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		<title>By: citizen x</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t it true that Progressive Policy led to emerging economies finally reversing course at the same time the US Economy expanded? I&#039;m going to bet money that America&#039;s perceived downfall was rooted in the way the Right Wing has been approaching commodities, free trade, currency... BUT don&#039;t be surprised if old banking rules return and emerging markets rebound at America&#039;s expense and the whole house of cards falls for good....Maybe we should start learning Chinese instead?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it true that Progressive Policy led to emerging economies finally reversing course at the same time the US Economy expanded? I&#8217;m going to bet money that America&#8217;s perceived downfall was rooted in the way the Right Wing has been approaching commodities, free trade, currency&#8230; BUT don&#8217;t be surprised if old banking rules return and emerging markets rebound at America&#8217;s expense and the whole house of cards falls for good&#8230;.Maybe we should start learning Chinese instead?</p>
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		<title>By: SanfordA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SanfordA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our educators, scientists, and other responsible people such as media people are tasked with teaching rational thinking that includes evidence-based reality, that is, the transmission of Enlightenment principles. This is in contrast with previous generations and today&#039;s Arab societies, where educators are tasked with transmission of the word of the Lord God. Scientists teach valid science, not false science that may currently be popular. Responsible politicians focus on the optimum way of improving the prosperity of the nation along with justice, avoiding falsehoods that seem to win votes and power (money).

The Hebrew Bible commands us to keep the moral principles so that we and our descendants may live long in the land that God gave us. Even though this was written millennia prior to the Enlightenment, modern society accepts basic moral principles and the goal of good living.

Unfortunately, too many people are not this way. Too many scientists teach false science. Too many politicians advocate ideas destructive to our nation&#039;s economy and sense of justice. The simple answer is greed; however, this is too simple and hides the dangerous reality that we must understand, face, and overcome.

President Wilson urged Congress to declare war on Germany, saying &quot;we fight for the ultimate peace of the world…&quot; This was a lie. Had we not declared war, the horrors of the 20th century, such as the Holocaust and World War II, may not have happened. Wilson was the first Progressive leader, speaking about peace while declaring war.

Progressivism is one of the 20th century isms. Communism is another ism. The struggle for freedom against Communism took many long decades, and has not been totally defeated. We know from this struggle that a citizen living in a Communist regime can only fight against the regime, but cannot compromise, for compromise is not possible. The reason why is that negotiation is only possible if both sides accept rational Enlightenment thinking, namely, that ideas must make sense and agree with empirical evidence. An example of irrational thinking is the CRA law, for it is mathematical nonsense for the government to dictate mortgage rates to banks. Socialism is another example of a senseless idea contrary to Enlightenment thinking.

Progressives must lie in order to advance their irrational ideas. Progressives say America is oppressive and unjust. We must fight this canard, and loudly state that we are not oppressive and unjust, but instead accept Enlightenment principles.

Saying criminals are created by our evil society is another canard. People, except severe mental patients and such, act based upon their decisions. The criminal committed evil because he chose to do so, not because of &quot;society&quot;. Over the millennia of human history, education is the only proven way to permanently change people. During the 18th and 19th centuries we educated people for moral values. Sadly, 20th century Progressivism contains dangerous values that educators must shun. In order to protect our national security and prosperity, we need to reject Progressivism and return to 19th century education.

The Progressive Party challenged Harry Truman in his 1948 run for President, because he opposed the spread of Stalin&#039;s empire. Stalin was one of the most evil, destructive, horrible people who ever lived. Since Progressives looked favorably to Communists like Stalin, we must do what we can to work hard to defeat Progressives in elections, in order to keep our national economy and security, based upon Enlightenment principles, safe and secure. We must not compromise with these people. We must not give them the benefit of the doubt. We must proclaim they lie, that is, knowingly speak falsehood. We must not fear losing elections or our jobs if we say Progressives are wrong and liars.

Progressives fail to pay attention to the results of their actions. Look at Detroit. For decades things worsened, the Democrats stayed in power and did not change any policies, and yet no one commented. This attitude of ignoring consequences is contrary to Enlightenment principles. We cannot survive if we continue to refuse to look at results of actions. People should be ashamed to call themselves Progressives.

The medieval Robin Hood was a Progressive, as he took from the Haves and gave to the Have-nots. This was against Enlightenment principles.

When Congressman Wilson shouted in Congress when President Obama was speaking that the President was lying, he was criticized when he should have been praised for pointing out the lies of the Progressive Obama. Since Progressives frequetly lie, we must never trust a Progressive, even if he is the President.

As an influential person responsible for the future of our country, please do what you can to save our country by rational thinking, observation the results of out actions, and changing what we do as we see what happens.

Thank you very much.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our educators, scientists, and other responsible people such as media people are tasked with teaching rational thinking that includes evidence-based reality, that is, the transmission of Enlightenment principles. This is in contrast with previous generations and today&#8217;s Arab societies, where educators are tasked with transmission of the word of the Lord God. Scientists teach valid science, not false science that may currently be popular. Responsible politicians focus on the optimum way of improving the prosperity of the nation along with justice, avoiding falsehoods that seem to win votes and power (money).</p>
<p>The Hebrew Bible commands us to keep the moral principles so that we and our descendants may live long in the land that God gave us. Even though this was written millennia prior to the Enlightenment, modern society accepts basic moral principles and the goal of good living.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, too many people are not this way. Too many scientists teach false science. Too many politicians advocate ideas destructive to our nation&#8217;s economy and sense of justice. The simple answer is greed; however, this is too simple and hides the dangerous reality that we must understand, face, and overcome.</p>
<p>President Wilson urged Congress to declare war on Germany, saying &#8220;we fight for the ultimate peace of the world…&#8221; This was a lie. Had we not declared war, the horrors of the 20th century, such as the Holocaust and World War II, may not have happened. Wilson was the first Progressive leader, speaking about peace while declaring war.</p>
<p>Progressivism is one of the 20th century isms. Communism is another ism. The struggle for freedom against Communism took many long decades, and has not been totally defeated. We know from this struggle that a citizen living in a Communist regime can only fight against the regime, but cannot compromise, for compromise is not possible. The reason why is that negotiation is only possible if both sides accept rational Enlightenment thinking, namely, that ideas must make sense and agree with empirical evidence. An example of irrational thinking is the CRA law, for it is mathematical nonsense for the government to dictate mortgage rates to banks. Socialism is another example of a senseless idea contrary to Enlightenment thinking.</p>
<p>Progressives must lie in order to advance their irrational ideas. Progressives say America is oppressive and unjust. We must fight this canard, and loudly state that we are not oppressive and unjust, but instead accept Enlightenment principles.</p>
<p>Saying criminals are created by our evil society is another canard. People, except severe mental patients and such, act based upon their decisions. The criminal committed evil because he chose to do so, not because of &#8220;society&#8221;. Over the millennia of human history, education is the only proven way to permanently change people. During the 18th and 19th centuries we educated people for moral values. Sadly, 20th century Progressivism contains dangerous values that educators must shun. In order to protect our national security and prosperity, we need to reject Progressivism and return to 19th century education.</p>
<p>The Progressive Party challenged Harry Truman in his 1948 run for President, because he opposed the spread of Stalin&#8217;s empire. Stalin was one of the most evil, destructive, horrible people who ever lived. Since Progressives looked favorably to Communists like Stalin, we must do what we can to work hard to defeat Progressives in elections, in order to keep our national economy and security, based upon Enlightenment principles, safe and secure. We must not compromise with these people. We must not give them the benefit of the doubt. We must proclaim they lie, that is, knowingly speak falsehood. We must not fear losing elections or our jobs if we say Progressives are wrong and liars.</p>
<p>Progressives fail to pay attention to the results of their actions. Look at Detroit. For decades things worsened, the Democrats stayed in power and did not change any policies, and yet no one commented. This attitude of ignoring consequences is contrary to Enlightenment principles. We cannot survive if we continue to refuse to look at results of actions. People should be ashamed to call themselves Progressives.</p>
<p>The medieval Robin Hood was a Progressive, as he took from the Haves and gave to the Have-nots. This was against Enlightenment principles.</p>
<p>When Congressman Wilson shouted in Congress when President Obama was speaking that the President was lying, he was criticized when he should have been praised for pointing out the lies of the Progressive Obama. Since Progressives frequetly lie, we must never trust a Progressive, even if he is the President.</p>
<p>As an influential person responsible for the future of our country, please do what you can to save our country by rational thinking, observation the results of out actions, and changing what we do as we see what happens.</p>
<p>Thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: pfbonney</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pfbonney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2013 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You can get all the black people you want but if they have the same idea pouch as the GOP, the result(s) will be the same.&quot;

That&#039;s just the thing!  You liberals have (rent/buy) the majority of black people but allow them to think only one way - &quot;Give the political left power and take money from the political right to buy power for them.&quot;

Whereas, on the political right, we have room for people from a wide range of social/fiscal persuasions.  Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., who was a social conservative was also a fiscal liberal.  Dr. Ron Paul (my former congressman), was essentially a libertarian.  

And do we give each other heartburn for holding different beliefs?  Of course!  Dr. Paul was widely considered to be a kook by other Republicans.  (I wouldn&#039;t say that, but consider a lot of his non-constituent followers to be kooks.  They see individuals, themselves, having different views as being bad, not their ideas only, as being bad.)  But we Republicans don&#039;t give death threats to other Republicans having different views, as the political left does.  (Of course, there will always be exceptions.)

Another characteristic of the left is to embrace an individual or group of people for what they can do for you (again, that is only why you, on the left, finally have done a 180 degree turn on your opinion of blacks - and you love WHAT they are, not WHO they are).  I remember watching an interview of Norma McCorvey (alias &quot;Jane Roe in &quot;Roe v. Wade&quot;) some years back.  She converted to Christianity some years ago, and was saying, in the interview, that NOW seemed to want her for what she could do for them, whereas whatever Christian religion she joined asked nothing from her.  (She has since become a Roman Catholic).


What you are doing is called &quot;projecting&quot;.  You, on the left, assume that we on the right hide behind the color of blacks&#039; skin color for protection against racism, the same as  you do.  But in actuality, we look at their political views (fiscal and social) first, and look at their skin color second - and even then only to defend ourselves from charges of racism (as we, as a rule, refuse to &quot;rent&quot; or &quot;buy&quot; black people) because you use race as a weapon to defeat the right, not for any altruistic reasons such as to make blacks strong and independant.  


The fact you come out so hard against any blacks that don&#039;t march in lockstep to your drumbeat goes to show you are not being altruistic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can get all the black people you want but if they have the same idea pouch as the GOP, the result(s) will be the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just the thing!  You liberals have (rent/buy) the majority of black people but allow them to think only one way &#8211; &#8220;Give the political left power and take money from the political right to buy power for them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whereas, on the political right, we have room for people from a wide range of social/fiscal persuasions.  Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., who was a social conservative was also a fiscal liberal.  Dr. Ron Paul (my former congressman), was essentially a libertarian.  </p>
<p>And do we give each other heartburn for holding different beliefs?  Of course!  Dr. Paul was widely considered to be a kook by other Republicans.  (I wouldn&#8217;t say that, but consider a lot of his non-constituent followers to be kooks.  They see individuals, themselves, having different views as being bad, not their ideas only, as being bad.)  But we Republicans don&#8217;t give death threats to other Republicans having different views, as the political left does.  (Of course, there will always be exceptions.)</p>
<p>Another characteristic of the left is to embrace an individual or group of people for what they can do for you (again, that is only why you, on the left, finally have done a 180 degree turn on your opinion of blacks &#8211; and you love WHAT they are, not WHO they are).  I remember watching an interview of Norma McCorvey (alias &#8220;Jane Roe in &#8220;Roe v. Wade&#8221;) some years back.  She converted to Christianity some years ago, and was saying, in the interview, that NOW seemed to want her for what she could do for them, whereas whatever Christian religion she joined asked nothing from her.  (She has since become a Roman Catholic).</p>
<p>What you are doing is called &#8220;projecting&#8221;.  You, on the left, assume that we on the right hide behind the color of blacks&#8217; skin color for protection against racism, the same as  you do.  But in actuality, we look at their political views (fiscal and social) first, and look at their skin color second &#8211; and even then only to defend ourselves from charges of racism (as we, as a rule, refuse to &#8220;rent&#8221; or &#8220;buy&#8221; black people) because you use race as a weapon to defeat the right, not for any altruistic reasons such as to make blacks strong and independant.  </p>
<p>The fact you come out so hard against any blacks that don&#8217;t march in lockstep to your drumbeat goes to show you are not being altruistic.</p>
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		<title>By: justquitnow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justquitnow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ben Carson&#039;s is a nutter-butter...based on everything he has said in public. The tea party will flirt with the black candidate so guys like you can say the tea party isn&#039;t racist....&quot;we love this one black guy over here.&quot; See?


&quot;9-9-9&quot; was still a bad idea even though Herman Cain was black...so it&#039;s an apt comparison. You can get all the black people you want but if they have the same idea pouch as the GOP, the result(s) will be the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Carson&#8217;s is a nutter-butter&#8230;based on everything he has said in public. The tea party will flirt with the black candidate so guys like you can say the tea party isn&#8217;t racist&#8230;.&#8221;we love this one black guy over here.&#8221; See?</p>
<p>&#8220;9-9-9&#8243; was still a bad idea even though Herman Cain was black&#8230;so it&#8217;s an apt comparison. You can get all the black people you want but if they have the same idea pouch as the GOP, the result(s) will be the same.</p>
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		<title>By: pfbonney</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pfbonney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Nov 2013 00:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A threat to &quot;my&quot; power....I&#039;m just a citizen dude.&quot;

The power so sought after by the left, my friend, not your personal power.

&quot;He&#039;ll make 9-9-9 look like a genius plan.&quot;


So you are a racist bigot.  Not that I&#039;m surprised that you are, with you being a leftist, just that you make no effort to hide it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A threat to &#8220;my&#8221; power&#8230;.I&#8217;m just a citizen dude.&#8221;</p>
<p>The power so sought after by the left, my friend, not your personal power.</p>
<p>&#8220;He&#8217;ll make 9-9-9 look like a genius plan.&#8221;</p>
<p>So you are a racist bigot.  Not that I&#8217;m surprised that you are, with you being a leftist, just that you make no effort to hide it.</p>
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		<title>By: justquitnow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justquitnow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You really want to commit treason against the United States of America because you don&#039;t like the black guy? Seriously? 


They sure get you whipped up into a froth though...don&#039;t hurt anyone. Can&#039;t you just set yourself on fire or something on the capital steps? It&#039;s good enough for the tibetan monks and if you think about it Obama is like China coming in and ruling you with his scary black...um...fist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really want to commit treason against the United States of America because you don&#8217;t like the black guy? Seriously? </p>
<p>They sure get you whipped up into a froth though&#8230;don&#8217;t hurt anyone. Can&#8217;t you just set yourself on fire or something on the capital steps? It&#8217;s good enough for the tibetan monks and if you think about it Obama is like China coming in and ruling you with his scary black&#8230;um&#8230;fist.</p>
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		<title>By: justquitnow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justquitnow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which is a fancy way of saying he broke the law. But he didn&#039;t in any objective way...so it&#039;s your opinion. And in your mind you can make Obama as tyranical and foreign as you want.


I&#039;m not saying you can&#039;t have that opinion...clearly you can, but it&#039;s not &quot;tyranny&quot;...it&#039;s just the ruling party has done something that you don&#039;t like. And I would say there are many (like FPM) that have done everything they can to make sure you hate it with venom popping &quot;freedumb&quot; enthusiasm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is a fancy way of saying he broke the law. But he didn&#8217;t in any objective way&#8230;so it&#8217;s your opinion. And in your mind you can make Obama as tyranical and foreign as you want.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying you can&#8217;t have that opinion&#8230;clearly you can, but it&#8217;s not &#8220;tyranny&#8221;&#8230;it&#8217;s just the ruling party has done something that you don&#8217;t like. And I would say there are many (like FPM) that have done everything they can to make sure you hate it with venom popping &#8220;freedumb&#8221; enthusiasm.</p>
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		<title>By: krowbro</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[krowbro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is more than unfair, it is an imposition of his will outside of the law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is more than unfair, it is an imposition of his will outside of the law.</p>
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		<title>By: krowbro</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[krowbro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By definition, a tyrant does not necessarily thwart opposition by throwing them into a prison.  Tyranny is an unrestrained excersize of power.  Taxation for the purpose of redistribution of wealth is a form of tyranny and is most definitely supported by progressives everywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By definition, a tyrant does not necessarily thwart opposition by throwing them into a prison.  Tyranny is an unrestrained excersize of power.  Taxation for the purpose of redistribution of wealth is a form of tyranny and is most definitely supported by progressives everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hiernonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every quadroon and octoroon under the old racial designation system was &quot;more than half White,&quot; and yet was legally considered black.  Legally (for as long &#039;legally&#039; applied) and socially, anyone in the U.S. with a black parent was considered &#039;black.&#039;  It&#039;s interesting that you are developing a sudden case of social amnesia when the traditional treatment of race doesn&#039;t fit your agenda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every quadroon and octoroon under the old racial designation system was &#8220;more than half White,&#8221; and yet was legally considered black.  Legally (for as long &#8216;legally&#8217; applied) and socially, anyone in the U.S. with a black parent was considered &#8216;black.&#8217;  It&#8217;s interesting that you are developing a sudden case of social amnesia when the traditional treatment of race doesn&#8217;t fit your agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: justquitnow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justquitnow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Oct 2013 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because your are a stupid one-liner troll. I answer you when you present a choice moment to ridicule you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because your are a stupid one-liner troll. I answer you when you present a choice moment to ridicule you.</p>
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		<title>By: justquitnow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justquitnow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Oct 2013 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?</p>
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		<title>By: justquitnow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justquitnow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Oct 2013 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was making a joke, but yes Romney did say that....and he meant it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was making a joke, but yes Romney did say that&#8230;.and he meant it.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Oct 2013 00:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 19:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A little puzzy like you wouldn&#039;t be caught dead near someone in uniform much less join an organization that you hold in complete contempt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little puzzy like you wouldn&#8217;t be caught dead near someone in uniform much less join an organization that you hold in complete contempt.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 14:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You say the &quot;free market&quot; would &quot;work&quot; in the context of laissez faire. &quot;work&quot; for &quot;whom&quot;?&quot;

It works for people that work. It works for enterprising people. It works for people who earn rewards.

&quot;I tell you that the abuse of people in power (with money and resources) would keep it from working for most people.&quot;

What kind of abuse of power? That&#039;s vague. We still have laws. Hands off is not anarchy. If you&#039;re talking about law breakers, we still need to enforce our laws. If no law is broken, how do you define abuse? Laissez-faire approach is creating a high requirement for adding new laws and regulations. Public safety concern? Show your evidence. Social justice? Get lost.

&quot;Your answer to this is that poor people and leftist politicians aren&#039;t saints either. Yeah no kidding…communism is bad…I @^#*@)@!_ remember. You didn&#039;t seem to need to be reminded of that.&quot;

Do you disagree that communism is bad or not? Do you think lying and promising impossible things is a good way to lead a nation?

&quot;Look, I guess if laissez faire and it&#039;s accompanying philosophies are really what you want to champion, then everyone should just be open and honest about it.&quot;

We are arguing for that, but when we use jargon, people don&#039;t know what the hell we&#039;re talking about because of leftist dogmas and deliberate misinformation to paint everything non-communist as innately unjust. Even you seem to think that laissez-faire is having no law at all.

&quot;But I would like to hear more about our future if we did…tomorrow…embrace completely laissez faire capitalism, close up two thirds of the federal government and dismantled every socioeconomic law that&#039;s come about in the last century.&quot;



We have to back our way out of the commitments we&#039;ve made to people. You can&#039;t ask dependent people to simply go cold turkey after making some of them dependent since the day they were born. We need programs trimmed back first by cutting fraud, gradually stiffening requirements and filtering people out sensibly to restore sanity to these programs. And we need to completely overhaul our education standards and get rid of the political dogmas that are thrust on children from day one in school. We need to get rid of a lot of unions, but not all because in general people have a right to organize but not when working for government institutions or anything that can be turned political like teaching jobs and so forth. That&#039;s not a comprehensive plan but a quick sample of suggestions off the top of my head.


We can&#039;t change back overnight but within a generation we can restore every bit of those lost lessons of our true history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You say the &#8220;free market&#8221; would &#8220;work&#8221; in the context of laissez faire. &#8220;work&#8221; for &#8220;whom&#8221;?&#8221;</p>
<p>It works for people that work. It works for enterprising people. It works for people who earn rewards.</p>
<p>&#8220;I tell you that the abuse of people in power (with money and resources) would keep it from working for most people.&#8221;</p>
<p>What kind of abuse of power? That&#8217;s vague. We still have laws. Hands off is not anarchy. If you&#8217;re talking about law breakers, we still need to enforce our laws. If no law is broken, how do you define abuse? Laissez-faire approach is creating a high requirement for adding new laws and regulations. Public safety concern? Show your evidence. Social justice? Get lost.</p>
<p>&#8220;Your answer to this is that poor people and leftist politicians aren&#8217;t saints either. Yeah no kidding…communism is bad…I @^#*@)@!_ remember. You didn&#8217;t seem to need to be reminded of that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you disagree that communism is bad or not? Do you think lying and promising impossible things is a good way to lead a nation?</p>
<p>&#8220;Look, I guess if laissez faire and it&#8217;s accompanying philosophies are really what you want to champion, then everyone should just be open and honest about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>We are arguing for that, but when we use jargon, people don&#8217;t know what the hell we&#8217;re talking about because of leftist dogmas and deliberate misinformation to paint everything non-communist as innately unjust. Even you seem to think that laissez-faire is having no law at all.</p>
<p>&#8220;But I would like to hear more about our future if we did…tomorrow…embrace completely laissez faire capitalism, close up two thirds of the federal government and dismantled every socioeconomic law that&#8217;s come about in the last century.&#8221;</p>
<p>We have to back our way out of the commitments we&#8217;ve made to people. You can&#8217;t ask dependent people to simply go cold turkey after making some of them dependent since the day they were born. We need programs trimmed back first by cutting fraud, gradually stiffening requirements and filtering people out sensibly to restore sanity to these programs. And we need to completely overhaul our education standards and get rid of the political dogmas that are thrust on children from day one in school. We need to get rid of a lot of unions, but not all because in general people have a right to organize but not when working for government institutions or anything that can be turned political like teaching jobs and so forth. That&#8217;s not a comprehensive plan but a quick sample of suggestions off the top of my head.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t change back overnight but within a generation we can restore every bit of those lost lessons of our true history.</p>
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		<title>By: justquitnow</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right...so you are still arguing that communism is bad. I would have thought you&#039;d have established that by now.

You say the &quot;free market&quot; would &quot;work&quot; in the context of laissez faire. &quot;work&quot; for &quot;whom&quot;? I tell you that the abuse of people in power (with money and resources) would keep it from working for most people. We&#039;ve seen it in our own history….that is what brought about the regulations in the first place.

Your answer to this is that poor people and leftist politicians aren&#039;t saints either. Yeah no kidding…communism is bad…I @^#*@)@!_ remember. You didn&#039;t seem to need to be reminded of that.

Look, I guess if laissez faire and it&#039;s accompanying philosophies are really what you want to champion, then everyone should just be open and honest about it. But I would like to hear more about our future if we did…tomorrow…embrace completely laissez faire capitalism, close up two thirds of the federal government and dismantled every socioeconomic law that&#039;s come about in the last century.

Paint me a picture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right&#8230;so you are still arguing that communism is bad. I would have thought you&#8217;d have established that by now.</p>
<p>You say the &#8220;free market&#8221; would &#8220;work&#8221; in the context of laissez faire. &#8220;work&#8221; for &#8220;whom&#8221;? I tell you that the abuse of people in power (with money and resources) would keep it from working for most people. We&#8217;ve seen it in our own history….that is what brought about the regulations in the first place.</p>
<p>Your answer to this is that poor people and leftist politicians aren&#8217;t saints either. Yeah no kidding…communism is bad…I @^#*@)@!_ remember. You didn&#8217;t seem to need to be reminded of that.</p>
<p>Look, I guess if laissez faire and it&#8217;s accompanying philosophies are really what you want to champion, then everyone should just be open and honest about it. But I would like to hear more about our future if we did…tomorrow…embrace completely laissez faire capitalism, close up two thirds of the federal government and dismantled every socioeconomic law that&#8217;s come about in the last century.</p>
<p>Paint me a picture.</p>
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		<title>By: ziggy zoggy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obama is more than half White. What does anti-Black racism have to do with him?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is more than half White. What does anti-Black racism have to do with him?</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Executive power is a concern…but not over ACA.&quot;

Do you have even a vague clue how much information is being consolidated and administered in one place, in a compulsory program?

&quot;The potent mixer of NSA and legal drone warfare targeting Americans without trials…that is all very alarming and believe me, it&#039;s not just the tinfoil hat crowd that is putting pressure on Obama when it comes to these issues.&quot;

The ACA is worse. Much worse.

&quot;Frankly, if the ACA was going to be a disaster then the Republicans should have allowed it to go into effect and then feed off the cluster*ck in 2016.&quot;

Some argued for that, but others pointed out that once these programs are in place, the solution is always to make it bigger when it becomes f-ed up. And look at the web site already. The justifications will always be that we invested X amount already and additionally established that these beneficiaries (official class victims) are now entitled, no matter what the costs. And nobody will ever tell the truth about costs. Just like now. The longer they wait, the worse it will get.

&quot;But what they fear is that the dust of their insane rhetoric will settle and people will benefit from and like the new laws and regulations. That is their biggest fear.&quot;

Maybe that&#039;s part of it. But if they liked it for good reasons that would be a reason for the Republicans to simply support it. Some times people love the poisons they take. And many people love getting free stuff paid for by others.

&quot;Calling all socialism…Marxist or communist and implying that it has the same ends is just more extreme.&quot;

The ideas are not unrelated. It&#039;s Marxist ideology. It&#039;s socialism as a transition to communism. That was Marx&#039;s idea. So it&#039;s all related but there are distinctions. Most people understand this but if you don&#039;t take the time to ask for details it&#039;s always easy to assume the other guy is an idiot if he says something you don&#039;t want to hear.

&quot;So we can be clear and understand the difference between concepts.&quot;



Press for details if you&#039;re unclear where someone&#039;s going. Generally speaking there is a fear that these socialist style programs are Trojan horses for people that want to grow the government. And that is a big risk. It&#039;s an especially big risk when an barely-vetted POTUS was raised by communists and does nothing all of his life but get involved in communist and socialist programs that are aligned with people that want a radical revolution. What does &quot;transformation&quot; imply to you from POTUS?


Take off your blinders. You do know who Frank Marshall Davis was, don&#039;t you? Look it up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Executive power is a concern…but not over ACA.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you have even a vague clue how much information is being consolidated and administered in one place, in a compulsory program?</p>
<p>&#8220;The potent mixer of NSA and legal drone warfare targeting Americans without trials…that is all very alarming and believe me, it&#8217;s not just the tinfoil hat crowd that is putting pressure on Obama when it comes to these issues.&#8221;</p>
<p>The ACA is worse. Much worse.</p>
<p>&#8220;Frankly, if the ACA was going to be a disaster then the Republicans should have allowed it to go into effect and then feed off the cluster*ck in 2016.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some argued for that, but others pointed out that once these programs are in place, the solution is always to make it bigger when it becomes f-ed up. And look at the web site already. The justifications will always be that we invested X amount already and additionally established that these beneficiaries (official class victims) are now entitled, no matter what the costs. And nobody will ever tell the truth about costs. Just like now. The longer they wait, the worse it will get.</p>
<p>&#8220;But what they fear is that the dust of their insane rhetoric will settle and people will benefit from and like the new laws and regulations. That is their biggest fear.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s part of it. But if they liked it for good reasons that would be a reason for the Republicans to simply support it. Some times people love the poisons they take. And many people love getting free stuff paid for by others.</p>
<p>&#8220;Calling all socialism…Marxist or communist and implying that it has the same ends is just more extreme.&#8221;</p>
<p>The ideas are not unrelated. It&#8217;s Marxist ideology. It&#8217;s socialism as a transition to communism. That was Marx&#8217;s idea. So it&#8217;s all related but there are distinctions. Most people understand this but if you don&#8217;t take the time to ask for details it&#8217;s always easy to assume the other guy is an idiot if he says something you don&#8217;t want to hear.</p>
<p>&#8220;So we can be clear and understand the difference between concepts.&#8221;</p>
<p>Press for details if you&#8217;re unclear where someone&#8217;s going. Generally speaking there is a fear that these socialist style programs are Trojan horses for people that want to grow the government. And that is a big risk. It&#8217;s an especially big risk when an barely-vetted POTUS was raised by communists and does nothing all of his life but get involved in communist and socialist programs that are aligned with people that want a radical revolution. What does &#8220;transformation&#8221; imply to you from POTUS?</p>
<p>Take off your blinders. You do know who Frank Marshall Davis was, don&#8217;t you? Look it up.</p>
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		<title>By: ziggy zoggy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s the most honest thing I&#039;ve ever read by you. You ignored every other point I made, though. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the most honest thing I&#8217;ve ever read by you. You ignored every other point I made, though. </p>
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