Notes on ‘Counterjihad’

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“Counterjihadist.” If you had told me a couple of decades ago that this would be one of the many labels that would someday be attached to my name with some regularity, I would hardly have known what to say. Counter what? What jihadist?

But then these are strange times. On the evening of September 11, 2001, you might’ve expected responsible-minded, in-the-know public servants, journalists, and academic Islam experts throughout the Western world to start giving their respective publics a crash course (as it were) in Islamic jihad, so as to ensure that absolutely everybody understood exactly why those men wanted to take down those buildings. Instead, the President of the United States, the Karen Armstrongs and John Espositos, and virtually the entire Western media were quick to begin issuing fervent assurances that the terrorists were a fanatical minority who’d hijacked not only airplanes but Islam itself. Similar assurances followed hard upon every major terrorist act in the succeeding years. Those of us who knew better – who recognized that the terrorists were doing exactly what the Koran ordered them to do, and who believed that it was vitally important for everyone in the West to understand this – began to see our names yanked to a term that identified us not as people who were seeking to educate and inform but as antagonists of something to which every one of us, after all, should be opposed.

Think of it. If there was going to be such a term, every freedom-loving person in the Western world should’ve been eager to see the word “counterjihadist”  appended to his or her name after 9/11. The attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, after all, were jihadist acts. Ditto the later assaults on London, Madrid, Bali, Mumbai, and so on. How can you not be against all that, and proud of it? But no: the Western cultural elite managed to turn “counterjihadist” into a dirty word. One of the weirdest things of all, perhaps, is that when what is now known as the “counterjihad movement” is mentioned by those who despise it, the topic of jihad itself is usually nowhere in sight. It’s invisible. It’s irrelevant. It’s as if we critics of jihad were opposed to an entirely imaginary enemy – like mermaids or leprechauns.

2.

Back in the day, anti-Communists had a similar problem. I’m old enough to recall the obloquy heaped upon them by bien pensant types – professors and high-toned journalists who considered active, vocal opposition to Communism the most lowbrow of pastimes. Yes, whereas today’s counter-counterjihadists act as if jihad is a figment of counterjihadists’ fevered imaginations, the anti-anti-Communists (a label they wore with pride) at least acknowledged – albeit in a bland, bored way – that Communism existed. Sometimes they even admitted that it wasn’t all that terrific. But by focusing their animus on anti-Communism, and remaining all but silent about the evils of Communism itself – indeed, by insisting that the very application of words like “evil” to Communism (à la Ronald Reagan) was infantile and hyberbolic – they drove home the idea that overt anti-Communism was worse – by which they meant less intelligent, less sophisticated, less worldly – than Communism itself. Indeed, even as self-identified Communists in America and throughout the West held positions of trust in the academy, government, the arts, and elsewhere, anti-Communists came to be viewed as fanatical, paranoid conspiracy theorists who, in the phrase of the day, saw “a Communist under every bed.” Even now, the Hollywood Ten, a group of directors and screenwriters who in 1947 were cited for contempt of Congress for refusing to answer questions about their Communist Party affiliations, are considered heroes of American freedom, even though it is a matter of public record that all ten of them turned out, in fact, to be Stalinists, dedicated to destroying American freedom; meanwhile, director Elia Kazan – a former member of the Party who named names” because he recognized Stalinism as a genuine menace to American freedom – is still remembered as a fink.

So it is today with Islam. The “counterjihadists”  are the villains – the hysterics, the fools, who see a Muslim under every bed, with a bomb in his turban. Meanwhile the good guys are the counter-counterjihadists – the journalists, activists, and others who make a career of slamming Islam’s critics, whom they frequently represent (especially over here in Scandinavia) as “conspiracy theorists.” For just as the anti-Communists of yesteryear were viewed not as sober, well-informed students of life behind the Iron Curtain but as obsessive, ignorant haters, we counterjihadists are viewed not as people who’ve read the Koran and studied Islamic societies and subcultures but as semi-literate morons and bigots – and, according to one particularly noxious meme that has spread far and wide in the last couple of years, mindless disciples of what our enemies caricature as the mad ramblings of Bat Ye’or. (Never do any of these mud-slingers ever try to explain why so many writers and scholars around the world – people with a variety of professional and personal backgrounds, and with long records of thinking for themselves and of observing the world with their own eyes – all chose, apparently more or less at once, to become, supposedly, disciples of the same person.) It should be a matter of national shame for Britain that when its government banned Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller from its shores, it was doing the bidding of the counter-counterjihadists of Hope Not Hate – who, despite their manifestly Stalinist methods and sympathies, are treated by U.K. authorities as reliable ideological gatekeepers, even as the truth-telling Spencers and Gellers are tagged as anathema.

3.

It was Susan Sontag, the doyenne of the New York leftist intelligentsia, who finally made anti-Communism acceptable among the American cultural elite. In a high-profile address at Town Hall in New York, at the very late date of 1982 – forty-five years, mind you, after Stalin’s show trials, and forty-three years after the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact – Sontag made the solemn, and much-heralded, announcement that she’d finally decided Communism wasn’t a good thing. Why did she convert? As Hilton Kramer brilliantly explained a couple of years later, it was, quite simply, a matter of style: as a result of “the collapse of the intellectual Left in France,” he wrote, anti-Communism, which had long been out of fashion among “those American intellectuals who habitually take their political cues from Paris,” was now, suddenly, chic. Still, it was crucial for the likes of Sontag to communicate to their confrères that their anti-Communism was “somehow different, more cosmopolitan perhaps, maybe even sexier, and certainly more refined,” than that of the crude mouth-breathers who’d been anti-Communists for decades and whom Sontag & co. would come to deride as (no kidding) “premature anti-Communists.”

Communism in Europe eventually fell –  no thanks to Sontag and her ilk. As for the diehard anti-anti-Communists, did they show contrition? Au contraire: they got busy denying Reagan’s role in this revolution, making an icon, instead, out of Mikhail Gorbachev – even though he’d only wanted to “reform” Communism. In elite Western circles, Communism remained respectable – and anti-Communists continued, by and large, to be viewed as vulgarians.

Given this history, which tells us so much that is so depressing about the nature of modern Western man, what is the best that we counterjihadists can hope for? Could it be this: that the winds of intellectual fashion will shift someday (sooner, one hopes, rather than later) in such a way as to make it attractive for today’s opportunistic left-wing counterparts of Susan Sontag to snatch the banner from our hands and take counterjihadism mainstream – acting all the while, naturally, as if they’d invented it themselves, or rescued it from the philistines? Might such a development, moreover, actually help turn the tide in the struggle against jihadist Islam? If it did, to be sure, those of us who were here first would, unquestionably, be smeared even in the moment of victory (should it ever come) as “premature counterjihadists” – oafs and barbarians who’d held down the fort until the real heroes came along. But c’est la vie: if that’s what it would take to reverse the Islamization of the West, it would be a small price to pay.

Not that I’m holding my breath, of course.

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  • Yosr

    This website consistently tries to scare us and the people to vote one way or the other.

    When Obama wanted to be president the right wing media played the race card.

    How can a black man be president? However Americans are a little to educated for that game now.

    So then they say Obama is a Muslim!!!! OMG!!! OMG!! The media almost had him out by claiming he is a Muslim.

    Claiming a man is a MUSLIM is TRAUMATIZING.

    Even if Obama was a Muslim why should that affect his presidency?

    I don’t remember the constitution denying that. You remember a phrase “One nation under god for all”? Oh you must of forgot that part.

    Remember this is a country of immigrants.
    Your grandparents or great grand parents were immigrants
    My parents are immigrants
    My children will be children of immigrants.

    If your filled with hatred towards one group of immigrants then you need to return to where you came from.

    This is the country of where we all have opportunity and justice for all (not one group). That was the reason why the original colonist came to discover america.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “When Obama wanted to be president the right wing media played the race card. How can a black man be president? However Americans are a little to educated for that game now.”

      Yeah, right. Liar.

      “So then they say Obama is a Muslim!!!! OMG!!! OMG!! The media almost had him out by claiming he is a Muslim. Claiming a man is a MUSLIM is TRAUMATIZING. Even if Obama was a Muslim why should that affect his presidency?”

      The point is he’s lying about it because he thinks it makes it easier to sell pro-jihadi foreign policy as good and sensible. As an openly allah-worshiping muslim (ignore his ring), it would be harder to sell that. And harder to get elected at all. That does not ever justify lying. Ever.

      “I don’t remember the constitution denying that. You remember a phrase “One nation under god for all”? Oh you must of forgot that part.”

      Follow along more carefully if you don’t want to get so confused.

      “Remember this is a country of immigrants.
      Your grandparents or great grand parents were immigrants
      My parents are immigrants

      My children will be children of immigrants. If your filled with hatred towards one group of immigrants then you need to return to where you came from.”

      If your heart or mind is filled with lies, you need to return to where you came from.

      “This is the country of where we all have opportunity and justice for all (not one group). ”

      Justice according to our constitution, not your sharia lies.

      “That was the reason why the original colonist came to discover america.”

      Colonists came to settle,. It had already been discovered. They came here to set up a new form of government that does not need an Islamic reboot. Live by the US constitution if you are here, or expect the wrath of loyal Americans. If your mosque is preaching against Western laws, you must report this. If you don’t, you’re a traitor.

      Mosques are not churches.

      • Yosr

        oh my friend I have a question for you.

        With a hate campaign against Islam since 9/11 you would think the number of Islam converts would decrease because of the fear of Islam that’s what you would think.

        Why are 20,000 Americans converting to Islam every year since 9/11?

        Why was their a jump 74 percent of mosques in America since 9/11?

        Any educated person would tell you that a concentrated smear effort is not working.

        Their Must be something different about Islam then any other religion.

        Have you ever sat down and read the Quran?

        I am a Muslim and I understand that God guides peoples hearts and not the media.

        I challenge you to just go to YouTube or google and listen to an Islamic lecture and learn what it is that this media is fighting.

        Anything you have fear of you need to understand!!

        So if your afraid of mosques then I suggest you go to the nearest mosque and visit them. Go and see what happens inside!

        The mosques that I have been to actually have classes weekly for the local christian universities and law enforcement about religion and understanding.

        The mosque offers a health fair to everyone 1 time a year which is a benefit to the community in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

        See I am a Muslim and if you came to the Mosque that I pray at which has a restaurant, I would invite you to a dinner, you would come see the school the mosque operates, come see the food pantry that feeds hundreds of families every week, come see where we pray, come see our gymnasium facilities and meeting halls, come see our burial building and services.

        I challenge you to go and visit any Mosque and let me know your experience.

        • Rosenmops

          Why are 20,000 Americans converting to Islam every year since 9/11?

          I doubt this is true. But if it is, it is probably because they closed most of the psychiatric hospitals in the second half of the 20th century.

          For example:
          http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Alleged+bomber+changed+after+converting+Islam+friend+says/8611966/story.html

          http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Legislature+bomb+plot+accused+John+Nuttall+psychiatric/8717379/story.html

          • objectivefactsmatter

            It’s also huge among felons who want to think allah condones their crimes as “legitimate defense against colonialism.”

            Most Muslim recruits seem to be from and in our prisons.

        • Edward

          Yosr,

          “the prophet” needs more lemmings to replace the 100,000+ dead in Syria.

          Where do 20,000+ come from?

          Prisons, Mental Hospitals, Drug Cartels.

          The Cream of the Crap become Islamaniacs.

        • Stuart

          I would like to visit a mosque in Mecca, or Medina to see how accepting the “religion of peace” is. Oh, thats right, you racist scum dont let people visit your holy sites do you? Strange how your vermin religions tolerance falls down at this first hurdle. All you are good for is bombings and child rape. Real nice religion. Scum

          • Yosr

            Peace be upon you,

            1) First you have to understand everyone can visit any mosque in the world.

            2)With the exception of the Mecca-Medina area. This is not because they don’t want you their, however you have to have special cleansing procedure complete prior to entering this area. If you accept Islam and do the special cleansing you are more than welcome to enter that area.

            Peace be upon you,

          • Edward

            Yosr,

            BULLSHIITE.

            What is this “special cleansing procedure” that only Muslims can perform?

            Infidels can’t wash their hands and feet?

            Only Muslims can?

            Mecca is an racist, fascist, exclusionary Apartheid city.

            BTW, if the US or Israel or India suffer a nuke attack, Mecca will be totally destroyed, in retaliation.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Islamic cleansing is not the same as hygienic cleansing, but you can’t convince them of that fact.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “If you accept Islam and do the special cleansing you are more than welcome to enter that area.”

            Isn’t that special. What happens if you change your mind after you go through all of that in Saudi Arabia?

            Is there a 30-day no-fault period to change one’s mind or do the apostasy laws apply immediately? Just asking since you can’t actually go to the main temple until you’ve “converted.”

            Seems like a scam.

          • Drakken

            You can take the devils false peace and leave us in the west, soon you will be fleeing our shores in fear.

        • kafir4life

          allahu snackbar to ya there, muslim! Are you having a nice ramadamadingdong? Yes, I’ve read your terror guide, and understand it to have been written by an epileptic pedophile named mohamat, the pig faced dog. I’m sure you know the history, that mohamat the false prophet was having carnal relations with a pig that he referred to as “dad”, then failing to properly cook him for the meal that followed, had some intestinal distress, and led to the writing of the koran in the Arabian sands. Is that what you’ve heard?

          • Yosr

            Peace be upon you,

            Well you got me very embarrassed…. See whats amazing about Islam is the Quran is its best defense. I don’t have to defend Islam with emotions just with what it say’s. I want you to disprove any of the hundreds of scientific ascertains made in the Quran 1400 yrs ago? I want to be a kafir for life too so please find me 1 scientific ascertain out of hundreds made that is incorrect. If Mohamed was a false prophet Great how could hundreds of scientific miracles all agree with science today after 1400 yrs? Don’t you think at least 1 would be wrong? I mean people with PHDs change their scientific ascertains every few months because of a change. The Quran 1400 yrs ago spoke about everything from astrology, meteorology, anatomy and physiology, earth formations, embryonic development, and allot more. The Quran was correct on every field of knowledge it discussed. Allot of these discoveries are just being made after 1900s please read just a few so you could prove me wrong.

            These are just a few of the many examples. If you want more please let me know.

            1)Mountains

            This is how the Quran has described mountains. God has said in the Quran:

            “Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs?” (Quran 78:6-7)

            “And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you…” (Quran 16:15)

            Modern earth sciences have proven that mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground and that these roots can reach several times their elevations above the surface of the ground.[2] So the most suitable word to describe mountains on the basis of this information is the word ‘peg,’ since most of a properly set peg is hidden under the surface of the ground. The history of science tells us that the theory of mountains having deep roots was introduced only in the latter half of the nineteenth century. This knowledge about the role of mountains as stabilizers for the earth has just begun to be understood in the framework of plate tectonics since the late 1960’s.

            2) Explains how two water masses don’t mix when they meet!!!

            The Holy Quran mentioned that there is a barrier between two seas that meet and that they do not transgress. God has said:

            “He has set free the two seas meeting together. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress.” (Quran 55:19-20)

            “He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition.” (Quran 25:53)

            Modern Science has discovered that in the places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity, and density.[1] For example, Mediterranean sea water is warm, saline, and less dense, compared to Atlantic ocean water.

            Although there are large waves, strong currents, and tides in these seas, they do not mix or transgress this barrier. This information has been discovered only recently, using advanced equipment to measure temperature, salinity, density, oxygen dissolubility, etc.

            3) Prefontal area discribed in the quran.

            “No! If he does not stop, We will take him by the naseyah (front of the head), a lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)!” (Quran 96:15-16)

            So, this area of the cerebrum is responsible for planning, motivating, and initiating good and sinful behavior and is responsible for the telling of lies and the speaking of truth. Thus, it is proper to describe the front of the head as lying and sinful when someone lies or commits a sin, as the Quran has said, “…A lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)!”

            Scientists have only discovered these functions of the prefrontal area in the last sixty years, according to Professor Keith L. Moore.[3

            4) Origin of Life described in Quran

            Water is essential for all living things. We all know that water is vital to life but the Quran makes a very unusual claim:

            “We made every living thing from water? Will they not believe? “(Quran 21:30)

            In this verse water is pointed out as the origin of all life. All living things are made of cells. We now know that cells are mostly made up of water[3]. For example, 80% of the cytoplasm (basic cell material) of a standard animal cell is described as water in biology textbooks.

            The fact that living things consist mostly of water was discovered only after the invention of the microscope. In the deserts of Arabia, the last thing someone would have guessed is that all life came from water.

            5) Iron

            Iron is not natural to the earth. It did not form on the earth but came down to earth from outer space. This may sound strange but it’s true. Scientists have found that billions of years ago the earth was stuck by meteorites. These meteorites were carrying Iron from distant stars which had exploded[4].

            The Quran says the following on the origin of Iron:

            “We sent down Iron with its great inherent strength and its many benefits for humankind.” (Quran 57:25)

            God uses the words ‘sent down’ for Iron. It is clear from the verse that Iron is not an earthly material, but was sent down for the benefit of humanity. The fact that Iron came down to earth from outer space is something which could not be known by the primitive science of the 7th century.

            6) Sun’s Orbit in the quran

            In 1512 the astronomer Nicholas Copernicus put forward his theory that the Sun is motionless at the centre of the solar system, and that the planets revolve around it. The belief that the Sun is stationary was widespread amongst astronomers until the 20th century. It is now a well-established scientific fact that the Sun is not stationary, but is moving in an orbit around the centre of our Milky Way galaxy[7].

            The Quran mentions the orbit of the Sun:

            “It is He who created night and day, the Sun and the Moon, each floating in its orbit.” (Quran 21:33)

            The Quran would have been wrong according to astronomers just a couple of decades ago. But we now know that the Quranic account of the Sun’s motion is consistent with modern Astronomy.

            These are just some of the many scientific facts found in the Quran. It is important to note that the Quran is not a book of science, but that it is consistent with science. To claim that scientific facts in the Quran are due to coincidence would be irrational. The best explanation is that God revealed this knowledge to the Prophet Muhammad.

            Just like the Quran contains knowledge about the natural world, it also contains information about the inner dimensions of our souls. It relates to our feelings, wants and needs. The Quran informs us that we have a purpose in life, and that following God’s guidance will lead us to inner peace in this life, and Paradise in the hereafter. And that rejection of his message will lead to depression in this life and Hellfire after death.

            “We shall show them Our signs in the Universe and within themselves, until it becomes clear to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that your Lord is the witness of all things?” (Quran 41:53)

            In the end I wish you all the very best. What you choose is up to you. What made me a Muslim is that I have no doubt that this quran is from God and the final message. These are just a few of the miracles of the quran. How can a person deny something when it is factually true? How could a man 1400 yrs ago know these things? Scholarly scientific books are changed every year because new knowledge comes out that nullifies the previous. HOW could a man write a book 1400 yrs ago that makes hundreds of scientific and medical ascertains and ALL still be scientifically proven?
            I am a man of education, knowledge, and science.
            This was clear as 1+1=2 to me the knowledge in that the quran has to be divine.

            May GOD Guide Us All

            Peace be upon you,

          • Drakken

            No wonder you bloody savages are still stuck in the dark ages.

      • alihusaini

        You seem to have an awful lot of time on your hands rebutting everyone you disagree with.Don’t you work?

        • Edward

          alibaba,

          The battle against leftist lies, FAKE anti-war, fascist socialists, “progressives”, the oxymoron called “the religion of peace” is a never ending battle.

          We get paid by George Soros to resist islamofascism.

          P.S. I declare that the false prophet muhammed, prophet

          of satan, burns in HELL for all time.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “You seem to have an awful lot of time on your hands rebutting everyone you disagree with.”

          I take it you wish I had less time for the likes of you.

          Sniff.

    • iluvisrael

      You’re just another muzzie piglet spreading taqiya – we’re onto you accccchhhhhhhmed.

    • knowshistory

      apparently the troll thinks dear leader is not a muslim, even though he would be much more perfect if he were a pedophile, murderer, rapist, slave dealing, lying muslim like the troll. ok. lets assume dear leader is not in fact a muslim, not a practitioner of the perfect peaceful religion, dedicated to lies genocide, perversion, and crime. now tell us, troll. as a vile infidel, not favored by allah, what is Obama doing that is different from what a muslim would do? I submit that dear leader is doing exactly what a dedicated muslim would do.

    • http://www.luoamerican.com/baldilocks Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

      My father is from Kenya, as was Obama’s alleged father. I did not vote him either time, however. Was it because he’s part black? No. Was it because his acknowledged biological father was an immigrant? No.

      I did not vote for him because, as someone who has a working knowledge of the history of communism/Marxism/progressivism, etc. I know a statist when I see one. Too bad you don’t.

  • Yosr

    I AM a MUSLIM! !

    I want to THANK YOU and FOX news and Creeping Sharia and Glen beck for truly bringing Islam to light!!

    Every time you talk about Islam you bring curiosity to peoples minds!!!

    Since 9/11 their has been about 20,000 conversions to Islam in America.

    On creeping sharia website your saying that Islam population doubled in the USA since 9/11.

    Number of Mosques are up 74 percent since 9/11.

    We are in the land of free and people are choosing Islam!! NO one forced to wear burqas! No one forced to Pray! You continually try to scare people of Islam but when people actually read the true essences of Islam the can’t deny the truth!

    This is why you guys constantly try to defame Islam but Only god guides peoples hearts and minds, not the media!!

    http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2012/05/08/muslim-population-doubles-in-usa-since-911/
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/24/post-911-islam-converts_n_935572.html

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “I want to THANK YOU and FOX news and Creeping Sharia and Glen beck for truly bringing Islam to light!! Every time you talk about Islam you bring curiosity to peoples minds!!!”

      Great. We’ll see how long it takes for the truth to finally win.

      “Since 9/11 their has been about 20,000 conversions to Islam every year in America.”

      There’s a dupe born every minute, or something like that.

      “On creeping sharia website your saying that Islam population doubled in the USA since 9/11. Number of Mosques are up 74 percent since 9/11.”

      Yeah. Hostile settlers who lie when applying for visas.

      “We are in the land of free and people are choosing Islam!! NO one forced to wear burqas! No one forced to Pray! You continually try to scare people of Islam but when people actually read the true essences of Islam the can’t deny the truth!”

      We deny that Islam is true. We deny that Islamic ideology is benign.

      “This is why you guys constantly try to defame Islam but Only god guides peoples hearts and minds, not the media!!”

      What does that mean? What is the reason in your mind? The fact is that we’ve exposed many fundamental lies about Islam.

      • Yosr

        oh my friend I have a question for you.

        With a hate campaign against Islam since 9/11 you would think the number of Islam converts would decrease because of the fear of Islam that’s what you would think.

        Why are 20,000 Americans converting to Islam every year since 9/11?

        Why was their a jump 74 percent of mosques in America since 9/11?

        Any educated person would tell you that a concentrated smear effort is not working.
        Their Must be something different about Islam then any other religion.
        Have you ever sat down and read the Quran?
        I am a Muslim an I understand that God guides peoples hearts and not the media.

        I challenge you to just go to YouTube or Google and listen to an Islamic lecture and learn what it is that this media is fighting.

        How can people hate something with out ever knowing what it teaches?

        • Edward

          Yosr, I have a question for you, a muslim.

          Barack Hussein Obama…

          Is he or has he ever been a Muslim?

          • Yosr

            My friend Edward:

            1) I am by no means an Obama supporter or vise versa.
            2) My point was whether he is a Muslim or not should not affect his presidency.
            3) I don’t remember Islam being a nullifying factor for being a president in the bill of rights or constitution.

          • Edward

            Obama took an oath to uphold the Constitution and defend it against enemies, foreign or domestic.

            Obama and PC have done more to damage the US than any other president.

            If PC regarding Islam were not enforced, the soliders in Fort Hood would still be alive, the Boston Marathon bombing victims would still be alive.

            The is a VERY GOOD reason that the NYPD, FBI and NSA are monitoring people – Muslims – to prevent more fifth column attacks.

            P.S. I don’t consider you a friend. I consider you the enemy of freedom, democracy and religious liberty and non-ripoff priced gasoline.

          • Yosr

            Peace be upon you,

            PS. I don’t care what you consider me. That does not make me happier or not.

            MY point is Islam is a religion of strangers. The prophet him self discussed this when it was just the prophet and his wife. His own uncle, own society rejected Islam. People will not like how it will affect their lives because it alters societies not just your religion.

            Their will be people and media that will try to defame it (FOX NEWS, Frontpage, creeping sharia, on and on) with all their passion, wealth, power, but that doesn’t matter to Muslims or Islam.

            If the whole world tried to rid the world Islam it would live because god protects its.

            God created everything.
            God controls who accepts it and who rejects its.
            God sustains this world.

            No one forced to accept or leave Islam.

            Peace be upon you

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “No one forced to accept or leave Islam.”

            Because we’ve protected ourselves up to this point.

            The vast majority of Muslims were decreed Muslim by birth and had no choice.

          • Yosr

            Well every individual is born sin free and Muslim
            People choose their life through their up bringing.

            How many books stood up test of time?
            How many books are memorized completely from start to finish by billions of people throughout the world from USA to Malaysia?
            How many books are still read in their original text and language?

            Not the Bible
            Not the torah
            Not any other book

            The Quran is memorized by billions today all over the world from start to finish, every letter, every word, no difference from 1400 yrs ago till today and will remain the same for eternity.

            The Prophet 1400 yrs ago talks about the blessing of Islam is that the quran will be intact for life.

            That is the blessing of the quran.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Well every individual is born sin free and Muslim”

            That is Islamic ideology. Nothing more.

            “How many books stood up test of time?
            How many books are memorized completely from start to finish by billions of people throughout the world from USA to Malaysia?”

            How many books are used to form a totalitarian cult? Luckily not many.

            “The Quran is memorized by billions today all over the world from start to finish…”

            Bullshirt. Only jihadis and incredibly pompous dupes do that.

            “…every letter, every word, no difference from 1400 yrs ago till today and will remain the same for eternity.”

            Even if you could show that it’s been preserved, that alone means nothing.

            “The Prophet 1400 yrs ago talks about the blessing of Islam is that the quran will be intact for life.”

            That’s just flowery BS.

            “That is the blessing of the quran.”

            “Islamic blessings.” No thank you.

          • Yosr

            Great!!! You don’t have any good answers to what I wrote above so you write random stuff,

            That’s right billions of normal every day Muslims have memorized the quran from start to finish letter by letter
            same text since it was revealed all over the world.

            Their is text Prophet Mohammed PBUH from 1400 years ago talking about how the quran will be preserved today and how it will be preserved for life.

            Now if facts do not seem to work for you I am very sorry I cant help you! Please feel free to look this up.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Great!!! You don’t have any good answers to what I wrote above so you write random stuff,”

            You are a cult member. No answers are acceptable to you in terms of breaking you free of your cult. You’ve been programmed that way. Everything you hear positive or negative about Islam will “confirm” the supposed authenticity of Islam and Mohamed.

            “That’s right billions of normal every day Muslims have memorized the quran from start to finish letter by letter
            same text since it was revealed all over the world.”

            Sorry, that’s a lie. But even if they had, it would only make Islam look worse, not better. What do you allege that this proves? Don’t answer. I already know Muslims claim this proves some divine connection.

            “Their is text Prophet Mohammed PBUH from 1400 years ago talking about how the quran will be preserved today and how it will be preserved for life.”

            Wow. We already know that Islam is the most prolific cult. I’m not impressed.

            “Now if facts do not seem to work for you I am very sorry I cant help you! Please feel free to look this up.”

            These “facts” don’t mean what you think they do. You come across as very low in intelligence to most people, but I know the power of indoctrination. You can’t even imagine the possibility that Islam is false and therefore all evidence simply points to its authenticity to you.

            Islam is not the only cult. We’ve seen this elsewhere, so it’s not that impressive to me.

          • Edward

            Sounds like a Death Cult.

            I’m not buying your bean pies.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Their will be people and media that will try to defame it (FOX NEWS, Frontpage, creeping sharia, on and on) with all their passion, wealth, power, but that doesn’t matter to Muslims or Islam.”

            “Islamic defamation” is exposing the facts about true Islamic history.

            “If the whole world tried to rid the world Islam it would live because god protects its.”

            That’s your theory.

            “No one forced to accept or leave Islam.”

            Oh please. Your lies force us to keep countering them with the truth. That’s why we’re here. You’re motivating us.

          • Edward

            Yosr,

            Nakba be upon you.

            May all your plots blow up in your face.
            May all who aspire to become shaheeds – only succeed in their self-destruction – and their targets safe and intact.

            May your jihads turn into Nabkas for you.
            May Infidels overrun Mecca.
            May Sunni and Shiitle continue their murderous hatred of each other over their competing religious views.

            May the millions of Muslims who dream of escaping the shackles of Islam do so without fear of death by Muslim fascists.

            The more islamofascists steal, rape and murder, the more disgust of Islam grows.

          • alihusaini

            You are truly a poet Mr. Edward,King of the Idiot Morons!!

          • Edward

            >>Yosr, I have a question for you, a muslim.

            >>Barack Hussein Obama…

            >>Is he or has he ever been a Muslim?

            >Yosr,
            >My friend Edward:
            >1) I am by no means an Obama supporter or vise versa.
            >2) My point was whether he is a Muslim or not should not affect his presidency.
            >3) I don’t remember Islam being a nullifying factor for being a president in the bill of rights or constitution.

            I see you didn’t answer the question.

            Do you as a Muslim consider Barack Hussein Obama a Muslim???

          • Yosr

            Being a Muslim is something you choose for your self so if Obama says he is a Muslim then he is a Muslim. However I don’t recall him ever saying currently he is a Muslim. He said he is a christian many times and attends a christian church.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “He said he is a christian many times and attends a christian church.”

            A Christian or a Jew can convert to Islam, and a Muslim can pose as a Christian or a Jew if it serves Jihad.

            This is because Muslims claim that ‘the people of the book” were once “good Muslims” and it’s today’s Christians and Jews who are the descendants of apes, pigs, monkeys, etc.

            Since 0′Bama was born from a Muslim father, who also named him, he is a Muslim. He never denounced Islam, so he remains a Muslim.

            Not only that, but his pastor is also someone who went through the same process. Wright was a Muslim who was also gay, and somehow figured out that by going under cover as a Christian, he could be a stealth Muslim without having a lot of people following him around and expecting him to act like an observant Muslim.

            Wright and 0′Bama are “Christian Muslims” in that they claim to their handlers to be following the “Islam” of “the people of the book” while presenting it in a strategically beneficial way to non-Muslims (deception).

            Basically if you can’t stop drinking or doing things that get you in trouble as a Muslim, you’re permitted (for the sake of jihad) to pose outwardly as a Christian or a Jew, as long as you do some thing or some things for the great jihad. A jihadi can even pose as an apostate. Like the 9/11 jihadis.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “3) I don’t remember Islam being a nullifying factor for being a president in the bill of rights or constitution.”

            Nobody stated or even implied that it was. At this point we’re thinking maybe it should be.

          • moneekwa

            well, lets spell it out then. islam states that man-made laws are inferior, and allaah’s law, shariah, is above any man-made law. man-made laws are basically not valid. the constitution of the usa is a man-made law and also “supreme law of the land” and the president must swear to uphold and abide by it. this is a very serious conflict of interest. how does a muslim obey allaah, yet obey a man-made legal system at the same time? he doesn’t. he must obey allaah.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Precisely. Therefore in theory an overt Muslim can become POTUS or anything he or she wants in the USA if they convince us that their beliefs don’t conflict with our laws. Or simply get enough people to vote for them like the current Muslim president. But the problem is that he lied, and he always acts in the best interests of the global Sunni caliphate project.

          • Yosr

            OK I just wont comment any more because you believe too many conspiracies theories….

          • Yosr

            Peace be upon you,

            Because you seem to like facts I have a few for you. See whats amazing about Islam is the Quran is its best defense. I dont have to defend Islam with emotions just with what it say’s.

            In the Quran which was written 1400 yrs ago it spoke of many scientific evidences that are now proven to be true. Only god would have know such a thing 1400 yrs ago. These are just a few of the many examples. If you want more please let me know.

            1)Mountains

            This is how the Quran has described mountains. God has said in the Quran:

            “Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs?” (Quran 78:6-7)

            “And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you…” (Quran 16:15)

            Modern earth sciences have proven that mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground and that these roots can reach several times their elevations above the surface of the ground.[2] So the most suitable word to describe mountains on the basis of this information is the word ‘peg,’ since most of a properly set peg is hidden under the surface of the ground. The history of science tells us that the theory of mountains having deep roots was introduced only in the latter half of the nineteenth century. This knowledge about the role of mountains as stabilizers for the earth has just begun to be understood in the framework of plate tectonics since the late 1960’s.

            2) Explains how two water masses don’t mix when they meet!!!

            The Holy Quran mentioned that there is a barrier between two seas that meet and that they do not transgress. God has said:

            “He has set free the two seas meeting together. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress.” (Quran 55:19-20)

            “He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition.” (Quran 25:53)

            Modern Science has discovered that in the places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity, and density.[1] For example, Mediterranean sea water is warm, saline, and less dense, compared to Atlantic ocean water.

            Although there are large waves, strong currents, and tides in these seas, they do not mix or transgress this barrier. This information has been discovered only recently, using advanced equipment to measure temperature, salinity, density, oxygen dissolubility, etc.

            3) Prefontal area discribed in the quran.

            “No! If he does not stop, We will take him by the naseyah (front of the head), a lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)!” (Quran 96:15-16)

            So, this area of the cerebrum is responsible for planning, motivating, and initiating good and sinful behavior and is responsible for the telling of lies and the speaking of truth. Thus, it is proper to describe the front of the head as lying and sinful when someone lies or commits a sin, as the Quran has said, “…A lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)!”

            Scientists have only discovered these functions of the prefrontal area in the last sixty years, according to Professor Keith L. Moore.[3

            4) Origin of Life discribed in Quran

            Water is essential for all living things. We all know that water is vital to life but the Quran makes a very unusual claim:

            “We made every living thing from water? Will they not believe? “(Quran 21:30)

            In this verse water is pointed out as the origin of all life. All living things are made of cells. We now know that cells are mostly made up of water[3]. For example, 80% of the cytoplasm (basic cell material) of a standard animal cell is described as water in biology textbooks.

            The fact that living things consist mostly of water was discovered only after the invention of the microscope. In the deserts of Arabia, the last thing someone would have guessed is that all life came from water.

            5) Iron

            Iron is not natural to the earth. It did not form on the earth but came down to earth from outer space. This may sound strange but it’s true. Scientists have found that billions of years ago the earth was stuck by meteorites. These meteorites were carrying Iron from distant stars which had exploded[4].

            The Quran says the following on the origin of Iron:

            “We sent down Iron with its great inherent strength and its many benefits for humankind.” (Quran 57:25)

            God uses the words ‘sent down’ for Iron. It is clear from the verse that Iron is not an earthly material, but was sent down for the benefit of humanity. The fact that Iron came down to earth from outer space is something which could not be known by the primitive science of the 7th century.

            6) Sun’s Orbit in the quran

            In 1512 the astronomer Nicholas Copernicus put forward his theory that the Sun is motionless at the centre of the solar system, and that the planets revolve around it. The belief that the Sun is stationary was widespread amongst astronomers until the 20th century. It is now a well-established scientific fact that the Sun is not stationary, but is moving in an orbit around the centre of our Milky Way galaxy[7].

            The Quran mentions the orbit of the Sun:

            “It is He who created night and day, the Sun and the Moon, each floating in its orbit.” (Quran 21:33)

            The Quran would have been wrong according to astronomers just a couple of decades ago. But we now know that the Quranic account of the Sun’s motion is consistent with modern Astronomy.

            These are just some of the many scientific facts found in the Quran. It is important to note that the Quran is not a book of science, but that it is consistent with science. To claim that scientific facts in the Quran are due to coincidence would be irrational. The best explanation is that God revealed this knowledge to the Prophet Muhammad.

            Just like the Quran contains knowledge about the natural world, it also contains information about the inner dimensions of our souls. It relates to our feelings, wants and needs. The Quran informs us that we have a purpose in life, and that following God’s guidance will lead us to inner peace in this life, and Paradise in the hereafter. And that rejection of his message will lead to depression in this life and Hellfire after death.

            “We shall show them Our signs in the Universe and within themselves, until it becomes clear to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that your Lord is the witness of all things?” (Quran 41:53)

            In the end I wish you all the very best. What you choose is up to you. What made me a Muslim is that I have no doubt that this quran is from God and the final message. These are just a few of the miracles of the quran. How can a person deny something whenn it is factually true? How could a man 1400 yrs ago know these things? Scolarly scientific books are changed every year because new knowledge comes out that nulifies the previous. HOW could a man write a book 1400 yrs ago and still be scientifically proven?

            May GOD Guide Us All

            Peace be upon you,

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I’m sorry, but it’s not that impressive. Didn’t Mohamed also split the moon too? I mean come on.

            In any case, even if you consider this beyond human intelligence (which I don’t), Satan knew about this stuff…or at least he knew it would impress people willing to follow a tyrant if it also fit with their self-interests.

            Isn’t Satan the great deceiver? You’re not being objective. You’re only examining testimony that confirms what you’re already programmed to believe.

            Now look at prophecies in the Bible about Israel. You can claim that the Christians and “Jewish conspiracies” made those self-full-filling but the world and its future are not that easy to control. Those prophecies are more clear than yours.

            And once you agree with the Bible, you have to then wonder what we really needed Mohamed for and wonder why he attacked and killed so many people?

            Why are Muslims attacking so many people today and trying to take over the world? Why are they convinced that Islamic texts support their actions? Why so many “ignorant” jihadis who “misunderstand” the texts? Why are so many willing to die in violent jihad when the text is so clearly distorted by blasphemers when the texts should help them to resolve to live peacefully as you advocate here?

            If you’re sincere, I am here to inform you that you don’t need the Koran. You need the Bible.

          • Yosr

            1) God split the moon one of his miracles. Not the prophet. Prophet is a Man but God is the one with the power to split the moon.

            2) I do not condone any violence. The people that have a deeper understanding of Islam condone knowledge not violence. How did Indonesian and Malaysia become 99 percent Muslim?? No army entered these countries. They accepted Islam through their great interactions and trade.

            3) Definition of Jihad: Struggle.
            - Inner struggle: This is where you try everyday to be a good Muslim.
            - a physical jihad: This can only happen with a khalifa Islamic leader. Today we do not have a Islamic leader or khalifa so no Muslim can take up to fight anyone.
            - self defense: is the only time to take up arms.

            4) Islam does teach us to respect all prophets the same from Adam, Jesus, down to the muhamed. We believe all of these prophets had the correct message. We believe in Torah, bible and quran. We believe the only message that has not been changed is the quran that is our final message.

            5) Their is a Billion and half Muslims. They are not perfect you will find some with misunderstandings. If a few people do an act they don’t represent the religion.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “If a few people do an act they don’t represent the religion.”

            It’s more than a few. Even if we limit our examination to the major riots from the past decade, we’re talking about a lot of violent people who consider themselves to be defending the “honor” of Islam. That’s just the beginning.

            So even if I give you the benefit if the doubt, the big challenge is how to put the jin back in the bottle. How do we stop the violence if we don’t attack the ideology so clearly used to foment it? You really ought to be contending with the violent people who defame your religion before you criticize us, when we have no reason to care about preserving any of it. We don’t need it for anything, and it’s obviously a big nuisance.

            Even you should see the logic in that. Once you realize you don’t need it either, then you’ll understand the point even better. Even if your defense is legitimate.

          • Yosr

            See I have no intention to upset anyone. My intention is to let the Quran speak for itself. Please honestly answer these in you heart!

            So their is hundreds of narrations in the quran that are scientific miracles..
            How could a man 1400 yrs ago be correct on every single scientific narration in the quran?
            Scientific books written by scholars that have multiple PHDs are out dated every few months but this Quran written by an illiterate man in the cave is still correct in every single scientific narration.
            Its something to have 1 or 2 correct and be wrong about everything else. The Quran after 1400 yrs is still standing not changed and in thousands of lines of text are all still scientifically correct. These are very specific assertions made throughout the quran.
            See I believe from facts and not from emotions. If you or any human being can just disprove 1 scientific fact in the quran I will leave Islam!!!
            The interesting fact is many of the new Muslim converts were the scholarly people that researched Islam and found these ascertains which must be divine knowledge.

            May god guide us all!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “So their is hundreds of narrations in the quran that are scientific miracles..”

            I disagree completely. Most scientific discoveries are the result of further examination of things we already observe. Most of your examples don’t even qualify as unique observations, let alone scientific revelations.

            And given the amount of material plagiarized from the Bible, you’d then have to show it was not taken from there or from some earlier theorist.

            But it’s not even that impressive if we find that he truly did imagine those things on his own. Believers simply imagine that must have been what he was talking about. It seems obvious because you need to believe.

            But as I say, that’s not the part that worries most “Islam-o-phobes.” It’s the behavior of those who follow the example of Mohamed to this day that have us concerned.

          • Yosr

            Peace be upon you,

            What is interesting allot of people can’t differentiate Islam from Muslims.

            Islam: is a Pure religion
            Muslims: 1.5 billion of them all live across the world with different upbringings and society.

            1 Muslim Indonesian does not represent 1 Muslim in USA.

            Same with all religions

            Everyday people their are christian all over the world commit crimes and are in prison (how many Christians in american prisons? (millions) and they do not speak for the rest of Christians in the rest of the world? WHY Don’t we have news media every day just showing every single christian crime ???
            So every time a christian in Switzerland goes to prison Christians all over the world are bad? Is their a problem with Christianity the religion or is their a problem with the people?
            So then if we have millions of Christians in USA prisons we need to deport them?
            Every time a Christian commits a crime in the world we need to have months of news coverage about how Christianity is a bad religion?

            This is the rhetoric allot of people use which I do not like.
            I believe each individual person speaks for themselves and not for another individual across the world!!!

            Sincerly,
            Peace be upon you

          • moneekwa

            if you want to stay ahead on us foreign policy, watch what qaradawi demands. within a day or two obama will do exactly that.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “With a hate campaign against Islam since 9/11 you would think the number of Islam converts would decrease because of the fear of Islam that’s what you would think. Why are 20,000 Americans converting to Islam every year since 9/11?”

          You didn’t provide enough data to even begin to figure out if there are more converts. But let’s assume there are.

          The fact that Islam is NOT widely held as the root problem can explain why liars are still able to walk up to confused people and make stupid claims.

          The popular narrative about Islam is that it’s awesome and peaceful, but some crazy guys who haven’t evolved yet think they’re still defending themselves against evil Christians. So no matter what happens today, it’s really caused by the crusades.

          There are only a few people that actually “hatefully” tell the truth about Islam. But word is getting around as most “thought leaders” in the West are largely exposed as nothing more than dreamers and delusional liars.

          “Why was their a jump 74 percent of mosques in America since 9/11?”

          That’s easy: Saudi investment in civilization jihad.

          “Any educated person would tell you that a concentrated smear effort is not working.”

          There is no concentrated smear effort and people are waking up to the fundamental problems with Islam and the liars that cover these problems up.

          “Have you ever sat down and read the Quran?
          I am a Muslim an I understand that God guides peoples hearts and not the media.”

          I’ve read enough to know that the koran is complete bullshirt. It’s very clear precisely what Mohamed was up to. You can question whether he was insane or actually communicated with Satan, but there’s no justification at all to take his claims as “prophet of (any god)” seriously. It’s really a sad, sick joke. People would be laughing every time they heard the historical truth, but there’s so much blood involved thanks to Mo.

          “I challenge you to just go to YouTube or Google and listen to an Islamic lecture and learn what it is that this media is fighting.”

          I’ve heard so much Islamic (circular) logic that I can recognize it anywhere. The media is NOT fighting Islam. A few brave people are managing to publish the facts that correctly attack Islam as fundamentally violent, deceptive and fraudulent. You hate this of course. I understand.

          “How can people hate something with out ever knowing what it teaches?”

          We hate it BECAUSE we DO know what it teaches.

        • moneekwa

          “Why are 20,000 Americans converting to Islam every year since 9/11?”

          they aren’t. muslims are coming here in droves. muslim men have up to 4 wives who have WAAAAY more children (and interestingly the higher education levels are the lower birthrates are) so it isn’t mainly converts, it’s babies and added immigrants. and a lot of the converts are in prisons, and just join for the special meals and privileges (eg the aurora shooter is a new muslim) so look at the types it attracts.

          “Why was their a jump 74 percent of mosques in America since 9/11?”

          because the saudis are pouring in billions of dollars to build mega-mosques in areas that have few muslims, and adequate mosques to service those few muslims. i’m still not clear who will attend those 200 million square foot facilities, but i do notice some are centrally located between the jamaat al-fuqra camps, which are known for their threatening brand of secrecy and a lot of pop-pop-pop and boom sounds.

          “Their [sic] Must be something different about Islam then any other religion.”

          Yes, it’s actually a theocratic fascist political system that forces conversions and executes those who want to leave it.
          “Have you ever sat down and read the Quran?”

          Yup. cover to cover, and i’m well aware that the “peace and love” verses are abrogated by the later “kill the infidels wherever you find them, smite their necks and smite off all their fingertips” type verses. and go ahead and deny that, but then you are an apostate because the quran says allaah can do it.

          “I challenge you to just go to YouTube or Google and listen to an Islamic lecture and learn what it is that this media is fighting.”

          ok, here’s one: “the proper way to beat your wife” including the highlights of it HONORING her to beat her, that a SHORT ROD would be a good way to do it, and really the only time he should beat her is if she IS NOT IN THE MOOD FOR SEX right when he demands it.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abuEX3fzloQ

          and i must say there were a plethora on youtube just typing in “how to beat your wife”, but another good search is “eid al-adha” if you want to see people laughing at dying animals after their throats are slit and blood flowing in the street as the terrified animals struggle and choke on their own blood.

          i have no problem with media fighting that, and i oppose the ideology (though i care about the people especially the women and kids) knowing full well what it teaches.

    • Chez

      YOSR: “We are in the land of free and people are choosing Islam.”

      Wrong. While there are a few converts here and there, the exponential growth of the Muslim community in America is overwhelmingly because of immigration. So why is it that America and Europe are being inundated by Muslim immigrants? Answer: Because Muslims flee the depredations and oppression of their own stultified societies to bask in the dynamism and opportunities that exist in the non-Muslim world.

      • Drakken

        The problem is that the muslims coming here want to turn our western societies into the cesspools they came from.

      • Yosr

        1. 20,000 converts to Islam a year in USA is not a few.
        2. This is the country of immigrants from the original settlers time of colonist.
        3. From the colonist till today people fled their countries for different reasons the colonist came for religious freedom, just like many other people that fled to this country.
        4. Why do you have a problem with Immigration now, you or your family were immigrants at some point?
        5. Why do you feel entitled to this country when you were an immigrant just the immigrants coming in today?
        6. Most people that are of Muslim faith that have made it into this country in the last 30-50 yrs were of the highly educated or highly successful. This why they were granted visas into this country because they are more of a benefit then a burden. Have you been to any hospital or research facility or university in USA and you will see it.
        7. You only get into this country through being really needed like the MDs that work in undeserved areas, or scholarship through universities, or scholarship through a company.
        8. I do not support any Muslim country I believe they are all corrupt however I support Islam because Islam is the truth. Their is a big difference.

        • Chez

          I see. Islam in practice – as manifest in 57 countries worldwide, is “corrupt” as you yourself put it. But If Islam is truth, why is its practical expression “corrupt” all over the world? Why do Muslims prefer infidel lands? Don’t you see how hypocritical and incongruous you are being?

          • Yosr

            Mr. Chez,

            1) Islam is NOT being practiced in any country today be it in the middle-east, or other countries.

            2) Islam I am Talking about was the Islamic State for over 1400 yrs ago. This was abolished in 1900.

            3) Sharia Law dictates: (This is what they scare you of)
            The Islamic leaders used to sleep under a tree with no fear from its people, no security.
            Islamic leaders do not eat until every person under their care eats.
            Islamic leaders do not own more then the poorest person in society.
            Islamic Leaders establish a needy fund and must donate this money out to any individual in need.
            Islamic leaders protect all religions under their rule.
            Islamic leaders are prohibited from spying on their people
            Islam protects rights of women and children.
            Islamic state must support women, and children, orphans fully financially and socially.

            Islamic state must protect all individuals whatever their religion under its rule.

            Their is no country today that satisfies these completely.

            What is so terrifying about this?

          • Chez

            Ahhh yes, the grand Utopian past, when the Prophet Muhammad ordered the murder of the poets who criticized him (Abu Afak, Marwan, and K’ab bibt ashraf), when he ordered the execution all the adult males of the Banu Qurayzah tribe, when he consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was all of nine years old, when he usurped Zainab, his adopted son’s wife, when he ethnically cleansed Arabia of all its Jews. Yes, this was the Utopian past. And the killing has continued ever since, for 1400 years.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I guess only about 5 people in total have ever practiced “real Islam.”

          • Edward

            Yosr, Even your own vaunted “prophet” mohammed/muhammed KILLED people.

            What kind of a “prophet” kills people?

            A SAVAGE illiterate “prophet”.

            The SAVAGE mohammed would be arrested and executed if he pulled that crap today.

            Your sunni/shiites would be competing with each other to see who could “off” mohammed first – thinking that Mo was the wrong kind of Muslim.

            I don’t see Hindus/Buddhists/BaHais/Jews/Christians/Zoroastrians hijacking passenger planes and flying them into buildings.

          • moneekwa

            so you support the global caliphate then, i see.
            we must recall that “poorest person” and “individual in need” refers to MUSLIMS only, infidels not at all.
            by “protect all religions” you mean infidels (and only people of the book, not atheists or other polytheists) can live under the “protection” of the dhimma pact, whereby they pay a fine to keep their heads for the year, and if they do not in every way show themselves humbled and subservient to their betters (any muslim) the pact is broken and they can be annihilated? by “protect the rights of women and children” you mean marrying daughters before puberty, like aisha, only inheriting half what males do, wear a sack over their face, and never leave home without permission or an escort, be forbidden to so much as speak to unrelated males, and required to prove rape via 4 male witnesses, and be set aside or be beaten if she refuses to drop everything the moment her husband asks for sex? because that is how the quran, ahadith, and sunnah tell us those play out in pure islam.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Islamic leaders do not eat until every person under their care eats.”

            You’re the same kind of Muslim as POTUS. Completely delusional.

          • Edward

            Islamic leaders sleep – with no fear from its people?

            That’s why Saddam Hussein, Moamar Ghdaffi, Morsi, Bhuttos of Pakistan, King Faisal of Saudi Arabia are dead or under arrest?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “1. 20,000 converts to Islam a year in USA is not a few.’

          How many are converted in prison because Islam suits their present criminal lifestyle? I think that accounts for most of your converts.

          • Yosr

            Have you been to a mosque and see your average convert? Mostly educated people.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Have you been to a mosque and see your average convert? Mostly educated people.”

            Obviously not educated enough. You’re also full of BS with your other “convert” narratives. You don’t even know what a cult is. You’re like a fish who doesn’t understand what exists outside of the water.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Have you been to a mosque and see your average convert? Mostly educated people.”

            So how many of those “20,000″ are in prison?

          • Drakken

            The convert is nothing more than future cannon fodder.

        • Jakareh

          The Muslims among us have very special skills, like running a convenience store. Or they are Somali pirate scum the U.N. designated as “refugees”. There are a few third-rate Muslim MDs, but if they all decamped back to Karachi, our health care system (the most advanced in the world) would go on humming right along. Hell, it would probably cut the incidence of malpractice by half. According to a Muslim researcher, Ilyas Ba Yunus, 75 percent of converts leave Islam. Only the scum of the scum sticks with your death cult. Go to hell and send my greetings to Muhammad.

          • Yosr

            Peace be upon you,

            You must remember God decides who goes to hell or heaven.

            I don’t recall you being God so keep your assumptions to your self about where I will end up.

            In the end you will always find people that are hard headed and arrogant and ignorant and that is fine. Just like I told you Islam started as a religion of strangers 1 Man not very popular. The prophet PBUH own society did not accept him.

            Being popular does not make you right or winning in this life, what matters is the hereafter and as a Muslim that’s what we strive for. Every time someone curses me here only reassures me that Islam is the true last revelations.

            Even if you watch Glen Beck the biggest enemy of Islam, he had a clip about Islam and on his clip he said that Muslims and Islam will finally be successful because they have the correct belief in God.

            Basic principals of Islam

            We believe in 1 GOD
            We believe in prophets from Adam, Abraham, Jesus all the way to Final message Mohammed .
            We believe in angles, and Satan.

            Peace be upon you,

            If any one wants more information please feel free to email me with you questions.

          • Jakareh

            It’s much more decent to tell someone to go to hell and mean it sincerely than to keep repeating, “peace be upon you” when it’s as fake as a three-dollar bill. BTW, no one here buys that Islam is peace. Islam is oppression, ugliness, hypocrisy, mistreatment of women, pedophilia, and lies. The Taliban are perfect Muslims.

    • Drakken

      You won’t be thanking us infidels in the not too distant future when we start playing cowboys and muslims, as for the brain damaged, lost souls and weak minded who converted to the devils calling, they will pay the price for their treachery.

      • Yosr

        See Islam teaches us that Only God has the power to guide peoples hearts and minds.

        If you think Islam is the problem then I suggest for you to read or listen to what Islam teaches from the Quran or Islamic lecture. Once you know what Islam teaches you will be better suited to fight the spread of Islam.

        So write down what you learn and think about it.

        I am asking any one with deep hatred to Islam to just pick up the quran or listen to Islamic lecture if you don’t believe in it you have nothing to fear.

        • Drakken

          You worship the devil himself, and that evil pedophile false prophet Mohamed(may you pizz on his dusty bones) is an abomination to humanity. I have read the devils book the kroan(spit) and the hadiths and siras that go with it, anti-humanity at its worst. I despise islam and what it has done to the human condition everywhere islam plants its bloody footprints. Wherever islam goes, blood always flows, without exception. You muslims are going to push us to the brink and we shall give you the Balkans on steroids for your trouble.

          • Yosr

            Thanks for your understanding;

            Well I do not worship the devil. If you read the Quran or anything about Islam you would know that.

            As a Muslim we worship same God Christians and Jews worship.

            As a Muslim we worship 1 God.

            Maybe its time to refresh you knowledge. I only wish the best for all people and wish peace and guidance from God to all of us.

          • Edward

            We learned plenty about Islam on 9/11/01.

            That the Islamic Republic of Pakistan harbored Osama bin Laden – until the US Navy Seals brought your savage to justice.

            I only wish that the US treated OBL, as Muslims treated Ghadaffi of Libya.

            Put his corpse on display, spit on him, throw shoes on him.

            Stupidly, the US buried that pig at sea.

            I hope the US dumped your OBL into the sea, let the sharks tear at his carcass, and yanked him back and put his head on a shelf at the Skull and Bones.

          • moneekwa

            you do NOT worship the same G-d. YHWH is utterly different in character from your allaah. you don’t believe in the divinity of Christ, or His crucifixion. YHWH says “this is my Son” of Christ, allaah has no son. CAN NOT POSSIBLY be the same deity. also ours doesn’t lie and yours is “greatest of deceivers”. nice try though.

          • Yosr

            Your right in that we do not believe in that God has a son. We believe Jesus was a Prophet with the right message.

            We believe in 1 god who sent his message to different prophets from Adam down to Jesus and Mohamed.

            I have a few questions for you? You believe Jesus was Son of God (divine character) and being crucified?

            How can a person be son of god (Divine Character) and a human being (Not divine) at the same time?

            Being Son of god means he is divine, which means he is a greater power not in need of sustenance which means he does not need any food or water and does not have to defecate and death does not come to him.

            We know that he did eat and drink, we know he did defecate and according to you he was crucified which means he was killed. ALL of these are not Son of God (Divine Character)….These are in no way divine character…???

            Can some one explain to me how your Son of God (Divine character) and all of your character was human not divine at the same time??? This is like total exact opposites?

          • Drakken

            YOU devil worshipper do not in any way shape or form, worship the same God as us Christians or Jews. Period! I have read that god*** devils book the Koran(spit)and the hadiths and siras that go with it. You and others of your ilk, are incompatible with us in the west and diametrically opposite of what we believe. To say otherwise is a lie.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Well I do not worship the devil. If you read the Quran or anything about Islam you would know that.”

            We understand that you are not aware of the true identity of Allah, Mohamed’s alter ego.

            “You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”

            Satan has nothing to do with the truth. He doesn’t have his own “Satanic Bible.” The Koran is what he calls it. That is what you call it too. You preach from Satan’s book because you are deceived.

            But you have been indoctrinated or conditioned to avoid thinking consciously about that possibility. You might be lost forever. It’s up to you to break free enough to even consider objective evidence.

        • Edward

          Current day Islam demonstrates that Satan has corrupted Islam.

          100,000+ dead. Muslims killing Muslims.

          See anything wrong with that?

          How can Muslims get along with NON-Muslims, if Muslims HATE fellow Muslims – to the point of bombing mosques, bombing funerals, killing Muslim children, engaging in actual cannibalism as when the Syrian cut out and ate the heart of another Muslim.

        • moneekwa

          the problem you are encountering is most of us here HAVE read it and studied it, so we won’t be taken in by your taqiyya.

    • TruthWFree

      A religion that tells its followers (supposedly from your allah) to kill and subjugate unbelievers is a sick evil religion (Sura 9-5, 9-29, 2-193). Also 5-51 says to not make friends of Christians and Jews. If you do not believe these parts of your Quran then you need to leave your evil hateful sick religion. The evidence is all around that Islamic killers act on those hateful passages. Jesus Chist is the only way to the Father. Leave you evil hate filled religion and come to the love and forgiveness of Jesus Christ, One in Being with the Father (and the Father is not your allah).

      • Yosr

        Peace be upon,

        Well to really understand these verses you need to dig a little deeper.

        1)The Quran was revealed over many years to the Muslims.

        2) Example: Forbidding alcohol happened in stages so initially it was just during prayers and eventually alcohol was band. Now if you only read the Islamic text at the time alcohol was being band then you could say at this earlier stage alcohol is not banned and then you could read a later text and say alcohol is banned.

        3) So before you just pick up a random text out of the Quran you need to know what the context of that verse were and what stage the Muslims were in.

        4) Muslims believe in 1 God same God that Christians and Jews believe in.

        5) Muslims believe in the bible, Jesus and and the torah.

        • iluvisrael

          no, moslems believe in ABROGATION – the newer, very violent parts of the koran cancel out older suras – you should know a lot of us here know plenty about your ‘religion’

          • Yosr

            We do believe in Abrogation in some instances. That was my point my other point is you have to look at the context of time. We also look at the quran in the time it was revealed.
            Some parts of the quran were revealed to the prophet while he was in trials and tribulations very specific to that moment. So if he was in a state of war verses time of peace he would have different revelation.

            See we see the Prophet PBUH and Islam as an answer to life not a religion. So the quran addresses all aspects of life from divorce, marriage, manners, cleanliness, social issues, sex, education, finance, wealth, how to run a government, state of peace and state of war, prayer, worship, and much more that I can’t complete here.

          • Yosr

            Well we do believe in Abrogation in some parts. We also look at the quran at the time the quran was revealed. Many verses were revealed during the prophets PBUH trial and tribulations. So you will get complete different verse depending if the prophet was in time of peace or time of war.

            Islam is a complete system so if you only pick one verse it wont work. You have to look at it as a whole because it is applied to all aspects of life from social, financial, statehood, marriage, divorce, sex, times of peace and times of war and all topics of life.

          • alihusaini

            What a joke.People here read a book or two by goofballs like Spencer or Geller and all of a sudden you guys “know” all about Islam and Muslims.You people don’t even know about your own religion let alone another.I mean come on,White Trash knowing anything but beer,guns and uh huh,your dogs is ridiculous.

          • iluvisrael

            listen up you inbred pedophile lover – I’ve read the koran and know all about the bloodthirsty cult that is islam – and the rest of the world has caught onto the savage aggression that all you muzzies love. In fact, most of us learned all we need the know about your cesspool of a religion on 9-11. Too late accchhhhhmed – we’ve got your number.

          • alihusaini

            Boooo!!!Pencil-dick!

          • iluvisrael

            As much fun as it is to chat with you, I’ve got a life. BTW, you sound like you just might be retarded – you poor thing.

          • alihusaini

            Nope,but by reading your posts,an imbecile can tell you are the retard.But I am off today,so I have time to read and post.

        • Edward

          Yosr,

          We already know about Taqiyya.

          Lying to advance jihad.

          Take your taqiyya and shove it where the Sun don’t shine.

          We see your pious leaders slamming their heads on the pavement until the skin on their forehead is black and blue and bloody, and their brains scrambled from serial concussions.

          Hey. Maybe that’s the problem with you. Early Dementia from all those concussions.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “4) Muslims believe in 1 God same God that Christians and Jews believe in. 5) Muslims believe in the bible, Jesus and and the torah.”

          Muslims believe that while also claiming that Christians and Jews believe in Allah but distorted their own texts. Muslims claim to correct everyone and everything because their own worldview clashes with everyone else’s, and modern archaeology proves it is Islam that is fraudulent.

          This only shows just how comprehensively Islam tries to lie about everything.

        • Drakken

          Booze proves to us that God loves us and wants us to be happy, unlike you miseable f***** mudslimes.

          • alihusaini

            Suck it peter eater!!

    • Edward

      Yosr,

      I hope you are on hajj to see the nuking of the kabba.

      P.S. When you get to Satans home, say Hi to your prophet for me.

      • Yosr

        See the truth is when people resort to emotions like you are doing right now is the problem in our society. You cant have a respectful conversation about religion without cursing another persons religion. The problem is your emotions are trying to cover your lack of confidence and belief in your own belief.

        Do you Really represent Jesus and his character?

        I thought jesus taught you to Turn the cheek and you curse other religions.

        See I started my conversation with Peace be Upon you and that is how I will end my conversation.

        You see Islam started as a religion of strangers of 1 man and his wife, not popular at all. And it will end as the religion of strangers. I will probably have allot of down marks and that is great!

        God is the one that created everything!
        God is the one that guides the hearts of his people!
        God does not need your support!

        Peace be upon you,

        A Muslim

        • Edward

          Yosr, Your fraudulent “peace be upon you” are empty words.

          We KNOW about Taqiyya.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

          My reply is: NAKBA Be Upon You.

        • Drakken

          Jesus said to turn the other cheek in everyday interaction, not letting you savage muslims slaughter us with impunity. Deo Volente!

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    Brilliant … it reminds me of this article at American Thinker on anti-anti-Islam:
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/anti-anti-islam.html

  • GregHamilton

    The position adopted by the left/liberal/progressives with regard to Islam has baffled me for years. I think you’re right that intellectual fashion plays a large part in it. I’ve tried to frame the problem in terms of the transition from a Ptolemaic model of the universe to a post-Galileo model with all the attempts to get people like Galileo to deny demonstrable facts.

    You can read the essay here:

    http://malsi-tung.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/refusing-galileos-telescope.html

    • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

      Correct take on Islam and its denial by our elites. It will take a Copernican revolution, or paradigm shift, to see Islam as it really is.

      • GregHamilton

        Exactly. In my essay I try to identify the missing link in the thinking of so many. Judging by your own writing, Jason, I think you will find my essay of some interest.

  • Chez

    “Communism in Europe eventually fell – no thanks to Sontag and her ilk. As for the diehard anti-anti-Communists, did they show contrition? Au contraire: they got busy denying Reagan’s role in this revolution, making an icon, instead, out of Mikhail Gorbachev – even though he’d only wanted to “reform” Communism.”

    Well, I once watched a seminar in which none other than William F Buckley join the others in defining Gorbachev as the chief un-doer of the Soviet Union and specifying Reagan’s role as inconsequential. Such is the power and extent of left-wing, historical revisionism that a conservative icon like Buckley would buy into it.

    As for Bruce’s final question. I don’t see it happening. Most Muslims are endowed with a quality that the Soviets lacked….and that quality is brown skin. In the inverted racism of the liberal ethos and nomenclature, this makes them virtuous in a way that transcends any and all rational analysis.

    • Nils_Svendsen

      If the nazis where black, it would’ve been racist to be anti-nazi…

      • Edward

        Black nazis?

        They exist.

        nation of islam

        sinister louie farraklan
        new black panther party
        rev. wright

      • objectivefactsmatter

        If they hadn’t attacked the Soviets, you’d be called a racist for criticizing German National Socialists.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “Well, I once watched a seminar in which none other than William F Buckley join the others in defining Gorbachev as the chief un-doer of the Soviet Union and specifying Reagan’s role as inconsequential. Such is the power and extent of left-wing, historical revisionism that a conservative icon like Buckley would buy into it.”

      Without Reagan, there is no way anyone like Gorbachev would have been leading the Soviet Union. And anyone other than Reagan would probably not have taken a hard line, forcing Gorbachev in to a corner.

      Did Gorbachev play his role? Yes. It wasn’t his grand plan though.

      Reagan planned the whole thing, if not every last detail. Obviously Reagan could not be the sole actor (no pun intended). So these people are essentially full of BS.

      It’s like making a hero out of a criminal that got arrested (and then cooperated a little) after a difficult investigation and we ignore the chief investigator. Reagan drove the process. That’s the bottom line. Anyone that denies this is a delusional liar.

  • Gayle Spencer

    Geller and Spencer et alia are today’s John Birch Society (an org. which still exists today because collectivism continues in its full-steam-ahead mode).

    The JBS had it right all along. Geller and Spencer have it right all along as well.

  • Everett Vulgamore

    it sucks, because if people were to try and stop the plague known as islam, they would be called out as a racist by everyone and their mother after listening to CNN and MSNBC. i f***ing hate liberal media

    • Edward

      They ain’t “liberal”.

      They’re socialists.

      • Everett Vulgamore

        damn strait

      • Mavex

        and probably cultural marxist.

      • R E

        Yep, calling them liberal pisses me off too. Once I thought they (US liberals) were welfare state socialists or social democrats like here in Europe, but once they got their socialism they ventured into multiculturalism and who knows what after that. Revolution is the cause after all.

        At present European social democrats appear to be much more moderate than American ‘liberals’ but they are getting crazier by the PCMC themes and racialism coming from US.

        Even communists – there are some small openly communist parties in Europe – are willing to engage into somewhat rational debates about theory and practice of socialism and capitalism.

  • herb benty

    Gellar and Spencer are like Paul Revere and Betsey Ross. All these “moderate” muslims are a Trojan Horse waiting to be activated.

    • alihusaini

      That’s right,so watch out little boy!

      • herb benty

        I’m a logger and tug-boater, I hunt big game and there are millions of us, This is our homeland that we carved out. Bring it on slime ball.

  • Newspaniard

    @Yosr: I have read most of the comments below and for at least a decade read the opposing views on your terrible death cult. In most of your replies you come to the circular argument that critics should “read the koran”. The argument further goes that if one still remains a critic, one should read it in the “original” Arabic. Still not convinced and cite examples of its madness then the argument is made that it is quoted “out of context” and so it goes on. Luckily for me I have read Robert Spencer’s exhaustive enquiry book “Did Muhammad Exist?” (Spoiler here) It concludes that there was a trader called Muhammad at the time but from that point most is myth and fantasy invented by succeeding sheiks who wished to control their “people” (Arabs). The (hate book) koran was written in a non-Arabic language based on Christian liturgy 200 years AFTER the death of big Mo since then it has been honed and re-written many times. I could go on but safe to say, your comments are based on ignorance, so I forgive you as long as you see the light and become an atheist.

    • Yosr

      1) The original language Quran was revealed in Arabic. Its memorized by billions in Arabic the original language and text. It has been translated to all languages now. But only the Original Arabic is what we consider a Quran not the translations. We in no way consider a translation the quran itself. Only the Arabic text is the Quran. That is why billions of people that speak different languages from USA to Malaysia memorized it in the original Arabic!

      2) If you are an atheist I pray that you believe in science and facts. I have some for you. This is what made a Muslim because after reading scientific miracles I had no choice but to believe. This is what makes the quran itself a miracle verses all the previous text like bible. See whats amazing about Islam is the Quran is its best defense. I don’t have to defend Islam with emotions just with what it say’s.

      In the Quran which was written 1400 yrs ago it spoke of many scientific evidences that are now proven to be true. Only a divine source would have know such a thing 1400 yrs ago. These are just a few of the hundreds of examples. All I ask you is to disprove 1 scientific fact in the quran and I will become an atheist.

      1)Mountains
      This is how the Quran has described mountains. God has said in the Quran:

      “Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs?” (Quran 78:6-7)
      “And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you…” (Quran 16:15)

      Modern earth sciences have proven that mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground and that these roots can reach several times their elevations above the surface of the ground.[2] So the most suitable word to describe mountains on the basis of this information is the word ‘peg,’ since most of a properly set peg is hidden under the surface of the ground. The history of science tells us that the theory of mountains having deep roots was introduced only in the latter half of the nineteenth century. This knowledge about the role of mountains as stabilizers for the earth has just begun to be understood in the framework of plate tectonics since the late 1960’s.

      2) Explains how two water masses don’t mix when they meet!!!

      The Holy Quran mentioned that there is a barrier between two seas that meet and that they do not transgress. God has said:

      “He has set free the two seas meeting together. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress.” (Quran 55:19-20)

      “He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition.” (Quran 25:53)

      Modern Science has discovered that in the places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity, and density.[1] For example, Mediterranean sea water is warm, saline, and less dense, compared to Atlantic ocean water.
      Although there are large waves, strong currents, and tides in these seas, they do not mix or transgress this barrier. This information has been discovered only recently, using advanced equipment to measure temperature, salinity, density, oxygen dissolubility, etc.

      3) Prefontal area discribed in the quran.

      “No! If he does not stop, We will take him by the naseyah (front of the head), a lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)!” (Quran 96:15-16)

      So, this area of the cerebrum is responsible for planning, motivating, and initiating good and sinful behavior and is responsible for the telling of lies and the speaking of truth. Thus, it is proper to describe the front of the head as lying and sinful when someone lies or commits a sin, as the Quran has said, “…A lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)!”

      Scientists have only discovered these functions of the prefrontal area in the last sixty years, according to Professor Keith L. Moore.[3

      4) Origin of Life discribed in Quran

      Water is essential for all living things. We all know that water is vital to life but the Quran makes a very unusual claim:

      “We made every living thing from water? Will they not believe? “(Quran 21:30)

      In this verse water is pointed out as the origin of all life. All living things are made of cells. We now know that cells are mostly made up of water[3]. For example, 80% of the cytoplasm (basic cell material) of a standard animal cell is described as water in biology textbooks.

      The fact that living things consist mostly of water was discovered only after the invention of the microscope. In the deserts of Arabia, the last thing someone would have guessed is that all life came from water.

      5) Iron

      Iron is not natural to the earth. It did not form on the earth but came down to earth from outer space. This may sound strange but it’s true. Scientists have found that billions of years ago the earth was stuck by meteorites. These meteorites were carrying Iron from distant stars which had exploded[4].

      The Quran says the following on the origin of Iron:

      “We sent down Iron with its great inherent strength and its many benefits for humankind.” (Quran 57:25)

      God uses the words ‘sent down’ for Iron. It is clear from the verse that Iron is not an earthly material, but was sent down for the benefit of humanity. The fact that Iron came down to earth from outer space is something which could not be known by the primitive science of the 7th century.

      6) Sun’s Orbit in the quran

      In 1512 the astronomer Nicholas Copernicus put forward his theory that the Sun is motionless at the centre of the solar system, and that the planets revolve around it. The belief that the Sun is stationary was widespread amongst astronomers until the 20th century. It is now a well-established scientific fact that the Sun is not stationary, but is moving in an orbit around the centre of our Milky Way galaxy[7].

      The Quran mentions the orbit of the Sun:

      “It is He who created night and day, the Sun and the Moon, each floating in its orbit.” (Quran 21:33)

      The Quran would have been wrong according to astronomers just a couple of decades ago. But we now know that the Quranic account of the Sun’s motion is consistent with modern Astronomy.

      These are just some of the many scientific facts found in the Quran. It is important to note that the Quran is not a book of science, but that it is consistent with science. To claim that scientific facts in the Quran are due to coincidence would be irrational. The best explanation is that God revealed this knowledge to the Prophet Muhammad.

      Just like the Quran contains knowledge about the natural world, it also contains information about the inner dimensions of our souls. It relates to our feelings, wants and needs. The Quran informs us that we have a purpose in life, and that following God’s guidance will lead us to inner peace in this life, and Paradise in the hereafter. And that rejection of his message will lead to depression in this life and Hellfire after death.

      “We shall show them Our signs in the Universe and within themselves, until it becomes clear to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that your Lord is the witness of all things?” (Quran 41:53)

      In the end I wish you all the very best. What you choose is up to you. What made me a Muslim is that I have no doubt that this quran is from God and the final message. These are just a few of the miracles of the quran. How can a person deny something when it is factually true? How could a man 1400 yrs ago know these things? Scholarly books written by PHDs, scientific books are changed every year because new knowledge comes out that nullifies the previous. HOW could a man write a book 1400 yrs ago and every single line, every single word with hundreds of scientific ascertains all be consistently proven today?

      May GOD Guide Us All
      Peace be upon you,

      • Newspaniard

        Same old same old… I’m not even going to try and answer this nonsense, all the quotes you make are from your hate book and no other source. There is just one thing about the “original” being written in Arabic… I am told that within the text is a quotation which says “this book is the original and was written in Arabic”. It would seem that the translators who produced this vile publication felt the need to practise their taqiyya even while drafting it. What other author of any book finds the need within any text to tell the reader what language it was written in, especially one written directly by your mythical god?

        • Yosr

          The problem you have is your filled with hatred and arrogance.

          If I told 1 +1 = 2 you would continue to run in circles and deny it. I refuse to waste my time with you. This is my last point.

          Islam: is a Pure religion
          Muslims: 1.5 billion of them all live across the world with different upbringings and society.

          1 Muslim Indonesian does not represent 1 Muslim in USA.

          Same with all religions

          Everyday people their are christian all over the world commit crimes and are in prison (how many Christians in american prisons? (millions) and they do not speak for the rest of Christians in the rest of the world? WHY Don’t we have news media every day just showing every single christian crime ??? So every time a christian in Switzerland goes to prison Christians all over the world are bad? Is their a problem with Christianity the religion or is their a problem with the people?
          So then if we have millions of Christians in USA prisons we need to deport them?
          Every time a Christian commits a crime in the world we need to have months of news coverage about how Christianity is a bad religion?

          This is the rhetoric allot of people use which I do not like.
          I believe each individual person speaks for themselves and not for another individual across the world!!!

          Sincerly,
          Peace be upon you

          • Newspaniard

            Science in the Arab World ceased when sheik whatever-his-name-was decided to invent a religion called islam and dug up an obscure book, massaged it and said that anyone who didn’t believe would die. The religion of peace was born and we have all suffered since. If islam had not been invented, the west would still be in woad while the Arabs would be colonizing the Moon. Alas for us and science, the sheiks said that what was in their hate book was sufficient, all the science which was known by their mythical prophet was enough so scientific investigation halted for centuries. (The last thing the christian church wanted was progress, it might mean the end of their hold on the uneducated, hence the witch trials etc). Now look at the mess we have 1.5 billion who either worship or are told to worship a god invented in the 6th century and are told to kill or enslave all non-believers or die trying. You only have to look at Syria or Egypt and see that as they have nearly run out of non-muslims to exterminate, they have started on muslims who slightly don’t agree with the interpretation of their death scrolls. They have worked themselves up into a frenzy of envy for the way the west has progressed that they are already invading and plundering in large numbers and will; continue to do so until they have destroyed the object of their envy. Don’t give me the cr@p about this is not the REAL islam, that’s what the taliban say when they go around torturing and slaying so-called “peaceful muslims” although that expression, in itself is an oxymoron. I’m not surprised you don’t want any more discussions, your arguments are thin, circular and rely solely on your hate book. I am aware that murder of the west is plotted and that there is nothing I can do about it apart from use my pen. My life is now over so my pity lies with my heirs and successors who are being betrayed by their quisling political masters with statements like “islam is a religion of peace” when it is neither a religion (it is a fascist ideology) nor has it known peace for 1400 plus years.

          • Yosr

            Islam: is a Pure religion
            Muslims: 1.5 billion of them all live across the world with different upbringings and society.

            1 Muslim Indonesian does not represent 1 Muslim in USA.

            1 Christian in USA does not represent 1 Christian in Nigeria.

            Same with all religions

            Everyday their are christian all over the world commit crimes and are in prison (how many Christians are in american prisons? (millions) and they do not speak for the rest of Christians in the rest of the world? WHY Don’t we have news media every day just showing every single christian crime ???
            So every time a christian in Switzerland goes to prison Christians all over the world are bad?
            Is their 10 media outlets that just publicize every crime a christian commits all over the world every single day?

            Is their a problem with Christianity the religion or is their a problem with the individual people?

            So then if we have millions of Christians in USA prisons do we need to deport them?
            Every time a Christian commits a crime in the world do we need to have months of news coverage about how Christianity is a bad religion?

            This is the rhetoric allot of the media that’s just used towards Islam.
            I believe each individual person speaks for themselves and not for another individual across the world!!!

          • Newspaniard

            Whatever you believe, your imam probably won’t agree and frankly, I don’t care. If a single muslim decides he has had enough of this cr@p and decides to opt out, he is shunned by his family and peers and threatened with death, even in western countries, never mind the barbaric islamic ones. My questions for you are, “Why bother, isn’t life too short to clutter it up with religion? Have you got nothing better to do?”. Get a REAL life without some religious bigot continually telling you what to do and say.

          • Yosr

            See I was born in Muslim family and then left for college and I lost most of my Islamic belief (enjoying every minute of this life) until a year ago and a friend sent me a link to read and it was the quran and translations of the scientific miracles, that was truly when I realized that the Quran was the truth. This was the moment I knew this was it and from then on I would change my life (I quit drinking, girlfriend, the whole party life gone, started to pray, fast, donate my money to the poor). I am deep when it comes to knowledge (hard to convince) and when I kept reading those verses I felt like I could not deny it any more. I researched every verse with scientific teachings and found it all to be true. Just listening to the quran now brings peace to my ears. I am allot more at peace with my self trying to please god and no one else. The party life or to live a life style where you try to enjoy every minute becomes old and depressing. I would never go back to my old life style. Islam truly improved my life to a higher and better standard. The love that I have for Islam is what makes me hope I could pass this along.

          • Newspaniard

            I too enjoy a good book but when it is finished and I’m sad that it’s over, I just go and look for another, I certainly don’t base my life on it, that way madness lies. I would not
            presume to discuss the finer points of your hate book but I did read the following the other day Quote:

            The Quran does not have a single verse encouraging love towards those outside of Islam. But there are 493 passages that either endorse violence or talk about the hatred of Allah for the infidels, meaning all non-Muslims
            Unquote.

          • Drakken

            So your one of those jihadi ready suicide bombers waiting for the word huh haji?

          • Yosr

            I don’t know why I waste my time with you. However ever since I became more devout Muslim I became a better person and alot more focused. I donate a percentage of my income to the poor. I am alot more humble because I know what matters is going to heaven not what you think. Nothing really upsets me anymore because Islam teaches that everything that happens whether its good or bad it is from God. Like lets say you have cancer we believe its a test from God or a way for God to give you heaven (every time you have pain your sins are being take away). I also became more educated I started to read alot more, because at the time of the islamic empire their was a library on every street. Many scholars would travel thousands of miles to get educated. So I truly understand the benefit of knowledge. I work alot harder and better because Islam teaches us the gold does not drop from the sky and that we need to earn our own living. I try not to offend anyone because Islam teaches us that everything we do is seen by God and we will be punished for any bad sins we commit. So this is just a few things that sum my life…..

          • Drakken

            I am sure the devil loves you giving him his due. Your worship of the devil is anything but holy.

          • Yosr

            You keep going back to being irrational and that is great!

            May god guide us all.

          • moneekwa

            now hold on there! translations??? i thought you said if it was translated it isn’t the quran!!! so you lied, or you followed a non-quran.

          • Yosr

            1) For the claims that you make please send me the verses that you speak of so I could do my research into this. the verse number please so I could look it up.

            2) The reason I put the English translation because that is the closest that you could get to the quran and that you will understand.

            3) The reason the quran is only the Arabic text is because their is never a time where every word in a language has an exact word in another language. Some times 1 word in Arabic might take 20 words in English to describe and vise versa.

      • moneekwa

        “All I ask you is to disprove 1 scientific fact in the quran and I will become an atheist.”

        buy one, get one free:
        1) the sun does NOT set in a pool of mud but the quran says it does
        2) sperm does NOT originate near the spine but the quran says it does

        bonus:
        3) i can’t prove this, but i’m reasonably certain mohammed never rode into space on a flying donkey either.

        • Yosr

          1) For the claims that you make please send me the verses that you speak of so I could do my research into this. The verse number please so I could look it up. I know their is no verses from the quran that say this however I am always open to something I do not know.

          2) The reason I put the English translation because that is the closest that you could get to the quran and that you will understand.

          3) The reason the quran is only the Arabic text is because their is never a time where every word in a language has an exact word in another language. Some times 1 word in Arabic might take 20 words in English to describe and vise versa.

      • ebonystone

        First, I doubt that “billions” have memorized the Koran in Arabic; there are only ca. 1.4 billion Moslems, and likely less than 10 % of them have memorized the Koran, so that’s only 140 million at most. And then, for the majority that do not speak Arabic, they haven’t really memorized the Koran, they have merely memorized a long series of sounds that are meaningless to them. Rather like an English-speaking opera singer who memorizes the lines from a Russian opera.

        • Yosr

          You are correct about 1.4 billion Mulsims.
          Using your numbers:
          10 percent memorized it completely.
          20-30 per Muslims memorized most of it.
          20-50 per Muslims memorized parts of it.

          In the end the only book till this date of all humanity that if you burned every written or print copy could be rewritten down to the letter by letter.

          Also if an individual does memorize the quran he or she has to read it completely in front of 2 independent people that are certified that they have memorized it. The chain of memorization for each person memorizing the whole book goes back to the Prophet PBUH.

          The Quran is also the only book memorized in its original language.

          The Quran is also the only book memorized in its original language and the original language is still a dominate spoken language in the world. All other books are like torah and Bible in languages the world no longer understands. So the bible was translated through many different languages where you loose meaning every time it is translated.

          Schools that teach Quran memorization also teach its understanding of the verses. We also have scholars that have written their understandings of the verses in the other languages and translations.

      • ebonystone

        ” In the deserts of Arabia, the last thing someone would have guessed is that all life came from water.”

        Actually, it’s probably the first thing one would have guessed. It wouldn’t take too many smarts to notice that the desert is pretty barren of life, with only the watery oases being centers of life.

        • Yosr

          Well the concept that things were created from water came when the invention of the microscope and the understanding of cells. This didn’t happen till 1900 s. Using the microscope we now know cells are made of predominantly water.

  • Mavex

    Communism fell? I find that hard to believe since its spawn the cultural marxists who are now trying to destroy our socities still walk among us. I hope you guys start focusing on them soon as well because alot of them are the defenders of Islam.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      The Soviet regime fell. Soviet Communism fell. Not communism.

    • moneekwa

      they’ll be the first beheaded, too.

  • alihusaini

    truly a a dipsh!t.

    • Jakareh

      Your argument, sir, stands at the apex of Muslim intellectual achievement.

      • alihusaini

        My comment reflects what I read.

  • Yosr

    Peace be upon you,

    I always say it with sincerity. However, I have to give it to you, you really bring some comic relief.

    What is interesting is you can’t differentiate Islam from Muslims.

    Islam: is a Pure religion
    Muslims: 1.5 billion of them all live across the world with different upbringings and society.

    1 Muslim Indonesian does not represent 1 Muslim in USA.

    Same with all religions

    Everyday people their are christian all over the world commit crimes and are in prison (how many Christians in american prisons? (millions) and they do not speak for the rest of Christians in the rest of the world? WHY Don’t we have news media every day just showing every single christian crime ???
    So every time a christian in Switzerland goes to prison Christians all over the world are bad? Is their a problem with Christianity the religion or is their a problem with the people?
    So then if we have millions of Christians in USA prisons we need to deport them?
    Every time a Christian commits a crime in the world we need to have months of news coverage about how Christianity is a bad religion?

    This is the rhetoric allot of people use which I do not like.
    I believe each individual person speaks for themselves and not for another individual across the world!!!

    Sincerly,
    Peace be upon you

    • Jakareh

      “Peace be upon you,

      I always say it with sincerity.”

      As Sam Harris says, honesty is the scarcest resource in the Islamic world.

      You keep claiming Islam is “pure”, so I decided to go to the source and bathe in all the “purity”. Here are some highlights, all from the second chapter of the Quran:

      “It is the same whether or not you forewarn them [the
      unbelievers], they will have no faith” (2:6). “God will mock them and
      keep them long in sin, blundering blindly along” (2:15). A fire “whose
      fuel is men and stones” awaits them (2:24). They will be “rewarded with
      disgrace in this world and with grievous punishment on the Day of
      Resurrection” (2:85). “God’s curse be upon the infidels!” (2:89). “They
      have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment
      awaits [them]” (2:90). “God is the enemy of the unbelievers” (2:98).
      “The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Christians and Jews], and
      the pagans, resent that any blessing should have been sent down to you
      from your Lord” (2:105). “They shall be held up to shame in this world
      and sternly punished in the hereafter” (2:114). “Those to whom We [God]
      have given the Book, and who read it as it ought to be read, truly
      believe in it; those that deny it shall assuredly be lost” (2:122).
      “[We] shall let them live awhile, and then shall drag them to the
      scourge of the Fire. Evil shall be their fate” (2:126). “The East and
      the West are God’s. He guides whom He will to a straight path” (2:142).
      “Do not say that those slain in the cause of God are dead. They are
      alive, but you are not aware of them” (2:154). “But the infidels who die
      unbelievers shall incur the curse of God, the angels, and all men.
      Under it they shall remain for ever; their punishment shall not be
      lightened, nor shall they be reprieved” (2:162). “They shall sigh with
      remorse, but shall never come out of the Fire” (2:168). “The unbelievers
      are like beasts which, call out to them as one may, can hear nothing
      but a shout and a cry. Deaf, dumb, and blind, they understand nothing”
      (2:172). “Theirs shall be a woeful punishment” (2:175). “How steadfastly
      they seek the Fire! That is because God has revealed the Book with
      truth; those that disagree about it are in extreme schism” (2:176).
      “Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from
      which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage. . . . f they
      attack you put them to the sword. Thus shall the unbelievers be
      rewarded: but if they desist, God is forgiving and merciful. Fight
      against them until idolatry is no more and God’s religion reigns
      supreme. But if they desist, fight none except the
      evil-doers”(2:190–93). “Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you
      dislike it. But you may hate a thing although it is good for you, and
      love a thing although it is bad for you. God knows, but you know not”
      (2:216). “They will not cease to fight against you until they force you
      to renounce your faith—if they are able. But whoever of you recants and
      dies an unbeliever, his works shall come to nothing in this world and in
      the world to come. Such men shall be the tenants of Hell, wherein they
      shall abide forever. Those that have embraced the Faith, and those that
      have fled their land and fought for the cause of God, may hope for God’s
      mercy” (2:217–18). “God does not guide the evil-doers” (2:258). “God
      does not guide the unbelievers” (2:264). “The evil-doers shall have none
      to help them” (2:270). “God gives guidance to whom He will” (2:272).

      It’s all about hate the infidel, kill the infidel, the infidel is stupid, the infidel is evil. Given Islam’s true nature, as attested by its own scriptures, I wish you were telling the truth when you say no one is practicing it. Islam is pure, all right. Pure shjt.

      • Yosr

        Peace be upon you,

        What you need to understand is Islam is a Way of Life affecting every aspect of you life. Either you accept it in its totality or leave it in its totality.

        So in the quran we are told how to love and fear God at the Same time. The Quran teaches all people what to do and it tells the people what they will get if they do good in this life or if they do bad in this life. The Quran talks about the punishment for the bad Muslims and for the un believers. It talks about hell fire and how its saved for the the people that do bad in this life, bad muslims or non believers. It talks about paradise saved for the people that do good in this life and that are the believers.

        Islam is a complete system not a religon any one can adhere to it or not. Any human being can chose to believe in the whole system or not.

        Its a complete system!

        US law says if you commit murder you will be punished with life in prison or even death and if you do not commit murder you will no have any punishment. This makes a system fair. You need to know what the law is and what the punishments and rewards are. This is what the quran and Islam does but on all issues of life. The only difference is the Quran is the Law from God and US is man made.

        Do you know that any one that becomes Muslim starts with no sins in their life as a new born?

        Do you know that anyone that believed in previous prophets from Adam, Moses and Jesus are all considered believers. People that Islam says will go to heaven.
        Do you know if you live in a time where their is no message and you died God will decide if they were believers.
        Do you know that your destiny is not complete until you die? Do you know you choose your destiny?
        Do you know in Islam every soul is born sin free?
        Do you know that God says that He is more merciful on his people then a Mother on her child?
        In the end God is the one that decides a persons hell of heaven fate and no one else.

        How many systems have that?

        So if you only read the punishments in the US law you would think that the US law is unfair. The Us law says to imprison people for life, and has death penalty, does that make the US law bad? Well if you ignorant to only read that part and forget the other side then their is a problem.

        Peace be upon you,

    • Drakken

      Islam is a blight upon humanity and it always has and always will try to keep mankind in the dark ages until we finally give islam what it so richly deserves. Complete destruction.

  • Yosr

    here are just a few more of the verses from the Quran about Jews and Christians

    [2.40] O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and be faithful to (your) covenant with Me, I will fulfill (My) covenant with you; and of Me, Me alone, should you be afraid.

    [2.47] O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and that I made you excel the nations.

    [2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve

    [2.111] And they say: None sh all enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

    [2.122] O children of Israel, call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and that I made you excel the nations.

    [2.135] And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.

  • Yosr

    Peace be upon you,

    So you are a women’s rights person is that correct?
    Well I have a comparison for you between Islam doctrine 1400 yrs ago verses West in Women’s rights. I will run down all aspects and let you judge. Please just read this with an open mind.

    I want to start with a few verses from the Quran talking about the highly regarded mothers of our society and daughters.

    Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Paradise is at the feet of mothers.” Once a man came to him and asked, “O, Messenger, who among mankind is worthy of my kindness and love?” The Prophet answered, “Your mother.” “Who next?” “Your mother.” “Who next?” “Your mother.” Only after the third time he said, “And your father.”

    Clearly in the eyes of Islam a Mother is held with 3 times the love and respect of a father.

    Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Anyone who has two daughters, and did not bury them, did not insult them and brought them up properly, he and I will be like this,” holding his two fingers close together. Another version adds, “And also did not favor his sons over daughters.” One time the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was seated. A companion was sitting with him. The companion’s son came. He kissed his son and put him on his lap. Then his daughter came, and he just sat her by his side. The Prophet told the man, “You did not do Justice,” meaning he should have treated the daughter equally, kissed her and put her in his lap also. Indeed, whenever the Prophet’s daughter Fatimah came to him, in front of everyone, he stood up, kissed her and let her sit in his favorite place where he’d been sitting.

    Clearly the Prophet understands the importance of women in society.

    Below is the Quran narration of Adam and Eve.

    Nowhere in the Quran do we find any trace of any notion of blaming Eve for the first mistake or for eating from the forbidden tree. Nowhere, even though the Quran speaks about Adam, Eve, and the forbidden tree, but in a totally different spirit. The story is narrated in 7:19-27, and it speaks about both of them doing this, both of them are told that both of them disobeyed, both of them discovered the consequences of their disobedience, both of them seek repentance and both of them are forgiven. Nowhere in the Quran does it say woman is to be blamed for the fall of man. Furthermore, when the Quran speaks about the suffering of women during the period of pregnancy and childbirth, nowhere does it connect it with the concept of original sin, because there is no concept of original sin in Islam. The suffering is presented not as a reason to remind woman of the fall of man, but as a reason to adore and love woman or the mother. In the Quran, especially 31:14, 46:15, it makes it quite clear God has commanded upon mankind to be kind to parents and mentions,

    Here are more differences.

    The Quran makes it clear again to remove any notion of superiority and I refer you again to 49:13. I must caution you that there are some mistaken translations, but if you go to the original Arabic, there is no question of gender being involved.

    In terms of moral, spiritual duties, acts of worship, the requirements of men and women are the same, except in some cases when women have certain concessions because of their feminine nature, or their health or the health of their babies.

    The Quran explicitly, in more than one verse, 3:195, 4:124, specified that whoever does good deeds, and is a believer and then specifies “male or female” God will give them an abundant reward.

    In the area of economic rights, we have to remember that in Europe until the 19th century, women did not have the right to own their own property. When they were married, either it would transfer to the husband or she would not be able to dispense of it without permission of her husband. In Britain, perhaps the first country to give women some property rights, laws were passed in the 1860′s known as “Married Women Property Act.” More than 1300 years earlier, that right was clearly established in Islamic law.

    “Whatever men earn, they have a share of that and whatever women earn, they have a share in that.” [Noble Quran 4:32]

    Secondly, there is no restriction in Islamic law that says a woman cannot work or have a profession, that her only place is in the home. In fact, by definition, in a truly Islamic society, there must be women physicians, women nurses, women teachers, because it’s preferable also to separate teenagers in the volatile years in high school education. And if she chooses to work, or if she’s married with the consent of her husband, she’s entitled to equal pay, not for equal work, but for work of equal worth.

    Thirdly, when it comes to financial security, Islamic law is more tilted in many respects towards women. These are seven examples:

    During the period of engagement, a woman is to be on the receiving side of gifts.

    At the time of marriage, it is the duty of the husband, not the bride’s family. He is supposed to pay for a marital gift. The Quran called it a gift, and it is exclusively the right of the woman. She doesn’t have to spend it on the household, she doesn’t have to give it to her father or anyone else.

    If the woman happened to own any property prior to marriage, she retains that property after marriage. It remains under her control. Also, in most Muslim countries, the woman keeps her own last name, and her own identity.

    If the woman has any earnings during her marital life, by way of investments of her property or as a result of work, she doesn’t have to spend one penny of that income on the household, it is entirely hers.

    The full maintenance and support of a married woman is the entire responsibility of her husband, even though she might be richer than he is. She doesn’t have to spend a penny.

    At the time of divorce, there are certain guarantees during the waiting period and even beyond for a woman’s support.

    If the widow or divorcee has children, she’s entitled to child support.

    n Islam there is absolutely no difference between men and women as far as their relationship to Allah is concerned, as both are promised the same reward for good conduct and the same punishment for evil conduct. The Quran says:

    “And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women.” [Noble Quran 2:228]

    The Quran, in addressing the believers, often uses the expression, ‘believing men and women’ to emphasize the equality of men and women in regard to their respective duties, rights, virtues and merits. It says:

    “For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah’s praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward.” [Noble Quran 33:35]

    “O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them – except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good.” [Noble Quran 4:19]

    These are most of the verses however their are many more. I will agree with you that their is a disconnect many people that call them selves Muslim may be practicing or misrepresenting Islam just with any other religion. You always find people practicing the a religion better then others. I recommend you to look at the true teachings which have been written in the quran for over 1400 yrs. All these women rights from social, economic only started in mid 1950s in the west. Islam has been teaching these things for over 1400 yrs unchanged. I hope this helped.

    Peace be upon you,