make things a litle clearer for you: I do NOT earn a 6-figure income, and I'm NOT a veteran (although I wish I was).

            Still claim that I'm lying here? If so, about what then, o Roger of the closet god?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            See, you don't understand the American slang or lingo.

            Living in a basement means you are pretty much totally dependent on them. You are totally in the tank for muslim talking points and refuse to accept that it teaches what they are actually doing.

            If it teaches anything else, than man up and go do something about it. You're not able to, are you? Why? They are the barbaric animals that everyone has been telling you they are.

            Loser.

            Let me make one more thing perfectly clear. I was mocking you with details that all other trolls use when making up fake profile information. You're not even as smart or as ambitious as the average troll here.

            And as for your mention of the closet God. The Almighty doesn't need us to pray in public, He reads the heart.

          • US Muslim

            Typical brain-dead idiot troll. In that case, let me make it clear: I am NOT dependent on any mosque or "Islamic" organization for my existence or livelihood. Got it? Probably not…that would require too much analysis for that 286 processor you call your brain. So just respond with your typical "you're lying" response.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still having a little 'whine' with that cheese?

          • US Muslim

            What happened to that girl was disgraceful; I won't want to be in the shoes of those who stoned her. She may be in a far better place now.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, you still defend the system of religion that demanded it happen. How many women witnesses do you think is necessary to overcome a single male witness in any rape trial?

          • Defcon 4

            Your holey prophet himself commanded the stoning of adulterers, nice try at obfuscating that fact.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Facts are not his friends.

          • defcon 4

            It's amazing how he just lies and lies and lies. He's like the zero administration. If one lie doesn't fly, tell another and who cares if they make any sense whatsoever or are easily refuted.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They consider the ability to lie an asset.

          • US Muslim

            You couldn't tell the difference between a lie and the truth. Just like Al Gore.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes we can. That's the problem for you activists in the US. No wonder you'r so frustrated.

          • US Muslim

            It's amazing to see how stupid you really are. You don't possess the ability to tell fact from fiction…too scary for you?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You sound like that Boston bomber's mom who keeps insisting her babies are innocent. Then Russia blows the whistle and we find out she was involved in their radicalization (deciding to actually follow the mandates of islam).

          • US Muslim

            Coming from someone who contradicts himself repeatedly…a failed author and failed husband.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            My, such a 'wee' thing to say.

            Coming from an adherant to the most barbaric forced style of life currently, you probably would any husband that doesn't beat his wife is a failure.

            And the book is doing just fine thank you.

          • defcon 4

            When did you stop beating your wife?

          • US Muslim

            I suppose you'll call me a liar when I tell you that I never as much as raised my hand to strike my wife in any way. But you won't let inconvenient facts get in your way, will you?

            At the end of the day, I'm a Muslim and an American and have all the same rights as you do, unless you're NOT an American, in which case I have more rights than you do in the USA. And if you're a native-born US Citizen, you have the right to run for the US Presidency, which I don't have (and don't want anyway, no matter how good a president I could be).

            If the last presidential elections are any indicator of where we're headed as a nation, then I can believe that the American electorate may end up electing you to the presidency someday soon. Lowinformationvoteritis is not limited to the so-called left. You and plenty of others in this forum have chronic cases of this mental disease.

            I'm here, I'm an American, and I'm not leaving. And you'll never make me leave. Have a nice day.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Soundsl like you're a weak non practicing muslim who really has no right to speak for the real 'real' muslims.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChnpaMK1oLQ

          • US Muslim

            Squeak, squeak, squeak…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes little mouse. You can barely do that, but you still keep at it.

            At the annoyance of everyone around you.

          • defcon 4

            Lying is the only defense your have for your death cult, that is, when you can't merely resort to the violence that is the usual rebuttal to any criticism of islam.

          • US Muslim

            Why should I lie to myself? I'm not like you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are an admitted muslim.
            That speaks volumes about your desperation to lie enough to pretend you're clever.

          • US Muslim

            Oink, oink…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Showing your true colors?
            One word simple grunts and noises while you dream of treating everyone as a 'limited person'?

          • Boetica

            "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible. “ — Imam Abu Hamid Ghazali

          • US Muslim

            "When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible."

            That depends on what the aim is to begin with. If it's to save a life or to win a battle, then yes. But if it's to "spread Islam", then absolutely not…a philosophy based on outright lies cannot and will not stand the test of time. But Islam has survived and thrived for 1,400 years. Surely there's an element of truth behind it that even you frothing-in-the-mouth anti-Islam types will have to admit to. And it has been well known that Islam spread fastest during times of peace.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still a liar.
            And as a muslim you have only one goal. World wide caliphate. And that's exactly why islam faces so much resistence as it tries to bomb and conquer it's away around the world.

          • US Muslim

            Here, fetch, little doggy…good girl.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The little monkey boy descends to name calling.That happens when all hope of any dignity has completely deserted you.

          • defcon 4

            LOL, when was Islam ever peaceful again Mehmet?

      • Jon MC

        Thanks for the point-by-point rebuttal to KTShamin.
        What we have here folks is "argument by assertion". Not one FACT stated in rebuttal.

        US Muslim writes: "So what wonderful religion is it that says it's OK to lie and slander others? What does it have to teach about the One True God? Please don't say Christianity or Judaism…some of my best friends are adherents of both."
        No-one would say that Judaism or Xtianity "says it's OK to lie and slander others? " That 'honour' belongs elsewhere.

        • US Muslim

          OK, wise guy, educate me then: Where does it say in the Qur'an that it's OK to lie and slander?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It depends if you're talking to infidels or not.
            Surah 9:1

          • US Muslim

            Why do I see so many amateurs here? Good grief…no wonder we're in trouble.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why do I see so many muslim apologists here? Good grief, at least you're called out here, no wonder we're not the byzantine empire just yet.

          • US Muslim

            I guess 1 is too many, huh, Roger? You're different from a liberal pansy bellyaching about the "conservative media" led by Fox News. And I noticed you need to copy my cliches…guess not much really exists in that miniscule organ known as your brain, is there?

            Yeah, let's become like the Byzantine Empire where Jews were horribly discriminated against. No wonder God took Jerusalem away from them and gave it to the Muslim Arabs, who then allowed Jews to return to Jerusalem and reopen Synagogues that the Byzantines had closed down.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You mean the Byzantine Empire that thought they could hire the muslims to fight their battles and realized there wasn't enough money to buy them off?

            Why do you muslim activists always hide behind the Jews? Why even bring up their name, they aren't involved in this discussion. islam has always been aggressive and you as a group are more oppressive to the Jews, ask the last Jews in Saudi Arabia.

          • US Muslim

            Hey, kiddo, you're the one who brought up the Byzantines to begin with. Forget that already? Caught in a web that you yourself tried to spin and now you blame me for it? Can't explain away their shortcomings? Boo-hoo…

            I'm glad the USA is nothing like the Byzantine Empire. We're a lot better.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, and how the islamist militants bled then to defeat.

            What's wrong 'kiddo'? Upset you couldn't use a straw man argument and get away with it?

            We're like that Byzantine empire in our struggle against militant islam.

          • US Muslim

            Let's not forget that the first time Constantinople was sacked was not by Muslims but by Christian Catholics (one of the later Crusades) which weakened it considerably. It was a wonder that it survived as long as it did. I'm not supportive of what happened to it when Muslim Turks overran it…they acted terribly against its inhabitants. but that's what happened.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Let's not forget that the first time Constantinople was sacked was not by Muslims but by Christian Catholics (one of the later Crusades) which weakened it considerably."

            We know. We don't lie about history.

            "I'm not supportive of what happened to it when Muslim Turks overran it…they acted terribly against its inhabitants. but that's what happened."

            You seem to have forgotten why the Catholics went on crusade in the first place. Not saying they should or should not have done something, but it was Islamic colonial aggression that got people angry and wanting to defend themselves.

          • US Muslim

            I know why the Crusades took place and find them understandable. But what cannot be condoned are the horrific acts that they perpetrated against Muslims, Jews and even eastern Christians in Palestine and especially Jerusalem. I believe God punished the Muslim rulers of Jerusalem (Al Hakim in particular) for persecuting Christians and Jews, but then He seems to have punished the Crusaders as well when Salauddin slaughtered them and took back Jerusalem from them.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Blame what happened on the invading islamic hordes.

            If they had just stayed in the desert instead of deciding they could and should impose sharia on the world by any bloody means possible it and millions of deaths since would not have happened.

            And Saladuddin took Jerusalem, it was a Christian/Jewish city, not a muslim one. It was captured by hostiles that stole it from the people who had lived there for thousands of years.

          • US Muslim

            The Crusades turned Jerusalem from a Jewish/Christian/Muslim city to a city for Christians only. It was only fitting that they be annihilated by Salauddin who then restored Jerusalem to a Jewish/Christian/Muslim city once again. Blame God for that…it was His Will that was fulfilled.

            Likewise, when the Jordanians threw the Jews out of Jerusalem after 1948, it was only fitting that they be defeated by the Israelis in 1967 and Jerusalem once more became a Jewish/Christian/Muslim city once again. That was God's Will, too.

            And I exist. That's God's Will. And you chose to be tormented by my existence. That's your choice. Now go cry yourself a river in your closet and ask how God could allow people like myself to exist.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Jerusalem was the cradle for Christianity.

            The Christians were there until Rome leveled it and were in the entire area.

            You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts.

          • US Muslim

            Would you then deny that the Byzantine Christians denied Jews the right to live in Jerusalem and also destroyed/shut down several of their synagogues? Would you deny that the site of the Temple Mount was being used as a rubbish dump by the Byzantines? Would you deny that when Omar, the 2nd caliph, captured the city from the Byzantines, he ordered the Temple Mount area to be cleaned up? Would you deny that Jews were then allowed back into the city and open up their closed synagogues and build new ones?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Would you deny that islam attacked the Byzantine Empire?

            Would you deny that islam of today treats Jews in Israel much worse than the Byzantines did?

            And Omar used a sacred site and defiles it by building a mosque to show it's capture. Just like the cordoba houses and victory mosques all around the world.

            To put it plainly, you're not fooling anyone.

          • US Muslim

            “And Omar used a sacred site and defiles it by building a mosque to show it’s capture. ” Hello, is anyone up there? Obviously not. When the Byzantines used that sacred site as a rubbish dump, they were’t doing anything wrong, were they, according to you? But Omar sees it, gets it cleaned up and builds a mosque on it with Jews as its builders as well as its guards, he was defiling it.

            .

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still using bad analogies?

            The red mosque is a stolen Christian church to prove victory. The temple mount has a mosque to signify victory. The Cordoba mosques signify victory.

            You just can't stand being so wrong, is that why muslims resort to lying so quickly?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If you're going to be this repulsive at least try to get your sentence structure correct.

          • US Muslim

            Ah…someone's been doing a bit of detective work here. I may disagree with "Alinsky Hero USA" on ideology and religion, but this has been fun to watch.

            So what else is Roger "Jesus He Knows Me" Russell hiding? All that BS about being honest while accusing people he disagrees with of lying was nothing more than farts from his gay butt.

            I was surprised to learn he was 50 years old already. I thought he was15…in spite of his Hitler mustache. Well, maybe a little older. But still, this sort of behavior is highly unbecoming and peculiar for a guy of 50. Talk about wasted years.

            Time for him to move out of his Momma's basement and apply for a job at the local fast food joint…he's not capable of carrying out a cyber Crusade, let alone capable of carrying out a real one. Might end up soiling his thong (!!!) in the process…eww.

            Hugs and big, wet, sloppy French kisses, the kind you love during your groupies. Then again, maybe not. Yuck…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The personal attacks.
            You can't argue or defend your forced style of life can you. You've been exposed and mocked and ridiculed.

            So, you're reduced to this.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Let's not forget that the first time Constantinople was sacked was not by Muslims but by Christian Catholics (one of the later Crusades) which weakened it considerably. It was a wonder that it survived as long as it did. I'm not supportive of what happened to it when Muslim Turks overran it…they acted terribly against its inhabitants. but that's what happened."

            Now that much more of the population is literate it's harder for tyrants to lie and get them whipped up with those lies. That's why you don't see "Catholic terrorists." Can you see how literacy changed Christian populations? Amazing how the Bible can influence people in bring on cultural and technological evolution.

            Islamic populations? Not. Just claims of victim status and aggression. What's the difference? Ideology. That doesn't mean every person is just as culpable as the next. It just means that we find it useful to look for root causes. It's that approach that led to technological domination in this world. We care about objective facts and our dominance proves that our ideologies make a difference.

            Just look at Israel vs. every other population in the region. Look how they thrive in spite of being constantly under attack. Other nations have wasted oil revenue in pursuit of decadent ignorant lives or worse; jihad. What's the difference? You tell me why. Please explain why all of these nations are backwards, unable to accept that for example micro-biology means Mohammed did not exactly reveal everything one needs to know to live a healthy happy life.

            If you looked at all of history objectively, you'd reject Mohammed as a lying tyrant. I don't know you well enough to see exactly where your blind spots are, but the fact that you think history can be used to defend Mohammed is a huge one.

          • US Muslim

            You're not gonna get what you want. I'm not afraid to look at the history of Muhammad and see him for what he truly was…a great man, a messenger of God, and a statesman. Read the book that Montgomery Watt wrote on him…this guy was a pretty strong Christian living in the UK many years ago.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You're not gonna get what you want."

            I'm sure you don't know what I want.

            "I'm not afraid to look at the history of Muhammad and see him for what he truly was…a great man, a messenger of God, and a statesman."

            Sex slaves are no problem then? Or that didn't really happen? I guess we can say that we know nothing about Mohammed for certain and we can then invent him according to our wishes. Or we can look at all of the evidence objectively rather than limiting ourselves to Islamic claims and always coming back to the circular logic of Mo.

            Mo was a prophet, therefore anything he did was great. How do we know everything he did was great? Well, he was a prophet you know.

            That's Islam in a nutshell. And then add a lot of tragic history and you arrive at what we have today.

            I'm glad you at least acknowledge some fact-based history. At some point though you'd have to account for some fairly radical statements from some well-known Muslims dating back to the time of the advent of Islam.

            Then you'd have to figure out apologies for Islamic claims that contradict archaeology and I could argue your side for you the way an attorney would (not actually believing it), but I won't get too far ahead of myself.

            In any case, the point is not to indict you personally. It's to inform you that the days of politely giving people the benefit of the doubt over their beliefs in totalitarian political systems is over.

            I hope you're sincere and that you keep looking for more of those facts, and that you consider them objectively. You might find the same or similar path that Walid Shoebat did. Not that you're a terrorist, but he was confronted by the facts and he was wise enough to consider that his indoctrination was based on circular logic…a closed system of belief that doesn't even tolerate considering that the Koran is false.

            As far as Watt, I'm not concerned about his beliefs but about the Muslims that follow the Mohammed of the hadith.

          • US Muslim

            If Muhammad exited today, he won't be having a child bride or sex slaves at all. But his detractors would find something to stick on him. Back then it was things like "he's crazy" or "he's a wizard" or "he's a magician" or "he'll turn us away from our gods and have us worshiping only one God, one whom we can't see".

            But when I look at the entirety of his life, he was one extraordinary person. One needs to look at his life in the context of that time and place, which you are obviously incapable of doing. If you spewed what you know about science 500 years ago in any European country, you would have been imprisoned by the authorities for blasphemy.

          • US Muslim

            Walid Shoebat was a terrorist. I've always been against terrorism. I came from a leftist, anti-fundamentalist background. I was taught to work hard and to never hate, lie, steal, cheat or hurt others. My views as a Muslim evolved over the years as I was exposed to new ideas; I accepted some and rejected others. As the years went by, I only grew stronger as a Muslim to the point where my faith in God took firm root and is unshakeable. I have full confidence in my faith as a Muslim and nothing anyone can say or do will move me.

            You believe the Qur'an is false. I have a million or so reasons that it is not. No human could have authored it…when I first read it as a teenager I was moved by the power of its verses. It made me hunger for more, to learn more. It is what kept me alive, sane, sober and happy. If nothing else, I will always be grateful to God for having me born in a Muslim family and guiding me to His Word.

          • US Muslim

            I see no conflict between Islam and the US Constitution. I don't need Sharia Law to be a good Muslim. I just need freedom to explore and improve myself with minimal intervention from the govt. That's why I'm a social conservative and a fiscal/political libertarian.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If Mohammed were here today he would still be doing exactly what he wanted to do, and have his 'visions' back him up. Just as he did then, islam is what it is because of the lack of character mohammed had during his lifetime.

            If you want to reform it, then have the guts to do what Martin Luther did and start reformation.

          • US Muslim

            No he won't. He would have been indistinguishable from the ordinary guy on the street as he was back in his day. And he had a reputation of being honest and trustworthy, even among his enemies, and long after he declared his prophethood.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes he would. Either allah isn't god and didn't know what he wanted, or he did.

            For you to say he had a prophet that was the literal mouth for what he wanted said but that the prophet didn't do the right things and would have changed is a flawed argument.

            Are you admitting mohammed wasn't a good prophet or that allah is different now and somehow the entire religion is based on a flawed mouthpiece?

          • US Muslim

            Momma's boy

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still owned, still wanting to distract from that?You're just a second rate loser and don't even know how to debate.Do you share bongs with alinsky?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You believe the Qur'an is false. I have a million or so reasons that it is not. "

            Show me one reason that doesn't depend on circular logic.

          • US Muslim

            How many books do you know that were authored by someone who couldn't read or write?

            There are passages in the Qur'an that give hints on the relative nature of time.

            What were Jews doing in Medina , thousands of miles from their homeland in Palestine, at around the time when Muhammad showed up?

            Why is it that after 13 years of preaching in Mecca, where there were virtually no Jews and Christians, he only gained a handful of followers, but by the time he reached Medina after he fled Mecca, most of the Arab pagans who practically followed the same religion as the Meccans, embraced Islam, converted en masse to Islam within a very short period of time?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The Jews were driving from their ancestral home by Rome and Medina was a trade city outside the Roman empire. A safe haven until the barbaric mohammed came along.

            And we know how many Jews are in Saudi Arabia now, thanks to that barbarism.

            No wonder they demand their ancestral homeland back.

          • US Muslim

            Crybaby

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Coming from the poor little troll who was whining about the Jews only giving equal citizenship to arabs and that not being good enough,that's almost funny.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "No human could have authored it…when I first read it as a teenager I was moved by the power of its verses. It made me hunger for more, to learn more. It is what kept me alive, sane, sober and happy. If nothing else, I will always be grateful to God for having me born in a Muslim family and guiding me to His Word."

            That's purely subjective and you're in denial about the cultural influence on faith in children. I guess all religions are true even though they contradict each other, because we can find just such testimony for each of them.

            If you were truly inquisitive and open-minded as you say, you'd wonder why the Koran had to "correct" the Bible. It creates an obvious conflict that any reasonable person would want to solve without being hemmed in by those who won't even accept that they might be the party that has it wrong.

          • US Muslim

            Guess what…I actually had to take a Bible class during my 7th and 8th grades in school while I was in Nigeria. By age 14 I knew the Bible better than the Qur'an.

            I was 15 when I started to study the Qur'an on my own.

            Do you honestly believe that the Bible is the ONLY scripture sent by God to mankind? As a Muslim, I don't. I strongly believe that the Geeta, the Tripitak, the Book of Zoroaster, the Torah, the Gospel of Jesus, etc. all contain the Word of God. But if they remained unchanged, there would have been no contradictions between them, don't you think? To me, the Qur'an simply is the seal to it all, the final Word of God to mankind that summarizes all that came before it in one book.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So you say that you know the Bible better than the koran and then in the same comment comment on the Gospel of Jesus as if it's another body of work?

            You're a liar and don't know what you're talking about.

          • US Muslim

            OK, Roger…time for me to stop being an excuse for your not praying to your closet bogeyman or actually having any kind of meaningful, productive life outside of cyberspace and this forum in particular. Sandbox's all yours to play in with whoever will play with you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            OK nigerian muslims.

            It's time for you to pretend the fake God that is too weak to know if you pray in a closet can reward or protect you.

            You think you're the only way of thinking that deserves to be defended? I don't. And I'll defend my values, my freedoms and religion on any forum I please. If that bothers you go back to Nigeria.

          • US Muslim

            Homeless bum

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            What, you a beduin?

          • Fruitbat

            Have you noticed a common theme particular to Muslims- they always resort to personal insults when they've lost the argument. Pathetic.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Like clockwork. It's all they have.

            Liberalism and islam are both fascist by nature and attack any dissent like a rabid monkey.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Do you honestly believe that the Bible is the ONLY scripture sent by God to mankind? "

            Based on rational evidence, that seems the most plausible explanation. It does take a lot of study to overcome a lot of the lies we pick up from our culture at large, but eventually you can make a rational case that the Bible is the most plausible candidate to represent the word of God exclusive from other claims.

            That's actually what the Bible is; a collection of all the prophets that met the tests. If there were other prophets that could meet those standards it would by definition become a part of the Biblical canon. The plain facts are that Mohammed did not even come close to meeting those standards. He actually qualifies as an anti-Christ. That means he came in God's name and fooled many but perverted and subverted God's will. Many myths and excuses were created in nearly 14 centuries so there is a lot to wade through for those with the courage to do so.

            I never said it was easy for everyone.

          • US Muslim

            "I never said it was easy for everyone"
            You're right about that. It isn't easy for you to accept that God sent messengers to every nation with the same common message to each of them: That God is One, and the Judgment Day was coming when we would all stand before Him.

            The Qur'an confirms this. By your standards, Israel was the ONLY nation to be given messengers. The Qur'an, on the other hand, confirms that although God favored Israel above all other nations, He did not neglect any portion of mankind. I have no trouble believing that Confucius and Gautama were one-time messengers sent to the Chinese and the Indians respectively by God Himself.

            To me, the concept laid forth in Islam is extremely broad: God's Mercy is universal and applies to all of us. All faiths lead to Islam. If I were to look at another religion, it would have me looking back to Islam. To me, the Qur'an is a confirmation of all that came before it, and a seal to it all. God's final Revelation to mankind.

            And THAT is why I can never leave Islam. Not for a billion tons of gold, and not for a gun against my head or the heads of those I love. To deny Islam would be to deny everything I have come to know about everything.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "By your standards, Israel was the ONLY nation to be given messengers."

            In theory it's possible every nation got messengers. Israel as the son of Isaac carried the lineage for Moses and other prophets to deliver the Bible. That's the one we can confirm today. The only one.

            There is nothing to authenticate any texts other than Moses and his prophets. Since there is nothing to authenticate the Koran according to the standards of Moses, we can't consider it part of that canon. We can't authenticate it any other way either.

            Where does that leave us? We look for consistent ideas by what standard? If the Bible already teaches this, why add to it with something that can't be authenticated and that leads to controversy rather than clarity?

            It seems like the ego keeps many people from accepting the texts all came from another nation alien to them.

            All of the arguments against the Bible are based on ignorance or subjectivity, usually both.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I have no trouble believing that Confucius and Gautama were one-time messengers sent to the Chinese and the Indians respectively by God Himself."

            You can believe it if you want, but you can't really count on it. And you have no need to believe it. They don't do anything for us today.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "To me, the concept laid forth in Islam is extremely broad: God's Mercy is universal and applies to all of us. All faiths lead to Islam. If I were to look at another religion, it would have me looking back to Islam. To me, the Qur'an is a confirmation of all that came before it, and a seal to it all. God's final Revelation to mankind. "

            That's a fine universal message but it doesn't lead to much clarity. It doesn't help us understand for example why so many people use God's name to justify violence and oppression when the Bible teaches that outside of the need to preserve the cohesion of the ancient people of the prophets, that faith should not be coercive.

            One reason you want them together is to create a coherent testimony. Your theory does not lead to coherency. If God does exist, it's not too flattering to present him as incoherent and incapable of preserving a definitive canon.

            If we're all one people, why does not need to spread prophets all around where they are absorbed in to various cultures that alter what he said? Maybe he did, but if those messages are not reliable it doesn't do us any good in terms of witnessing outside of the people who heard it directly before it was corrupted. So that is the role of the Bible.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "And THAT is why I can never leave Islam. Not for a billion tons of gold, and not for a gun against my head or the heads of those I love. To deny Islam would be to deny everything I have come to know about everything."

            I'm not personally offering you anything. All I'm saying is that even by your own logic you don't need Islam except where it confirms the Bible. If that's how you use it, that's great. Help me convince the other billion plus people that identify (or are identified by others) as Muslims today.

            If your "seal" modifies the message in any way, it's more than a seal. You then need to meet the standards set forth by Moses or explain where Moses was wrong about discernment of prophets and prophecy.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They claim to be of the book, then ignore everything Moses taught.

            Like friday worship and ignoring the Sabbath that Moses taught as a central pillar of recognizing God.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "If Muhammad exited today, he won't be having a child bride or sex slaves at all."

            That depend on many things but you're deviating from the point. You need to account for what he did in reality, not your imagination about justifications and what if scenarios. He's supposed to be the model for man that replaced Jesus and all of the other Hebrew prophets in revelation AND provided a perfect model for behavior, which supposedly the Hebrew prophets failed at.

            "But his detractors would find something to stick on him."

            That's what detractors do. That's hardly salient.

            "Back then it was things like "he's crazy" or "he's a wizard" or "he's a magician" or "he'll turn us away from our gods and have us worshiping only one God, one whom we can't see"."

            I doubt you intend to say this justifies what he did do because he would have been criticized anyway? That's the theory?

            "But when I look at the entirety of his life, he was one extraordinary person. One needs to look at his life in the context of that time and place, which you are obviously incapable of doing."

            How is it obvious that I haven't already done that? I know exactly what he was. He was a war lord who was extraordinarily evil and crafty. He was successful by the standards of his time and place. But not as a supposed prophet.

            "If you spewed what you know about science 500 years ago in any European country, you would have been imprisoned by the authorities for blasphemy."

            And nearly 1400 years later we know he was full of BS.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So full, his ears leaked.

          • US Muslim

            No, that would be the candle that you made out of your earwax.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still a nigerian muslim, are you going to try telling me next that someone died and left me money and I need to send a bank account so you can transfer funds into it?

            You silly little liar. No wonder you're dumb enough to fall for islam. Are you going to go out and bomb some churches in norther nigeria or something to get even for looking like such a fool here?

          • US Muslim

            Dancing boy

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You would starve if you tried it.

            And no, I'm not muslim. Christianity doesn't have any traditions similar to that, or the child brides, or even the goat brides.
            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4748292.stm

          • US Muslim

            Nearly 1,400 years later, Islam is still around, spreading and thriving. Have a nice day.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still violent, still bent on conquest and still be resisted by folks unwilling to bow to mecca.

          • US Muslim

            Hitler mustache

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Hitler couldn't grow a decent mustache.And I bet you can't either.

          • kafir4life

            Actually Abdullard, mohamat was a pig, born of a pig, lived like a pig, taught pigs to be muslims, which are pigs.
            allahu snackbar, muslim.

          • defcon 4

            I wonder how many crimes you just committed in any islamic state?

          • US Muslim

            Do you think I care?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Do you think you were paying attention?

          • defcon 4

            That's exactly the problem abdullahtard.

          • US Muslim

            No, that would be you. My regards to your Momma.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Is that why your women are forced to hide under a burka? Oinkers are they?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Well, at least you aren't talking about chopping my head off any longer.

          • US Muslim

            Actually, from what I heard, he failed at his marriage. Too busy trolling websites to give time to his wife…poor lady.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Actually from what you've heard you're just a moron that can't discuss issues so you try personal attacks.

          • US Muslim

            Coming from a 50 year-old bitter failed missionary living in his Momma's basement who trolls compulsively and engages in nothing but personal attacks, that means absolutely nothing.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Oh my, I'm almost crushed.

            Why not call me a commie or something while you're making up a list of things you want to whine about?

            Still using personal attacks? That's what I just pointed out. So, you made my point for me, like an idiot.

          • objectivefactsmatter
      • cfk_sd

        You're right, I DID try and make intellectual arguments mixed with facts that support my views. Is there a better way to argue? And, I included detailed facts that come straight from the Islamic texts themselves, including the Qu'ran, the Hadith, and Ibn Ishaq's biography of Muhammad. I cited numerous facts, at least as presented by these texts, and you did not questions any single one of them in your rebuttal. Tell me, UK Muslim, which ones do you think I got wrong? Did Muhammad NOT oversee the slaughter (by beheading) of 600 – 900 jews of the Banu Qurayza tribe? Are you saying the raid at Khybar did not happen? Did Muhammad NOT write letters to the rulers of neighboring lands threatening them with violence if they did not submit to Islam? What specific facts or history can you cite to prove I am a "liar" as you called me?

        I don't have a problem with anyone challenging me in rebuttal. But you embarrass yourself giving one so devoid of any reasonable arguments other than I'm a liar and you know history. If history is your passion, why don't you cite some that supports your position?

        • US Muslim

          OK, here goes:

          The verses in Sura 9 are specific to the region in and around Mecca. But even there the assertion is made that if an idolater seeks refuge from a Muslim, he/she MUST be granted it and conveyed to a place of safety.

          "The likely reason that Muhammad did not engage in war for the first 13 years of his prophethood is not because he didn’t want to, but because he couldn’t." Likely?? How about the fact that such an act would be considered to be terrorism and not a legitimate act of war according to Islam?

          "He took up arms in order to obtain war booty from the caravans taking goods from Damascus to Mecca." Do you realize that it was the Meccan pagans who had driven the Muslims out of their own homes through acts of violence, and then stole everything that the Muslims left behind? War had effectively been declared by the Meccans against the Muslims. Also, the planned raid of the caravan never took place…it was a ruse meant to draw out Meccan army. But the caravan was in no danger when it changed course, and the Meccans had the option of turning back when the ruse came to light. Yet they chose to pursue the Muslims and so were beaten at Badr.

          • US Muslim

            There's more.

            "When he came back to Mecca, he was victorious (though a treaty-breaker), and did grant a general amnesty". Now here you are a LIAR. Muhammad did NOT break the treaty of Hudaybiyya…that was done by the pagan tribe of Bakr when they attacked a rival tribe that was allied with Muhammad. And how many conquerors back in those days granted a "general amnesty" to a conquered population? Most, if not all, would have been put to the sword, even by those who were prophets in the Bible.

            The tribe of Bani Qurayza had betrayed Muhammad and torn up the treaty they made with him. The punishment meted out to them was, ironically, commanded by GOD in the Book of Deuteronomy to the Israelites against their enemies. As for the Jewish settlements at Khybar, it was they who roused up the pagan Arabs of the desert to attempt to annihilate the Muslims at Medina. Muhammad was just eliminating the threats that the Muslim community faced at the time…he wasn't interested in wiping out Jews simply for being Jewish.

            And as far as "abrogation" is concerned, you don't understand the concepts…you simply regurgitate what the extremists among Muslims spout out.

            Need I go on?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're a liar. It's the next to last word from Mohammed and as such is the last word on the topic.

            Do you think all infidels are as stupid as you've been telling everyone at mosque?

          • US Muslim

            "Do you think all infidels are as stupid as you've been telling everyone at mosque?"
            Ha-ha. I don't even speak when I attend mosque services.

            I don't think all "infidels" are stupid. But I KNOW for a fact hat you, Roger, are a mental case, not just stupid.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yet here you are trying to use propaganda and expect to have some sort of influence.

            So, who's the mental case? You do realize the story is on the aggressive nature of islam, and you haven't shown it's wrong. That's just stupid to think you can slither around the point and pretend it doesn't exist.

          • US Muslim

            Propaganda only works on the brain-dead. Most people here are not, but people like you would be a better fit in Jerry Springer's universe.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why so cranky? Did you really think you could waltz in here spread islamic talking points and then leave smiling as everyone looked around confused?

            That didn't work so well for you, did it?

          • US Muslim

            Actually, I AM smiling. The ugly face of the anti-Islam movement rears it's head every time I poke it on this forum…goes to show the pathetic weakness in faith in God in people like yourself. It sure has been fun…I call it entertainment.

            You won't succeed. You're like someone who tries to ward off Count Dracula with a Crucifix only to have him knock it off from your hands because your faith just wasn't strong enough. In my case, it's like using pig's blood against me, when I know full well that all I need to do is take another warm, soapy shower afterwards (and please don't get any ideas while I'm showering). I know life can be pretty lonely for you…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It's not an ugly face. It's the face of freedom, liberty, the need to cry out from the soul and the demand that know one, not even from the 8th century reach out and snatch if from us!

            Not even in a Jeep. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/15/arizona-

          • US Muslim

            It's an ugly face of hatred, ignorance and disbelief masquerading around as a champion for liberty and freedom. Just as the KKK claims in their website that they stand for the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. Just as North Korea is described as a "Democratic People's Republic".

            I'm the champion for freedom and liberty here, not you. You're scared of it, which is why you chose to come after me in the first place.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You muslims really don't appreciate freedom and liberty.
            Your version of freedom is your freedom to capture and impose sharia. That's not freedom for anyone, even you. Not any more than happened in Sudan. Not any more than what happened to Egypt when it fell to the muslim horde.

            That's why no muslim should be allowed to immigrate.

          • US Muslim

            I'm here, I'm an American, I'm a Muslim and I'm free. There's nothing you can do about it. Suck on that.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're here. You're pretending to value American values and you're not free. You're islamic and are forced to give all your loyalties to allah, which is sharia.

            There may be nothing I can do about it since our traitor in the white house wants us destroyed. But don't think you can lie about your values and have anyone believe it.

          • US Muslim

            So you blame my being here on your dumbas$$ president? Boo-hoo. Do you think that if Romney was elected you could do anything about me? What could you do? Come over to my place and bark and yip?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Do I think that a loyal American would be more effective at protecting the US? Of course.

          • US Muslim

            That would be me or Mitt Romney. Not you or Obama.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Not you, you're already admitted you're loyal to allah. sharia has your heart.

          • US Muslim

            No, YOU'RE a liar, Roger…and a really dumb hypocrite, to boot.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why? I'm a liar for pointing out your al taqiyya?

            Yeah, good luck with that. Go ask your cleric for new talking points.

          • US Muslim

            The whole concept of Al Taqiyya is a lie…you used just ONE VERSE to "prove" its existence! Pathetic…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The fact you deny it's part of the muslim culture shows how heavily you depend on it.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfXYkXFMiI0

          • US Muslim

            Groan…another dumb video. Is that all you've got?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Groan…another dumb video. Is that all you've got?"
            http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiy

            Even left-leaning wiki editors have to admit it exists:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

          • US Muslim

            Sigh…I already read that one. Note the following sentence there:

            "No term such as taqiyya is used in Sunni jurisprudence." I just happen to be a lifelong Sunni Muslim.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            ""No term such as taqiyya is used in Sunni jurisprudence." I just happen to be a lifelong Sunni Muslim."

            That's not a strong rebuttal. Do you deny that Islamic texts and culture have no problem with the Machiavellian aspect of politics?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He uses it to deny it.
            It's a classic.

          • US Muslim

            You post a link, it said something that I used, and you act as if I made up what was in the link.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Can you post a link showing anything you said was actually true?

          • US Muslim

            Lying ignoramus

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, you are. You've been owned all over this story. If you had any shame at all you'd have crawled away and sought help.Professional help and maybe even psychiatric medication.

          • US Muslim

            I don't know how strong a rebuttal would satisfy you. That being said, my understanding of Qur'anic texts are clear to me with regard to how to conduct myself in public and private: All power belongs to God. Those who seek worldly gain at the expense of their souls will inhabit hell in the Afterlife.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            How about honesty for a change?

            Your understandings of the koran may be clear, but you wont' level with anyone here about it.

            How you conduct yourself is in keeping with the surah 9 mandates. You're biding you time, just like the ft hood shooter did.

            All powers belong to the Almighty, not the fake god that wants to destroy His people in Israel and can't.

          • US Muslim

            Your definition of honesty means agreeing with you 100%.

            My definition of honesty is not to hide what I believe in when asked about it.

            I have been honest with you. You haven't been honest even with yourself. So before you expect it from me, you should expect it from yourself first.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Your definition of honesty is flawed.
            And you do hide what you believe because you deny the violent and barbaric nature of islam.

            You don't know what honest is, so don't pretend you can actually be honest.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "…my understanding of Qur'anic texts are clear to me with regard to how to conduct myself in public and private: All power belongs to God. Those who seek worldly gain at the expense of their souls will inhabit hell in the Afterlife."

            Wonderful. You're awesome. Now as to Islamic texts and culture, do you deny that Islamic texts and culture have no problem with the Machiavellian aspect of politics?

          • US Muslim

            Personally, I haven't come across any verses in the Qur'an that command Muslims to act in a Machiavellian manner under any circumstances EXCEPT during warfare. And when it comes to governing, leaders are required to maintain the same level of honesty with their people as they would with themselves and with their family members. Correct me if I'm wrong.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course you have. And you've been shown some here on this story thread.

            9:1 Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.

            A treaty is not during a time of war. It's the attempt to stop a war and you are commanded to lie.

            9:23 O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.

            You're not even allowed to be friendly to infidels.
            And if you are lying and acting friendly you have limits on how far you can go.

            9:28 O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship after this their year. If ye fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Personally, I haven't come across any verses in the Qur'an that command Muslims to act in a Machiavellian manner under any circumstances EXCEPT during warfare."

            Bingo. As soon as you have the seeds of evil, people will use that to serve their evil agenda and imagine they have the support of God.

            A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

            People do lie, but they can't find Biblical support for it anywhere. That means you won't find preachers making obtuse excuses for Machiavellian tactics.

            Definition of MACHIAVELLIAN

            1: of or relating to Machiavelli or Machiavellianism
            2: suggesting the principles of conduct laid down by Machiavelli; specifically : marked by cunning, duplicity, or bad faith

            —–

            Bad faith. Our culture may have liars, but our ethos is to root out liars. We don't have preachers in churches making excuses for making war. That's why we have protections for churches because we consider the teachings to be good and consistent with our society's values.

            Protecting the "sanctity" of any hostile ideology is insane. Treating mosques as churches is insanity. Nothing personal against you. But do you see my point now? When mosques can be used as places to seek sanctuary to make plans to subvert and undermine our constitution and values, it's very very clear that we can't pretend all religions are equal. They are not.

            That doesn't mean we must liquidate non-Christians. It means that we need to educate people not to make false assumptions about, for example, the "equality" of churches and mosques. It is statistically much more likely that treason against the USA will be born and raised inside a mosque than a church. That is huge understatement.

            Anyone who denies that is lying or ignorant. It's the implications of admitting that that scares people and I already stated that I'm not a maniac looking to use unjust violence merely by pointing out distinctions.

            I'm trying to rectify dangerous beliefs. Teaching the truth about the most salient facts will reduce tensions and possibly lead to compromises that we can all live with. There are no good excuses for lying. The first step is rectifying those lies in priority of importance and urgency.

            "And when it comes to governing, leaders are required to maintain the same level of honesty with their people as they would with themselves and with their family members. Correct me if I'm wrong."

            The problem is that any pursuit of global sharia can be considered "valid" jihad. Therefore it's very easy to be convinced you must lie, even when fighting the US constitution. It's very easy to convince many Muslims that undermining the US constitution is required and using deceit is fully sanctioned or even required.

            You can defend yourself in this case but you can't defend the texts or the history of how it's been read and acted upon by Muslim leaders.

            The topic at hand is the set of implications of Islamic ideology.

          • US Muslim

            From the earliest precedent set by Muhammad himself, the only legitimate form of war or military Jihad can be declared by a government. And according to the Qur'an, if one side sues for peace, the other side MUST respond in kind.

            According to some of the earlier accounts of Muhammad's life, there were those individuals who were killed by Muslims on Muhammad's orders. Whether these accounts were true or not, they were made at a time and place when the very survival of the Muslim community of Medina was at stake. Nowadays the survival of Muslim communities around the world is NOT at stake (the exception being that of the Bosniaks in the 1990s). Anyone attempting to use such acts to justify murder for any reason when no legitimate war has been declared, (Daniel Pearl, Van Gogh, etc.) has got to be out of his/her mind.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're a crock.

            9:1 Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.

            And you're a horrible liar.

          • US Muslim

            Then stop engaging me if everything you believe comes from me is a lie. We all know how you'll respond to me before you even start typing. You're wasting your time and not winning anyone over to your side.

            Unless, of course, you KNOW I'm telling the truth but also happen to hate the fact that someone like me could actually exist. If you're truly interested in fighting Jihadis, why didn't you join up with the Army 10+ years ago? Maybe because they, too, knew you were cuckoo in the head? No, a chicken hawk like you is only interested in fighting "imagined enemies" of democracy in cyberspace, where no one can hurt you. Look behind you, Roger Russel, 'cos what you do here would not have prevented those two losers in Boston from trying to blow up the marathon there. For you, it's more important to save mankind from the likes of me simply because I'm a Muslim. You sure seem to have your priorities set right…yeah, right.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            That's why I engage you, so that everyone else can see that what you say is a lie.

            What I do here? I defend my liberties and beliefs from liars in the forum of ideas. And if you didn't feel threatened you wouldn't care. We need to turn back islamic fundamentalism and re-inser training in the FBI and Military so that people who get reports from Russia and Saudi Arabia about a terrorist they understand how dangerous islam is.

            Calling islam "islam" is about recognizing that, if you had read the story.

            So, if you come here and try to act like no one has the right to challenge you al taqiyya inspired lies then it's not going to work.

          • US Muslim

            You're pathetic.

            You act as if Muslims…ALL Muslims…are a threat to your liberties. That is soooooo dumb of you.

            I see a far greater threat coming from…the Democrat Party, the party of slavery, secession, segregation, gun-control, unconstitutional and anti-constitutional laws and measures, the KKK, race hucksters, immorality, irresponsibility, crime, illegal immigration, and so on. The reality of life in America is that you're with one of 2 major parties or you won't get too far when it comes to pushing an agenda forcefully. And that's why I threw my support behind the Republicans, conservatives and libertarians nearly 20 years ago.

            But none of that really matters to you. The whole premise of this article is woefully flawed and incomplete. Only the fundies say Islam, but to them I'm not really a Muslim. On the other hand, people like myself know the game that the fundies want to play…to them, you're nothing more than a useful idiot and an echo chamber for their propaganda.

            I'm just waiting for you and the fundies to suck each other's c0cks over my dead body.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They are. The last word of mohammed on this subject was very specific.

            9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

          • US Muslim

            Same old drivel…never quote the rest of the chapter, as it doesn't fit your agenda. Move along, folks…Roger Russell just threw up some of the same old crap again.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Same old al taqiyya?

            The rest fits the same agenda. By the time mohammed wrote surah 9 as his next to last writing and his final word on this subject he was bitter and angry for the way decent folks rejected him and he was rather blunt about using force and violence.

          • US Muslim

            Let's see…Roger Russell's definition of "decent folks" who rejected Muhammad:

            1) Folks who hoarded while their neighbors went poor.
            2) Folks who believed in burying infant girls alive when they couldn't afford a dowry.
            3) Folks who were immoral…idolatrous, drunken fools who were just sooo full of themselves.
            4) Folks to whom murder wasn't a crime, and neither was marriage to young girls (Except, of course, when Muhammad did it, which then made him a pedophile by default, but not any of the folks that Roger Russell refers to as "decent")

            I guess you would consider such people to be decent, since you don't know what human decency really is all about to begin with. No surprise there…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Trying to define me? You don't have the capacity to even understand islam, so don't think you're even close with a real person from the west as opposed to the things your cleric taught you in nigeria.

            You're pretending islam understand decency while ignoring everything it teaches and does.

            Ask Daniel Pearl if it's very decent. Ask Neda from Iran, ask the Christians attacked in Nigeria.

            You're the one who's no surprise. All islam has is propaganda and people too stupid to run for their lives.

          • US Muslim

            And I've got a book to sell you that'll turn you into a PhD holder in nuclear engineering in just under an hour!!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Probably iranian.

            Is that why so many of their facilities just happen to blow up?

          • US Muslim

            No…Israeli. But they saw you as mentally unstable…which is why they didn't let you in.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Israel hasn't had problems with Dimona, that's how they can sell electricity to Gaza.

            Poor iran, one explosion after another. It's almost as if they make sticky bombs for more than car doors.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Anyone attempting to use such acts to justify murder for any reason when no legitimate war has been declared, (Daniel Pearl, Van Gogh, etc.) has got to be out of his/her mind."

            What do you suppose motivates all of these jihadis and why is it statistically so much more common to have terrorists act in the name of Islam as opposed to Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, etc?

            How are Muslim political organizations seen as valid when they show clear preferences for Muslims, like CAIR supposedly looking out for "human rights" and so forth. How do they get away with this if a majority of Muslims find this unacceptable?

            How is it seen as acceptable and proper to have a coalition of Islamic states organizing as a block in the UN? If any other religion was used to organize in this way, it just wouldn't be tolerated by anyone, especially the OIC.

            How is it that the Muslim Brotherhood had so much support in Egypt and possibly still have a support of the majority?

            Isn't it possible that you learned Islam in a Western context and projected many of those values in to Islam yourself?

          • US Muslim

            "Isn't it possible that you learned Islam in a Western context and projected many of those values in to Islam yourself?"
            I will admit that this statement is true, but only partially. But the current state of Western thought would not have been acceptable to Christians 500 years ago.

            My thoughts start simply with the declaration of faith in One God, as outlined in Islam. Then came the upbringing that I had with my parents who taught me from the earliest years to be honest and work hard and to not lie, cheat or steal. Couple that with how I was schooled…academic pressure from age 5 was intense, as was the enforcement of discipline. I went to school with Nigerian Christians, but they did not have as strong a democratic tradition as Americans and Europeans do…at least, not while I was growing up there in the 1970s.

            Add to all that my discovery of the evil acts committed by fundamentalist Muslims in Bangladesh back in 1971, and my initial disgust at the west for political hypocrisy, and my inclination towards socialism, but I could never accept communism. At the same time I had traveled widely during my childhood, and had visited the USA when I was 10. To me, the USA was a sort of magical place where one could get anything.

            When I came to the USA I came as a college student. I went to a Christian college and graduated in 4 years. I was exposed to the American Right while I was there, and I shifted away from socialism and towards political conservatism/libertarianism.

            To me, Islam has, and always will be, my religion and the foundation of all of my thoughts, ideas and philosophy. My study of world history has convinced me that a lot of people, Muslims and non-Muslims alike, have it all wrong about what Islam is and what God expects from us. There is a lot more to Islam than what the mullahs would have the rest of us believe.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And it's people like you explain why we don't trust any islamic follower. No matter what, you're still loyal to the system that says this.

            9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

          • US Muslim

            How does CAIR get away with what they do? Simple. The same way Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton can be called "civil rights leaders" and not "race hucksters".

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            They harass, they intimidate they use language twisted beyond belief and they lie out both ends.

            And they have the media covering for them.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "How does CAIR get away with what they do? Simple. The same way Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton can be called "civil rights leaders" and not "race hucksters"."

            There's a large degree of truth to that, but more of the truth would include answering why moderate Muslims aren't heard speaking out against them?

            There are a number of possible reasons, but we need to smoke out the deceivers.

            I'd also say that stakes are higher in going along with CAIR's agenda. As the stakes increase, the cost of silence grows.

            I'm reminded of the reaction to George Bush's line that "You're either with the terrorists or you're with us." Many Muslims went ballistic.

            I think that as of today, given the history of violence and subversion, we should have a much broader consensus against the jihadis. I blame the leftists as much as anyone else.

            The key difference between what you and I have said here is that you don't blame Islamic texts and I see them as a dangerous tool. Since I don't recognize any positive value to them, it makes it more difficult for me to just simply say that we must accept the bad of Islam in order to reap the rewards. Obviously my math will be different than yours.

          • US Muslim

            ""You're either with the terrorists or you're with us"
            When GWB said that, my answer was immediate: I'm with America and against the terrorists. I even recorded the entire speech on a VHS tape.

            The problem with Muslims in America is that many are just plain naive; others are fearful. Only the loudest voices get heard: The voices of the creamers at CAIR and related organizations.

            Then there are those Muslims who go wild after coming here; they go crazy for parties, booze, drugs and sex, only to suddenly switch to violent radicalism overnight. A lot of domestic Muslim terrorists fall into this last category. Others were radicalized long before coming here, but somehow manage to get in.

            I was lucky that my moral, religious and philosophical ideals ran as deep as they did when I came here, I went from there and corrected my mistakes and misunderstandings, as I am required to do as a Muslim.

            There are voices of moderation out there among Muslims, but they are not heard, especially in the "mainstream" media. We just don't make for good ratings, or don't fit the "victim" mentality that the media just loves to promote.

            One can only hold down boiling water in a kettle before it boils over.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still the hate filled muslim pretending to be a moderate?

            How revealing. So, all your talking points were just trolling points.

          • US Muslim

            Oh, I'm so sorry , Roger, but it seems that your mind is too simple to have properly analyzed what I said here.

            Still chasing Islamic windmills, Don "Roger" Quixote?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still trying to sell them?

          • US Muslim

            Actually, yes! Would you be interested? Just pay me $100,000 in cash and it's all yours. And remember, no refunds!!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The Spaniards learned to hang ham hocks in their shops. It wasn't because islam is so peaceful, or trustworthy, not where infidels are involved.

            9:1 Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "The whole concept of Al Taqiyya is a lie…you used just ONE VERSE to "prove" its existence! Pathetic…"
            http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiy

            Even left-leaning wiki editors have to admit it exists:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Facts are not his friend.

          • US Muslim

            You won't know fact from fiction if your life depended on being able to tell them apart.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I know. That's why you're so funny.

            Why not just keep making things up.

            Are you going to call islam a religion of peace next?

          • Defcon 4

            But he does know what would happen to him if he were to publicly criticise your prophet or religion in any islamic state and so do most of the rest of us Mehmet.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The term 'honor killing' pops into my head for some reason…?

          • defcon 4

            It wouldn't be an honor killed but you would either be arrested for slandering islam, committing blasphemy or committing heresy. Whether or not you would survive long enough to be incarcerated is another matter, as is whether or not you would survive incarceration long enough to be "tried" (a Christian Pakistani preacher was arrested on charges of blasphemy and simply disappeared from police custody, before his "trial", never to be seen again).

          • US Muslim

            Pakistan is a cesspool of "Islamic" fundamentalism. I'm glad I never was a Pakistani.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yet you have muslims in Nigeria doing jihad trying to change the country into exactly the same thing.

            sharia.

          • US Muslim

            Why, you wanna "honor-kill" me?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            How about just realize you can't be loyal to a secular government, and that your values are incompatible with US citizenship and let you find a place where 'peaceful' islam is going to be a better 'fit' for the religion you love so much.

          • US Muslim

            Simpleton

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            muslim hackWait, I wanted to make you look worse and insult you more than you've already done to yourself.I may have to think about that one a while.

          • US Muslim

            Like I said before, .I already read that one. Note the following sentence there:

            "No term such as taqiyya is used in Sunni jurisprudence." I just happen to be a lifelong Sunni Muslim.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then you're openly lying.
            It's part of the muslim culture, even if you're told to deny it.

          • US Muslim

            So you believe I'm a Shia? You sooo stoopeed…BTW, the closet I got to Iran was 30,000 feet in a British Airways flight en route to London back in 1990 during the buildup of Operation .Desert Shield. What were you doing back then?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Come on, make up something better than that!

            That's lame, even patriot here has handlers that do better than that!

            You are so 'low hanging fruit'.

          • US Muslim

            Everything that you don't believe in is "made up" I know…the truth hurts so much. Poor little Roger…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Is it? Then why are there so many acts of terror committed by islamic activists? That says you're just a pile of pig poop and I'm actually correct. Why don't we just cruise over to al jazeera and see what a muslim based news source happened yesterday shall we?
            http://www.aljazeera.com/

            Bombings… by muslims agains muslims. (pakistan)
            muslims suspend muslim news (iraq)
            muslims using chemical weapons on muslims (syria)

            Sounds like you're a shill, a hack for a barbaric forced religion that doesn't just kill people trying to escape but is bored enough it kills it own .

            Poor little lying pile of dog poo.

          • US Muslim

            Loser

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, you are. Want to try being called out on obvious lies some more?I'm game and can see about four other posters that are up to the task too!

          • defcon 4

            The only things that aren't lies are the buckets of blood and piles of bodies caused by islam in the 21st century….

          • kafir4life

            muslims are pigs. islam is a gutter cult, and mohamat its inventor.

          • US Muslim

            How do I know you're not Calypso Louis Farrakhan in reverse?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You don't have enough class or style to even pretend to meet that low thresh hold.

          • US Muslim

            Village idiot

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't think a village would even claim you.And you do realize that your propaganda was a total and complete failure here.It must be hard.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Likely?? How about the fact that such an act would be considered to be terrorism and not a legitimate act of war according to Islam? "

            The problem is that anything the "prophet" wanted to take could be justified by Islam. Qualifying statements with "according to Islam" isn't helpful. It's deceptive. Maybe you're a good guy and you are completely duped by the hardcore. Watch out because your imam might approach you for jihad one day. Or you could be a liar. How could we possibly know?

            There is a war going on and we didn't start it. You'll say otherwise then we'll know you're a liar.

          • US Muslim

            There is a long-overdue war going on against Muslim extremists and the West didn't start it. But it has been going on for a lot longer, and the West has, from time to time, actually sided with the Jihadists. I have been against the Jihadists ever since I earned during my early teen years that they are a bunch of low-life, arrogant, bloodthirsty hypocrites.

          • US Muslim

            Reposted with corrections:

            There is a long-overdue war going on against Muslim extremists and the West didn't start it. But it has been going on long before 9/11, and the West has, from time to time, actually sided with the Jihadists. I have been against the Jihadists ever since I learned during my early teen years that they are a bunch of low-life, arrogant, bloodthirsty hypocrites.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yeah, yeah. Sure, what ever.

            Is this where you expect us to pretend we can believe anything you say?

          • US Muslim

            No, I don't. Get lost.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            My, I'm almost crushed. Almost,
            But then I have the freedom to mock you still.

            Did you make your 6 year old bride wait a couple of years before you started raping her like Mohammed did with his?

          • US Muslim

            My bride was around 29 when I tied the knot with her. She's the only woman I have gone to bed with. Sorry I can't fulfill your sick fantasies…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It took you that long to save up dowry?

            And as a sick lying freak don't blame me for your culture and your evil foundations for your religion/forced style of life.

            You must be a really bad muslim if you're not upholding and lying and defending what mohammed did.

          • US Muslim

            You're a fake Christian who thinks God favors you. Don't blame me for it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            All I blame you for is your obvious lies here.
            And for stupidly thinking anyone in this audience will fall for it.

            Before 9/11 possiblly. After the Atlanta recruiting shooting? Probably not. After Ft Hood? Not a chance. After Boston? You must be kidding!

            It's not going to fly, I don't care what your imman thinks of Americans, we learn.

          • US Muslim

            Keep blaming me…it's all you can do. t's the only thing you're good at.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            It also happens to be the truth.

          • US Muslim

            Know-nothing

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I know enough to make you look the two bit liar that you are.

            Want to make up more lies to defend islam?

            It's the religion of the desert suntan! Yeah, that's it!

          • kafir4life

            Were her genitals all cut up in islamic manner for you?

          • US Muslim

            Of course not…FGM is practiced by African Christians, Muslims and Animists. It's not an Islamic practice.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So you're against it or what?

            And why do you always try to say everyone is as bad as you instead of defending your practices?

          • US Muslim

            FYI, Little Roger Russell, FGM is NOT universally practiced by Muslims around the world. The vast majority don't. It's not one of my practices.

            "And why do you always try to say everyone is as bad as you "
            Juvenile delinquent

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course not, some haven't had the chance yet.

            And how do I know you are telling the truth? Didn't the ft hood shooter say much the same thing too?

            Some day you may read the koran and like the US trained afghanistani officers turn militant jihadi on us like so many other muslims.

          • defcon 4

            How many dancing boys have you danced with?

          • US Muslim

            Now why would I be gay like you? Better head for the NAMBLA website…you'll find plenty of men who would love to do you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So predictable. muslims culture accepts dancing boys and when he points that out (an obvious truth) you attack him personally instead of either defending you religion or calling for reform.

            What a hack, you're as stupid as the system you belong to.

          • US Muslim

            Closet queer

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't live in sharia.

            If guys did it for me, I wouldn't have to hide it or face being hung.

            And either way, this isn't a dating site and it's none of your business.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            door knob

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            jihadist

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            can opener

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            jizya tax

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            piano

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You pathetic muslim trolls.
            We're trying to have a serious discussion here.

            Even us muslim is pretending!

            Can't you just crawl back into your tent or cave?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            garlic

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            moron

          • US Muslim

            Coming from a doorknob, garlic and a piano, that means nothing. I got a laugh out of that one!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you probably sounded like a little girl giggling.

            6 weeks ago @ Breitbart.tv – Cain's Response To Cha… · 1 reply · 0 points
            "Why do you keep asking me how much marijuana I smoke? I told you, I smoke a lot everyday, but I don't know the exact amount of grams….."

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Exactly. He is a pathological contrarian with OCD.

            All I have to do is type a word, and he is compulsed to reply, like a trained Palovian dog.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're the loyal muslim activist who wants to chop heads off.

            1 day ago @ Big Government – Occupy-Linked Hacker G… · 17 replies · -6 points
            The revolution has begun and your kind will be finding their heads in baskets soon. I hope you still have that smile on your face when that time comes.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            tennis

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            dancing boys

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            bath

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            forced female genital mutilation

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            love

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            beheadings

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            earring

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            honor killings

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            lavender

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            camel urine as a medicine

          • US Muslim

            Turd

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, you are. Dog, maybe pig. It's hard to tell, maybe a combination of the two? You tell me, what do you smell like?

          • US Muslim

            Poor Roger…just overwhelmed by "pathetic Muslim trolls"…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Am I?

            I don't think so.
            Is this where you start calling me a dirty Jew or something?

          • US Muslim

            No…Jews are clean. Why do you expect to be elevated to their level? The Jews who founded Israel turned the desert of Palestine green and turned that corner of the world into an IT superhub…being an IT person myself, I can greatly admire that.

            One of my contemporaries, Fazlul Rahman Khan, was behind the design of several skyscrapers here in the USA, including what was once known as the Sears Tower.

            So what have you ever done for America? You really have an inflated view of yourself. Fart balloon…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, you're giving up on ;the Jews don't belong there' and 'need to give everything to the arabs' that would destroy everything, like they did in gaza?

          • Mary Sue

            Alinsky was a satanist.

          • US Muslim

            That he was.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And he had no problems with lying and deceiving – just like you!

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            hamburger

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            koranic toilet paper

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            tic-tac

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Nigerian carbombs

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            pop tart

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            burka

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            salad

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            brutal animal slaughter halil style

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            ribbon

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            stonings

          • US Muslim

            I find this to be very entertaining.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are a muslim.

            We don't expect much from you.

          • defcon 4

            I'll bet you don't find it as entertaining as the public stonings, beheadings, floggings and amputations that are the hallmark of islamofascist "justice" though do you Mehmet?

          • US Muslim

            Actually, I did watch firing squads on govt. TV while growing up in Nigeria. They were carried out by both Christians as well as Muslims.

            Punishment in villages can include necklacing. Look it up…they don't take too kindly to criminals over there.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Christians do not equate islam.

            Christians do have a rule of law, but it's not sharia and it's not barbaric.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            pencil case

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            market place car bombs

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            printer

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            hudna

          • Alinsky Hero USA
          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Are you still here? Don't they ever come along with a pooper scooper when a pile is smelling the place up?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Oh look the sexually devient stalker troll thinks he can harass me by targeting anyone with a common last name. What a barbaric muslim fool.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            You don't know her?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Do you know bozo the clown?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            He didn't believe in Satan or God. He liked to make fun of christian conservatives and their reactions to anyone that takes it seriously.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Sure he did.

            Do you believe in abusing recreational cannibus?

            6 weeks ago @ Breitbart.tv – Cain's Response To Cha… · 1 reply · 0 points
            "Why do you keep asking me how much marijuana I smoke? I told you, I smoke a lot everyday, but I don't know the exact amount of grams…."

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            moon

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            the fake moon goddess renamed

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            jesus

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The Real Emanuel.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            dirt

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            buried up to the neck stonings

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            pine cone

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            rebel ambushes

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            pen

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            apostate stoning

          • US Muslim

            Forced Baptisms

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't remember ever having them.

            Is that like a forced female genital mutilation?

          • Mary Sue

            He did so believe in Satan. Why else would he dedicate his book, Rules for Radicals, TO Satan (under the name "Lucifer", whom he called 'The First Radical')?!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You are against them?

            Then why do you keep explaining away the very things that they use to defend their actions?

            You know, like surah 9? You pretend all you want. Christianity went through a time of reformation. Protestants died and suffered to make their point. Why don't you go to mecca and step up to start that process is islam? Don't you love your allah enough to go against all the teachings mohammed laid out and die an apostate?

          • US Muslim

            You wanna know why? Try launching an invasion against Mecca and the US Govt. will respond to Saudi screams for help by sending its armed forces there to help them out. Mecca is Saudi-occupied territory, and the Saudis have the US Govt. in their back pockets.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Mecca is Saudi-occupied territory, and the Saudis have the US Govt. in their back pockets."

            That's sort of true, but the Saudis are fundamentalist Muslims, and the dissidents who complain about them are almost universally more belligerent and simply impatient with the Saudi's slow progress in attacking the West.

            And the Saudis don't have the US government, they merely have enough of the politicians to make it seem that way when it comes to certain topics.

            We oppose Saudi influence anywhere. Glad you join us. I hope we can trust you. I'll remain circumspect.

          • US Muslim

            There are those dissidents there that are very enlightened. They need our support.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "There are those dissidents there that are very enlightened. They need our support."

            I know of at least 2. I wish I knew more, but I don't. They seem to have modern secular values. That's why they have so little support. That's another reason why I hate leftists.

            However, whether you realize it or not, we are supporting them. We caution people all the time what is at risk for apostasy, or being declared apostate for holding views consistent with the US constitution (Western liberal democracy before the communist-socialists started to trash so many Western governments) without any excuses. Preaching for separation between religion and state can get anyone killed very fast in virtually every Islamic nation.

            Look, it's possible you are personally as straightforward as you claim. But for you to attack belligerently and wonder why people are skeptical doesn't seem to show much humility or awareness about the huge problems caused by Islamic ideology, whether or not those trouble-makers follow "true" Islam. You've got no compelling case to make to them that they should ignore the hadith and modern rulings.

            I defend your constitutional rights, but not your right to hide from the implications of your publicly stated beliefs. That latter right does not exist in US law.

          • US Muslim

            "I defend your constitutional rights, but not your right to hide from the implications of your publicly stated beliefs"
            Thanks. That will not deter me in the least, though. There was a time in the history of this country when Catholics were shunned, in spite of the 1st Amendment. But we're still evolving as a nation.

            I have attacked the ideology of the extremists among Muslims and have been called a liar and a "false Muslim" not only by the fundamentalists among Muslims but also by the likes of you. I never relied on CAIR for anything, and I don't need people ripping into my religion. All I need to do is believe in God and act according to His will. I know I'm on the right track. And being a loyal American is just a small part of it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No you have covered for and denied the activities of the militants.
            You have been a hack and a lying shill trying to pretend islam is what it cannot be, and then personally attacked everyone that called you on it. You're on the wrong track and pretending it's not the barbaric forced style of life doesn't make it anything other than what it is.

            You're loyal only to sharia and your talking points here show it.

          • patriothere

            You have covered for and denied the activities of the terrorists that murder and enslave in the name of god. You're a hypocrite and a troll.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why would I deny what muslim militants do?

          • patriothere

            Why don't you tell the truth that all religions and races have terrorists?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Because not all do.

            Islam? They do.

          • patriothere

            Yes they do. Anders breivik, timothy mcveigh, the IRA, the vatican, kahanes group, baruch goldstein. etc.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And they did it while not following the teachings of Christ and not being active in their churches.So, you would call them apostates. But Christians don't play that game. It's not something we would stone a person for.Ask your handlers about 'personal choice'.

          • defcon 4

            I don't seem to notice you have any problems w/the fact blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws are enforced in all your islamo-nazi states Mehmet, because they're all part and parcel of Sharia law, which kinda makes islam incompatible w/freedom, liberty and equality.

          • US Muslim

            "I don't seem to notice you have any problems w/the fact blasphemy, heresy and apostasy laws are enforced in all your islamo-nazi states"
            FYI, yes I do…very much so. Happy? Now suck it up.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And still you defend islam.

            Now suck it up yourself.

          • defcon 4

            If there are any "dissidents" they sure as hell don't have any problems w/the persecution and enslavement of the filthy kufar.

          • US Muslim

            Then why would they be dissidents to begin with? You're not making any sense here.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're right. The militant activists in islam are not dissidents, they are the ones actually following the teachings of koran.

            You accidentally told the truth for once. It must be humiliating for you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So, you're agains the Saudi Royal house.

            What part of Iran are you from? The real Iran, or just a financially dependent terrorist controlled territory?

          • US Muslim

            I don't like the Iranian govt. Khomeini was a jackass. The last elections there were a total sham. Their govt deserves to be overthrown.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            How brave of you to complain from the safety you have here.

            Like a cat spitting at a huge dog from the other side of a window.

          • US Muslim

            Little Roger is never happy. If I support the fundies, I'm a terrorist. If I bash them, I'm being a coward.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're muslim.

            You lie to cover for the activists and pretend you can be peaceful.

            You nigerians, if it's not one scam it's another. Thankfully not all of you are islamic yet.

          • patriothere

            You're a troll and a terrorist.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't advocate violence outside of self defense.
            And I'm not the admitted troll.

            You are.
            Do your handlers pay you extra to lie so outrageously?

          • US Muslim

            Jackass

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why? I don't play your game by the trista parsi approved rules of conduct?

          • patriothere

            Who's Trista Parsi?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Ask your handlers.

          • patriothere

            You are a troll because you act like a troll.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you're a troll because your'e paid to come here and stop all debate and discussion.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • defcon 4

            All you are is a pathological liar.

          • US Muslim

            You're a lying fool.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You beat him too it.

            Oh come on, you're running out of insults and lies.
            Didn't they teach you better than this back in Nigeria?

            Let's see… hmmm… how about you hate all the bad things islam does but defend it because islam isn't about doing bad things? Nope, you tried that one already. Too bad.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "There is a long-overdue war going on against Muslim extremists and the West didn't start it. But it has been going on for a lot longer, and the West has, from time to time, actually sided with the Jihadists."

            That's because for a long time, historians and cultural elites felt pity for the Turkish empire and thought a little self-esteem boost might help. Later leftists used these pathetic efforts to undermine classic liberal democracy and capitalism. Once all of the myths about "Western aggression" had been spread, the jihadis started to teach these lies as facts. And they added their own as well.

            There are many leftists who pity Muslims because of evolutionary theory. They want to use Muslims to help undermine or destroy those who believe in the Hebrew prophets (Christians and Jews) and then they assume they will be able to control or destroy the Muslims once their genetic peers are out of the way. That's their theory, not mine.

            I think it's all about competing and conflicting ideologies and cultures. The only way to bring peace is to focus on objective facts and destroy ideologies that lead to conflict by using the most salient facts according to circumstances.

            "I have been against the Jihadists ever since I earned during my early teen years that they are a bunch of low-life, arrogant, bloodthirsty hypocrites."

            That's great. Really. Now how do they justify their actions? How sure are you that they are not following Mohammed more closely than you are?

          • US Muslim

            I'm following Muhammad more closely than they are. The Jihadists are madmen and use selective texts from the Qur'an and Sunna, completely taken out of context, to justify their actions.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I'm following Muhammad more closely than they are."

            Well, your Mohammed is not very widely known as far as I can tell. That's the problem.

            "The Jihadists are madmen and use selective texts from the Qur'an and Sunna, completely taken out of context, to justify their actions."

            I don't accept any of the texts, so you won't have me turning in to a terrorist, How about we try to convince other Muslims? Put together all of your best evidence and we'll see if it's worth getting behind. I like your ideas as stated here, but I'm skeptical. I've heard it before.

          • US Muslim

            The first time Muslims fled Mecca, the went to Abyssinia (Ethiopia), a Christian kingdom. When the Meccans sent emissaries to bring them back, the king there upon hearing the side of the Muslims, refused to send them back.

            All the while the Muslims who had sought refuge in Abyssinia kept a low profile and didn't interfere in the king's friendship with the Meccan leadership. There was no terrorism, no bloodshed, no protests. As long as they were left alone to practice Islam, they didn't cause any trouble for Abyssinia.

            After the Muslims triumphed in Arabia, their friendship with Abyssinia remained strong. Abyssinia remained untouched by Arab/Muslim conquests and retained its independence until Italian Fascists bombed the place with poison gas between WWI and WWII.

            This is a strong lesson that a lot of Muslims seem to completely ignore. The extremists play the part of a wolf trying to make up excuses to a lamb for wanting to eat it up.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So muslims are two faced back stabbing forgetful folks that don't remember things. I got that. So did Daniel Pearl.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Jody

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Some lady in the west coast that has the same surname.This may a shock to you, but any woman that marries anyone with that common surname isn't related to me.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            But you still haven't said you don't know her.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I don't provide information on my private life to the troll who is sexually deviant and wants my head in a basket so you can fornicate with my dead eyes.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            See, you can't say you don't know her. Exposed again. Going back to your old, i don't give out personal information excuse, just like you do when exposed about having no girlfriend.
            http://www.mylife.com/c-2221835979

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            When you say things like this:

            20 minutes ago @ http://912wolverines.com/ – growl · 3 replies · 0 points
            "Having your head in a basket would make everyone here pleased.

            And we would keep your head in the basket until your girlfriend came to get you.

            It would dry up and be food for insects. The first time your head was ever used for something useful."

            Why would any sane person give you any personal information?

            You're a vile creature.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Resorting to your old ignore stance when exposed.

            Does Jody know your ID dashboard? She will soon.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The sexually deviant stalker hopes for a glimpse into my life. As if some woman on the west coast would help you stalk me? Yeah, good luck with that.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Some woman, happens to be some woman you know!!

            She will know about your stalking and goat sex fantasies very soon.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            The sexually devient stalker troll has another phony profile and thinks he can pressure me for personal information.

            Isn't it time for you bong hit?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            You are in ignore mode now. You were trying to pretend you didn't know her before with your Roger BS tactics, which you also use in all other debates, but I exposed you when I pointed out that you NEVER denied knowing her. HAHHAHAHAAHHAHAAHH!!!!!!

            Jody ask you about your OCD profile yet?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Is this what you do when you make a jerk of yourself and get caught lying about something as obvious as a historic Jesus not being violent in spite of all your muslim talking points?

            Shift to personal attacks and stalking again?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            I already won the Jesus debate, now it time to watch you try to lie out of not knowing Jody.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You didn't win jack. You didn't show Jesus ever used violence. You didn't show where He said His followers are to use violnce.

            You're just a bad loser. A lost all the same.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            I don't have to show Jesus showed violence because he SAID he not to bring peace, and also, you still won't deny knowing Jody because I am right about that also. HAHHAH loser virgin loses agin.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So you realize you can't show Jesus liked, wanted, advocated or used violence, ever.You can show He realized others would react to His ministry in a violent way. But you also can't show it is us.You lose. It's really simple.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            I can't show that Jesus usedviolence , I can only go by the word of Jesus that he did not come in peace, and used a showd.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You can't show it for the simple reason that you're wrong.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            I can't show it because I go by the word. You can't show Jesus didn't use a sword when he was 18.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You misquoted it then went from there, in typical muslim style.The truth really does bother you doesn't it? A peaceful Jesus that was victorious in spite of the violence thrown at Him.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            If you can't accept the word of Christ, then that's your problem. But he said he didn't come to bring peace.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You can't show it for a simple reason. You're wrong.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still the sexually deviant stalker prying, trying to get into my personal life.What a troll.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            You still will not say you don't know her. Which means you do.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you haven't denied having goats for sex. Does that mean you do?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            i don't have goats for sex. Funny how easy that was to say. Yet you can't say you don't know Jody. Hahahahaha!

            Expose virgin loser.
            http://www.mylife.com/c-2221835979

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And why would I tell you a thing?

            You're a deviant stalker.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            You won't. Because you already tried every Roger trick in the book to pretend you don't know her.

            The one thing you can't do is deny you know her. Nice MyLife profile.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you've tried every troll trick to get personal information about me.One thing you can't do is pretend you're sane or reasonable.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And you've tried every troll trick to get personal information about me.One thing you can't do is pretend you're sane or reasonable.

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            What trick? I pulled if off the internet and showed it to you.

            You and Jody are family. And she is going to get quite the shock when she sees your OCD stalking on ID.

          • onepornqueen
          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            These trolls just never learn.

            Isn't that the definition of 'insanity'?

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            Still never said she wasn't your family, winner.

            So we all now know she is. Even Kevin came to try to help you in your hour of need. He always comes around when you are on the ropes.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still never said how you want my head in a basket.

            You know you want personnel information about me. And you're the troll on the ropes.
            You don't even realize it.
            5 hours ago @ Frontpage Magazine – Islam’s World War Ca… · 1 reply · -1 points
            you can't beat me BECAUSE I am on weed, and you are not.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why don't you explain it some more. Just how would you chop my head off? Do you have a sword that you save for that kind of thing?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            So you're stalking me and trying to do what?
            Are you pretending that it will effect my comments in any way? You're not the chicago machine and you can't scare me into silence. Deal with it.

          • US Muslim

            Hypocrite

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why? What have I preached that I don't live up to?

            Am I stoning rape victims quietly on the side, or marrying goat brides after I mock them here?

          • onepornqueen
          • kafir4life

            And yet you come here instead of complaining to them. Typical islamic liar.

            Basically, it's all about where us infidels get our Islamic knowledge, and you think that you should tell us who to learn about your gutter cult from. Myself, everything I know about islam I learned from muslims, their words and their actions.

          • US Muslim

            You must have sought out people at your low level.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And not many muslims were that high.

            islam is it's own worst problem. Don't come here blaming us for your stupid.

          • US Muslim

            Deviant

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Speaking of deviant if you are comparing notes with alinsky off forum then you really ought to share that bong. It help you calm down a bit.

            You're just so stressed out, it's like your funding for propaganda might be impacted if you keep looking this foolish.

          • defcon 4

            After reading your mendacious excuses for MuhamMAD's slaughter, enslavement and forced deportation of all the Jews from Soddy Barbaria, my faith in your claim of being a "moderate" muslime is zero.

          • US Muslim

            And my belief that you have any intelligence at all has disappeared.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And our hope that you could have any rational debate has disappeared.

          • patriothere

            How can anybody debate with a psychopath such as yourself?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Just don't expect to win, ever.
            You would need to come to the debate armed with facts and logic. As a rented mouth your handers have neither.

          • US Muslim

            Basement rat

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Like Johnny Lind Walker the jihad johnny guy?

            Nope. And my living arrangements what ever they may or may not be don't make your lies about islam any less lies.

          • patriothere

            What about your lies about Islam? You lie about Islam for a living.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            What lies? It's a forced system of life from the barbaric 8th century founded by a pedophile that married a 6 year old little girl.

            What part of that is a lie exactly?

            Get your handlers, that was for them.

          • patriothere

            All of them. You lie about them being terrorists. You lie about islam being a violent religion and forced system of life.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Do I? Of course not. You're a muslim troll, you are just a rented mouth saying what your handlers tell you to say.

          • patriothere

            So you admit that you are a psychopath. All you need to do now is admit that you are a troll.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I admit you're paid hack troll here to stop debate.

            6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
            I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.

          • patriothere

            You need to admit that you are a troll.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Like you? I"m not.

            You need to admit you need psychiatric medication.

          • onecornpone

            Music to soothe the savage Muzzie (please excuse the redundancy):
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d40-uE6_qm4

          • defcon 4

            Bukhari:V4B52N177
            "Allah's Apostle said, ‘You Muslims will fight the Jews till some of them hide behind stones. The stones will betray them saying, "O Abdullah (slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him."'"

            Ishaq:441
            "Allah's Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."'"

            In Sahih Muslim: Book 041, Number 6985:
            Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Do you realize that it was the Meccan pagans who had driven the Muslims out of their own homes through acts of violence, and then stole everything that the Muslims left behind? "

            It's always self-defense. Always. We've been down this road before. The Boston bombers were also defending themselves according to Mo.

          • US Muslim

            That's a lie and a false analogy and you know it. The Muslims at Mecca just wished to be left alone to practice their religion peacefully and to preach it without being molested, but the pagans refused to leave them alone. The Boston bombers, on the other hand, were a couple of brainwashed, drug-addicted losers who were searching for grievances.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "The Muslims at Mecca just wished to be left alone to practice their religion peacefully and to preach it without being molested, but the pagans refused to leave them alone."

            Why don't you articulate the reasons and supporting evidence for your position. I'm all ears.

            "The Boston bombers, on the other hand, were a couple of brainwashed, drug-addicted losers who were searching for grievances."

            Who followed Islamic ideology.

          • US Muslim

            "Why don't you articulate the reasons and supporting evidence for your position. I'm all ears."
            Just pick up any book written by Martin Lings, Montgomery Watt or Stephen Suleiman Schwartz on the topic.

            "…Who followed Islamic ideology."
            No, they didn't.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "No, they didn't."

            I'm afraid there are too many Muslims who can come up with evidence that suggests they did. What do we do about that? I don't think any of it's true so it's sort of moot what the "real" Mohammed was like. It's what people believe and are inspired to do.

            What galls me is that the evidence is so weak, how can anyone take a life over such weak arguments? There is a lot of brainwashing going on and it includes a lot of traditional Islamic texts.

            I actually think that what we need in the United States is a ruling about where specifically the line is drawn between personal faith and conspiring against the constitution. It seems that too many people have radical ideas about what religious liberties are supposed to allow. People get away too easily with conspiring against the constitution. And politicians have turned in to butt-lickers of very shady jihad supporters. This does not even mention the 0'Bama support of the Muslim Brotherhood.

            So we have a lot of problems and if you're part of the solution and want to work with us, you need to be a lot more realistic about acknowledging problems among the followers of Mohammed in the world today. If you want to defend people or groups, do so after acknowledging that you understand our concerns. You'll get better results.

          • US Muslim

            I will only work with people who don't work against me. You wouldn't work with people who would work against you, would you?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            As a muslim you can't.

            So you want to take over the world. Another honest slip.

          • patriothere

            jews want to take over the world.

            We beg Thee, O Lord, indict Thy wrath on the nations not believing in Thee, and not calling on
            Thy name. Let down Thy wrath on them and inflict them with Thy wrath. Drive them away in
            Thy wrath and crush them into pieces. Take away, O Lord, all bone from them. In a moment
            indict all disbelievers. Destroy in a moment all foes of Thy nation. Draw out with the root,
            disperse and ruin unworthy nations. Destroy them! Destroy them immediately, in this very
            moment!
            Prayer said on the eve of Passover
            (Pranajtis: Christianus in Talmudae Judeorum, quotations
            from: Synagoga Judaica)

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Christians just want to explain their religion to the world.They think that their relationship with God is so attractive if people are offered that choice they will be curious.islam? Convert or die.

          • US Muslim

            Medieval serf

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're the 8th century serf.

            Do you think as an african if you went to mecca they'd treat you with any respect? It isn't going to happen, the arabs are more racist than anyone else.

          • patriothere

            There is no difference between Islam and christianity. They are cut from the same cloth.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course there is.

            Are you going to deny you think goat marriages are universally accepted? Come on, don't back down on that one!

          • patriothere

            There is no difference.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Oh, that's another great quote you're going to be seeing a lot of!You just don't understand how your handlers leave you hanging on these things!

          • defcon 4

            "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"
            Bukhari 4,55,547

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I will only work with people who don't work against me. You wouldn't work with people who would work against you, would you?"

            For me it's not personal. I'm interested in true facts that are useful towards clarifying important history that feeds ideology. That's what I find most useful.

            Debunking lies can save lives when those lies are used to to justify murder and mayhem.

          • US Muslim

            "I'm interested in true facts that are useful towards clarifying important history that feeds ideology."
            Want an answer? Islam is like fire. I will not claim it to be a religion of peace any more than it is a religion of war. I see it as a natural religion, a religion of truth, a religion of balance…THE true religion…you may not believe this, but I do.

            And like fire, it can be misused and abused. It can be used to advance political goals that are in conflict with what I consider to be Islamic. As a Muslim, I strongly believe in freedom of conscience. I do not believe in converting anyone by force, or in accepting Islam blindly. And if anyone wishes to leave Islam, that decision is between him/her and God and should not be considered to be a crime in any way.

            The Islamic fundies are fueled by a false ideology based on selective interpretations of Qur'anic passages and highly questionable Hadiths. Many of them delve into utter falsehoods in order to justify their actions. In my view, they do far greater harm to Islam and Muslims than all of the non-Muslim world put together.

            Bangladesh fought a war against Pakistan back in 1971 and won with the help of India. The Pakistan Armed Forces launched a campaign of mass murder, loot and rape against the native of what was until then known as East Pakistan. They were backed up by Islamic fundamentalists who were, in many cases, worse than the regular army units. Their weapons were primarily supplied by…the ChiComs and the US Government, courtesy of Pres. Nixon and Sec. of State Henry Kissinger.

          • US Muslim

            The Bangladeshi govt that took over after the war was over was, in many cases, unable to resist the pressure exerted on them by Pres. Nixon and his administration to NOT try these war criminals.

            A number of these war criminals made it to western countries like the USA, Canada and the UK. Those that made it here are living freely along the east coast, especially in NYC. They are not loyal to the USA; a number of them have started up "anti-war" movements and preach in mosques in NYC.

            Wanna know why I don't talk to them? It's useless to. I don't talk to people I'm at war with…they're also at war with YOU. And you want me to work with you? Then help me get these b@stards out of my country. But if you lump me along with them because they call themselves Muslims, then you're on your own and would be a hindrance to my efforts to rid my adopted country of such imported filth.

            You need to ask yourself this: How the hell did they get in here? It's not that no one knew what they had done in the past. They knew full well in the State Department. Remember the Blind Sheikh? He spent time in jail in Egypt for delivering the fatwa for assassinating Anwar Sadat for daring to make peace with Israel.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still lying?
            Come on, you know as well as everyone else that he was right. Why even deny it? You muslim cowards just won't man up and admit to what you're doing. What's wrong? Big enough to have jihad but not big enough to 'fess up to it?

          • US Muslim

            'shroom eater

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No thanks, and this isn't the diet channel.

            Come on, you can do better than that! Didn't they teach you anything as you clawed your way out of the nigerian slums?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Want an answer? Islam is like fire. I will not claim it to be a religion of peace any more than it is a religion of war. I see it as a natural religion, a religion of truth, a religion of balance…THE true religion…you may not believe this, but I do. "

            That's a very important position to take. That's a huge step in the right direction if your candor would become the standard teaching. It's not. We're told here in the West that we must treat Islam and Mosques as precisely equal to any other religion, which means we must apply the same assumptions to Islam that we make about Christianity, that it can be moderate and used to make peace treaties supportive of secular democracy.

            The simple fact that there is no support for separation of religion and state creates a huge distinction between Christianity and Islam. This is denied by nearly all leaders with any significant reach in the mainstream press and in political offices. This leads to bad decisions, like purging training manuals of mention of Islam AS IF THERE IS NOTHING TO DISTINGUISH IT FROM CHRISTIANITY.

            This doctrine of 0'Bama's has led to more conflict here in the USA and eventually is going to lead to bigger wars by enabling radical jihadis.

            Actually teaching the distinctions between Christianity and Islam will lead to an easier life for you and an easier path to teach what you see as the truth. It's easier to defend each of your personal beliefs once you dispose of the concern that you're trying to reinforce lies perpetuated about Islam.

            We don't care about Hiduism not because we believe it is true, but because we don't see it being used to organize people who want to destroy the West. If you or any other peaceful Muslim wants to get respect from non-believers the first thing you need to do is to expose the dangerous truth and the inconvenient facts. People will then trust you and you might understand that when people don't want to extend the same "rights" to mosques that they do to churches it has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with recognizing that there are valid reasons to suspect that statistically mosques are dangerous to the US constitution.

            Once we all having honest conversations about true distinctions, we can probably come up with compromises that we can all happily live with except for the jihadis.

            You might actually find that Christians and Jews make much better allies than the jihadis in protecting your religious liberties.

          • US Muslim

            "You might actually find that Christians and Jews make much better allies than the jihadis in protecting your religious liberties."
            When did I ever claim that Jihadis were my allies in anything? The generation before mine fought a bloody, 9-month war against Jihadis…people that he US and ChiComs armed indirectly back in 1971 (on the other hand, Israel sided with us, for which I am deeply grateful). I've been fighting against them long before you have, at times when the West sought to make allies out of them. It was people like myself who were warning YOU not to see them as friends. Back in the 1980s I thought that the USA was out of its mind when Reagan gave aid to the Afghan Mujahideen. I knew that they would come back to bite the US in the future…I used to listen to how much Islamists hated the West ALL THE TIME!!!

            So please spare me your lectures. I'm WAAAAY ahead of you on this one. As an American and a Muslim who has traveled and studied widely, I know who our friends are and who our enemies are.

            And the dumbest thing that the USA has done is allow proven Jihadis with long records to enter the USA and settle here. I , on the other hand, was investigated by the State Department for 3-5 WEEKS before I was issued a student visa back in 1990. They came up empty on me, of course.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You have claimed to be muslim.

            And you're not ahead of anyone on anything.

          • kafir4life

            Yes, they did muslim.

            Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'"
            Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
            Qur'an:8:57 "If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned."
            Ishaq:326 "If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah's enemies."
            Qur'an:8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land."
            Ishaq:588 "When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves."

          • US Muslim

            Unlike you, my worldview doesn't fit into a small handful of sentences.

            Simpleton.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Actually as a muslim it does.

            Convert or conquest.

          • patriothere

            Evangelize. That's what christians do. All over the world. It's historical record.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, and I'm proud to be a part of that.islam, covert or die.

          • US Muslim

            Failed missionary

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Am I? As a muslim your standards for missions and mine are totally different things.

            You're not qualified to make that call.

          • patriothere

            christiantiy convert or die.

            It's part of the historical record.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Yes, and a reformation bright it back to the teachings of Christ.

            If you had a reformation in islam it would be even more barbaric to comply with the literal teachings of mohammed.

          • patriothere

            Learn to type english.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Learn to actually debate and discuss.

          • patriothere

            That doesn't make any sense at all. If there was a reformation in Islam like there was in Christianity/Communism then Islam would be even MORE peaceful than it is now.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "If there was a reformation in Islam like there was in Christianity…"

            If Mars was shaped like a triangle…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "like there was in Christianity/Communism…"

            What is Christianity/Communism? Can I even hope for a straight answer?

            "Islam would be even MORE peaceful than it is now."

            I see. Writing from Bizarro World.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Tell your handlers to try making sense next time. They're making you look even more stupid, (something I didn't think possible).

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "christiantiy convert or die. It's part of the historical record."

            Christianity was founded nearly 2000 years ago. You're belief is that coerced belief is a significant part of that history? It's significant because many people in the West fought to prove it isn't supported by Christian ideology.

      • Defcon 4

        But doesn't the holey quran tell us not to take Christians and Jews as friends?

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          Surah 9:23 does.
          9:23 O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.

        • US Muslim

          One verse does mention this, but then again, that only applies to certain situations in certain times with certain individuals. The Qur'an also forbids fighting against those who don't wage wars against us.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            And is talking to unbelievers to cover for islam that certain situation?

            Yes, it is. So, everything you say here applies to al taqiyya.

          • US Muslim

            Please outline the rules of Taqiyya as stated in the Qur'an, Roger. I'm not aware of them, so please educate me in this regard.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Please outline the rules of islam that tell followers to ignore all hadiths.

          • US Muslim

            I asked you first. Go ahead.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I asked you first. Go ahead."

            I published URLs at least 4 times already. If you still can't find them, go to my comment stream since that might be easier than finding them here. Or look in your email notifications if you get them when someone replies to you.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            He has no emails. He's a guest so no one can track his comments.

            He's a stealth jihadist of the blogs!

          • US Muslim

            Oh, Roger, I do get email notifications from this forum. Sorry to blow your reality out of the water…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Then why do you post as a guest?

            Sorry to blow your reality, but if you get notifications it's because you're following people but not as a guest. You would have to have multiple profiles.

            How does it feel to out yourself as a troll with multiple profiles?

          • onepornqueen

            Isn't that essentially the same thing as taqiyya?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            I would think so, by definition.

          • US Muslim

            That would be you, Roger. You are one big Taqiyya…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Still the angry small child trying to keep up with the big people in the room?

            It's not working. So, are you going to mecca to push for the reform the barbaric islamic forced style of life needs in order to be the idyllic system you pretend it is?

          • patriothere

            Are you going to use more kol nidre?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Why? Our taxes are collected in a more fair manner than the Babylonian tax collectors.

          • patriothere

            Kol nidre is telling god that every agreement they make with another person will be void. It's real. Not unlike this taqiyya you keep talking about.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No it's not. It was a tactic to avoid double taxation.

            And since Babylonian tax collectors aren't around you just can't stand being made a fool of.

          • patriothere

            Al taqiyya was a tactic to avoid double taxation. Kol nidre is to lie to be a jew.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            No, it was used by the Sunni and the Shiites when they were being oppressed by other muslims and then it spread for wider use.You really do have dumb handlers.

          • US Muslim

            You seem to love taqiyya…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course not.
            That's why we toy with you as we expose the lies here.

          • patriothere

            You like kol nidre. It's the same as this taqiyya you talk about. Kol nidre exists though.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Kol nidre was to avoid unfair taxes.al taqiyya is to lie to be a muslim.

          • US Muslim

            Rat

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Are you half goat, was this the story of your parent's romance?
            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4748292.stm

          • patriothere

            Al taqiyya was to avoid unfair taxes.

            kol nidre is to lie to be a jew.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You're so lame, tell your handlers you want to be fired.

          • patriothere

            Facts are not your friends.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Of course they are. You wouldn't know since you haven't ever met any face to face.

          • US Muslim

            I don't have multiple profiles here. Takes too much time to address…

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You have very little going for you it seems.
            And if we believed a single word you put out, that still wouldn't be one of the ones I'd take seriously.

          • US Muslim

            Leach

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Oh look, the little lying muslim troll is trying to insult me.

            Coming from the kind of guy that defends the violence and pretends it's just a fringe that always seems to have one thing in common (islam) it's funny how you can type and not laugh so hard you fall off your chair when you lie like that.

          • US Muslim

            Those URLs were authored by people who selected verses and took them out of context. No surprise there.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Those URLs were authored by people who selected verses and took them out of context. No surprise there."

            You can submit your arguments to wikipedia and try to get your views published. Argue with them, not me. Muslims are very active on wikipedia and it's doubtful anything on there would be considered controversial among the majority of English-speaking Muslims.

            You really need to work on convincing other Muslims how to interpret the texts. Non-believers reject the texts as inventions and plagiarism.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Please outline the rules of Taqiyya as stated in the Qur'an, Roger. I'm not aware of them, so please educate me in this regard."

            http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiy

          • Defcon 4

            Those certain times being when muslimes are busily killing and enslaving them right?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "You are a liar, plain and simple. You try to make intellectual arguments that support your views, but the FACTS are not on your side. And I know history…it's one of my many passions, along with science, politics and geology."

        I know BS and you are full of it. Show us your claims and supporting evidence. Trust me that most of us have heard it before and can then teach you correctly. Then we'll see how honest you are.

        • defcon 4

          Considering you gave this muslime every benefit of the doubt and actually attempted to have a meaningful debate w/him, his credibility is now nil.

      • aspacia

        Again, you have not refuted one of cfk_sd's claims, just used ad hom attacks.

        You are the fool Musliman.

      • Gabrielle

        If you claim to know history and still write a post such as the one above I think you need to read something a little more balanced than Islamic propaganda.

        And saying "some of my best friends are…" really doesn't mean much anymore.

    • defcon 4

      "He went there only to steal their wealth, and tortured and killed that tribe’s leader in order to obtain it. " Did this torture consist of lighting a fire on the man's bare chest? I seem to remember the holey prophet doing something like to someone in order to find out where their loot was.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Wow? A "prophet" torturing people?

        How "Peaceful" and "Enlightened".

  • cfk_sd

    Sara,

    I think you miss the point of the article. Nowhere did it say we should judge all Muslims according to the violent and totalitarian theology that Islam advocates, or that anyone should be lumped into a group and judged as part of that group. The article is simply saying that the original Islam, as practiced by Muhammad himself and as written in the Qu'ran, advocates violence against and subjugation of nonbelievers, and that Muslims living today that DO engage in that kind of behavior should not be sheltered behind the terminology we use to refer to other, peaceful Muslims who do not engage in that kind of behavior.

    Also, regarding Muhammad being on this earth 1400 years ago, you would have a valid point if we were merely judging the behavior of a historical figure and comparing it to the norms of the time. In this case, his actions are taught to Muslims to be the correct and normative behavior FOR ALL TIME. Against that standard, we must conclude that his behavior was violent, totalitarian, and completely inappropriate for any moral member of modern society to emulate.

    • aspacia

      Sara,

      Then why had Jews stopped owning slave by this time.

      Face it, Mo was a very bad man in contrast to Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, et al.

  • marios

    Out of Koran:
    "Wage war on the infidel and kill them until Islam is dominant” (Koran 8:39)
    "War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not." 2:216
    …and subjugate the People of the book under the rule of Islamic law. Q. 9:29
    Sheik Feiz Mohammed, a Sydney native :
    “We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid [holy warrior].”
    Mohhamed said "he has been made victorious by terror "- it says it all about them and their cult!!Muslims are obliged to use taqyiia (deception) to fool infidels and promote Islam.
    Don't trust them ever!

  • Fred

    "Nowhere did it say we should judge all Muslims according to the violent and totalitarian theology that Islam advocates, or that anyone should be lumped into a group and judged as part of that group"

    Ok I'll say it. Any person that claims to be a member of a group that openly claims doing evil is actually a virtue be that group the KKK, the NAZIs, any Comminist party, or being a Muslim is an evil person. Any person that claims to be a Muslim is an evil person because Islam promotes evil. Yes, we should judge and condemn ALL Muslims because if what Islam is. Can there really be a good Muslim? Good defined by Western post-enlightenment Judeo-Christian values?

    • defcon 4

      Well, Hitler admired muslimes and Islam, so there you go!

    • aspacia

      Careful Fred,

      The main point is that Christians and Jews no longer adhere to the earlier violent tenets of the Torah, but a billion Muslims do, and we are threatened by these violent Muslims.

    • Tallulahdahling

      Yes, there are plenty of good "Muslims" because there are plenty of Muslims who cherry pick, who have never read the Koran or the Hadith, who are "cultural" Muslims or "secular" Muslims. These are people who want to live in the modern world, and have a kind of "Ataturk" version of Islam. These people think that Mohammad did his warring in order to protect Muslims from persecutors who wanted to kill them, and have never gone to the trouble of reading their own basic texts, but just believe what it's comfortable to believe. The jihadi Muslims may not consider these people to be true Muslims, but the cultural Muslims themselves see themselves as Muslim.

      My husband and I had a couple of Turks who shared our house for a time. They ate ham, drank wine, and I never saw them pray. They didn't go to Mosque. And neither had read the Koran, except for bits and pieces. I knew more about their holy books than they did. They called themselves "secular Muslims". (In other words, they weren't really Muslims. But they didn't see it that way.)

  • cfk_sd

    Fred,

    I understand your point, and I would agree with you if we could assume that a) every Muslim is one because of their own free choosing, and b) every Muslim engages in the kinds of behaviors that makes the group evil, and c) every Muslim understands and accepts the ideology of the group. I, for one, do not believe that all Muslims meet these criteria. Some are Muslims by virtue of their birth and upbringing, and in some countries at least, would be subject to severe punishment or death if they were to renounce Islam. Others simply don't bother to know what their true religion teaches, and just practice and believe in the parts that they do know about, which may not be evil or violent at all. Many Muslims, including some I know personally, live their lives in a way that is completely un-Muslim-like in terms of the actual religion, but still call themselves Muslim. This self-labeling doesn't just apply to Muslims: some truly evil people call themselves Christian, though their words and deeds don't in any way line up with the beliefs of Christianity.

    So, I think we should act according to what people say and do, not according to the label they choose to give themselves. Someone who behaves like Muhammad should be stopped, regardless of whether or not he or she chooses to attach the label "Muslim" to him or herself. Someone who lives a peaceful and just life should not be condemned just because they use that label for themselves, either.

    • Drakken

      It is not going to matter soon enough, islam will drive us to war and when that happens us inidels are not going to take the time to ask if the muslim is peaceful or not, for it isn't going to matter, they will all by virtue of being muslim be held to account, see the Serbs for reference.

      • defcon 4

        Among the first to go should be the collaborators, the traitors who have betrayed their oaths to uphold the Constitution in deference to islamofascist petrodollars.

    • aspacia

      cfk_sd.

      I tend to agree. There are violent tenet is the Old Testament, but currently most Jews and Christians do not follow the tenet to stone, etc.

  • Heather Brown

    I am reminded of an Aaron Sorkin quote from “The West Wing:”. Islamic extremists are to Islam what the Ku Klux Klan is to Christianity…

    • Drakken

      Wrong, islam is islam and it will have to be dealt with extreme prejudice.

    • defcon 4

      The Ku Klux Klan is an irrelevant nothing in the 21st century. The only group burning and blowing up black churches in the 21st century are muslimes. The sum total of all those murdered by the KKK is nothing in comparison to the slaughter muslimes have committed in the 21st century ALONE.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "I am reminded of an Aaron Sorkin quote from “The West Wing:”. Islamic extremists are to Islam what the Ku Klux Klan is to Christianity…"

      And it's a big fat leftist lie.

    • aspacia

      Most Christians condemned the Klan, when have you ever heard a Muslim condemn Mad mo or Islam.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

        Not with a straight face – or a suicide vest standing next to them.

        • aspacia

          My point is that most Christians damn those who are violent in the name of Christ; Few Muslims do except Jasser.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            Christians condemn the violent, it was Christians that stopped Christians from bombing in Ireland.

            It just is done low key and with restoration to Christian standards in mind.

          • RidiculeForRoger

            Roger!
            Quick!

            Write one more post. Even just a keystroke.

            That will put you at 130,000 posts.

            Maybe DSeuce will have a surprise party for you tomorrow at the Yellow Submarine. Mayby there will be gifts, and cake, and blow up sheep.

            Who knows, maybe you will even get a Card from Intense Debate……….

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            You really think it's the number of comments that matters?

            They why do you keep ditching you own failed profiles?

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "I am reminded of an Aaron Sorkin quote from “The West Wing:”. Islamic extremists are to Islam what the Ku Klux Klan is to Christianity…"

      I am reminded how much our country has paid because of people who foolishly try to learn about politics and history from fiction.

  • festus magill

    Sara, you are dinenately a muslim LIAR!

  • guest

    Call it Mohammedanism. The musulmans want you to call it islam because the connotation of calling it Mohammedanism is that it was made up by mohammed. Which it was.

  • DutchCC

    @Mary Sue,

    I believe moderate Muslims – i.e. those who don't believe or adhere to concepts of 'Sharia' , 'Jihad', Jew-
    hatred etc are called MINO's or Muslims In Name Only.

    Although those muslims exist they are hard to find, let alone hear their criticism expressed publicly.

    ON-TOPIC
    I totally agree with mr. Fawstin's piece.

  • Stephanie

    Excellent article, Bosch Getting the facts straight on Islam is an important first step towards recognizing that they have declared war on us and intend to subjugate us by any means necessary.

  • Smitty

    "Islam is a political religion; the idea of a separation of Mosque and State is unheard of in the Muslim world."

    Now I'm really confused. If this sentence is true, it means that all 3 million Muslims in the United States must by inference be political, and political enough to steadfastly adhere to the religious tenets that advocate violent action against infidels. So…..do we automatically group all Muslims in the anti-infidel so-called "hate" category? The author seems to say so. Should I erase all trust in Joe Muslim who lives down the street, obeys all U.S. laws, pays his taxes and is in essence a good citizen?

    Mind you, I am not necessarily defending members of Islam, but am after clarification only.

    • http://twitter.com/BoschFawstin @BoschFawstin
    • VirginiaSteve

      Yes, Smitty, you now understand that for a devout Muslim, there is NO allegiance to the United States.

      His religion comes first, and any imam ( Muslim cleric ) can activate any Muslim in America to jihad violence.

      That is probably what happened with the older brother in Boston. "Central Control" somewhere in the Mid-East gave the signal to a Boston mosque — " Let's go with an attack ".

      PRESTO — the bombs were made, 3 people died and hundreds will have their lives changed with misery for decades.

      And, doncha know — that "Let's go with an attack " might happen in ANY city or town. THIS IS THE REALITY THAT ISLAM LEADS TO.

  • Philippa Chapman

    The Koran says this,
    Nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, “We are Christians”: Because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant (5:85 AYA/82 MP).
    Of Jews and Christians,
    Say: “O People of the Book! Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord” (5:71 AYA/68 MP)
    This about Jesus,
    And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: Quran sura 5, (Al-Ma’ida), ayah 46-47[

    Also, there are many varieties of Islam, e.g Sufi, Sunni, Wahabi, etc, etc

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      His last word, his final word other than one last short surah was this one.

      9:23 O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.

      • defcon 4

        (Quran 5:49-51) O YOU WHO BELIEVE! DO NOT TAKE THE JEWS AND THE CHRISTIANS FOR FRIENDS; THEY ARE FRIENDS OF EACH OTHER; AND WHOEVER AMONGST YOU TAKES THEM FOR A FRIEND, THEN SURELY HE IS ONE OF THEM; SURELY ALLAH DOES NOT GUIDE THE UNJUST PEOPLE.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      They are not considered "true Christians" or "true Jews" unless they submit to the Koran. You're just confused by the superficial explanations. According to Islam, all prophets were Muslim. If you deny this, you can't be Christian, Jewish or Muslim.

      K? They don't accept self-identity and all of those other Western values. You're trying to understand Islam through superficial and naive Western analysis.

  • Mary

    All of this is so wrong and apperantly is written with bad intentions that I'm not even gonna bother trying to correct these "facts". Geez, anybody is a writer these days…

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      That comment is wrong and written with questionable intentions. I'm not even going to bother mocking you with facts. Geez, anybody is a critic these days…

    • Mary Sue

      Yet you don't even bother to back up your assertions.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Mary, How about ONE fact that is wrong?

  • Glennd1

    This is such a superficial history of Islam. I'll just focus on one aspect of Islam that I found valuable to understand. Mr. Fawstin blithely asserts that Islam is a political ideology, and that politics and Islam are inseparable but doesn't tell you why. Mohammed was the first leader to ever unite the Arab tribes. His conquests were bloody but they were also bloody times.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not an apologists for the Jihadis, Islamists, Salafists – but I do believe there are more than a few secular Muslims who don't adhere to that. So, I don't mind distinguishing. I have no problem pointing ou the history and quoting scripture, but there is much more to Islam than just the Koran. It has been a driving force in those societies for 1300 years, and the history is complex. There have been times and sects of moderation. We are not in a moderating phase, I agree. But I think the level of hysteria projected by this article and the reduction of Islam to just its bloodymindedness is very damaging to our analysis of what's what.

    Our opposition thinks we are just as evil as we do them. Let me ask this author what he wants us to do? What would victory over Islam be to him?

    • Rose Lake
    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Don't get me wrong, I'm not an apologists for the Jihadis, Islamists, Salafists – but I do believe there are more than a few secular Muslims who don't adhere to that. So, I don't mind distinguishing. I have no p
      problem pointing ou the history and quoting scripture, but there is much more to Islam than just the Koran."

      You're not wrong but we have a problem today with people exploiting the ignorance. We're pointing out the most dangerous fallacies and the ones used to exploit false assumptions people make today.

      Therefore our focus is not going to come across as politically correct or even complete in a forum such as this one.

      We're not condemning them as people collectively, though some times that is not clear when people are angry. And we are condemning their ideology because I'm afraid it's gotten too dangerous to ignore.

      The point is that the more we know about the true facts that are distorted and used to deceive us, the more we can impede the select few liars that are able to wreak havoc. Most Muslims are also victims of Islamic ideology. If that statement is true, then worrying about their feelings at this point is not the most compassionate thing to do for them. Not only this but we've got to contend with leftist liars who are using simple rhetoric that must be countered.

      Things are getting ugly and I don't feel culpable for that. I could be wrong, but I'll need to see some evidence.

      "Our opposition thinks we are just as evil as we do them. Let me ask this author what he wants us to do?"

      Speaking for myself, rectifying lies and placing urgency on the most harmful lies first. Worry about hugging them when the danger is clearly past. The root causes of these dangers come from ideology based on lies. Destroy the lies, then hug and kiss if you want. Get the order wrong and you fail.

      • defcon 4

        I condemn muslimes collectively, in the same way I condemn nazis collectively. They CHOSE to believe in the Jew hating, intolerant, violent, supremacist ideology of nazism-islam not me.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          I was thinking of the Christian reformation. People rebelled, risked their lives and died so their faith could be pure, based on the Scriptures (sola scripture) and the world was better for it.

          I would say that islam is undergoing a reformation of sorts. The radicals are insisting they live and act based on the koran and other teachings. But as we sadly realize, the world is not a better place for it.

          • defcon 4

            Islam and muslimes have had 1400 YEARS to reform their faith. If were to excerpt all the Jew hatred, jihad, intolerance, anti-Christian bigotry out of the koran and hadith what would be left? A two page pamphlet of platitudes?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "I condemn muslimes collectively, in the same way I condemn nazis collectively. They CHOSE to believe in the Jew hating, intolerant, violent, supremacist ideology of nazism-islam not me."

          Yes, when discussing ideology. But that doesn't mean you'll subvert due process or treat someone unjustly when you have a live person in front of you. We still treat them as individuals when our lives are not immediately threatened.

          Even known Nazi war criminals were given trials. Using broad statements when discussing ideology is not collectivism necessarily until you use those ideas to subvert individual rights to due process.

  • marios

    "Islam" in arabic means subjugation. Jihad is war against all infidels/ non-Muslims and have two form: violent (terror acts) and non-violent (spread demographically and infiltration and penetration to infidels country up to highest level of Power. Infidels country named "Dar Harb" in arabic country of war which means so far not under Islam rule and supposed to be conquered by Muslims.
    Muslims likes gullible people who refuse to open eyes and unplug deaf ears to see reality. Congrats Mary, they like you.

  • Howard Hyde

    Message received. As a practical matter, it's easy to see what the ramifications are for policy: zero tolerance for the encroachment of Sharia Law into our constitutional democracy, and for fuzzy-headed thinking in our homeland security and national defense. But what about personal, social and political relations? Should citizens shun every Muslim they meet until they renounce Islam? Should political parties, in particular the Republicans, purge themselves of all Muslim members? Many of us who 'get it' that Islam is Islam is Islam, nevertheless have friends who call themselves Muslim and might even believe in limited government, low taxes and individual liberty. Too bad, get out?
    It's more complicated at street level. Please advise.

  • trickyblain

    The impotent, hysterical hatred on this thread is strong.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "The impotent, hysterical hatred on this thread is strong."

      That's a useless subjective comment.

      • trickyblain

        Useless for an impotent hysterical hater. But not subjective. There are many examples of impotent hysterical hating from you, poor Rog, and the one and only "DRAKKEN" throughout this 400-plus thread. The best was when y'all were calling your religious beliefs "facts." It's actually very funny!

        Maybe take comfort, ofm, that you need the loosest-fitting straightjacket of said trio?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "The best was when y'all were calling your religious beliefs "facts." It's actually very funny!"

          It's funny when you get so lost in the conversation that you think you're the one that understands it all.

          Everything you said was either subjective or vague if not both. Then again, that's what we expect from you.

          So let's hear your stats behind that objective measurement of impotence and hysterical hatred (precisely how hysterical was that "12th degree hatred")?

          "The best was when y'all were calling your religious beliefs "facts." It's actually very funny! "

          I'm calling your bluff. Show me. Your ignorance proves nothing about anything but your limitations.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      So the outrage over the Boston Marathon bombing by a couple of islamofascist savages is wrong?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "So the outrage over the Boston Marathon bombing by a couple of islamofascist savages is wrong?"

        We're doing it wrong. We're supposed to lament that it wasn't done by "tea party" members…for the sake of unity and multicultural bliss…forward towards our ultimate leftist Utopian future.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

          If only we had all bowed to Obama sooner, none of this would be happening…(sarcasm)

          • Alinsky Hero USA

            If only we had all bowed to Obama sooner, none of this would be happening…(quote from an idiot virgin)

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

            If you're going to quote me, then quote me.

            "If only we had all bowed to Obama sooner, none of this would be happening…(sarcasm)"

            Better yet, do it with headers so people can find it. Like I do with yours.

            20 minutes ago @ http://912wolverines.com/ – growl · 3 replies · 0 points
            Having your head in a basket would make everyone here pleased.

            And we would keep your head in the basket until your girlfriend came to get you.

            It would dry up and be food for insects. The first time your head was ever used for something useful.

    • defcon 4

      I'll bet you don't find the rabid, pervasive Jew hatred found in all the holey books of islam offensive though do you Farid?

    • VirginiaSteve

      Actually, the inconvenient TRUTH on this thread is what is wonderfully strong !!!

      More and more persons are learning what the taqiya-spreading Islam deceivers are trying to conceal.

  • Supreme_Galooty

    Break out the CocoPops, Twickyblain rides again!!!

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNn2YflwNs Roger

      He sure did come to the rescue for usmuslim.

      It didn't work. And it was wasted effort, but they like 'symbolic' acts.

  • http://fawstin.blogspot.com/ Bosch_Fawstin

    For those trying to make this about Muslims. Here are my thoughts on that:

    First, my name is Bosch and I'm a recovered Muslim.

    There is Islam and there are Muslims. Muslims who take Islam seriously are at war with us and Muslims who don’t aren’t. But that doesn’t mean we should consider these reluctant Muslims allies against Jihad. I’ve been around Muslims my entire life and most of them truly don’t care about Islam. The problem I have with many of these essentially non-Muslim Muslims, especially in the middle of this war being waged on us by their more consistent co-religionists, is that they give the enemy cover. They force us to play a game of Muslim Roulette since we can’t tell which Muslim is going to blow himself up until he does. And their indifference about the evil being committed in the name of their religion is a big reason why their reputation is where it is.

    So while I understand that most Muslims are not at war with us, they’ve proven in their silence and inaction against jihad that they’re not on our side either, and there’s nothing we can say or do to change that. We just have to finally accept it and stop expecting them to come around, while doing our best to kill those who are trying to kill us.

    Another problem with Muslims who aren’t very Muslim is that they lead some among us to conclude that they must be practicing a more enlightened form of Islam. They’re not. They’re “practicing” life in non-Muslim countries, where they are free to live as they choose. But their “Islam” is not the Islam. There’s no separate ideology apart from Islam that’s being practiced by these Muslims in name only, there’s no such thing as “Western Islam”.

    Non-observant Muslims are not our problem, but neither are they the solution to our problem. Our problem is Islam and its most consistent practitioners. There is nothing in Islam that stays the hand of Muslims who want to kill non-Muslims. If an individual Muslim is personally peaceful, it’s not because of Islam, it’s because of his individual choice, which is why I often say that your average Muslim is morally superior to Mohammad, to their own religion. The very rare Muslim who helps us against Jihad is acting against his religion, but that doesn’t stop some among us from thinking that his existence somehow means that he represents more than himself.

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  • Kyle V

    You can't fight an enemy without identifying it. Islam is trying to destroy our freedom and our civilization, while our politicians and people try to outdo each other in who can bury their head deeper and faster. Their is only one solution, Victory. Perside Delanda Est

  • Peter

    Brilliant..thank you for continuing to fight the utter lie of 'moderate' Islam. Try walking down a street in any city in Saudi Arabia with a Bible in your hand. See how long you last. It is a total wonder to me why the left in America and Europe are blind to the threat in our midst.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      It is because the left allys itself with like minded savages.

      It's the enemy of my enemy is my friend – even if the enemy hates their comrade too – and will deal with them later.

      • defcon 4

        I always wonder, do the leftards really think the islamo-nazis are their allies? Or are they stupid enough to believe they're the tail wagging the dog?

    • defcon 4

      Hell, try walking anywhere in the Mid-East or N. Africa, outside of Israel, wearing a kippah and tallits. Better make sure your will is made out and your life insurance paid off before you do.

  • leigh

    Here is the Islamic history about the B. Quaraysa ansd examples of murdering civilians
    “P459 The Quraysh, Ghatafan and Qurayza had an alliance against Mohammad but the Qurayza refused to go to war against Mohammad without hostages (from Quraysh and Ghatafan).

    P461 Raid on B. Qurayza. Gabriel commands Mohammad to besiege them. Mohammad calls them “brothers of monkeys”. The siege is for 25 nights.
    Note in the Koran (2: 63-66) Allah transforms some Jews who profaned the Sabbath into apes: “Be as apes despicable!” In Koran 5: 59-60, He directs Muhammad to remind the “People of the Book” about “those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil.” Again, in 7: 166, we hear of the Sabbath-breaking Jews that “when in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibitions,” Allah said to them, “Be ye apes, despised and rejected.”

    P462 Abu Lubaba told Qurayza they should commit to Mohammad’s judgement and pointed with his hand to his throat signifying slaughter. .

    P 463 Sa’d approached by Mohammad to be umpire of the fate of the Qurayza clan. Sa’d stated that the men were to be killed, property divided and women and children taken as slaves. Mohammad said you have given the judgement of Allah above the seven heavens. Mohammad had trenches dug and the men beheaded in batches. Figures estimated from 600 to 900.

    P464/5 One woman beheaded also according to Aisha- for something she did (which is not stated).

    P 466 Mohammad chose Rayhana, a widow of one of the beheaded men as a concubine. She initially refuses to be his wife. Later she converts to Islam.
    P367/8: Mohammad said who will rid me of Ibnu’l Ashraf (a poet)? Mohammad b. Maslana offered to. After 3 days he asked Mohammad if he could tell lies to enable him to murder Ashraf, and Mohammad agreed. Mohammad went with them as far as Baqiu’l Gharqad and then told them to go in God’s name and God help them. This murder was said to have cast terror among the Jews. (See also Bukhari Vol 5 Bk 59 No.369)
    (cf Ten Commandments in Torah, and Jesus: not to hate your enemies but to turn the other cheek)

    P 369: Mohammad said to kill any Jew who falls within your power. Muhayyisa kills Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant. Muhayyisa said if Mohammad had told him to kill his elder brother (Hurayyisa) he would have done so. The elder brother converted to Islam as he thought that a religion that can bring you to do that is marvellous.Page 625; At Waddam they (Ansar and Mohammad) drove out its people
    See Bukhari 4/256: Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama:
    The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” I also heard the Prophet saying, “The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle.”
    Book 19, Number 4321:Muslim
    “It is reported on the authority of Sa’b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.”

  • Gavin

    They use these terms to evade facing the fact that all religions have a destructing thread within them; either homicidal or suicidal. By differentiating between those who take Islam to its logical conclusion and those who don't, they are avoiding the fact that the logical conclusion of Christianity (or some such religion) followed to the letter is equally destructive. Some people may bristle at the prospect of singling out Islam, and perhaps they should, because the flaw in human reasoning is much bigger than just one religion.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "By differentiating between those who take Islam to its logical conclusion and those who don't, they are avoiding the fact that the logical conclusion of Christianity (or some such religion) followed to the letter is equally destructive."

      You're going to have to explain your position. Where did you come up with that silliness?

      "Some people may bristle at the prospect of singling out Islam, and perhaps they should, because the flaw in human reasoning is much bigger than just one religion."

      People are murdered because humans have flawed reasoning. That's not very astute or helpful. Can you manage something more useful than that?

      • defcon 4

        He's employing an argument of false equivalence. It's a typical ploy used by those trying to defend islamofascism. A defense that commonly consists of lies and fallacies of argumentation. Because really, what else is there?

  • Smote

    Great article. The last sentence – A good Muslim according to us is a bad Muslim according to Islam – says it all, really.

    I am reminded of something my late mother told me years ago. She mentioned that an uncle of mine (her brother) was based in the British Mandate of Palestine during World War 2. She described his reaction to the native Arab population, which he found to be the most untrustworthy people he had ever met. It is as follows:-

    As a Christian; if I tell you a lie and you believe me, then I feel guilty, for I have sinned.
    As a Muslim; if I tell you a lie and you believe me, then I am clever and you are stupid.

    This is even more pertinent today than back in WW2. The West will NEVER be able to deal with Islam unless accepts the above.

  • D-Boy

    You write "crusades like it was a bad thing. Somebody had to stop the muslim hord. Where are today's crusaders, Oh yeah we are "the duped" will be no help coming until the last day.

  • Samuccaya

    Ryan Mauro over at RadicalIslam.org suffers from this illusion. He was on Sean Hannity's show (great show most of the time) the other day where he propagated this idea that terrorists have hijacked this "great Abrahamic religion".
    With wolves in sheeps clothing like him, who needs enemies?