Swedish Archbishop: Why Pick Jesus over Muhammed?


AntjeJackelen_990114cSweden is the gift that keeps on giving – to Islam. In recent weeks, for those of you who are keeping score at home, Swedish feminists mounted a nationwide “hijab campaign” in “solidarity” with a Muslim woman whose veil may or may not have been yanked off her head in a parking garage, and the government announced its intention to grant automatic permanent residency to refugees from Syria. Now comes the news that the Church of Sweden has chosen as its new leader a woman who, judging from recent statements, does not care to recognize much of a difference between Jesus Christ and Muhammed.

But first a little background. Unlike the Church of Norway and the Church of Denmark, the Church of Sweden is no longer an official state church, having been cut loose in the year 2000 (a fate which will probably befall its sister Scandinavian churches before too long). But although its pews, like those in Norway and Denmark, are pretty empty most of the time (while most Swedes are church members, only 2% attend services regularly), the church in Sweden continues, like its Norwegian and Danish counterparts, to receive generous cash subsidies from the government, and still enjoys a high public profile. Scandinavians may not go to church, and most of them may not be devout believers in much of anything, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they don’t identify, perhaps even strongly, as Christians – or, more specifically, Lutherans.

How does this work? As follows. To live under a highly statist system is to assume, as if it were the way of nature itself, that the state will take care of all kinds of things that people in other, not-so-statist countries would never think of expecting the government to do for them. In Scandinavia, at least, this habit of thought can extend even to the realm of religion. Meaning what? That under such regimes, the idea of a personal faith, to say nothing of a personal commitment to go to church, can easily fall away. One doesn’t have to go to church, or give much thought to what one does or doesn’t believe; what matters is knowing that the church is there, and that one’s tax money is helping to keep it up and running and staffed with clergy who have given thought to questions of belief, and who are continuing to hold the right services and say the right prayers – even though there’s barely enough parishioners in some churches on a Sunday morning to get a bridge game going.

It’s not, after all, as if most Scandinavians never set foot in a church. They may or may not believe in God, but they believe in church baptisms, church weddings, and church funerals. Confirmation, especially, remains a major rite of passage – so much so that kids from families that are actively hostile to religion have the option of taking part in a mass “civil confirmation,” a thoroughly secular ceremony that is held once a year in city halls and other non-ecclesiastical settings. In all three Scandinavian countries, moreover, certain Christian feasts are still observed in a traditional manner – notably Saint Lucy’s Day on December 13, when many children and teenagers participate in processions wearing white robes, carrying candles, and singing “Santa Lucia.” The Norwegian cabinet includes a Minister of Culture and Church Affairs; the Danish cabinet includes a Minister for Equality, Church, and Nordic Cooperation. In all three countries, most of the official holidays are Christian holy days; Norway’s list includes no fewer than eight of them: Maundy Thursday, Good Friday, Easter Monday, Ascension Day, Pentecost, Whit Monday, Christmas, and St. Stephen’s Day. (The only secular days off are New Year’s Day, May Day, and Constitution Day.)

So it was of more than minor significance when the Church of Swedish announced a couple of weeks ago that its new boss, who will assume the title of Archbishop of Uppsala next June upon the retirement of the current primate, Anders Wejryd, is a woman named Antje Jackelén, the present Bishop of Lund. Born in Germany in 1955, she moved to Sweden in 1978, married a Swede in 1979 (he’s a priest, too), and became a member of the clergy in 1980. She will be the first female archbishop in the Church of Sweden, which has been ordaining women for more than half a century. But no, that’s not the big news. Nor is it news, big or otherwise, that the bishop who ordained her back in 1980, Lars Carlzon, was at the time head of a Communist front group, the Swedish-East German “Friendship Association.” (Let’s face it: given the Swedish establishment’s weakness for totalitarianism, that’s scarcely a footnote.)

No, the big news – or one part of it, anyway – is that Jackelén, who after her ordination worked in parishes in Stockholm and Lund and then spent several years teaching systematic theology at the Lutheran School of Theology in Chicago, has as her episcopal motto (yes, bishops have mottoes) the simple statement “God is greater.” As Ingeborg Olsson wrote in Dispatch International: “If that sounds familiar, it may be due to the fact that an Arabic translation renders it as ‘Allahu akbar.’”

Coincidence? Not bloody likely. On October 1, when Jackelén and the other three candidates for the church’s top job were interviewed by church officials in front of the media, they were asked – and here comes the rest of the big news – “Does Jesus provide a truer picture of God than Muhammed?” Only one of the candidates, Ragnar Persenius, the Bishop of Uppsala, answered with a flat-out yes. (He ended up coming in second.) The other candidates “seemed uncertain,” according to Fria Tider. Jackelén’s answer was as follows: “One cannot reduce the whole of religious theology, that is to say the question of how different religions relate to one another, to a yes-and-no question. It amounts to doing violence to a wealth of knowledge and experience that can be found there.”

This wishy-washiness was too much for Eva Hamberg, a prominent theologian who has been a priest in the Church of Sweden for thirty years. Back when she was ordained, said Hamberg, such a question would never even have been asked – and if it had been, the idea that any candidate for the priesthood would have so much as hesitated to say “yes” would have been absolutely unthinkable. Even before Jackelén was selected as archbishop, Hamberg publicly announced that she was quitting the Church of Sweden, saying she could no longer associate herself with a body that had become, in her view, altogether too secularized, politicized, and intolerant of dissident (i.e. traditional) voices.

Since Jackelén’s election, her supporters and her critics have been doing battle in the op-ed columns – not only about the Jesus/Muhammed dodge, but about Jackelén’s views of the Virgin Birth and the existence of Hell, among other things. As it happens, I agree with much of what she and her supporters have to say – about, for example, the fact that some parts of the Bible are plainly intended to be read metaphorically or symbolically, not literally, and that there’s room for honest disagreement among Christians about various aspects of scripture and theology. But to refuse to provide a straightforward answer to the simple question of whether Jesus provides a truer picture of God than Muhammed is a whole different ball of wax. It’s not about being a liberal Christian as opposed to a conservative Christian; it’s about being any kind of Christian at all. For that one question sums up what everything else comes down to – it brings you face to face with the utter contrast between, on the one hand, the story of Jesus’ life and ministry, which is to say the message of the gospel, and, on the other, the story of Muhammed’s life, which is to say the message of the Koran. Between these two things – Jesus’ message of love, and Muhammed’s message of brutal conquest and control – there could hardly be a greater, starker divergence. For a Christian body to install as its superintendent someone who refuses to pronounce clearly upon that divergence is sheer absurdity.

But you ain’t heard nothing yet. On October 27, Anna Ekström, who writes regularly in Expressen, reminded readers of her criticism last December of Jackelén’s videotaped Christmas greeting to her diocese, which can still be viewed on You Tube. (Watch it: even if you don’t understand Swedish, the visual, and the tone of voice, speak volumes.) In the video, Jackelén launched right into an oh-so-gently-voiced lament about Israel’s security barrier, and by way of illustration held up a small nativity that she purchased some years ago at a shop in Bethlehem. It was a very special kind of nativity – Jesus and two of the Wise Men were separated by a wall. Get it? Get it? She purred on about this separation wall, observing that the two Wise Men who were separated from Jesus looked as if they were praying to the wall. (The implicit reference to Jews at the Wailing Wall was obvious.) And she showed her audience that, while the separation wall obstructed one’s view of Jesus, there was an opening in the stable wall behind the crib, symbolizing the fact that (and here she claimed to be quoting the shopkeeper who sold her the nativity) “God always creates an opening” that lets us see Christ. “Fear builds walls,” she said in English, reading aloud the words written on the nativity wall. “Hope builds bridges.” Christmas, she stressed, is all about the elimination of walls between God and man. And with that, she removed the wall separating the stable from those two Wise Men.

Jackelén’s “Christmas message” was a remarkable piece of work – a hand grenade, as it were, wrapped in several thick, soft layers of purple cotton. How smoothly and neatly she managed to suggest, without quite saying so, that Israeli Jews have separated themselves from God by denying the message of Christ, that when they pray at the Wailing Wall they are praying to a false god, and that the Israeli wall is nothing less than an offense to Christian belief. Very slick stuff.

To be sure, Jackelén did not come up with this nasty line of argument herself: every ugly, silken word of her little homily is standard-issue “Palestinian liberation theology,” as developed over the last few decades by Palestinian Christians like Naim Ateek (an Anglican priest who runs a Jerusalem-based outfit called the Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theology Center) and as obediently taken up, in recent years, by more and more fatuous leftist clergy in Europe and North America. Ateek’s “theology,” which teaches that Zionists are motivated by (in his words) “a narrow and exclusive concept of a tribal God,” and which drips with smarmily sanctimonious language and overwrought symbolism of the sort Jackelen employed in her “Christmas message” (“In this season of Lent,” wrote Ateek during the run-up to Easter 2001, “it seems to many of us that Jesus is on the cross again with thousands of crucified Palestinians around him….Palestine has become one huge golgotha”), is in fact a cleverly calculated means of manipulating naïve Christians in the Western world into thinking that their faith requires them not only to condemn Israel’s security barrier, and its supposed mistreatment of Palestinians, but to reject the very legitimacy of the Jewish state itself.

Watching Jackelén’s “Christmas message,” and recognizing at once the slippery rhetoric of “Palestinian liberation theology,”  I wondered if she had any direct connection to Ateek and his organization – which is, after all, the Ground Zero of that “theology.” Sure enough, a quick Google search turned up an article on her diocesan website singing Ateek’s praises and recounting a conversation that she and Ateek had at his office. (As a bonus, the article features a lovely picture of Jackelén celebrating mass with one Munib Younan, who, in addition to being head of the Lutheran World Federation, has been identified by Sabeel itself, with which he is associated, as a Fatah leader.)

Ekström, in her comments about Jackelén’s “Christmas message,”  noted that while Jackelén made good use of the opportunity to malign Israel’s security defenses, she had nothing whatsoever to say about the ongoing slaughter and persecution of Christians throughout the Muslim world – a kind of violence that, as Ekström pointed out, “requires more robust protection of the kind Antje Jackelén wants to tear down.” As Ekström put it: during a holiday season “when Jews through the ages have been subjected to pogroms,” and in a time “when Christians in our time are being murdered, [Jackelén] chose to meditate about an Arabized Jesus and stir resentment toward Israeli Jews.” In short, she “used the timeless Christmas story to throw a dark shadow over the Jews in all times, in all places.” That was last Christmas – ten months ago. Has Jackelén, Ekström asked the other day, changed since then? Well, if her crafty reply to the question about Jesus and Muhammed is any indication – and nothing could be more of an indication – she hasn’t changed at all.

It will be interesting to see what she has to say to her flock on You Tube this Christmas.

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  • handsomedan

    I WOULD PICK JESUS OVER MOHAMMED IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN MOHAMMED WAS A PEDOPHILE …. AND END ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION RIGHT THERE !!!!!

    • Hira Islam

      Bring your proof if you are truthful. No sensible person would believe you just because of your capitalization.

      • N. Wasse

        The proof that Muhammad was an Arabia warlord and caravan raider and child molester? No other than Ibn Ishaq and al-Waqidi

        Your so called prophet’s biography by al-Waqidi is called al-Magahzi or the INVASIONS he for sure was not the Buddha

        How come you did not know that?

  • Randy CA

    And a rapist.
    And a robber.
    And a murderer.
    And a torturer.

    • Hira

      Well any ignorant and prejudiced person would say so. All that you have accused the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) off could be retaliated towards Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). Jews hated him so much that they charged him of blasphemy and crucified him. Does that mean their charges were correct?
      No, and therefore I am for Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as he taught us that Jesus Christ was a prophet and a beloved of God Almighty.

      • N. Wasse

        Mr Arab wannabe your so called prophet was an Arabian warlord and caravan raider and his legacy in India is that 60-90 million Hindus were murdered raped and enslaved by your Muslim masters
        But the ultimate fact is the Arabs do not like you and they regard you as a big time KAFIR

        • Hira

          Do you even know the meaning of the word ‘Kafir’? It means anyone who does not believe in anything. In terms of Islam, one is a Kafir if he does not believe in Islam. There is nothing derogatory about it. It is quite simply stating a fact.
          And yes I appose the mere thought that anyone should be persecuted for their religious believes.
          I am a Muslim and I believe in the true Islam, i.e. Ahmadiyyat.

          • defcon 4

            How do you explain away what muhammad did to the Jews who lived Saudi Arabia? Are you saying muhammad didn’t persecute them?

          • Hira Islam

            Please read an unbiased historical review and you will know. I ask you, if your country is at war and there are traitors that leak crucial information to the enemies after they have signed treaties of faithfulness to you for the sake of Medina, what will you do?
            But the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) let them choose between the Law of Torah and the Law of the Holy Quran. If they had chosen the Law of the Holy Quran they would have only faced exile like one of their tribe did.
            The other two chose that a judge from them should give them their punishment according to the Judaic law. And this was the punishment of traitors according to the Law of Moses.
            Now do you understand? Or is it that you are so bent on hatred that nothing will open your eyes?

          • Hira Islam

            The short answer is, Muhammad s.a.w. treated them with respect, kindness and forgiveness. Even when they betrayed him which cost in lives, he only asked them to migrate away (exiled), twice to two different tribes at two different times. The third tribe which betrayed their woes during a battle to the point that Muslims were about to be annihilated, they were given the option to chose to be judged according to the one of the following three option:
            1. Islam
            2. Torah
            3. Tradition or cultural norm
            Choice one would have resulted in exile like in the past. Choice two was execution and choice three was something I am not sure about. However, they chose option two and asked Muhammad s.a.w. that they wanted the judgment to be delivered by someone of their liking and not by him and it has to be according to Torah. Muhammad s.a.w. was asked not to interfere with the matter and the judgment of the execution was announced by the judge appointed by themselves. Long story, you can read at http://tiny.cc/ypr75w

          • 4islam

            The short answer is, Muhammad s.a.w. treated them with respect, kindness and forgiveness. Even when they betrayed him which cost in lives, he only asked them to migrate away (exiled), twice to two different tribes at two different times. The third tribe which betrayed their woes during a battle to the point that Muslims were about to be annihilated, they were given the option to chose to be judged according to the one of the following three option:

            1. Islam

            2. Torah

            3. Tradition or cultural norm

            Choice one would have resulted in exile like in the past. Choice two was execution and choice three was something I am not sure about. However, they chose option two and asked Muhammad s.a.w. that they wanted the judgment to be delivered by someone of their liking and not by him and it has to be according to Torah. Muhammad s.a.w. was asked not to interfere with the matter and the judgment of the execution was announced by the judge appointed by themselves. Long story, you can read at http://tiny.cc/ypr75w

          • N. Wasse

            Muhammad was an Arabian warlord and caravan raider and child molester he was an evil man
            Oh Mirza? he died from diarrhea in a bathroom and where is Allah when you need him
            Leave Islam and be free again

          • N. Wasse

            Why do you keep posting under two different screen names? why the delusions? And Mr ignorant your two personalities are giving the thumbs up you are a fake

            Oh the meaning of the word kafir here from Arab dictionaries معني كلمة كافر http://www.almaany.com/home.php?language=arabic&lang_name=%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A&word=%D9%83%D9%81%D8%B1

            If you can read Arabic which I doubt very much

            And here is the disaster the Arabic word كافر is really a loan word from Syriac ܟܦܘܪܐ or Non Christian and non Jewish or pagan!

            So congratulates Mr Arab wannabe but you and your so called prophet and the other creep Mirza are all kuffar

          • N. Wasse

            Yes I know what the word كافر mean! Do you?

            Mr Arab wannabe you quote a dictionary so can you tell us kuffar what Arabic language dictionaries tell us about the meaning of the word كافر

            And why do you post under different screen names? Delusions may be?

      • McWrath

        Well any ignorant or prejudiced person would not have of make it up, since all any person has to do is read Muhammad’s life and sayings/commands and doings all there in the Islamic text and see what a great criminal and evil agent he was. A sociopathic manic whose cult is a crime against humanity and an insult to God…Islam defames itself.

        • Hira Islam

          Have you even read the Holy Qur’an? I read it daily and didn’t find any of what you talking about.

      • bluffcreek1967

        No, dopey, NOT “peace be upon him” but Pig Piss Be Upon Him! There, I fixed it.

        http://www.ambrosekane.com

  • Jason

    You know, I’m not even surprised anymore. One of these days Islam will be the official religion in all of Scandinavia and I wont bat an eyelid. The Swedes are ultra dhimmi, almost beyond hope. Sad to think that the region that gave us the Vikings will be the first to fall to Islam. At least it might be a warning to Australia, America and Western Europe.

    • nightspore

      It sounds like a whole nation of Nietzsche’s Last Men.

  • Dyer’s Eve

    A wall works two ways: to keep something out, or to keep something in. Information works the same way. What a bootlicker that Jackelen is. A jackal?
    I hope Jackelen keeps smiling as the sword of Islam slices through her neck. It’s only a matter of time.

    • defcon 4

      People like her will convert to islam long before that happens.

    • Drakken

      Then I have zero empathy or sympathy for her and her kind when the SHTF. Good riddance.

  • Sudipta Barat

    We Hindus are already bearing the ONSLAUGHT of ISLAMIC invasion for the past 1000 years , today SECULAR has become SICKU LAR , please PROTEST AGAINST IMMIGRATION FROM THESE JEHADI groups otherwise SWEDEN will BECOME SOMALIA and though not a Christian , I VOTE FOR JESUS, he is ABOUT LOVE and I dont have to be baptized for it, because HE IS THE SPIRIT and the SPIRIT is in everyone, that is what BOTH HINDUISM and CHRISTIANITY teaches.

    • Dyer’s Eve

      With you all the way, brother.

      • Demetrius Minneapolis

        Damn right!

    • N. Wasse

      Millions of Hindus were murdered and raped and enslaved by the Muslim invaders of India over a period of 500 years
      Can you imagine the whining of Muslims and let us not forget the jihad if the Hindus were the ones who committed these crimes?

      • 4islam

        My ancestors were Hindus, and they were not enslaved, raped or murdered. My last name is Rajput Janjua which means Sons of Royal Warriors from Gujrat. Still alive today on the contrary:)

        • Gotterdammerung141

          I’m so glad that your one case of anecdotal evidence means anything. By that standard I know a couple Jews who didn’t lose any family members in the Holocaust, which of course means it never happened at all.

          • 4islam

            anecdotal evidence is presented to justify my knowledge about this matter and that is all.

          • N. Wasse

            So where would i find the name of Muhammad P*ss be upon him in 7:158 or 157 or 159? You will not find it why the lies?

          • 4islam

            One who is unbiased can see very clearly that name doesn’t need to be mentioned when Muhammad pbuh is addressed as the first person.

          • N. Wasse

            Then you will not find the name محمد in the verse right?
            Thank you for proving my point
            What a fake

          • Allah is Dead

            muhammad (curses be on him as he burns in hell) was a pedophile, wife beater, rapist, killer, liar, thug, womanizer, palgerizer, etc.

          • Allah is Dead

            muhanmmad invented islam. the pagan cult did not exist before him.

          • N. Wasse

            I was wondering about what happened to “Jesus is Muslim” but I found him and he is an idiot

            Now this is part two of the disaster Hazrat and in Arabic it is HADRAT or حضرة and not your bogus HAZRAT or I will pass gas and here from a dictionary http://www.almaany.com/home.php?language=arabic&lang_name=English&word=%D8%AD%D8%B6%D8%B1%D8%A9
            See what happens when you become the slave of a foreign language and culture? I urge you to leave Islam and be free from the Arabs and their imperialism

          • 4islam

            I am simply amazed with your fascination about it.

          • N. Wasse

            This is evidence that you are no more than a victim of a foreign language and culture and now are you aware that the fake Zakir Naik his last name in Arabic is a vulgar word for s*x! Mr Naik! What a disater

          • N. Wasse

            And I’m simply amazed with your fascination with Muhammad the Arabian warlord and caravan raider and child molester and a certain Mirza who died from diarrhea in a bathroom and Allah could not even help him

          • bill james

            Liar, it is presented in an attempt to diminish the hard evidence about your predatory religion. Here’s some of that evidence:

            -2011 FBI Annual Report on Terrorism, http://www.nctc.gov/docs/2011_NCTC_Annua…
            Of 12,533 terrorist deaths 77 were committed by Neo-Nazi, fascist or white supremacists; Muslims committed 8,886.

            -There are 144 terrorist organizations officially designated by various Nations. 124 are motivated by religion — 75% of those are motivated by Islam. wikipedia

            -Bing/Google search “civil wars in the world” and then research who fights in them: over 75% of involve Muslims.

            -7/25/13 http://www.hoover.org/publications/defin…
            “Few people realize that we are today living through the largest persecution of Christians in history, worse even than the famous attacks under ancient Roman
            emperors like Diocletian and Nero. Estimates of the numbers of Christians under assault range from 100-200 million. According to one estimate, a Christian is
            martyred every five minutes. And most of this persecution is taking place at the hands of Muslims. Of the top fifty countries persecuting Christians, forty-two have either a Muslim majority or have sizeable Muslim populations.”

            -10/4/13 http://www.timesofisrael.com/indonesias-last-synagogue-an-intended-heritage-site-destroyed/ Indonesia’s last synagogue, an intended heritage site, destroyed. Just 20 Jews remain in the world’s largest Muslim nation, and it’s not clear who demolished
            their last house of worship, Java’s Beith Shalom.

            -10/10/13 http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/09/world/meast/top-10-terrorists/index.html
            All of the top ten most dangerous terrorists in the world are Muslims.
            Since the Internet, it’s getting more embarrassing to lie, isn’t it? We can SEE — literally SEE — that you’re liar now.
            God bless the Internet.

          • Hira

            Most Muslims in subcontinent are Muslims because they converted to a better religion.

          • defcon 4

            Would that be involuntarily? Like at the point of a sword?

          • Sudipta Barat

            No, most were forced and they dare not leave it because they are scared, I teach Muslim boys and gals in college and I know many who want to leave it. Check ur history.

          • defcon 4

            Brilliant retort.

        • N. Wasse

          60-90 Million Hindus your ancestors were killed enslaved and raped by your Muslim masters that invaded India but again this is what the Islamic beast is all about

          • 4islam

            And they quickly reproduced fast enough to become a majority again. That totally makes sense for sure!

          • Drakken

            Must be the years of inbreeding and it shows. At least those buddist in Burma are showing how to getter done.

          • N. Wasse

            What majority? The Arabs believe that al-Ahmadiyya are not Muslims right?

          • 4islam

            Majority in Indo-Pak subcontinent.

            Generally all Muslims, not particularly Arabs.

          • N. Wasse

            No Muslims in India are Arab wannabes like you
            Shame on you

          • A Z

            If a lion took down a zebra, but the zebra kicked with its’ hind feet hit the lion, got back onto its’ feet and ran off, you would say that the lion was kind.

          • Hira

            Get your historical facts right. If there was such an occasion then give proper reference to it. You will find none.
            Wars were common for territorial reasons. Hindus were chopping each other’s heads before Muslims came.
            When Mohammad Bin Qasim came to Sindh (India) for the first time he saw people in such bad shape that people’s suffering made him invade and topple the Hindu ruler. What the Hindu ruler did to women and how he used them to distract the invading army was shameful. Muslims took off their robes to cover those women.

          • N. Wasse

            Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus
            And if you do not believe than write to wikipedia and tell them that the authors are liars
            What a disaster 60-90 Million Hindus were murdered enslaved and raped over a period of 500 years
            So are you an Arzal Mr Arab wannabe?

          • defcon 4

            Wow, the muslimes have really done a number on the history of the Indian sub-continent. Kinda makes you wonder what’s being taught about the history of islam in our own “educational” system.

          • Sudipta Barat

            covered them yes, and still covered from head to toe and disrobed in ur harems

          • Rocky Mountain

            “Wars were common for territorial reasons” I think that about sums it up.

        • Hoss

          If your ancestors weren’t enslaved, raped
          or murdered, then why did the Muslims name
          those mountains in Afghanistan Hindu Kush?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          satan4islam,

          May your prophet of Satan, muhammed, continue to BURN in H E L L for eternity!

          INSHALLAH!

        • knowshistory

          every group has its cowards and traitors. when your beloved ancestors decided to submit to the murderous evil of islam, do you suppose they were honest to their children and admitted that they were cowards who accepted evil and betrayed their kind so they could save their cowardly lives? not a chance. they proclaimed that they “converted” to a superior religion, just like the poltroons of Europe and America will lie in turn to the descendants they are betraying.

      • Hira

        My ancestors were Hindu and Sikh as I am a ‘Jaat’ and I am a Muslim. Shame upon you for such ridiculous allegations.

        • N. Wasse

          ROTFL so you are an Arzal right Mr Arab wannabe ?

        • Sudipta Barat

          Islam is supposed not to have JAATIS so how come u r still a JAT

        • Allah is Dead

          to learn more about the pagan cult of islam visit http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

        • N. Wasse

          Hira Islam aka Hira aka “Jesus is Muslim” aka 4Islam aka Rahul Sharma are all one and the same right? You are a fake
          Get a real job and shame on you

      • Rahul Sharma

        Please get your facts rights. I have studied history and during the period of Muslims Rule, the rulers were mostly involved in activities which had nothing to do with religion. Muslims ruled India the same way British ruled India. Lot of people converted to Christianity during British Rule. A unique kind of caste system existing in Hindus at that time made a lot of people convert to Islam

        • N. Wasse

          And you get your logic straight so are you saying that the British invaders of India also killed and raped and enslaved 60-90 million Hindus so what is wrong with the Muslim invaders on India killing raping and enslaving 60-90 million Hindus Mr Arab wannabe? so did the Brits killed raped and enslaved 60-90 mliion Hindus as your masters the Arabs did?
          Your reply is and you must pardon me stupid

          • Sudipta Barat

            Hindus were enslaved by the Brits, yes but unlike the Arabs, a lot of Brits were fascinated by Hinduism and did a lot to preserve it, Brits are better than Arabs.

    • 4islam

      You should check your history firsts.

      • N. Wasse

        How come your Allah seems to have no clue about your Hindu ancestors? any guesses? Could it be because Allah is a local Arabian deity he and his wife Allat?

        • 4islam

          What makes you say that? Allah Ta’ala told us that there isn’t a single town where He hasn’t sent His messenger. Hindu’s no exception and we accept Ramchandar and Krishna as prophets of Allah as well.

          • N. Wasse

            What a disaster Krishna is a prophet of Allah? so where would i find in the Qur’an ان كرشنا رسول الله
            You will not find it because your Allah is an Arab he did not know anything beyond Arabia

            But wait in Q 14:4 says that Allah sends a messenger to each umma that speak their language and because Krishna spoke the languages of India he must be the messenger that was sent to your people and not Muhammad the P*ss BUH

            Then you made it easy for me leave Islam and revert back to Hinduism because this is what Allah is saying

            See? You are making it easy for me

          • Hira

            The Holy Quran tells us that there were many prophets, some not directly mentioned and to some a reference has been given. Krishna was one of them.

            ‘In the list of prophets who are specifically mentioned, there are certain names which do not seem to belong to the prophets of Israel. Many commentators therefore are inclined to believe that they are non-Arab prophets who are included in the list just for the sake of representation of the outer world. For instance, Dhul-Kifl is one name in the list of prophets which is unheard of in the Arab or Semitic references.’

            Some scholars seem to have traced this name to Krishna. ‘Consonant ‘p’ is not present in Arabic, and the nearest one to it is ‘fa’. Hence, Kapeel transliterated into Arabic becomes Kifl.’

            (http://www.alislam.org/books/study-of-islam/prophets.html

          • N. Wasse

            Another Arab wannabe here is the name Krishna in Arabic كرشنا and what does the fact that there is no Arabic letter P to do even with the price of peaches in Afghanistan? you tell me and by the way the letter P is Arabized as either F (if the word is a loan word from Syriac) or B and there is no P or F or B in Krishna
            Why the lies?
            How do you support yourself? let me guess! disability benefits as in back pain or menstrual cramps? What a fake

          • N. Wasse

            You still did not answer my question so where would i find in the Qur’an Mr Arab wannabe that lives on benefits paid by kuffar ان كرشنا رسول الله you will not find
            You see you are ignorant and I feel sorry for you

          • Allah is Dead

            thanks for the suggestion. to learn more about the pagan cult of islam visit http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

          • N. Wasse

            Allah is also a pig
            I like your blog keep up the good work

          • N. Wasse

            Hira aka the Arab wannabe 4islam: There is nothing holy about the book of ignorance aka the Qur’an
            I urge you to leave Islam and be free from the Arabs and their imperialism do not be afraid there ain’t no Allah and Muhammad was a fake as well as Mirza Ahmad

          • Sudipta Barat

            Then why did Aurangazeb and Islamists before him break Hindu temples.

    • Hira

      Yes Muslims ruled India for a 1000 yrs and gave it some of the greatest rulers like Akbar the great who governed on Islamic principles of true secularism.
      Muslims rulers stopped you from persecuting your own-selves. Tippu Sultan (the Muslim Ruler) banned the Hindu tradition of burning a widows alive called ‘Sati’.

      Muslim rulers in India cast out the Hindu cast system which treated the ‘Shudars’ as the lowest of the low.

      Female infanticide widely practiced in India is condemned in Islam.

      Social ills like dowry is condemned by Islam.

      If you call this oppression then let it be so.

      If Muslim rulers wanted to eradicate Hindus and levee the ‘Jehadi’ mentality, it could have easily been done in the form of religious genocide. Muslims have experienced genocide in many parts of the world e.g. Bosnia. But you find no such example of Muslim rulers doing that to the public.

      We respect Hinduism and believe that its origins are divine.

      http://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000158.html

      • N. Wasse

        Mr ignorant there is also a caste system among Arab wannabes in India here check this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_South_Asian_Muslims
        So are you are an Arzal or untouchable Mr Arab wannabe?

        • Hira

          Why is Arab automatically Islamic?

          • defcon 4

            Duh, how many non-muslims are there in Arabic states? Gee, how many non-muslims are in Bangladesh and Pakistain? Gee, and why are the populations of non-muslims disappearing in all such states?

          • Hira Islam

            And how many Muslims are there in the world who are not Arab? Wake up!

          • N. Wasse

            Because your Allah says وما ارسلنا من رسول الا بلسان قومه which means that Islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only if you do not like it then get rid of the book of ignorance and good riddance

        • Hira

          And how many Hindus did the British kill? Kindly separate politics from religion.

          • N. Wasse

            Again stop it we are talking about your Muslim masters that invaded India unless you are also a British wannabe so are you one?
            What a disaster 60-90 million Hindus were killed enslaved and raped by your Muslim masters even they called the mountain range Hindu Kosh now can you tell the readers what it means?
            Why the lies?

          • defcon 4

            In comparison to the slaughter of Hindus and Buddhists committed by muslimes? None.

        • Hira

          And yes anything can be labelled as religious persecution but please give me a proper reference to your claim that Muslims killed 60-90 Million Hindus. Do not invoke hatred in people’s hearts. Build bridges not barriers.

          • N. Wasse

            Mr fake you are giving yourself as well as your avatar 4isalm thumbs up! You are delusional
            Shame on you

      • defcon 4

        “respect Hinduism”, a lie Goebbels would respect.

      • Sudipta Barat

        yes, that is why u keep on killing, forced the Kashmiri Pandtis to leave the valley, threating to rape and convert their daughters and this happened not too long ago, 1989

      • Hira Islam

        Also, why is Europe so scared of Islam when the very root of its enlightenment or Renaissance are Islamic inspirations.

        ‘Islamic civilization and culture during the European Renaissance period follows earlier periods of exchanges, especially with the Latin translations of the 12th century, and Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe.’ Wikipedia.

        From where I stand, I see Newton and Da Vinci as plagiarists.

        Medicine specially surgery (Ibn e Sinna’s Canon of Avicenna), Chemistry (Alchemy), Algebra and Geometry, Astronomy, Architecture and Art etc all have great Muslim scientific, scholars and artists at their very foundations.

        But bias prevents students from being taught all of this. If you in the West are so fair and just then why not include all this in your educational curriculum? Why is there such a systematic blind eye to anything good that Islam has given to the world? What are you so scared off?
        Truth never fears anything. Falsehood does. But it is the divine destiny that truth shall prevail over falsehood no matter how much anyone tries to cover it up.

    • Hira

      Kashmiris (people of Kashmir) who are majority Muslims are still being persecuted by the Hindu government to date. What do you have to say about that?

      • N. Wasse

        The Arab wannabs like you should be send to Arabia but you know what? your Arab masters do not like you and they call your like maskeen men el-hind which is not very nice

      • Drakken

        Hopefully the Indians make Kashmir a complete muslim free zone.

    • southwood

      You must believe and be baptized.

    • Rahul Sharma

      Hello Sudipta,
      It is people like you who are making mockery of Hindusim around the world. We have a lot of muslims living around our locality and we never had any problem wit them. Good and bad people are everywhere. We must not blame all muslims for actions of few. We all know what Shiv Sena does, but we never want every Hindu to be blamed for their actions.

      • N. Wasse

        So let me see millions of your Hindu ancestors were killed and raped and enslaved by your Arab masters and you do not even care

        Shame on you

      • N. Wasse

        Rahul Sharma aka Hira aka 4islam

        I have no respect for you

  • Hank Rearden

    When Jesus said “suffer the little children to come unto me” well….

    I have realized something very recently. You can’t talk about Arab/Muslim cultural practices without dirtying yourself in a way that you don’t want to make a habit of. Let me just say that we know what the Muslim mind has in store (a) for little girls and (b) for little boys. There is a credible theory that the rage of Muslim men originates from how they are treated as small boys by men.

    Jesus calmed the heart and fortified the spirit.

    Mohammed gave license to the basest elements of the human soul and esteemed them as virtues.

    Marx and Captain Kirk were right about something – “we humans were meant to struggle.” The struggle-less society of Sweden and apparently the other non-Finnish Scands, has ruined something essential in them.

    • Tanks-a-lot

      when the Trek universe is shown on the dark side, I imagine that’s the universe if islam wins.

    • Drakken

      The one thing they all forget at their own peril is, war is a essential part of the human condition and have forgotten their Viking roots to their own detriment.

  • southwood

    “Jackelén’s “Christmas message” was a remarkable piece of work – a hand
    grenade, as it were, wrapped in several thick, soft layers of purple
    cotton. How smoothly and neatly she managed to suggest, without quite
    saying so, that Israeli Jews have separated themselves from God by
    denying the message of Christ, that when they pray at the Wailing Wall
    they are praying to a false god, and that the Israeli wall is nothing
    less than an offense to Christian belief. Very slick stuff.”

    Actually, Mr.Bawer, this is a highly ironic comment by you. In actual fact you are criticising Jackelen on the one hand for being vague about the distinctiveness of Christ while on the other seemingly bemoaning the fact that Jews can find their own way to God sans Jesus. Ms. Jackelen, who, as a woman, is debarred by scriptures from being a pastor, is actually correct in this part of her message. That is often the problem with conservatives (so-called). They use one bad argument to object to some leftist argument, sometimes, as in this case, a liberal view to oppose a more overt liberal view.

    • PhillipGaley

      I felt it to be a pretty fair article in many things, . . . except, . . . than a religion, Islam is more pert to a pagan and criminal ideology: in gratuitous violence, and self-gratifying—the world round, a mentality not of faith based religion with doctrines free to be inquired into and yielding to individual application, but of enforced patterns of behavior, in results which are inherent in a criminal ideology, . . .

      View the YT video: “two year old girl was raped because her family refused to convert” – “watch?feature=player_embedded­&v=wkzf5U7enOM”,

      Did you know that, the Quran plagiarized the theory of ancient Greek thinkers who believed that semen originates from the backbone?

      quran 86:7 It emerges/appears from between the spine and the rib bones.

      In the silent atrocity of child-brides, in the foolish and weak-minded nonsense proffered concerning why they must cover the women from head-to-toe, in their allowance of violence upon women, and in lack of punishment upon a woman having been forced, because, “Satisfaction of the man is a woman’s duty”, Islam involves and maintains itself in institutionalized sensuality.

      And again, as with the Islamic idea of virgins as a reward in the afterlife, or, with the notion that, their Allah character is attracted to voices in prayer, Moslems again affirm the notion that, ultimately, all things resolve into carnality, . . . there is no stronger reality, a spiritual realm in which souls are to live a higher life in freedom from this temporal existence, . . . Islam is composed in paganism.

      I see no ground in life or reason upon which that criminal ideology is to be justified, accepted or condoned, . . .

  • Chezwick

    BRUCE: “For that one question sums up what everything else comes down to – it brings you face to face with the utter contrast between, on the one hand, the story of Jesus’ life and ministry, which is to say the message of the gospel, and, on the other, the story of Muhammed’s life, which is to say the message of the Koran.”

    Actually, Muhammad’s life is meticulously documented in the Ahadith. The portrait painted couldn’t be more opposite than the one of Jesus as portrayed in the Gospel. According to the Hadith, Muhammad was guilty of

    1) solicitation of murder (K’ab Bin al-Ashraf, Abu Afek, Asma Bint Marwan)

    2) torture and mutilation (“renegades”)

    3) mass murder of POWs (the adult males of the Banu Qurayzah tribe)

    4) pedophilia (Aisha)

    5) usurpation of his adopted son’s wife (Zainab)

    6) sanctioning the rape of female captives (the ‘coitus interuptus’ Hadith)

    And that’s just the short list, folks. The long list includes sanctioning lapidation, amputation, the killing of apostates, etc., etc., etc.

    • Hira Islam
    • 4islam

      Mr. Chezwick, you couldn’t be further away from truth. You call killing in war a murder. You accused of torture and mutilation to those who were themselves tortured and mutilated and in fact never tortured and mutilated anyone in response. The ones who actually brought an end to this custom of torture and mutilation for good. You attribute mass murder to those who announced a universal forgiveness to their utmost enemies after their victory and the one who established rights of POWs for the first time in history. You accuse pedophilia to someone who was so progressive that he brought about revolution great enough that rights of women, of the children and even animals were established in society. You accuse of usurpation to the person, you gave away his entire life and his entire wealth, his comfort, his youth, and whatever he had to establish peace in society and to connect the people to God. The one who gave a model of secular government and who abolished slavery. The one who established right of women and granted them protection and established their right to decide in the matter of their marriages. The one who granted them the right to divorce and the one who gave them the status, respect and inheritance. You better get your facts straight.

      Your ignorance in this matter is painful.

      • N. Wasse

        The ignorant and the fake with multiple screen names is you shame on you

    • Hira Islam

      Accusations, accusations and accusation…You have accused the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) of much. Yet you lack basic knowledge, understanding and perspective. People like you love to jump to self favoring conclusions before they see the complete picture.
      For you and for others to benefit, here are some answers.

      Also, as aspects of the Holy Prophet Mohammad’s life cannot be summarized into statements like the ones you made above, I have given references. There are volumes that have been written on these subjects. To do a little bit of justice kindly put some effort into reading the sources listed below:

      Accusation #1) Reference: The Holy Prophet of Islam by Hadrat Muhammad Mustafa
      http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Holy-Prophet-of-Islam.pdf p.g 229

      Accusation #2) Re: mal-treatment of slaves. Reference: Islam and Slavery by Mirza Wasim Ahmad http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Islam%20and%20Slavery-20080616MN.pdf

      Accusation #3) Re: Banu Quraizah. Reference ‘A Book of Religious Knowledge’ by Waheed Ahmad, quote ‘The Jews of Medinah were envious of the spreading influence of Islam and started openly opposing the Muslims and the Holy Prophet, though they had a treaty with them….’

      Accusation #4) Re: Hazrat Aisha (ra). References:

      The Life and Character of the Seal of Prophets Vol 1, pg 241
      http://www.alislam.org/library/browse/book/Seerat_Khatamun_Nabiyeen/?l=English#page/241/mode/1up

      The Al Islam eGazette, Feb 2009, pg 8. http://www.alislam.org/egazette/eGazette-Feb2009.pdf

      Accusation #5) Re: Zainab: Reference:
      The Holy Prophet Muhammad by M.A. Cheema, pg 14 quote, ‘Some of the Holy Prophet’s marriages were in order to wipe out certain prevailing evil customs and practices….’

      http://www.alislam.org/holyprophet/the_holy_prophet_muhammad.pdf

      ‘A Book of Religious Knowledge’ by Waheed Ahmad, quote, ‘When the Prophet launched his drive for Islamic brotherhood and tried to remove all signs of racial and ethnic superiority, he arranged the marriage of his cousin Zaynab to his freed slave, Zayd…’

      Accusation#6) Reference: Islam and Slavery by Mirza Wasim Ahmad, pg, 64-67 http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Islam%20and%20Slavery-20080616MN.pdf

      And this can just be a happy start….

  • Big_Foot

    Mohammed owned and traded slaves, including black slaves. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muhammad/myths-mu-abolitionist.htm

  • physicsnut

    These clowns remind me of an article I saw :

    QUOTE
    Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former
    adviser.
    Labour threw open Britain’s borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a “truly multicultural” country, a former Government adviser has revealed.

    By Tom Whitehead, Home Affairs Editor
    6:42PM BST 23 Oct 2009

    The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a
    politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and “rub the Right’s nose in diversity”, according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
    He said Labour’s relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to “open up the UK to mass migration” but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its “core working class vote”.
    As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the
    economic benefits and need for more migrants.
    Critics said the revelations showed a “conspiracy” within Government to impose mass immigration for “cynical” political reasons.
    Mr Neather was a speech writer who worked in Downing Street for Tony Blair and in the Home Office for Jack Straw and David Blunkett, in the early 2000s.

    END QUOTE

  • N. Wasse

    Muhammad was an Arabian warlord and caravan raider and child molester
    My source? No other than his biographer Ibn Ishaq
    It is their sources that tell that! What else do we need?

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    The swedish archbishop will now pray to the True faith…

    the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

  • 4islam

    Contrary to the general perception, Muhammad pbuh; no question. I won’t go into what Muslims have to say about him, quotes from non-Muslim scholars would suffice here:

    “… he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels” [Michael H. Hart]

    “If ever any man on this earth has found God then…. that man was the Holy Prophet of Arabia” [Major A. Leonard]

    “The more one reflects on the history of Muhammad and of early Islam, the more one is amazed at the vastness of his achievement… study of his life may contribute to a fresh appraisal and appreciation of one of the greatest of the sons of Adam” [Montgomery Watt]

    “As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may ask, is there any man greater than he” [Lamartine]

    “If we could view Muhammad as we do any other important historical figures, we would surely consider him to be one of the greatest geniuses the world has known” [Karen Armstrong]

    “If ever a man had the right to rule by a right divine, it was Muhammad, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports” [R. Bosworth Smith]

    “… Muhammad, excepting a few criminals, granted a universal pardon; and … he treated even the foremost of his opponents with a gracious and even friendly consideration” [Sir William Muir]

    Decide for yourself… truth is not too far away!

    • cjkcjk

      Not bad I guess for a guy who liked to screw his hairless 9 year old child bride.
      Decide for yourself, that is the truth.
      Would a Holy God allow a pedophile to represent him?
      P.S.
      He also took his adopted son’s wife for his own too !

      • Biff Henderson

        Let’s not forget torturing an enemy by building a fire on his chest to extract the location of worldly treasure and capping off the evening by raping the man’s wife. 4islam has to be one twisted **** to find a hint of spiritual truth in Mad Mo.

      • 4islam

        Like I said, the perception is not reality. You are trying to reject day light because it creates some shadows behind objects? Read the correct account for yourself. I can provide you with the sources of truth. Islam rejects paedophilia and suggests the most sewer punishments for such people.

        • pslinger

          Your skillful use of taqiyya is notable. But sugar coated lies are still lies.

          www-dot-islam-watch-dot-org/warner/taqiyya-islamic-principle-lying-for-allah-dot-htm

          • defcon 4

            I’d say dumb lies are still lies and 4islam has been writing some of the dumbest attempts at al taqiyya I’ve seen in a long time. But he’s probably just repeating the talking points taught him in his mosque/madrassah, he’s probably not even smart enough to come up w/his own lies.

        • N. Wasse

          And like I said: But no other than al-Tabari tells us that your so called prophet married a six year old girl and had sex with her when he was 53
          So would you allow your 6 year old girl to marry a 53 year old Arabian warlord and caravan raider?
          And is it true, as the Shia tell us that ‘Ai’sha used to cheat on Muhammad and she used to breast feed the youth of Quriash?
          It seems that Allah is against your tabligh and Dawa in Q 14:4

          Thank you Allah for making me an infidel so I can drive you and 4islam out of your minds

        • N. Wasse

          I urge you to leave Islam after all your Allah says that Islam is the religion of the Arabs only! Hint: Q 14:4

        • N. Wasse

          Naveed ulIslam right? Millions of your Hindu ancestors were killed raped and enslaved ny your Arab masters and you do not even care

          • defcon 4

            Because he himself is a slave to allah.

        • Drakken

          The reality is, you islamaniacs are going to push us infidels to deal with you and your kind once and for all time. God Bless the Crusades.

        • cjkcjk

          Not perception, but reality is that Moe screwed a hairless 9 year old and that’s per your own scriptures.
          I can provide you with the universally accepted Hadiths affirming this.
          Most severe punishments such as death to those that quit Mohammedanism? What other sweet punishments? Third class status for everyone except those who adore Moe?
          Chopping off hands?
          Chopping off fingertips?
          Chopping off hands and feet on opposite limbs?
          How wonderful your Satanic god is!!!

          • 4islam

            There isn’t any concrete evidence in literature about the age. The age of 9 is only mentioned by Hadhrat Aisha herself as a rough estimate in Bukhari and the narration of this estimate has made it controversial. Like even today in some cultures, teenage marriages were a norm back then. The announcement of Nikah was made when Hadhrat Aisha was about 9. It was only until after her puberty when her father came to the prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) to ask him for the formal marriage. Her age was between 12 and 14 at that time. For interested readers, more details are at: http://tiny.cc/ay345w (tiny [dot] cc [slash] ay345w)

            About the punishments, Islam’s Holy book in fact decreased the severity of punishments, for example, stoning to death is not prescribed in the book but on the contrary it is prescribed in the Old Testament. Other punishments that are mentioned are prescribed as the maximum limits for high profile repeating criminals. It is clearly mentioned in the book that if you forgive when forgiveness brings about a positive change, it is better. Otherwise, eye for an eye is there as an option.

            What extremists are doing under the pretext of Islam, is not Islam.

          • cjkcjk

            You’re simply wrong about Aisha and so called extremists.
            The Hadith on Aisha is universally accepted by all major Mohammedian schools of thought as are the punishments.

            Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.
            The Queeran, Hadith, Sira, Mohammedian history, current Mohammedian thought and teachings, are all behind my (and the terrorists) interpretation.
            Face it, you adore a murderous pedophile.

          • 4islam

            I can tell how much love you have for the truth. Had you seen the references I sent you, you wouldn’t have sided with the extremists.

          • cjkcjk

            So says the guy who obfuscates the truth!
            I sided with extremists? Now be truthful; I said that we (me and the so called extremists) both see the obvious interpretation of Mohammedian scripture for what it is.
            Such a truth seeker you are! Aren’t you?
            For the record I don’t consider those mimickers of Moe as extremists, but rather as purists and I am completely opposed to them.
            If you love the truth tell it like I am.

          • N. Wasse

            Oh let me see the word Hadharat are you aware that this word حزرت in Arabic means I will pass gas? So do you plan to pass gas? See what happens when you become the slave of a foreign culture? (The credit here goes not Emad and thank you Emad for a great observation)

          • 4islam

            The word here is حضرت. None of the words however mean what you wish them to be. This only means “respected” in this context. Let the ones with eyes, see the light.

          • N. Wasse

            Mr Arab wannabe: No the word “respected” in Arabic a language that you cannot speak read or wright is محترم (m.) محترمة (f.) and here from an Arabic dictionary http://www.almaany.com/home.php?language=english&lang_name=Arabic&word=%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%AA%D8%B1%D9%85&category=Tourism

            And to add insult to injury your Paki word Hazarat should be in Arabic حضرط or I will pass gas from the word ضرط or passing gas http://www.almaany.com/home.php?language=arabic&lang_name=%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A&word=%D8%B6%D8%B1%D8%B7

            But you like a fool pretended to know Arabic and you even wrote the word حضرت the way I wrote it to test your Arabic And i wrote it with a Teh instead of the letter Tah and you fell for it and for this I say shame on you

            So next time you say Hazrat Mirza think of it this way: I will pass gas Mirza! What a disaster

          • N. Wasse

            Sir you are a fake and you should be shamed of yourself
            Canada gave you a chance to leave Islam and be free from Islam and the cult of Mirza the idiot do not this chance leave islam and be free again

          • defcon 4

            When was the last time anyone Jewish stoned any one to death for any reason? Two millennia? Or more? When was the last time muslimes stoned someone to death? This month? This year?

          • 4islam

            Just like the Jews and Christians, Muslims of today have left their teachings. Muslims however have adapted some foreign ones. Ironic indeed.

        • Black__Mamba

          How old was Aisha?

          • N. Wasse

            Let me guess the fake 4islam will give you a convoluted sob story.
            You live in Canada right? this guy lives in Canada (see his twitter feed) and most likely in Quebec and this is the trash that resides in the west
            What a disaster

          • cjkcjk

            6 when the 51 year old ‘married’ her and 9 when the 54 year old murderous pedophile ‘consummated’ the ‘marriage’ .
            Before that he probably engaged in ‘thighing’ among who knows what else.
            ‘Thighing’; I’m gonna guess that would mean to use the 6 year old little girl’s thighs to masturbate!!!!!
            What else really is necessary to know about this disgusting fiend known as the ‘profit’ Moe?

          • 4islam

            She was between 12 to 14. For more information visit this link: tiny.cc / ay345w

          • Drakken

            Your an effing lying muzzy, typical. Do yourself a favor haji, GTFO of our western countries because your islam is incompatible with us infidels.

          • N. Wasse

            So is al-Tabari and Ibn Ishaq are liars? Care to comment?
            And would you allow your 12 or 14 year old daughter to marry a dirty old man of 53 with 22 wives and concubines? A yes of no will do

          • 4islam

            Have you seen the references I sent? If al-Tabari and Ibn Ishaq are suggesting something wrong, they are mistaken at best.

          • N. Wasse

            No I’m only interested in your earliest Muslim sources as in al-Tabari and Ibn Ishaq who said that she was 6 years old when she married your so called prophet and he had sex with her when she was 9 and he was a dirty old man of 53 and you still did not answer my questions:
            1. Are al-Tabari and Ibn Ihaq liars?
            2. And would you allow your daughter your 12 or even 15 year old daughter to marry an Arabian warlord and caravan raider who has 22 wives and concubines?

          • N. Wasse

            Mr Einstein give me one good reason why should we not believe Ibn Ishaq and al-Tabari and why should we believe information from Arab wannabes like you
            Oh and would you allow your 15 year or even 12 year old daughter to marry a dirty old man who us an Arabian warlord and caravan raider with 22 wives and concubines?

          • N. Wasse

            Let me guess you never read Ibn Ishaq or al-Tabari in regard to ‘A’isha who used to breast feed the youth of Quriash

          • defcon 4

            Your dim-witted lies might fly in whatever islamic hellhole you came from, particularly among the dhimmfied, persecuted religious minorities, just not here, not among free men.

        • Black__Mamba

          A year ago you wrote “I consider attack on the founder of my religion an attack on my honour and my repute and I have a right to be protected. Everyone who consider the founder of his/her religion sacred is offended if do not adhere to this principle. Freedom has limits and similarly does the freedom of speech.”

          Obviously a fan of Canada’s anti-free-speech section 13.

          Well I consider the promotion of Islam to be an attack on women. The very existence of your religion offends my “honour”. On the other hand I’m not a baby, incapable of exercising self-control, who needs the government to protect me from having my feelings hurt.

          It’s perfectly understandable that you are unable to grasp the concept of freedom of speech. I come from a Western tradition that values freedom. If you live in Canada you should damn well adapt to us.

          • 4islam

            Universal Declaration of Human Rights article 12:
            No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
            Canada is a strong voice in this. Myself, like many others consider founder of my religion above my personal honour. Attack on founder on any religion is an attack on the honour of people who follow him/her. Respecting founders of other religions brings peace and create bridges while attacking them burns them.

          • Black__Mamba

            I consider the promotion of your viciously misogynistic religion to be an attack on my “honour” as a woman. I demand to be protected from such attacks. I therefore insist that you remain silent. Okay?

          • 4islam

            I am not promoting anything, just refuting the false accusations. Also, promoting something doesn’t automatically becomes an attack on something else. If you are offended, I apologize anyway.

          • N. Wasse

            No you are here to do your little talbigh and dawa but the Arabs do not like you and they regard al-Ahmadiyya as no more than KUFR
            Leave islam and be free again and get a grip on reality Mr Arab wannabe with multiple screen names

          • N. Wasse

            4islam aka Hira aka Hira Islam aka Jesus is Muslim aka Naveed Ulislam aka Rahul Sharma: You did not offend us kuffar you only made a fool of yourself by posting under different screen names not realizing that we kuffar can find out and you were giving yourself thumbs up until I pointed it out to you and you had to go back to all your posts and remove the 4islam thumbs up You did not even explain why did you do that? and this stupidity makes you a big time fake :

          • N. Wasse

            Here Muhammad was an Arabian warlord and caravan raider my source? no other than Ibn Ishaq

          • defcon 4

            LOL, the dumb irony of this reply. Does islam show any respect for any other religion? Do the actions of muslimes in any islamic state exhibit any respect for any other religion?

          • 4islam

            Islam yes, in fact the only religion which founded this concept of equality of all mankind. You will be amazed to see the actual teachings. About Islamic states of today however is a different story altogether. In 14 centuries, they have left most of the Islamic principles and I don’t support them.

          • N. Wasse

            If there was reality equality in Islam there would not be no caste system in Islam in India where you come from and your Arab masters would not call your likes a maskeen men el-hind and they would not call black people Abeed or slaves
            Shame on you

    • Biff Henderson

      I’ve decided. These non-Muslim “scholars” opinions aren’t worth spit. Muhammad (SAW-suckers always welcome) isn’t worth spit and you’re a twit.

      • 4islam

        That is because blinds can’t see even when the light is on. These scholars are worthless only to the ignorant ones.

        • Biff Henderson

          The blind faith donkeys of Mad Mo that used to smear his nasal discharge over their faces and think it was better than musk saw the light? The raw primitivism of a death cult is preferable to the loving message of Jesus? Like I said, Mad Mo isn’t worth spit.

        • N. Wasse

          But your Allah says in Q 14:4 that he guides whom ever he wants and leads astray whom ever he wants which means that your so called Allah is against your little Tabligh and Dawa so do you disagree with Allah? A yes or no will do
          I urge you to leave Islam after all in the first half of Q 14:4 your Allah seems to be saying that Islam is the religion of the Arabs only

          • 4islam

            Oh really, on the contrary, Muhammad pbuh is the only prophet to all mankind: Q 7:159. All other prophets were for particular people, such as to “the children of Israelite” etc. Islam is not for Arabs only, the verse mentioned actually is a hint towards the universality of Arabic language as well.

          • N. Wasse

            Really Muhammad P*ss puh? so where would if find his name in Q7:159? You will not find and how come you did not know that? and where would i find in the Qur’an a book that you cannot read in Arabic Mr Arab wannabe that ان محمد رسول لكل البشر

            You will not find it but you will find وما ارسلنا من رسول الا بلسان قومه

            Which means that Islam is the religion of the Arabs only
            So who was the prophet from among the 120000 that your so called Allah sent to your Hindu ancestors because he ain’t Muhammad the P*ss be upon him

          • 4islam

            It is 7:158 if you don’t include the first verse in counting, I apologize for that:

            قُلْ
            يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ جَمِيعًا الَّذِي لَهُ
            مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ يُحْيِي وَيُمِيتُ
            فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ النَّبِيِّ الْأُمِّيِّ الَّذِي يُؤْمِنُ
            بِاللَّهِ وَكَلِمَاتِهِ وَاتَّبِعُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ
            (Say, ‘O mankind! truly I am a Messenger to you all from Allah to Whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. There is no God but He. He gives life, and He causes death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Prophet, the Immaculate one, who believes in Allah and His words; and follow him that you may be rightly guided.’)

            About Arabic, you are in the dark unfortunately.

          • N. Wasse

            Oh when exposed change the verse I see
            So where would i find his name in the verse? you will not find it why the lies?
            What a fake
            And in regard to Arabic stick to Urdu mr Arab wannabe

          • 4islam

            This is known that Ahmadiyya community includes the first verse in counting. I presented my reference including the first verse, that is all.

          • N. Wasse

            So where would i find the name of Muhammad P*ss BUH in the verse? you will not find it which means that you are either ignorant or and you must pardon me a liar so which one is it

          • N. Wasse

            Then al-Ahmadiyya is corrupting the Qur’an thanks you just proved my point!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Like the qur’an, who gives a crap about arabic – unless you work for the CIA/NSA/MI5/Mossad?

            Your muhammed was a messenger of Satan.

            See 9/11.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            muhammed scum is the false prophet of a false religion which encourages followers to kill people all over the world.

            No savagery is too un-Islamic for you.

          • N. Wasse

            Well let us see what it says in Q14:4 وما ارسلنا من رسول الا بلسان قومه
            Or and (We) did not send a messenger unless he speaks the language of his people
            This means the following:
            1. You so called Allah only sends a messenger to a people unless he speaks their language right mr Arab wannabe?
            2. Muhammad P*ss BUP spoke Arabic his people the Hijazi Arabs spoke Arabic
            3. Therefore he was the messenger that was sent to the Arabs
            4. So who was the messenger that was sent to your Hidnu ancestors because he ain’t Muhammad the P*ss BUH?

        • pupsncats

          Poets (Lamartine) aren’t scholars.

          By the way, why didn’t you just cut and paste the rest of the list of people you got from the website extolling the wonders of Islam?

          • 4islam

            On the contrary once again these are documented facts. I suggest that you should do your own research and the read the Holy Qur’an first to find out its teachings and then compare it with the books of other religions.

          • pupsncats

            The Qur’an is not a holy book. It is a book based on a false religion created by a man who was demented and simply another in the long line of con men who crave power and control over others.

            Islam is a religious, political and social ideology that does not comport to any of the principles and values of human freedom and human dignity as humans were created in the image and likeness of God (not the false god allah) and thus is not compatible with America.

            It is a religion of terrorism against those who refuse to bow down to its totalitarianism and hatred of human dignity. It is a religion of death-death of the mind, soul, and body.

            No thank you to your false god and his utter disregard for all truth.

          • 4islam

            Have you had a chance to read it? If that is not a holy book than no other book could be holy. If Islam is not a religion, than this world has no religion at all.

          • N. Wasse

            Read what? The book of Arabian ignorance?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Islam is NOT a religion. It is a “religion” of perversion.

            See 9/11.

          • N. Wasse

            You can read the Qur’an in Arabic and understand it? Masha’allah

            Why the delusions? And why do you live in Canada and if Islam is so great why did you move out of the Islamic hellhole where of the failed state of Pakistan?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The qur’an is a book of perversion, murder, beheading, pedophilia, stoning, rape and devil worshiping.

        • Black__Mamba

          If they liked Mo so much how come they didn’t convert, then?

          • 4islam

            It would be a question for them. Also, leaving one’s own religion is not easy.

          • defcon 4

            But it’s a lot easier when you kidnap a Hindu or Christian woman, then rape her, then marry her, like muslimes in Nigeria and Pakistain do.

          • 4islam

            Rapist are punishable by death. Islam doesn’t protect them in any way. And “There is not compulsion in religion…” Holy Qur’an Chapter 2, verse 256 or 257

        • defcon 4

          If islam is the truth, then why do muslime states feel the need to kill or imprison people who criticise islam or its holey prophet? if the truth will set you free then what do you islam0fascists have to fear from those who criticise your death cult?

          • 4islam

            When these Muslim states do that, they do not follow the teachings of Islam. They are far away from the truth as you can tell obviously.

          • defcon 4

            LOL, then why do ALL muslime states outlaw criticism of islam and your holey prophet? Are they all mis-understanding islam except you? Your lies run thin — as thin as tissue paper.

          • 4islam

            Criticism is not hate speech and hate speech is not criticism.

      • Drakken

        What do you expect from haji after hundreds of years of inbreeding?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Taqiyya and Jihad.

    • pslinger

      www-dot-thereligionofpeace-dot-com

    • N. Wasse

      Decide for myself? and why are yuo quoting kuffar sources to tell us what your so called prophet was all about when your Islamic sources like
      Ibn Ishaq tells us that your so called prophet was an Arabian warlord and caravan raider and child molester?
      Oh and what is that pubh thing? Let me guess P*ss be upon him? Right?

      • 4islam

        With all due respect, Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) gift to mankind, the Holy Qur’an is preserved in its original form. We all should look at it and then decide. Just because someone has an Arabic name, it won’t make one a Muslim scholar.

        • N. Wasse

          How do you support yourself in Canada? let me guess stupid dhimmis pay for your social benefits right?
          You should be ashamed of yourself

          • 4islam

            In fact I am in a high income bracket and is supporting my fellow citizens. We all are dhimmis when we have to pay tax.

          • N. Wasse

            Really? so are you collecting disability benefits and is it for back pain or menstrual cramps or both?

        • N. Wasse

          The Qur’an is the most corrupted and edited book in the history of mankind would you like to know more?

        • N. Wasse

          I’m an Arab? may the Gods forbid. And you know my weapon against Muslim liars is it is googletranslate google is the scholar that is exposing Muslims and their lies
          The Qur’an is a corrupted book would you like to know more?
          Shame on you

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Yeah. That’s why sunni and shiite love each other. NOT.

        • defcon 4

          “Muslim scholar” is that kind of like being a master of urinal cleaning?

    • pupsncats

      Are you sure you want to quote Michael H. Hart who also:

      Organized a conference held in Baltimore in 2009 with the title, Preserving Western Civilization. It was billed as addressing the need to defend “America’s Judeo-Christian heritage and European identity” from immigrants, MUSLIMS and African Americans.

      In 1996, Hart addressed a conference organized by Jared Taylor’s race-realist organization, American Renaissance, on the need for a racial partition of the United States.[2] Hart proposed a three-way division with one part for white separatists, one part for black separatists, and one part left as multiracial nation. He said that a peaceful, voluntary partition is the only way to prevent violence.

    • musterion

      Jesus said: “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” It is not what Jesus said, but who he was–the atoning sacrifice for all. Sorry, no other way the father except by the son

      • 4islam

        I agree and Muhammad didn’t propose a new way. I am sorry, you missed the point. As Muslims, we respect Jesus as another innocent prophet of God and that his mother Marry was a righteous lady.

        • musterion

          And you miss the point, Since your prophet does not point to Christ as the only begotten son of God (and not God himself–I am a biblical unitarian), who died as the one and only payment for all of mankind’s sins, he is false.

          • 4islam

            We believe that we all should know the truth because it sets us free. Jesus Christ survived the crucifixion and migrated to the East. The historical accounts and his grave in Kashmir are some of the living testament to that. Visit tombofjesus [dot] com

          • N. Wasse

            Is it true that Mirza Ahamed died from diarrhea in a bathroom and where is Allah when you need him
            Your Arab masters regard al-Ahmadiyya as kufr so is that true Mr Arab wannabe?

          • pslinger

            “Jesus Christ survived the crucifixion and migrated to the East.”

            LOL, there is not one documented case of anyone surviving a Roman crucifixion. There were brutally efficient at what they did in that regard.

            You are really laying on the male bovine excrement thick here. Which is fine actually, the bigger the pile of poop is, the easier it is to recognize it as poop.

          • musterion

            Don’t feed the troll anymore

          • N. Wasse

            Oh let me see then Jesus did not die right?
            The only one that does not die is a God right?
            Then Jesus according to the Qur’an is really God right?
            See why Islam is ridiculous?

          • defcon 4

            Are Jews the descendants of apes and swine?

          • 4islam

            According to Islam, nope.

          • N. Wasse

            So your Allah must be a liar or you are so which one is the liar

        • pupsncats

          Jesus was not another innocent prophet of God but IS GOD. He said so and he proved it.

          • 4islam

            How could he have proved it when he couldn’t even show a sign to the Jews when they asked for it. He didn’t even get his prayers answered when he said, why did Thee forsaken me. I am sorry, all powerful God cannot be that weak. I am sorry, there isn’t a proof and you will never be able to. I have several reasons to prove that he was a human being.

          • pslinger

            He proved it by rising from His grave, rising from the dead. The pedophile “prophet” Mohammed is still in his grave. Islam has nothing to offer its adherents but a demand for blind obedience. There is no salvation, there is no Heaven, there is no personal relationship with a loving God. There is only lies, violence, bloodshed, death, and hell.

          • Biff Henderson

            Jesus wasn’t a dog and pony show that performed miracles on demand at some sideshow tent.

          • defcon 4

            And he wasn’t a head chopping, narcissistic, child molesting, Jew hating psychopath either.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            1.5 billion Islamofascists will NEVER defeat 6 billion Infidels.

            Better make the hajj because it may not be around much longer – thanks to your islamofascist savages who are cruising for a retaliatory Nakba.

          • N. Wasse

            Mr ignorant your Allah claims that he has اقانيم too after all how can Allah be a مكار and also be a الرحيم unless there are many Gods

            But more damaging to your case how can the so called God of the universe and his angels PRAY to Muhammad the P*ss BUH? Unless Muhammad is a god so is he?

            Oh the Arabic you can use googletranslate if you know how to use it
            What a fake

          • defcon 4

            G-d is not allah.

        • N. Wasse

          It is true that Muslims regard al-Ahmadiyya as kufr? So you must be a kafir right Mr Arab wannabe?
          I urge you to revert back to Hinduism the religion of your ancestors

          • 4islam

            That is true but I am not a kafir and who cares about what others say. I am for the truth and Islam is the truth. My ancestors left Hinduism for better. I love Holy Qur’an and I belong to the most peaceful community because the community puts the words of the book in action.

          • N. Wasse

            So congratulations but you are a kafir too
            For the readers: this Arab wannabe is a member of al-Ahmadiyya and the Arabs regard his likes as an infidel
            See? It is easy to figure out your likes you are a fake and so was Mirza Ahmad and so was Muhammad the P*ss be upon him

          • 4islam

            If you are siding with the Arabs in calling us Kafir, than you are no better than those extremists. How ironic it is that you are with the extremists while claiming to be with Jesus.

          • Drakken

            Love the infidels and us, fk you and your fellow muslims, only one or the other is going to survive the coming war.

          • N. Wasse

            I’m only telling you what your Arab and racists masters say about you and the creepy Mirza Ahmad and what gave you the impression that I’m Christian? I love idols and I pray to idols so I can drive you and yuor Allah out of your minds

          • N. Wasse

            You should be reported to the disability service in Canada and let Canadians realize that they have evil that live among them

          • defcon 4

            If he was one of your muslime extremists you would be dead. You would be dead in Indonesia, where amadiyya have been beaten to death in front of Indonesian law enforcement.

          • 4islam

            You don’t have to kill to prove you are with the extremists, if you think like them, you are them.

          • N. Wasse

            You posted on yout twitter feed about the murder of an Ahmadiyya family in the failed state of Pakistan so it seems to me that charity starts at home right?

          • Drakken

            Islam is the father of all lies, devil approved.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I CURSE your unholy qur’an – the inspiration of the 19 islamofascists savages of the 9/11 sneak attack.

            Everyday anyone can read the newspaper and read about the latest atrocity committed by your muhammed religion of war.

        • pslinger

          Jesus is not just another prophet of God. Jesus IS God Almighty Himself.

          Colossians 1:16 “For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities – all things have been created through Him and for Him.”

          • 4islam

            This verse is translated in many different ways. Check at biblestudytools (dot) com. Most appropriate translation only suggests that everything is created for him. Which is nothing special because everything is created for God’s messengers anyhow.

          • N. Wasse

            Hello: Mr Arab wannabe you cannot comment on the Bible and do you know why? because your Allah says that the Bible is a corrupted (sic) book right? then why do you quote or comment on a corrupted (sic) book you tell me?

          • pslinger

            More taqiyya from a muslim apologist. Your religion is a lie, concocted by the father of lies, Satan himself. The Biblical Jesus, the REAL Jesus, is God. The Koranic Jesus is a fairy tale. May the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob – the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ remove the scales from your eyes and grant you the favor and the faith to turn from the lie and embrace the truth.

        • N. Wasse

          Wrong Muhammad’s way was rob, kill enslave and destroy great civilizations and marry 6 year old girls and give 1/5 of the loot collected from infidels to his Allah!
          So do you have a Buraq handy because we need to send to Allah his share of the loot for the past 1400 years

    • Drakken

      It is too bad that someone didn’t smother that abomination Mohamed (pizz be upon him) at birth and saved us the trouble. Imagine where mankind would be today if that devils advocate didn’t walk the earth.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      muhammad?

      Eternal Curses upon your muammad.

      INSHALLAH!

    • N. Wasse

      I just checked your twitter feed you are a pathetic joke and you no shame
      Now I know where you live and hope that the Government of Quebec and Mrs Marois that you are a healthy looking man who is not working and spending his time posting drivel and collecting their generous social benefits and free health care

      Now explain it to us why do you post under different screen names? and why do you give yourself thumbs up? You are and you must pardon me a fake

      • 4islam

        I don’t have multiple screen names. God knows where you coming with this information from.

        • N. Wasse

          Delusional! What should we expect from a follower of an Arabian warlord and caravan raider and child molester
          Shame on you

        • N. Wasse

          One words: Delusions! Get some help

    • Rahul Sharma

      I agree with you Naveed ul Islam. I have a lot of peaceful Muslim friends who do not want to be associated with terrorists. Similarly, none of us want to be associated with terrorist who slaughtered muslims during gujrat riots. I am sure Gandhi Jee had same vision about GREATS of Islam.

      • 4islam

        Thank you Mr. Sharma. This large silent Muslim majority has to raise their voice against extreme elements within the world of Islam. We need to fight against ignorance, poverty, and inequality and this has to be done together, with love for each other. “Love for all, Hatred for none”

  • garyfouse

    I thought I was watching an old Mr Rogers re-run. Being Swedish, I guess she never heard of Davy Crockett.

  • pslinger

    1 Timothy 4:1

    Obviously this woman is a purveyor of the demonic doctrines Paul warned us about 2 millennia ago.

  • garyfouse

    News flash for Jackelen: A man believed to be Sudanese or Palestinian hijacked a bus in western Norway yesterday and stabbed 3 people to death.

    • defcon 4

      He must have been a Christian extremist.

  • Aizeta

    This venerable lady hopes to be spared by the new masters but she won’t. Rome does not pay traitors, nor do mohamedians.

  • oneteedoffpatriot

    And we thought the dark ages could never happen again.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Especially in Eurabia AKA Europe.

    • defcon 4

      I remember Pat Condell thought the 21st century would be a better century. It would be more tolerant, more peaceful. We would be flying to the stars. Instead we’re being dragged back to living in an islamic dark age. The dark age the muslimes never left behind.

  • Joe Krownen

    Muhammad said Allah hates those who
    don’t accept Islam. (Qur’an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38’0

    Jesus said God loves everyone. (John
    3:16)

    Muhammad said “I have been commanded
    to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but
    Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger ofAllah.” (Muslim 1:33)

    Jesus said “He who lives by the sword
    will die by the sword” (Matthew 26:52)

    Muhammad stoned women for adultery.
    (Sahih Muslim 4206)

    Jesus said “Let he who is without sin
    cast the first stone.” (John 8:7)

    Muhammad permitted stealing from
    unbelievers (Bukhan 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

    Jesus said “Thou shalt not steal”
    (Matthew 19:18)

    Muhammad permitted lying (Sahih Muslim
    6303, Bukhari 49:857)

    Jesus said “Thou shalt not bear false
    witness.” (Matthew 19:18)

    Muhammad owned and traded slaves (Sahih
    Muslim 3901)

    Jesus neither owned nor traded slaves.

    Muhammad murdered those who insulted
    him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

    Jesus preached forgiveness.

    Muhammad said “If then anyone
    transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise
    against him.” (Qur’an 2:194)

    Jesus said “If someone strikes you on
    the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” (Matthew 5:39)

    Muhammad said “Jihad in the way of
    Allah elevates one’s position in Paradise by a hundred fold.”
    (Muslim 4645)

    Jesus said “Blessed are the
    peacemakers, for they will be called Sons of God.” (Matthew 5:9)

    Muhammad married 13 wives and kept sex
    slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Qur’an 33:50)

    Jesus was celibate.

    Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old
    child. (Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

    Jesus did not have sex with children.

    Muhammad ordered the murder of women.
    (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)

    Jesus never harmed a woman.

    Muhammad said “O you who believe!
    Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find
    in you hardness.” (Qur’an 3:110)

    Jesus said “Blessed are the meek, for
    they shall inherit the Earth.” (Matthew 5:5)

    Muhammad ordered 65 military campaigns
    and raids in his last 10 years. (Ibn Ishaq)

    Jesus ordered no military campaigns,
    nor offered any approval of war or violence.

    Muhammad killed captives taken in
    battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451)

    Jesus never took captives; never killed
    anyone.

    Muhammad encouraged his men to rape
    enslaved women. (Abu Dawud 2150, Qur’an 4:24)

    Jesus never encouraged rape; never
    enslaved women.

    Muhammad was never tortured, but
    tortured others. (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)

    Jesus suffered torture, but never
    tortured anyone.

    Muhammad said “And fight them until
    there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah.”
    (Qur’an 8:39)

    Jesus said “Love your enemies and
    pray for those who persecute you.” (Matthew 5:44)

    Muhammad ordered a slave to build the
    very pulpit from which he preached Islam. (Bukhari 47:743)

    Jesus washed his disciples feet. (John
    13:5)

    Muhammad demanded the protection of
    armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship. (Qur’an 4:102)

    Jesus chastised anyone attempting to
    defend him with force. (John 18:10-12)

    Muhammad advocated crucifying others.
    (Qur’an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)

    Jesus was crucified himself.

    According to his followers, Muhammad
    had others give their lives for him. (Sahih Muslim 4413)

    According to his followers, Jesus gave
    his life for others. (John 18:11 and elsewhere)

  • Hira

    I am for Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the noblest of the noble, as he taught us that Jesus Christ along with numerous others was a prophet and a beloved of God Almighty.

    • JoJoJams

      Mad mo was in no way a prophet of G-d. And if he points to Jesus as a prophet, then how come his words, deeds and actions, in many ways, are the exact opposite of what Jesus spoke? Yes, I know the muslim b.s. about how the Jews and Christians “changed” everything, and that mad mo allegedly brought it back to “how it’s supposed to be”. Except for some simple things: The doctrines and ideologies of islam are definitely MAN-MADE, and have no spiritual reality to them. A brothel in heaven for those that die in jihad?!?! Ridiculous! Your “prophet” was a schizophrenic war-mongering tyrant who’s probably rotting in h3ll for the blasphemy and religion that he made up, cobbling judaism, christianity – and major Arabic paganism (the moon god), as well as tall-tales of antiquity.

    • defcon 4

      Isn’t jihad your holey obligation? Why are you associating w/the najjis kaffir? Shouldn’t you be pushing us all the narrowest part of the road?

  • Hira

    Why is Europe so afraid of Islam when its Renaissance finds its roots to Islam?

    ‘Islamic civilization and culture during the European Renaissance period follows earlier periods of exchanges, especially with the Latin translations of the 12th century, and Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe.’ Wikipedia

    Newton, Leonardo Di Vinci etc were in many ways but not all, plagiarists.

    • N. Wasse

      Wannabe Arab disgusting

    • Drakken

      Typical muzzy, revisionist history for all to see, it was you muslims that put us Europeans into the dark ages and it was us getting ourselves out of it, with no bloody help from you inbred savages. Every country you effing savages invaded turned to the backwards cesspools they are today.

    • Black__Mamba

      Famously, more books are translated into Spanish every year than have been translated into Arabic since the 9th century.

      Good grief. You’re not even allowed to depict the human form, and you’re taking credit for Leonardo? You’re beyond reason.

  • Hira

    I did not know of Jackelén before but from this article it sounds like she is a great woman who stands for knowledge, compassion and understanding.

    • Mountainhiker

      Sounds like you have bought into her same delusion!

  • georgejochnowitz

    Jesus said, “No man cometh unto the Father but by me” (John 14:6). Those words logically led to the Inquisition.
    Christianity has been defanged by the Enlightenment. Christians, no matter how religious, do not call for a return to the days when witches were executed, despite Exodus 22:18, which says, “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” Nor are there any Christians who want to bring back the religious intolerance of previous centuries. The only two religions accepted with blind faith today are Marxism (an atheistic religion) and Islam.

    • Mike Nelson

      Luther would have said that Jackelén is a Heretic. If she cannot state that Jesus Christ is the son of god and is superior to Mohamad, then she has no business IMO in being a Lutheran Minister. I fear my church has fallen far from where Luther started it.

  • Steve

    With her history of teaching “systematic theology” @ the University of Chicago, how do her beliefs compare with the likes of Wayne Grudem and similar writers @ Zondervan?

  • jeff BROWN

    One can only know God, if he puts his faith in the blood of Jesus to forgive his sins. “If one rejects the Son, he rejects the Father.” Take it from someone who knows.

  • Bob

    As Jesus is Christ the Messiah, the Son of God and therefore God He is without match or equal, He is the First and the Last, The Word, the
    physical image of God and every Bishop should know it. This report shows that the quality of systematic theological study has dropped significantly. The Bible clearly explains that Jesus is a Jew, The lion of Judah, He meets the requirements of Prophet, Priest and King, He is the Saviour, the Lamb of God, the Name above All Names, He is the deliver and Redeemer, the Author and Prefecter of Salvation, The Mediator, and no one gains heaven without trusting Him and Him alone. He is the Way of Salvation, not of piety, not by works, not by payment, but in love and gratitude for His free gift. Therefore there is NO wealth of knowledge and experience in any religion that offers only piety. Which is all that can be found in Islam and so will NOT assist anyone reach heaven. People should read the Bible Matthew for the life of Jesus and the book of Romans for what He has done. Clearly Antje Jackelén does not know HIM.

  • knowshistory

    why pick muhammed over jesus? not rocket science here. because the followers of jesus are silly sheep that don’t really believe, and will not punish a disbeliever. the followers of muhammed are committed criminals who really believe in their make believe god, and their archcriminal prophet, and will kill the disbeliever, as well as rape and enslave his wife and children. easy choice there for a coward like antje, as well as the rich and powerful of most of Europe and America.

  • Allah is Dead

    Why do Muslims want to kill everyone who is not a muslim?

  • Skye

    Why are sheep so willing led to slaughter?

  • Uvais Cassim

    If the illegal evil rogue racist terrorist state of israel is no more, there willo be no terrorism and there will be world peace.

    • defcon 4

      LOL, and who wouldn’t believe an insincere(?) lie like that?

    • N. Wasse

      Arab wannabe shame on you

  • Lilac

    I’m embarrassed and mortified. This does not represent a large percentage of Swedes who really are Christian and who really do not want to share the country with muslims.

  • bill james

    There’s a dark side of me that says: “I hope I’m alive when the local imam commands that she wear the niqab, on penalty of death if she refuses.”

  • Hira Islam

    2013-11-10

    Just to develop some basic understanding in the readers I would like to clarify the basic difference between Holy Quran and Ahadith. The Holy Quran is the word of Allah Talah or God Almighty which was revealed as a source of guidance for all humanity. Therefore it is the most important and definite reference.

    Secondly comes Sunnah, or the practice of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) in which he exemplified the principles of the Holy Quran.

    Lastly are the Ahadith or the says of the Prophet (pbuh) that were authentically compiled around 200 years after the Prophet(pbuh). There are rules drawn to judge the authenticity of a Hadith yet the first most criteria is that it should not contradict with the Holy Quran and should be inline with the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh).

    Now let me respond to the allegations above, which are a conscious effort to deceive the readers. Look for yourself how deceptive there allegations in the comparison below:

    Allegation #1) Muhammad said Allah hates those who don’t accept Islam. (Qur’an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38’0

    ANSWER

    [30:4] In a few years — Allah’s is the command before and after that — and on that day the believers will rejoice,

    [3:32] Say, ‘Obey Allah and the Messenger;’ but if they turn away, then remember that Allah loves not the disbelievers.

    [22:38] Surely, Allah defends those who believe. Surely, Allah loves not any one who is perfidious or ungrateful.

    When does not loving someone equals hate? And what about Bible where God punished many people to death for crimes like Lying, Failure to praise God, Failure to praise God and Being part of Satan’s last Army etc. References: Acts 5:1-10, Acts 12:23, Detailed in the passages where God sends four horsemen (Revelation 6:1-7), commands the angels to sound seven trumpets (Revelation 8:7-11:15), commands the angels to unleash seven plagues (Revelation 16:2-17) and Revelation 20:8-9 – Ref

    And as far as the love is concerned, we are Allah’s creation and He loves us but at the same time, He is light and doesn’t love darkness. According to the Holy Qur’an, Allah loves:

    those who do good; (2:196), (3:135), (3:149), (5:14), (5:94)

    those who keep themselves clean. (2:223)

    those who turn to Him (2:223)

    the steadfast. (3:147)

    those who put their trust in Him. (3:160)

    the God-fearing. (3:77)

    the just. (49:10)

    those who are just. (5:43)

    those who are equitable. (60:9)

    those who fight in His cause … (61:5)

    those who purify themselves. (9:108)

    those who are righteous. (9:4), (9:7)

    And he does not love who:

    the proud. (16:24)

    the transgressors. (2:191), (5:88)

    those who create disorder. (2:206), (5:65)

    anyone who is a confirmed disbeliever and an archsinner. (2:277)

    any one who is perfidious or ungrateful. (22:39)

    those who exult. (28:77)

    those who make mischief.’ (28:78)

    the unjust; (3:141)

    the disbelievers. (3:33), (30:46)

    any arrogant boaster. (31:19)

    one who is perfidious and a great sinner. (4:108)

    the proud and the boastful, (4:37)

    the wrongdoers. (42:41), (3:58)

    any self conceited boaster, (57:24)

    those who exceed the bounds. (6:142)

    the treacherous. (8:59)

    If God loved everyone, why did need to sacrifice his own so-called son, he could have just forgiven the ones He loved.

    Allegation #2) Jesus said God loves everyone. (John 3:16)

    Muhammad said “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.” (Muslim 1:33)

    Now let us look at some of the Quranic verses where fighting has been mentioned.

    ‘And fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors.’ (2:191)

    ‘And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is freely professed for Allah. But if they desist, then remember that no hostility is allowed except against the aggressors.’ (2:194)

    ‘There should be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong; so who so ever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.’ (2:257)

    Surely for a wise man, the meaning of the above mentioned hadith in the light of the Quranic verses should become crystal clear.

    Allegation #3) Jesus said “He who lives by the sword will die by the sword” (Matthew 26:52)

    Irrelevant argument as Muhammad (pbuh) didn’t die by the sword.

    Allegation #4) Muhammad stoned women for adultery. (Sahih Muslim 4206)

    He did so because the women asked for the Biblical punishment. Islam doesn’t prescribe stoning to death as a punishment for adultery, Bibles does on the other hand.

    Jesus said “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” (John 8:7)

    There is no distinction between fornication and adultery in Islam, married or not married, no one is allowed to fornicate. And if someone is caught doing that then what’s the punishment?

    Well here it is:

    ‘The adulteress and the adulterer (or the fornicatress and the fornicator) — flog each one of them with a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain take hold of you in executing the judgment of Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. The adulterer cannot have sexual intercourse but with an adulteress or an idolatrous woman, and an adulteress- none can have intercourse with her but an adulterer or an idolatrous man. That indeed is forbidden to the believers. And those who calumniate chaste women but bring not four witnesses- flog them with eighty stripes and do not admit their evidence ever after, for it is they that are the transgressors, Except those who repent thereafter and make amends, for truly Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful. And as for those who calumniate their wives, and have not witnesses except themselves — the evidence of any one of such people shall suffice if he bears witness four times in the name of Allah saying that he is surely of those who speak the truth. And the fifth time that Allah’s curse be upon him if he be of the liars. But it shall avert the punishment from her if she bears witness four times in the name of Allah saying that he is of the liars. And the fifth time that the wrath of Allah be upon her if he has spoken the truth.’ (Holy Quran, 24:4-10).

    ‘Verily, those who accuse chaste, unwary, believing women are cursed in this world and the Hereafter. And for them is a grievous chastisement.’ (Holy Quran, 22:43)

    Allegation #5) Muhammad permitted stealing from unbelievers (Bukhan 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

    Weak references. Muhammad in fact gave away all his wealth for the poor and for the sake of Allah.

    Muhammad used to take initiation at the terms that they shall not steal: ‘O Prophet! when believing women come to thee, taking the oath of allegiance at thy hands that they will not associate anything with Allah, and that they will not steal, and will not commit adultery, nor kill their children, nor bring forth a scandalous charge which they themselves have deliberately forged, nor disobey thee in what is right, then accept their allegiance and ask Allah to forgive them. Verily, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.’ [60:13]

    Allegation #6) Muhammad permitted lying (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)

    Weak reference at the very least. Lying is forbidden in Islam.

    ‘And if they accuse thee of lying, even so were accused of lying Messengers before thee who came with clear Signs and books of wisdom and the shining Book.’ (Holy Quran, 3:185).

    Also see Holy Quran 33:37).

    The Holy Prophet (pbuh) declaired that lying is one of the three biggest sins, (Bukhari).

    Allegation #7) Muhammad owned and traded slaves (Sahih Muslim 3901)

    Muhammad(pbuh) freed over 60 slaves and his disciples freed over 32000. With a decade after Muhammad’s demise, one couldn’t find any slave in Arabia, it abolished because of Islam; 15 centuries ago.

    Allegation #8) Muhammad murdered those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

    Lies, Muhammad forgave those who insulted him. His whole life story is evidence to this. He was stoned in the streets of Taif till blood collected in his shoes. But he prayed for and forgave his enemies. Those to tortured and killed his most beloved were forgiven at the day of the great victory, of the bloodless conquest of Mecca. History bore witness that no conquest was so forgiving and ever so merciful.

    Allegation #9). Muhammad said “If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him.” (Qur’an 2:194)

    ‘And fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors.’ (Holy Quran, 2:191)

    Topics like multiple marriages and slaves, I have discussed previously and given references to in my responses above. An unbiased source and an open mind is all that is required to see the true picture. Anything would become blurry if seen through foggy glasses. It is important to look at things in their context. Anything presented without context can seem most appalling.

  • Farhan

    This is in response to Joe:

    Allegation:

    Muhammad said Allah hates those who

    don’t accept Islam. (Qur’an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38’0

    Jesus said God loves everyone. (John

    3:16)

    Answer:

    Find me a statement in the Qur’ān that says “Allāh hates
    those who don’t accept Islam” and I will pay you 10 bucks!

    If God loves everyone and according to you, He sent his
    ‘begotten’ son to atone for the sins of mankind, then ‘everyone’ goes to heaven
    right?

    Allegation:

    Muhammad said “I have been commanded

    to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but

    Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger ofAllah.” (Muslim 1:33)

    Jesus said “He who lives by the sword

    will die by the sword” (Matthew 26:52)

    Answer:

    The Arabic in 1:33 should be checked. This translation is
    wrong. Muhammad never said “to fight”. He actually said “to struggle”. He
    struggled and strived all his life to preach his message of peace.

    Allegation:

    Muhammad stoned women for adultery.

    (Sahih Muslim 4206)

    Jesus said “Let he who is without sin

    cast the first stone.” (John 8:7)

    Answer:

    All stoning incidents were actually done based on the law of
    the Torah before any Islamic commandments came [Deuteronomy 22:23-24]. Islam
    does not prescribe that an adulterer should be stoned to death. Besides, don’t
    pick and chose things from your holy book while forgetting the rest of it. Read
    the book of Deuteronomy – the law that YOU are supposed to follow – before
    making any allegations against Islam.

    Allegation:

    Muhammad permitted stealing from

    unbelievers (Bukhan 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

    Jesus said “Thou shalt not steal”

    (Matthew 19:18)

    Answer:

    Holy Qur’ān 60:13: O
    Prophet! when believing women come to thee, taking the oath of allegiance at
    thy hands that they will not associate anything with Allah,
    and that they will not steal, and will not commit adultery,
    nor kill their children, nor bring forth a scandalous charge which they
    themselves have deliberately forged, nor disobey thee in what is right, then
    accept their allegiance and ask Allah to forgive them. Verily, Allah is Most
    Forgiving, Merciful.

    Allegation:

    Muhammad permitted lying (Sahih Muslim

    6303, Bukhari 49:857)

    Jesus said “Thou shalt not bear false

    witness.” (Matthew 19:18)

    Answer:

    Bukhari 49:857: Narrated by Um Kulthum bint Uqba that she
    heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “He who makes peace between the people by
    inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” So,
    lying in order to make peace between two parties is not a good thing? So, we
    should always say the truth no matter how much discord, and stress, and enmity
    it causes between two people?

    Challenge: Show a verse from the Bible that
    endorses justice better than the following:

    [4:136] O ye who believe! be strict in observing
    justice, and be witnesses for Allah, even though it be against
    yourselves or againstparents and kindred. Whether he be rich or
    poor, Allah is more regardful of them both than you are. Therefore
    follow not low desires so that you may be able to act
    equitably. And if you conceal the truth or evade it,
    then remember that Allah is well aware of what you do.

    Allegation:

    Muhammad murdered those who insulted

    him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

    Jesus preached forgiveness.

    Answer:

    This is ridiculous! Jesus ‘had’ to show forgiveness because
    he never had any worldly power. We don’t know how he would have behaved if he
    had power or authority over his enemies. Since his enemies overpowered him, he
    had no choice but to show humility. The Holy Prophet sa on the other hand was the emperor of an Arabian empire at
    the end of his life. When he entered Mecca and took the city from the Quraish
    with 10,000 followers, he showed an example of magnanimity and forgiveness that
    no human being has ever shown. He said, “La thareeba alaikumul yaum” [All of
    you are forgiven! None of you shall be held accountable for his actions this
    day]. Show me an example of forgiveness from the life of Jesus that equals or
    even comes to this one.

    Allegation:

    Muhammad said “Jihad in the way of

    Allah elevates one’s position in Paradise by a hundred fold.”

    (Muslim 4645)

    Jesus said “Blessed are the

    peacemakers, for they will be called Sons of God.” (Matthew 5:9)

    Muhammad said “If then anyone

    transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise

    against him.” (Qur’an 2:194)

    Jesus said “If someone strikes you on

    the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” (Matthew 5:39)

    Answer:

    Deuteronomy 20:10-17:

    10 When thou comest nigh unto a city
    to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

    11 And it shall be, if it make thee
    answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that
    is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

    12 And if it will make no peace with
    thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

    13 And when the Lord thy God
    hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with
    the edge of the sword:

    14 But the women, and the little ones,
    and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt
    thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which
    the Lord thy God hath given thee.

    15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the
    cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these
    nations.

    16 But of the cities of these people,
    which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt
    save alive nothing that breatheth:

    17 But thou shalt utterly destroy
    them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the
    Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath
    commanded thee:

    Allegation:

    Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old

    child. (Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

    Jesus did not have sex with children.

    Answer:

    What was the age of Mary when she gave birth to Jesus?
    Muhammad never married any 9-year old.

  • Icefrontier

    It might already be too late for Europe. Our nativity is horrible and they keep mass importing muslims with a sky high nativity. It will only take a few generations before muslims are in the majority. I don’t think it would help even if we stopped importing straight away.

    It will end in a civil war and ethnic cleansing that will make ww2 look like a picninc in the park.