Israel’s Reviled Strategic Wisdom

Caroline Glick is the Director of the David Horowitz Freedom Center's Israel Security Project and the Senior Contributing Editor of The Jerusalem Post. For more information on Ms. Glick's work, visit carolineglick.com


172555192Originally published in The Jerusalem Post

On Wednesday, Egypt had its second revolution in as many years. And there is no telling how many more revolutions it will have in the coming months, or years. This is the case not only in Egypt, but throughout the Islamic world.

The American foreign policy establishment’s rush to romanticize as the Arab Spring the political instability that engulfed the Arab world following the self-immolation of a Tunisian peddler in December 2010 was perhaps the greatest demonstration ever given of the members of that establishment’s utter cluelessness about the nature of Arab politics and society. Their enthusiastic embrace of protesters who have now brought down President Mohamed Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood regime indicates that it takes more than a complete repudiation of their core assumptions to convince them to abandon them.

US reporters and commentators today portray this week’s protests as the restoration of the Egyptian revolution. That revolution, they remain convinced, was poised to replace long-time Egyptian leader and US-ally Hosni Mubarak with a liberal democratic government led by people who used Facebook and Twitter.

Subsequently, we were told, that revolution was hijacked by the Muslim Brotherhood. But now that Morsi and his government have been overthrown, the Facebook revolution is back on track.

And again, they are wrong.

As was the case in 2011, the voices of liberal democracy in Egypt are so few and far between that they have no chance whatsoever of gaining power, today or for the foreseeable future. At this point it is hard to know what the balance of power is between the Islamists who won 74 percent of the vote in the 2011 parliamentary elections and their opponents. But it is clear that their opponents are not liberal democrats. They are a mix of neo-Nasserist fascists, communists and other not particularly palatable groups.

None of them share Western conceptions of freedom and limited government. None of them are particularly pro-American. None of them like Jews. And none of them support maintaining Egypt’s cold peace with Israel.

Egypt’s greatest modern leader was Gamal Abdel Nasser. By many accounts the most common political view of the anti-Muslim Brotherhood protesters is neo-Nasserist fascism.

Nasser was an enemy of the West. He led Egypt into the Soviet camp in the 1950s. As the co-founder of the Non-Aligned Movement, he also led much of the Third World into the Soviet camp. Nasser did no less damage to the US in his time than al-Qaida and its allies have done in recent years.

Certainly, from Israel’s perspective, Nasser was no better than Hamas or al-Qaida or their parent Muslim Brotherhood movement. Like the Islamic fanatics, Nasser sought the destruction of Israel and the annihilation of the Jews.

Whether the fascists will take charge or not is impossible to know. So, too, the role of the Egyptian military in the future of Egypt is unknowable. The same military that overthrew Morsi on Wednesday stood by as he earlier sought to strip its powers, sacked its leaders and took steps to transform it into a subsidiary of the Muslim Brotherhood.

There are only three things that are knowable about the future of Egypt. First it will be poor. Egypt is a failed state. It cannot feed its people. It has failed to educate its people. It has no private sector to speak of. It has no foreign investment.

Second, Egypt will be politically unstable.

Mubarak was able to maintain power for 29 years because he ran a police state that the people feared. That fear was dissipated in 2011. This absence of fear will bring Egyptians to the street to topple any government they feel is failing to deliver on its promises – as they did this week.

Given Egypt’s dire economic plight, it is impossible to see how any government will be able to deliver on any promises – large or small – that its politicians will make during electoral campaigns.

And so government after government will share the fates of Mubarak and Morsi.

Beyond economic deprivation, today tens of millions of Egyptians feel they were unlawfully and unjustly ousted from power on Wednesday.

The Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafists won big in elections hailed as free by the West. They have millions of supporters who are just as fanatical today as they were last week. They will not go gently into that good night.

Finally, given the utter irrelevance of liberal democratic forces in Egypt today, it is clear enough that whoever is able to rise to power in the coming years will be anti-American, anti- Israel and anti-democratic, (in the liberal democratic sense of the word). They might be nicer to the Copts than the Muslim Brotherhood has been. But they won’t be more pro-Western.

They may be more cautious in asserting or implementing their ideology in their foreign policy than the Muslim Brotherhood. But that won’t necessarily make them more supportive of American interests or to the endurance of Egypt’s formal treaty of peace with Israel.

And this is not the case only in Egypt. It is the case in every Arab state that is now or will soon be suffering from instability that has caused coups, Islamic takeovers, civil wars, mass protests and political insecurity in country after country. Not all of them are broke. But then again, none of them have the same strong sense of national identity that Egyptians share.

Now that we understand what we are likely to see in the coming months and years, and what we are seeing today, we must consider how the West should respond to these events. To do so, we need to consider how various parties responded to the events of the past two-and-ahalf years.

Wednesday’s overthrow of the Muslim Brotherhood government is a total repudiation of the US strategy of viewing the unrest in Egypt – and throughout the Arab world – as a struggle between the good guys and the bad guys.

Within a week of the start of the protests in Tahrir Square on January 25, 2011, Americans from both sides of the political divide united around the call for Mubarak’s swift overthrow.

A few days later, President Barack Obama joined the chorus of Democrats and Republicans, and called for Mubarak to leave office, immediately. Everyone from Sen. John McCain to Samantha Power was certain that despite the fact that Mubarak was a loyal ally of the US, America would be better served by supporting the rise of the Facebook revolutionaries who used Twitter and held placards depicting Mubarak as a Jew.

Everyone was certain that the Muslim Brotherhood would stay true to its word and keep out of politics.

Two days after Mubarak was forced from office, Peter Beinart wrote a column titled “America’s Proud Egypt Moment,” where he congratulated the neo-conservatives and the liberals and Obama for scorning American interests and siding with the protesters who opposed all of Mubarak’s pro-American policies.

Beinart wrote exultantly, “Hosni Mubarak’s regime was the foundation stone – along with Israel and Saudi Arabia – of American power in the Middle East. It tortured suspected al- Qaida terrorists for us, pressured the Palestinians for us, and did its best to contain Iran.

And it sat atop a population eager – secular and Islamist alike – not only to reverse those policies, but to rid the Middle East of American power. And yet we cast our lot with that population, not their ruler.”

Beinart also congratulated the neo-conservatives for parting ways with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu who counseled caution, and so proved they do not suffer from dual loyalty.

That hated, reviled Israeli strategy, (which was not Netanyahu’s alone, but shared by Israelis from across the political spectrum in a rare demonstration of unanimity), was proven correct by events of the past week and indeed by events of the past two-and-a-half years.

Israelis watched in shock and horror as their American friends followed the Pied Piper of the phony Arab Spring over the policy cliff. Mubarak was a dictator. But his opponents were no Alexander Dubceks. There was no reason to throw away 30 years of stability before figuring out a way to ride the tiger that would follow it.

Certainly there was no reason to actively support Mubarak’s overthrow.

Shortly after Mubarak was overthrown, the Obama administration began actively supporting the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Muslim Brotherhood believed that the way to gain and then consolidate power was to hold elections as quickly as possible. Others wanted to wait until a constitutional convention convened and a new blueprint for Egyptian governance was written. But the Muslim Brotherhood would have none of it. And Obama supported it.

Five months after elections of questionable pedigree catapulted Morsi to power, Obama was silent when in December 2012 Morsi arrogated dictatorial powers and pushed through a Muslim Brotherhood constitution.

Obama ignored Congress three times and maintained full funding of Egypt despite the fact that the Morsi government had abandoned its democratic and pluralistic protestations.

He was silent over the past year as the demonstrators assembled to oppose Morsi’s power grabs. He was unmoved as churches were torched and Christians were massacred. He was silent as Morsi courted Iran.

US Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson and Obama remained the Muslim Brotherhood’s greatest champions as the forces began to gather ahead of this week’s mass protests. Patterson met with the Coptic pope and told him to keep the Coptic Christians out of the protests.

Obama, so quick to call for Mubarak to step down, called for the protesters to exercise restraint this time around and then ignored them during his vacation in Africa.

The first time Obama threatened to curtail US funding of the Egyptian military was Wednesday night, after the military ignored American warnings and entreaties, and deposed Morsi and his government.

This week’s events showed how the US’s strategy in Egypt has harmed America.

In 2011, the military acted to force Mubarak from power only after Obama called for it to do so. This week, the military overthrew Morsi and began rounding up his supporters in defiance of the White House.

Secretary of State John Kerry was the personification of the incredible shrinkage of America this week as he maintained his obsessive focus on getting Israel to make concessions to the Palestinians.

In a Middle East engulfed by civil war, revolution and chronic instability, Israel is the only country at peace. The image of Kerry extolling his success in “narrowing the gaps” between Israel and the Palestinians before he boarded his airplane at Ben-Gurion Airport, as millions assembled to bring down the government of Egypt, is the image of a small, irrelevant America.

And as the anti-American posters in Tahrir Square this week showed, America’s self-induced smallness is a tragedy that will harm the region and endanger the US.

As far as Israel is concerned, all we can do is continue what we have been doing, and hope that at some point, the Americans will embrace our sound strategy.

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  • Jsjk

    I don’t think America (under Obama) will ever adopt a “reality-oriented” policy for the Middle East. His administration can be counted on to develop the worst possible strategies (designed to weaken the United States while strengthening enemies). He wants to promote America’s enemies, that is his goal. So, barring his impeachment, the disasters will continue.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      I don’t think America (under Obama) will ever adopt a “reality-oriented” policy for the Middle East.

      Did you think America (under both Bush’s) ever adopted “reality-oriented” policies in the Middle East? Because if you did, then you are as mentally incompetent as Obama is regarding the Middle East. The reality is both sides of the political spectrum in America have been complete and utter failures with regard to the Middle East.

      • tickletik

        I think you are a troll whose purpose is to wreck the conversationg. That you would insult a man you dont know for no other reason than to bully him into accepting whatever view you have, shows that you are a shameless, and low individual. You should know that I will not let your disgusting attitude affect my decision making with regards to what the previous commenter said, or what views you pretend to hold.

        Even if you are a legitimate believer in what you claim to beleive, it has been proven that there are PR companies that literally hire rotten people like you to abuse others while claiming to hold a particular view for the express purpose of making that particular view odius to the public. That is why I let you know that although I find you repugnant, vile and disgusting as a clearly failed human being, I will not allow you to influence my views,

        I also caution everyone else here regarding SOCK
        PUPPETS like that.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          And you are a flake.

      • pfbonney

        Bush was a LITTLE better. At least, he supported democratic Israel. And kept the peace in Egypt (and kept them as prosperous as they are ever going to be) by supporting Mubarak, the (relatively) benevolent dictator.

      • Vance P. Frickey

        I lost a son during Bush’s Iraq surge. However, Bush, crook and peabrain he may have been, had some spark of patriotism and intolerance for AK-brandishers from the Middle East. Obama just loves them.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          I lost a son during Bush’s Iraq surge. However, Bush, crook and peabrain he may have been, had some spark of patriotism and intolerance for AK-brandishers from the Middle East. Obama just loves them.

          Sorry I don’t share in your enthusiasm for GWB, as he was one of the most incompetent and destructive people to ever be a President of the USA. Of course, Obama isn’t any better and may even be worse. By the way, what did your son die for?

    • pfbonney

      Republicans lack the b@11$ to impeach Obama.

      So the disasters will continue.

      • Vance P. Frickey

        You’re saying Democrats have the cojones to send that mountebank packing? You’re in Dreamland. My Democrat representative stopped representing us when Pelosi made her Deputy Whip. My Democratic Senators are saving up for trips to Trinidad, CO to have their bits made into vulvas.

        • defcon 4

          I wonder these days if the NSA surveillance records will be used to identify and round-up enemies of the state.Enemies being those who support the Bill of Rights or the US Constitution.

        • pfbonney

          “You’re saying Democrats have the cojones to send that mountebank packing?”

          Read my post again. You’ll realize I never said ANYONE did.

  • silver gonzales

    America, once a great country is still great, but for cheap food, juice and pretty beaches along with some great hospitals. Everything else is getting worse every day.

    BTW, in the time required to read this honest article, the US Federal debt has increased by 5 million.

    Got phyzz?

    • Vance P. Frickey

      Well… if that bothers you so much, either help work to make it better or find a better place. No one’s going to keep you from leaving.

  • tatave

    Those who revile Israel are vile and they will reviled as such.

    • Vance P. Frickey

      Even when they divebomb US Navy ships? Let’s not confuse them with the God we share with them.

      • defcon 4

        Um, Israel made restitution to the families of the victims of the USS Liberty attack, your islam0-nazi pals OTOH have never made restitution to the thousands of US families affected by islam0-nazi terrorism. Of course you probably knew all that already didn’t you Ahmed?

        • Vance P. Frickey

          No, jerk-off. My son died in 2006 fighting a war in Iraq which the neoconservatives who decided we have a mystic bond with Israel had to be fought. An Islamist coward pushed the button the detonated the IED which killed him and his squad.

          Go live in Israel and fight for them yourself if you think we need to make our own national interests subordinate to another country that has cynically spied on us and withheld information ABOUT Islamic terrorist events in the planning stage when we could have stopped them without loss of American lives,

          • tickletik

            Sorry to hear that about your son. But he died for US interests, not Israel’s. If you really think that the US does anything when it’s not in their interests then you are ignoring 200 years of consistent history.

            As far as the Iraq war is concerned (both of them), most Israelis would have preferred that you’d have stayed home and let them handle the region. They definitely did not want a situation where Iran was left to exist unchecked by Iraq, and where the US used the gulf war as an excuse to pressure the Israelis into giving away nearly half their territory to their worst enemies.

            Here is a clue: What the neocons want is not necessarily what the Israelis want. And America is not nearly the good “friend” you delude yourself about being.

      • tickletik

        Pollards case was exaggerated. The government lies when it wants to make an example out of someone, look at Snowden.

        As for dive bombing the Liberty, think man, this is the same country that TWICE gave back territory in the Sinai that it won in battle just because the US told them too. They would sooner set themselves up to be wiped out than go against their “greatest friend in the universe” in Washington. The last prime minister in Israel with any guts to stand up to DC (actually the only one), was Begin. The rest can’t wait to get on their knees to get their marching orders from whoever is in the Oval Office.

        You don’t know this place, you don’t know what goes on here. it’s not what you think. They are obsessed with the US.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    was perhaps the greatest demonstration ever given of the members of that establishment’s utter cluelessness about the nature of Arab politics and society.

    I guess that is a polite political correct way of saying Islamic society, as Iran and the Pakistanis certainly are in no way Arabs. Not to mention that Islam and specifically Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law, dominates politics throughout the Islamic world as all Islamic states without exception are Islamic totalitarian hellholes that purposely go out of their respective ways to persecute the non-Muslim infidels that have the unfortunate misfortune to reside in one of those Islamic totalitarian hellholes.

    Nevertheless, I don’t know about the greatest demonstration of cluelessness ever, as the Bush administration allowing the constitutions of both Iraq and Afghanistan to be enshrined with Sharia Law and to state that Sharia Law supersedes all laws is a pretty good one in its own right, as again Sharia is Islamic totalitarian law.

    Shall we just say that American politicians on both sides of the political aisle have exhibited far more than their fair share of stupidity and gross incompetence over the years when it comes to dealing with the challenges of Islam and Islamic society? As, indeed, none of them have the first fricking clue.

    But now that Morsi and his government have been overthrown, the Facebook revolution is back on track.

    I hate to rain on their parade, but anyone who is dumb enough to believe that legitimate democracy, freedom, and liberty are a possibility in the Islamic world deserves to be put in a straight jacket and locked up in a mental ward somewhere. They obviously are addicted to repeating the same stupid mistakes over and over and over again. Indeed, something is obviously very defective or severely wrong with their mental functioning processes.

    At this point it is hard to know what the balance of power is between the Islamists who won 74 percent of the vote in the 2011 parliamentary elections and their opponents. But it is clear that their opponents are not liberal democrats. They are a mix of neo-Nasserist fascists, communists and other not particularly palatable groups.

    She really means Muslims instead since the existence of so-called Islamists, which are radical Muslims, just like the existence of so-called moderate Muslims, is a political correct myth and also absurd propaganda spewed by Republicans and Dhimmicrats alike to intentionally mislead the public. Moreover, the so-called liberal groups are really leftwing Marxist utopians and exactly like all leftists everywhere around the world, they are extremely delusional. But she is right, they all hate Jews and America!

    She is also right in her very straightforward analysis of the total American foreign policy disaster. Indeed, I believe she secretly understands Islam as I do but she also knows how to explain her points in very political correct terms in order to protect her career, which is a very wise move for her. Wink wink!

    • tickletik

      You are an obvious troll and sockpuppet. I wonder how much you are getting paid an hour to do this?

    • pfbonney

      If you ever want to know what is REALLY going on in the Middle East, Caroline Glick & The Jerusalem Post (for whom she also writes), and of course, frontpagemagazine.com are it.

      For those that don’t know, there is an element of Jewish society here in the US that is as down on Israel as is the Obama Administration, so be careful of what you read.

    • defcon 4

      I wonder if it could be said that “moderate” muslimes are the ones who desire a mostly peaceful institution of islamofascist Sharia law, while the “radicals” want to employ violence. Then again, it could be just two sides of the same coin, each side know what the other is doing and supporting each other in their common cause.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        I wonder if it could be said that “moderate” muslimes are the ones who desire a mostly peaceful institution of islamofascist Sharia law, while the “radicals” want to employ violence. Then again, it could be just two sides of the same coin, each side know what the other is doing and supporting each other in their common cause.

        Sharia is not Islamofascist, it’s Islamic totalitarian law and it’s not peaceful. Ask the Christian Copts. Indeed, it’s what all adherents of Islam totally, completely, and unconditionally submits to under the pain of death for blasphemy and apostasy, as Sharia in essence is the will of Allah. Hence, since a so-called moderate Muslim would have to necessarily disavow Sharia to become a legitimate moderate Muslim, that would also make he or she a legitimate blasphemous apostate, which is a capital offense under Islam. Hence, a moderate Muslim is a blasphemous apostate with a death sentence hanging over his head and I don’t think there would be too many of them.

        A so-called radical Muslim, on the other hand, is a mainstream orthodox Muslim, as jihad is a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims.

        Moreover, it is not violent jihad that presents the greatest threat to the world. It’s the non-violent variety as in mass Muslim immigration to the West for demographic conquest that presents the greatest threat to the world especially since it is totally 100 percent unopposed.

  • Taimoor Khan

    Israel’s wisdom lies in occupying Palestinian land, oppressing Palestinians, killing men, women and children, denying Gaza population basic facilities, constructing illegal wall to emass Palestinian territory, violating international laws and basic principles of humanity, committing racism and plundering resources of Palestinians, and all that citing “how Nazis and European whopped our backsides for centuries, let us whop the backsides of Palestinians now”! What a bunch of vile creatures Israelis and their apologists have become. It’s time for Israel to accept one state settlement, under a secular state of Palestine. Otherwise, nobody can save the Israelis from the eventual destruction which they paving the road to themselves.

    • yesjb

      Thanks but no thanks for that recipe for suicide!
      You have a complete inversion of the truth.
      The only vile people there are the so-called Palestinians who have no compunction about slaughtering each other.. none at all.
      And those Arabs of the former British Mandate never had any qualms about allying themselves with the evil Nazis and have maintained that association and affection to this day. Their leader, Abbas is a Holocaust denier, Mein Kampf is a big seller as is The Protocols.
      In your scrambled brain a wall/fence to stop terrorist Jew-killers is illegal, but the Pali terrorists are not..
      The killers of men women and children are Muslims, you dolt. And their victims are Jews, Christians and Muslims.
      It’s time for Muslims to accept a Jewish Israel. If they don’t, it’s their loss. And if their is a two state solution, it should be Israel and Jordan (80% of the original Palestine Mandate).
      Israel should go on doing what it is doing, thriving, growing and getting stronger.
      Those who wish to destroy it, such as yourself will find themselves on the wrong side of history. It is the Palis who have been paving their way to oblivion. They have always wanted everything, refused compromise, got nothing and now deserve even less.
      People like you Khan are like the Pali leaders who have sold their followers a barrel of shit and told them it was gold.
      One only has to look at Syria and Egypt to see what the future holds for you and your ilk.
      You can have it.
      Israel will survive and thrive and you can continue with your head up your butt.
      Good luck, dumkopf!

    • Profit

      You’re obviously drunk on that Paliwood kool-aid. I’m glad to know you support the Hamas terrorists who send Palestinian children to kill Israelis by blowing themselves up — you know, actual human rights violations.

      Palestine is the REAL apartheid state. No Jews allowed in Palestine! Yet, Israeli Arabs have a 95% literacy rate – the HIGHEST than any other Muslim country in the world.

      • Taimoor Khan

        So you support Israeli terrorist who have come from all over the world to grab Palestinian territory? And you want more? After stealing most of Palestinian land, you want to see Jews in whatever remains Palestinian land? Utter shamelessness!

        • Anamah

          Young Taimoor, try to find another Muslim country where life, freedom and laws are at the service of its citizens. All of them are a catalog of corruption, dictatorships, and endangered citizens who far for growing, became victims of each and everyone of these powerful states… That is your problem… not Israel, not Jews, nothing of that is a real problem for any Arab, … so be brave, intelligent and reasonable. It’s for you to choose.

          • Taimoor Khan

            That’s like saying, you shouldn’t care for 9/11 because there are so many murders in USA anyway! Will you accept this argument? There are many problems in the World, you can’t down play the problems – oppression and terrorism – Israel creates for the people of Palestine, by citing other problems. I know we have many problems, but Israeli oppression is one of the problem.

          • tickletik

            You take words like “oppression”, “terrorism”, “murder” and then you assert that these words apply to Israel. You are a nothing more than a shameless liar who slanders innocent men with the words that actually apply to you and yours.

          • Taimoor Khan

            Asks the people of Gaza how innocent Israelis are. Ask the mothers who lost their children’s lives to brutal Israeli occupation. Would you like to live under occupation? Would you live to live under the watch of a foreign army? Would you like to be humiliated on check points? Or worse, would you like to see the dead bodies of your loved in front of you? Then why do you think those who have given this to Palestinians are saints?

          • Drakken

            Don’t wage jihad, and you won’t get killed and humiliated, simples.

          • iluvisrael

            Open your koran to your favorite sura and take a steaming dump right on it.

          • Drakken

            Happy Nakba Hadji, may you enjoy many more.

          • defcon 4

            Thumbs up to that thought.

          • OfficialPro

            There would be no “oppression” if the Paleswinians weren’t so hellbent on blowing up innocent pizzerias.

          • defcon 4

            The Paleswines are just a symptom of the larger disease called islam.

          • Taimoor Khan

            The Israelpigs are also the symptom and the offshoot of the biggest terrorist state on earth, America.

          • Drakken

            If your in my country hadji, GTF out before we throw your jihadist azz out.

          • Taimoor Khan

            There won’t be any issue if Israel settlers from Russia, Europe and Africa relinquish their thirst of occupation and their racism.

          • Drakken

            Your race card doesn’t play anymore hadji, to the victors go the spoils. You want to go jihad, we’ll return the favor with a Crusades on steroids so keep up the good jihad.

          • Charlie97

            You talk big – Crusades on steroids – but what are you going to do? Send other people’s children to do your killing for you (like a true patriot a la Bush/Cheney)? You certainly can’t do it anymore can you? What are you? In your 50s or 60s? You’re an old man now…

          • Drakken

            As a PMC in my forties I hold up just fine thank you very much, islam is headed for a clash with us westerners, sorry if I don’t subscribe to being brought back to the 7th century because it would be rather impolite to say so. It is a very simple love me and mine, and eff you and yours and I will do what is necessary to ensure that me and mine reign supreme over the most retrograde force that humanity has ever known.

          • Charlie97

            I don’t think that suicide-bombings (or pizzerias for that matter) pre-dated the Israeli occupation. I think that you’ll find that the oppression started first, and the suicide-bombings against civilians (which are of course wrong) occurred thereafter.

          • Drakken

            You conveniently forgot to mention the muslims declared total war against the Jews and those Jews didn’t quite go with the Islamic program, to the victors go the spoils. When you muslims start wars and then lose, don’t come crying to the rest of us on how mean and unfair it is.

        • Drakken

          You dumbazz savages lost every war you savages started, and then you cry and whine that you lost and deserve something for it, Up yours muzzy!

          • Taimoor Khan

            We are not discussing winning wars, we are discussing who is occupying whose land and who is victim. If you insist on law of jungle, then of course, you will get what you want but at the moment we are debunking the propaganda of Israeli apologists who want to paint themselves as victims.

          • Drakken

            You haven’t debunked jacks*** Khan, you spew Islamic jihadist propaganda and nobody is buying what your selling, your no American, your a muslim, hence a clear and present danger to all of us infidels. The simple fact you muslims lost the wars you started and then whine and cry about it, to the victors go the spoils and you lost and will continue to loose, Happy Nakba! Many more to come.

          • Charlie97

            When will you learn that ‘your’ does not equal ‘you are’? If you want to truncate ‘you are’, then the correct way is ‘you’re’. As in, you’re a moron.

          • Drakken

            If that is all you have hadji? I call it an epic fail, try again headbanger.

          • Charlie97

            Of course it isn’t. But you are a moron of epic proportions.

          • Drakken

            Keep banging that head on the floor hadji, it’ll do the body good.

          • Charlie97

            Hadji, headbanger, muzzy etc etc…boring.

          • Drakken

            But true eh ?

          • Charlie97

            Yeah – absolutely…

          • Taimoor Khan

            The war was started when settlers from Europe and Russia moved to Palestine.

            Come for once out of your Muslim hatred and think like a human being, you little racist and bigot.

            Happy Intifada, and Israelis
            will never rest on dead bodies!

          • Drakken

            You bloody sub human savages deserve every plague and pestilence that comes your way, good riddance. Mt European western civilization is vastly superior to anything that you muzzy savages offer. Happy Nakba hadji, enjoy many more to come.

          • Charlie97

            I’m not sure that’s true Drakken. You wouldn’t be so scared otherwise…

          • Drakken

            Not scared, realistic, your islam is incompatible with our western way of life and diametrically opposite of it.

        • OfficialPro

          You seem to ignore that Israel GAVE UP the Gaza strip. COMPLETELY. To the Palefakians. No Israeli governance of the Gaza strip even exists, nor does a single Jew in that strip of land.

          Stop the Palestinian Occupation of Stolen Jewish Land.

          • Taimoor Khan

            Don’t think I am your typical Yankee whom you can fool. Gaza withdrawal was a plan of West Bank extension, in Israeli officials own terms. Why don’t you withdraw from West Bank? And when was Gaza free? Israeli implemented a brutal blockade on it. Would like living under such conditions? Then why you lie about Gaza “withdrawal”?

            You are a racist if you think that the settlers from Russia, Germany, and Africa have more right to Palestinian land for being “Jews” than the Palestinians living there. I already said Israelis are like Nazis.

          • Drakken

            Your no western yankee, your a muzbot belonging to the umma not us of the west.

          • Charlie97

            I watched a very interesting and insightful discussion on these matters between Mehdi Hasan and Dani Dayan (on Al-Jazeera – http://youtu.be/m6lwgCs2PNM?t=44m25s). It doesn’t appear that there will be any sort of resolution to this problem, unfortunately.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Let me help you out there bud. That is nothing but a pack of lies and in reality jihad by deception, i.e., Taqiyya. It is meant to dupe gullible useful idiot infidels and unfortunately it does, mainly delusional leftists. Indeed, in the eyes of all Muslims, and that is what so-called Palestinians are, the international laws you falsely claim Israel is violating is an abomination, since they are manmade laws. In fact, according to Islam there is only one true law, and that is Sharia, otherwise known as Islamic totalitarian law. It’s in essence what all Muslims submit to when they unconditionally submit to the will of Allah and it is also what the so-called Palestinians intend to impose on the Israelis one day and also on all non-Muslim infidels around the world eventually, as jihad in the cause of Allah against all religions and infidels is not only a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims in the world, it is, indeed, the sole fundamental purpose of Islam.

    • Arf

      Dream on, Taimoor. In Jerusalem, “Palestinians” (read Fakestinians) are lining up around the block every day to change their status from Israeli Residents to Israeli Citizens. You think that we won’t notice how savage the arabs are to each other if you repeat that stupid Hamas BS script on Israel? Hey, did you catch the latest arab cannibalism video on Youtube — this guy, Abdul, is eating his mom’s foot when his dad walks in and…..

      • Taimoor Khan

        Arf, you are a true racist who hates Arabs and looks down upon him. You just prove my argument that Israel is a racist state and it’s supporters are racist. If Arabs are getting citizenship, then why not give citizenship to all Palestinians whom you are oppressing? Give equal rights to all Palestinians living in the region (Palestine-Israel).

        • tickletik

          That is a completely insane statement which means absolutely nothing. You have made absolutely no argument, you have made nothing but unbacked assertions. And the assertions you have made are obvious lies spoken by a whore.

          The Israelis should assert their power openly. Since Muslims like you will curse them as racist and oppressors no matter what they do, then they may as well be racist and oppress! Why not? If you are going to rape and burn us all, then we may as well give you the same thing!

          You should all know something. In Israel there are many Jews who came from Arab countries, these Jews had all their property stolen and were abused by the thieving Muslims. Not one penny was handed back, and they did nothing bad to the Muslims they lived under! These Jews are construction workers, truck drivers, shop keepers, factory workers – these are the working class Jews. They are simple and honest, and if you talk to them they have no respect at all for Muslims like “Talimoor Khan” because they know that he is nothing more than a lying thieving murderous whore.

          In the end, you will pay for your lies Talimoor, and God will pay back a thousand years of Muslim abuse. Just wait!

          • Taimoor Khan

            Where did I lie? Can you point out? Israel was created as a sham state by Britishters to dump their “Jewish problem” onto Arab world.

            Israel has been occupying Palestinian land and oppressing Palestinians and even after occupying much of Palestinian land, refusing to implement the compromise agreed by the world in two-state settlement. It neither fully annexes the Palestinian land – it steals the resources and builds exclusive settlements, but treat Palestinians as non-citizenz – nor gives Palestinian statehood.

            What it wants to do is to somehow force Palestinians out of their land or commit a genocide under some pretext and occupying their land while dumping the people. It is playing a war of attrition (but I don’t think it’s winning).

            It is supported by America and that’s why it can do commit such obscenities. Rather than crying in your Muslim hatred, and reveling in Jewish love as a Gentile, think with logic.

          • Drakken

            Muslims and logic in the same sentence is an oxymoron. You muslims don’t want peace and never will. So as far as I am concerned, you savages deserve the loses that you suffer, and you will suffer more.

          • Charlie97

            Why does the Christian American right love Israel so much? Please try to answer that question without using the word ‘Muslim’ or ‘Islam’.

          • Drakken

            Very simple shortbus, Israel is of western civilization, a western ally, Judeo/Christian work ethic, build things, develop, produce, feed, invent . In a nutshell a plus for humanity. Anything from the headbangers not so much, and not of our interest.

          • Charlie97

            The American right does not have the same regard for the Chinese, for example, who fulfil most of the criteria that you have outlined. Would you accept that some of the American Right (note:I did not say all) have an affiliation with Israel that has some eschatological underpinnings?

          • Drakken

            I’m on a blog headbanger not writing a bloody thesis paper. Guess what arselifter? Keep pushing those jews and the rest of us infidels, you will get a reckoning that will be sung around a 1,000 campfires for a 1,000 years.

          • Charlie97

            Grammar aside, why not answer my question?

          • Drakken

            Us on the right don’t trust the Chinese as far as we can throw them, period. Whatever is good for China, is not necessarily good for us in the West. Israel is of us in the west, an ally. You muslims of whatever stripe will never side with us westerners, EVER!

          • Charlie97

            That’s all good. However, you really are having a tremendous amount of difficulty in either understanding my original question, or you just don’t want to answer it (which is also fine).

          • Drakken

            I did answer it, and I’ll answer it again. Israel is our western ally, period, end of story, just like every other European country. Muslims of whatever stripe are not allies and never will be, they are a scourge of western civilization and there will be one way or another a conflict between you muslims and us westerners.

          • Charlie97

            This was my question;

            Would you accept that some of the American Right (note:I did not say all) have an affiliation with Israel that has some eschatological underpinnings?

            Please (and this is a genuine request) see if you answered it.

            You’ve answered another question that I haven’t asked i.e. why does the U.S.A. support Israel? I didn’t actually ask that, although I’ve seen your response to that question many times before (usually with the addition of hadji, headbanger, muzzy etc.).

          • Drakken

            The jews are of the west, hence western in thought and process, the arab muslims, complete opposite and anti-progress and anti-civilization and tribal savages.

          • Charlie97

            You know what Drakken? Don’t worry about it. I think your Alzheimer’s is starting to set in…

            If you didn’t understand the question, then ask.
            If you don’t want to answer, then remain silent.

          • Taimoor Khan

            And we also know how your “Judeo/Christian Civilization” treated Jews. How did Spaniards dump their Jews? And where did those Jews find refuge?

            There is more to your obsession with Israel. It’s sinister, it’s evil, it’s to dominate the oil rich part of the world. Israel is a proxy state, and dumbos like you are brainwashed to support it to dominate the region in lust of oil.

        • iluvisrael

          the whole world looks down on you inbred muzzie savages – get used to it – and happy eternal nakba!

          • Taimoor Khan

            Oh man, get check out surveys in the World. Israel is the most hated state, maybe after America, and rightly so, and even refused by academics. It is a Nazi like racist state.

        • pfbonney

          Let me give you a clue. Israelis and Arabs and Caucasians are all of the same race.

          Genetically, there are only three races on this planet: Caucasians, Black Africans (formally, Negroid) and Asians.

          American Liberals invented the sub-divisions to better divide-and-conquer us.

          By your definition, Muslim countries are racist states.

        • kate5778b

          Try reading the PLO/Hams/Fatah charters – Racist. Gaza Racist, no Jews.

          Saudi Arabia/Mecca/Islam – Racist no Jews there why? It sets the example from Islam; however Israel (which has given over 50% of her land to crying Muslims for ‘peace’) is full of Arabs who LOVE living there, and wouldn’t live in a Muslim country as for some strange reason they don’t think that Sharia is Islamic – work that one out!

          Israel and Jews – legitimate and as you know ‘Palestinians’ is an invented name for an invented people who are Arab Muslims from Egypt (half have the name Mizrahi just like Arafat, why wasn’t he ‘Palestinian’????) or Syria or Arabia, as they are ARabs.

          Look at the Mandates, palestine was divided for its indigenous, Arabs were given more than their fair share – all those countries are RE-established. Have a look at your Koran/Ahadith – No Zion/Jerusalem/Shechem/Hebron no just Arabia – now look at a siddur or Bible. Case closed.

          • Taimoor Khan

            It’s like saying America should be taken from Americans and the 200 million Americans should be given a “fair” share as in one state of California. Will you accept that? Who are you to decide on ETHNIC basis which people have enough or not? Why don’t you give a part of America to Jews to build their “state”?

            You are blind in hatred for Muslims. But I won’t let your diversionary tactics work. I will just keep insisting you address the point – Israel’s insistence on occupying Palestinian land and even refusing to abide by a compromised settlement (from Palestinian perspective!) as stipulated in two state settlement.

          • Drakken

            You palis don’t want peace and never will, you want all of Israel period! You want every last Jew dead or living as a 3rd class dhimmi. Well I am afraid those Israeli’s are not and will not go with the muslim program, so happy nakba muzzy, there will be many more.

        • OfficialPro

          They’d be insane to give citizenship to terrorists.

          Nobody cares about what race the Arabs are; the Arabs themselves consider themselves “white”. This isn’t about being Arab. This is about being batfeces insane loony jihadis.

          • Taimoor Khan

            Then leave their land. Who asked you to come from Europe to live between these people? If you don’t like them, go away. Who gave you right to come from distant lands and then look down upon local people and expedite them?

          • Drakken

            Because you muzzys lost every war that you started, then you claim victimhood. Those Jews aren’t going anywhere, so you either get used to it, or get your azz kicked, AGAIN!

          • Taimoor Khan

            The war was started when European settlers started moving to Palestine. Israel is the aggressor, its very creation is. Still, Palestinians are for compromise, which Israel rejects like a racist Naz! state that it is (remember, Naz! state was also “of the west” LOL!)

        • defcon 4

          LOL, why don’t YOU and your islam0-nazi ilk try giving equal rights to non-muslims in all your various miserable islam0-nazi cesspools?

          • Taimoor Khan

            Two wrong don’t make a right. Let’s not divert.

          • Drakken

            Spare me the diversion, it is all about getting rid of every Christian and jew in the muslim world.

        • Drakken

          You bloody savages deserve every bit of scorn reaped upon you and more. Deo Volente muzzy!

          • Taimoor Khan

            Check a psychologist, you are need one.

    • pfbonney

      Nice try, but it was the Muslims who told the Palestinians in 1948 not to form their sister country to Israel, dooming them to live in refugee camps for the rest of their lives, when they could have lived in their own homeland.

      Besides, the REAL Palestinians (the Philistines in the Bible) are either extinct or completely assimilated.

      Good god! Muslims already own a gigantic swath of earth, stretching from Indonesia to Morocco, Kazakhstan to Western Sahara. Quit being so greedy! Israel is so tiny in comparison.

      As for the wall, if the “Palestinians” (who didn’t even exist as a people until Israel was declared a state in 1948, at which time a victim needed to be created to help perpetuate hatred of Jews) hadn’t kept abusing their freedom of mobility by always bombing the Israelis, the wall wouldn’t have ever been needed.

      Previously, you Muslims kept crying about the Jewish Army bulldozing the homes of the homicide bombers families. So Israel found the solution. So why aren’t you now happy?

      You malcontents, just like Yasser Arafat, always find something to gripe about.

      • Taimoor Khan

        Oh, isn’t America too big for just 200 million people? Don’t be greedy, give a few states of your to other countries like India and China who are over-populated! Would you agree with this logic?

        As for Wall, build it to your heart desire – but on the territory pre-67, which is a compromised settlement for Palestinians. But the occupying power that Israel is, it amasses land by building wall on recognized Palestinian territory.

        How about an occupying power occupying America and settling people from different countries to their land and conspiring to create a country for them? You Will also do what Arabs did in 1948.

        “Americans” didn’t exist as people before America was created. So let’s take their land and dump them in the Pacific. You will not agree right? THen why you paddle this insanity for Palestinians? You can check record from any neutral and authentic source and you will know that local Arabs (called them whatever you like, and they might actually be mixed raced) outnumbered local Jewish population in the region by 10/1 up till 1800s. Later settlers started coming from Europe and Russia…

    • Gettingby

      You sir are a moron. The crap you spout is insane. Why is every muslim nation a shithole? Because they are filled with idiots like you.

    • OfficialPro

      The palefakians should go back to where they originally came from (Saudi Arabia).

      • defcon 4

        They don’t want them — except perhaps as underpaid laborers.

      • Taimoor Khan

        No, the more clearer settlers and arrivals from Russia, Africa, Germany and Europe should go back to where they came from in the last two centuries.

    • defcon 4

      How many Jews live in Gaza now islam0-nazi? How many Jews still live in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Iran? The rest of the Mid-East and N. Africa are nothing more than Arabic islamofascist misery theme parks, busily oppressing, murdering and persecuting anyone non-muslim. Go suck your camel urine cocktail, after all,it’s prophet recommended.

      • Taimoor Khan

        After occupying and stealing much of Palestinian land, you want even more land? You to live in Gaza? Then let Palestinians have control of the region as they should.

        So having Jews in number is such a big credit for a country? Are you not a racist? You are telling me if Jews a rare species and the qualification for a country to be called civilized is how much Jews live there? Jews have low population overall, so what? How many Sikhs live around the world?

        Obscenity will not help you win an argument. I will keep hammering truth!

        • Drakken

          Can’t wait until Israel takes off the kiddy gloves, and puts on the mailed fist carrying a mace and gives Gaza what it so richly deserves, Carthage!

          • Taimoor Khan

            You are a true rabid hater and you want murder.

    • Taimoor Khan

      I have two “likes” for my comment. Good that there is some insanity left on the forum.

    • kate5778b

      There are no palestinians, there are Jews or Arabs of the newish mandated lands. Learn some history.

      Double standards for Islam, they demand ‘justice’, fairness & but don’t demand it of themselves, sharia is inherently unjust and unfair, especially to women and kuffr.

      Sorry – No destruction of Israel, you are forgetting that ‘Pals’ and all surrounding countries are based upon the apartheid, judenrein Meccan religion of Islam, where Arabs are from, and we know what happens to that. Funnily enough so do Muslims sura 3;3 shows that the Quran is wrong, if you are testing and brining forth evidence as it commands a reader to do – Mohomet is not THE Prophet and all the neviim talk of his ideology and its fruits and its adherents to the fundamentals of Mo’s teachings are for eventual destruction and not Israel.

      Sorry, read the basics.

      • Taimoor Khan

        Get out of your Muslim hatred and talk logic. You made no sense. Israel is an occupying and racist state, that doesn’t get justified by citing other people’s misdeeds.

        • kate5778b

          I love muslims, I hate Islam, it says it confirms the Torah sura 3:3 it doesn’t. Allah says he gives an even bigger portion of land to Israel, Arabs belong in Arabia and all the other 56 Islamic nations. Arabia is a racist state, no Jews and the future ‘Palestine’ will be a racist state just as Gaza is.

          There is a cure for ignorance, no cure for stupid though, Khan

        • kate5778b

          no cure for stupid, timoor.

          Saudi is racist, the PLO/Hamas charters are racist (Arab only) Gaza is racist.

          I LOVE Muslims, I HATE Islam, it is for scared people.

  • mtnhikerdude

    Further proof this administration is Islam friendly and America Hating.

  • kate5778b

    I know what’s happening in Egypt – Proverbs 28:2 When there is moral rot within a nation, its government topples easily.

    …..and pretty much every other nation, it seems, just more obvious in Islamic ones.

  • AmericaFirst

    Oh yeah, following Israeli “wisdom” is definitely in America’s best interests. Because, you know, Zionist jews always put America first. The various Middle Eastern wars they’ve led us into have been SO beneficial to American economics, security, and international standing. Our totally uncoerced and unextorted support for Israel has really made us a lot of friends in the region. And lest we forget, the Israelis would NEVER spy on us or launch false flag attacks against American targets. Yeah, let’s put our faith in Israel.

    • UCSPanther

      Yeah, and you nazis probably would want to have us invade Israel instead…

      Wanna see more USS Liberties? That’s a surefire way to get it….

      • AmericaFirst

        Oy, everyone who see through jewish lies and treachery is a Nazi! Seneca was a Nazi ! Martin Luther was a Nazi! Voltaire, another Nazi! Oy, it’s a regular semantic Holyco$t™, I tells ya! (Translation: you can keep on making that accusation if it makes you feel better, but no one buys it.)

        And absolutely classic that in a fit of Talmudic rage, you tacitly admit that the USS Liberty attack was very much deliberate. Believe me, if the US wanted your pathetic criminal state wiped from the earth, we wouldn’t invade. Then you’d know what a real Holyco$t™ was like.

    • defcon 4

      It’s strange how you have a big blind spot for the various atrocities committed by muslims against US citizens and military personnel. I’ll give ya a partial list:

      1. USS Cole
      2. USS Stark
      3. Beirut bombing of US Marine barracks
      4. muslime soldier fragging members of his own unit (101st Airborne)
      5. Ft. Hood shooter
      6. 1st WTC bombing attack
      7. 9-11
      8. Boston marathon bombing
      9. bombing of US embassies in Africa

      What false flag attacks nazitard?

  • Vance P. Frickey

    Obama ruined the “Arab Spring” by supporting Al-Qaeda-sponsored “springs.”

    The sad fact is, Obama never saw an Islamic murderer he wasn’t besotted with.

  • Charlie97

    IAN DEITCH http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10885949 – dated 16 July 2013 – article truncated

    Associated Press= JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel condemned new guidelines by the European Union on Tuesday which ban EU funding and cooperation with Israeli institutions situated in territory captured by the Jewish state in the 1967 Mideast war.

    In order to obtain EU funding from 2014, Israeli projects will be required to sign on to a clause stipulating they operate within the country’s pre-1967 borders and not in east Jerusalem, the West Bank or Golan Heights.

    The clause is a powerful endorsement by the EU of the Palestinian demand that its future borders be based on the pre-1967 lines. The Palestinians are demanding that Israel stop building Jewish settlements in the West Bank as a condition for the resumption of peace talks which collapsed in 2008.

    Israel says talks should restart without preconditions and that all core issues should be resolved through dialogue. It has frequently called on the Palestinians to resume peace talks.

    Israel’s deputy foreign minister Zeev Elkin called the EU decision a “very significant and worrying move.”

    “It certainly doesn’t add to the atmosphere of peace talks. On the contrary, it fuels the Palestinian refusal to return to the negotiation table,” he said Tuesday.

    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is back in the region this week for consultations on his attempts to restart negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. He is not scheduled to visit Israel or the Palestinian territories but is set to meet with Palestinian Mahmoud Abbas in Jordan Tuesday evening.

    A spokesman for the European delegation in Tel Aviv said a “territorial applicability clause” will feature in agreements between Israel and the EU from 2014. “Israeli entities situated in the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip, West Bank, and East Jerusalem will not be eligible for EU funding,” he said.