Bye-Bye London

In an interview with Haaretz in November 2010, British novelist Martin Amis said the following about discussions of Israel in his motherland:

I live in a mildly anti-Semitic country, and Europe is mildly anti-Semitic, and they hold Israel to a higher moral standard than its neighbors. If you bring up Israel in a public meeting in England, the whole atmosphere changes. The standard left-wing person never feels more comfortable than when attacking Israel. Because they are the only foreigners you can attack. Everyone else is protected by having dark skin, or colonial history, or something. But you can attack Israel. And the atmosphere becomes very unpleasant. It is traditional, snobbish, British anti-Semitism combined with present-day circumstances.

After participating last week in a debate in London about Israeli communities beyond the 1949 armistice lines organized by the self-consciously pretentious Intelligence Squared debating society, I can now say from personal experience that Amis is correct. The public atmosphere in England regarding Israel is ugly and violent.

The resolution we debated read: “Israel is destroying itself with its settlement policy. If settlement expansion continues Israel will have no future.”

My debating partner was Danny Dayan, the outgoing head of the Yesha Council.

We debated Daniel Levy, one of the founders of J-Street and the drafter of the Geneva Initiative, and the son of Lord Michael Levy, one of Tony Blair’s biggest fundraisers; and William Sieghart, a British philanthropist who runs a non-profit that among other things, champions Hamas. Levy has publicly stated that Israel’s creation was immoral. And Sieghart has a past record of saying that Israel’s delegitimization would be a salutary proces and calling for a complete cultural boycott of Israel while lauding Hamas.

We lost overwhelmingly. I think the final vote tally was something like 500 for the resolution and 100 against it.

A couple of impressions I took away from the experience: First, I can say without hesitation that I hope never to return to Britain. I actually don’t see any point. Jews are targeted by massive anti-Semitism of both the social and physical varieties. Why would anyone Jewish want to live there?

As to visiting as an Israeli, again, I just don’t see the point. The discourse is owned by anti-Israel voices. They don’t make arguments to spur thought, but to end it, by appealing to people’s passions.

For instance, in one particularly ugly segment, Levy made the scurrilous accusation that Israel systematically steals land from the Palestinians. Both Dayan and I demanded that he provide just one example of his charge. And the audience raged against us for our temerity at insisting that he provide substantiation for his baseless allegation. In the event, he failed to substantiate his allegation.

At another point, I was asked how I defend the Nazi state of Israel. When I responded by among other things giving the Nazi pedigree of the Palestinian nationalist movement founded by Nazi agent Haj Amin el Husseini and currently led by Holocaust denier Mahmoud Abbas, the crowd angrily shouted me down.

I want to note that the audience was made up of upper crust, wealthy British people, not unwashed rabble rousers. And yet they behaved in many respects like a mob when presented with pro-Israel positions.

I honestly don’t know whether there are policy implications that arise from my experience in London last week. I have for a long time been of the opinion that Israel shouldn’t bother to try to win over Europe because the Europeans have multiple reasons for always being anti-Israel and none of them have anything to do with anything that Israel does. As I discuss in my book, these reasons include anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism, addiction to Arab oil, and growing Muslim populations in Europe.

I was prepared to conduct a civilized debate based on facts and reasoned argumentation. I expected it to be a difficult experience. I was not expecting to be greeted by a well-dressed mob. My pessimism about Europeans’ capacity to avail themselves to reasoned, fact-based argumentation about Israel has only deepened from the experience.

One positive note, I had a breakfast discussion last Wednesday morning with activists from the Zionist Federation of Britain. The people I met are committed, warm, hardworking Zionists. I wish them all the best, and mainly that means, that I hope that these wonderful people and their families make aliyah.

While their work is worthwhile, there is no future for Jews in England.

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  • Margo

    Let us face facts. In 1938 there were 10 million Jews in Europe, USSR included. In 1945, not even a million. Europe has never been able to tolerate her Jewish population. Europe has never been able to renounce her irrational and murderous fear of Judaism and Jewish presence and will align herself with the extreme right as in 1940s or now the extreme left to become "Judenrein." Young Jews should emigrate – the uS, Canada, Australia, Israel etc. Europe "Judenrein" is bound for dhimmitude, mediocrity and misery. The Jihadists will in the medium term enact their program of "After the Saturday people, we will get the Sunday people." Even if Europe somehow wakes up and starts to react, it will never be a safe haven for Jews

    • Mr. Polly

      "Young Jews should emigrate – the uS, Canada, Australia, Israel etc."
      Israel only, please.

      • Andy Lewis

        Not your call.


        Polly want a Nakba?


      Except for the Czech Republic, SCREW EURABIA!

    • ADM

      I think part of the reason for so many Europeans embracing anti-Israeli views is that it lets them off the hook, to the degree that they were responsible, for their role in the Holocaust. If the Holocaust were simply an immoral slaughter based on nothing more than anti-Semitism, and people stood aside or turned their heads, then they are profoundly guilty. But, if the Jews can somehow be portrayed as having it coming, then it becomes a different matter. So, many Europeans are intensely motivated to see Israel in the worst possible terms because, if it is an evil, immoral, land-stealing and so forth state, than in some respect the Jews are not innocent victims and Europeans' own anti-Semitism – in speech and action – can somehow be rationalized. Otherwise, Europeans have to look in the mirror and face a few home truths, which few would want to do.

    • Questions

      Where did you get those population figures? The European Jewish population, for obvious reasons, fell from 12 million to 6 million during that 1938-45 time frame.

    • TimN

      They're welcome here. Personally I've always admired the Jewish people and their many contributions to America. From science to business to civil rights to literature and art, and to serving in our armed forces Jews have always been great contributors.
      I regularly read the Arab news and they're always whining about how the Jews control American media blah blah blah.and bamboozle the dumb Americans with evil Jewish propaganda. Apparently they think that we're biased against Muslims because of Jewish manipulation.

      Actually it's the track record.
      Jewish contributions: cultural, financial, spiritual, scientific and moral.
      Muslim contributions ummm …. 9/11, megamosques, Fort Hood, self pity and a loud "We're muslims first and Americans second" chip on the shoulder belligerence.

      • Ghostwriter

        I second much of what TimN says.

      • merlettah

        Sadly Tim, with the overwhelming tide and outspoken leftism that has (in my opinion) swept our media and Federal gov't (this J-Street POS as an example) this prevailing anti-semitic European sentiment is being brought here with rapidity. I've seen it, felt it and feel it within my own supremely 'tolerant' artist community in NYC. As a jew I have begun to fear for the future of all Jews even in my own country.

  • AdinaK

    It is patently obvious that history is repeating itself. Europe is, once again, the epicenter of anti-semitism.

    The fact that UK leaders (with Eurabia countries in tow) castigate Israeli "settlements", all the while Islamists explode around its borders – inside too – bespeaks their anti-semitic animus. In any case, there is no future for Jews in England, as well as most Euro Arab-centric countries.

    The fact that they have turned into socialist basket cases makes it even more risky for Jews. The twinning of socialism and Nazism, regarding Jews, has always been misunderstood. It must be exposed for what it is –

    The far right and far light conjoined in their hatred. In tandem, the red/green alliance imperils Jews/Israel to the nth degree.

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel –

    • UraFecalLiberal

      I live in Panama, having retired in the USA. Conservative Jews need to bail out of Europe and America. South America is much more conducive to the Conservative Jew who wants peace, acceptance and to be left alone. I have never heard of antisemitism here. Jews here are never publicly trying to subvert a capitalistic, free market economy, or attack the strong presence and influence of religion. I see many Jews here with children, yarmulkes, and living quiet lives. This country likes people who come here to add to the economy and social progress.

      Unlike Eurabia and Britainistain, the Latin culture of pride, music, family, faith, and traditions here is strong. I encourage Conservative Jews and Christians to check this place out.

    • Drakken

      The far right in Britain are the ones standing with the jews, the far left wants them dead. Nationalism is starting to awake from it's slumber and it's wrath against those of the left/progressive/muslims will be a sight to behold once again.

    • JacksonPearson

      It won't matter much if they're Jews or whoever else but Muslim, unless Europeans regain their balance, and self pride of who they were, they'll all end being halal food. And that's no joke!

  • AdinaK

    It is patently obvious that history is repeating itself. Europe is, once again, the epicenter of anti-semitism. Socialism is baring its Nazi fangs –

    and the conjoining of the red/green alliance makes it even more incendiary.

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel

    • Drakken

      Again Adina, it is the left that wants your blood, the right are embracing you, but you can't see it, nazis no, nationalism yes.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    "For instance, in one particularly ugly segment, Levy made the scurrilous accusation that Israel systematically steals land from the Palestinians. Both Dayan and I demanded that he provide just one example of his charge. And the audience raged against us for our temerity at insisting that he provide substantiation for his baseless allegation. In the event, he failed to substantiate his allegation."

    Been there a thousand times.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    England is an industrialized nation, not a civilized one. Caroline experienced the distinctions.

  • ziontruth

    "The discourse is owned by anti-Israel voices."

    Exactly so. Judge, jury and executioners are all rigged against the Jewish nation and its rights to the homeland on the Land of Israel. All the downward slide in Israel's PR can be traced to this.

    There is no solution but for the Jewish State to unrig this game by force—make the Marxist-owned, Islam-sympathizing worldwide media outlets cease and desist with their anti-Zionist line and also begin a pro-Israel line as atonement for decades of abuse. The leaders of the Jewish State have to realize this, and they need to know "Pretty please with sugar on top" won't change things, nor will "name and shame." Only threats will do. Only the Jewish State carrying out its duty of enforcing the Jewish nation's rights on both ideological and physical battlefields.

    As traditional, non-treasonous Americans have learned from the past elections, the media is the enemy; its power must not be underestimated in our day and age. As for freedom of speech, it's not a suicide pact.


      ziontruth AKBAR!

      • ziontruth

        Hi Ed! What's shakin', man? :)

    • Mr. Polly

      Exactly what kind of Jewish threats and violence against people in the media are you proposing? Tell us ALL about it.

      • kafir4life

        Polly wanna cracker? Have you ever noticed how those moon god worshippers seem to enjoy acting like their pedophilic false prophet mohamat the pig faced dog? Whenever I hear about muslims killing muslims for honor, for being the wrong type of muslim or not being muslim enough, it makes me giggle-snort! Remember that woman in california that was honored by her husband, then her daughter pretended (badly) that some islamophobe honored her instead? Giggle-snort.
        If each and every muslim killed just one defective muslim a day (it's up to the muslim to determine the defectiveness of another given muslim…..allah the moon god says so, and mohamat the pedophile agrees), much of the worlds problems will be gone within a month. And a giggle-snort will descend upon the land.

        allahu snackbar to ya polly! allahu snackbar!

      • ziontruth

        "Exactly what kind of Jewish threats and violence against people in the media are you proposing?"

        They're going to have to spend a lot of money on office renovation unless they toe Israel's line. And don't tell me I'm making illegal suggestions, it's perfectly legal for a nation-state (as opposed to an individual) to secure its interests by means of force. In the case of the Jewish State vis-a-vis the worldwide media, it's long overdue. The media must pay for their treachery of carrying water for Islamic imperialism under the guise of "news reporting."


          The BBC is guilty of being Islamisms dhimmi towel boy.


        Happy Eternal Nakba Polly!!

      • Lan Astaslem

        go crawl back into your hole you Jew hating slug

    • The Watchman

      Israel is the Jewish homeland and it should not cave in to the evil demands of the Arabs or the un which is nearly 50%islamic.

  • AnOrdinaryMan

    If you can't tell the truth, anything goes;and the "Sunday people" are definitely next. The British have no brains, no common sense, no tolerance, and no manners–pigs.

    • SIlver Gonzalez

      add to that: no silver, little gold

      it shall be a joyous event watching the fish and chip gang lose all morality once their currency begins to fall to 0.00.

      A pound of something brown and stinky

    • Charles Areson

      First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people – Only the Friday people left to take control.

  • continuum

    Europeans have always been racists and will remain one. The strange thing is I have found in my experience the French love muslims from Algeria etc. I am sure this rule applies to Europeans in general. They feel they are closer to them…no wonder muslimes are having a good time raping little white girls and running prostitution rings and Europeans think muslims are wonderful family oriented people…

    • PhillipGaley

      Quite so, . . . I would say that, so very many Europeans put forth multiple reasons for being always anti-Israel, . . . and none of them have anything to do with tenable cause founded in reason, . . .

    • PDK

      I believe liberals fail to mature. One area they fail in is cowardice/courage. They fail to overcome their fears and therefore behave cowardly as opposed to couragously.

      This is the very quality Islamic terrorism targets. The Islamics are obviously achieving succes with our white liberals, themselves the cancer of the white race. Thank you.

    • Drakken

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but Europeans in general, despise muslims no matter where they come from. There is a current of discontent underneath the surface and it is only a matter of time when it surfaces and wreaks unholy hell upon the muslims. The Serbs and Croats were overtly vicious, the rest of Europe is covert in their hostility towards the muslim colonizers, once pandora's box of nationalism is opened up, you will see the muslim world tremble.

      • Dr.R. Clavan

        I am soooo hoping you are right. I can't wait for the day we muzzie haters all unite and kill the cockroaches. It will come down to us or them and I will do everything in my power to let that be 'us'.

      • nina

        I doubt it very much. Europe is too spoiled and too weak to unleash anything that could have bad consequences for them. The only state they can target their gall at with impunity, is Israel. Israel isn't going to put bombs in their subways.

  • meme22

    Just look at the picture…can you show me any blond, blue eyed person in that crowd?! I see only dark skin and eyes in there and that told me everything!

  • Paul Bartron

    Thus is just the beginning of a back lash against all things foreign, by the British. Jews and Israel are just the tip of the iceberg. If you go back to the Crusades the 1st thing the Crusaders did was slaughter the Jews in their own country. It is foolish to think that the British hate Israel because they love the moslems because they don’t. They hate the moslems also, just look at the English Defense League. the way things are going it is bound to lead to another Holocaust or Crusade. Cristal Night can and will occur again. Not just against Jews but against Moslems as well. All of Hitler’s cabinet except one were former Marxists.

    The “Jewish Question” was an esay written by Karl Marx. The hatred of the Jews came from the left not the right. The left calls the enemy scabs. Since most religions oppose trade unions, religious people are therefore scabs. Remember what Jesus said, “The hatred will be so intense that not a stone will be left upon a stone and not torn down.” Rabbi Lerner said that the National Socialist German Labor Party was a labor movement. Jews don’t listen to Rabbi Lerner or Jesus either. Jesus also said, “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies begin fleeing to the mountains.” “Scribes, Pharisees, Hypocrites! How are you going to escape the judgement Hell!” Zionist Christians have never ever listened to the words of Jesus. So that in the end the Zionist Christians will find themseleves in the same Hell as the Scribes and Pharisees.


      My understanding is that Jews pray to the same G-D that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Moses, King David, King Solomon prayed to – all of whom lived before Jesus. And Jesus was also a Jew.

  • K..

    England is rapidly becoming an Islamist cesspit. It's Muslim population doubles every ten years. It won't be too long before ordinary Englishmen will know how it feels to be an Israeli in the Middle East. Unfortunately, the elite who are the main supporters of Islam and Muslim immigration will be safely tucked away in gated compounds while the working class they despise and have thrown to the wolves will continue to take the brunt of the ongoing Muslim colonization.

    • The Watchman

      Since Islam is satans creation it is an enemy to all people including Muslims .

  • alex altman

    Remember Henry Temple: “Great Britain does not have friends, only interest”. Main interests of the UK: 1. Continue to be a world financial hub, i.e. to suck money (mainly oil money from Muslim world), showing its loyalty to Muslim elite. 2. Secure UK’s energy, i.e. manipulate oil countries, instead the old good colonialism, manageable chaos of, so called, “Arab spring”. 3. Internal stability, i.e. a containment of the local Muslim mobs. English do not get emotional about Jews (they don’t give a …), they see and always considered Israel as a little but very unpleasant stone the left shoe. Stone must probably become bigger than the shoe!

    • The Watchman

      The British lost their empire because they supported the Arabs and oppressed the Jews which God said would happen to any nation that did .

  • Richard

    It's appeasement.
    No more and no less.
    The British are fully aware and absolutely terrified of the reality of Islamic fundamentalist and their aims.
    But they want to pretend that if they deny its existence it will just go away.
    Israel predicament – a modern advanced democracy and industrialized nation under siege from Islamic lunatics – upsets their comforting delusions and forces them to take at look at a growing radical Muslim problem in their own society.
    European have gone to sleep since they abandoned their cruel empires, apologized to one another for centuries of and have tried to remake Europe as an oasis of freedom and social justice and peace.
    What they have tried to pretend does not exist is a chaotic world outside of the frontiers of the EU.
    The best analogy is the Masque of the Red Death by Edgar Allen Poe when the revelers in the masquerade ball waiting out the plague ravaging the land confront the figure dressed as the Red Death and discover too late that it is the Red Death itself and all succumb and die.
    What can you do when you tell the passengers on an unsinkable ship that you have struck an iceberg and they refuse to believe you? You get out and save yourself!

    • Scott

      Richard – I wish deeply that I could believe that the left's demonization of Israel was, as you suggest, a rational albeit misguided attempt at appeasement toward what they believe a better end for themselves. Unfortunately though, I believe it is a case of pure leftist actualization and spiritual blindness. Sadly, they actually believe what they are saying is true, and they do not even understand, nor are they able to explain their deep seated hatred for the Jewish people or the Jewish Nation.

  • Richard

    Many British I believe foolishly compare the Israel-Palestine conflict with the Northern Ireland conflict.
    In this comparison the Palestinians are compared to the Irish Catholic minority who want a unified Ireland fully independent from Britain, the British see themselves as Israeli and the Northern Irish Protestants who consider themselves British and want maintain the Union with Britain are seen as the Jewish settlers in the West Bank.
    Most British do not care less about Northern Ireland remaining the UK. They would prefer they could wash their hands of the Protestant Unionists and leave Northern Ireland to unite with the Republic of Ireland.
    The hatred Northern Irish Unionists have of being a minority in an overwhelmingly Catholic united Ireland are dismissed because the Republic of Ireland is a genuinely tolerant society. Ireland does not wish to attack or annex any British mainland territory.
    Anyone who knows anything about the nature of Palestinian Arab nationalists or Palestinian Islamic fundamentalists is that they do not seek to just have a unified West Bank and Gaza Strip.
    They seek the territory of all of what is now Israel and the expulsion or murder of all Jewish Israelis.
    The British refuse to see the difference and insist that the Israelis follow a similar path that they took in Northern Ireland and are perplexed and enraged when Israelis refuse to play ball.
    The British insist on trying to square the round hole.

    • "gunner"

      i don't recall the title, but there was a book published in the mid '60s on the fictional premise that israel lost, i believe, the six day war. the book describes the aftermath, as the arab nations squabble over dividing the spoils. the "palestinians" are pushed to the side, told to shut up, and ignored, ending in the realization that they have been once more screwed by their muslin arab "brothers". is israel is destroyed i predict that book would become prophecy. there would be no "palestine", only new provinces of arab states, exploited into ruin, with the "palestinians" left to wander in their own diaspora.

    • The Watchman

      The British had a day of prayer asking God for deliverance from the German nazi war machine which God granted by causing hitler to delay the invasion.This gave the uk enough time to rearm and resist the nazi's.Instead of protecting The Jews after the miracle of answered prayer the UK sided with the Arabs and prevented the Jew from fleeing Europe to Israel so they could be assured of oil drilling licences in Arab nations.The UK lost its empire and because of its continued oppression of Israel the are now losing their own nation to Arab Islamists.

  • Miranda Rose Smith

    "The Nazi state of Israel?" Is that like "The Bastard King of England?" Do thse people really believe that Nazi Germany was a place that had made suicidal concessions for peace, a place with the rule of law, where a former President was convicted of rape, a place with a free press and a rambunctious pacifist movement? A place where minorities enjoyed full civil rights? When people compare the Israelis to the Nazis, it's the most blatant example of projection since the Roman catapult.

    The Moslems in Britain are getting more numerous and more chutzpadik every day. WHEN the Moslems demand that Saint Paul's be converted to a mosque, WHEN they demand that sharia law be introduced into the English court system, WHEN they come for these people, come for their families, come for their property, WHEN they demand that people like Levy and Sieghart live as dhimmis, if they're allowed to live at all, people like Levy and Sieghart will get no sympathy from me.

    • Miranda Rose Smith

      If this website can't handle the title of a famous old song, it can't handle me. A word good enough for Shakespeare and Kipling is good enough for you guys. Good by.

      • Mary Sue

        it's automated censoring of dirty words, the computer does not know it's part of a title of a song.

        • Miranda Rose Smith

          Dear Mary Sue: What's dirty about Alexander Hamilton, Leonardo Da Vinci and more than half of Dickens's fiction?

          • Mary Sue

            auto censor cannot distinguish any of those things. It goes based on letter combinations.

      • "gunner"

        "he was wild and wooly and full of fleas. and his horrible tool hung down to his knees, god save the (censored) king of england…"

        one of my favourite drinking songs, along with "gentleman rankers".

        "to the legion of the lost ones, to the cohort of the dammed, to our brethren in their sorrow overseas…"

        • Miranda Rose Smith

          Dear "gunner:" Both my parents, may they rest in peace, loved that song.

    • Michael in USA

      When people compare the Israelis to the Nazis, it's the most blatant example of projection since the Roman catapult. …

      You summed it up.

      • Miranda Rose Smith

        Dear Michael: Thanks.


      The Crescent Moon and the Swastika are partners in crime and fascism.

      1941 The Grand Mufti meets Hitler

  • JerryJ26

    Israel is bad huh? If israel were to disappear the every Gazan would be left starving in the dark.

    • ffortnightly

      So quit feeding them. It's how I used to get rid of unwanted roommates!

    • Gabrielle

      If Israel were to disappear tomorrow, the Muslim and the liberal anti-Semite would still hate Jews wherever they are.

      "Arabs don’t hate Jews because of Israel; they hate Israel because of the Jews” — Thanks, Pat Condell

  • Keith Breedlove

    The way things are going in Europe, Israel will last longer as a distinct, recognizable culture than will most of the states of Europe. If dhimm-wits is a word, it’s they who are leading the aculturation of Europe.

    • Andy Lewis

      Phuque off and die, Nazi filth.

      • Mary Sue

        aw man how bad was it? I missed out on seeing it!


        WW2 Victory in Europe Day: Beaten Nazis Sign Historic Surrender (1945)

        That's national socialist nazi filth SURRENDERING, UNCONDITIONALLY.

        I expect the sand nazis to surrender too, to Jews.

    • Drakken

      Europe my friend is going to turn nationalist very quickly, then you will see what happens to uppity muslims and leftist.

  • stern

    Unfortunately for Israel, Obama has outsourced the "peace process" to the EU and people who share the sentiments of Caroline's mob. Except extreme pressure and some semi-legalistic attempt to create a Palestinian "state" on all of Judea and Samaria, with its "capital" in the eastern suburbs of Jerusalem. Things are only going to get worse …

    • ziontruth

      "Unfortunately for Israel, Obama has outsourced the 'peace process' to the EU and people who share the sentiments of Caroline's mob."

      This may actually work to Israel's advantage. Unlike with America, there is no concept of any indebtedness, of any kind, of Israel to European Union. Even Israel's current spineless leadership is capable of saying no to them.

      • stern

        I hope you're right! What worries me is that they will impose a solution which Abbas will quickly turn to his advantage and go running to the ICC to complain. I know Israel isn't subject to the ICC because she's not a signatory, but it will mean more bad PR.

    • The Watchman

      The Arabs idea of a Palestinian state is one where no Jew is in the whole of Israel.Islam is a creation of satan and since satan hates Jews and Christians he is using the deceived Muslims to try to destroy both groups.

  • Fred

    England is falling to theses savages so who cares anymore. People should get out while they can

    • Drakken

      They should fight, because soon there will be no place to run too? Fight or perish!

      • Mary Sue

        yeah, except England took all the guns away.

  • Ken Kelso

    I saw a good post about the debate.

    I watched the debate online and while I found that the most disgusting comment was made from the floor by some insignificant oik, who compared Israel to the Nazis, I was nevertheless more dismayed by the outright lie which William Sieghart opened his talk with.

    William Sieghart presented the infamous four maps claiming that mandatory Palestine belongs to the Arabs, who nowadays call themselves Palestinians. The first map (essentially a map of Israel) was shown as 100 percent of Palestine before 47. (No mention of Trans Jordan). Jordan was 75% of the British Mandate borders, which the British gave to the Arabs and made sure the country was Jew free. The second map showed the partition proposal. Here again William Sieghart lied when he claimed that the areas not given to Israel under the proposal were “Palestinian land”. He ignored the fact that to become “Palestinian land” the Palestinians had to accept the partition resolution, which they never did. With regards to the third map, again William Sieghart lied by claiming that the land occupied by Jordan and Egypt after 48 was “Palestinian land”, ignoring the fact that through most of that period (48 – 67) there wasn’t any Palestinian authority or any Palestinian organization. The organization that came to be in 1964, the PLO, was only concerned with the land within Israel’s borders and with carrying out terror attacks against Israelis. The fourth map William Sieghart showed was of area A, given to the Palestinian authority through the Oslo agreement. William Sieghart on the other hand claimed that this is all that the Palestinians are left with, having lost (according to him) the whole of Israel. He failed to mention that Area A is the only land that has ever had Palestian sovereignty and is therefore the most land they ever had. This was given to them through a peace agreement with Israel, an agreement that they have continually violated from day one.

    In support of his fiction, William Sieghart showed maps coloured in yellow and white. Yellow, cunningly, was showing Mandatory Palestine in one map and what he claimed to be Palestinian Land in the other maps. Given that Mandatory Palestine has nothing to do with “Palestinian Land” and the name simply denotes a geographical area, it is quite obvious that William Sieghart was trying to con his audience to think that the name implies ownership by some people who took that name much later. Furthermore, in his fiction William Sieghart never mentioned the Jewish Palestinians who lived in this land, nor did he mention the 1.5 million Arabs who live in Israel now. Conveniently, according to William Sieghart, they do not exist and their land too was taken from the mass of the fictional “Palestinian land”.

    • stern

      The haters love these maps!! Israeli really needs to do something about this, perhaps take out huge ads in major newspapers – including Der Sturmer (sorry, The Guardian) – explaining the truth.

  • Ken Kelso

    Go on Palmediawatch and you'll see its the Palestinians who are the Islamo Nazis.

  • I'm Having a…

    Britain had the crap kicked out of it during WW2 and ceased to be Great, thanks to Hitler. Is this mere coincidence?

    • stern

      Not sure what you're trying to say. Britain's decline came after Hitler's defeat.

      • Mary Sue

        maybe he means when they had Chamberlain in before Churchill?

  • Ken Kelso

    Great response by Caroline Glick on who the Nazis are.
    The only thing i would have added was this.


    NEW YORK- Adolf Hitler's autobiography, Mein Kampf, in which he explains his virulent hatred of Jews, has made it to the best-seller list in the Palestinian Authority-controlled territories. The French news agency, Agence France Presse, reports that Mein Kampf is presently at number six on the PA best-seller list. It noted that Mein Kampf was banned from the territories during the years of Israeli administration of the region, but was recently allowed in by the PA.

    Morton A. Klein, National President of the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), said: "The Palestinian Arabs' apparent fascination with Mein Kampf is a deeply troubling phenomenon. When Israeli forces overran Arafat's bases in southern Lebanon in 1982, they found many copies of Mein Kampf, in Arabic, among the PLO terrorists' belongings. Nor we can we forget that the most popular Palestinian Arab leader, the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin el-Husseini, spent the Holocaust years in Berlin, where he was an active Nazi collaborator; he is still revered as a hero among the Palestinian Arabs today."
    The ZOA president noted that Arafat's number two man and the architect of the Oslo accords, Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen), is the author of a book (The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and the Zionist Movement) which claims that Hitler killed less than one million, not six million, Jews, and that (Jerusalem Post , Jan.26, 1995); the official PA newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida has called the Holocaust "a deceitful myth" (July 2, 1998); PA Television has said "the Jews exaggerate what the Nazis did to them" (Aug.25, 1997); and PA Communications Minister Imad al-Falouji and PA general-secretary Ahmed Abdel-Rahman led a rally in support of Holocaust-denier Roger Garaudy. (Reuters, Jan.19, 1998)

    • Michael in USA

      Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen), is the author of a book (The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and the Zionist Movement) which claims that Hitler killed less than one million, not six million, Jews, …

      So in an Arab's mind, one million is not so big a deal? No wonder they ignore the Turks annihilation of the Armenians.

      • Hannah

        Ever hear of the Samson option? If you haven't go to google.
        This time if the world screws up, Israel's reaction will be cataclysmic. 6 million is enough. It's not writing eloquent articles in the New york times that's going to persuade the Israelis to lay off.

    • The Watchman

      The Arabs lie as a matter of convenience which Islam says is ok if it furthers the Islamic cause.The Oslo peace for land deal is a typical Islamic agreement can be trusted.

  • Ken Kelso,7340,L-4165965
    UNESCO says won’t fund Palestinian magazine praising Hitler
    After children’s magazine publishes article on girl’s dream in which Hitler tells her ‘Jews spread destruction all over the world.
    Yitzhak Benhorin

  • Marty

    British Jews who refuse to see the writing on the wall will regret not doing so. islamification is moving along nicely in londonistan and across the country. Those britons who survive the upcoming slaughter of infidels and the imposition of sharia law may be able to hold up in enclaves, at least temporarily, but the UK as we know it will cease to exist in another generation or two. Jews should move to Israel and those non-Jews who refuse to accept the savagery of islam should migrate to North America where western civilization may have to make its last stand.

  • Jozy

    I get unbelievably sick and tired of my fellow Europeans a lot of the time. This article just serves to remind me of what miserable and sorry state this once great continent is in.
    Europe is a diplomatic lost cause. No amount of words from Netanyahu or Israeli ambassadors is going to convince the people of this lost continent why Israel are the good in the good vs evil war. Only more bombings and terrorist attacks might. Islamists know this. They have switched to stealth-jihad, as such.
    All I can hope for is that the jews of Europe abandon the sinking ship while they still can. Head for the US, Australia/NZ or make aliyah while there is still freedom of movement. I'm sure Israel would be very happy to accept well educated Jews into the country.
    As for me, I'll do whatever I can to offer resistance to the Leftist/Islamist agenda here, and I urge any other sensible Europeans out there reading this to do the same. If this continent does not show any sign of turning for the better within the next 10 years or so, I think we too might have to abandon ship too.

    • Drakken

      Bloody fighting has yet to begin, when it does and make no mistake it will, there will be no quarter or mercy.

  • Asher

    Unfortunately some voters do not know the ramifications of commuism, Sharia Law, and Socialism. The children have been dumbed down in the schools, who are future voters, and the Media has done the bidding of the radicals with the exception of a few who actually practice honest journalism. Years and years of appeasement destroy socieities from within, which is exactly what Islam's goals are.

  • PAthena

    "Daniel Levy, one of the founders of J-Street" J-Street is an organization funded by George Soros, a Nazi collaborator against the Jews in Hungary in 1944 who is still not ashamed of it – as recorded on the tv show, "60 Minutes." Although born a Jew, he is anti-semitic and anti-Israel. He is an important backer of President Barack Obama, who is also anti-Israel.

  • ManoftheWest

    AnOrdinaryMan said:
    "The British have no brains, no common sense, no tolerance, and no manners–pigs."
    Please don't do this; this is what Sharia adherent Muslims do, and I am sure you are not one of those.
    I am British and I am not a pig. I am heartbroken that the brave and decent Ms Glick was treated in this despicable manner and so are other people in Britain who are aware of the truth but, sadly, I am not surprised.

    • Drakken

      The silent majority of Europeans will soon be the loud voices, so don't let the disgust of posters get to you, they are voicing their complete and utter frustration against the islamist tide in our midst.

  • ManoftheWest

    I despair and fear for my country and I know that this will end in blood in the near future.
    Along with every other Western country, especially in Europe, our politicians (of all stripes), media, academy, schools and entertainment industry are entirely dominated and controlled by Marxist-multiculturalists and all avenues of reasoned debate on issues surrounding Israel, Islam, immigration, etc are closed off. This does NOT mean that "The British" are all of one (diseased, bigoted, suicidally stupid)mind. It means that, for the moment, all the main means of expression are in the hands of an insular clique.
    Ordinary working class people here are increasingly aware of the real nature of The Religion of Peace, and the fact that they are not just blocked from expressing the truth about Islam but, actually, prosecuted and penalised for it at the moment GUARANTEES the exp[losion that is to come.

    • Drakken

      Today the establishment silences our voices, tomorrow the establishment will tremble at the sound of our rifles. War is on the horizon and when it kicks off, it will be sudden and there will be no stopping it.

    • Ghostwriter

      I hope things don't escalate to that point,ManoftheWest.

  • g_jochnowitz

    There IS a God, and He's an embittered anti-Semite who hardens the hearts of the people of the world against the Jews. Why has He kept us alive throughout the millennia? So that He can keep killing us.….

    • stern

      Read the Torah, especially Ki Savo. The "curses" explain why G0d does what He does to the Jews.

      • g_jochnowitz

        The blessings listed if we heed God's commandments are trivial: rain in its season. The curses go on for pages. They are imaginative and poetic. God clearly was looking forward to inflicting them.
        Then we foiled Him. For centuries and centuries, all over the world, most Jews observed all the commandments. That really made God angry.
        To suggest that we deserve all the misfortunes that have befallen us is to agree with the Marxist-Islamic Alliance.

        • stern

          Wow, you are one heck of a pessimist.

          • Ghostwriter

            And depressing,to boot.

  • VLParker

    So why is Harry killing the Taliban in Afghanistan while the rest of England is welcoming them with open arms into the UK? Methinks Harry should go home and kill the Taliban in his own country.

  • Bert

    Attempting to use secular truth and logic to understand any kind of Jew hatred is a big mistake. We are confronted by mystical forces that are totally evil and operate far beyond reason. The Torah makes it clear that if Jews obey the Law, G-d will fight Israel's enemies but if Jews disobey then we will be abandoned and suffer dire consequences. The Torah also predicts that at a future time Israel will be abandoned in a hostile world and have no where to turn for support except to return to G-d. We are clearly approaching that time. The upside regarding Britain is that Antisemitism will drive out many Jews who will migrate to Israel. That will be Britain's loss and Israel's gain. And Genesis 12:3 warns the nations the G-d will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel. As we can see a lot of scores remain to be settled across the world.

  • Mark Shipp

    Thank God for truthful voices like yours, Caroline.

  • Mike

    That must have been real hard for C Glick. She sounds like a courageous soul. I've lived my life holding my toungue for fear of loosing relationships, jobs, academic grades, etc. A total western liberal white male sell out to leftist PC. Thus I'm usually able to discern the phony righteousness of those that shout so loud. Many are afraid because their are no valid alternatives to the security of belonging in the victims camp. It is a safe place to be on the Islamic side of the wire.

    • Drakken

      Soon it will be the wrong side of the fence to be on.

  • marios

    Today it could be safe place to be on the Islamic side as they use those people as USEFUL IDIOTS. The same did Hitler as we know that many "progressive" Jews who considered themselves as Germans but by Jewish faith, were annihilated as all other as they were Jews and it was enough. The same with Islamo-Nazists. Now on stake only comfortability of life but tomorrow on stake will be life, mere existence.


    1941 The Grand Mufti meets Hitler

  • Alex Kovnat

    It may well be that if the people of the UK are sheep enough to surrender their firearms, they are also sheep enough to surrender to an ever more militant Islamic influence in their midst. And when I say "surrender", I mean in spirit as well as physically. The latter, can happen since not enough non-Islamic British people possess firearms to physically oppose the movement to Islamicize Great Britain.

    • Drakken

      That is why the US is the arsenal of democracy, it won't take too long to arm up our British cousins, I am also sure the Russians wouldn't mind selling arms as well.

  • @paulvmarks

    I will be back in Britain on Monday night. I have lived in Britain all my life and I can confirm that what Caroline Glick says is correct – correct in relation to a certain group of British people, the "educated" and "liberal".
    I went around the Israeli Naval museum in H. today – and was ashamed of the terrible policy of trying to keep Jews out of Israel by force, and prevent Jews VOLUNTARILY buying land (why should not a Muslim Arab landowner not be allowed to sell land to a Jew or group of Jews?).
    However, sadly "educated" and "liberal" British people would not be ashamed – indeed they would hold that British policy had been pro Jewish (and evil because it was so).
    Should any Israeli come to Britain I would advice them (even if they are on the left politically themselves) to avoid "educated", "liberal" people like the plague.

    • stern

      Isn't that museum amazing! I walked out of there stunned.

      • @paulvmarks

        Me to.


    "The resolution we debated read: “Israel is destroying itself with its settlement policy. If settlement expansion continues Israel will have no future.”"

    Should actually be:
    Britian is destroying itself with its socialist appeasing Islamism policy. If appeasing Islamism continues, Britain will have no future.”"


    Europe hates Jews. That's old news.

    Now Eurabia has Muslims. Millions and millions of Islamofascist Muslims..

    Let's see how that works out.


    Caroline, If you are American, you should watch videos of "debates" in the British Parliament. The sounds emanating frojm the pews in the Parliament should clue you into how "debates" work in the UK.

    I wish you had more allies during your debate to give you more encouragement.

    Pointing out all the death an destruction perpetrated by Islamists, all over the world, demonstrates that Islamism is the problem, not the straw man of Zionism.


  • RoguePatriot6

    Everywhere Jews have immigrated they have contributed to the society in that nation they've tried to adopt. __I'm seriously trying to understand the "hate" mentality and where it's coming from. From Jihadists, yea, I can see where they are coming from in the sense that fundamental Islam calls for Jihad against Jews and other unbelievers however from others, I simply do not get it. The only possible explanation I can come up with is, ENVY. Now, I don't attribute this as the only cause but I do think it plays a big role. In every case nowadays when you deal with anti-semitic mentality they always refer to some sort of wierd conspiracy about them controlling Hollywood, our banks, our market, our schools (yea right, LOL something is controlling our schools alright but it's not Jews, you can bet on it)…etc. (cont'd)

  • RoguePatriot6

    The list goes on. Could it be that the reason that they have become so successful or influential in these areas is their dedication and hard work or their priorities? I also notice that the loudest whiners seem to be progressives who, over decades of mind numbing indoctrination from our schools, believe they should be entitled to everything that everyone else has worked so hard to acquire. You saw this same BS at all of the OWS rallies. Here's a hot tip for those who are fishing for reasons to resent Jews; Maybe, just maybe if you'd get off your fourth point of contact and actually try to do something for yourselves, you just might find yourself alot more enriched with wealth instead of hate and resentment for not having things handed to you. Just saying. In England I can see how this would be a root cause because their Nanny state, dwarfs ours in comparison and the entitlement mentality has pretty much eroded any sense of independence.

  • Gabrielle

    At least 15 years ago I was told if I wanted to see Europe, do it now while it is still recognizable and resembles what you would imagine. I have been there several times and the last time was truly the "last time." Very sad.

  • Sound&Fury

    Neville Chamberlin's grandchildren… They never learn.

  • Pow

    Those whom Hashem wishes to destroy, he first sends mad.

  • LindaRivera

    By colonizing Britain with millions of Muslims, Freedom-destroyers, God-hater UK ruling elites have brought great suffering to non-Muslims – both Jews and non-Jews alike. Our non-Muslim people in all Western countries must stand together and oppose this dreadful threat against our safety and freedom!

    BARE NAKED ISLAM: UK: Four Muslim men wielding axe and screwdriver attack British man in Luton for no reason

    Founder of Islam, Mohammed: “I have been made victorious with terror”, “Wage war on the infidel and kill them until Islam is dominant” (Koran 8:39).

    The violent Muslim attackers are OBEYING the Quran to wage jihad on intensely hated infidels. TREASONOUS European and UK leaders have colonized Europe and Britain with many millions of the soldiers of Allah in order for Muslims to obey the Quran commands:

    Abu Baseer in London: “One of the goals of immigration is the revival of the duty of jihad and enforcement of power over the infidels. Immigration and jihad go together.

    Koran 9:5 “Kill Jews and Christians wherever you find them”.

    Courageous Brits who protest risk their lives and are persecuted by ruthless, Britain-hater, Islam-lover ruling elites! The entire nation of Britain must rise up and save themselves before it is forever too late!

  • Ken Kelso

    Joseph Puder wrote a great article about this.
    European Anti-Semitism and the Jewish State
    December 12, 2012 B
    Joseph Puder Comments (34)

  • charles Bernold

    Hello Caroline Glick

    Over the years I have read many of your positive articles
    I am born a Lutheran Swede from Halmstad – Stockholm- Malmo mostly southern part of this former great country
    Sweden is going the very same way as the British world is going, it is very disturbing for someone like my self trying to see it from all FOUR SIDES of life.
    why so many Jewish people see it so differently?
    Once Israel is gone, which I hope God will forbid the Western civilized part of it as we know it will also be gone. I hope it is not too late for us in this life experience
    America =[ USA is the world's last hope and it doesn't look too good at this moment in time or right now

    Caroline keep it up by writing your inspiring articles

    You are very "super" special


  • Jossi

    Wonderful article Caroline. I emigrated to Israel a long time ago from a Western European country, I've already smelled and felt the anti-Semitism when I was in primary school.
    Keep up your great work, I'm looking forward to read your book when it'll be published. This article by the way should have been titled Bye Bye UK.

  • Adolf Hitler

    Europe is lost….it will be under sharia law before the end of this century. The transformation of the inhabitants into dhimmi status will be painful in many ways. However it will come to pass as we can see it happening before our very eyes today. Fascinating.

    • Drakken

      Europe is far from lost, it is only the beginning, as they say, you ain't see nothing yet.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Oi Vey!!! What next, merry old England always antisemetic and at the least mean spirited_towards Jews is about to enter and age of Islamist damnation that will cost in blood and_treasure and they demonstrate against the few decent people alive today in Israel. _Caroline Glick has the gift of
    insight,expression and surety in her writings. She does get to the point and it is clear
    that she was not listened to.

    How intolerant so called well healed audiences are, in fact they are probably just leftist hacks
    that graduated from a leftist institution and should all be sent to the Tower of London and given
    a few whacks on a rack.

    Let good people go to Israel and grow the Nation to it's rightful boundaries as given in the
    Bible and then let it lead the World to true peace and prosperity. As for the miscreants
    of the World there is a war coming in which they will be the true heirs of Haman………William

  • john Stone

    Forget nice because nice is not about survival in a dangerous world. If Britain were in working order, the upper crust would identify with the homeland and have a snobby disapproval of everyone else. Having lost that conceit they need another, and so even as the old conceit is stripped away, the left provides one. Someplace, somewhere there has to be someone to disapprove of for the sake of mutual pretension. The rest is detail.

  • burkasrugly

    They will be compliant and go by the UN Blasphemy law that Hillary Clinton pushed through with the help of her Muslim lesbian lover, Huma. What will people in the US do when the first person is arrested and put in jail for sharing their Christian faith? I think it will be all-out war.

  • Gloria Stewart

    Holding Jews to a higher moral standard as was mentioned early in the article, is a fine argument. It is valid when and only when one accepts the superiority of their civilization. Do Europeans accept this.

    As usual, the Jews are the miner's canary. Soon England and the rest of Europe will be Islamized, and no non Muslim will be safe,

    It reminds me of Winston Churchill's observation when told of Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's capitulation to the Nazis at Munich. He said:" Mr. Chamberlain had to chose between war and dishonor. He chose dishonor. He will have his war later". England and all of Europe will have their war later.

    • john Stone

      Canary in the coal mine was what I was thinking also.

  • martin

    england has never been a friend to the Jews..they have always been a scurrulous bunch of Anti semites..The British empire is finished !

  • Suzanne

    The "debate" sounds like a farce. I'm really sorry Caroline had to go through it. It's bizarre seeing firsthand peoples (nations) contempt for Israel. Doesn't the Bible say somewhere that Israel will be the most hated of nations? How odd that this seems to happen right in front of our eyes! Hatred of Israel is so counter logical, too, as Israel is one of the best countries in the world. It's a non aggressive democracy, it's moral, it's progressive, it's standard of living is good and getting better, it's inventive, it's giving of itself. So, of all countries, what a ridiculous one to hate! We never hear about debates about the real bad guys either (like North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc.) do we? No, just Israel. Hideous and depressing!

  • Obama Guy

    Seems like a case of projection to me. The Europeans don't have to think of their own history of the Slave Trade, Colonialism, Anti-Semitism if they can accuse Israel of similar things today.

  • Obama Guy

    Especially the British upper classes.

  • Anamah

    Antisemitism is a disgraceful promotion of ignorance and the election of hate. Europeans are losing its basic human values, again. Idiots freed and nourished the progressive plague.

  • PamM

    It is notable that the audience in the discussion mentioned in this article was made up of upper crust, wealthy British people. These chatterati are the very ones who have been most infected with the mind destroying pc/mc virus and they acted accordingly. In such circles expressing pro-Israeli opinions makes one a social outcast, the modern equivalent of the mediaeval leper.

    They do not represent the views of the people as the talk in any pub will quickly tell you. Had they actually been unwashed rabble rousers they would likely have taken a much more sympathetic view, as such people are likely to have seen first hand the destructive effects of Islamic immigration and therefore view Israel and the Jewish community as natural allies.

  • Illuninati

    Caroline Glick, I admire you greatly.

    If the other posters are correct, that the European people are trying to assuage their own guilt for the holocaust, those who wish to support the Jews need to let the European people know that all Europeans are not responsible for the crimes of a few. Today's generation is not guilty for the sins of their ancestors. Also, during WWII, the British were against the Nazis.

    American Jews need to stop supporting the Marxists/Socialists against traditional Judeo-Christian society. Jews who think that they can work with people who are destroying our traditional American culture, and after our culture is destroyed, can continue to live here safety in the new Marxist utopia are wrong, possibly dead wrong. The reason America has been so supportive of Israel and Jews is because of our unique Christian culture. Destroy that and we will be no different from Europe.

  • pieceofmymind

    On behalf of the people fo the land where I was born, I can only say sorry! I am extremely aware of the magnificent contributions Jews and Israelis have made in practically every field of human endeavour.
    I am ashamed of just this one aspect of British historyu, the rampant anti-Jewish sentiment that has reared its head on many occasions.
    The four reasons you give( anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism, addiction to Arab oil, and growing Muslim populations in Europe) are in my opinion symptoms and manifestations of the greater cause and that is a basic dislike of the God of the Jews. Please do not confuse name-Christians who form the established Christian churches (and thereby the political classes) with genuine Christians who both know the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and share in His love and affection for Israel and the Jewish people.

  • Camilla

    I grew up in Italy and I can say the situation isn't much better there. We have a large mass of people brought up on bread and protest. Among other things like eagerness to practice urban violence and devastation, these people are characterized by being viciously anti-anything-Israel. Italy is still a Western country with Judeo-Christian values, but barely so. We won't hold up for long if things keep going the way they have been. This state of affairs is not coincidence. We had the strongest communist party of the West and we are seeing the ugly fruits of Marxism applied with dogged determination for over half a century. Between fundamentalist Muslims and marxists with zeal, poor Europe. God save us all and grant to all humans a love for Truth and the ability to pursue it.

  • The Bride

    This satanic anti-Semitism will continue to flourish, esp. After the Rapture, when the Jews will be persecuted as never before. God IS in control, & He IS watching how His Chosen People are treated; He will bring the world against them to show them He is the only One they should put their faith & trust in.

  • Carl

    As a British non Jew I would like to maintain that it is the minority and not the majority of Britons that are anti-Semitic. I myself have Jewish and Muslim friends and can appreciate the cultural and religious aspects that other nationalities and regions contribute to the UK.

    None of my friends are racist and those that I have discovered to be have been outcast from my group of friends, the UK as I have experienced it does not tolerate racism or discrimination and amongst my generation (20 somethings) it is certainly a taboo. Whilst some in the older generation (60+) are racist I find that it is mainly towards Muslims and have not experienced anti Semitic sentiment.

    I do agree that there is some confusion as to the Israeli and Palestinian conflict I believe that it is mainly to do with the media and the way that both parties are portrayed. Whilst I can understand that this should be changed to be less biased enabling the general public to make their own informed decision I do think this article is a gross misrepresentation of the UK. The minority should not tarnish the majority and I think you will find that there are plenty of educated, hard working and generous Britons in the world who would not encroach on your cultural, religious or political freedoms for anything.

    • Nahum Nigel Froumin

      Dear Carl, you sound to me like a straightforward honest chap. But your immediate environment and your own friends do not reflect the whole picture. Don't make your final judgement until you have read 2 books: 1. The Islamist – written by a moslem youth from Whitechapel London who grew up and finally saw reality. 2. LONDONISTAN by Melanie Phillips. Lots of real facts in there to help you form a more realistic view.
      Best Wishes

  • Nahum Nigel Froumin

    Comment from Nahum Nigel Froumin to
    I was born in 1944 and grew up in England. At age 5 going to my first day at school my mother told me "Don't tell the boys in school you are Jewish because they may not like you". The list of antisemitism in school is long. Later at Nottingham University the Jewish Society's notice board was always kept empty so we could avoid undesireable behaviour from antisemites. No Moslems were around then!
    Just last October we read that the Danish Jews are advised to hide their Jewishness in public.
    I WILL NOT HIDE! I moved to Israel in 1968. Here I'm just an ordinary guy, and I don't have to hide. I don't have to be apologetic or subservient. I can wear a kippa in the street and a Magen David lapel pin or necklace.
    Living in exile is not the way. Israel is the place for Jews.

  • John Stone

    >>Britain had the crap kicked out of it during WW2 and ceased to be Great, thanks to Hitler. Is this mere coincidence?

    My theory is that the response to Hitler and WW2 introduced social changes in Europe that are the current problem. Effectively, it empowered the political left who have managed to introduce a new and self destructive culture. If current trends continue, Europe will self extinguish itself in the cultural sense.

    Countries that are still in working order after a war can always overcome a war debt if they want to. England in particular, lost control of India because of the war, but I would imagine that was coming anyway. In general, the war empowered the US and diminished England as a global power, but there is no reason why England can not continue to be successful country on its new scale if influence.