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		<title>By: NeoPublius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NeoPublius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Oct 2013 09:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great analysis of House of Representative&#039;s powers...and Founding Father&#039;s intent. But found your conclusion odd???? True, House has power to originate appropriation Bills, SO? The Senate has the Constitutional authority to Amend the Bill! In short, w/o both chambers agreeing on the FINAL substance of the Bill...it goes no where. Not to mention that the President has the Constitutional authority to veto the Bill. House can override his veto with 2/3rds majority - but w/o these other two Constitutional realities, your conclusion is meaningless - just as the House&#039;s Approprition Bills are dead on arrival. If you want to get rid of the ACA, then, as the Constitutional athletes that you and your party claim to be...get control of the Senate and 2/3rds of the House, or start accepting reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analysis of House of Representative&#8217;s powers&#8230;and Founding Father&#8217;s intent. But found your conclusion odd???? True, House has power to originate appropriation Bills, SO? The Senate has the Constitutional authority to Amend the Bill! In short, w/o both chambers agreeing on the FINAL substance of the Bill&#8230;it goes no where. Not to mention that the President has the Constitutional authority to veto the Bill. House can override his veto with 2/3rds majority &#8211; but w/o these other two Constitutional realities, your conclusion is meaningless &#8211; just as the House&#8217;s Approprition Bills are dead on arrival. If you want to get rid of the ACA, then, as the Constitutional athletes that you and your party claim to be&#8230;get control of the Senate and 2/3rds of the House, or start accepting reality.</p>
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		<title>By: teflonron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[teflonron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2013 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[President Washington mandated insurance by seamen be bought for hospital and medical care. It can be argued, and thoughtfully, that this shows that ACA is Constitutional. So the question would then be why didn&#039;t Washington nor the rest of his contemporaries mandate all Americans buy health insurance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President Washington mandated insurance by seamen be bought for hospital and medical care. It can be argued, and thoughtfully, that this shows that ACA is Constitutional. So the question would then be why didn&#8217;t Washington nor the rest of his contemporaries mandate all Americans buy health insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: mtman2</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Sep 2013 02:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t make an&quot;assertion&quot;, I quoted the &#039;Liar in Chief&#039; his-self! There&#039;s NO misunderstanding on my part . 
&quot;Business&quot;? Will leave the country, shut down or cut back{can&#039;t price themselves out of the market w/out bankruptcy] as has been the case now w/unions+overegs! Ceaseless duplicating, over budget over paid.bureaucracies, the parasites are leaving the economy &#039;bloodless&#039;.
 WE are only stating the obvious. The dying girl(13) relegated to a death sentence by &#039;Ma Barker&#039; Sebelious[said NO] was overruled by a judge and the girl got a set of lungs and is alive and fine now. 
&quot;Single payer&quot; is the quote by every single Lefty Dem, prior to this debacle that&#039;ll never hold water. 
How many wavers now 1,400???? Even some big unions + congress itself was exempted from this socialist snuck through the dead of night[to beat Scott-Brown-R Mass] -Un-affordable Care Act! Like the the big union bosses said &quot;it IS a nightmare&quot;.+&quot;It&#039;s a train wreck&quot;. Other than the Pharma-addicted AMA; real Drs. will bail and none will replace them[maybe Pakistanis]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t make an&#8221;assertion&#8221;, I quoted the &#8216;Liar in Chief&#8217; his-self! There&#8217;s NO misunderstanding on my part .<br />
&#8220;Business&#8221;? Will leave the country, shut down or cut back{can&#8217;t price themselves out of the market w/out bankruptcy] as has been the case now w/unions+overegs! Ceaseless duplicating, over budget over paid.bureaucracies, the parasites are leaving the economy &#8216;bloodless&#8217;.<br />
 WE are only stating the obvious. The dying girl(13) relegated to a death sentence by &#8216;Ma Barker&#8217; Sebelious[said NO] was overruled by a judge and the girl got a set of lungs and is alive and fine now.<br />
&#8220;Single payer&#8221; is the quote by every single Lefty Dem, prior to this debacle that&#8217;ll never hold water.<br />
How many wavers now 1,400???? Even some big unions + congress itself was exempted from this socialist snuck through the dead of night[to beat Scott-Brown-R Mass] -Un-affordable Care Act! Like the the big union bosses said &#8220;it IS a nightmare&#8221;.+&#8221;It&#8217;s a train wreck&#8221;. Other than the Pharma-addicted AMA; real Drs. will bail and none will replace them[maybe Pakistanis]</p>
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		<title>By: catherineinpvb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[catherineinpvb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For a  quick grasp of &#039;Common Core&#039; think of it&#039;s popular referencing per &lt;B&gt;&#039;the Stalinizaton of Education&lt;/b&gt;&#039;.  As well; think of &lt;B&gt;&#039;Marxist&lt;/b&gt; Education and Indoctrination;  arriving at every school in America by way of a  &lt;I&gt;Trojan Horse&lt;/I&gt;  named &#039;Common Core&#039;.  

&lt;I&gt;Know this&lt;/I&gt; as. . .an &lt;I&gt;insidious&lt;/I&gt; effort to deliver an entire &#039;rising generation&#039; of &lt;I&gt;useful idiots&lt;/i&gt;; ready to honor only; their &#039;Dear World Leader&#039;.

For Common Core &#039;prime movers&#039; and it&#039;s inspiration; know too, for starters; Linda Darling-Hammond; &#039;recall&#039; &lt;b&gt;Bill Ayers&lt;/I&gt; and remember again, the omnipresence of George Soros influence ;  and his AGENDA 21.    Google all - in group individually/singly, with &lt;I&gt;Common Core&lt;/I&gt;.

Can start here w/ LDH;  to get idea of this educational evil - that must be resisted and overcome. 
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&lt;b&gt;Linda Darling-Hammond - Common Core
whatiscommoncore.wordpress.com/.../top-ten-scariest-people-in-education-...
Mar 25, 2013 - Top Ten Scariest People in Education Reform Linda Darling-Hammond Countdown # 6 This is the fourth in a countdown series of introductions, ...&lt;/b&gt;
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 Another Marxist / Alynsky MO in place here per strategy of &#039;overwhelm the system&#039;; so that while Parents and concerned (and fearful) citizens are exhausted from Obama, Inc. &#039;Change&#039; - and &lt;I&gt;sleeping&lt;/I&gt; - the thievery of &lt;b&gt;Common Core&lt;/I&gt; is creeping -  now leaping - into your child&#039;s classroom. .  .so as to steal America away from it&#039;s children - and their future.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a  quick grasp of &#8216;Common Core&#8217; think of it&#8217;s popular referencing per <b>&#8216;the Stalinizaton of Education</b>&#8216;.  As well; think of <b>&#8216;Marxist</b> Education and Indoctrination;  arriving at every school in America by way of a  <i>Trojan Horse</i>  named &#8216;Common Core&#8217;.  </p>
<p><i>Know this</i> as. . .an <i>insidious</i> effort to deliver an entire &#8216;rising generation&#8217; of <i>useful idiots</i>; ready to honor only; their &#8216;Dear World Leader&#8217;.</p>
<p>For Common Core &#8216;prime movers&#8217; and it&#8217;s inspiration; know too, for starters; Linda Darling-Hammond; &#8216;recall&#8217; <b>Bill Ayers and remember again, the omnipresence of George Soros influence ;  and his AGENDA 21.    Google all &#8211; in group individually/singly, with <i>Common Core</i>.</p>
<p>Can start here w/ LDH;  to get idea of this educational evil &#8211; that must be resisted and overcome.<br />
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</b><b>Linda Darling-Hammond &#8211; Common Core<br />
whatiscommoncore.wordpress.com/&#8230;/top-ten-scariest-people-in-education-&#8230;<br />
Mar 25, 2013 &#8211; Top Ten Scariest People in Education Reform Linda Darling-Hammond Countdown # 6 This is the fourth in a countdown series of introductions, &#8230;</b><br />
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 Another Marxist / Alynsky MO in place here per strategy of &#8216;overwhelm the system&#8217;; so that while Parents and concerned (and fearful) citizens are exhausted from Obama, Inc. &#8216;Change&#8217; &#8211; and <i>sleeping</i> &#8211; the thievery of <b>Common Core is creeping &#8211;  now leaping &#8211; into your child&#8217;s classroom. .  .so as to steal America away from it&#8217;s children &#8211; and their future.<br />
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		<title>By: Guy Fromage</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guy Fromage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You dodge the issue the same way Hussein dodges higher taxation, when he refers to it as a &quot;contribution.&quot;  Both you and he evade the reality of the &lt;b&gt;force&lt;/b&gt; involved.


But feel free to caste about by using other moot analogies, when the car insurance one peters out.  Just as one &lt;b&gt;voluntarily&lt;/b&gt; owns and operates a car, one may also &lt;b&gt;voluntarily&lt;/b&gt; secure a mortgage, which sensibly stipulates insurance to protect the lender&#039;s stake.


I suppose one may claim that people &quot;voluntarily&quot; live, that is, until the Death Panel makes its decision, but it&#039;s odd that supposed liberals would argue that a person should be taxed simply to exist, which is, in essence, what you are arguing for.


And no, not all conservatives were for mandates.  That&#039;s a bald-faced lie, and you know it.  It was an idea floated by a conservative organization at one time, and ultimately abandoned, and rightly so.  There&#039;s no need to wonder why: it&#039;s a bad idea.  The Heritage Foundation is a great organization, but it&#039;s not perfect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You dodge the issue the same way Hussein dodges higher taxation, when he refers to it as a &#8220;contribution.&#8221;  Both you and he evade the reality of the <b>force</b> involved.</p>
<p>But feel free to caste about by using other moot analogies, when the car insurance one peters out.  Just as one <b>voluntarily</b> owns and operates a car, one may also <b>voluntarily</b> secure a mortgage, which sensibly stipulates insurance to protect the lender&#8217;s stake.</p>
<p>I suppose one may claim that people &#8220;voluntarily&#8221; live, that is, until the Death Panel makes its decision, but it&#8217;s odd that supposed liberals would argue that a person should be taxed simply to exist, which is, in essence, what you are arguing for.</p>
<p>And no, not all conservatives were for mandates.  That&#8217;s a bald-faced lie, and you know it.  It was an idea floated by a conservative organization at one time, and ultimately abandoned, and rightly so.  There&#8217;s no need to wonder why: it&#8217;s a bad idea.  The Heritage Foundation is a great organization, but it&#8217;s not perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: WW4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WW4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know--it&#039;s rough, having everyone responsible for their insurance. Why, it&#039;s positively totalitarian! It&#039;s almost like having to pay taxes or insure your property!


It does amuse me how you guys dodge and rationalize the main point: conservatives were ALL FOR mandates and exchanges--until democrats were. Then, as you say, it was &quot;abandoned.&quot; Gee, wonder why.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know&#8211;it&#8217;s rough, having everyone responsible for their insurance. Why, it&#8217;s positively totalitarian! It&#8217;s almost like having to pay taxes or insure your property!</p>
<p>It does amuse me how you guys dodge and rationalize the main point: conservatives were ALL FOR mandates and exchanges&#8211;until democrats were. Then, as you say, it was &#8220;abandoned.&#8221; Gee, wonder why.</p>
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		<title>By: WW4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WW4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s funny--there&#039;s not huge outcry in those comparable nations. They don&#039;t face bankruptcy when they contract a serious disease. But we are &quot;free&quot; to do so--even while insured and working full-time.


Back up your assertions about the ACA. Your complete misunderstanding (&quot;death panels&quot;) shows you&#039;ve been reading propaganda. What Palin was really talking about? Your insurance would pay for end-of-life planning consultation with your physician. There&#039;s your &quot;death panel.&quot; If you know something about it, it saves a lot of cost and grief to bereaved families. It&#039;s something a lot of insurance does NOT cover currently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny&#8211;there&#8217;s not huge outcry in those comparable nations. They don&#8217;t face bankruptcy when they contract a serious disease. But we are &#8220;free&#8221; to do so&#8211;even while insured and working full-time.</p>
<p>Back up your assertions about the ACA. Your complete misunderstanding (&#8220;death panels&#8221;) shows you&#8217;ve been reading propaganda. What Palin was really talking about? Your insurance would pay for end-of-life planning consultation with your physician. There&#8217;s your &#8220;death panel.&#8221; If you know something about it, it saves a lot of cost and grief to bereaved families. It&#8217;s something a lot of insurance does NOT cover currently.</p>
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		<title>By: WW4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WW4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please explain how these choices (plural) differ substantively from the &quot;choices&quot; you had before (&quot;Um, I&#039;ll take my employer&#039;s plan&quot;).  As for the non-point of contraceptive availability: Do you realize how many people were part of a plan that paid for contraception, something they had no problem with until AFTER it became a partisan issue? (Contraception, btw, is an issue primarily for Catholics--something like 95% of whom avail themselves of contraception) Partisan b.s.


You guys are ideologically bankrupt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please explain how these choices (plural) differ substantively from the &#8220;choices&#8221; you had before (&#8220;Um, I&#8217;ll take my employer&#8217;s plan&#8221;).  As for the non-point of contraceptive availability: Do you realize how many people were part of a plan that paid for contraception, something they had no problem with until AFTER it became a partisan issue? (Contraception, btw, is an issue primarily for Catholics&#8211;something like 95% of whom avail themselves of contraception) Partisan b.s.</p>
<p>You guys are ideologically bankrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: WW4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WW4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, &quot;enough!&quot;--you won&#039;t deal with any of my points. But you do repeat the talking points you&#039;ve read elsewhere very well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, &#8220;enough!&#8221;&#8211;you won&#8217;t deal with any of my points. But you do repeat the talking points you&#8217;ve read elsewhere very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Fromage</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guy Fromage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was excepted, because the government &lt;b&gt;forced&lt;/b&gt; businesses and employees into a corner.  We see this phenomenon again with 0bamacare forcing employers to drop coverage for the family members of their employees, in order to retain some semblance of their previous health care (cue echos of the 0bama&#039;s lie that you will be able to keep your doctor).


The two plans were very different.  One was a pamphlet.  The other, 4x the size of the Bible.  Discussion of the Heritage Plan is a red herring, anyway, because it was abandoned, and rightly so.  Any plan &lt;b&gt;forcing&lt;/b&gt; the purchase of a good or service, or paying a penalty, is not only wrong, it is evil.


The penalty is directly akin to the Jizya non-muslims are made to pay, in order to be permitted to live under muslim hegemony.  Meanwhile, the regime passes out indulgences (they&#039;re called waivers, now) to political cronies (and conveniently, themselves), exempting the powerful and politically connected.  I&#039;ve even read that muslim may apply for exemptions, which would bring the analogy full circle!


The difference between individual mandate vis-a-vis cars and your own person is absolutely correct.  When you take on a privilege such as operating a motor vehicle, you agree to the rules associated with its use.  Drive without insurance, and eventually your license, and perhaps your car, will be taken away.


Now, refuse to pay the Jizya of the individual mandate.  What will the government take away from you, then?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was excepted, because the government <b>forced</b> businesses and employees into a corner.  We see this phenomenon again with 0bamacare forcing employers to drop coverage for the family members of their employees, in order to retain some semblance of their previous health care (cue echos of the 0bama&#8217;s lie that you will be able to keep your doctor).</p>
<p>The two plans were very different.  One was a pamphlet.  The other, 4x the size of the Bible.  Discussion of the Heritage Plan is a red herring, anyway, because it was abandoned, and rightly so.  Any plan <b>forcing</b> the purchase of a good or service, or paying a penalty, is not only wrong, it is evil.</p>
<p>The penalty is directly akin to the Jizya non-muslims are made to pay, in order to be permitted to live under muslim hegemony.  Meanwhile, the regime passes out indulgences (they&#8217;re called waivers, now) to political cronies (and conveniently, themselves), exempting the powerful and politically connected.  I&#8217;ve even read that muslim may apply for exemptions, which would bring the analogy full circle!</p>
<p>The difference between individual mandate vis-a-vis cars and your own person is absolutely correct.  When you take on a privilege such as operating a motor vehicle, you agree to the rules associated with its use.  Drive without insurance, and eventually your license, and perhaps your car, will be taken away.</p>
<p>Now, refuse to pay the Jizya of the individual mandate.  What will the government take away from you, then?</p>
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		<title>By: Smoking Hamster</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smoking Hamster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 03:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, we have third party payer with no price controls. You get the best quality care in the world but very high prices. They have third party payer with price controls. Lower prices but much worse care. The US has some of the best cancer survival rates because people don&#039;t have to wait for rationed care. We also have the highest life expectancy if you remove accidents and homicides from the data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, we have third party payer with no price controls. You get the best quality care in the world but very high prices. They have third party payer with price controls. Lower prices but much worse care. The US has some of the best cancer survival rates because people don&#8217;t have to wait for rationed care. We also have the highest life expectancy if you remove accidents and homicides from the data.</p>
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		<title>By: Smoking Hamster</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smoking Hamster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly, ideology is more important than birth location.

Bibi has a much more Judeo-Christian, American perspective on things than Obama does by far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, ideology is more important than birth location.</p>
<p>Bibi has a much more Judeo-Christian, American perspective on things than Obama does by far.</p>
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		<title>By: Smoking Hamster</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smoking Hamster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have choices, but only the choices we prescribe for you.

It is like the provision that you have a choice of violating your conscience by paying for birth control now or waiting a year before you have to throw your religious principles in the trash.

None of the choices you totalitarians give us is acceptable. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have choices, but only the choices we prescribe for you.</p>
<p>It is like the provision that you have a choice of violating your conscience by paying for birth control now or waiting a year before you have to throw your religious principles in the trash.</p>
<p>None of the choices you totalitarians give us is acceptable. </p>
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		<title>By: mtman2</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[O&#039;bacare is by it&#039;s own wording legally[supposedly]will require all information of individuals lives to be gathered[by Drs.+medical people]to be put in a central govmint data banks. ALL personnel info! Even with the right to come into homes for details of lifestyles.
As BHO himself said &quot;Sometimes the pain pill will be &#039;chosen&#039; for you instead of &#039;treatment&#039;.....that will be determined by unelected, unaccountable appointed boards to decide who gets or doesn&#039;t get what,  to what extent [&quot;death-panels&quot;]. &#039;Single payer&#039; IS the ultimate form this downhill slide will end up in by ALL those who promote it. This is not American but IS &#039;big-brother&#039; overseers with three distinct classes citizens. Elite ruling class with underling worker class and the rest subjects told what, where + how to live their lives. Liberty/Christianity will not even allowed to be spoken of or in ANY written form! Farenheight-411, George Orwell/1984, Animal Farm, Soilent-Green, Alexander Soltzenitsyn/The Inner Circle, Georgi Vins/persecution, UK/Canadian style &#039;health-care&#039; die before any treatment or where patients lay dead in the hallways for days. That&#039;s scratching the surface for starters....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O&#8217;bacare is by it&#8217;s own wording legally[supposedly]will require all information of individuals lives to be gathered[by Drs.+medical people]to be put in a central govmint data banks. ALL personnel info! Even with the right to come into homes for details of lifestyles.<br />
As BHO himself said &#8220;Sometimes the pain pill will be &#8216;chosen&#8217; for you instead of &#8216;treatment&#8217;&#8230;..that will be determined by unelected, unaccountable appointed boards to decide who gets or doesn&#8217;t get what,  to what extent ["death-panels"]. &#8216;Single payer&#8217; IS the ultimate form this downhill slide will end up in by ALL those who promote it. This is not American but IS &#8216;big-brother&#8217; overseers with three distinct classes citizens. Elite ruling class with underling worker class and the rest subjects told what, where + how to live their lives. Liberty/Christianity will not even allowed to be spoken of or in ANY written form! Farenheight-411, George Orwell/1984, Animal Farm, Soilent-Green, Alexander Soltzenitsyn/The Inner Circle, Georgi Vins/persecution, UK/Canadian style &#8216;health-care&#8217; die before any treatment or where patients lay dead in the hallways for days. That&#8217;s scratching the surface for starters&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: James Keir Baughman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Keir Baughman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, my friend. But, the words &quot;dangerous&quot; and &quot;incompetent&quot; may be the under statements of the century.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, my friend. But, the words &#8220;dangerous&#8221; and &#8220;incompetent&#8221; may be the under statements of the century.</p>
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		<title>By: James Keir Baughman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Keir Baughman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this very clear interpretation. It is just as I as I have always believed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this very clear interpretation. It is just as I as I have always believed.</p>
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		<title>By: Lanna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lanna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enough......If this bill was so adequate then why has SEIU, McDonalds corporation, CIGNA, United Federal Teachers Welfare Fund,  The Wilkes Group which does business with Ashley furniture, many other in the last year,  and now Richard Trumpka and other unions want out because it destroys the 40 hour work week. We are all equal under the law, so how are people chosen to be exempted, the exemptions are given on a partisan basis...this is such a farce and Unconstitutional, don&#039;t waste my time trying to explain partisan selections of favorite people, corporations and groups, who don&#039;t have to buy this crappy Law!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough&#8230;&#8230;If this bill was so adequate then why has SEIU, McDonalds corporation, CIGNA, United Federal Teachers Welfare Fund,  The Wilkes Group which does business with Ashley furniture, many other in the last year,  and now Richard Trumpka and other unions want out because it destroys the 40 hour work week. We are all equal under the law, so how are people chosen to be exempted, the exemptions are given on a partisan basis&#8230;this is such a farce and Unconstitutional, don&#8217;t waste my time trying to explain partisan selections of favorite people, corporations and groups, who don&#8217;t have to buy this crappy Law!</p>
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		<title>By: nomoretraitors</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nomoretraitors]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Their founding fathers must be Marx, Lenin and Mao]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their founding fathers must be Marx, Lenin and Mao</p>
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		<title>By: WW4</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I notice you don&#039;t address anything pointedly or directly but you do prefer broad, overly dramatic statements. And I have to wonder why you feel you need to make excuses for all the Republicans who favored the mandate. From what you&#039;re writing you don&#039;t sound like you know much about it. I have to wonder: where do you think the insurance industry was headed? Do you imagine they were not rationing care and dictating what doctors to see and what procedures? If so, I have some bridge property to sell you...


I have been to several events from the local chambers of commerce and the hospitals on Obamacare. These events were filled with health care providers, businesspeople, and lots of insurance agents. I wouldn&#039;t say the atmosphere was thrilled--but it was hopeful and frank. The ONLY doom and gloom came from a few of the older insurance agents--and why not? Their business is changing drastically. And there are a few of us who are concerned about the immediate effect on smaller businesses. I don&#039;t think the ACA goes far enough to address the big problem: COSTS. But it makes a dent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice you don&#8217;t address anything pointedly or directly but you do prefer broad, overly dramatic statements. And I have to wonder why you feel you need to make excuses for all the Republicans who favored the mandate. From what you&#8217;re writing you don&#8217;t sound like you know much about it. I have to wonder: where do you think the insurance industry was headed? Do you imagine they were not rationing care and dictating what doctors to see and what procedures? If so, I have some bridge property to sell you&#8230;</p>
<p>I have been to several events from the local chambers of commerce and the hospitals on Obamacare. These events were filled with health care providers, businesspeople, and lots of insurance agents. I wouldn&#8217;t say the atmosphere was thrilled&#8211;but it was hopeful and frank. The ONLY doom and gloom came from a few of the older insurance agents&#8211;and why not? Their business is changing drastically. And there are a few of us who are concerned about the immediate effect on smaller businesses. I don&#8217;t think the ACA goes far enough to address the big problem: COSTS. But it makes a dent.</p>
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		<title>By: Lanna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lanna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Republicans are for choices to cross state lines to buy private healthcare insurance, allow us to keep our own doctors, and providers. They are not robbing the American people and trying to Trash the Constitution, to pay for a Socialist agenda to control 1/3 of the economy and destroy jobs and patient doctor relationship..Quit lying, we work with administrators in hospitals who say this law is a total disaster for good health for all people, it limits services and denies immediate treatment, heart by pass surgery, hip replacements, and other vital treatments that require immediate action to save the patients life. They are also trying not to raise the debt limit with out of control spending!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republicans are for choices to cross state lines to buy private healthcare insurance, allow us to keep our own doctors, and providers. They are not robbing the American people and trying to Trash the Constitution, to pay for a Socialist agenda to control 1/3 of the economy and destroy jobs and patient doctor relationship..Quit lying, we work with administrators in hospitals who say this law is a total disaster for good health for all people, it limits services and denies immediate treatment, heart by pass surgery, hip replacements, and other vital treatments that require immediate action to save the patients life. They are also trying not to raise the debt limit with out of control spending!</p>
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