Obama’s Munich

Bruce Thornton is a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, a Research Fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution, and a Professor of Classics and Humanities at the California State University. He is the author of nine books and numerous essays on classical culture and its influence on Western Civilization. His most recent book, Democracy's Dangers and Discontents (Hoover Institution Press), is now available for purchase.


143022The interim agreement negotiated by the Security Council and Germany with Iran is a serious advance toward what Winston Churchill called the Munich agreement: “a total and unmitigated defeat” and a “disaster of the first magnitude.” Nothing in the agreement guarantees that Iran will fulfill its promises, or that inspectors will be allowed access to all of Iran’s enrichment facilities, let alone its secret sites, or that serious consequences will follow violations of the terms of the agreement. The agreement does nothing to force Iran to come clean on, let alone dismantle, all its weapons facilities, or to reverse Iran’s capacity to enrich uranium––indeed, it is arguably a de facto recognition of Iran’s right to do so. In exchange for signing, Iran will gain access to multiple billions of dollars in sanction relief, and 6 more months to spin the centrifuges, confident that sanctions once relaxed are unlikely to be reimposed.

No wonder they are celebrating in Tehran. And for good reason, given how much they will receive and how little they have promised. It reminds me of Churchill’s metaphor in the same speech when he refuted the Chancellor of the Exchequer’s claim that Hitler had been made to “retract.” In fact, Churchill said of the three meetings between Chamberlain and Hitler,  “£1 was demanded at the pistol’s point. When it was given, £2 were demanded at the pistol’s point. Finally, the dictator consented to take £1 17s. 6d. and the rest in promises of goodwill for the future.”

So much is obvious, even to many Democrats in Congress, who may join with Republicans to stop this quantum leap towards full-blown appeasement and a nuclear-armed Iran when in 6 months some “comprehensive” appeasing agreement is proffered. What remains to be seen is whether the American people will become as worried over this disaster as they have been angry over Obamacare. Weary of war, and seemingly indifferent to the squandering of lives in Iraq and Afghanistan wrought by Obama’s hasty and feckless withdrawal from those countries, Americans may feel about the Middle East and its complex hatreds and rivalries as Chamberlain did about the crisis in Czechoslovakia–– “a quarrel in a far-away country between people of whom we know nothing.”

Such shortsightedness is dangerous not just to our ally Israel. For years Europe––and now it appears America too––has tried to force Israel into the role of Czechoslovakia in the Munich crisis in order to appease Palestinian Arab aggression and violence. In 1938 politicians in France and England were impatient with the Czechs’ desire to maintain their sovereignty and ensure their security against an aggressor on their borders. Every outrageous demand made by Hitler and his stooges in the Sudetenland was met with scolding of the Czechs for their intransigence. The French warned the Czechs not to be “unreasonable,” the British thought they needed “to get a real twist of the screw,” the English minister in Prague advised Czech president Edvard Benes to “go forthwith to the very limit of concession,” English Foreign Minister Lord Halifax told the Czechs that “in the interests of international peace every possible step should be taken to remove the cause of friction or even of conflict,” and both French and English diplomats urged the Czechs to accept the dismemberment of their country “before producing a situation for which France and Britain could take no responsibility.” Faced with a ruthless aggressor, the victim was bullied into committing suicide by its so-called allies.

How similar to the shameless pressure on Israel from the Western powers and the Obama administration. They have scolded and bullied Israel over “settlements” and the so-called “occupation” of lands that were the homeland of the Jewish people for two millennia. They have urged Israeli acquiescence to the specious “two-state solution” and respect for “Palestinian self-determination.” They have pressed negotiations with and concessions to enemies that have made plain in word and bloody deed their goal of “wiping Israel off the map,” as an ex-president of Iran once said, and as every Friday imams across the Muslim Middle East preach to their flocks. Once more Churchill is instructive: “We in this country, as in other Liberal and democratic countries, have a perfect right to exalt the principle of self-determination, but it comes ill out of the mouths of those in totalitarian states who deny even the smallest element of toleration to every section and creed within their bounds.” Yet this current agreement, which de facto concedes to Iran the right to create the weapons that can turn these threats to reality, ignores the true nature of Israel’s intolerant enemies, and the security concerns of the most vulnerable state in the region.

On the contrary, Obama is pressuring Israel to forbear and trust the oft violated and broken promises of a mortal enemy, just as France and England in 1938 ignored Hitler’s threats at the Nuremberg party-rally that no agreements would be reached with an “irreconcilable” enemy. It would be dangerous for Americans sick of this seemingly far-away conflict to buy into this false narrative that blames Israeli “intransigence” and “occupation” over a “Palestinian homeland” for Muslim terrorism and violence that are in fact rooted in Islamic doctrine and evidenced by the record of history.

Worse yet, it would be equally dangerous to think that the comparison of the current appeasement of Iran with Munich is false because we Americans do not face an existential threat from an enemy as militarily powerful as we, or that, to paraphrase Churchill, “nothing vitally affecting us [is] at stake.” If Iran becomes a nuclear power, there will not be a world war like the one that was spawned by Munich and that cost 50 million lives. But we will indeed be vitally affected. The on-going conflicts of Sunni against Shiites, jihadists against autocrats, and everyone against Israel will be intensified and magnified immeasurably by Iran’s possession of nuclear weapons and the regional proliferation to follow––assuming Israel does not strike the facilities and set back the program, with violent and disordering blowback that can only be imagined.

And make no mistake, this violence and disorder will indeed affect our interests and security. We may be nearing energy independence, but in a globalized economy, the rest of the world with whom we trade will still be dependent on Middle Eastern oil, and the disruption to their economies from oil shortages and a shut-down of the straits of Hormuz will affect our own, which is still struggling with unemployment, rising debt, and run-away entitlement spending. Nor should we dismiss as fantastic the possibility that Iran, the world’s foremost supporter of terrorism with 35 years of American blood on its hands, will hand off dirty bombs to one of its many jihadist affiliates for attacks on our homeland. Who on September 10, 2001 believed that terrorists armed with box-cutters would level the World Trade Center? Total war will not follow from Iran’s possession of nuclear weapons, but an insidious degradation of our security will, until another terrorist attacks breeds more war, more compromises of our individual freedoms, more erosion of our morale and will, and more appeasement, the consequences of which will be borne by our children and grandchildren.

Finally, this deal signals once again that under Obama America is now considered weak and cowardly, uninterested in acting on the global responsibilities that necessarily have attended its unprecedented wealth and power, and eager for retreat and withdrawal no matter how dangerous the long-term consequences. Here too we resemble the British as Churchill described them in his Munich speech: “We have been reduced in those five years [since Hitler’s rise to power] from a position of security so overwhelming and so unchallengeable that we never cared to think about it. We have been reduced from a position where the very word ‘war’ was considered one which could be used only by persons qualifying for a lunatic asylum. We have been reduced from a position of safety and power––power to do good, power to be generous to a beaten foe, power to make terms with Germany, power to give her proper redress for her grievances, power to stop her arming if we chose, power to take any step in strength or mercy or justice which we thought right––reduced in five years from a position safe and unchallenged to where we stand now.” All diplomacy and negotiation with our foes depends on their belief that we back our agreements with punishing force. Today both our friends and enemies no longer believe that we have the will or courage to back our words with deeds.

Only the American people can stop the unfolding disaster of the agreement with Iran, and only by the means Churchill recommended to his countrymen: with “a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigor, we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time.”

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  • Bamaguje

    “America too––has tried to force Israel into the role of Czechoslovakia
    in the Munich crisis in order to appease Palestinian Arab aggression… Faced with a ruthless
    aggressor, the victim was bullied into committing suicide by its
    so-called allies.” – Bruce Thornton

    They did it to Serbia, forcing her to give up parts of her ancestral land to Muslim aggressors in Bosnia and Kosovo.

    • BS77

      The way to negotiate with Iran was to turn all their nuclear weapons facilities into smoking rubble….then “negotiate” with them. End of story.

      • EarlyBird

        Neato. And is that when the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims embrace America?

        • JacksonPearson

          You’re the only one that appears to care about that. Still carrying water for the religion of piss?

        • BS77

          many would, yes.

        • defcon 4

          WHen will the muslimes of the world stop persecuting, murdering and raping the najjis kaffir Ahhhhhmmmmmmedddddd?

        • BS77

          Hey Early Bird….Iran is feared throughout the middle east by tens of millions of secularists, Christians,Jews and Sunni Muslims as a direct threat…or didn’t you know that? Iran constantly tells us “Death to America”. WHy trust them? Destroy their nuclear weapons factories and breath a sigh of relief!!!! Minimal collateral damage…just a few large buildings turned to rubble. Is there a down side here?

        • Drakken

          I don’t give a rat’s azz if they embrace or not, better for the savages to fear us. For every jihadist attack, we smoke a muslim dominated city.

        • ziggy zoggy

          1.5 billion? You wish. 8 or 9 hundred million at the most. Don’t worry though. There are 3 billion Christians and counting. It’s the fastest growing religion in the world. =D

          • defcon 4

            You’re hurting ahmed’s delicate islamic feelings.

  • wildjew

    B. Thornton wrote: “What remains to be seen is whether the American people will become as worried over this disaster as they have been angry over Obamacare. Weary of war, and seemingly indifferent to the squandering of lives in Iraq and Afghanistan wrought by Obama’s hasty and feckless withdrawal from those countries, Americans may feel about the Middle East and its complex hatreds and rivalries as Chamberlain did about the crisis in Czechoslovakia–– “a quarrel in a far-away country between people of whom we know nothing….”

    The answer I believe is “NO.” Israelis newspaper headlines this morning: Poll: Americans back Iran deal by 2-to-1 margin

    Americans (I think) foolishly believe they are safe (as Alexis de Tocqueville wrote), “Placed in the centre of an immense continent…. insulated from the world as if its frontiers were girt by the ocean….”

    That is why it is imperative to elect “leaders” with integrity. Americans will rue the day (one day) they elected and then re-elected Barack Hussein Obama.

    • knowshistory

      those with any sense at all did not vote for the muslim. those who did are not capable of seeing beyond their next welfare check, and the only thing they will rue is the day the checks stop arriving. you give way too little credit to the minority of american voters, and way too much to the government supported majority who now rule the country, and will continue to do so until the checks stop coming. those of us who want to do the best for our entire country, instead of loot it for personal gain, already rue the decision of the paid majority to be misruled by an enemy of all of civilization.

      • wildjew

        I do not give way too little credit to the minority of American voters who did not vote for Obama; who do not support Obama. As one who knows history (that is your moniker) you are aware not every German voted for the N azi party in the early nineteen thirties, yet Germany collectively suffered for the sins of those who did. The same holds true with the United States.

        I’ve got to disagree with you slightly about the nature of those who voted for Barack Obama. Sure there were those who are not capable of seeing beyond their next welfare check but there were (are) also millions of Americans who go to work, who earn a living, who are otherwise intelligent, pretty well informed (college educated people) who voted for this Muslim-born president. I know some of these people. Some are neighbors. Some are relatives. Some are customers.

      • wildjew

        I do not give way too little credit to the minority of American voters who did not vote for and who do not support Barack Obama. There was a large minority of Germans who did not vote for the Hit ler party in the early nineteen thirties. Notwithstanding, Germany collectively suffered for the sins of the many. The same will hold true here in the United States.

        I must disagree slightly with the notion that it is only the government supported majority who elected and support Barack Obama. I know people who are not supported by the government, who go out and earn a living, that voted for Barack Obama. Had these millions of Americans not voted for Obama; had millions of working conservative Americans voted in the last elections rather than sit the election out (as one caller told Rush Limbaugh after last November’s election), we would not have this nightmare in the White House.

        • defcon 4

          You’re assuming the whole 2012 POTUS election wasn’t rigged from the get-go.

          • A Z

            The election of Gregoire to Washington Governor and Al Franken to Senator show that important races can be rigged. Felons were used in both cases.

            Then you have the open Obama phone crowd that is bribed openly.

          • wildjew

            “Bush stole the election in 2000!” here in Fla.

            http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/01/the_myth_of_the_stolen_electio.html

          • defcon 4

            Strangely enough there were many more shenanigans in the 2012 election, but for some reason the enemedia didn’t have any problem with them.

          • A Z

            I remember the 2000 election especially in regards to Florida is where the Democrats did not want to count overseas military ballots.

            The military leans about 2 to 1 Republican over Democrat.

            The Democrats were very strenuously exerting themselves to get the military ballots thrown out.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/21/us/counting-vote-absentee-ballots-review-military-votes-florida-attorney-general.html

            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/05/flashback-dems-disqualified-military-ballots-in-2000

          • wildjew

            Limbaugh (I disagree with him on some / several issues) gets quite a few calls on this matter of rigging elections or fraud. I pretty much come down on the same side as he does. He recognizes fraud is pervasive on the left, no question. But not enough fraud to tip the balance when conservatives come out en mass and vote for the nominee. The polls were pretty accurate on Nov. 2012. Obama had been leading Romney in the final weeks as the campaign turned to foreign policy, Benghazi, Egypt / Muslim, Brotherhood, Syria, etc., all of which Romney saw things eye to eye with Obama. Romney fought for the Palestinian terrorist cause! On foreign policy / national security there was NO light between Romney and Obama.

            McCain and Romney simply did not energize the base. I listened to one caller (who no doubt represents millions of conservatives) tell Limbaugh, ‘if they keep giving us Mitt Romneys we are going to stay home…’ Limbaugh was aghast.

          • defcon 4

            We’ll never know, because there is no voter ID law, there is no way to validate the election returns. As Stalin is reported to have said: “I don’t care who you vote for, as long as I get to count the votes”.

          • Fritz

            No Stalin said, “It doesn’t matter whom they vote for, it’s who does the counting.”
            A more apt description of the Democrat methods of electioneering was what Al Capone said:
            “Vote Early and vote often”

  • JVictor

    A very wise man by the name of Solomon once said, “There is nothing new under the sun.” No matter how the progressives and other anti-Israel and anti-western civilization proponents are spinning this “agreement” with Iran, we are witnessing history repeat itself again. These same proponents are either blind to the facts of history, like the false prophet of Islam saying it was fine for Muslims to lie in order to further their agenda for world domination, or are full-fledged supporters of their much-desired global caliphate with its center of power in the very homeland of Solomon, his people, and the Messiah. There cannot be any other option.

  • naro

    Obama has lied about the Geneva agreement as he has about everything else. Americans have no clue as to the details in the real agreement, and the true cost of this surrender .

    • wildjew

      I heard a guest interviewed the other day on the Sean Hannity program. He essentially said it has come to the point where (as you say) Americans have no clue as to the details because they are not interested in knowing. Hannity agreed. It’s not that information isn’t out there. The people are distracted by other things, sports, popular culture, etc. This will come back to bite the American people one day.

      • The March Hare

        It’s not that they are distracted. They never had an interest in the first place. That is what America has become thanks to communist control of our schools, media, entertainment and government that produced today’s modern culture.

        • wildjew

          When the Allies began bombing German cities into ruins 1944-1945, do you think Germans began to wake up to the fact that fascists controlled the message in their schools, media, entertainment and government? Yes, I think disinterested Germans became interested. Don’t you? When nukes begin exploding in American cities and Muslims go house to house, slaughtering and rapping our women, then it might be too late. What do you think?

          I have little sympathy for arrogance, apathy and stupidity. How about you?

          • The March Hare

            Yes, many will wake up, but at that point, the power to resist will be weak against overwhelming power. Little sympathy? How about seething with anger about arrogance, apathy and stupidity.

    • SFLBIB

      Obama was reported to have told Netanyahu that part of the agreement with Iran is, “If you like your Israel, you can keep your Israel. Period.”

      • John E Coleman

        Hello all, You Gotta love this guy ! way to go SFLBIB
        You tell it like it IS !!!
        OBAMA is A Lying Scum Bag ! Period >>>>>>>>>………

        • SFLBIB

          Thx. for your kind words.

  • wildjew

    Mr. Thorton, you wrote: “For years Europe––and NOW (emphasis mine) it appears America too––has tried to force Israel into the role of Czechoslovakia in the Munich crisis in order to appease Palestinian Arab aggression and violence.”

    Please Mr. Thorton, let us be honest as conservatives. You can argue that Barack Obama is viscerally anti-Israel (and anti-America) from his youth. I would agree. However, it was former President George W. Bush who made the establishment of a Palestinian terror state in Israel’s heartland a “formal goal of U.S. policy.” Bush made that ignominious pledge only days after the 9/11/2001 Muslim-terror attacks in New York and Washington. Early October 2001 Bush committed his administration to the establishment of a Muslim-enemy state at Israel’s throat.

  • wildjew

    “Total war will not follow from Iran’s possession of nuclear weapons…”

    Total war will not follow immediately from Iran’s possession of nuclear weapons. If the Iranians are patient and clever (there is reason to believe they are), they will multiply many hundreds of these weapons and devices in the years to come. Then they could be in our cities, aimed at our cities, etc. Then total and devastating war “could” follow from Iran’s possession of nuclear weapons.

    • EarlyBird

      Or, both Israel and Iran could face each other down over the prospect of MAD, like the US and USSR did for 50 years, and not come to blows, and ultimately tire of that relationship and learn to cooperate over items of mutual interest.

      You might be amazed out how reasonable the Tehran government might become if it gets out from under the constant threat of regime change. The mullah’s existential threat from the US/Israel is much more real at this moment than any threat Israel is experiencing from Iran.

      Even better, let’s be hopeful Iran is serious about this agreement and don’t get nuclear weapons to begin with, and start engaging the world constructively again (like they used to). They have a lot of interests and economic connections with the world. If they know the US does not want to bomb, invade and occupy their nation, they might start being normal.

      • Drakken

        Yeah and I’ll bet you can wish in one hand and sh*t in the other, which one are you going to fill first? Tehran just ran the biggest scam since Munich, and here you are cheering for it. You really don’t understand the muslim mind and how it operates do you? MAD does not work with these effing savages, and your going to find that out in short order.

        • EarlyBird

          Oh no! Baby Chesty doesn’t get his war! Boo hoo. Go jump on a grenade and save your platoon, idiot.

          • defcon 4

            Strap on your suicide belt and die for your death cult Hajji — before there’s a shortage of virgins in islamic heaven.

          • Drakken

            What’s the matter? Can’t bend over for your hero Obummer fast and far enough for your taste? Or will you look up at with adoring eyes as you swallow?

      • defcon 4

        “reasonable”, now that’s funny.

      • wildjew

        Reasonable like the late Mohamed Atta was when his hostages were pleading for their lives on American Airlines Flight 11?

        • EarlyBird

          Nice non-sequitor, but I’ll answer your question anyway: No. Mohammed Atta was a crazed zealot who wanted to die for Allah. Iran’s mullahs, however rotten they are, show no such signs of craziness. Their desire for nukes is to protect against the existential crisis they have faced for a long time, which is the bombing, invasion and occupation by the US on behalf of Israel, i.e., your preferred course of action.

          It is possible that by indicating to them that we want a change in our relationship, we can start thawing and changing that relationship. We have to start somewhere, and every move includes risks. Remember, a lot of you right wing lunatics thought Reagan was being naive when he reached out to Gorby. If only the Soviets were as weak then as Iran is today.

          If we find that the Iranians are not living up to the deal, we can put those sanctions in place. Hey, maybe even Bibi will do that strike he’s been wanting so badly, huh? This is only the end of Likud’s relevance, not the world.

          • wildjew

            Who said Iran’s mullahs are crazed? Not me. I do not think Muhamed Attah was crazed any more than the late Osama bin Laden was crazed. Martyrdom, dying in the cause of Allah is the highest ideal in Islam; the highest form of sacrifice. Are you saying Iran’s mullahs are cowards? If not, what are you saying.

          • Drakken

            You really are not all that bright are you? You go ahead and have faith in a people that stab you in the back the minute your back is turned for an advantage. Your hero Obummer just gave away the store and your cheering for it. Your living proof that you just can’t fix effing stupid.

          • ziggy zoggy

            GirlyTurd is an Iranian living in America.

          • defcon 4

            Thus a lying muslime.

  • m4253y

    shitran is already making claims that the mullah in residence at The White House is misrepresenting (LYING) to the American people the actual facts of the surrender to his mullah colleagues in shitran.

    what more needs be said?

  • WillyWallace

    Attack plans by Israel were in the final stages and Obama knew it so he had Kerry sign any agreement no matter what it said to handcuff Israel and to make it seem he was the hero that averted war. If Israel attacked when talks were planned, then they will be blamed since war could have been averted. When Russia and China agree to something on Iran, when it is they who vetoed every meaningful sanction program and inspections, with Kerry, “I’m an Internationalist,” on top of Obama’s Communist leanings too, you know that the agreement was signed in haste only to snub Israel. They all hate Israel but you do have fake Israeli Democrat supporters slamming the agreement while holding out their hands for the Jewish money and their vote and what’s funny, is that American Jews will fall for that con.

    But, Israel now knows to surely not trust Obama and hopefully they will snub Obama back by revealing info they have from their own spy network showing Obama’s Muslim appeasing is because he is a Muslim and they have recordings revealing that. This as revenge for our NSA, ordered by Obama, to listen in on any of his opponents. “Aiding and Abetting.” Impeachment would be the least of his problems and others, like Holder, will be in the same prison wing.

    • EarlyBird

      Willy, you are being disingenuous here, as Netanyahu is. Simply put, you WANT war on Iran. That’s your position so state it and defend it. Prove a real cost-benefit analysis.

      What would happen, Willy, if a war was launched? What would a win look like, how would we know we won? So, we wipe out the Iranian government, then what? What would even a win cost in terms of blood, military and economic strength? What negative consequences, in addition to positive ones, would come from a win? Weigh the pros and cons here.

      Is is possible we would not win that war? And if so, what would those costs be? Hint: many of the same costs of a win.

      As for your absurdities about Obama being a Muslim and Kerry being a communist, you just expose yourself as an unserious person. You’re part of the problem, Willy.

      • John E Coleman

        Mr Early Bird , From your post , I gather you are Not Jewish !
        Neither am I !! However I am an American Citizen and feel Iran and its Muslim leaders WILL GO NUCLEAR !!! right under Obama’s Slime bag Nose ! SO , I ask YOU this one Question ???
        WHAT THEN ?? Mr Early Trud ??

        • JacksonPearson

          EarlyTurd has been stuck on Muhammadan stupid for a very long time.

      • JacksonPearson

        Obama is a closet Muslim, and a bust PERIOD

        We know all about traitorous “Hanoi John” Kerry from his old Vietnam days…nothing has changed with him.

      • ziggy zoggy

        GirlyTurd,

        What would happen if a war were “launched” with Iran? Iran would lose quickly and ignominiously. No mullah nukes would be detonated in Israel and America. You would cry like the little girl you are.

      • defcon 4

        Have you been consorting w/Djinns….AGAIN?

  • PowertodaPeople1848

    The fact that rabid Zionist warmongers like the denizens of FPM object to the historic agreement between the West and Iran is reason enough to support it. The rest of the world is sick and tired of Zio-imperialist aggression and demonization of Iran and sees through the blatant warmongering propaganda.

    Let’s do a quick comparison. Iran hasn’t attacked another nation in nearly 200 years; Israel attacks its neighbors relatively and deliberately kills massive numbers of civilians. Iran, a signatory to the NPT, doesn’t have and isn’t producing nuclear weapons, as confirmed by Western intelligence agencies; Israel, a non-signatory to the NPT, has a formidable nuclear stockpile that it keeps hidden from the world. Israel threatens to attack Iran on a regular basis; Iran has never threatened to attack Israel, despite deliberate mistranslations and hysterical propaganda to the contrary. Iran is an ancient nation whose people have lived in the region since time immemorial; Israel is a illegitimate colonialist enterprise, sitting on land belonging to another people and whose citizens are largely European. Who’s the bigger threat to regional stability? Boycott, divest from, and sanction the Zionist entity until it gives up its nukes, ends the occupation of Palestine, and ceases its regional bellicosity!

    • BS77

      Time to get back on your lithium.

      • PowertodaPeople1848

        A cheap reply from an intellectually cheap individual. Can any other Hasbara rat do better?

      • Habbgun

        He already did. Otherwise he couldn’t handle typing on a keyboard. Just shows you why Obamacare is so aggressive about mental illness. They need to know where the next generation of Democrats are coming from.

    • defcon 4

      Interesting distortions of the truth. I like the way the actions of Iranian islam0nazis are attributed to the “Zionist warmongers” though. I give it a 6 out of 10 on the Taqiyya scale, for remembering to obfuscate native islamic Jew hatred as anti-Zionist.

    • A Z

      “denizens of FPM” ?

      There are a whole bunch of Swedes, Danes and Norwegians that are not happy with it either. Dispatch International is predicting war.

      “After the nuclear deal in Geneva comes war”
      http://www.d-intl.com/?lang=en/

      There is more than FPM. You have PJ Media. Their pundits are predicting war too.

      I have more thing to say to you. My spouse lived in a Communist country for almost 3 decades. It aint no picnic. Grow the Eff Up!

      • Habbgun

        “Denizens of FPM”. Yeah, he believes it. He thinks we sit around on milk cartons in public parks and eat donated food like his Occupier pals. There’s the FPM tent, the Commentary tent, etc. etc.

        • defcon 4

          Or he squats in his mosque, desperately inveighing allah to kill the Jews and bring the najjis kaffir to heel.

        • EarlyBird

          No, you listen to Rush Limbaugh while reading such propaganda sites like Front Rage Magazine all day, then go home to watch Fox all night. God forbid you actually read or hear something which might challenge you.

          • Habbgun

            OOOOH—That one hit home didn’t it early bird. One of the few nice things about the Obamacare debacle is that they held back the professional webtrolls because there was no defending it. I figured you slobs got some paid days off but I realize that your masters aren’t that generous. Now the virtual air stinks again as you guys get back to work. Anyway I’ve been in NYC for a long time and your crap is just recycled stupidity from Greenwich Village. There is not a thought that is challenging from worthless street scum like yourself. Now back to crapping in your Occupier bucket while your idol Obama steals millions.

          • defcon 4

            AL Jizzya is probably more your style — that and PressTV.

          • Drakken

            You really are one obtuse little cun* aren’t you?

      • EarlyBird

        “Dispatch International is predicting war.”

        What a dishonest position. The reason Bibi and other right wing Israelis and American Israeli Firsters, like the average lunatic on this board, are upset about this deal is not because it will bring about war, but may delay or derail war. They were against ANY deal of ANY kind, short of a demand that the mullahs give up governance of Iran.

        • A Z

          The easy way of taking out the corrupt Ayatollahs would have been to support the Persian spring in 2009. there need not have been a war.

          But your boy, hapless as ever or in the bag for every totalitarian Muslim regime, did not support the protesters now did he.

          There would have been no war.

          • Drakken

            You wait until all the ayatollahs are in the so called holy city of Qom for one of their pedophile meetings, and then you smoke the place and make a nice big hole in the ground, the rest will follow or be destroyed.

          • A Z

            There was one good Ayatollah,Hussein-Ali Montazeri.

            But given how many there are for however many years it is not much of a track record.

            I would have preferred to support the Persian Spring in 2009. but our illustrious CINC had other ideals such as supporting the Arab Spring in 2011 to usher in rule by the Muslim Brotherhood.

        • Drakken

          War is coming dumbazz, if you knew anything other than your feelings you might know that.

        • Drakken

          If you think that this abomination is going to avoid war? Your dumber than you look. This deal makes war inevitable.

        • Will48

          War in September 1938 is much much _much_ better than war in December 1941. And war in March 1936 _was_ even better that that, but we’re already past _that_ point. Damn the W for his cowardly betrayal. He knew the enemies are coming into power in Washington, and bowed down without a fight in his 2nd term.

      • EarlyBird

        AZ,
        So Dispatch Internationl and Pajama Media, both right wing outlets, tells you this is a bad deal, and therefore it’s a bad deal? You’re being propagandized. Try other input and try to make up your own mind.

        And remember, the entire reason the lunatic right is against this deal is because it may avoid their preferred war against Iran.

        • A Z

          I just mentioned two outlets. One was a Nordic one,because the left incessantly talks about how great the Nordic countries are and how the socialists finally got it right.

          Regardless of the outlet one can figure out what is happening.Sometimes you have to read between the lines as in asking yourself you cannot be mentioned or criticized.

          I read a lot of British papers including the Guardian. for whatever reason they like to sell newsprint with a lot of pictures. these give away the ethnicity, religion and so much more of people American journalists do not identify. American journalists are almost so bad about hiding information there news stories might as well be someone somewhere did something bad to someone. Like with the Knockout Game. It has been going one for 2 or 3 years and only now the MSM is feigning to notice.

          Add “The Blaze”, NewsBusters, Breitbart, and WND to PJ Media. there are are so many more.

          I also follow blogs like Blazing Cat Fur and Vlad Tepes. There is so much reporting on what goes on in regards to Islam that a pouty Katie Couric would not report. Confirmation bias or not people can add up incidents in their head and see trends. What is happening in the Nordic countries is not pretty.

        • defcon 4

          What do you call the muslimes of Iran? Sane?

    • PhillipGaley

      “sitting on land belonging to another people”? As throughout frozen eons of time has been: “To the victor belong the spoils.”, just whose that land was to be, by the victors, was decided in the Conference at San Remo (1923). Accordingly, the Gaza area is wrongfully occupied.

      As in all, if for their track record and nothing else, I’ll bet in Israel, . . . Because Kerry and Obama and Pelosi and Jarrett and their associates prefer to operate in charade and mere invention, I think that, their opinions are not worth much, . . . they are not to be feared, . . .

    • reader

      This is untrue and irrelevant at the same time, i.e., really “progressive.” Of course, Iran attacked other nations – through its proxies such as Hezbollah and a whole host of smaller terrorist operations. On the other hand, by the time of the infamous Munich agreement, Hitler’s Nazi regime hadn’t attacked anybody either. It merely announced its genocidal intentions, and it did it in a much more settled way compared to the way Iranian mullahs do it.

    • glpage

      Jews bought most of what is now Israel from Muslim land holders in the nineteenth century. The Muslims were happy to sell it because they regarded it as being useless. I guess holding deed to land does not make their claim to the land legitimate. Genetic research has been done on many Jews living in Israel and parts of Europe; it showed that their DNA proves a relation to other Semitic peoples in the Middle East, so, those European Jews had ancestors living in Judea way back when. And finally, the Jews held claim to Judea several years, give or take, before Mohammed was a glimmer in his daddy’s eye. They possessed Judea until Mohammed and his followers decided to kill any inhabitants in the general area if they didn’t fall for his lame attempt at religion. The land thieves were the Muslims.

    • Softly Bob

      Israel has never attacked its neighbours.

      • defcon 4

        Don’t let facts get in the way of a really good islamic lie!

    • iluvisrael

      happy eternal nakba piglet!

    • DrMantisToboggan

      what about the attack on the jewish community center in buenos aires in 94? there is plenty of irrefutable proof that the iranian govt was involved. what about supplying weapons to hezbolla to attack israel? just because the assailants don’t rush in screaming “for iran!” at the top of their lungs while carrying iranian flags doesnt mean theyre not sent by iran.

  • Walter Sieruk

    In the New Yor Post 11/25/13 it did exposes some truth about this new “deal” with Iran, On p. 4 it explains that “Obama has decided to appesase the mullahs to buy time at a time they, too wish to buy time- time to prepare to for greater mischiel.” Of course a bettter word then “mischief” whould be the be evil as in to “prepare for greater evil.” Nevertheless the point was made. In thissame atricle on thesame page it also exposed the some ofthe flaws of this “deal.” For it shows that “the militarty base at Parchin where researchers are at work weaponzing the enriched uranium, out of the inspection remit.” ” Furthermore on p. 5 it reads that the ” House Intelligence Commitee Charman Mike Rogers [R-Mich}said the deal 'rewarded very bad and dangerous behavior' by Iran. We have just encourged more violence in the future then we have stopped.'" Moreover "Rep. Peter King[R-Li] charman of the subcommittee on terorism called the bargan a ‘serious stragtegic mistake.” On p. 28 it has a good case then it stated about Obama the “he has come up with a deal that will do nothing to diminish Iran ‘s nuclear ambitions.”

  • A Z

    I have to admit I am depressed. The hits from the Obama Whitehouse and the left keep on coming.

    Amnesty, ENDA, OBama Care, Common Core, the Small Arms Treaty, Project 21 and more are what I expected. It was already enough.

    I did not think that the left would be so stupid or crazy to make a deal like this.

    “After the nuclear deal in Geneva comes war”
    http://www.d-intl.com/2013/11/26/after-the-nuclear-deal-in-geneva-comes-war/?lang=en

    There is a common tactic of the left. they tell the normal people that they are alone and fringe.

    Just read Dispatch international. The American left always wants to point to the Nordic countries as exemplars of where the socialists and communists finally got it right after failing In Russia. China, North Korea, Kampuchea/Cambodia, Cuba, Venezuela, et al.

    The situation there is not pretty and any press room that employed Dan Rather or Katie Couric will not tell you the honest situation.

    Dispatch International is to Denmark/Sweden what FPM is to us in America.
    - EDITORIAL: Journalists are the greatest threat to democracy
    - Members of the master race beat up Swede in broad daylight
    - Ticking bombs at Swedish refugee homes

  • vladimirval

    In the words of Bob Dylan, we’re on the eve of destruction. The government has been practicing for violent enforcement of Obama’s edicts. Remember the armed intrusion of Gibson Guitar Company? It was raided by heavily armed government storm troopers. The company’s employees had guns put to their faces. The raid was as if the company was a terrorist cell. Gibson’s infraction was processing special wood for their guitars. Some thing that has been done for decades. The weird thing is that the wood passed inspection in originating country and ok’d by US customs. Actually our government explained that had the wood been processed before it came to America, that would be ok. In other words it is wrong to hire American workers to do the work. All over the country armed goons have been violating American’s Constitutional rights with armed intrusions into businesses and homes. Local police are encouraged to harass citizens. Business owners are arrested for “loitering” on their own property. People with valid CCW are arrested and their guns confiscated and in many cases not returned even after a judge dismissed all charges. The way things are going, it won’t be long before we see people being hauled off in black vans to FEMA (concentration) camps. Too many Americans cant fathom this happening here. Just remember, the people of Europe were sure that it couldn’t happen to them either. Be wary of these events and do all you can to stop this movement to rob us all of our Constitutional rights.

    • A Z

      “Actually our government explained that had the wood been processed before it came to America, that would be ok. In other words it is wrong to hire American workers to do the work.”

      The left is so despicable.

    • Fritz

      Where are these FEMA camps that people keep talking about? I hear a lot of tin foil hat talk about FEMA camps but nobody seems to produce any evidence. By the way “Eve of Destruction” was Barry McGuire, not Bob Dylan, at least teh hit version was.

      • Gee
        • Cuppa

          You people truly are paranoid freaks.

          • Gee

            So real bills are paranoia – not a chance. Odumba is out to destroy America

          • Fritz

            Have you read through the bill though? These sections in particular, they do not exactly read like an Auschwitz or Dachau:

            A site designated as a national emergency center
            shall be—
            (1)

            capable of meeting
            for an extended period of time the housing, health, transportation, education,
            public works, humanitarian and other transition needs of a large number of
            individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster;
            (2)

            environmentally
            safe and shall not pose a health risk to individuals who may use the
            center;

            (7)

            easily accessible
            at all times and be able to facilitate handicapped and medical facilities,
            including during an emergency or major disaster

          • ziggy zoggy

            That describes every prison in the country, you $hitstain.

          • defcon 4

            Yeah and islam is really a religion of peace ain’t it Fuqwad Al Taqiyya?

      • The March Hare

        Written by P.F. Slone and recorded first by The Turtles and then by Barry McGuire. Slone played lead guitar on McGuire’s recording. Dylan never recorded it.

      • ziggy zoggy

        The photos are all over the web……….as you know full well.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Dylan sang the lyrics “eve of destruction” in the song “The times, they are a changing,” or whatever it was called. Dumb@ss.

  • 2wotvet

    If Iran really wanted to ‘wipe Israel off the map’, it would have done so decades ago without nuclear weapons. Why would they risk their ultimate plan to destroy Israel to something as obvious and fragile as a nuclear weapons program, which could have been destroyed any second by America or Israel? How could the Mullahs have possibly known that a Muslim would end up as POTUS at a time when the West was just starting to take the threat of Islam seriously again? It was a huge gamble. Why would the Mullahs take such a huge gamble to fulfill Islam’s first and most important commandment? It would have been easier for Iran to devote all of their resources to crashing planes into Israeli buildings or finance Al Qaeda to unleash a chemical or biological attack in Israel.

    • defcon 4

      Maybe some muslimes still harbor small doubts in allah’s great plan, or maybe some of them aren’t interested in allah’s virgin rewards points deal.

    • Drakken

      Because if Iran did a full frontal attack on Israel, every city in Iran would burn.

      • defcon 4

        Like others have written, but would the mad mullahs and asinine ayatollahs care?

  • southwood

    Mr.Thornton, in an otherwise decent article you expose a geo-political ignorance in your use of the terms “England” and “English”. The United Kingdom is the title of my country. It is comprised of FOUR nations: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. England has not been a sovereign nation for over 300 years.

  • defcon 4

    I know some lieberal democraps that took the step of not voting at all in the 2012 election — and so here we all are now.

  • Cuppa

    You people have called more things a “Munich” or appeasement than can be counted. Quit it. It’s very silly.

    • Gee

      Because you are in favor of appeasing Fascists? No I don’t think so

    • Drakken

      You really do lick windows on the shortbus don’t you? So shhhh boy, the adults are talking.

      • Cuppa

        Then why are you still babbling? Munich!!!11 could be your new Benghazi!!!11

        • Drakken

          Give the ragheads an inch, they will take a mile and your arm to go with it. I really do enjoy suicidal future Darwin Award winners, it makes for cheap entertainment and fun to watch as reality bites them.

          • Cuppa

            Munichazi!!!11 Aiyeeeee

    • defcon 4

      And islam is really a religion of peace isn’t it Bacha Bazi boy?

      • Cuppa

        The neo-con war mongering chicken hawks certainly aren’t about peace. Their answer to everything is WAR!!!. As long as they and their families don’t have to fight it.

        • reader

          Really? Do you even realize that Obama placed US troops in more places – hostile ones – than Bush did. Keep droning on with bumper sticker one-liners and make sure to dress up in pink. That’d not be silly at all.

          • Cuppa

            Bush started two land wars. Completely invaded two countries. No one but neo con lunatics advocate that crap anymore.

          • reader

            No, actually, muslims started their jihad – long before 9-11, by the way. And no matter how long pinky morons repeat “War is not the answer” mantra, muslims are still going to be at war slitting their throats.

          • Cuppa

            Then change your shorts, crawl back under the bed and leave the rest of the world alone.

          • reader

            You’re so dumb that you don’t even understand the point of it all. What Obama did by lifting the sanctions is exactly what makes the all-out war more likely, not less. Not only because Israelis are concerned, but because the Saudies Arabs are concerned even more, since they are weaker militarily. Hence the Munich reference. But morons like you educated on Dr. Spock’s pothead pseudo-science aren’t capable of connecting the dots, even when one chews it up and feeds them with a tea spoon.

          • Cuppa

            Under the bed, it’s calling you. Scary people are all around you. They’re coming to git ya! Hide!!!

          • reader

            Err. You’re stuck. Can anybody whack it over its head to make sure it does not collapse of exhaustion repeating its meaningless drivel?

          • defcon 4

            Defending islam0nazism kinda requires a suspension of belief in things like reason, democracy, freedom and equality.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Upya,

            Harmless islamopithecine terrorists murdered fifteen people yesterday. We’ll see how much White meat they try to carve up today.

            And what do you have against beds, blumpkin boy?

          • Cuppa

            Boo! If you don’t have enough room while hiding under your bed, may I suggest an underground bunker? For the truly insane paranoid freak, nothing else will do.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Upya,

            Islamic terrorists commemorated Thanksgiving by murdering ten people, but I’m sure they were all paranoiacs looking for a big bed to hide under.

            You wouldn’t say “$hit” if you had a mouthful.

          • Cuppa

            Umm, Thanksgiving is an American holiday. No one was commemorating it elsewhere nor do they even know about it.

            Who are you terrified of today? I heard those Belgians are a scary lot. They’re probably coming to get you too. It must be so hard to be terrified of everything.

          • defcon 4

            This past Eid featured a thousand people being killed by muslimes. How holey is that abdullah?

          • Cuppa

            There coming for you next, Sparky! They’re coming for yoooouuuu!!! Be afraid as that’s what you do best.

          • defcon 4

            Remember to wipe your bunghole w/an odd number of stones, after all, it’s prophet recommended and prophet approved.

          • Cuppa

            What are you babbling about?

          • Drakken

            Need a tissue Sparky? Or are you going to wet the bed because mommy didn’t tell you how special you are today? Maybe she will give you a cookie.

          • Cuppa

            Boo!!! Radical Eskimos are coming to get ya! Run!!! Run!!!! I’ve heard they’ve teamed up with Martian Muslims to put you in sooper sekret undergound FEMA camps. Aiyeeee!!!!!!

          • Drakken

            War in the end solves all things if fought right and is the final arbitrator of all things diplomatic.

          • Cuppa

            It doesn’t. That was a truly bizarre thing to say.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Upya,

            Obangi widened the war to include Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, etc. I guess somebody out there still likes killing people.

            Bltch.

          • Cuppa

            How many land wars / invasions? None? OK then.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Upya,

            Irrelevant, just like you. Imperial Japan never launched a land war/invasion of America, so by your idiotic argument it never launched a war against America. And oh, yeah, Seal Team Six invaded Pakistan.

        • Drakken

          Your too much the coward and aren’t fit to lick the combat boots a veteran or active duty military personnel.

          • Cuppa

            Yet you love the neo-cons who never served but are always so eager to send other people to war. Ironic or hypocritical?

          • reader

            Baseless assertions coming from a troll who loves commies. Usual modus operandi. Go back to huffpo, or dailykos, or whatever garbage compactor you came from, trolly.

          • Cuppa

            Baseless? All the main neocons ARE chicken hawks. How is that baseless?

          • reader

            You have the list of the “main neocons” with their bios? Granted, “main neocons” part being total rubbish, the MAIN part is that the troll doesn’t deny its commie leanings. Commies and nazies are dancing hand in hand again – just like in 1939.

          • Cuppa

            Communists and Nazis were enemies. Communists were one of the first groups rounded up by the Nazis. History is interesting. Read some.

            Richard “Five Deferments” Cheney.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Upya,

            So now Obama’s a chicken hawk? For once your assigned talking point is correct. That girlyman has never been in a fight and never will be. Doesn’t stop him from sending drones to wipe out entire villages, though.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Upya,

            So now Obama is a neocon? I think you meant neoCOM, you stupid troll.

  • EarlyBird

    Right wing hardliner Fear Mongering, Propaganda and Deceit 101:

    First, declare that anything short of immediate and sustained war against an enemy constitutes appeasement and capitulation. Always refer to Munich and Chamberlain. (Note Horowitz has two tweets which refer to Hitler, Munich and Chamberlain. He knows how stupid his audience is and how to push their buttons.) Forget that the Munich agreement gave Germany, a major power, immediate control of much of another nation in exchange for it not taking that control by force. Whereas, in 2013 we’re talking about a minor power and its “rights” to develop nuclear capabilities within its own borders.

    Secondly, declare that the agreement is a failure because it didn’t eliminate that enemy with a magic wand. In other words, declare it is a failure BECAUSE it is diplomacy, not war:

    “Nothing in the agreement guarantees that Iran will fulfill its promises…”
    No kidding, Thornton. There are no “guarantees.” That’s why the inspectors will be allowed in, to verify, and to be able to react of Iran isn’t playing ball.
    “…or that inspectors will be allowed access to all of Iran’s enrichment facilities, let alone its secret sites, or that serious consequences will follow violations of the terms of the agreement.”

    Why does this hysterical idiot assume nothing would happen if Iran violated the agreement, because it is not written in that “Should Iran violate the agreement, the US and Israel will immediate wage war on Iran”? Duh. But we know at the very least those economic sanctions, which so brutalized Iran’s economy that the mullahs can to the bargaining table, would be reinstituted.
    Iran is giving up a lot for very little. Of course they could cynically be playing the West. That is to be seen. They could also be changing course. There is always a risk in diplomacy and negotiations. What the paranoid idiots on this board don’t understand is that the risks of war are even greater.

    “The agreement does nothing to force Iran to come clean on, let alone dismantle, all its weapons facilities, or to reverse Iran’s capacity to enrich uranium––indeed, it is arguably a de facto recognition of Iran’s right to do so.”
    Correct. It does not require Iran to immediately dismantle and eliminate ANY and ALL nuclear capabilities, but to convert their weapons-grade uranium to energy-grade uranium, and to stop processing uranium at weapons-grade percentages. People understand that.

    Normal people understand that Thornton’s (and Netanyahu’s) demands were laughable in the context of diplomacy and were merely demands that Iran completely and totally capitulate or face war. He is either deranged or dishonest.

    And that’s what it all boils down to: ANY agreement with Iran would be unnaccetable to Bibi, Horowitz, and all the Israel Firsters, radical Zionists, right wing fasicsts and reactionaries in this circle, because it delays or derails their preferred Fantasy War which ends the mullahs’ reign and results in the entire Middle East converting to Christianity or Judaism and singing Star Spangled Banner.

    Pathetic fools.

    • Drakken

      You really don’t know what your talking about do you? The sanctions are lifted, and only a few inspections of places the Iranians will let the inspectors go will be allowed, you effing libtards really are suicidal. In case it has escaped your wishful thinking and peace in out time, war is now all but inevitable.

      • EarlyBird

        You’re a paranoid idiot.

        • defcon 4

          Yes because Iran is really, cough, cough, a tolerant, liberal democracy that recognizes freedom of speech, freedom of religion and equality for all?

    • Gee

      So that is why their military nuclear site is not on the list for inspection right?

      Oh yeah and this is AFTER Iran violated dozens of agreements before

    • reader

      It’s amazing that a moron who can’t even remember the content of the discussion on this very topic he had taken part in dares to call other people fools. Well, the worst fool is the one who thinks that he’s the smartest human alive. For the 10th time try to remember a simple fact: Hitler would NOT have invaded Czechoslovakia had the allies refused to allow him to. There were several documented testimonies contending this very fact, including that by Keitel made at Nuremberg.

      • EarlyBird

        “For the 10th time try to remember a simple fact: Hitler would NOT have invaded Czechoslovakia had the allies refused to allow him to.”
        Um…yes they would have. The Munich Agreement was merely a poorly veiled attempt by Britain to save face against the inevitable: Hitler was going to get the Sudentenland either by walking in under the cover of that agreement, or by force. The Allies were not able to put up any kind of meaningful defense against Hitler until well into ’43, with the exception of the waves of Russians Stalin through at him in the Eastern Front, and Stalin certainly was not going to turn against his nominal ally, Hitler, to save Czechoslovakia.

        And talk about missing the point: it’s not always ’38 or ’39. Not every enemy is Hitler. Not every agreement is Munich. Not every attempt at diplomacy is capitulation. Pull your head out.

        • reader

          Perhaps, instead of pouring nonsense, it would help to construct an elementary time line. You see, before there was the year 1940, there had been the year 1939 (Molotov-Ribbetrop Pact). And, of course, before the year 1939, there had been 1938 (Munich). You are an exact replica of the character from a popular Russian joke in a day: chukcha is not a reader, chukcha is a writer. It would be a bitch for you to read transcripts of Nuremberg Trial, would it? Too much factual info for a marxist drone.

    • defcon 4

      How many times has the leadership of the Iranian “republic” threatened to “erase Israel from the pages of history” again Farshad? Or is it part of the daily screed in the mosques of Iranistan?

      • EarlyBird

        Countless times. That doesn’t mean the mullahs are irrational and suicidal. They do not want to exchange nukes with Israel. And if you come back with something about the 5th Imam, I’ll barf.

        • reader

          Obviously, Hitler had been suicidal. That was his plan all alone. You are so moronic, it’s mind boggling.

          • EarlyBird

            What a ridiculous response.

          • reader

            Yeah, it may be a challenge for you to get it. Chew on it through the weekend, Dr. Spock’s product.

          • justquitnow

            Hitler wasn’t suicidal. He had detailed plans to make Berlin the capital of the world when his conquests were done.

          • reader

            Ok, so what about the mullahs, genius?

        • defcon 4

          The 5th imam is dead, it’s the 12th imam that’s living down that well. BTW, if you have a problem w/the 12th imam, why don’t you try bringing it up, publicly, in Tehran?

        • Drakken

          Well why don’t you go there since you love them so much an sing all the kumbaya you want and have love ins with them. Let’s see how that works out for you.

        • ziggy zoggy

          The “mullahs” absolutely are irrational and suicidal. They think they’re revolutionaries and they want to bring about their insane little Islamic prophecy about the end times.

          You should know. You work for them.

  • Felix Keverich

    I stand with Rand Paul on this one, namely I welcome the negotiations between the US and Iran, and hoping for an outcome that is not war.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Felix Feverish,

      What negotiations?

      • defcon 4

        Well, just like w/the Israeli-Paleswinian “peace talks” the negotiations don’t have to be substantive, just entertainingly inane and dramatic.

  • georgejochnowitz

    Speaking of Munich, Arab students in Jerusalem are expressing their pro-Nazi sentiments.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/174532
    Since Israel is a free country, they can demonstrate openly.

  • edgineer

    BO and the Democrats sold the US out again. No missile shield for East Europe, now almost a guarantee that Iran will get the bomb.

  • Ellman48

    That John Kerry would ever become Secretary of State was beyond my wildest dreams. Yet, there he is! The same is true of Hillary Clinton. What a completely irrational and idiotic appointment to be Secretary of State! We have no way of knowing or assessing the extent of the damage that these two unqualified and incompetent individuals have inflicted on this country but it is surely far worse than we can perceive at this moment. If the Propaganda Stream Media reported the truth about the deal with Iran Americans would be in a state of panic, but their primary purpose is to protect and defend their Lord and Master Obama.

    Unfortunately this insanity will not end anytime soon so we have a little over 3 years to keep the country from being destroyed by the progressive agenda. Since the feckless and cowardly Republicans cannot deal with this threat we only have one of three alternatives to avoid submission to tyranny: (1) the grassroots save us, or (2) the 2014 elections do, or (3) God does.

    • Fearful

      1. with that insane a WH, where the hell are your senators? 2. God’s help is usually very unfocused. Like sending plagues.

  • dansama

    Iran will go to war no matter Israel does. As at other times, the cards are really stacked against Israel here. The only question in this war, what strategy puts Israel on top?