Another Personal Attack Inspired By West

yyI had decided three weeks ago, after responding to Diana West’s accusation that I am a book burner, that that would be the end of it. The storm she has created over a bad review of her book, American Betrayal, had reached a point where the controversy was no longer about the issues but purely personal and destructive. After five weeks of post after post attacking Radosh and me I hoped we had come to the end of it and if we just didn’t respond the furor would die down. I was wrong, the attacks have continued from her camp for another three weeks and the level of personal vitriol and slander directed at us has if anything reached new levels. Now, in the pages of Breitbart, even Vladimir Bukovsky, the great Soviet dissident, whose work we have previously admired in these pages, and will continue to admire, has joined her wolf-pack.

Vladimir Bukovsky is a formidable figure – the first to come to the support of West. I felt it necessary to respond to his attack in Breitbart. I hope this is the last time I will have to do this. My reply in Breitbart follows:

It grieves me to see a hero of the anti-Communist struggle, Vladimir Bukovsky, join the character assassins that Diana West has mobilized to attack Radosh and me because Frontpage posted a bad review of her book. It grieves me even more because he goes out of his way to defend her preposterous claims, e.g., that the division of Europe at Yalta was a Soviet plot when everyone knows the division was drawn by Winston Churchill, hardly a Soviet stooge. There are dozens if not hundreds of howlers like this in West’s 400-page, 900-footnote book, which is why we gave it a bad review.

West continually brings up her 900 footnotes as if that makes her book scholarly and factual. But footnotes do not protect an author from responsibility for the absurd conclusions she draws from them. Example: In writing about the proposed D-Day plan to invade France, which she opposes as a “Soviet plot” to give Eastern Europe to Stalin, West refers to the allied defeat of Hitler’s armies that would follow as an ethnic cleansing of anti-Bolsheviks. Here is the exact quote:

“Unopposed, unchecked, these Red Army troops would ride their Lend-Lease fleets of Jeeps and Dodges deep into a Europe that was being ethnically cleansed of millions of anti-Bolsheviks by U.S. and British troops.”

West’s invariable defense of ludicrous statements like this is that she never said them or they never meant what they meant. Bukovsky repeats this alibi, claiming that the Frontpage review by Radosh misrepresented her book. No it didn’t. Example: In her 22,000-word “rebuttal” to Radosh’s 8,000-word review West says it is “false” that she claimed that Washington DC was “occupied” by Communists and Stalin’s agents. Here is what she wrote in her book and actually quotes in her rebuttal:

“The vast and deep extent of Communist penetration, heretofore denied, had in fact reached a tipping point to become a de facto Communist occupation of the American center of power.”

Apparently she doesn’t realize that the Latin phrase de facto means “in fact.” It is impossible to argue with a mind as obtuse as this.

The fact that West’s book reports a lot of well-known facts about Communist infiltration and Soviet spies has led some people to believe that this makes her book worthwhile and important. If West had left it at that – as an accumulation of such already establish facts — I would agree. The problem is that she has a much greater ambition, which is to rewrite the history of World War II and the Cold War because everything written by historians before her are “fictions.” She therefore proceeds to weave these facts into preposterous and patently false theories (as in the two examples above) that will only serve to discredit them and the anti-Communist cause.

The worst aspect of West’s relentless personal attacks on Radosh and me are that they convert intellectual disagreements about a book and excessive complaints about a bad review into a political witch-hunt whose clear goal is to stigmatize us as communist apologists, inventing our histories in the process. One of West’s champions, Andrew Bostom writes:

“Bukovsky (b. 1942) spent almost a third of his first 33 years of life in Soviet prisons, labor camps, and psychiatric hospitals. Compare that experience to Ronald Radosh’s (b. 1937) and his colleague Frontpage Magazine owner David Horowitz’s (b. 1939) first 33 years of privileged existence in the U.S., and their perverse support, during that same period, for the liberty-crushing, Soviet Communist totalitarian system that imprisoned Bukovsky.”

I have spent 30 odd years fighting for the anti-Communist cause. Yes I was born into a Communist family. I wrote a book about it. I am not going to make apologies for my political views as a five-year-old. But both Radosh and I became New Leftists when Bukovsky was only 14, and never supported the Soviet totalitarian state or Bukovsky’s jailers. Nor do I “own” Frontpage, which is a non-profit entity that has no owners. This is the kind of garbage West and her followers have been flinging at us for the last two months.

If Bostom and crew follow West down the path of the political purge, treating intellectual critics of her work as enemies of liberty and supporters of Communism, it is West that set the standard and gave the marching orders. This zeal in demonizing intellectual opponents and attempting to expel them from the anti-Communist ranks is characteristic of her mentality, and what makes the accusations in her book untrustworthy and self-discrediting. It is why I removed an endorsement of it that appeared on Frontpage and published Radosh’s accurate critique, which despite 22,000 words of abuse she has still failed to answer.

One final note. In the kind of projection that is typical of demonizers, West has accused Radosh and me of attacks on her character. Her evidence? I called her “incompetent.” I did, but in a private email which she chose to publish in order to play the victim. I have written two previous posts about West – both in response to vicious attacks on me personally by her, as a “totalitarian,” an “anti-anti communist,” a “commissar” and a “book burner.” I had resolved not to engage this dispute again, but the personal attacks on Radosh and me have forced me to explain myself again. I hope this is the last time.

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  • Highlander

    Horowitz is in a hole.

    And he can’t stop digging.

    A total hypocrite and a fantasist to boot.

    The red in him runs deep.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Sock. Puppet. Worstrolls. Maniac. Go gibber at the moon.

      • Nick

        You have claimed that during and after the war, the “impotent” Soviet forces never managed to do anything but temporarily occupy territory that was liberated by the Allies.

        When did the Americans cross the Elbe and liberate Poland again?

        • ziggy zoggy

          Cunny.

  • Susan

    I like David Horowitz, read several of his books, and like much of his “thinking”.
    He should bury the hatchet–no one agrees on everything—personal attacks are not fruitful (unless you are a Marxist). Take the high road–you spoke your peace.

    That said—there are always things which “puzzles” me—in Horowitz’s lack of Logic and Reasoning, which seems so “sound” at times. I have read the book on McCarthy (Blacklisted) and understand the power of Hollywood and media (publishing companies) to control all concepts of the masses in America, since, actually, JP Morgan bought up all important news organizations in the early 1900′s.

    Media literally was able to destroy the WWII hero, McCarthy with lies and misinformation. The masses believed the “news” (agitprop). They were able to get the masses into wars or on board for the Federal Reserve/Income Tax (unconstitutional concepts) or make FDR seem like “god”—-because of totalitarian control of News (no debate)—just like Goebbels. A few people have been controlling all allowed ideas in the media….like today’s Satanic TV/movie media. Internet is our only hope—but they are plotting to get control of all information—or be able to discredit whomever—using the internet.

    In Solzhenitsyn’s commencement speech at Harvard in ’78, he spoke of the US “press” and how Americans “thought” they were getting the “Truth” in US newspapers, when it was a bunch of lies, which would have made Goebbels smile. Solzhenitsyn knew we were just getting lies in the 70′s. He understood the Hegelian Dialectic.

    This Psychopolitics (brainwashing) is rampant in US elementary schools (and TV) which has been going on since the Socialist John Dewey destroyed the educational system by removing Classical Education (Knowledge/Wisdom) (1930) and replacing it with mush (Run, Spot, Run) and Marxist grouping (teaching hate), Marxist Ideology (Dr. Ruggs writing textbooks), twisted criticisms of our Founders and Institutions, demoralization—has basically dumbed down the USA to a very dangerous level. Free people HAVE to be educated. Virtue is necessary for ALL Free Governments (Socrates/Founders) and Virtue is being destroyed in our children (and removal of Reason) by “homosexual” promotion (and vice promotion/glorification on TV). JS MIll stated (and I know DH knows this—that government control of public schools is Marxism—it will make slaves for the state (JS Mill). Why do we still have a DOE/IRS/etc. etc????? The Leviathan needs to be removed and he is busy attacking something which really includes a lot of truth and eye-opening info.

    To elevate perversion and dysfunction as a “Right” and “Good” flips Christian Ethics to Satanic Ethics. It destroys Virtue (Excellence/Wisdom/Courage/Justice/Temperance). Why nothing from him about the constant promotion of perversion—a Marxist tactic to destroy Virtue in children?

    Horowitz advocates promotion which flips “Good and Evil” from the Classical Standards that created the “Age of Reason”, The Renaissance, and
    the greatest political documents in the History of Man. Christian Ethics is the Ethics of the US “Justice System”. (It used to be). Destroying Good and Evil—is destroying our concept of “Justice” in our Founding Documents—and we will get a pagan/occult/Marxist/Atheist government which NEVER gives Freedom to the Individual. Never!

    Governments HAVE to promote “Justice” (Virtue)—that is what a “Just Law” does. As St. Thomas A. and all Founders thought–”when a law ceases to be “just”, it ceases to be law”. There is no Vice in Justice. Think about it. There is no “Right” for Vice or the promotion of Vice by government entities. It is unconstitutional. There is no “right” to use others in dehumanizing, unnatural, vile ways.

    We need to unite—and take back the country—get rid of the Marxist public “school” indoctrination system and return “Truth” to kids—-this includes the return of concepts in the classroom of “Individual Natural Rights from God”.
    They are currently using Common Core to flip “Justice”on its head, and removing Objective Truth (God) (Our Constitution): that primary fundamental First Principle of our Constitution and “Individual Rights”—never “collective” rights.

    Horowitz needs to pursue the “whole” Truth—which includes Natural Laws (US Foundation) and the ideology that our “Rights come from God”—never from the State (homosexual “marriage” which is irrational (Right Reason is essential for Just Law). People do not have the Right to force Vice on others and their children—to brainwash them to think perversions are “natural” and “good’–in a “Justice” (Virtue) System.

    Marxism is irrational—that is why words such as “marriage” are being made meaningless to remove Traditions/Knowledge from the children and it removes the concepts and understanding of the Past.

    This is intentional Marxism—destroy the language and you destroy the understanding of all Traditions/Culture which can’t be transmitted to the children. Utopian countries have to destroy the Natural Family so mothers and fathers will be nonexistent (dehumanization)—that Natural Right of every child—-the Natural Duty of parents (raise biological children) has to be upheld in American jurisprudence—to promote Virtue which is necessary for Freedom.

    Promoting Virtue is the ONLY purpose of government. Justice is the “Queen of Virtue”.

    There is SO much more productive things David needs to focus on—he has done lots of “good” on universities. He can do more—against Common Core–and the complete brainwashing of our next generation which will totally destroy the USA.

    • Texas Patriot

      Wow. Great post!

  • Nick

    Horowitz,

    Was John Guardiano “not playing with a full deck” when he wrote Yes, American University Is Practicing De Facto Censorship then?

    Were you “not playing with a full deck” when you published that article?

  • TienBing

    Why is herb benty’s reply hung up when the nuthouse escapee’s foul drivel is posted immediately?

  • Nick

    Horowitz,

    Was John Guardiano “not playing with a full deck” when he wrote Yes, American University Is Practicing De Facto Censorship then?

    Were you “playing with a full deck” when you published that article on your website?

  • bob e

    this pissing match is idiotic…it smells bad & looks worse. throw some dirt on it
    will ya..

    • ziggy zoggy

      Well………it always looks bad when women squat and pee. Worst needs to STFU and just go away.

  • Douglas6

    Thank you, David, for your measured and thoughtful response. You just have to read some of the comments on the Breitbart site and here to see how unhinged some of Miss West’s advocates are. When William F. Buckley denounced the John Birch Society as a bunch of conspiracy freaks, http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/goldwater-the-john-birch-society-and-me/, he knew what he was doing. Miss West and her crew are just the latest incarnation of the John Birch Society conspiracy freak show.

    • SupremeGalooty

      Buckley was out of line with his unfortunate condemnation of the John Birch Society. They were 100% right. Buckley was 100% full of himself.

      Additionally, this further diatribe by David Horowitz was not anywhere near a “measured and thoughtful response” as you put it. While I have neither the time nor the desire to get to the truth of this matter, the personal attacks are tawdry.

      • ziggy zoggy

        You “have neither the time nor the desire to get to the truth of this matter.”

        That about sums up you Westrolls..

        • Nick

          You have claimed that the “impotent” Soviets “never managed to do anything more than temporarily occupy countries liberated by the Allies.” (see link)

          So when did Patton cross the Elbe and liberate Poland then?

          • ziggy zoggy

            Reagan broke the Iron Curtain and you use way too many sock puppet aliases to keep track of.

            You Westrolls are insane, Highlander/Nick/McCraiger or whoever you pretend to be from one second to the next.

          • Nick

            You have claimed that the “impotent” Soviets “never managed to do anything more than temporarily occupy countries liberated by the Allies.” (see link)

            When exactly did Patton cross the Elbe and liberate Poland then?

        • SupremeGalooty

          What’s WITH you? Your behaviour here is shaggy, shoddy, and contemptible. Did I forget to mention moronic?

          • ziggy zoggy

            You forgot to take your Mydol.

          • laura

            you need to contact the site. i had some of his comments deleted last month. they said if there are more complaints about him, he will be banned.

    • RCraigen

      Unhinged, you say? I’ll show you unhinged. Specifically the top (by number of posts) defender of Horowitz here. I present:
      http://disqus.com/ziggy_zoggy/

      • Highlander

        That is one sad, attention-seeking individual right there.

        It’s interesting to see Horowitz damage his own reputation with every post that troll makes though. Long may it continue – Horowitz’s mask has slipped, big time.

        The red in him runs deep.

        • ziggy zoggy

          Yes. Horowitz is a commie. So were Roosevelt, Churchill and Eisenhower.

          You Westrolls are insane.

          • Nick

            You have claimed that during and post WWII, the “impotent” Soviets “never managed to do anything more than temporarily occupy countries liberated by the Allies.” (see link)

            When exactly did Patton cross the Elbe and liberate Poland again?

          • ziggy zoggy

            When did you taste my ba ll sa ck sweat again? You said it was yummy. :)

          • Nick

            You wish!

      • ziggy zoggy

        RCraigen/Nick/Highlander/etc……….how unhinged is it to believe that the Soviets controlled the Allies in WWII and Roosevelt was a commie who should have cozied up to the N@z!$?

        You insane Westroll sock puppet douchetard d!ck licking @$$ monkey ret@rd from heII?

  • Douglas Levene

    IMHO, President Roosevelt was an awful president domestically. His domestic policies almost certainly prolonged the Depression. But he saved the world from Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan and for that the world ought to be grateful. Could the Soviet Union have defeated Nazi Germany by itself? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it would have sought an accommodation with Hitler and left Hitler to complete his conquest of Western Europe. I don’t know about Miss West, but a world dominated by Nazi Germany ranks at the top of my list of nightmares, and it surely would not have been a world kind to America.

    As for the notion that the US had the armed forces available to prevent Stalin from conquering and holding Eastern Europe, well, that’s obviously not true. What we agreed to at Yalta gave Stalin nothing that his armies didn’t already have and that we couldn’t take away from them. Maybe it would have been better to withhold “recognition” of Stalin’s conquest but that wouldn’t have changed the facts on the ground.

  • SupremeGalooty

    I have read this article by David Horowitz, and I find it to contain an inordinate amount of ad hominem attack which is unfortunate. Whether true or not, it poisons his point. This whole affair is truly a tempest in a teapot that has burgeoned into a steaming pot of excreta.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Read something else then. I hear you could buy a crazy book about Roosevelt being a commie in the bargain bin.

      • SupremeGalooty

        Sakahachi

        • ziggy zoggy

          Suckahootchie.

        • TienBing

          Will that magic word turn it back into a turnip?

          • ziggy zoggy

            Will your insanity sell a book by Daine Worst?

  • edgineer

    Radical Son was and is an excellent book. I am a fan of David Horowitz because of it and after watching him on many video interviews. But this cat fight is a real disappointment. Marxism and Socialism are big enough problems on their own. Overcome the personal jousting and concentrate on the issue.

    • SupremeGalooty

      You’ve got THAT right.

  • Tan

    I would have never expected Vladimir Bukovsky to join Dina West. Very sad. But Bukovsky will always be my hero. I think he was deceived into believing Wests’ book as “fact”.

    • TienBing

      Bukovsky apparently has a take on the issues similar to West’s.
      But what would Bukovsky know.

  • MikeNZ

    David Horowitz
    You lie like a flatfish!
    Frontpage Magazine was on my top sites list for the past 5 years or more.
    No longer.
    To regain credibility both you and Jamie Glatzov need to apologise and stop the personal attacks.
    By all means point out what you deem unacceptable but remember when you wrestle with a pig in the mud, all that happens is you get dirty and the pig likes it.
    Desist.

  • ziggy zoggy

    Diane Worst made plenty of stupid mistakes in her bargain bin book but one of them in particular was unforgivable and has to be acknowledged by her lunatic WESTROLLS. She actually argued that the Allies should have joined with the N@z!s against the impotent Stalin and his equally impotent Soviet “Union.” She did not argue that Patton should have been allowed to crush the Soviets in 1945 after the worldwide threat of Germany had been beaten. No, brilliant military strategist that she is, she argued that the Allies and an unreformed Germany should have joined forces against the Soviets. The same Soviets who never managed to do anything more than temporarily occupy countries liberated by the Allies. The same N@z!s who committed unspeakable atrocities and had the full capability of inflicting the same kind of atrocities on the entire world.

    West is a dingbat at best, and a screeching harridan at worst…..pun intended.

    • Highlander

      The impotent Soviet Union that never managed to do anything more than temporarily occupy countries liberated by the Allies?

      Nonsense.

      Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder.

      Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe 1944 – 1956 by Anne Applebaum.

      Disinformation by Ion Mihai Papeca.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Sock puppet, Reagan threw your commie buddies out of Europe. Their temporary occupation ended decades ago.

        • Nick

          So when did the American forces cross the Elbe and liberate Poland?

          • ziggy zoggy

            When did you suck my d!ck?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Paddon/100001252965548 Eric Paddon

            Yes, David, there he is. Your #1 fan. And he’s your responsibility until you tell him to get his lips off your rear end.

          • newsel

            You really are a nasty piece of work…no doubt you exist as a paid troll on the 41st floor in Chicago.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Chomo.

          • ziggy zoggy

            How many aliases can you use on one thread, you WESTROLL LUNATIC.

          • Albert Tatlock

            You do realise it’s me who’s flagged your comments & got the moderators to delete them don’t you?

            How do you feel about that?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Paddon/100001252965548 Eric Paddon

      When Ziggy isn’t being a porno-toilet obsessed misogynist, he then decides lying will serve his purpose.

      Nowhere does West ever call for support of “unreformed’ Germany in her book and you are challenged to provide one quote where it says that. What you *will* find is West echoing academic points of view made in the past by the likes of Thomas Fleming (“The New Dealers War”) who say that ‘unconditional surrender’ was a bad idea that (1) kept Hitler in power longer and thus extended the Death Camps (2) undermined genuine anti-Nazi resistance inside Germany that wanted to kill Hitler, such as the assassination plot of 1944 in which the great Christian martyr Dietrich Bonhoeffer was involved with (Ziggy in fact libels all of the German martyrs against Hitler by characterizing them as Nazis. It’s amazing what having your lips welded to David Horowitz’s buttocks can do to a person) and (3) ultimately served Soviet interests for post-war Europe more than it served American interests based on the principals of the Atlantic Charter. That’s a point you can debate but those who say that means West called for an alliance with Nazis is either (1) a liar (2) an ingornamus or in the case of Ziggy, a pathetic combination of both.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Worst thinks America should have allied with Germany…….which was controlled by N@z!s………and attacked the woefully impotent Soviet Union. She is an insane Hun loving freak.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Paddon/100001252965548 Eric Paddon

          You were asked for a quote, Ziggy. Stop swinging your purse and give us one.

          • RCraigen

            Perhaps not everyone here is a World of Warcraft player. The name “ziggy zoggy” is a drunken chant in the Zandali — or troll — dialect. Bit of a giveaway there.

            FPM is a remarkable place where the trolls come to play interference on behalf of the original post against criticism that, in contrast, is well-thought out and pitched in reasonable tones. There’s been something of a down-the-rabbit-hole vibe about this whole affair.

          • TienBing

            I did not know that. It explains much.
            Celler. Pudgy. Friendless. Angry. Identifies with trolls.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Married. Strong. Ripped. Beautiful beard. Uses his real face with his screen name.

            And yeah. My d!€k is probably three times bigger than yours.

            Go back to your Star Wars convention and watch lame p 0rn in your lonely motel room. Alone.

          • Nick

            More of the same from Horowitz’s No.1 fan.

            David must be so proud.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Says the Westroll who uses ten different aliases.

            Chomo.

          • Nick

            Homophobia as well?

            David must be so proud of his website just now.

          • ziggy zoggy

            You must be so ashamed of your tiny pecker right now.

            Just send another fan tweet to Ryan Seacrest and jerk it to the latest episode of American Idol.

          • Nick

            More filth from the mind of David Horowitz’s number one fan.

            The people who fund Frontpage Magazine must enjoy seeing their reputation get dragged through the mud by a troll.

            Goodness knows why, but there it is.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Likes other men and taps on the doors in public restrooms. You chomo.

          • ziggy zoggy

            I didn’t understand a single word of that simple minded rant, but the honorable Ziggy and Zoggy predate any video game.

            Try Halo or any of the Marvel comics games. If you have to be a nerd, at least be a cool nerd.

            Worst is an ugly skank and her book is ridiculous.

  • Nick

    Horowitz,

    Was John Guardiano “not playing with a full deck” when he wrote Yes, American University Is Practicing De Facto Censorship then?

    Were you “not playing with a full deck” when you published that article on your website?

    • ziggy zoggy

      Sock. Puppet. Westroll. Lunatic. Dip$hit.

      • Nick

        You know you’ve gotten the better of a troll when you get him to do that, LOL …

        • TienBing

          silly soggy can’t help himself.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Does the foul discharge from your vaginas cause you any pain?

          • Nick

            Another vile pornographic image from the mind of Horowitz’s No. 1 fan.

            David Horowitz must be so proud.

          • ziggy zoggy

            You chomos crack me up.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Paddon/100001252965548 Eric Paddon

        Careful Ziggy, the strap in your purse will break from all that swinging to try and score any kind of effective blow for your cause. :)

        • TienBing

          Drat!
          I thought I said the magic words and banished the pudgy little goblin.
          I should have searched the site before gloating.

  • Rebecca Bynum

    “Unopposed, unchecked, these Red Army troops would ride their Lend-Lease fleets of Jeeps and Dodges deep into a Europe that was being ethnically cleansed of millions of anti-Bolsheviks by U.S. and British troops.”

    There is no possible defense for a sentence like this. No possible defense for defending someone who would express such sentiments.

    • No RNC

      What do you see erroneous about this statement? It appears to be exactly wht happened during the last phases of WW2. Are you a Denier?

      • ziggy zoggy

        The statement is insane. Just like you and every other Worstrolls.

  • logdon

    Paul Weston is that, for some, outmoded species called a gentleman.

    It’s clear that he’s not criticising David Horowitz on content but on form and I can sense his anguish that this rupture amongst the conservative elites is taking on a life of its own far beyond the original spat.

    There are comments here which also demean the commentariat and without naming names, the childishness of hyper aggressive argument filled with caps, exclamation marks and idiot symbols is quite pathetic.

    When blowhard testosterone replaces reason we are finished.

    Half the world sees the US as domineering, gun racked, idiot red necks and although this view confirms their own prejudicial, ideological and stereotyping idiocy those semi literate, half cocked and content free, hate spewing comments displayed here do not help.

    Remember Muslims read these pages and what they see either confirms to the Yanquee haters what they want to believe and to the moderates a kind of hand wringing despair.

    It’s a tough one and whilst I abhor censorship, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the momentary pause of reflection and maybe a little tactical self-restraint.

    When I was a blurt out opiniated youngster my father advised, ‘engage brain before mouth’ and he was right.

    The one great thing I can take from this, in view of what’s really happening out there, storm in a tea cup is David’s shining example of democracy in that on his very own site freedom of speech is pretty much sacrosanct.

    They’re all there, the yea and naysayers and whilst lesser mortals amongst the internet media cogniscenti will moderate what they don’t want to hear, David allows it all.

    That’s the huge difference between us and the totalitarians of the Islamic world and for that, as they say, we should be eternally grateful.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Chomo. America hates you.

    • TienBing

      “David’s shining example of democracy in that on his very own site freedom of speech is pretty much sacrosanct.”
      Agreed

  • Texas Patriot

    Actually, by his vicious and unprovoked attacks on Diana West, personally and professionally, David Horowitz has done the Authentic American Conservative movement an enormous favor. Now we know that it’s entirely possible for totalitarian Communists to have “sleeper cells” just like totalitarian Islamists. And what better way for a Communist to hide his true colors than to publish an Conservative website with a stable of excellent Conservative writers? Unfortunately, in his obvious and abject hatred of all things truly Conservative, it would appear Mr. Horowitz got carried away and forgot the need to maintain his carefully constructed charade and masquerade. What a pity.

    • RCraigen

      My sympathies fall clearly on West’s side on this matter. But I don’t believe for a moment that Horowitz, or Radosh for that matter, have motives or values that could in any way be characterized as a “totalitarian Communist sleeper cell”. I rather suspect they are impeded by historical blinders and pride, hubris and the arrogance of authority as gatekeepers of orthodoxy. It will be hard enough for them to walk this back — we needn’t make it harder by tossing ludicrous and unsubstantiated accusations, TP. I understand the temptation (and I believe your intentions are more deliberate hyperbolics than serious analysis; perhaps you should end such comments with a wink. But let’s try not to drag down the level of debate … leave that to old Ziggy).

      I do think you’re right, though, that this episode is, in the long picture, a rather good thing for conservatives. Though it’s painful to have it out in public, I’m hoping that all the details are washed out and thoroughly processed. We’ll be both stronger in the end, and that much closer to seeing history clearly (regardless of which side is seen to have the weight of evidence). And many more of us will be that much better informed. Conservatives don’t hide under rocks; we operate in the light. We don’t live by bumper-sticker slogans but by generations-deep wisdom and honest analysis of newly-gleaned data. Our strength is our commitment to truth. We can’t agree on all things but I have faith that even in disagreement we can find a way to work together for our common values. I don’t envy Horowitz (et al)’s position here; I’m afraid it’s a bit of a valley to reach that high road again — but I believe he’ll find his way.

  • Highlander

    Was this writer not playing with a full deck? Is he batty?

    Was Horowitz when he published the article?

    http://frontpagemag.com/2010/john-r-guardiano/yes-american-university-is-practicing-defacto-censorship/

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Paddon/100001252965548 Eric Paddon

      I won’t hold my breath waiting for David to respond to that, anymore than I expect him to be a MAN and repudiate his little Igor toady of a fan, Ziggy to show he has integrity. His approach it seems is to stick his finger in his ears and go “HMMMMMMMMMMM!” to drown out all factual points of rebuttal raised against him. Brilliant job tracking that down and throwing it back in his face.

      • Highlander

        Yeah, he has avoided that one like the plague.

        • ziggy zoggy

          Yeah. You and Eric Pack@$$ like to play sock puppet.

          Worst is insane and you Worstrolls are even worse. Take your meds.

        • ziggy zoggy

          Sock puppet chomo sapient.

        • ziggy zoggy

          Cho and mo.

  • ziggy zoggy

    Dude. Just how impotent and masochistic are you? I have humiliated your Westroll bung up and down this thread. Nearly 2000 comments and I have slammed you in nearly every one.

    Give it up, loser.

    • Al Swearengen

      It would be amusing to have you as a student.

      Amusing to me, that is.

      For you, not so much …

  • Gareth

    I have read Diana West’s book. I found it fascinating. Is it accurate? That is hard to tell; unless Russia decides to publish the archives of the Comintern, there will always be some uncertainty about what it achieved. I have read radosh’s review, and found it cheap, nasty and misleading,

    • ziggy zoggy

      Sock. Puppet.

    • ziggy zoggy

      You did not read Worst’s book. It is not even available at the Amazon back list. All three published copies were bought by Worst herself.

      Nobody will ever read it.

  • Highlander

    It’s rather astonishing to discover the David Horowitz does not believe that Bukovsky and Stoilov are capable of independent thought!

    Horowitz has gone off the deep end, no question about it.

    Either that or … his mask has slipped.

  • ziggy zoggy

    Yeah. You are one of the few sane commentators on this thread. It has been hijacked by John Bircher Wrstrolls who use multiple sock puppet aliases.

  • redwood05090

    You should give th elady room to breathe, no need to be a misantrop!

  • Nick

    From what I’ve read, and that would be mainly Brit authors such as Sir Max Hastings & Sir Martin Gilbert, rather than Yank writers, the amount of equipment sent through to the Soviets during the war varied greatly, and only reached the levels promised by the Brits & the Yanks sporadically.

    When I visited the Imperial War Museum in London a couple of years ago there was a sign up on the wall saying that being in the merchant navy was the most dangerous thing you could do in the war. Yet the seamen of the Arctic Convoy only received medals this year, in 2013.

  • ziggy zoggy

    Exactly. She actually wrote that America should have allied itself with the N@z!s. she is a vile lunatic and her Westroll minions are even worse.

    There are some things nobody should do for money.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Paddon/100001252965548 Eric Paddon

      Quit swinging your purse, Ziggy, and tell us where this quotation is to be found in West’s book about allying with the Nazis.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Every page. Along with her claims that Roosevelt and Churchill were commies.

        Nut bag.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Check her footnotes, douchewipe. Any insane claim is authentic so long as it is annotated, right?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Paddon/100001252965548 Eric Paddon

          Quit swinging your purse, Ziggy, and tell us where this quotation is to be found in West’s book about allying with the Nazis. (My, but you’re trying to make up for all those posts of yours that just seemed to….disappear)

        • Nick

          After you’ve told us when exactly the American forces crossed the Elbe and liberated Poland.

          In your fantasy world.

  • ReyR

    It is not “astonishing to discover that David Horowitz does not believe … Bukovsky capable of independent thought”. Bukovsky was born to be in opposition. He fought against Brezhnev, he hated Yeltsin, now he combats Putin. After Bukovsky petitioned to restore Russian nationality he was granted his passport, and then he almost immediately made a declaration that he wants to reject it (see his interview, where he said, “There’s no place where I belong”). And then, quite logically, after 30 years of living in exile, he decided that Russia was ready to elect him the President – and was nominated by a bunch of clowns. The Federal Election Commission turned down Bukovsky’s application on December 22, 2007, claiming that he failed to disclose information on his source of income, and the fact that he was a British resident, and that he has not been living in Russia over the past ten years. Bukovsky challenged the rule in the Supreme Court on December 28, 2007.
    I am writing this to say that Bukovsky – advertised by some as a political giant – is just another cranky habitual dissenter, often lucky to be forgiven and forgotten just for as a bantam weight – the libertarian Bukovsky has zero credibility.

    • RCraigen

      Actually ReyR even with your barbed version of his history you demonstrate clearly that Bukovsky is impeccably credentialed as an independent thinker. I’m beginning to think this dust-up has a silver lining: Let us hope it teaches many more conservatives that we don’t need more sheep.

      • ReyR

        An independent thinker? Rather, a compulsive dissenter and social misfit who can’t help himself. According to you, each barking dog running loose qualifies as an independent thinker.

        • TienBing

          Are you talking about Thomas Paine?

          • ReyR

            Wow, the comparison! Bukovsky = Paine.
            Will you be equating de Blasio with Lenin next?

          • TienBing

            Paine was considered a malcontent (compulsive dissenter), a rabble rouser, and a social misfit by those who disagreed with his passionate orations and writings concerning freedom and resistance to tyrants.
            I didn’t claim Bukovsky = Paine. That is your own barking echoing in your mind.
            You see parallels between de Blasio and Lenin? I don’t. de Blasio is merely a cheap run of the mill Democrat pol. Lenin was truly dangerous

          • ReyR

            TienBing, 你他妈的走狗别冲着我嚎啦.
            天兵吗? 天病吧.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Thanks Rey. I would never have researched Bukovsky if it weren’t for you.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Paddon/100001252965548 Eric Paddon

        Yes, because as we have learned, you are a lazy welfare-state style individual who believes in doing no work yourself. :)

  • Albert Tatlock

    In what way did Ms. West inspire the two gentlemen in question to write their article?

    More nonsense from the fantasist Horowitz.

  • Gloria Stewart

    it is a shame that the dispute between Diana West and David Horowitz – and by inference, Professor Ronald Radosh – has to continue. Conservatives should not use circular firing squads. That said, I am afraid that Frontpagemag has to take the responsibility for starting the unpleasantness regarding the review of her book. The reviews were snide, nasty, and often consisted of ad hominem attacks. They were completely out of place. They misrepresented – I have to believe with some intent – what she actually wrote. The title of one of Professor Radosh’ reviews, McCarthy on Steroids, set the tone. Ms West fought back. Good for her.

    Lets start with the use of Ms Wests phrase “de facto occupation”. Perhaps we can get it out of the way once and for all. Did Messrs Horowitz and Radosh really think that Ms West meant the United States under the presidency of Franklin D. Roosevelt was occupied in the sense of a military occupation or martial law? Are you guys really that literal minded? If she had used “occupation” or the phrase “for all intents and purposes under occupation” would you have been happier? Yes, we know that de facto means “in fact. It is often used as a modifier to indicate that the word which follows is not true in a legal sense and should not be taken literally. It is often opposed to the term de jure. To give an example, after the United States Supreme Court outlawed segregation, many southern states managed to accomplish de facto segregation even though it was not de jure.

    I doubt that Messrs Horowitz and Radosh question the presence of Soviet agents in the State Department and other sensitive government agencies. We are not talking about the Bureau of Wild Life and Fisheries. There were a significant number, and both President Roosevelt and Harry Hopkins were subject to their influence. So, American policy, which should have been run in the best interests of the United States, was run to some extent by people whose interests lay in what was best for the Soviet Union. We do not know alternate history, nor can this matter be quantified. I would call this de facto occupation. If Messrs Horowitz and Radosh do not, perhaps they can give us a number for Soviet agents and sympathizers that would make this statement true to their satisfaction. A Senate committee labelled the actual number in the high hundreds.

    Ms West also dealt with the late days of the war in which it seemed that battles were prolonged and not fought in the optimum way and that anti Communist forces were not utilized. The beneficiary of this was the USSR. Messrs Horowitz and Radosh claim she has no military background that would entitle her to say this. That may be so, but that is exactly the point of view taken and elucidated by the late General George Patton. I assume his credentials are not in question. At least Ms West is in good company.

    • PAUL WESTON

      Beautifully – and damningly – put, Ms Stewart.

    • TienBing

      Bravo!

      • ziggy zoggy

        “Gloria Stewart” is inane and stupid enough to be a paid Diane Worst troll.

        Of course.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Gayo!

        • Nick

          Homophobia now? Really?

          Mr. Horowitz must be so proud of his No. 1 fan.

        • TienBing

          Encore!

    • Nick

      John Guardino wrote an article entitled Yes, American University Practices De Facto Censorship which was published, where else – Frontpage Magazine.

      Strangely, Mr. Horowitz does not appear to think that Guardino is “batty” or “not playing with a full deck”.

      And of course, Horowitz himself ran the article.

      And he didn’t feel the need to have Ron Radosh write a “takedown” of Guardino’s article either.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Maybe you could hang out with Diane Worst and Bill Clinton so you could debate the definition of words like” the” “and” or “de facto.”

      Moron.

  • ziggy zoggy

    Worst claimed America should join the N@z!s. deal with it, whack job.

    You skinhead scumbags are beneath contempt.

  • ziggy zoggy

    Insane Westroll sock puppet freaktards.

  • jsolbakken

    If David Horowitz thinks that Ziggy Zoggy is helping his cause, then David Horowitz is not the intelligent and thoughtful person I assumed he was. Someone needs to tell David that Ziggy Zoggy is *fronting* him off and blowing his cover, man!!!

  • redwood05090

    The shrill tone with which Horowotz, Radosh etc…is poisonous and unbecoming. I am no scholar or an expert. We all have some minor familiarity with this squalid history, each from a different point of view. Both of these males, were raised by reds, Ms. West was raised by a declared Conservative. She has her point to make, and even if she may not present the same scholarly precision that they demand, is there a good reason to put her down in such manner? One can ask questions without being nasty. if a Soviet like the surviving Bukowski who suffered from the cruel Communists has something positive to say, why would a born again Conservative, one who got totally duped to become an editor of Rampart, the Socialist tool for the lost 60′th “useful idiots”, be so upset when a woman coming from the other side of the political fence wishes to present her views. Once again, one can see in plain view how the petulant, spoiled Lefties , turned ” champions” of the conservative cause, cannot deal with another view. Leave the woman alone, please give her a break, all you do, is tarnishing your reputation and to end?

  • bob e

    piggy poggie…makin’ this blog relevant…

  • TienBing

    Well I’ll be… I called him silly-soggy and he went away. Why didn’t I do that sooner?

    • ziggy zoggy

      Because I have a life and you don’t.

      Little chomo.

  • Paardestaart

    Mister Horowitz – this is not about ‘Radosh and You’; you are not important in this, and neither is ‘Radosh’. You are making an inexplicable fool of yourself if you present yourself as a victim of ‘an attack’ by Diana West; to Bukovsky, of all people. Methinks the man has other fish to fry than ‘you and Radosh’
    Your positioning vis a vis miss West’s book is incomprehensible – what has gotten into you??

    • ziggy zoggy

      Chomo Sapien nebbish.

  • ziggy zoggy

    Diane Worst wishes America had allied itself with the Ratzis in WWII.

    That is irrefutable, despicable and idiotic.

    You have a warm tingle creeping up your leg just thinking about it. Don’t you, boy?

  • Al Swearengen

    Stop crying David!

    It’s unmanly.

    • Texas Patriot

      Al Swearengen: “Stop crying David! It’s unmanly.”

      He’s not crying. He’s pretending to be the victim. Why? He has to. He and Radosh initiated the attacks, and viciously mugged Diana West both personally and professionally. Now he’s trying to shift the blame to her because she’s fighting back. What a nice guy.

  • gray_man

    “The storm she has created over a bad review of her book, American Betrayal, had reached a point where the controversy was no longer about the issues but purely personal and destructive.”

    Let’s be honest David … the purely personal and destructive parts were started by Ron Radosh and yourself.
    An apology from both of you to Diana West would be appropriate.

    You don’t have to agree with her assessments, but you both did the leftist trick of smearing your opponent, and you did it first.
    Shameful.

  • Texas Patriot

    RCraigen: “I don’t believe for a moment that Horowitz, or Radosh for that matter, have motives or values that could in any way be characterized as a ‘totalitarian Communist sleeper cell’.”

    Your guess is as good as mine about that. I don’t know Horowitz and Radosh from radishes and asparagus, and I can’t imagine what possessed them to attack Diana West and her book in the way that they have. But I do know a personal and professional hatchet job when I see one. Horowitz and Radosh started this mess, and if they want to redeem themselves, there is an easy way out of this quagmire. All they have to do is apologize.

    • RCraigen

      Agreed. I find it hopeful that they haven’t shut dissenting voices out of the comments, that’s a sign of good faith, such as it is. But they are characterizing our voices rather uncharitably, especially in light of the tone of comments on the other side.

      • Texas Patriot

        They’re like two goons who got caught mugging a woman in a dark alley. They thought they could get away with it and the woman would walk away too embarrassed and ashamed to talk about what happened. Instead she’s fighting back and everyone on main street is stopping to see what’s going on. Now Horowitz is claiming he’s the victim. I’m not seeing any charity or remorse from either one of them.

        • Nick

          Radosh is 0 for 4 now; first Ann Coulter bitch-slapped him, then Diana West, then Stanton Evans, and now Bukovsky and Stroilov.

          You’ll notice he’s disappeared now & left his lapdog to do his dirty work for him.. Probably tuckered out from all those beatings & taken to his bed.

  • Nick

    Is John Guardiano “batty”?

    Is John Guardiano “not playing with a full deck”?

    Does John Guardiano have an “obtuse mind”?

    http://frontpagemag.com/2010/john-r-guardiano/yes-american-university-is-practicing-defacto-censorship/

    What about you?

    After all, you published his article.

  • PassThePopcorn

    Please keep this discussion going.,…There’s nothing more entertaining than seeing hardcore ideologues tear it up over cuckoo-bird history books. But then, I’m a liberal Democrat.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Paddon/100001252965548 Eric Paddon

      WHich means you no doubt think the genuine cuckoo books of Howard Zinn, Eric Foner et. al constitute “serious” scholarship.

      • PassthePopcorn

        Zinn and Foner are not my type–much too ideological. I’ll take my cold war history from John Lewis Gaddis, Ernest May, Vojtech Mastny, Melvyn Leffler, and Allen Weinstein. You know, serious scholars. Watching you guys argue over fine points of hard right doctrine and how someone’s family origins “prove” they are a communist deep down is like watching a bunch of old CPUSA guys argue with a bunch of old NYU Trotskyites….comical.

        I’ll have my next bowl with some of that Old Bay seasoning on it. Spicy……

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Paddon/100001252965548 Eric Paddon

          I’m a former student of Gaddis’s actually. Some commendable stuff but he is part of that group that hesitates from addressing the deeper picture of the impact of what spying had on the shaping of US policy. But the point you miss is that I take the view that the Evans/West perspective is legitimate to the discussion for consideration and Radosh simply wants it kept out, which is what I’m objecting to. Radosh believes there should only be one “anti-Communist” perspective and that’s where he’s getting raked over the coals. As for Leffler, his recent study tried to place the blame on the Cold War for the unreasonableness of anti-Soviet policymakers which in the end proves his valuelessness on this subject. The point of Evans/West is to note that at critical junctures, anti-Soviet advisors were the ones being kept silent while pro-Soviet advisors and in some cases spies were exercising disastrous influence.

          • PassthePopcorn

            And I’m a former student of Ernest May’s. But your reply highlights the big difference between how we approach evaluating historical work. Like all ideologues, you measure how closely a given piece of work conforms to your ideological commitments. I prefer to measure how evidence is mustered in support of logical arguments. By your standard, the West book is a legitimate contribution to the literature on the Cold War. By mine, it’s agitprop for the converted. But if a book starts these kinds of public playground fights on the hard right, I’m all for it.

            Orville Redenbacher for Speaker of the House!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Paddon/100001252965548 Eric Paddon

            Your presumption that your own perspective is free of “ideology” does not, I fear, pass the smell test. In endorsing someone like Leffler who ultimately makes what I would call an ideological argument of his own about the supposed badness of US policymakers who did not encourage some kind of kumbaya rapprochment with an evil regime in the late 1940s, you are in the end, like it or not siding with someone who is making an ideological argument that the heinous nature of the Soviet state and its conduct deserved no consideration in the shaping of our policy. It is not a “non-ideological” perspective.

            West’s book is indeed a popular account for a wider audience but one that nonetheless restates for that audience, arguments made in academic works by Evans and Romerstein. The point is not that I agree 100% with West (I don’t), but that she expresses a perspective that is not part of some oddball fringe territory as Radosh/Horowitz attempted to characterize it. One that is certainly more legitimate than say the Howard Zinn perspective (or more legitimate than the William Appleman Williams perspective that held too much sway in our diplomatic histories for far too long; there was a case where an exercise in so-called “revisionism” was fawned over if it served a particular ideological purpose, in this case blaming America for the Cold War. OTOH, if “revisionism” is employed to suggest a new look at McCarthy, then WATCH OUT!)

            What’s impressive about the work of Evans/Romerstein is that it does utilize evidence which West does amplify on and ask us to consider. Evidence that is usually not considered in other works (such as Gaddis for instance). To suggest your authors have been flawlessly thorough to the nth degree and thus immunize themselves from charges of being an “ideologue” is again, not going to be credible.

    • Texas Patriot

      I’m glad you’re enjoying it. You can think of this as Republican war games. By the time we’re finished, we’ll have more than enough troops and ammunition to Deep Six your party once and for all.

    • RCraigen

      It must be entertaining. I’ll provide you with some colour commentary. You see, conservatives have these things called principles…

  • semus

    It appears that someone is deciding to not post certain blogs. I had commented on this column and they don’t seem to be here any longer. So whoever did this put them back. I was critical of Mr. Horowitz’ but I didn’t use profanity. I did question is motives and I still do. I’m sorry to say because I had so much respect for him once.

  • Shortall

    David is one of the greatest fighters for freedom & humanity ever. David is one of my favorite people ever. I thank God for David everyday. I ve been in the presence of many great heroes from WW1 (grandparents,etc), WW2& Korea (Dad & Uncles& friends` Dads , etc), Nam( cousins, friends…etc)… & all these young guys ( Iraq & Afghanistan), … David is right up there in my book.

  • Camille Cazedessus

    Sir: According to DECISION AT YALTA, FDR and Winston were so ignorant of Polish and Russian geography, they were incapable of responding properly to Stalin’s demands, and he used their ignorance to hoodwink both of them!