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		<title>By: sujeet</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2013 05:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[independence day is always a proud day for any country and for their people. you described very well

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>independence day is always a proud day for any country and for their people. you described very well</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Ludwig</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Ludwig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jul 2013 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You make a lot of sharp observations JoJoJams.  Your last two paragraphs especially show the dangers inherent with the power trippers in government positions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a lot of sharp observations JoJoJams.  Your last two paragraphs especially show the dangers inherent with the power trippers in government positions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Ludwig</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2013 21:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#039;m not saying that a &quot;secularist&quot; can&#039;t be a good citizen. And I&#039;m not saying every secularist is an atheist although I can see how, from my comment, you might think that&#039;s my view. However, if there are not transcendent norms, then mere consensus or &quot;majority rules&quot; will determine the norms of society.  Norms are always being established. How do they get established?  Where do they come from?  I think the norms of &quot;natural law&quot; should govern in general, although even there, there are gray areas.  Judeo-Christian morality should generally be the norm. Where does that morality come from?  It comes from God, not from me or any individual(s).  However, you are right in my opinion in the sense that even with an overarching or transcendent non-secular norm there are going to be variances between those norms and each individual&#039;s conscience, and sometimes it can be very difficult to resolve those (legitimate) differences  at the societal level.  Roger Williams had some of those differences with the Mathers and others leading the Massachusetts Puritans. Of course, here were differences between two non-secularists.  Clearly if their differences could arise, differences between theistic secularists and Christians like myself could and would arise. However, despite summoning as much balance and goodwill as can be mustered, in the last analysis the secularists should step down. [Sometimes in a supervisory role, I have issued directives that have been opposed, and had to discipline those who did not follow those directives. However, later, upon reflection, I determined I was wrong in my original directive and that I would not make that mistake in the future.  In short, even though it was a mistake, it was my mistake to make, and my directive had to be followed. Likewise, the interpreters of God&#039;s will may prove to be wrong, but in the meantime, their views should be followed -- examples being abortion and same-sex marriage.]  Thanks for your comments though.  It seems you found a couple of my remarks insulting, and I&#039;m sorry about that. It was never my intention.  Rather, I appreciated the chance to engage with a person of obvious good will with whom I differ.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m not saying that a &#8220;secularist&#8221; can&#8217;t be a good citizen. And I&#8217;m not saying every secularist is an atheist although I can see how, from my comment, you might think that&#8217;s my view. However, if there are not transcendent norms, then mere consensus or &#8220;majority rules&#8221; will determine the norms of society.  Norms are always being established. How do they get established?  Where do they come from?  I think the norms of &#8220;natural law&#8221; should govern in general, although even there, there are gray areas.  Judeo-Christian morality should generally be the norm. Where does that morality come from?  It comes from God, not from me or any individual(s).  However, you are right in my opinion in the sense that even with an overarching or transcendent non-secular norm there are going to be variances between those norms and each individual&#8217;s conscience, and sometimes it can be very difficult to resolve those (legitimate) differences  at the societal level.  Roger Williams had some of those differences with the Mathers and others leading the Massachusetts Puritans. Of course, here were differences between two non-secularists.  Clearly if their differences could arise, differences between theistic secularists and Christians like myself could and would arise. However, despite summoning as much balance and goodwill as can be mustered, in the last analysis the secularists should step down. [Sometimes in a supervisory role, I have issued directives that have been opposed, and had to discipline those who did not follow those directives. However, later, upon reflection, I determined I was wrong in my original directive and that I would not make that mistake in the future.  In short, even though it was a mistake, it was my mistake to make, and my directive had to be followed. Likewise, the interpreters of God's will may prove to be wrong, but in the meantime, their views should be followed -- examples being abortion and same-sex marriage.]  Thanks for your comments though.  It seems you found a couple of my remarks insulting, and I&#8217;m sorry about that. It was never my intention.  Rather, I appreciated the chance to engage with a person of obvious good will with whom I differ.</p>
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		<title>By: JoJoJams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JoJoJams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2013 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He wasn&#039;t espousing a theocratic regime, but the removing of any 
influence of religion whatsoever from the public sphere.  Like demanding
 creches not be allowed on public grounds, or saying &quot;Merry Christmas&quot;. 
 He&#039;s talking about the removal and pushing religion (which, in this 
nation, is 90% Christian) completely out of the public sphere.  Clearly,
 the &quot;wall of separation of church and state&quot; was only meant to keep the
 government from imposing it&#039;s ways on the churches (which is what is 
starting to happen now....) and the churches &quot;ruling&quot; over us.  
Surprisingly, for all the fear of those that worry of a &quot;theocracy&quot; in 
America, for 200 years of Christian religious expression in this nation,
 no one EVER tried to impose a theocracy.  That doesn&#039;t mean we didn&#039;t 
have laws regarding societies behavior, based on religious views, but we
 definitely haven&#039;t had a theocracy.  

Sadly, what we have now is
 a secular government (and many on &quot;the left&quot;) all too willing to impose
 THEIR &quot;beliefs&quot; regarding the size of the soda you drink, whether or 
not you can protect your family (gun control laws) etc.  As stated by 
Jeff, no matter a belief is &quot;religious&quot; or secular, those in power still
 try to control and regulate moral behavior - or, at least, what is 
&quot;moral&quot; for the time....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He wasn&#8217;t espousing a theocratic regime, but the removing of any<br />
influence of religion whatsoever from the public sphere.  Like demanding<br />
 creches not be allowed on public grounds, or saying &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221;.<br />
 He&#8217;s talking about the removal and pushing religion (which, in this<br />
nation, is 90% Christian) completely out of the public sphere.  Clearly,<br />
 the &#8220;wall of separation of church and state&#8221; was only meant to keep the<br />
 government from imposing it&#8217;s ways on the churches (which is what is<br />
starting to happen now&#8230;.) and the churches &#8220;ruling&#8221; over us.<br />
Surprisingly, for all the fear of those that worry of a &#8220;theocracy&#8221; in<br />
America, for 200 years of Christian religious expression in this nation,<br />
 no one EVER tried to impose a theocracy.  That doesn&#8217;t mean we didn&#8217;t<br />
have laws regarding societies behavior, based on religious views, but we<br />
 definitely haven&#8217;t had a theocracy.  </p>
<p>Sadly, what we have now is<br />
 a secular government (and many on &#8220;the left&#8221;) all too willing to impose<br />
 THEIR &#8220;beliefs&#8221; regarding the size of the soda you drink, whether or<br />
not you can protect your family (gun control laws) etc.  As stated by<br />
Jeff, no matter a belief is &#8220;religious&#8221; or secular, those in power still<br />
 try to control and regulate moral behavior &#8211; or, at least, what is<br />
&#8220;moral&#8221; for the time&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Canuck</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Canuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2013 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I specifically quoted the section that I was troubled by... and it most definitely is in the article.  He&#039;s railing against secular society.  Secularism is one of the things that makes America great.  And it&#039;s worth remembering that &#039;secular&#039; doesn&#039;t mean &#039;atheist&#039;.  It also doesn&#039;t mean rampant hedonism or indulgence.

He doesn&#039;t have to reference Christianity explicitly but it&#039;s clear where his sentiments lie.  However, substituting any religion  you have the same problem.  He does explicitly oppose secular social institutions which is exactly what the founding fathers prescribed.

With freedom comes responsibility?  Yes of course.  That&#039;s a truism.

Who&#039;s to define what&#039;s unacceptably impulsive?  Apparently you. You don&#039;t suggest it, you don&#039;t claim that Polybius is imposing it but you say that you would.


Also, your understanding of forbearance is incorrect.  Forbearance just means temperance and restraint. You&#039;re claiming it&#039;s there to stop bullying and vendettas which are entirely different forms of behavior.  It doesn&#039;t follow.


I will agree to temper my own passions and exercise restraint in the way my behavior may affect others... can you agree to not appoint yourself the moral authority who decides what is to be restrained?  Orthodox or otherwise?  


Freedom is the most precious thing we have and you must make a case for how something affects you before you advocate to prescribe the behavior of others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I specifically quoted the section that I was troubled by&#8230; and it most definitely is in the article.  He&#8217;s railing against secular society.  Secularism is one of the things that makes America great.  And it&#8217;s worth remembering that &#8216;secular&#8217; doesn&#8217;t mean &#8216;atheist&#8217;.  It also doesn&#8217;t mean rampant hedonism or indulgence.</p>
<p>He doesn&#8217;t have to reference Christianity explicitly but it&#8217;s clear where his sentiments lie.  However, substituting any religion  you have the same problem.  He does explicitly oppose secular social institutions which is exactly what the founding fathers prescribed.</p>
<p>With freedom comes responsibility?  Yes of course.  That&#8217;s a truism.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s to define what&#8217;s unacceptably impulsive?  Apparently you. You don&#8217;t suggest it, you don&#8217;t claim that Polybius is imposing it but you say that you would.</p>
<p>Also, your understanding of forbearance is incorrect.  Forbearance just means temperance and restraint. You&#8217;re claiming it&#8217;s there to stop bullying and vendettas which are entirely different forms of behavior.  It doesn&#8217;t follow.</p>
<p>I will agree to temper my own passions and exercise restraint in the way my behavior may affect others&#8230; can you agree to not appoint yourself the moral authority who decides what is to be restrained?  Orthodox or otherwise?  </p>
<p>Freedom is the most precious thing we have and you must make a case for how something affects you before you advocate to prescribe the behavior of others.</p>
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		<title>By: popseal</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2013 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I encountered leftist professors at college.  They dominated the College of Education at the University of New Orleans (then LSUNO) and were training future school teachers.   Assaulting America&#039;s traditions was their stock in trade.  That was in 1970.   We now are experiencing the success of their nefarious work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I encountered leftist professors at college.  They dominated the College of Education at the University of New Orleans (then LSUNO) and were training future school teachers.   Assaulting America&#8217;s traditions was their stock in trade.  That was in 1970.   We now are experiencing the success of their nefarious work.</p>
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		<title>By: edgineer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[edgineer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2013 01:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People would pay more attention if someone would point out that progressive and communist are not all that different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People would pay more attention if someone would point out that progressive and communist are not all that different.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Ludwig</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Ludwig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2013 01:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you are reading too much into this article.  There&#039;s no mention of Christianity.  You&#039;re too worried about somebody imposing a theocracy or &quot;their values&quot; on you.  The one thing you might think about is that values are being &quot;imposed&quot; on all of us all the time.  Philosophies of pragmatism, utilitarianism, and instrumentalism have become part of our cultural fabric, so to some extent all of us, even orthodox Christians subscribe to these philosophies.  Polybius and the article&#039;s author  are not writing about imposing prudent behavior, forbearance and restraint on anyone.  However I would. Why? Because these values are the proper antidotes for rampant impulsive behavior (opposite of prudence), insults, bullying, and vendettas (opposites of forbearance), and wanton acting out (the opposite of self-restraint and norms requiring self-control, i.e.&quot;if it feels good do it&quot;).  Stop worrying about Christian orthodoxy so much Canuck. It&#039;s not in the article, but it a healthy dose of this orthodoxy would certainly help you and all of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are reading too much into this article.  There&#8217;s no mention of Christianity.  You&#8217;re too worried about somebody imposing a theocracy or &#8220;their values&#8221; on you.  The one thing you might think about is that values are being &#8220;imposed&#8221; on all of us all the time.  Philosophies of pragmatism, utilitarianism, and instrumentalism have become part of our cultural fabric, so to some extent all of us, even orthodox Christians subscribe to these philosophies.  Polybius and the article&#8217;s author  are not writing about imposing prudent behavior, forbearance and restraint on anyone.  However I would. Why? Because these values are the proper antidotes for rampant impulsive behavior (opposite of prudence), insults, bullying, and vendettas (opposites of forbearance), and wanton acting out (the opposite of self-restraint and norms requiring self-control, i.e.&#8221;if it feels good do it&#8221;).  Stop worrying about Christian orthodoxy so much Canuck. It&#8217;s not in the article, but it a healthy dose of this orthodoxy would certainly help you and all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Canuck</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Canuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jul 2013 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s where I have a problem with this article:

&quot;The first step in this process in our time has been secularization, the driving of religion from the public square and the reduction of it to a private lifestyle choice. In this way the moral order sanctioned by “nature’s God” and the “Supreme Judge of the world,” as the Declaration describes the divine order, that enforced limits on license and self-indulgence can be marginalized and bereft of its power to sanction destructive behavior, leaving the state as the only authority for regulating people’s lives.&quot;

He is just another zealot pushing an agenda of desecularization and trying to subject people to control by religious authority.

By invoking ideals from Plato and other ancients and conflating them with the original intent of the founding fathers he muddies the water and tries to make a case for a faith based civic authority.

He needs to remember that the First Amendment stipulates that there is no state religion, regardless of the source of man&#039;s inherent rights.  Secondly, the Declaration of Independence also makes it clear what men are endowed with by their creator:   &quot;Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness&quot;  not &quot;Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness subject to the religious ideals and personal determination of prescribed virtues envisaged by those those invoking Christian values who are better able to make those judgements&quot;.

I&#039;m all for prudent behavior, forbearance and restraint.  But they are for me to decide.  What is wrong with having religion as a personal and private lifestyle choice?  The state is indeed the only authority that is supposed to regulate people&#039;s lives in America... and only as prescribed by the Constitution  - not somebody else&#039;s notions of what Christian orthodoxy permit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s where I have a problem with this article:</p>
<p>&#8220;The first step in this process in our time has been secularization, the driving of religion from the public square and the reduction of it to a private lifestyle choice. In this way the moral order sanctioned by “nature’s God” and the “Supreme Judge of the world,” as the Declaration describes the divine order, that enforced limits on license and self-indulgence can be marginalized and bereft of its power to sanction destructive behavior, leaving the state as the only authority for regulating people’s lives.&#8221;</p>
<p>He is just another zealot pushing an agenda of desecularization and trying to subject people to control by religious authority.</p>
<p>By invoking ideals from Plato and other ancients and conflating them with the original intent of the founding fathers he muddies the water and tries to make a case for a faith based civic authority.</p>
<p>He needs to remember that the First Amendment stipulates that there is no state religion, regardless of the source of man&#8217;s inherent rights.  Secondly, the Declaration of Independence also makes it clear what men are endowed with by their creator:   &#8220;Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness&#8221;  not &#8220;Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness subject to the religious ideals and personal determination of prescribed virtues envisaged by those those invoking Christian values who are better able to make those judgements&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for prudent behavior, forbearance and restraint.  But they are for me to decide.  What is wrong with having religion as a personal and private lifestyle choice?  The state is indeed the only authority that is supposed to regulate people&#8217;s lives in America&#8230; and only as prescribed by the Constitution  &#8211; not somebody else&#8217;s notions of what Christian orthodoxy permit.</p>
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		<title>By: herb benty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[herb benty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jul 2013 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[God bless you. Marx said America would be destroyed from within and they now control the U.S.A. government. I know that I will never look at that typical, &quot;marxist professor&quot; that preaches at any local school, college or university. It must have started with the idiotic &quot;intellectuals&quot;. Imagine, a tenured, benefit loaded, 6-figure educator indoctrinating our children into communism, innoculating them against common sense, etc. It&#039;s hard to imagine how ungrateful, stupid and evil Education has become! Boys wanting to use the girls bathroom because they think they might really be a girl and furiously backed up by &quot;educators&quot;, is a snippet to show their work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God bless you. Marx said America would be destroyed from within and they now control the U.S.A. government. I know that I will never look at that typical, &#8220;marxist professor&#8221; that preaches at any local school, college or university. It must have started with the idiotic &#8220;intellectuals&#8221;. Imagine, a tenured, benefit loaded, 6-figure educator indoctrinating our children into communism, innoculating them against common sense, etc. It&#8217;s hard to imagine how ungrateful, stupid and evil Education has become! Boys wanting to use the girls bathroom because they think they might really be a girl and furiously backed up by &#8220;educators&#8221;, is a snippet to show their work.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Ludwig</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Ludwig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jul 2013 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow...this is most wise and pertinent article. The author shows us how far we have strayed from the Hellenistic roots of our civilization. Even those roots emphasized virtue and not only freedom without license, but a citizenry that is autonomous and not dependent on the redistributions of the state. It might be useful to add that the Hebraic and Christian roots of our civilization added to these classical concepts by going beyond the mere &quot;nots&quot; of not engaging in license and not depending upon tyrants for our economic well-being, but shows us that virtue and independence is increased by dependence upon a forgiving, wise, compassionate, and just GOD. So if our present path was warned against by some of the great Greek thinkers like Polybius, how much more should we be warned when this Greek stream is merged with the streams of Judeo-Christian values, and a relationship with Christ Jesus?  We are  really wallowing in the mud now. We are filthy in our own manure. Culture -- filled with narcissism and vulgarities of every type -- is polluted.  Our politics both reflects this decline and furthers this decline. May God have mercy on us all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;this is most wise and pertinent article. The author shows us how far we have strayed from the Hellenistic roots of our civilization. Even those roots emphasized virtue and not only freedom without license, but a citizenry that is autonomous and not dependent on the redistributions of the state. It might be useful to add that the Hebraic and Christian roots of our civilization added to these classical concepts by going beyond the mere &#8220;nots&#8221; of not engaging in license and not depending upon tyrants for our economic well-being, but shows us that virtue and independence is increased by dependence upon a forgiving, wise, compassionate, and just GOD. So if our present path was warned against by some of the great Greek thinkers like Polybius, how much more should we be warned when this Greek stream is merged with the streams of Judeo-Christian values, and a relationship with Christ Jesus?  We are  really wallowing in the mud now. We are filthy in our own manure. Culture &#8212; filled with narcissism and vulgarities of every type &#8212; is polluted.  Our politics both reflects this decline and furthers this decline. May God have mercy on us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Curry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Curry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jul 2013 15:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems as though no one ever truly learns the lessons of history, no matter how much they are studied.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems as though no one ever truly learns the lessons of history, no matter how much they are studied.</p>
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		<title>By: Arnoldr</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jul 2013 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed, our fireworks celebrations, where they are permitted, have become just entertainment. Does anyone think of the tremendous sacrifices the founders made; their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to provide us liberty? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, our fireworks celebrations, where they are permitted, have become just entertainment. Does anyone think of the tremendous sacrifices the founders made; their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to provide us liberty? </p>
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		<title>By: BS61</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/bruce-thornton/the-lost-meaning-of-independence-day/comment-page-1/#comment-5240205</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As everyone wished me a happy 4th, I wished everyone a happy Independence day with hope that they will remember what that means!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As everyone wished me a happy 4th, I wished everyone a happy Independence day with hope that they will remember what that means!</p>
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		<title>By: CurmudgyOne</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jul 2013 12:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article nicely describes the reasons why We The People should make a concerted effort, in the 2014 elections, to REMOVE EVERY INCUMBENT in every elected office who is running. Only this extreme action would put the Fear Of The People back into these politicians. Sure, some good ones (2, 3?) would be kicked out, but the overall effect would be to wake them all up. 


We, The People, still have the power, if we will simply use it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article nicely describes the reasons why We The People should make a concerted effort, in the 2014 elections, to REMOVE EVERY INCUMBENT in every elected office who is running. Only this extreme action would put the Fear Of The People back into these politicians. Sure, some good ones (2, 3?) would be kicked out, but the overall effect would be to wake them all up. </p>
<p>We, The People, still have the power, if we will simply use it!</p>
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		<title>By: The Dead Critic</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jul 2013 11:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NEVER in my life would I ever have guessed that a sitting president would take the 4th of July celebrations away from military installations, so he could basically finance his 100 million dollar personal expense accounts. 


The Grinch that stole the 4th of July. What a English Kings stooge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NEVER in my life would I ever have guessed that a sitting president would take the 4th of July celebrations away from military installations, so he could basically finance his 100 million dollar personal expense accounts. </p>
<p>The Grinch that stole the 4th of July. What a English Kings stooge.</p>
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