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		<title>By: jewdog</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2013 02:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article, Bruce.
I would just add my own opinion on the relative Western neglect of Third World atrocities as having its root in the inability of people to identify with the protagonists in a conflict. For example, the Rwanda genocide involved black Africans only, so whites have a harder time relating to that conflict, than, say, to Apartheid, which involved whites. The same thing applies to the persecution of Christians in Muslim countries, where there is some concern by Westerners, but not nearly as much concern as that shown over Muslim attacks in Western countries.
Mandela is idealized so much because, for all his faults, his relatively gentle liberation helped guilt-ridden whites feel good about themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Bruce.<br />
I would just add my own opinion on the relative Western neglect of Third World atrocities as having its root in the inability of people to identify with the protagonists in a conflict. For example, the Rwanda genocide involved black Africans only, so whites have a harder time relating to that conflict, than, say, to Apartheid, which involved whites. The same thing applies to the persecution of Christians in Muslim countries, where there is some concern by Westerners, but not nearly as much concern as that shown over Muslim attacks in Western countries.<br />
Mandela is idealized so much because, for all his faults, his relatively gentle liberation helped guilt-ridden whites feel good about themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: T100C1970</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T100C1970]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2013 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And the rugby team name &quot;All Blacks&quot; was already claimed by New Zealand :-) .. Springbok also (at least used to be) the call sign of the RSA national airline.. Don&#039;t know if it still is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the rugby team name &#8220;All Blacks&#8221; was already claimed by New Zealand <img src="http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" />  .. Springbok also (at least used to be) the call sign of the RSA national airline.. Don&#8217;t know if it still is.</p>
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		<title>By: monostor</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The name of the soccer team needed no change because soccer is the black people&#039;s national sport in SA. What Mandela kept was the name of the rugby team, the Springboks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name of the soccer team needed no change because soccer is the black people&#8217;s national sport in SA. What Mandela kept was the name of the rugby team, the Springboks.</p>
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		<title>By: theoprinse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theoprinse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank for the asrticle and many goof arguments agaisnt Mandela. 
I do not think he deserves recognition because Mandela was merely he pawn between teh east and rhe west and South Africa in the hands of communists like Joe Slovo was a compensation for the downfall of the Soviet Union. 
The reconcilliation was nothing more than a DDR bridge exchanging eastern and western spies. 
South Africa was part of what became communist Angola, communist Zimbabwe and communist Mozambique. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank for the asrticle and many goof arguments agaisnt Mandela.<br />
I do not think he deserves recognition because Mandela was merely he pawn between teh east and rhe west and South Africa in the hands of communists like Joe Slovo was a compensation for the downfall of the Soviet Union.<br />
The reconcilliation was nothing more than a DDR bridge exchanging eastern and western spies.<br />
South Africa was part of what became communist Angola, communist Zimbabwe and communist Mozambique.<br />
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		<title>By: GuyGreen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As sane, compassionate and accurate an eulogy as I have thus far seen. I am not in the least surprised that it comes from Daniel Greenfield. The man maintains his strangle hold on reality. Lonely duty well accepted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As sane, compassionate and accurate an eulogy as I have thus far seen. I am not in the least surprised that it comes from Daniel Greenfield. The man maintains his strangle hold on reality. Lonely duty well accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: A Z</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mandela went down a better path.  He could have gone down a better one still.

South Africa is getting worse.  Part of that is Mandela&#039;s fault, but there is a lot of blame to go around mainly with the ANC and current leaders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mandela went down a better path.  He could have gone down a better one still.</p>
<p>South Africa is getting worse.  Part of that is Mandela&#8217;s fault, but there is a lot of blame to go around mainly with the ANC and current leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: A Z</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Kill Gandhi, if that isn’t enough then kill the other leaders too, if that isn’t enough then two hundred more activists, and so on until the Indian people will give up the hope of independence.” -H/tler

Why have this H/tler quote been disseminated widely?  Maybe the because a person would have to come to the conclusions Mr Thornton wrote above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Kill Gandhi, if that isn’t enough then kill the other leaders too, if that isn’t enough then two hundred more activists, and so on until the Indian people will give up the hope of independence.” -H/tler</p>
<p>Why have this H/tler quote been disseminated widely?  Maybe the because a person would have to come to the conclusions Mr Thornton wrote above.</p>
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		<title>By: A Z</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. &quot;His efforts against the nuclear-armed South African apartheid regime were ultimately successful because they were directed against a Western civilization that could be appealed to on the basis of those ideals&quot;

2.  Indeed, Mandela could not have succeeded against any other than a liberal-democratic Western country. 

3. “Kill Gandhi, if that isn’t enough then kill the other leaders too, if that isn’t enough then two hundred more activists, and so on until the Indian people will give up the hope of independence.”  -H/tler

Pretty much irrefutable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. &#8220;His efforts against the nuclear-armed South African apartheid regime were ultimately successful because they were directed against a Western civilization that could be appealed to on the basis of those ideals&#8221;</p>
<p>2.  Indeed, Mandela could not have succeeded against any other than a liberal-democratic Western country. </p>
<p>3. “Kill Gandhi, if that isn’t enough then kill the other leaders too, if that isn’t enough then two hundred more activists, and so on until the Indian people will give up the hope of independence.”  -H/tler</p>
<p>Pretty much irrefutable.</p>
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		<title>By: Demetrius Minneapolis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Demetrius Minneapolis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...better government and society&quot;? What? From what I hear the popularity of the ANC for blacks is in the proverbial toilet because all their promises, as most liberal ones are, were built upon zero reality. Perhaps Mandela&#039;s death will rekindle a temporary nostalgic passion for the ANC, but how long can that last. 

As for a better society, did you read this article on FrontPage this morning? Here is the great legacy of Nelson Mandela placed in one fine commentary.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/the-mandela-myth/?utm_source=FrontPage+Magazine&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=e5c9bb658f-Mailchimp_FrontPageMag&amp;utm_term=0_57e32c1dad-e5c9bb658f-156477675]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;better government and society&#8221;? What? From what I hear the popularity of the ANC for blacks is in the proverbial toilet because all their promises, as most liberal ones are, were built upon zero reality. Perhaps Mandela&#8217;s death will rekindle a temporary nostalgic passion for the ANC, but how long can that last. </p>
<p>As for a better society, did you read this article on FrontPage this morning? Here is the great legacy of Nelson Mandela placed in one fine commentary.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/the-mandela-myth/?utm_source=FrontPage+Magazine&#038;utm_medium=email&#038;utm_campaign=e5c9bb658f-Mailchimp_FrontPageMag&#038;utm_term=0_57e32c1dad-e5c9bb658f-156477675" rel="nofollow">http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/the-mandela-myth/?utm_source=FrontPage+Magazine&#038;utm_medium=email&#038;utm_campaign=e5c9bb658f-Mailchimp_FrontPageMag&#038;utm_term=0_57e32c1dad-e5c9bb658f-156477675</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ampersand</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was in South Africa both before the ANC took over (and after, also).   I can testify that many black Africans from Zimbabwe came to South Africa because, to quote one, &quot;I&#039;m treated much better in SA than in my home country.  There, I&#039;m the wrong tribe (Matabele) and they are taking my family&#039;s land from them.&quot;


Also, one of the features of the ANC resistance was concentration camps for black South African patriots who opposed the ANC.  The head of one of these camps, Mzwai Piliso, got a hand-slap by the ANC and has a street named after him in Joberg.


Mandela overall did far better than many other African leaders in leading the transition to a better government and society.  Let&#039;s hope that they can overcome their overwhelming problems and become a beacon of success for Africa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in South Africa both before the ANC took over (and after, also).   I can testify that many black Africans from Zimbabwe came to South Africa because, to quote one, &#8220;I&#8217;m treated much better in SA than in my home country.  There, I&#8217;m the wrong tribe (Matabele) and they are taking my family&#8217;s land from them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, one of the features of the ANC resistance was concentration camps for black South African patriots who opposed the ANC.  The head of one of these camps, Mzwai Piliso, got a hand-slap by the ANC and has a street named after him in Joberg.</p>
<p>Mandela overall did far better than many other African leaders in leading the transition to a better government and society.  Let&#8217;s hope that they can overcome their overwhelming problems and become a beacon of success for Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: ApolloSpeaks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ApolloSpeaks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 09:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AS IF BY AN ACT OF PROVIDENCE

the humane, saintly but very flawed Nelson Mandela (he was a deluded communist at heart) became president of South Africa on May 10, 1994, the 129th anniversary of the end of the American Civil War; and left office 1861 days later, symbolizing the year the American Civil War began. For more on the fascinating subject of Providence and Mandela click www.apollospeaks.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AS IF BY AN ACT OF PROVIDENCE</p>
<p>the humane, saintly but very flawed Nelson Mandela (he was a deluded communist at heart) became president of South Africa on May 10, 1994, the 129th anniversary of the end of the American Civil War; and left office 1861 days later, symbolizing the year the American Civil War began. For more on the fascinating subject of Providence and Mandela click <a href="http://www.apollospeaks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.apollospeaks.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Armstrong</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryce Armstrong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 08:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I take ithat itstoo soon for you to start calling him a conservative, huh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I take ithat itstoo soon for you to start calling him a conservative, huh?</p>
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