It’s the Message and Yes the Messengers — NOT the Voters


Bruce Thornton, a highly intelligent and eloquent writer is one hundred percent wrong in attributing the Republican election loss to the alleged fact that 47% of the country are now “takers” from government. If Thornton is right, how is it that Republicans were the minority party in 1960 and 1964, before Medicare and all the entitlements that followed the Great Society programs were in place? I say that 47% takers is an “alleged fact” because millions of veterans receive benefits that they made sacrifices for, and millions of older people receive medicare and social security assistance that they also paid for. Moreover, millions of Republican voters are among these so-called takers, and millions more have children who took government loans to get through college.

Asian Americans voted 70% for Obama. Because they are takers? These are entrepreneurial, traditional value, family oriented Americans. They have Republican values. They are welfare averse. Yet they voted for Obama because he persuaded them that he cared about minorities, and Republicans didn’t. That is they didn’t communicate to America’s minority populations that they cared for them. It’s always so easy to blame others for your own screw ups.

The 2012 campaign was all about message. Romney and the Republicans were tarred and feathered for imaginary crimes – wars against women (no free contraceptives), minorities and the middle class. The Democrats’ message machine blistered their opponents day in day out. Anyone remember a Republican attack ad? Republicans didn’t lay a finger on Obama and the Democrats for their wars against women, minorities and the middle class. They hardly mentioned the suffering of these groups under Obama’s policies. They didn’t dare raise the issue of his betrayal of all our soldiers who gave their lives in Iraq to keep it from falling into the hands of Iran. They were silent over his criminal betrayal of our embassy in Benghazi, and the fact that he has aided and abetted the Muslim Brotherhood in its conquest of the Middle East. That he is supplying weapons to Al-Qaeda.

There is a famous poem by Bertolt Brecht called The Solution about the revolts against the Soviet occupation of East Germany. It’s a sad day when Frontpage and a gifted writer like Bruce Thornton embrace this solution:

The Solution

After the uprising of the 17th of June
The Secretary of the Writers Union
Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?

  • reader

    Yes, David. You could start naming names too: the Karl Roves, Steve Schmidts and Matt Rhoads need to be chased out of town for good. These guys are cowards and suckers for the same media they're excuse themselves with. They feel free to get nasty with conservatives but are afraid to touch the commies.

  • BLJ

    The MSM is to be held accountable as well. They gave Obama another free pass in 2012. If they went after Obama like they did his fellow Hawaiian Manti Teo the turd would be out of office.

    I do agree that the Republicans need to play hard ball. Romney should have went after Obama's lack of character in those debates. Right to his bony face.

    • Viet Vet

      Romney should have grabbed Obummer by those huge ears and shook the friggen communism right out of him.

    • semus

      Romney had a duel personality. He had no problem attacking and destroying his Republican rivals, he never laid a glove on Obama and he never tried to. He took all the rotten insults and lies from the left and never fought back. He and many others were a big let down.

      Strangely all of the Republican leaders and conservative pundits joins in the attack of anyone that showed that showed courage and told the truth. Look at how they abandoned and attacked Michele Backmann. I don't see how they'll ever recover, the left certainly hasn't let up the attacks on them. They'll gladly grind them into dust, in between laughing at them.

      The Bengazi dog and pony whitewash will take place tomorrow. I suspect that's all it will be, God forbide anyone speak the truth about Hillary Clinton.

  • poetcomic1

    Romney…Romney who?

  • Gayle

    Romney was savage in attacking his opponents during the Republican primaries. But when time came to meet Obama on the playing field, he was timid, hesitant… meek. If he had gone after Obama with a quarter of the gusto with which he stomped his Republican challengers, we might have had a Repub president sworn in today.

    This, and the fact that not one Republican leader has questioned eyebrow-raising voting totals in some cities, has had me shaking my head for months.

    The Republicans, at this point, just need to swirl down the bowl. They're more than happy to sell out their white conservative base, with Boehner whimpering and cringing the whole way. They've become simply sickening.

    I pray that an upside to this last election is that perhaps – PERHAPS – middle class, non-urban Americans will wake up before we are irretrievably enslaved.

    • Susan Wilcox

      Absolutely agree, Gayle…I am in shock at the fact we didn't go after Soros and his cheating machines. The truth is, MOST of our country did, in fact, vote for Romney, and we DO HAVE THE GUTS to stand up because we ARE a majority in reality. Did you catch the Sherrif's association's response to Obama trying to change gun laws? THEY WILL NOT COMPLY. Period…that's Romney's supporters who are TRULY the silent majority.

  • Victor

    It is the voters, their education or lack thereof and the total ignorance about economics. But what stands out most is the " I am entitled society" which is now the foundation of this country. Everyone is entitled to something, government hand-out, unemployment, healthcare, a job, a passing grade for failing since it's not fair for anyone to fail while other succeed. That is the problem. However, like every problem there will be consequences if not resolved. This is a country of over 300 million people and it will take some time, may be 10 years, but the pain will be here and it will be painful.

    • Questions

      Finally, someone here gets it right.

      • davarino

        cont

        I would suggest term limits only for republicans. That way we can be sure they havent been dirtied. The telling thing would be to see how hard the dems protest this proposal for their repub buddies. This would mean they dont want to lose their shills in the red states.

        WE ARE BEING SOLD OUT

        • davarino

          Oops again, the "cont" above was supposed to go below.

    • davarino

      Oops, I gave you a thumbs up when I intended a thumbs down. I agree with David in that we pretty much have always had a percentage of takers, but I believe they can be persuaded to do what is right. Look at what Raegan did. With his MESSAGE he was able to convince even dems to side with him because they understood the MESSAGE. He did this while establishment repubs turned their noses up at him, like he was some pariah. It drove the dems crazy because they couldnt fight the truth he was speaking. The opposite is true of the repubs. They are afraid to utter a peep. Its as if their masters, the dems, have something on them and arent allowing them to speek. During this last election I thought their was enough ammo against the dems their was no way they could win, but the repubs just sat their silent. Oh they threw out a few smoke bombs just to make it look like they werent totall sell outs. For my part, I am finally done with the current repub party. They will not get another dime from me till I see the fire in their bellies again, and I am afraid that wont happen till we clean house and get some new people in their that havent been compromised.

  • κατεργάζομαι

    .
    CAMPAIGN VOICE OF ROMNEY; "Mr. President Obama is a nice person……."

    It is supremely difficult not to make a sound argument for a THIRD CONSERVATIVE PARTY!

    After all, Conservatives have been screwed by the GOP Elite for MORE THAN 50 years!

    ..the GOP was seduced into Romney by charming TROJAN POLITICOS like:
    ~John Cornyn, and John Boehner,
    ~Ann Coulter, Karl Rove, Governor Christie, Jan Brewer,
    ~ Mitch Daniels, Bill Kristol and others.

    ……..Ronald Reagan would have wiped out Obama in an History-making LANDSLIDE!

    How many times must Conservative Voters hold their nose to vote for second rate Eastern Establishment cronies whom are pre-selected by those whom do not share our values?

  • Johnconrad

    When the Reform Party movement swept across Canada, it so frightened the Liberal majority that they started paying DOWN their national debt in the 1990's.

    Stephen Harper has done a masterful job as Prime Minister – and 20 short years after being blown to bits in an election where the "Progressive Conservatives" managed to win only 2 seats, Canada is now to the RIGHT of the United States on issues that count.

    I used to wonder if it was only a matter of time before the English speaking provinces merged with the United States. Now, I fear the States that promise our nascent energy boom will petition to join Canada!

    Who could blame them if they did?

    AND… for all the people who insist on whining about the media like that will make some sort of difference, the Canadian media is just as shamelessly left-wing as ours.

    So, that's no excuse.

    • Mary Sue

      That would be hilarious and awesome. The Council of Canadians, bastion of the crazy left headed by Maude Barlow in Canada, is still as far as I know in the fetal position, paranoid forever of a US Takeover of Canada, not realizing that the people in power in USA right now are their ideological brethren who support the same garbage they do.

      Yeah the Canadian Media, especially the CBC is biased as ****. The only exception is Sun News Network which is FAR superior to Fox News. Nothing against Fox News, it's just that Sun News is better.

      I remember when the Tories were obliterated after Mulroney's disaster. Meech Lake and Charlottetown Accords (the special rights for Quebec crap) pissed a lot of people off. Then Kim Campbell and her "Orders In Council" (kind of like Executive Orders but in Canada and by a Government Minister rather than the head of state) that banned "assault weapons" (anything with a telescoping stock, pistol grip on a long barrel, etc.) ran roughshod over everything. Then the Liberals got in and made things worse while the Reform Party finally convinced the Conservatives that going back to Conservatism was a good idea. It took a long time, and was a lot of hard work, but the results are evident today.

      Anyone who wants to go back to Liberal rule after this is either senile or masochistic.

    • Fritz

      My main problem with Harper's Conservative government is that while they have made major strides on a few issues they haven't gone far enough on others. When the Canadian Alliance merged with the Progressive Conservative Party the P.Cs had under 10,000 members while the Canadian Alliance had more then 150,000, yet they entered as equal partners. Since that time, though it's obliviously weakening as time goes by, the former P.C segment of the current Conservative Party has a disproportionate influence on policy for what amounted to a junior partner in the merger. This was the height of stupidity to agree to this since the P.Cs were in rapid decline, in debt and losing membership by the day, the P.Cs are to the Conservatism what John McCain and Lindsey Graham are to the Republican party, neo statists. Basically they are Liberals who didn't like Pierre Trudeau but still believe in big government.

  • Ghostwriter

    I think the conservative movement needs better messengers.

  • Chezwick

    The biggest problem with Romney's message was that he came across like a used-car salesman, promising us the moon. He was going to cut the deficit dramatically, without touching SS and Medicare, while dramatically increasing defense spending. One of the few utterances of Obama during the campaign that was actually true was his insistence that Romney's "numbers just don't add up."

    Having said all that, I reluctantly admit that I'm closer to Thornton on this one than I am David. I think Obama won because he represented the party of entitlement….and that's what the American people want. But I hope to God that David is right, because if he is, there is hope. If he isn't, the Dems have forged a permanent majority.

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  • objectivefactsmatter

    My belief is that the Saudis are funding both sides, and while the Democratic Party has fewer qualms about pursuing the Saudi agenda, the Republicans as hypocritical takers can't call them on this Islamic sharia agenda or they risk losing their blood money.

    • Drakken

      You hit the nail right on the head!

  • AnOrdinaryMan

    Yes, there is something wrong with the GOP, but I'm not sure it was Romney. Mitt ran a fairly good campaign, and yes, he should have habitually blasted Obama on Benghazi. However, the trouble lies in the ranks of the GOP management, that is, the ones who signed that lousy consent agreement, by which the GOP pledged not to fight voter fraud. This amounted to surrendering the election; because there was a terrific amount of voter fraud in every battleground state. Minimize voter fraud, and Romney wins. Also, there's evidence that Eric Cantor came by some information in October, that could have derailed Obama's campaign.(Had something to do with Benghazi) But instead of going public with it, he gave it to FBI Director Robert Mueller, who sat on it until after the election. For all of his seeming earnestness, Cantor sold us out.

    • Arlie

      B I N G O . to you and Objetive facts matter.

      THE REPUBLICANS ARE BACK STABBERS TO CONSTITUTIONAL CONSERVATIVES AND LIBERTARIANS especially the entrenched elite.

    • Viet Vet

      The democraps didn't force through 'Motor Voter', the 'Provisionary Ballot', and fight against Voter ID tooth and nail all for no reason.

  • Viet Vet

    One has to keep in mind how myopically wrong Horowitz was on the causes of the economic meltdown and that Jim Webb (D-VA) was going to be moderate.

    • Fritz

      So how was Horowitz wrong on the causes of the economic meltdown?

      • Viet Vet

        Check the archives. Basically he held that it had nothing to do with the CRA (forced subprime lending) and the housing bubble bursting, Fanny Mae buying up $6 trillion of this bad paper, and becoming insolvent, etc. I see the feds just finally corrected that little thing with subprime lending…waiting just long enough to do it so that it wouldn't be so obvious to the casual observer.

  • RonL

    David,
    You and I bother know that the left did replace the voters. There is a reason why I first read Brecht's poem in Peter Brimlow's "Alien Nation". Since 1965, we have been flooding this country with immigrants, many of whom are not predisposed to wards the Anglo-American culture. And worse, we have allowed the left to control the commanidng heights of culture (education, media, arts) to ensure that immigrations, their children, and OUR CHILDREN will hate America. We have been either snickering or fighitng PC around the edges since the 1980s, buy the Cultural Marxists have been marching through our institutions since the 1930s.
    The generation that served under or grew up under FDR's Democratic fascism was happy to support LBJ. LBJ destroyed the FDR consensus, but opened the floodgates of immigration, while funding the left with his Great Society. That is what allowed a less patriotic, less American version of McGovern to win in 2008.

    • Viet Vet

      This is true, if republicans don't get some backbone and get into this fignt the left launched against our culture, gunowners will be forced to do it for them.

  • SoCalMike

    Not just Romney and Rove but Republicans in general are too cowed and mentally conformed to fight or even realize the need to fight.
    As Obama and Biden smeared, lied and insulted their way through Romney and Ryan, Romney and Ryan for the most part responded by quoting economic statistics.
    They showed up to a gun fight with their ice cream cones and sprinkles.
    Guess who won??

  • VLParker

    I agree totally, David. From what I read Republicans stayed home. I guess it takes more than 4 more years of Obama to motivate some people, like a Republican who is actually a conservative and has some gonads.

    When Bachmann goes out and shows her big brass ovaries the rest of the Republicans fall all over themselves to be the first one in line to condemn her and call her an extremist and a hater. She is exactly the kind of fighter we need. There are just too many wimpy Republicans out there who do not inspire people to vote.

    • Viet Vet

      I certainly agree with your second paragraph.

      • Anonymous

        John McCain needs to retire — the sooner he goes, the better.

    • Jim_C

      As a liberal, I entirely agree and hope the party applies your philosophy.

  • Anonymous

    Well, I didn't see a single Republican attack ad — but I did see some Democratic ones (including the one about Romney causing a woman's death through cancer). Maybe there needs to be some sort of standards in political ads? What's next — like Arabs, the Democrats will be accusing Republicans of sterilizing impoverished children through chewing gum? Or poisoning them with radioactivity? Actually, I suspect that the Democrats (like their Arab counterparts) need to have someone to demonize because the Democrats are so fractured into various factions — the environmentalists, the Marxists, the unionists, the feminists, etc, etc — without the demonized Republican, there would be no Democratic Party unity. (Another similarity with Arabs, btw, is Obama's style of zero compromise — Obama reminds me of Arafat — he makes outrageous demands, then if Republicans cave, Hussein simply pockets the concession and ups the demands. There is never any reciprocity.) oh, and I had to laugh at Lying Obama's plea for national unity — he really needs to go look in a mirror. But the one thing that can be counted on with Obama is his monumental lack of insight.

    • Viet Vet

      The so-called media are suppose to be the watchdogs, but they are in actuality the lapdogs for the left. Obummer knows exactly what he's doing, he's playing by Chicago Marxist Saul Alinskly's Rules for Radicals. He wears his marxism on his sleeve.

  • 120brookside

    For once, David Horowitz, along with most of the conservative establishment for that matter, has missed the forest for the trees. He is correct, of course, about the fecklessness of the Republican effort in 2012, but this was not determinative, as he suggests. Horowitz is fighting the last war, and the ground has shifted beneath his feet.

  • 120brookside

    Politics is downstream from culture, as they say, and it's common knowledge that American culture has been in a free-fall for fifty years.
    Nor should it surprise that those groups who have been most diminished during the decline – African-Americans, Hispanics, single women, and yes, Jews, have been the most receptive to Obama and what he represents. Bruce Thornton is entirely correct; in fact, he understates the case. The electorate has become debased, and more difficulty, not less, lies ahead.

  • Fritz

    I think Charles Krauthammer pretty much nailed it in looking at this through a historical context, whenever a party loses an election they think they should have won they ruminate and pout about whether they could win an election again. He argues that Romney was a weak candidate, but the Republican establishment overlooked that fact because they thought Obama was a weaker one. Everyone forgets that Romney did not win the nomination because he was the best candidate so much as he was the last one standing, was there a better alternative in the pack, perhaps, but that argument is academic. The fact remains that Romney never had to win the majority of registered Republicans to gain the nomination, therefore he was largely untested. It also did not help that he was a one term Governor of a very blue state
    over a decade ago. Just remember that Obama received two million fewer votes then he did four years ago, but that Romney also received fewer votes then McCain did four years ago .

    • reader

      On that point, Erick Erickson said that Romney had never won an election if he had not massively outspent the opponent.

  • joelsk44039

    What David Horowitz claims at the Presidential campaign level goes doubly true at the US Senate level, at least for Ohio. Sherrod Brown won re-election on a 99.9% negative campaign. The single ad that I saw on television that was positive showed an Ohio constituent being helped by Brown, which is, of course, one of his jobs. Otherwise, it was an entirely negatively focused campaign by the beloved Ohio progressive.

  • Hank Rearden

    It's too early to say we have lost the country. We won't know that until somebody makes the case and loses. Romney didn't know how to make the case. He was an executive, not a polemicist. The word on our side should have been "failure." Failure in the economy; failure in employment; failure in foreign policy; failure in the budget; failure as a strategy for America.

    Rush has said that we cannot expect to be praised by our enemies, the MSM. If Romney had run on failure, the MSM would have been shrieking about his incivility. Ryan had a great opportunity to nail laughing Joe about the administration's budget failures, which was the point he was addressing. Politics, like the law, is war by different means. You have to be able to call the other guy out when it is necessary.

    If the country rejects our case, then we have to live with that. But we won't know that until we have a candidate who can make the case. Newt could have done it, but he couldn't get to the helm.

    • Don Kosky

      Romney spoke eloquently about American exeptionalism, and many other topics. He was almost the perfect candidate. Good looking guy. Can speak well. Lovely wife. Olympic and business success. But his message was filtered. How is that his fault. Colin Powell is out there saying republicans are rascist. How do we overcome all that. Even Reagan would admit engethat the entitlement state is much more of a challenge now. I think Reagan did say that if half the country is dependent on govt we would never win another election. He only had 33% dependent. Obama had many "read my lips" broken promises. Obama was in the middle of fast and furious scandal and Bengazaigate which would have completely destroyed anyone else. We are living in different times, my opinion we are in the last days. Signs are there.

  • Don Kosky

    Your wrong Dave. Liberal media and the ignorant masses did Romney in. And those same groups destroyed Ryan, Palin, Bachman, Santorum, Gingrich. And they will destroy minorities too, like Cruz, and Rubio, and any other conservative that gets in the way of their "stuff".

  • Flicker

    Dear Mr. Horowitz,

    I tend to agree with you: I would love a man who can speak with, for example, Bill Whittle’s energy, clarity and guilelessness, and passion to run for President.

    However, we did have men like him, not too much more refined in their speech, who did run, such as Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich. Unfortunately, they were pilloried by the press. Their crimes? Hiring women who were democrats and willing to accuse them years after the fact. And being politically inexperienced. Or divorcing women. Or being politically experienced. And Even Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann were very good. Except that they showed their ultimate unsuitability for the Office by forgetting a third point in a debate, or making a rough assertion about childhood inoculations.

    But the people bought it. They cared so little to know what was at stake in the election that they accepted the smears of the press willingly. It wasn’t the message or the messenger. It was the people.

    Let me change that: they did care about what was at stake in this election and they chose what they wanted. The Democrat National Convention consisted of a very clear and unequivocal platform of: no god; advocating free sex with the elimination of any unwanted consequence; gay marriage; and abortion, phrased as “women’s health”.

    Contrast this with the moral nature of man, civilization and the universe. Romans 1 says that because men did not retain a knowledge of God, they were given over to sexual immorality, homosexuality and finally a reprobate mind, including murder, of which abortion is the most heinous.

    Government is intended to constrain evil, promote good, and protect the innocent. What the American people have done is to knowingly accept the opposite.

    Whether the message is right or no, those who voted for President Obama knew exactly what they wanted and were getting. And they got what they wanted.

  • Flicker

    And I would add: those who didn't vote at all also knew exactly what was at stake, and they got what they wanted, too.

  • Flicker

    That is the status quo.

  • LiveFreeOrDie

    I am shocked to find Mr. Horowitz saying this. Although his points are undoubtedly true, they do not contradict Mr. Thornton's article. There is a big problem with approximately 50% of the electorate, due to the aforementioned things like economic ignorance, self-interest, and illegal immigration.

  • Jim_C

    "I say that 47% takers is an “alleged fact” because millions of veterans receive benefits that they made sacrifices for, and millions of older people receive medicare and social security assistance that they also paid for. Moreover, millions of Republican voters are among these so-called takers, and millions more have children who took government loans to get through college."

    Best thing I've read on FPM in years.

    • Viet Vet

      Notwithstanding it is a non sequitur? The 47% refers to the people who do not pay federal income tax, and who Romney knew and said would not vote for him no matter what. The figure is actually 49% and growing. It was 35% when Obummer took office.

      • Jim_C

        Right, the people making an income of less than $30,000 a year may not be paying federal income tax (and are living in predominantly red states) but they are still paying everything else, including entitlements.

        Sorry–David has the right of it, here.

        • Viet Vet

          If all those people living in the innercity of blue leftist enclaves are making more than $30,000 then there is a man in the moon too. They are too busy killing each other to MAKE $30,000. They may be getting it via welfare, but they are not making it. Again, the 47% ($49%) was only a reference to federal income tax. I'm guessing that figure is over 50% now. I can pretty much guarantee that by far the majority of those people in the 47% (49%) category, both in blue commie states and red patriot states, are obummer voters. Upwards of 90% of them are on the democrap plantation.

          • Jim_C

            The 47% was not only a reference to the federal income tax, but to "victims" who "feel entitled" and who are "takers, not makers," both in the blue producer states or the red government assistance-taking states.

            And I for one encourage Republicans to keep up that line of argument.

          • Viet Vet

            The money that goes to the red patriot and producing states is mostly in the Farm Program, which is indeed a form of welfare. However you can consider it to be the 'tribute' the red states exact on the blue commie states in order to furnish the blue commie states with food stuffs, meat products, textiles, petroleum products, gas, oil, coal and energy, and precious metals.

            A 2007 study, the results of which were released in 2008, found that 35% of the population paid no federal income tax. The study also found that those people wanted the taxes raised on the people who were paying federal income taxes. Mr Romney was privy to that information even if the low-information types, like yourself, weren't. So, yes, they are takers. We know that the huge piece of the bugetary pie is entitlements. The left likes to ignorantly moan about the defense buget, but that spending is not only Constitutional spending, but is only 4.5% of GDP.

          • Viet Vet

            An addenum and extension to the end of the first paragraph should have included: 'at affordable prices'.

  • Randy CA

    It was no one thing. You both have good points.

  • Atlas_Collins

    I find it interesting that no one here mentions (or cares to admit) that the treatment meted out by the RNC establishment to the constituency of Ron Paul during the primary process effectively excluded millions of energized young people that might have made the difference in this last election.

    That's not to say that Ron Paul would have been the candidate, even if all the chicanery and cheating and outright fascist and unAmerican shenanigans by the party bosses hadn't taken place during the Primaries and the Republican Convention. But had those milling hordes of energetic young people not been shat upon by checked-pants corporate RINOs and vilified by special-interest wonks (AIPAC), then the Republican candidate would surely have garnered the several millions of votes needed to defeat Barack Obama last November.

    The fact is that millions of people did not vote for the Republican candidate specifically because of the way the party treated Dr. Paul, his ideas, his delegates and his followers. I know this for a fact because I am one of them and I know hundreds that, like me, could not bring themselves to vote for another "lesser-of-two-evils."

    The Republican party is dead.

    • Viet Vet

      Ron Paul is a moonbat!

      • Viet Vet

        And you and hundreds just like you are Obummer voters.

    • Viet Vet

      And you and hundreds just like you are Obummer voters.

  • nightspore
    • Viet Vet

      Community Agitating.

  • cathy

    Barack Obama appeased the Blacks, Muslims, hispanics (illegal immigration), gays, entitlement mentalities and the entertainment industry in a deceptive effort to get elected and … it worked.

    Alexander Fraser Tytler – (1747 – 1813) – Professor of Universal History, and Greek and Roman Antiquities – University of Edinburgh

    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

    Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.

    • Viet Vet

      If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's vote, the nation be damned.

  • cathy

    Voter Fraud in Florida Analyzed by Allen West – Sean Hannity – 11-12-12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-aVy_s76ZY

  • EarlyBird

    Yes, the GOP ran a poor campaign tactically, and allowed the Dems to slime them unfairly on social issues. But the Republicans have shown they are unserious and unable to deal with these real facts:

    Going into Iraq was an utter strategic, fiscal, military and moral disaster.
    A relentlessly bellicose foreign policy is counter-productive to America.
    Baby Bush exploded the debt.
    Lack of government regulation – not "big government" – allowed the bank industry to nearly destroy the entire world economy.
    Global warming is real. And so is evolution.
    The answer to all economic circumstances is not "lower taxes, regulations and all of our boats will float to the top!"

    The Republicans literally refuse to deal with reality as it exists on almost all issues.

  • jithran

    > If Thornton is right, how is it that Republicans were the minority party in 1960 and 1964, before Medicare and all the entitlements that followed the Great Society programs were in place?

    Because there's more than one way to lose an election.