Victimized by Muslims? You Deserve It

Picture 4Late one night two years ago, only days before Christmas, two burglars wearing ski masks climbed through an open window into the Oslo home of Arild Opheim and Elin Ruhlin Gjuvsland. The noise they made woke Elin first. She saw a shadow through the bedroom door. Next thing she knew, the two intruders were on top of her and Arild, holding them down on the mattress and saying, in English, “Don’t look. Sleep. If look, we kill.”

The thugs tied up the couple – both of whom have worked for years as journalists and program hosts for NRK, the state TV and radio broadcasting system – and gathered up various items, including computers and telephones. Arild and Elin also handed over their bank cards and pin codes. The men were “very aggressive” – one of them struck Elin in the head with a blunt metal object. But they also attempted, as the couple explained last Friday on the TV talk show Skavlan and in a Dagbladet op-ed, to “win sympathy by telling their story.”

In a mixture of Spanish, Arabic, and broken English, they maintained that they “weren’t evil people” but were “in a desperate situation. They wanted to be able to reside and work and lead a normal life in Norway. But their asylum application had been rejected. Now they had no other choice than to rob us and to get money to return home.” In order to get back home “see their families,” they “needed 20,000 kroner” – about $4000. “They’d had a tough life, while Norwegians had it good.” Arild and Elin, said one of the crooks, deserved what they were getting.

(In fact, no rejected asylum seeker in Norway needs to rob anybody to get home. The Norwegian government pays all the expenses for such repatriation. And then some.)

Soon after the traumatic episode was over, both of the perpetrators were nabbed by cops. One of them, an 18-year-old Algerian who’d lived in Spain for several years, was sentenced to a year and seven months in jail and ordered to pay 60,169 kroner to Elin and 26,847 kroner to Arild. His confederate was arrested in Denmark and placed in a “youth prison,” from which he escaped; he’s now on the lam. As for Arild and Elin, the whole nightmarish experience made them, in their own words, “skittish and careful.” It caused them to think “ugly thoughts about immigrants.” Elin “couldn’t even stand hearing small children speaking Arabic.” Eventually they decided to write a book.

It’s now out, entitled Uninvited Guests. On Skavlan, they said that writing it was their salvation. For after that terrible night, you see, they were in peril – in peril of something far worse than just losing their lives. They were in peril, quite simply, of viewing themselves, and being viewed by others, as racists.

Racists! As Elin put it, she came dangerously close to buying the theory “that immigrants are just coming here to exploit us, that we have to make sure that there won’t want be too many of them, and that we’re going to be overpopulated with certain nationalities in fifty years.” She’d begun to worry that thanks to lax immigration policies, there was “going to be massive crime so that we’re not safe in our own city.” In short, she was on the brink: “I thought: ‘Damn it, is this going to turn me into a racist?’”

Pause for a moment and ponder that statement. “I thought: ‘Damn it, is this going to turn me into a racist?‘” Note, especially, the implied definition of “racist” – namely, someone who has a realistic understanding of current criminal statistics, of reasonable demographic projections, and of the less-than-noble motivations of many “non-Western immigrants.”

But Arild and Elin’s story ends in victory. To be sure, Elin admits that she’s more scared now than before about her children’s everyday security. But, she affirms triumphantly, “we haven’t become racists.” Au contraire! Thanks to those men who climbed in their window, physically abused them, and threatened their lives, she and Arild have become first-class dhimmis. As they wrote in their op-ed, they now agree with what one of their uninvited guests told them:

Yes, we are getting what we deserve….We’re getting what we deserve because of Norway’s, and Europe’s, immigration policies. Because they’re too strict.

Yep, you read that right: Europe’s immigration policies, which have transformed the continent in the blink of an eye, are “too strict.” Arild and Elin defend their thesis as follows:

Why do people move? Why do emigration and immigration take place? It’s about dreams. They have a dream that life can be better in one way or another if they move – whether it’s from one neighborhood to another or from one continent to another.

Whether one moves from Norway to Spain because one is tired of the cold or whether one comes from North Africa to Europe in the hope of working a few years and saving money for a house in one’s homeland, it amounts to the same thing. It’s dreams that motivate us. It’s totally normal. We all have dreams of another and better life. Can there be anything criminal about that?

Dreams! To put it briefly: a retired Norwegian couple who’ve worked hard all their lives and spent their savings to buy a co-op in Alicante – where they obey the law and contribute to the economy – are no different from Muslim “youths” who make their way to Norway with fake identity documents and set about bullying and tormenting the natives. They come , write Arild and Elin, “with a dream of a better life, for a period or permanently.” And what do Norwegians do?

We stick them in an asylum center – which Progress Party politicians now want to lock up, like prisons. We treat dreamers as if they were thugs. And perhaps that makes it easier for them to actually become thugs? When we crush their dreams of residency and jobs, and force them into an illegal life on the street, perhaps we do get what we deserve when they turn to crime to survive. That was what the guys who robbed us said. Over time, we’ve come to understand what they meant.

If they’re thugs, then, it’s our fault. They may rob or rape or kill us – but even as they’re doing so, we’re still the bad guys, and they’re still the real victims.

Such is the argument advanced by these two NRK journalists. It’s clear enough what happened here: Arild and Elin, in their urgent quest to avoid thinking of themselves as “racists,” grasped onto their intruder’s claim that he and his buddy would never have committed such an offense if their asylum applications hadn’t been rejected. This allows Arild and Elin to suggest that if only all asylum seekers were allowed in, such transgressions would be a thing of the past.

The tiny little problem with this proposition is that Arild and Elin’s rhetoric bears virtually no relationship to reality. Repeated horror stories coming from the asylum centers – where stabbings and riots are frequent occurrences – only serve to underscore the fact that we’re not speaking here about gentle souls driven to violence by cruel circumstance; rather, we’re speaking about a systematic, reckless endangerment of the Norwegian people by authorities who share Arild and Elin’s immunity to the facts about the people they’re importing into the country and planting, like bombs, in previously peacable rural villages. And the facts are very much on the side of those who argue for locked asylum centers and for sending rejected applicants back home at once.

In recent years, violent felonies by asylum seekers have become an outrageously disproportionate part of Norwegian life. One morning in 2004, on the same tram that my partner took to work every day at almost exactly that hour, a Somali man stabbed five people, killing one, 23-year-old Terje Mjåland (who, being deaf, may not have heard his fellow passengers’ screams). Did he deserve it? Two years later, an asylum seeker from Algeria walked into the Oslo office of a remarkably kind, gentle doctor I knew, Stein Sjaastad, and stabbed him to death. Did he deserve it?

Arild and Elin have a proposal: “Why not open the borders and let them regulate themselves?” After all, they ask, what are international boundaries other than lines on a map that have been “constantly shifting all through history”? That being the case, how can we think we have the right “to refuse to let people cross the lines we have drawn around us?” Yes, they’re aware of Oslo’s current wave of robberies and burglaries (the overwhelming majority of which have been committed by “non-Western immigrants”), and they claim to understand the need to fight crime. But the most effective approach, they say, is to “fight the need to commit crime” by “helping the dreamers – illegal immigrants – who are standing helpless on the streets of Europe.” In other words, the solution to bloodthirsty lawlessness by non-Western immigrants is to bring in more of them. If Norwegians don’t do so, “we will only continue to get what we deserve.”

So ends Arild’s and Elin’s op-ed. Reading it online, I couldn’t wait to see the reader comments. Alas, at the bottom of the page I found this single sentence: “The comments section was clos ed on Saturday afternoon owing to several hateful and harassing posts.” Not only was it closed – the comments had been removed. Fortunately, the website has reproduced them. There are hundreds, maybe thousands. I read a few dozen. They’re not “hateful and harassing.” They’re the reactions of Norwegians who have their heads screwed on straight and who’ve had it with the likes of Arild and Elin, whom they describe, variously, as “naïve,” “warped and indoctrinated,” and fiercely determined “to be politically correct.”

Indeed. For my part, I’m grateful to Arild and Elin for providing this illuminating glimpse into the psychology of political correctness. They describe their burglars as desperate to get home. But it’s Arild and Elin who, after their awful experience, were desperate to get “back home” – back home, that is, to the comforting certainties of their PC ideology.

And they did. What a stirring triumph! Their ideology came smack up against reality – and yet they found a way to cling to it nonetheless.

I look forward to their commentary on the country’s latest atrocity. On Monday evening, a rejected asylum seeker from South Sudan hijacked a bus in western Norway and murdered three people. He was living in a nearby asylum center that had been in operation for just three months ago. If the Progress Party had had its way, the center would have been locked – but of course that would’ve been inhuman. If the locals had had their way, according to news reports, the center would never have been there in the first place: it was forced upon them by county officials, who considered their opposition xenophobic.

The murder victims were the bus driver, a Swedish passenger in his fifties, and a 19-year-old girl who was identified as Margaret Molland Sanden, a chemistry and biotechnology student at the College of Oslo and Akershus whose Facebook page shows that she was a fan of Bob Dylan and of 24. Three unfortunate deaths, undoubtedly. But, after all, they got what they deserved. Right?

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  • objectivefactsmatter

    “We treat dreamers as if they were thugs.”

    It’s not funny at all yet I laughed out loud reading it. What’s wrong with these people? Thugs are no longer thugs if we can just understand that they have dreams!!!

    Awesome! Thugs no longer exist!

    • rightrightright

      You can be both. You can dream of violence, rape, torture, robbery, and then lead a life inspired by your dreams.

    • PhillipGaley

      I search the net for humor–not easy to find, and so difficult to do. Solomon left for us of wisdom: “And I will laugh at your calamity.”. I would say, though tragic, this situation of things and conclusions here described, very much qualifies as comical, . . .

      I kind of think, there has to be something in the individual which instructs him on when to fight back, . . . this, these two are entirely lacking, . . .


      And why are providing them with clothing, housing food. They dont deserve any food its a waste.There no good reason to put plates of food on table for two idiots like Arid and Erckle. They need the empty plates in their heads replaced.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        That’s why charity needs to be handled locally. It fails when recipients are told it’s a right. They need to be accountable for how they respond to merciful assistance.

        State charity has been a losing proposition ever since “social justice” rhetoric was contrived.


          we made many mistakes over thirty one social justice nonsense another is the drug war. We have so people with simple possession charges and then they can’t a job and we not only ourselves look at what is happening in Mexico. I also am guessing, that think we spend too much, hard to disagree, but on one end you say get a job on the other put things on a persons record for their lives because they got in fight in a bar at 24. Overall sir I’m would agree on most things as reasonable adults. Islam is not religion peace, beating ,starving,burning and pulling a dogs limbs out of is wrong. I would like to the Tea Party say one time that one to say a lot of money would be to just end this 40 disaster drug war. and so no one puts me the wrong category yes I am a meat eater and feel weak without being a main source of protein.IF ANYON IS NOT AWARE OF IT “PUPPY DOE” is the dog I am talking about there is FACEBOOK PAGE look forward to your response, respectfuly Illa

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I certainly don’t speak for the tea party. I’m not a member because I’m physically nowhere near any meetings. But I think I understand the essential elements.

            I think that the war on drugs at a federal level is probably also considered wasteful to a large degree, but I also think that there are programs that are far more crucial that are tied together with deceptive ideology and attacking those programs might be seen as more important and more fruitful when successful.

            I think that the drug problem is extremely complicated but the root problems go back to our failures at home and at school. We’ve been seduced in to thinking that a lot of destructive things are OK because that’s what liberal societies are all about. Preserving liberties means also taking responsibility and clearly that is supposed to start at home. Many have failed there in a big way.

            “IF ANYON IS NOT AWARE OF IT “PUPPY DOE” is the dog I am talking about there is FACEBOOK PAGE…”

            Polish immigrant Radoslaw Artur Czerkawski needs to spend 55 years in prison. He’s too dangerous to live as a free person. People like that are one step away from doing it again, possibly to humans.


            Been finding lot of good people here this morning:)

            Somehow it was this that gave me the Tea Party platform/member impression>>That’s why charity needs to be handled locally. It fails when recipients are told it’s a right. They need to be accountable for how they respond to merciful assistance.
            It also if you read my again I meant as a joke and was greatly thrown off by serious which I totally had not expected:)

            I did mean not mean to be rude in any way, only forward and apologize if it came out otherwise:)

            And I absolutely agree with you about this>>>Preserving liberties means also taking responsibility and clearly that is supposed to start at home. Many have failed there in a big way.


            Some withered nerve in her brain twitched slightly, she softened, smiled, and told him the story of her grandfather who had been a page at Queen Victoria’s coronation.
            “That was another world” he said.
            “Another civilization,” she corrected him, “the one I was born into. It has died. I say: died, not vanished, because it was a living organism. A civilisation based on the family. What has taken its place is not alive; an atomised society, without security, without warmth, a chaos of fragmented mechanical relationships. O, I know as well as you do, that in my world all was not well, there was ignorance and poverty. But the right way was not to tear that world down and replace it anarchy. The family base should have been extended, cherished, encouraged.”
            -Storm Jameson, 1966
            The Early Life of Stephen Hind

            This is the way the world ends
            This is the way the world ends
            This is the way the world ends
            Not with a bang but with a whimper
            -T.S. Elliot
            “The Hollow Man”

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “I did mean not mean to be rude nor confrontational in only forward and apologize if it came out otherwise:)”

            Not at all. Happy to have your comments.


          I was referring to the victims by the way. I mean if nothing else they are self supporting. Cutting their food supply, would be Ultra-conservative :)

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I understand the urge to “cut off” the gravy train. Unfortunately once we’ve gotten someone in a situation through our own stupidity we have obligations to make a graceful exit rather than simply cutting and running.

            But I don’t mean the mere appearance of graceful, I mean truly allowing people who are stuck to find their way, but we can immediately start purging the frauds while doing the graceful thing for those who deserve it.


            truly allowing people who are stuck to find their way<<< when speak about the red scarlett lettering,I made my own mistakes when


            Arid and Erckle are still a waste of food :)

    • Me

      They’re “dreamers” all right. They “dream” of taking everything you have.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    “Arild and Elin have a proposal: “Why not open the borders and let them regulate themselves?” After all, they ask, what are international boundaries other than lines on a map that have been “constantly shifting all through history”?”

    People die every day. What’s the point of living?

    • defcon 4

      Maybe if they go to Somalia they can find out the answer to your query. She’ll get raped while he gets his head cut off — good islamic fun for everyone!


      and Arid and Erckle should reading not writing, they need to start reading all over so they realize they have been had, this is a great article if anyone see’s the two fools please sit them down like little children and read to them

  • Chezwick

    I wish to God we could have those Op-Ed comments on ‘’ translated to English. Over the years, Bruce has painted such a hopeless picture of Norway and Sweden, it would be a real boost to read some common sense and situational awareness coming from the Norwegian people.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      You can. Run the URL through google translate.

      • Chezwick

        Won’t accept the following link…..reproduced

        • objectivefactsmatter

          You can also paste the text in directly if the URL fails.

    • Breidablikk

      Get on Twitter You can find people to from there and get straight unsensored, as its happening. I am logged here by my Twitter account. I know a some folks on there in Brittain Due the Muslim invasion the are dealing with. Mohamed the Pig is one my favorites on there. It sharpens you mind too because you have to be witty:0

  • Simon

    That is the power of fear that the liberal establishment relies on – the fear of being ostracised by the liberal establishment and being known as a racist, bigot, homophobe, islamophobe, crazy right winger, insane prolifer, etc.

    Don’t fear man, fear God alone.

  • herb benty

    The American left must drool at Norways PC perfection.

    • defcon 4

      I always wonder why the American left shows no interest in moving to such multicultural paradises like Somalia, Pakistain, Bangaldesh, Syria, Iraq, the Sudan or Iran? Why do they choose to admire islam0fascist states from afar? Why don’t they live their dream?

      • herb benty

        Because, deep down, they know for instance, that China has 90 million people living in caves, in Sudan millions of non-muslims are slaughtered and starved to death in Darfur, Venezuala with all it’s oil wealth can’t supply it’s citizens with toilet paper. This is the totalitarian “paradise/nightmare in reality. Their DREAM(Satanic lie), is that arrogant intellectual elites can do totalitarianism, BETTER”. These Western ignoramouses feel they can perfect the communist plan. NOTHING is better than free-enterprise operating in America, NOTHING. But being a rebel is addicting to them as it was to Lucifer.

      • MProblem

        LOL, did they ever want to move to their beloved Commie paradises in East Germany or Soviet Union during the Cold War? They have soft, cushy, taxpayer-funded jobs in the West. NOBODY loves to suck Western capitalists taxpayer teat more than a Marxist. During the Cold War they sucked Western teat and Communist under-the-table-teat too–double dipping! No wonder they were so mad when the Soviet Union went down–there went half of the rich cream they were sucking down in their cushy jobs!


        and the “multicultural paradises” was stealth:)


        do you follow Mohamed the Pig” on twitter? If not I highly checking him out. I am on am posting by Twitter account name:0 Come on by it is a FEAST :)

    • Chubby Freen

      Perhaps the American Left will do us a favor and move there…


        talk is cheap!!! :)

      • herb benty

        Are you kidding, they want America’s best AND communism.


      I new one this dumb once. When he 41, according to police report he simply walked down the railroad tracks waving to the conductor. Because he just caused trouble with everyone, what’s wrong with there jobs and lives and how polluting we were, on and on it went. On that morning day he realized, he was a load mouthed idiot who no one wanted anything to ever do with. Friends, family the owner of corner everyone that was doing something while he criticized. He is not missed not ever. These two be either :)

      • herb benty

        Certainly hope so, I’d rather they woke up though.

  • Tabitha Bliss

    More proof that liberalism is a mental disorder.

    • lessthantolerant



      what a couple of fucking morons.

    • mtattoo

      Micheal Savage said it best

    • bill james

      There can be no other explanation.
      -10/28/10 NBC news:
      University of California at Davis and Harvard University find “Liberal Gene” as partial answer as to why liberals think the way they do.
      Or maybe they have a pathological condition which results in a yearning to commit cultural suicide?

    • JLP

      yup classical liberalism definitely is :|

      but the real proof is that islamism is a mental disorder. obviously, for who else but a mental case could defend ideas supported by these extremists (such as the death penalty, worship of authority, banning of abortion, feudalism, separation of classes…)?

      • Baluba

        This isn’t liberalism. It’s socialism.

  • Drakken

    Just wait until one of these “cultural enrichers” rob, rape or try to murder the wrong person, you will see the PC brigade go into full meltdown mode screaming racism as the savages kill them. Human nature being what it is, I wonder how many more straws is the camels back going to take before it breaks and all hell breaks lose?

  • antioli

    How long would Arild and Elin last om the subways of new york before they provoked innocent Thugs into attacking them?

    • tagalog

      Ask Bernhard Goetz.

      • defcon 4

        I wonder if he ever won his civil suit? After all the thugs who accosted him weren’t point sharpened screwdrivers at him to screw in any loose bolts.


          I just looked him up recently busted for by undercover waste time and resource. Any one article still said -allegedly robbed by- sure thing :)

          • defcon 4

            They were just a wandering band of aspiring electricians looking for some screws to practice on w/their sharpened screwdrivers.


      your simple being is all the provoking and they need…

  • American1969

    These people are idiots. I think the robbers hit them on the head too hard.


      Not hard enough :)

  • Jason

    I feel sick reading this. What more will it take for idiots like Arild and Elin to wake up? I’d say they’d have to kill children, but they already do that, so I’m not sure. Ultra dhimmis, I guess they were just paying their Jizya.

    I have one hope. Homosexuals will save us. Being a homophobe is as bad as being a racist in leftist circles. Once gays are persecuted I’d say that there’d be a backlash against Islam, or at least a realisation of what it is. Funny thing is gays already know this, and are generally smart enough to stay out of trouble. My cousin lives in London and he stays the hell away from any Muslim areas, he knows he’s unsafe if he so much as talks to a muslim there.

  • tagalog

    “I’m afraid for my children’s security; but I’m not a racist.”

    So everything is all right.

    We live in a civilization of narcissists. With Western birth rates falling, Westerners are disappearing. If there’s such a thing as cosmic order, maybe we’ll go extinct and give the world a break.

    • P. Collard

      Well, it’s obviously OK if their children are raped and killed, so long as it is not by a Norwegian native. Because the “racism” of depriving the rapists and murderers of their “dreams” is FAR worse than the rape and murder themselves.

      These sick idiots are a MENACE to themselves and their children.

      • laura

        remember what happend in fort hood w/the “work place violence”? the army still wont allow the soldiers to be armed. they said they wont do that, or change the policies. they said “diversity” was the most important. yes, multy culty it is a CULT! who were the people in early america who beat themselves? were they called calvinists? hmmm. white folks have some strange thoughts.


          Diversity is more than being armed at an Army base. Good make this live politely correct bullshit Just like not letting people smoke in a bar. The political correctness that killed the cat.

  • Infidel4Ever

    Sadly, their “reasoning” is very common in the West among the politically correct. One reason I believe we have lost and the tipping point has been passed.

    • Drakken

      But the silent majority is yet to be heard, when they do finally say something, it will make the Balkans pale in comparison.


        The problem with silent majority in US is that when they are heard it is often the sound of putting their foot in their mouth. with respect:)

        • Drakken

          Ah yes of course, but the majority of conservatives are armed and it scares the daylights out of the left. With respect ;)


            A constitutional right which I FULLY support and would NOT vote to take away, curtail or limit in any way.


      I always was an Alfred E.Neuman fan:)

  • Renaissance Nerd

    What’s really funny is that their experience DID turn them into racists. Can’t expect these swarthy fellow to be adults! It’s not like they’re white Norwegians who are grown up enough to live their lives according to the law! Can’t expect adult behavior from helpless infants who can’t ever be treated as rational human beings! The difference between paternalistic condescending racism and the less popular kind is purely superficial. Underneath it’s the same old disdain for the lesser breeds of human. The left never gave up on eugenics and racism, they just changed their tone ever since Hitler discredited so many of their ideas.

    Arild and Elin are racists. They look down on ‘asylum seekers’ as sub-humans who can never be fully human and treated with the respect or disrespect an adult human can earn by his or her deeds. They will always be lesser children to these racists, always.

    • laura

      i dont think racists, i think masocists. actually now they will be a target, as word on the street knows they are available.


        His argument makes sense Ive heard made before

    • defcon 4

      Wow, that is an interesting PoV. I think Mr. Greenfield might have written something similar in the past.

    • jhon

      is there any other kind of norugues who dont be white?!!

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  • donqpublic

    There are two words for this: Stockholm Syndrome.

    • laura

      no such thing as that “syndrome”. when someone is kidnapped for a long time, they are in trauma, cant trust anyone including the rescuers. bad example.

      • donqpublic

        Well, if there’s no such thing as that syndrome, I guess the social scientists were all wrong, although you do manage to recount some of the empirical conditions for that fantasy syndrome that doesn’t exist in Stockholm.

  • Roy_Cam

    Evil has really done its job when the “possessed” lack any semblance of capacity for self-preservation.

    The irony is that the Norwegians’ dedication to “being good” is actually a full-blown case of being evil for real, especially as they propagate that insane POV outward to others.

    What we have in the US is the cold and the ‘flu version of this. Norway has a full-blown version of the plague.

    • laura

      i knew people like this. they say they would do the “same” in the position of the alien or afro american. they would forgive if they were injured. its a free world, be my guest.

      • Roy_Cam

        I had a roommate (white lib) a long time ago that said, “If a black man killed me, it would be justified.”

        Of course, I straightened him out but I do wonder if, decades later, he has reverted.

        • laura

          interesting: i contacted a childhood friend, i hadnt seem in many yrs. hes a marxist 69yrs old. we had many discussions, phone/email. no matter how many articals vids (glazov, evan sayet), he is in the same mindset. he calls himslef a white anti white. emailed him to say that he was “pathological, dangerous- since i am white, i need to take precauctions”. guess he put his foot in his mouth.


            Tape a cartoon of muhammed on his back.

          • laura

            seriously these progressives are very dangerous. this has spread to just ordinary folks as well. they will never take the side of their own.

        • lessthantolerant

          Too bad it did not happen, one less liberal is always a good thing.

          • Roy_Cam

            You have earned your moniker, there, “lessthantolerant”. Ex-libs often makes the best opponents of liberalism, though.

          • lessthantolerant

            I agree but the conversion does not always happen. I too have a friend who used to be a rabid liberal but it took his son dying of a drug overdose to convert him, now he is a bitter anti liberal who sees conspiracies everywhere. he is called a racist uncle tom by too many of his old liberal friends and family and I worry about him. I know his pain is deep.
            Liberalism destroys the soul.

        • knowshistory

          i see where your roommate is coming from. i have slapped so may mosquitoes, killed so many ticks, and swatted so many flies that if an insect were to kill me, it would be justified. for my own species-ist, selfish reasons i intend to keep on killing as many pests as i can, but i would prefer that they just quit sucking my blood so we could live in peace.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          That’s the insanity of collectivism.


          Both were immigrants my father Sicily,Italy my mother from East Germany. I was born 1966 my parents had nothing to with this, nor do I see how anyone else’s descendants owe someone else’s anything. I have been told by some these idiots by simply the fact I am Euro-American <just though would that on)That some collective responsibility in this is shared as well. This is one best little brainwashing stunts seen any people get suckered into, them not me.


      I have knew a full blow case in my earlier years. I posted about him hour or so back/forward?

  • ben t

    A look back in history to the decline and fall of the great empires of the past, Greek, Roman, Byzantine, British and other modern European powers, and now us, show they all share the same traits. Decadence, disdain, indifference, despisal, ignorance of their own history and culture. In hindsight they had a complete blindness to the forces that were destroying them. Barzun’s “From Dawn To Decadence” does an excellent job in describing how modern Western Civilization developed and got where it is today. God help us.

    • JoJoJams

      Too true, unfortunately.

  • Annonymous

    I’m 70 years old and I was raped by a black man when I was 17. I woke to find him on top of me with a knife at my throat. I’m not sure I’ve ever written before or talked about his being black. I was raised as a good liberal. I felt pity for him, having a life so terrible he had to do this to me. the world of reality has been turned upside down. But I’m not like that anymore,. I see danger and name it, and get into a lot of trouble for that. It’s cult-like belief and to challenge it is to risk being called crazy or racist, and to risk expulsion from the cult. In a cult there is no room for disagreement. I guess people accept it because of the sense of belonging, the sense of “greater good.” I was raped by a black man. I am white, and I know black women are raped too, but how does that make my rape any less important? Sad commentary,,,,

    • James Edward

      God bless you for your candor.

      • liamjq

        haha idiot and the fools who plussed you

    • liamjq

      is this a spoof???…hopefully it is….but I hope this cynicism doesnt make me any less bad!!

    • jhon

      and by blacks behave like animals among them should accept this behavior among us? far as to say that race does not matter? is this?

  • Godagesil Rex

    Better it they had been killed by the intruders and turned into martyrs rather than schills for islam. Europe will become just another backward Islamic part of the world in another 100 years. Islam will have another victory of islamification.

    • Drakken

      We are in for the most interesting times my friend and it won’t be in a 100 years, it is here and it is now, just waiting for someone to light the match.

      • Guest

        Just to be clear, the hope I see is logic of our not continuing this silly “Dance with Wolves”. The “breaking off” of affairs with the Muslim world, to minimalist point. Making the need for war unnecessary. I personaly would not myself participate in nor would I advocate any use of violence by others.


      There is still hope for the West :) found here in the Survival Guide for Western Civilization(my take) textbook “2083”- A European Declaration of Independence by Anders Breivik

  • A Z

    “The comments section was closed on Saturday afternoon owing to several hateful and harassing posts.”

    Closing a comments section is similar to closing a public square.

    It prevents people from exchanging ideals and from taking an informal poll to find out what others (majority and minority) think politically. If people are allowed to congregate on a public square or in a online forum “internet public square, they will be able to compare the will of the people to the policies of the politicians and intelligentsia. OBVIOUSLY THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN! thus the forums will be closed when the poltical pilice decide it wise to do so. We would not want to have an “online” riot of outraged voting citizens.

    It is about control. Only official polls designed to get produced “reliable results from the way a question is asked, the nervous of the pollee knowing that the questioner knows who they are, or polls taken so frequently that you know that they will be asked over & over again until the right answer is received. The minders of [comments sections (political; forums are the handmaiden of pollsters who use psychological techniques to skew polls.

  • Marlin B. Newburn

    Masochistic Altruism.

    Now these two Norwegians have shown the world their self-perceived moral superiority, and that beating the daylights out of someone while robbing them is a valid response when someone says “no”. Will rape now be validated by these two “higher minds” as they explain that a rapist deserves unwanted sex, and it is unfair to deny him?

    It appears this pathology has reached across the big pond, coming from America all the way to Norway.

  • cacslewisfan

    Somebody please put those two idiots out of their misery! Send them to the asylum centers to live, sell all their possessions and give the money to those poor wide eyed dreamers! Liberalism isn’t just a mental disorder, it’s a death wish. God help the Norwegians.



  • anaddas

    Mental suicide.

  • laura

    what if they were knifed, raped, & in critical condition? what if they survived but were handicapped? difficult to say what kind of book they would write. i think the weatern world is becoming ISLAMIC. martyerhood is the next thing for white people. they will brag about how much they were punished. talk shows, etc. if they die, they will be heros. i see this coming, its here.

  • mendezjb

    If we allow open borders in the west, then I suggest that Saudi Arabia do the same. So we can flood these countries with Christian immigrants who will start building churches, taking jobs, and doing as we please. The women will wear bikinis on the beaches, the men will go places in public without a male escort for their dates, and the Muslims will just have to take it. After all, the open borders will just regulate themselves. all will be well.

    • defcon 4

      And equal rights for sorcerers and witches!


      O.K i’m in!!! You go first:)

  • defcon 4

    Israel should pay to send their entire muslime population to Norway — in the interests of promoting multiculturalism in the low countries.


      At least the terrorists Israel was forced to release should be sent to norway.

      Brevik should be released to do more house cleaning in norway.

  • defcon 4

    If you’re not allowed in areas of the UK because of your religion or sexual orientation, doesn’t that kinda seem like persecution?

    • David Brown

      and racism.

  • poetcomic1

    Remember when a conservative was a liberal who has been mugged? Even a little ‘diversity’ upside the head don’t seem to make no difference with these Scandinavian-Manchurian hard-drives.

  • glpage

    They should campaign for laws that would require them to pass out money to any indigent immigrants. Since they deserved being beaten and robbed because they had and their attackers didn’t why don’t we just avoid the whole criminal activity thing and force the “haves” to give what they have to the “have-nots”. Oh wait, that’s socialism…

  • PowertodaPeople1848

    Unlike you reactionary neocons, I believe that violence again other people is never excusable and must be condemned. But as usual, you fail to deconstruct the racial narrative underlying immigrant angst in Europe. The amount of Islamophobia pervading White Europe is appalling and lays the groundwork for the desperation that young Muslim immigrants feel towards the societies in which they’re living. Europe is becoming multicultural, and the sporadic violence of disaffected Muslim youth pales in comparison to the systemic racism that so-called “native” Europeans are visiting upon them. You’re not “better” than anyone else…get used to it. Time for Europe to make a better effort in integrating its immigrants.

    • P. Collard

      As a liberal, I find your comments to be imbecilic and depraved. The amount of INFIDELOPHOBIA against non-Muslims GLOBALLY,including in Europe, is appalling.

      Why do you act against your liberal brothers and sisters in Egypt, for example, who helped overthrew the Islamizing government there?

      It is NOT time for Europe to do anything but protect itself from these invading marauders destroying their culture.

      You should be ashamed of yourself for your racist call to genocide against the European natives.

      • PowertodaPeople1848

        You’re no liberal, not in the true sense. A liberal wouldn’t disparage an entire religion for the depraved actions of a small few.

        I shouldn’t be surprised that you’re unfamiliar with Critical Race Theory, but racism against a ruling class is, by definition, impossible. You can’t be racist against the majority-white power structures in Europe, and the notion of “white genocide” is a fiction created by white supremacists–hardly something a “liberal” would be touting.

        As for the people of Egypt, they democratically elected the Morsi government, which was subsequently overthrown in a military coup. But I supposed you’re content subjugating the Egyptian people under a military dictatorship for the next 30 years…

        • laura r

          if one race hates another thats racism. if dark people hate ligher its racism. have experienced this in 3rd world countries. the hatred, cruelity, ignorance is disgusting. even if the darker person is wealthy they still want to rob you in some way. they think you owe them, meanwhile they have a million $ home. hell w/them. all of them, laborers, professionals politicians, all of them. let the few decent ones prove themselves to me. the few i am friends with AGREE!

        • UCSPanther

          You’re just butthurt over the Egyptian people sending Morsi and his tyrannical Muslim Brotherhood to the trash heap for trying to deprive them of their livelihoods.

          You commies are going to learn: Never screw with peoples’ livelihoods or threaten their lives. You do, and you will have a huge problem on your hands.

          The Shining Path terrorists in Peru found that out the hard way…


            Any attempt at cutting off the drugs will end in major debacle as well. Just saying:)

        • MProblem

          You should be expelled to the Third World toilet of your choice. You do not belong in the West, period. We’ve had enough of your kind and your destructive ideologies.

        • JoJoJams

          “I shouldn’t be surprised that you’re unfamiliar with Critical Race
          Theory, but racism against a ruling class is, by definition, impossible.
          You can’t be racist against the majority-white power structures in

          You do realize (no….you don’t…) that this “theory” is utter hogwash and completely discredited by any reputable psychiatrists and Social scientists, don’t you? Any human being is capable of racism – and your ignorant ranting is no refutation of evolution and the reality of the human condition. Quite frankly, your sophomoric mindset disgusts me.

        • Drakken

          I can’t wait until we start hanging communist like you in droves. I would happily kick the stool from under commi’s like you.

          • hiernonymous

            “I can’t wait until we start hanging communist like you in droves. I would happily kick the stool from under commi’s like you.”

            So you don’t have the gumption to get things started, but you’ll be a stool-kicker once better men than you get things going – is that how one reads your post?

            Love these internet revolutionaries.

          • defcon 4

            You must love muslimes then, death threats are their standard response to criticism of their death cult.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Dude, we all know that people without power are oppressed by people with power. If you’re a loser and a victim, blame the successful people. And people who are violent are always victims of oppression otherwise why would they turn to violence? These are just the simple facts.

            It will never end until we have global communism. It’s the only way to true justice.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “So you don’t have the gumption to get things started, but you’ll be a stool-kicker once better men than you get things going – is that how one reads your post?”

            You think anarchy is admirable? He’s waiting for lawful orders.

          • hiernonymous

            He’s not a soldier; there are no lawful orders for him to receive, nor is there anyone who could offer such orders in a manner as to make them lawful.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “He’s not a soldier…”

            You know this how? And in his scenario he’s obviously waiting for authority. You have a problem with due process?

            “…there are no lawful orders for him to receive…”

            Not today. That’s why he’s waiting.

            “…nor is there anyone who could offer such orders in a manner as to make them lawful.”

            Not today.

          • hiernonymous

            “You know this how?”

            Because we’ve had conversations on the subject, and he has said that he is an employee of Academi (well, he actually said he was an employee of Xe, but he was having trouble keeping up with the name of his employer).

            “Not today. That’s why he’s waiting.”

            And I noted that he didn’t have the gumption to make the changes he champions.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Because we’ve had conversations on the subject, and he has said that he is an employee of Academi (well, he actually said he was an employee of Xe, but he was having trouble keeping up with the name of his employer).”

            I’ll take his word for it.

            “And I noted that he didn’t have the gumption to make the changes he champions.”

            So you are an anarchist at heart. An internationalist anarchist, or an anarchist that believes in strong international institutions. Very interesting.

          • hiernonymous

            “So you are an anarchist at heart.”

            Very interesting, indeed.


            You allowed the anti-Christaling to infiltrate the Department Heart of which you are in charge. This is why you sent our men, the great men of the “Onlined Forces” to war unprepared, sheep for slaughter. This why there was never enough power now how drew, why party and lights for our beloved nation of SIM dim:) I have it as well this sense of taxing if I were give at name I would call a “dimmification” You have no idea what it means to be a good circuit, a positive connection to the path of least resistance to the good star.


            Well, he is now that you went kicked-off the revolution, never even consulting this congress,I might add. There was ample time for preparing, building supplies, consider all options and strategies. Then well prepared would carry out the attack in the spring, ALL to OUR advantage. Instead, the great men our “Onlined Forces”,are freezing up due to low RAM, and hard storage. In other cases we don’t have the luxury of time to get those security systems and fences up around the bases and camps giving the enemy access to valuable information and cause some very bewildering event to occur, events we are still bewildered about having fully eliminated. There have been threats of siege and cut-off by other unknown forces if ‘fees’ were not paid!!! All because of the instability of one power hungry General never drawing enough and allowing what did have, to all go to his head, and start the revolution without us!!!!

          • Drakken

            You have an extremely bad habit of reading into things that are not there, why am I not surprised haji?

          • hiernonymous

            “…why am I not surprised haji?”

            I’ve told you that I’m not Muslim, but you address me as Haji – that suggests that your response to input is so dull that surprise is beyond your capacity.


            Oh it true then, once you are aware of static and negativity and offensive his it make how you ever missed it the first place. Also there’s that distinct UPC code tattoo he got when the system came about “COOL” live up to those rumors keep everyone in fear of, on the lookout Scanners bad code that would cause your heart to darken and your head to explode :)

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “As for the people of Egypt, they democratically elected the Morsi government, which was subsequently overthrown in a military coup. But I supposed you’re content subjugating the Egyptian people under a military dictatorship for the next 30 years…”

          Say what? Egypt is a victim of America? Of “whites?”

          Um, OK…

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “I shouldn’t be surprised that you’re unfamiliar with Critical Race Theory, but racism against a ruling class is, by definition, impossible.”

          You do know what “theory” means I assume.

          “You can’t be racist against the majority-white power structures in Europe…”

          Well you can, but then it defies the “laws” of Critical Race Theory.

        • History Buff

          I was “educated” in Critical Race Theory, Women’s Studies, Gender Studies, Cultural Competency, and a whole host of other social engineering dialectics back in my university days, which I readily digested-buying into the oft, yet subtly repeated message that we were now a part of the enlightened. I felt superior-the same kind of superiority I detect in your nonsensical, factually and historically void diatribe. You’ve been indoctrinated out of any critical thinking skills you may have had prior to being “educated”.

          When you grow-up and take back your mind, you’ll realize that you were used and lied to. Here’s some honest history for you-a closed mind is a sign of occult control.

    • Drakken

      Then welcome to the new Balkans on steroids you commi fook! You effing libtards who have pushed for this abomination and cultural suicide will pay the piper for doing so. The day of reckoning is coming, when you red commibastards import the 3rd world, you become the 3rd world, and your damn right we Europeans are better than anything the god forsaken 3rd world has to offer.



      I hope your entire family becomes the target of immigrant angst. When your mother cries, you can condemn her for being racist.

      • PowertodaPeople1848

        “SCREW SOCIALISM” How nuanced. Another neocon troglodyte engaging in intellectually vapid hyperbole. Next hasbara troll!

        • UCSPanther

          Your arrogance will be your downfall. Mark my words.

        • defcon 4

          But neocon troglodtyes aren’t involved in the persecution, ethnic cleansing, rape, forcible conversion and genocide of people of other faiths Abd Al Taqiyya.

        • Drakken

          How come your not in the 3rd world sh**hole of your choice praising the utopia of communism and Islamic jihad? Come on, put your money where your mouth is.

    • laura

      no one forced them to go there. they get full benefits from the goverment, thats a welcome party! gee, my family was shunned as well, they never killed or committed crimes. they never got welfare as there wasnt any. people in europe didint like the jews. why should these islamists get special treatment. are they morally inferior??? im beginning to wonder about that. do tell.

      • matteo zorzi

        they play the victim card

    • UCSPanther

      Ever wondered what happens when the natives start fighting back?

      Keep pushing, and you’ll find out soon enough.

      • PowertodaPeople1848

        Yes, it’s called an intifada. I’m sure a Zionist like you is very familiar with the term.

        Muslims immigrants have moved to Europe in accord with European immigration laws; this is nothing like Zionist land theft and supplanting of the native population.

        Even if “white genocide” were anything more but a white supremacist fantasy, I can’t think of it happening to a nicer group of people. White Europeans (including Asheknazi Jews) and the capitalist power structure have oppressed and subjugated just about every other society on the planet. If they got a taste of their own medicine, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.

    • UCSPanther

      You can have the Norwegian Eloi if you want, but we won’t make it easy for you commies and multicultural parasites…

    • Drakken

      You haven’t seen so called islamophobia yet commi, but your going to see a Balkans on steroids soon enough, the natives are getting sick to the back teeth of the 3rd world shoved up their azz and choking on it, soon the mantra will be let allah sortem out. Keep up the great work pushing those communist ideas of yours, I see a lamppost and rope in your future for your effort.

    • Drakken

      Your complete utter lack of understanding of what is going to happen to folks on left and 3rd world invaders like you is going to be the stuff of legend sung around a thousand campfires for a thousand years.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “The amount of Islamophobia pervading White Europe is appalling and lays the groundwork for the desperation that young Muslim immigrants feel towards the societies in which they’re living.”

      Islam-o-phobia causes criminal behavior. So it really is the white man’s fault? Thanks for explaining. I hadn’t heard that one before.

      “Time for Europe to make a better effort in integrating its immigrants.”

      Time for immigrants to decide if they want to integrate and obey the law rather than cry victim after trying to bring their own conflicting values to another culture. Multicultural does not mean “anything goes.” They’re owed equal opportunities, nothing more. Success is still up to each individual.

    • History Buff

      Read a few old thick history books. Islam has been viciously and violently attacking other cultures (Islam mean submission) for the last 700 years -europeans were taken as slaves for their harems. The entire culture is built on the Qu’ran, which instructs them to convert, by force, the world to Islam for Allah. Islam interrupted entire trade routes, making trade in commerce and knowledge impossible resulting in a prolonged dark age. Islam also burned the majority of literature and scientific knowledge books in each country/culture they attacked, citing that the Qu’ran was the only book necessary-a loss for worse than the murder of the genius mathematician Archimedes by the Romans. They also stole knowledge from other cultures claiming it for Islam and Allah. It is what it is.


      Powertodapeople seems to have forgotten to turn off the valve, letting the power run out and pollute over everything in typical communist lazy, leaving nearly none at all for proper brain function.

  • perma2

    Violence is indeed powerful. You can’t blame the victims for irrational reactions after a serious trauma like this. Violence destroys not only your body, but your spirit too. I feel sorry for this couple with their broken minds. They have had their lives ruined. I feel anger towards the publisher who has printed this book. They should have been protected against themselves.

    • laura

      why are their lives “ruined”?

      • perma2

        How would you feel if somebody invaded your home and threatend to kill you? I bet you would have been pretty scared. It’s not easy to feel safe again. It’s a seious psycological trauma.

        • laura r

          this happens all the time in mexico. my parents retired there (30yrs), i lived there for 11yrs. home invasions against retired expats are commen, especially last 6yrs. (purse snatch & breakins werent enough, it escalated). some were murdered, some were injured. some were just tied up, it varied. other had to go to the cash machine. others are stopped in their cars, gun to head, cash machine, then car is stolen & left out in nowhere. are most of these 55 to 85 yrs old liberal? yes- some leave, most do not. the ones who are not injured get over it, & still “love mexico”. they celebrate the fact that “it could have been worse”. the police local/state/federal also home invade. this is a way of life in central america/so america. yet, as bad as it can get, most are in denial. this is an american/canadian/ european illness. these 2 jounalists lives are not ruined. they have the house, no permanent injuries, the bank may have returned the cash as it was fraud, they werent injured. they MADE $$ from the book! they have all the attention, they are famous.

    • MProblem

      No, they shoudl be expelled to a “vibrant” Third World country and then we can live in peace without their stupidity.


      There is part in here that speaks exactly to that point. Not only people but that western government have started to operate in sort of mindset and is they refuse to confront issues of ilsamification in the west -VERY INTERESTING “2083”- A European Declaration of Independence by Anders Breivik

  • P. Collard

    You know, Bruce, these natives are SO stupid and self-loathing that perhaps they DO deserve what they get.

    Disgustingly idiotic.


      It really does seem to fit old “taking candy from baby”

  • Nils Henriksen

    Frankly, I am embarrassed on behalf of that couple. This also shows what mentality many journalists in Norway have.

  • A Z

    Let’s lok at the refugees “plight” from the standpoint of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.

    In the Nordic country no one is trying to kill them. Further they have food, shelter and clothing. So they already have the 1st level of needs met. What some of them might have is a future with work/career, family and the rest. Those who are accepted could have that provided they put forth honest work into it. those not accepted could still find that in another country European of Muslim.

    The reality is that rather than work for a living they would rather be rich robber barons.

    You have to conclude that because accepted refugees are give generous financial assistance. They have less stress than you typical college freshman.

    “The tiny little problem with this proposition is that Arild and Elin’s rhetoric bears virtually no relationship to reality. Repeated horror stories coming from the asylum centers – where stabbings and riots are frequent occurrences – only serve to underscore …”

    • matteo zorzi

      in belgium an asy,um seeker gets 1300 euros per month

  • edlancey

    There is only one ghastly vignette missing:

    Erin: “You know Arild, I found the whole experience very erotic”
    Arild: “You know Erin, so did I”


      Could of have done without that one :)

  • lessthantolerant

    Lets hope next time they get murdered.

    • laura

      no not murdered. better that people live after they are brutalized. if they sing the same tune, maybe it will have an affect on the other progressives. maybe more people will change.

      • lessthantolerant

        Agreed seriously brutalized would be nice.

        • laura

          the idea is the get folks to change. if they are dead, then they cant speak to other progressives. im sure there are some sickos who will stay w/the “religion” no matter what. think of how many cults there have been in america. (remember horowitz was a communist, now he gives us this forum).

          • MProblem

            Horowitz only left communism because his friend got murdered.

          • laura r

            these days the newer kids would stay on. anyway, murder is a good enough reason to wake him up.

        • MProblem

          Just expel them to the “superior” Third World toilet of their choice.

          • lessthantolerant

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            Let’s sent them to Hugo’s Utopia! Look here is an example of American health care five years after Oaamacare is enacted!

  • Mickey Oberman

    A couple of Swedish meatballs.

  • MProblem

    This is why we need to expel all Marxists from our lands. They can go and live in the Third World latrine of their choice, the ones they say they love so much.

  • Baa Baa White Sheep

    Ravings of the truly stupid sheeple

  • Howdy_dowdy

    Fact: The Norwegian government pays for repatriation – and then some. So the idea that robbing was ‘necessary’ is bs.

  • glennd1

    What a stunning lack of basic self-respect and preservation. But this sentiment underlies many leftist’s worldview. They seem to believe they can just wish away the modern nation state without a negative effect in society and culture. The left takes great pride in the beief that they have a sophisticated view of society and the world, yet their ideas ignore what we know about social systems. They seem to think that preserving what has worked about our societies is innately unfair or bigoted somehow.

    Multi-culturalism is dead. The many honest thinkers in Europe are saying it out loud more and more. There were disclosures earlier this year that the labor party in the U.K., when in power, intentionally ratcheted up immigration for the sole purpose increasing labor party voter numbers. I think the same phenomena at work here. People who support such ideas are actually supporting the very death of our own cultures. Our classical liberal values, puritan work ethic and independent spirit are what make us American. Why can’t leftists acknowledge that simple truth? The highly ordered, peaceful and productive societies that have emerged in the west did not arise randomly, but rather are the byproduct of our values and traditions. How can that not be obvious? Whether you are a leftie or not?

    • JoJoJams

      It is sadly amazing, isn’t it?

      • glennd1

        it’s not even ideological. You want to build up the welfare state, well, that’s bad enough. But they just want to burn the whole house down with no idea what do with it once the have. I remember reading that the founders of a famous socialist colony started in the U.S. in the mid-19th century called New Harmony wrote to Karl Marx, asking him for practical implementation advice as they were having trouble making socialism work. Marx scoffed at them and sneered. He offered less than no advice and readily admitted he had no idea how to actually manage the collective “system” he envisioned.

        This is why I’m a conservative. Not because I’m religious – cuz I’m not – I’m an atheist. Not because I’m a prude – I’m not, I’m a hedonist in fact. No, it’s because I recognize the value of culture and tradition. That doesn’t mean we don’t decide to consciously repair or improve parts of it, but rather that we are reluctant to, and are careful when we do.

        I also think that being a conservative means understanding the humility men should use to temper their wild dreams. A prudent man understands the limits of political and human action, and the unpredictable world in which we live. I think it was Calvin Coolidge who said that he didn’t worry about far off problems as nine out of ten of them went of the rails before they got to him, or something like that.

        I still believe in words like integrity and honor. I think a man should try to be a gentleman. I thin being polite and acknowledging each other when we are out and about in our communities is nice. I think I’m a dying breed.

        • JoJoJams

          We share a lot in common regarding mindsets and ideologies.

          In honest curiosity, were you exposed to religion in your early years, or have you been an atheist from the get-go? The remarks about humility and prudence, and the historical references, as well as others comments, lead me to believe that in your early years, you had some religion. I guess I just don’t see all that many atheists (from birth/upbringing) have those type of thoughts and ideals…..

          Yes, it often does seem like we are a dying breed….The great western ideals of liberty and enlightenment, and consequent explosion in the advancement of the human species, bringing the most wealth to the most people in the history of humanity, is most certainly coming to the end of its age.

          **queue mellow background music**

          William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)


          Turning and turning in the widening gyre
          The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
          Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
          Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
          The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
          The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
          The best lack all conviction, while the worst
          Are full of passionate intensity.

          Surely some revelation is at hand;
          Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
          The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
          When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
          Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
          A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
          A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
          Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
          Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

          The darkness drops again but now I know
          That twenty centuries of stony sleep
          Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
          And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
          Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?


            Two brothers, I have two long lost brothers and none of us new about the other till just now:)
            Some withered nerve in her brain twitched slightly, she softened, smiled, and told him the story of her grandfather who had a page at Queen Victoria’s coronation.
            “That was another world” he said.
            “Another civilization,” she corrected him, “the one I was born into. It has died. I say: died, not vanished, because it was a living organism. A civilisation based on the family. What has taken its place is not alive; an atomised society, without security, without warmth, a chaos of fragmented mechanical relationships. O, I know as well as you do, that in my world all was not well, there was ignorance and poverty. But the right way was not to tear that world down and replace it anarchy. The family base should have been extended, cherished, encouraged.”
            -Storm Jameson, 1966
            The Early Life of Stephen Hind
            This is the way the world ends
            This is the way the world ends
            This is the way the world ends
            Not with a bang but with a whimper
            -T.S. Elliot
            “The Hollow Man”

          • glennd1

            Less poetic, but more central to my notion of America were/are ideas like “rugged individualism”, “can do spirit”, “American ingenuity” – when is the last time you even heard the phrases uttered?

            Another reason I’m on the right is that I understand how America became this way. It was due to how unmolested by govt we were until the 20th century. The truth about much of English rule was that they were largely hands off up until the very end. And then the central, federal govt was pretty limited. Society here had 400 years to organize itself. That many were Christian is only part of the story, but of course it is an important part of the story.

            Marxism arises in some ways due to the rigid class structure or Europe, as a response to the intractability of it all. It was actually Stalin who first coined the term “American exceptionalism” as he noticed the the proletariat didn’t see any need to rise up here, as we didn’t really have strong ‘classes’. In other words, the dialectic Marx festishized between the classes didn’t need to always and everywhere arise.

            What makes me most sad is that the leftists I listen to seem to have no appreciation for what made this country great. It’s very simple. It’s freedom. Real freedom – that’s it. It seems this kind of common wisdom is just not so common anymore.

          • glennd1

            TS Eliot and Yeats, music to my ears. My un-poetic, semi-hopeful retort comes from Adam Smith. “There is much ruin in a nation.”

            I was raised Catholic, happily, I actually sang in church in the “folk group” until I graduated high school. I drifted away and came back in my early 30s, and was introducing my daughter to the RC, bringing her to mass occasionally – she’s like 6-7. And the one Sunday, while in church at mass, I realize all of the sudden that I actually don’t believe any of it. It occurred to me as something I’d actually known for a long time but had never had to confront so sharply before. I was trying to figure out how to explain it all to my daughter and that critical look made me confront the inherent conflicts and my own long held, unresolved doubts.

            I then went on a spiritual inquiry, with a stop at a unitarian congregation – which was more like Progressive-Marxist pep rally, and finally ended up diving into Buddhism for 5 years. But even in Buddhism, contrary the popular characterization of it, there are lots of supernatural beliefs so it was at that point that I became comfortable with being an atheist. I had to do so as a matter of integrity. To thine own self be true, yes?

            I certainly was imbued with a sense of honor, integrity – not so sure I took the lessons in humility to heart, but I was referring to it more in an intellectual way rather than the ego.

            I’ve been an atheist for about 16 years now. It does make me sad though to see so many people hostile to atheists in the right wing. I read recently that some Tea Partiers in Texas wanted to run the debunked fraud David Barton for a senate seat down there. David Barton was part of a legal action in 2010 which sought to prevent atheists from holding public office or being able to submit sworn testimony in court due to their lack of faith in God. This kind of anti-anti-atheist sentiment is pretty common on the religious right, which just makes me sad. I value liberty and our great country as much or more than any of them, my belief in God is my business – not the province of politics. That is another view dying i our society…


            Oh by the I am atheist well. do you Richard Dawkins on Twitter?

        • Gary Dickson

          You have spoken, as Jesus said, “sensibly”.

          “When Yeshua saw that [the Torah-teacher] responded sensibly, he said to him, ‘You are not far from the Kingdom of God.’” — Mark 12 (CJB)


          I think you are my long lost brother!!! Please Thank you I was wrong Excuse me I broke I’ll fix or buy it Don’t give the old woman your seat on the bus, do that and help her as she gets off, if seems unsure Because at the end of the day it will have cost you nothing and is actually quite rewarding :) posting via my Twitter acct./Username


          Two brothers, I have two long lost brothers and none of us new about the other till just now:) >>> JoJoJams

          Some withered nerve in her brain twitched slightly, she softened, smiled, and told him the story of her grandfather who had been a page at Queen Victoria’s coronation.
          “That was another world” he said.
          “Another civilization,” she corrected him, “the one I was born into. It has died. I say: died, not vanished, because it was a living organism. A civilisation based on the family. What has taken its place is not alive; an atomised society, without security, without warmth, a chaos of fragmented mechanical relationships. O, I know as well as you do, that in my world all was not well, there was ignorance and poverty. But the right way was not to tear that world down and replace it anarchy. The family base should have been extended, cherished, encouraged.”
          -Storm Jameson, 1966
          The Early Life of Stephen Hind

          This is the way the world ends
          This is the way the world ends
          This is the way the world ends
          Not with a bang but with a whimper
          -T.S. Elliot
          “The Hollow Man”


          hello Glenn.
          My reply to referred only to common courtesies statement you make which I related to. Another thing you almost never hear anymore “Its a free country.” Greatly your if stating the point. :) I have had a very busy week this week, but will look any of your as well.Ido not type in traditional/I hunt n peck, so please bear on with this.

    • james

      I heard only briefly about those disclosures – UK Labour wanted to “rub the faces of conservatives in diversity”. Are there any links to this ?

      • objectivefactsmatter–london-needs-immigrants-6786170.html

        “I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended – even if this wasn’t its main purpose – to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date. That seemed to me to be a manoeuvre too far.”


        I am on twitter with a great group of brits and does seem to be the general concensus


      This article explains the mentality perfectly.

    • Stop White Genocide

      At the core of leftism, neo-liberalism, modern Marxism, whatever you want to call it, is anti-Whitism. It is the holy of holies of the religion of political correctness. It is the one thing that cannot be deviated from if one wants to remain in the good graces of this religion. Anything less than totally supporting a “brown future” through mass immigration and force assimilation for all White countries and ONLY White countries, makes you a heretic. It is so ingrained in them that they are willing to destroy even their own successful welfare states of their own making to achieve it. They are anti-Whites first, last and always.

  • KennyLLC

    Seems like a good time for libertine Satanists to come out of the closet and claim human sacrifice as a religious right and “living a dream”.
    No. Wait…the Muslims have taken over that religion too !

  • Enzo

    Do they even know what a racist is? The practice of hatred toward another race, like the KKK or Nazi’s. To call a spade a spade is not racism, its reality!

  • wallyj180

    I’m a little skeptical of this story.
    I think that the thugs likely f**ked their brains out before they left.
    There isn’t any other explanation for their ramblings.

  • Jimmie

    If God did not want them sheared, He would not have made them sheep. Calvera.

  • Appeaser

    Appeasers are sheep that try and convince themselves the wolves are vegetarian. Dhimmi, pacifist, ‘liberal’, all are appeasement centered, grounded in the idea of ‘equalization’ regardless of the cost. Fools.

  • pupsncats

    Proof positive that insanity is the new norm.

  • knowshistory

    thank goodness those poor dears did not become racist!!!! they might suffer the tragedy of losing their diversity. as it is, all they lost was theri self respect, common sense, and, ultimately their nation, their society, and their way of life. as they trudge to the gas chambers to lose the last thing they have left, their lives, they can proudly proclaim,”thank allah we are not racists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”


      And the winner of the 2013 Annual Witty Comments Awards show is… :)

  • semus

    Knee jerk liberals are disgusting. Who’s going to save us from them?

  • Jim Twotoes

    Criminals always try to justify their actions. The thing is, sensible people see this for what it is: self-serving blame shifting. Not these two Norwegians it seems. And really, they brought their abject foolishness to the attention of the world by writing a book? That they would unintentionally embarrass themselves in this manner shows their utter lack of self-awareness.

    • laura r

      why?? attention attention attention ego, cash!


        Surely two so humble could not possibly have any interest in acts of greed and selfishness. Such immorality is the playground of the unenlightened, the deprived and lowly commoner. After all with so much suffering in the world,(with its foot right inside their bedroom window). One would have seek proper advise in its immediate dispersal amongst the poor. Maybe a fellow from that Beatle’s band is still to be found. Yes, they had great insight on how much “others” should share of their wealth :)

  • Chubby Freen

    I thought Stockholm was in Sweden. Maybe these people visited Sweden, and caught Stockholm Syndrome from a toilet seat…

  • WhiteHunter

    It’s hard to disagree with these two suicidally delusional idiots: they DID get what they deserve. And I hope they get more of it. Maybe next time the “dreamers” will finish the job properly.


      Unfortunately, It is the elderly living in what often was meant originily for 55/60 and older, are now often simply any low income building and elderly WHITES are TARGETED at a disproportionate rate. And that not a racist statement IT IS FACT as I witnessed myself and happened it to my own mother.

  • Darlene Johnson

    Liberals have done a good job of indoctrination. The liberal mind is very easily controlled because they think with emotion and not common sense.

  • perma2

    You have a point. People are different. I was thinking about this guy who has failed to protect his familiy and been humiliated in front of his wife. A major blow to his ego. No wonder he goes mental.

  • Chandrakiran Nayak
  • Kevin_OKeeffe

    Is that person in the picture, on the left, supposed to be some sort of transsexual?

  • loroferoz

    Yeah, because your immigrations policies are too strict. Arin and Ellin are right. They select for the kinds of immigrants YOU ACTUALLY GET!

    The ones who value their good reputation, their career, and all of that, will at some point throw their hands up in the air, and leave. Or else resign themselves to a life outside of society, even with permanent residence.

    The professionals, the entrepreneurs, the business owners, the hard workers, the legitimate asylum seekers. We have to spend years in just getting to some stability in a country where we keep our noses VERY clean. Cleaner than most here. And not even then are our efforts acknowledged. Going to another EU country, we have to start anew. Lose the job, and it’s back to square one. We have to live with your putting us in the same bin as the mad and the criminal and having to show every step that we are honest.


  • Cliff Arroyo

    Western Europeans are alienated from their own cultures (partly due to the collective trauma of WWII and party due to Frankfurt school ideology).

    Now they’re so screwed up that they can’t do something as simple as demanding that non-european foreigners obey the law and contort themselves into grotesque parodies of tolerance in order to no think bad thoughts (even when those bad thoughts are entirely appropriate).

    • laura r

      it is the govts that make up these rules. average people are not responsible.

  • Patrick Keogan

    When are white people going to wake the fuck up & start fighting back


    FULLY – You owe me for what happened 300 years ago. Yeah, good lick with that one.

  • Baluba

    On behalf of this delusional couple, I’m really sorry. I’m a norwegian and we are thankfully not all this retarded. Unfortunately this is the going undertone of the media and has been so for the last 40 years under the labourparty regime, systematically trying to brainwash the populace to think like these people do.

    That is the reason we now find ourselves in the situation we are with massive immigrationpressure, our generous welfaresystem being exploited en masse by non-ethnics from all over the world, and crime skyrocketing, while penalties for crimes even rape and massmurder of norwegian citizens really serves no other effect than helping the poor offender and giving him education and citizenship even if he’s an illegal immigrant. How can we send anyone back that is “sick” enough to commit crime? We need to take care of that poor soul.
    This however has been going on for so long now that there has been starting to be an awakening even for socialdemocratically brainwashed norwegians. Hopefully we will be able to change this massive exploitation of our good intentions before its too late.

    For Sweden, our neighbourcontry on the other hand, the brainwashing and the socialist grasp on media and self destructive political correctness has gone even further and I really see no hope for them.

  • Concerned

    Two words: Stockholm Syndrome.

  • Buck Rogers

    Barry Soetoro A CARD-CARRYING COMMUNIST ( aka Barack Hussien Obama), whose aim it is to destroy our Great Christian Republic, is the Western Hemisphere’s caliphate, a moozlim follower of the rapist pedophile moehammit
    HUMANITY must take swift physical action against these vomitous vermin…
    As a tactic, taqiyya, the principle of religious deception. According to mainstream islamic doctrine, Islam is in a permanent state of war with any non-moozlim who opposes the rule of shari’a law. And in war, deceit is a legitimate tactic.
    In other words, as long as it helps the Islamic goal of making the whole world submit to shari’a law, it is perfectly all right to lie and deceive.
    They infiltrate with deception…
    They infiltrate to get close for the KILL…
    It’s in their BOOK (koran)…
    moehammit was a pedophile rapist…
    allah,TELLS ALL MEN OF islam TO RAPE ANY WOMEN THEY WANT TO CELEBRATE mooslim festival of Eid.
    islam is the edict of the DEVIL…allah is SATAN…
    And they want to inflict it on the WORLD.
    There are four ways to be a jihadist – sword, pen, speech and money. Jihad is incumbent on ALL moozlims; therefore, it is the sixth pillar of islam.

  • Stop White Genocide

    Leftists are suicidal and I am all in favor of their suicide if they so choose. Where they cross the line, is their imposition of their own suicidal tendencies on the rest of White/European society. There, they cross the line into being genocidal. Their anti-White idiocy is leading to a world where White people will have no living space to call our own, and thus no security and no future. They say they are anti-racist, what they are is anti-White. Anti-racist is just a code word for anti-White. Destroy yourselves if you want, but you WILL NOT destroy the rest of us with your poison. STOP WHITE GENOCIDE!

  • Edward_Teach

    What has Norway or any country gained by letting these people in? There are no benefits to letting in a people that live by such ideologues.

    Take a look at this

  • Viking_61

    Why is Scandinavia so intent on committing cultural and demographic suicide? They must be so dumb… or sick in the head.

  • jhon

    “Victimized by Muslims? You Deserve It”

    by Muslims I know not ,but by non-whites for sure!

  • ShekelGoldbergstein

    They are a disgrace to their ancestors.

  • TheThinker

    They are right, they did deserve it. Maybe the intruders will seriously hurt them next time so they really get what they deserve for being such idiots.

  • Zrinski

    Anti-white whites are the most rabid, they think self sacrifice and treason to their own kind is a virtue! Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

  • kenai

    Cheer up Elin, with any luck the next time you get robbed the thieves will rape you before doing the world a favor and slitting your throat.

  • Tony Capo

    Im not afraid of being called racist , bigot etc. Muslims don’t pretend there is no difference between us so why should I. They consider us dogs and pigs and I consider them lawless scum. Islam is evil Islam contradicts the laws of God on many topics. Murder, rape, incest. polygamy adultery marriage etc.

  • Kallanberg

    Perhaps these two victims need to see a psychologist as their reaction is bordering on a form of PC insanity. Violence is violence and crime is crime and no matter whom does this must face the consequences of their actions.

  • Aterg

    Many youngsters who seek asylum are criminals and uncontrollable in their own country. Similar situation when Cuba opened his prisons and all the criminals came to USA several yrs ago. Their dream was richer stakes in their robberies .
    To open the borders to Europe, would be a catastrophe, it is already a different Europe of 20 yrs. ago. Similar in USA, not in criminal problems but in not assimilating Islamic culture, with different lifestyle and goals. Let us face it overpopulation is the problem in developing countries, and only China had the guts to limit family size. To mention birthcontrol or abortion is a no no, politically it could kill you. The fanatism about these issues are remarkable, not to mention the moronic views and false illogical science ” facts” some off our politicians quote.


      what you don’t kill now, will become stronger and kill you later:)

  • yourmom

    Idiots, Norway people surely do not deserve this, these two surely do.

  • Halon

    Stockholm syndrome.

  • Steven Chan

    Free Breivik!

  • AegysLTS

    Oh my, what have become of the descendants of the Vikings.


      I’m working on that :)

  • AegysLTS

    I like this!

  • Issa Khalilieh

    Dear Norwegians citizens,

    I lived in Norway, in the city of Stavanger in summer of 1978 for 3 months in hotel management training course at SAS hotel. Norway was a dream, people were very nice, peaceful and simple up to idiot level, the government permitted the immigration of anybody any shit to the country and receive all the advantages as citizen, all kinds of insurances, so immigrants became very spoiled and abuse the goodness of the Norwegian people and government, once I remember Pakistani immigrants they made themselves sick just for the sake to go to hospital to receive free attentions and services, but let me tell you something an intelligent and astute person does not import rubbish to his home and Norway and Scandinavian countries imported rubbish people to their homes, I am sorry to say this expression about human being but the reality oblige me to express this term, so I condemn your ignorance in social matters, in the differences of civilizations, in history of nations of and their culture, you just accept people whatever their qualities no matter for you, you brought scorpions to your country because you need to have more inhabitants and now you are suffering from their crimes, PLEASE WAKE UP GUYS.

  • UCSPanther

    And I wouldn’t lose any sleep over a battlefield littered with dead commies who threw away their lives to conquer land for a failed ideology…

    Your arrogance will be your downfall…

  • MProblem

    Keep talking, and eventually, you will be expelled to the Third World toilet of your choice.

    Maybe we can sell you and your kind to the tolerant and kindly Somalians and use the money to help pay down the deficit. It’s a win-win situation! You get to experience the “diversity” and “vibrancy” of a “superior” culture, and we in the West are finally rid of you and your destructive, hateful ideology.

    You Marxists always assume that **we** will be the ones on the losing end. Not a good assumption.

  • Drakken

    Wait until us native whites have had enough of being invaded by the 3rd world, then your going to see why we are on top of the food chain. We’re about to make the Serbs blush by comparison of what is going to happen to you and your kind.

  • Drakken

    We are going to have a native intifada called the Balkans on steroids, enjoy it.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    “…capitalist power structure…”

    Upward mobility only works for whites. That’s how the system was designed.

    Am I right?

  • History Buff

    So you’re racist against Jews.


    Remember now, for the first time in long you are on the right track, well same track but there’s change, your mind is running but not your mouth. You’ve said enough, made your/left your scars, graffiti, your impression on the soft concrete of those living flat surfaces lives. No we won’t forget. O.K remember just to let him that this some silly game, wave to conductor and make eye contact. His dreams will be more interesting that way.

  • Drakken

    As it is said, assumption is the mother of all fk ups. These commi red bastages are going to find out the hard way and with much horror once you awaken that sleeping Dragon of nationalism. The lamp posts of Europe are going to be filled with them, that and funeral pyres.

  • MProblem

    I’ll be satisfied with just sending them to Somalia or Bangladesh, with no means of returning. Hanging from lamp posts is what they would do to us; we are not that low.

  • Drakken

    Unfortunately we are going to be forced to.

  • defcon 4

    What do you think they’ll do when they assume power — by proxy or otherwise? Forgive and forget?

  • hiernonymous

    “Wait until us native whites have had enough of being invaded by the 3rd world…”


  • matteo zorzi


  • Drakken

    Yes, you seem to enjoy the thought eh haji?

  • hiernonymous

    Do I enjoy irony? I suppose so.

    Every look at the actual immigration statistics in Europe? You’ll find that the vast majority of “3d world” immigrants to European countries come from their former colonies. That makes perfect sense – there are generally much lower administrative and linguistic barriers to overcome. In short, to the extent that such immigration is actually the threat you are complaining about, it’s directly tied to Europe’s colonial past.

    You have to admit, watching someone who identifies so strongly with Europe mewling about “invasion” is rich. Sow the wind…

  • Baluba

    Ironically Norway and Sweden have never had a colony, still they are by far the western countries in the world being amassed the most by immigrants from the third world pr. capita.

  • hiernonymous

    Sorry, pressed for time – but wrong. Sweden did have overseas colonies, notably (in this context) the Swedish Gold Coast in Africa. It only managed to hold on to that colony for about a decade and a half before it was seized by – Denmark (of which Norway was then a part). The Osu district of Accra in Ghana was once known as Christiansborg. (The U.S. Virgin Islands, by the way, were once part of the Danish colonial empire, at a time when Denmark and Norway were in union.)

  • Baluba

    Ah, I didnt know that Sweden had an African colony for 10 years. That obviously means they deserve all the raping, pillaging, murder and exploitation they receive from their New Cultural additions today that theyre trying to help. My point is still valid about Norway though.

  • hiernonymous

    “My point is still valid about Norway though.”

    If you ignore the point that Norway was actually part of a very active colonial country during the colonial period.

    “That obviously means they deserve all the raping, pillaging, murder and exploitation they receive from their New Cultural additions today that theyre trying to help.”

    No, it just obviously means that when you said it had never had a colony, you were wrong.

  • Baluba

    “If you ignore the point that Norway was actually part of a very active colonial country during the colonial period. ”
    If by your logic, a country that is for the time being occupied by a colonial power, is part of a colonial power and then henceforth is a colonial power itself, then all the former colonies all over the world are also colonial powers. Funny way to see things, but that would make the entire point of the thread invalid.

  • hiernonymous

    “If by your logic, a country that is for the time being occupied by a colonial power…”

    If that is your understanding, it needs work. Norway was not occupied, it was in union with Denmark. The relationship is more analogous to that of Scotland than to an occupied state. Now, if you were to reference Norway’s status when it became associated with Sweden, that’s a bit different – but that’s not what we were discussing.