Nelson Mandela 1918-2013

David Horowitz was one of the founders of the New Left in the 1960s and an editor of its largest magazine,Ramparts. He is the author, with Peter Collier, of three best selling dynastic biographies: The Rockefellers: An American Dynasty (1976); The Kennedys: An American Dream (1984); and The Fords: An American Epic (1987). Looking back in anger at their days in the New Left, he and Collier wrote Destructive Generation (1989), a chronicle of their second thoughts about the 60s that has been compared to Whittaker Chambers’ Witness and other classic works documenting a break from totalitarianism. Horowitz examined this subject more closely in Radical Son (1996), a memoir tracing his odyssey from “red-diaper baby” to conservative activist that George Gilder described as “the first great autobiography of his generation.”

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Nelson-Mandela’s-Top-Five-Contributions-to-HumanityMandela began as a terrorist and never turned his back on monsters like Arafat and Castro, whom he considered brothers in arms. When he was released from prison by de Klerk, he showed unexpected statesmanship, counseling reconciliation rather than revenge, no small achievement in a country in which the “liberation” movement (led by Mandela’s wife and party) placed oil filled inner tubes around the necks of former comrades and set them on fire.

But if a leader should be judged by his works, the country Mandela left behind is an indictment of his political career, not an achievement worthy of praise – let alone the unhinged adoration he is currently receiving across the political spectrum.

South Africa today is the murder capital of the world, a nation where a woman is raped every 30 seconds, often by AIDs carriers who go unpunished, and where whites are anything but the citizens of a democratic country which honors the principles of equality and freedom.

Liberated South Africa is one of those epic messes the Left created and promptly forgot about.

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  • StanleyT

    And now, Zimbabwe II?

  • http://wp.me/1Dq7l Jupiter C.

    Excellent article, author.

  • StanleyT

    While I do agree with much of this, as an ex-South African who left the country because I could no longer stand the horror of Apartheid – and because I could also no longer continue to fund it with my tax dollars – I believe we still have to give the man credit for overthrowing that country’s odious government and doing it peacefully. We all used to speak in fear of “the crunch”, dreading the day when the Blacks would take over and wreak revenge. Mandela made sure that did not happen. For that alone, I honour him now. And I fear that we can now truly anticipate “the crunch”.

    • Demetrius Minneapolis

      Peacefully? Are you on drugs?

    • Lillith66

      Peacefully?????Tell that to my three murdered family members!

    • UCSPanther

      I wouldn’t call the old car tire and gasoline lynching that was favored at the time “peaceful”…

      • StanleyT

        That was not Nelson Mandela, but Winnie.

        • Demetrius Minneapolis

          Oh, and he (just like a particular current President) had absolutely no idea this was occurring right Stanley? And you know this for a fact that he wasn’t involved (because you were there right?).

          You harp on the situation whereas he prevented a massacre. Do you ever wonder why he did it, considering his morals didn’t seem strong? The reasons Mandela would have to stop a massacre would be to avoid foreign condemnation of a new ANC government.

          Back in the early 90′s, unlike today, there would have been condemnation and perhaps sanctions against his new regime. This was not happening today where a massacre against a bunch of white strong-armed rulers and farmers would be appeased and even celebrated.

          Your knowledge of real-world politics is wanting.

          • StanleyT

            Yes, I know I have said that I will no longer engage with you, but you appear to have regained some of your adulthood, albeit without any increase in insight.

            Were you alive in the early 90s? From this comment, it would appear that you were not.

            If you think that the world would have done or said anything about the plight of white South Africans in a hypothetical massacre, then you are delusional. They were the most reviled people on the planet and the world’s reaction would have been “Well, that’s just what they deserve.” Mandela was already a saint, even before he was released from prison, and he would have been forgiven anything. Want proof? How much condemnation did you see of Mugabe’s slaughter of white farmers?

            It’s your knowledge of the real-world that is wanting.

            Now feel free to revert to childishness and silly insults and I will go back to ignoring you.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Just kindly “F” Off.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          His wife winnie.

          That’s some wife Mandela had. He sure knew how to pick ‘em.

          Mandela should take blame for his wife’s fascist actions.

          Any news from Winnie on the death of her former husband???

      • logdon

        Quaintly known a ‘necklacing’.

    • Jakareh

      If the “crunch” was inevitable—and that seems to be your opinion—then Apartheid was not a “horror”, to use the language of liberal hysteria, but a necessity. What is happening in South Africa now truly is a horror.

      But, hey, who could have guessed that turning over a modern Western nation to the Zulus could go awry?

      • StanleyT

        All of you who replied are clearly ignorant of what life was like in South Africa if you were black in the apartheid days. We whites all expected a massive black revolution. That did not happen. The fact that blacks were bitter and turned to crime was inevitable (lack of education, lack of job opportunities). The fact that they did not turn out en masse and kill every white in sight was a miracle. I do not for a moment deny that the country today is a mess and a truly scary place. I hate going there because it scares me and I wish my family would leave. In fact, I do happen to believe that any whites who still live there are deluding themselves and inviting disaster. They should get out, especially now.

        As for apartheid being a “necessity”, heaven help you if that’s what you really think.

        • Jakareh

          Except for some thousands in the ANC mafia, life is still horrible for the blacks. They’re still uneducated, turning to crime, raping and being raped, catching AIDS, etc.—in many cases to a higher degree than during Apartheid. The major difference is that now life is also horrible for whites.

          “As for apartheid being a ‘necessity’, heaven help you if that’s what you really think.”

          You spout pablum like this and yet in the sentence right before you advise all South African whites to scram even though you know they have nowhere to go. Political correctness dictates that unlike just about every Muslim, white South Africans are not to be considered refugees. There is an obvious contradiction in your position. If the reality of black rule is such that whites must leave or die, then Apartheid was justifiable, even if very likely unworkable in the long term.

          • StanleyT

            Maybe if the whites had not instituted apartheid in the first place, the results we see today would be very different. Listen, I grew up incredibly privileged. A black woman – called a “girl” – picked up my clothes from the floor, cleaned my vomit, cooked all my meals and yet was banished from my house after hours, to a tiny, dark, cold little room in the backyard. She and her husband and kids could not live together (he lived in a huge dormitory, their children lived in a “location”, out in the sticks, cared for by a grandmother), they could not share our swimming pool, they had separate eating utensils which we considered unclean, and they were even given different, lower quality food, laughingly called “boys’ meat”.

            If you think was a necessity, then I almost pity you for your heartlessness.

            As for Mandela, perhaps I have not explained myself well. You can blame him for what the ANC has become and for the fact that he was unable to pull off a major miracle that would magically make it possible for every black person to live the same privileged life of the whites. But you have to give him credit for the fact that the day after he became President, there was not a massive black on white killing spree. That’s all I’ve been saying, but the racism on this site won’t even allow that much.

            I’ve been a Frontpage habitué for a long time, but boy, this is making me think twice. Do I really want to keep company with the likes of some posters here?

          • Demetrius Minneapolis

            Utilizing emotion without any sense isn’t helpful either. Look at the wonderful state Mandela and Winnie left behind. Either way, let them eat cake, I don’t care anymore.

            They got what they wanted and live in one of the most corrupted nations on the continent, and that’s saying something. To be used and abused by your own kind is much better I suppose.
            And Stanley, if you feel that free thinking is dangerous, this place is not for you. Go on over to the NYT for what you’re looking for my friend.

          • StanleyT

            You really don’t like anyone disagreeing with you, do you? Even when I have mostly agreed with everything that’s been said here about Mandela, and tried merely to point out the one positive achievement that cannot be denied, you find it necessary to lump me in with liberal leftists.

            Once again, that says more about you than it does about me.

          • No RNC

            Yep Stanley always turns to that grand old leftist mechanism, the Race Card followed by the Po Victim Card…just go Stanley U are tiresome!

          • StanleyT

            I am frankly stunned. As I said, I have been on this site for years. Just once, I happen to disagree with the party line on one point, while making it perfectly clear that I agree with everything else, and the vitriol is palpable.

            You people are truly scary.

          • Nimo

            Facists are all ways scary.

          • StanleyT

            if you don’t like my comments, please feel free to ignore them.

          • Demetrius Minneapolis

            You started with the personal attacks and then keep changing the subject. Why don’t you do what I do Stanley, open your mind by reading something new.

            Read this and comprehend it if you can, then come back here and tell me what you think.

            http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/in-jeopardy-future-of-white-south-africans/

          • StanleyT

            This doesn’t tell me anything new, or anything I have denied. Why do you feel so threatened with the notion that Mandela did one good thing, even if he failed at everything else?

            If you haven’t already done so, be sure to read Daniel Greenfield’s article right here. He says pretty much what I’ve been trying to say – that Mandela prevented an outright civil war. However, since then, the situation has been deteriorating as each successive leader has proven to be worse than his predecessor. Mbeki was terrible, Zuma is a disaster, and heaven help the country when the next one comes along.

          • Big Jim 33

            Nothing worse than a gay with white guilt like you, Stanley. You must have done some awful things to blacks in your earlier days, to be so consumed with guilt that you now go around attacking whites at every opportunity.

          • StanleyT

            This is the best you can do? If you hadn’t already displayed your minute intellectual talents with your complete inability to reason, you have certainly done so here with your ridiculous ad hominem attack.

          • Big Jim 33

            You gays always say the exact same things, Stanley. Do you think the blacks openly accept deviant gays like you?

          • Jakareh

            Your calling Stanley a homosexual is inappropriate.

          • Big Jim 33

            Is he your boyfriend?

          • Jakareh

            I also grew up in a country in the Southern Hemisphere (not South Africa), I was also privileged, my family also had maids and also lived in a mansion with a pool. So let me tell you something: the fact your maid and her family didn’t swim in your pool, didn’t reside in a master suite inside your house, and didn’t eat beef Wellington with the boss didn’t have a thing to do with Apartheid. Virtually at all places and virtually at all times, that’s just what being a maid is like, including when there is no racial difference between employer and employee. Are you really not aware of that? By the way, I’d forgotten about the separate utensils, but now that you mention it, yeah, that’s how it was.

            I’m not saying Apartheid was good. I’m not even saying it wasn’t terrible. What I am saying is that it was better than the current situation because under Apartheid South Africa was a safe and orderly country, including for blacks, and because anything is better than the current situation. We must remember that according to your own prediction, the “crunch” is about to start.

            Perhaps it would have been better if South Africa had tried racial equality from the beginning, but I have a feeling that would only have led to full Congo conditions even sooner. After all, there are a lot of other African countries that were turned over to black rule decades before South Africa was, including the Congo, and from which we can extrapolate the results. In pretty much every case, just like is happening in S. Afr. now, it’s a straight downhill slope of corruption and dysfunction.

            It might be your opinion that whites should never have tried to settle anywhere in sub-Saharan Africa. If so, that would be absolutely a fair point. But until at least recently, human beings have always tried to grab more land for themselves. Nobody cared about the other guy. Africans didn’t (as seen by the Bantus displacing the Khoisan), Arabs didn’t, American Indians didn’t, and Europeans didn’t, so it’s unfair and illogical to pretend Europeans did something uniquely bad. Africa looked wide open, so the Europeans went for it.

            Finally, if some frank discussion involving race hurts your fragile sensibilities, hey, what I can say? We’ll miss you, guy.

          • SDN

            Just because many things like crime and unemployment were worst is not an argument for re-establishing Apartheid in the same way that because some things in Russia were worse than under communism is not an argument for reestablishing the communist dictatorship.

            Crime is certainly an issue in SA but it needs to be truthfully examined than under emotions. Besides crime has been on the decline for quite some time. http://www.larktours.com/truth-about-crime-south-africa
            http://www.southafrica.info/news/crime-190913.htm#.UqJV9haVjSM

            “Genocide” ? As far as I know it implies a will or a ‘Master Plan’ to exterminate a whole population on given criteria. Although there has been some call to exterminate the south african white population from some Mandela-bashing black radicals like the late Khalid Abdul Mohammed no such policies were implemented by the ANC. Killings of white farmers is undeniably an issue but it should examined out of emotional reactions. (That reminds me of the position I hold for years that we should drop the concept of ‘genocide’ as it is too emotionally charged)

            ‘Whites are not free’ so you’re saying that for being free whites should deprive blacks of their rights ? You sound like a ‘revanchist’. As far as I know in terms of political rights whites in South Africa are not disenfranchised nor are they required to have a pass in order to go in black neighborhoods. As for Affirmative Action I believe in complete meritocracy and so I don’t favor AA in any form whether it is gender, class or race-based and I think its abolition in SA would be all for the better besides if the climate was so oppressive than why are some white emigrants returning ? http://vorige.nrc.nl/international/Features/article2472801.ece

            You’re grossly underestimating blacks by saying that ‘black rule’ automatically equals “a straight downhill slope of corruption and dysfunction.” The situation is of course not good in SA but you have some emerging countries like Ghana, Angola, Ethiopia and others which a growth rate in double digits. You also had a certain economical prosperity in Ivory Coast under Felix Houphouet-Boigny.

          • fush

            Keeping servants isn’t interinsically evil but treating them like dogs – yes, that’s evil. Anybody who is wealthy enough to keep low-skilled servants has a moral obligation to into their education (basic literacy for example) so that the next generation can move up a little in the world. The reality of the situation is that it takes several generations to escape poverty.

          • Blomsoy

            Dear StanleyT, Thank you for posting your very relevant thoughts which explains a past few of us have understood. I find you comments both reasonable and thoughtful.
            Even a Marxist/ communist like Mandela could do sommething positive. It does happen, but trying to paint him as an angel shows poor understanding of the total man, but that seems to be politically correct today.

        • Demetrius Minneapolis

          I’m not at all arguing that his cause may have been right/wrong, I’m concerned with your estimate that his actions were peaceful. The man was responsible for much of the violence that occurred and he is projected as a saint.
          I can see the argument he and the ANC had no choice to upend apartheid through the use of terrorism, but stop pretending he was a butterfly of peace.

          • StanleyT

            Show me where I said that! All I have said is that he came to power and, by the power of his personality, prevented a massacre. Look to Kenya and the Mau Mau; that is what we expected to happen. Mandela prevented it. I have said that he did not – perhaps could not – prevent the horrific wave of crime that followed, but he told his people not to “break a single window” – and they didn’t, at that time.

            The fact that you cannot even grasp this simple concept or give him credit for it, says more about you than it does about him (or me).

          • Demetrius Minneapolis

            Still calling him peaceful? And Winnie for that matter? Ever heard of contract killings Stanley?

          • StanleyT

            Wow, you are truly incredible! I am tempted to yell, but I will just repeat myself. Mandela prevented a massacre when he was released from prison, and another when he came to power.

            That’s all I’m saying. I am not denying that the country has deteriorated and that it is now a terrifying place. I have even said that. I am not declaring Mandela a saint. I’m just saying that he prevented a massacre when he was released from prison and another when he came to power.

            Should I say it again? Is there any way I could ever get this simple concept through to you? I truly doubt it.

          • Demetrius Minneapolis

            So your presumed prevention of a massacre overwrites everything else? The blackboard is completely erased? You are the piece of work.

            I concur on one comment I made; you never made Mandela a saint, that has been the media in the last 24 hrs,but your comments would suggest for one incident, he is deserving of it.

          • StanleyT

            Again, where did I say that? My first comment began with the words “While I do agree with much of this” – and I have consistently repeated that what came afterwards was and is a mess. I have never claimed that “the blackboard is completely erased”. I have never said that this “overwrites everything else”. But I think I have proved that for some people – just like leftard liberals – you have to swallow the party line completely. Any nuance is not allowed.

          • Demetrius Minneapolis

            Are you blind or stupid? You are saying that he was PEACEFUL.

          • Demetrius Minneapolis

            When have you last been in SA?

          • StanleyT

            Two years ago, and it was terrifying.

          • Demetrius Minneapolis

            I bet you wet your little emotional pants and cried. Sorry Stanley, you are a complete joke. Damn glad I wasn’t posted somewhere with the likes of you.

          • StanleyT

            Just when I thought you were being fairly reasonable, you get as idiotic as big jim. There is clearly no reasoning with you.

          • Demetrius Minneapolis

            Clearly, now go change your panties.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            What was it like? I’m truly interested in what actually is happening on the ground, there.

            In a way, I’m a refugee, also. I was born and raised in Chicago, about seven blocks away from Wrigley Field (Go Cubs! … someday). I never felt in danger, once, until about 10 years after Lyndon Johnson’s “Great Society” changed the black community in a fundamental way, and locked them into their poverty.

            In the mid 1980′s, I moved, rather than continue to carry a firearm illegally. I still miss the neighborhood, but I would be terribly worried about any family members who still lived there. Today, Chicago is Murder Central, USA …

            What was terrifying about SA, two years ago, if you don’t mind?

          • StanleyT

            I have said that the overthrow of apartheid was peaceful. I have admitted that the ongoing situation is not peaceful. You are the one who refuses to see beyond your own blindness.

          • Demetrius Minneapolis

            My blindness? Really? My blindness comes from interviewing/conversing with people who left SA during the 90′s. The ones who re-settled in Mozambique were the ones I spoke with. They paint a very different picture than the super-duper-emotional rant you posted earlier. Based upon being face-to-face with these people, I find them far more credible than a guy who is feeling white guilt and not clearly thinking. Sorry Stanley.

          • StanleyT

            You spoke to people, and that makes you more knowledgeable than someone who lived there? Okay ….

          • Demetrius Minneapolis

            What part of THEY LIVED THERE TOO” don’t you understand?

          • StanleyT

            What part of “i lived there and you didn’t” – but you spoke to some people – don’t you understand?

          • Demetrius Minneapolis

            Doesn’t matter, these people were giving verbal and written testimony for my agency. And they numbered in the dozens, aprox.30 or so family heads were interviewed. They must have ALL been lying than.

          • StanleyT

            Interesting how you extrapolate things I say to suit what you think. Interesting too how you appear to believe that there can only be one correct interpretation of anything – and that interpretation has to be yours. Interesting too how threatened you feel when somebody disagrees with you.

            Apart from the fact that your opinions are extremely rightist, your emotions are just like those of a liberal leftard.

          • Demetrius Minneapolis

            Keep up the assertions Stanley, you are sounding more and more like a city college dropout every minute. And the correct term is Right wing elite with racist tendencies. That is what jokers like you prefer to call someone like me. I’m over that and over you. Go change your panties Stanley “boy”.

          • StanleyT

            At this point, I will decline any further engagement with you. Your need to resort to childishness and silly insults can be satisfied elsewhere. For my part, I am perfectly satisfied with having reduced you to your essence.

          • Jakareh

            What, at the end, did Mandela accomplish? He slowed the down the genocide, but according to your own prediction, it’s now going to speed up. If you put that and nothing next to each other, it’s hard to tell them apart.

            It’s interesting also that you brought up the Mau Maus. They were, in fact, crushed by the British. And they would have been crushed even worse if not for incipient political correctness. If I were a white South African, I would have preferred a racial war, win or lose, though I think it would have been win. That’s not because I hate blacks but because whites living under ANC rule are not free. Their condition is akin to that of Christians living under Islam, and I would prefer to be dead and buried than to live that way.

          • StanleyT

            Unfortunately, most of what Mandela accomplished was temporary, so you’re right to ask “what, at the end” it will all mean. I’ve given my prediction, as you point out.

          • Chris

            So what’s the problem then? Bigest a$$hole rules. I thought that was ok with people like you. OR, are you one of those people that hold others to standards that you do not apply to yourself?

          • Jakareh

            If by “Bigest a$$hole” you mean the strongest, Mandela and his tribesmen were not that. They could take on the Khoisan (you know, those sweet little people shown in “The Gods Must Be Crazy”) and they sure were good at killing one another, as demonstrated by Shaka Zulu, but they could never defeat Europeans militarily.

          • Chirs

            How old are you?

        • Wolfthatknowsall

          So, black crime is caused by, in your words “lack of education, lack of job opportunities”? In other words, “poverty causes crime”. It seems we’ve heard this, a time or two, in the States. It usually comes from the far Left.

          The fact that they did not “turn out en masse and kill every white in sight” was not a miracle. It would have caused a race war which the blacks could not possibly have hoped to win. They didn’t have the military, the infrastructure, or the leadership to win such a war. It would still be going on.

          As I stated above, “reconciliation” was Mandela’s only option, if he wanted to rule. And he wanted to rule.

          I’m sorry that I sound so cynical … I don’t mean to be. I’ve known many refugees from Mandela’s South Africa. I assure you that none of them are black.

          I hope your family gets out safely.

          • StanleyT

            Thank you for disagreeing politely. Thank you also for your hopes for my family.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            You’re quite welcome, sir.

    • ebonystone

      As one pundit put it, back in the days of apartheid: “Virtually all the countries of sub-Saharan Africa are tyrannies under the control of a dominant tribe. The only difference between South Africa and the rest is that in S.A the ruling tribe is white.”

    • solinkaa

      Well, they are “wreaking revenge” already, aren’t they, on everybody: white, black, their children, their babies, tourists, anything that moves, really.

  • UCSPanther

    I have two observations:

    1. The myth about the man will be the last to die,
    and 2. Mandela will be forgotten when hell does break loose in South Africa, when they fall to the same depth as Zimbabwe and EVERYONE who lives there finds themselves trapped in a poverty-and-violence infested pit.

  • UCSPanther

    I have two observations:

    1. The myth of the man himself will be the last to die.
    2. Mandela’s name will be forgotten when South Africa finally does sink to the same depth as Zimbabwe, and everyone there finds themselves trapped in the poverty-and-violence infested ruins.

  • James Foard

    MANDELA TO FIGHT APARTHEID IN THE AFTERLIFE
    Recently deceased former
    South African President Nelson Mandela was contacted by a noted Los
    Angeles psychic after his passing on Thursday, and she reported that Mandela,
    long the champion for human rights, was organizing a demonstration
    among the denizens of hell to protest the separation of those in eternal
    perdition from the joyous congregation of the saints in heaven. “This
    is outrageous”, the former head of state said in his first interview
    from the other side. “The food down here is terrible, and the air is
    stifling. We never get any rest, and the torture is, well, it’s torture.
    I plan to organize a delegation and present our case before, well, you
    know who. It’s just not fair that some people should be happy forever
    and ever and then others have to fry in this awful oven. With our fists
    raised we will march into victory!”

  • Seek

    Horowitz got it right about Mandela being a terrorist, but he overlooked the real reason for South Africa’s descent under black majority rule. Even if Mandela could pass for “conservative,” he’d still be presiding over disaster. That’s because the black race, with some exceptions, is a disaster. Murdering white farmers isn’t something “Leftists” do. It’s something blacks do.

    • praymorenow1

      What an incredibly stupid thing to say, think, and say.
      I may not agree w/ all that Mandela did in his long, long life…but, I do give him credit for being the man who was a bridge between an unjust and ugly period in South Africa, to a new nation trying to find a way to exist & thrive, and still face injustice, & ugliness in that new freedom period.
      I hope somewhere, some time, the historians will give a true, deep review of the mans life……the good, bad, ugly…..the ties to communism, the ties to Winnie, the ties to capitalism when a new nation needed some foundation…
      Again, your comment about the black race – is truly pathetic, sick, and one would almost think a plant from the left for this website…….to be trolled for a ‘see, gotcha’ moment…..of Front Page/Horowitz critics.

      • OldmanRick

        Read the following:

        http://donboys.cstnews.com/nelson-mandela-secular-saint-gone-to-his-reward

        Do you now feel the same way as in your post?

        • A Z

          According to Charles Butler, it was Castro that go Mandela out of prison.

          So if Castro got you out of prison, what would you do?

          Sure Castro is a reprobate. But what do you do?

          A person might criticize/counsel him in private.

          • m4253y

            me, i would put a bullet in his forehead.

          • A Z

            Well maybe Mr. Butler was wrong about some things. I was checking out the Angolan Civil War. The SA and Cuban casualty counts seem wrong from what he said. Of course I could have heard it wrong or misremembered.

            Maybe Mandela could have thanked Castro and still “constructively” criticized him. I kind of doubt that Mandela would have been offed in cold blood but he might have had an accident.

            Still Mandela did criticize the ANC and his successors. It remains to be seen, but I wonder if things will get worse now in South Africa.

          • m4253y

            i was there for over a month during the last world cup…i traveled extensively across the country to most of the stadiums and stayed in peoples’ houses and hostiles…the country is in shambles…the level of hate towards one another is astounding…the lack of trust, motivation just about anything decent is beyond belief.

            never for one moment did i feel safe, even when we were brazenly robbed by the ‘sweet’ old lady in whose hose we stayed for 2 days while we were at a game.

            just as the lame stream media can do no harm to their leader, same goes for the stink hole of SA.

          • A Z

            My parent had no problems. Although I bet they did not travel as extensively as you did. So I am not going to question what you say because I would 99.999% likely to be wrong.

            Now I am going to have to talk to them about Pretoria and other places. I know they “wandered” without the tour guide some outside the hotel compound. I have to figure out how far. With an address I can get on google maps and see what the area looks like when it is safe relatively speaking for certain hours of the day.

      • m4253y

        from a person who has visited SA let me begin by telling you how sadly incorrect you are and let me end by telling you that all that has changed there is the color of the new apartheid.

        they are as cold, ruthless and indifferent to one another’s tribes as they are to everyone. i could go on, but i will leave it for you to understand that a leader of his people should have done a lot more if he could have, AND he could and should have. SA today is a shambles which is anything but a success story. who would you hold accountable for the current state of affairs? You guessed it, their emancipator.

      • A Z

        The main opposition party to the ANC are the coloreds around Cape Town. That is the only province that the ANC does not control.

        Obviously the blacker you are, the holier you are.

        At least according to racist Africans.

        We should have been beyond all this shiesse 1 or 2 generations ago.

      • Big Jim 33

        Sounds like you voted for the incompetent Affirmative Action opportunist Obama to show that you’re “not a racist”. What a joke. People like you are the true racists.

        • StanleyT

          Wow, there’s no getting through to people who can only see everything in terms of black and white (and yes, double meaning intended). Blacks do good things and bad things. Whites do good things and bad things. That’s reality. To take a blanket position that everything black is bad, and that therefore, everything white must be good, is ridiculous.

          • Big Jim 33

            Yes, you are a pompous reverse racist, Stanley. Your bigotry is so deep that you will never get out if it. You also do the same tired old tactic of misstating what others say, and then attack the misstatement. You gays are all alike.

          • StanleyT

            ah big jim the genius has spoken. Completely unable to argue the points, you resort to insults. this is the last time I will bother replying to you, because you are simply not worth it.

          • Big Jim 33

            Another cowardly gay slinks away, back to HuffPo to whine about Christian bakers not making cakes for deviants.

          • Sassy Serf

            He’s not gay, but you’re so right about his tactics. I’ve told him the same thing a thousand times.

          • fush

            Its not a question of skin colour, its a question of culture and education. Since culture and education are often passed directly from Father to son there is often a strong correlation between skin colour and culture and education. But one must remember that correlation does not equal causation.

      • Seek

        Some call it “bigotry; I call it a conclusion.

    • truebearing

      “Murdering white farmers isn’t something “Leftists” do. It’s something blacks do.”

      Maybe you should read the history of the Communists in Russia. They murdered millions of farmers. When the Left isn’t doing the murdering themselves, they are setting up the requisite conditions for someone else to do it, in this case South African blacks.

      • Seek

        I was writing specifically in the context of South Africa. I know whites are capable of great evil. But whites in South Africa have far more to fear from blacks than vice versa. The murder rates speak for themselves.

        • truebearing

          I misunderstood your comment. My apologies.

        • SDN

          I don’t see how a black person living far away from SA has to be crudely singled out as a “disaster” because of the tragic murder of a white farmer by a black thug. Talking about the ‘murder rates’ they have been declining over the last years ! http://www.southafrica.info/news/crime-190913.htm#.UqK_dxaVjSM
          And I bet that like in the United States black crime had a bigger drop than white crime and that black-on-white victimizations dropped faster than the other way around.

          • truebearing

            Not surprisingly, you are full of crap. You are a con man, a liar, and obviously, an apologist for black crime, regardless the facts.

          • SDN

            Not surprisingly, you are full of curses and name-calling. If you think I’m “an apologist for black crime” you got that wrong the other way around. Every time I found someone on websites like TheGrio whining about ‘racial profiling’ I always reminded him that it’s nothing but a red herring and that the real issue should be black overrepresentation in crime, at the same time this should be truthfully examined and not used to stir up emotions and hatred by saying that blacks are ‘inherently bad’.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            You realize that your link “proving” declining murder rates is from the South African government, don’t you?

          • SDN

            Of course crime statistics have their flaws like in every country but on average the picture they give is not so inaccurate I’ve found a useful link on this http://www.africacheck.org/reports/factsheet-crime-statistics-in-south-africa/#comments

        • objectivefactsmatter

          AFAIK communists have killed a lot more farmers in the past century than “blacks” have. And most of those blacks are led by communists or crypto communists. It’s about ideology and culture, not skin tone.

          • Seek

            Objective Facts: Aside from the fact that race is a lot more complicated a concept than “skin tone” (talk to any evolutionary biologist), the blacks of today’s SA don’t need any Communists to egg them on. They are motivated by a desire for racial payback against whites, especially farmers. In fact, those (innocent) whites may be the one thing separating the black majority in that country from outright famine.

          • SDN

            Objective Facts never said that skin tone is equal to race but black skin being the most obvious feature of blacks it’s normal we tend to use them interchangeably. The point is that ideologies matters more than race you yourself admitted it when you said these farmer killers “are motivated by a desire for racial payback against whites “

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Nobody needs communists for anything.

            “They are motivated by a desire for racial payback against whites, especially farmers. In fact, those (innocent) whites may be the one thing separating the black majority in that country from outright famine.”

            Some of the racism is caused by the communists. Not all though.

      • Wolfthatknowsall

        Very true. And then, corn from Illinois and Iowa had to feed the starving masses in Ukraine, thus pulling the Soviet’s irons out of the fire, as it were …

    • A Z

      Look up Holodomor. There are other cases outside the region where the Holodomor occurred.

    • No RNC

      SA was fine until the GD Brits came in & stole the country from the Afrikaners! We need to remind the idiot Brits that we want them to pay for what they did to SA & Zimbabwe + others!

      • scook84

        Yeah! Having a vibrant economy is soooo overrated!

        Brother, can you spare a tire and some gas?

        <3 Muah!

    • frodo

      So, your position is simply that “blacks” are bad, then? What ludicrous tripe you’re peddling here.

      • truebearing

        Statistics don’t lie.

        • frodo

          That’s hilarious.

  • UCSPanther

    Gotta love it when the psychics and ghost-whisperers come out of the woodwork…

  • Wolfthatknowsall

    “Reconciliation” was his only option. Revenge would have brought about a civil war, which white South Africa would have won.

    • Big Jim 33

      and Mandela wouldn’t have ended up with his millions

      • Wolfthatknowsall

        Exactly …

    • Moa

      Plus, the ANC were communists and the Soviet Union had just fallen. Reconciliation was his *only option*. If the Soviet Union had won the Cold War then Mandela would have led a vicious bloodbath for sure.

      • Wolfthatknowsall

        I reluctantly agree with that, Moa. International power struggles determine fates of many, in this world.

  • truebearing

    Once again, the Left facilitates instability and incites violence by fostering envy and racial hate….then accuse those they are demonizing of being racists. One “truth’ for the Left, another truth for the enemies of the Left.

    Invariably the Left champions the uneducated, stupid, or lazy. Just as invariably, when they succeed in their revolution, the victim nation soon collapses into a seething mess of violence, corruption, and greater injustice. It will continue to work as long as there are enough fools in this world, and it doesn’t look like a shortage is imminent.

    • frodo

      Wasn’t Apartheid the invention of white South Africans? Isn’t it founded in racial hate, or at the very least profound prejudice? Isn’t what you’re saying engaging in at least some victim-blaming?

      • Jerry G

        From what is going on now in South Africa I would say that Apartheid was founded on common sense and the need for self protection. Whites are no longer safe now in South Africa.

        • frodo

          Carts don’t go before horses.

          • Kent2012

            you need to check in with your drug dealer and explain to him that you are not going to pay any more good money for bad drugs….

          • frodo

            My argument has been utterly destroyed by your clever witticism.

            Seriously, is that the best you can do?

          • Kent2012

            I am still trying on the carts and horses…..your explanation of apartheid being the invention of who? the Africaners?? Some events down through history come as a direct result of people’s behavior. A good example is what will take place if the black punks in this country and the white trash that emmulate them keep up this “knock out game”, it would be nice for a role model of color to come forward and influence these twits to the point that they stopped on their own, but kenyan boy’s cheer leaders and those that think that America has been turned upside down and the blacks on now in their rightful position, on top, will not take on the challenge and it will escalate to a very tragic end……oh and whitey will be blamed…….

          • frodo

            Who do you think invented apartheid? Of course, it was the Afrikaners. It was based in older systems of segregation and rooted in racism. It wasn’t a response to some flood of violence, but a systematization of white political supremacy in the postwar era (the laws date to 1948) which would not have continued if the majority of the population had gained access to political authority.

            Your comparison makes no sense.

          • Kent2012

            the violence from the blacks dates back a lot farther then 1948, then the communist inspired nelson helped keep the fires going…..do not start history somewhere in the middle, the problems go back hundreds of years…zulu anybody ??

          • SDN

            The Zulu certainly conducted brutal violence but the Afrikaners were not their main targets as they attacked other black tribes. Besides I don’t see how 19th century conflicts can be used to justify a 20th century political regime if it was really a cause then why was Apartheid extended to all SA blacks instead of targeting just the Zulus ? Finally in terms of violence against afrikaners I should add that the concentration camps during the Boer War were not invented by the blacks but by the British.

          • Kent2012

            absolutely true and there was a reason for that….In addition you can travel further back in time and guess what ? You find blacks raiding neighboring tribes and having a “good time” before placing the “best” in chains to be sold to the Euro clowns for “service” elsewhere….

          • SDN

            That’s true but I don’t see how violence in African history can be used to justify the creation of apartheid segregation. When the National Party established the segregation the slave trade was abolished decades ago!

            Besides Europeans have been doing the same when they were raiding the Slavs tribes in order to sell them to North African merchants, that’s why the word ‘slave’ is so similar to the designation of the Slavonic people (in fact in French they are called ‘les Slaves’ ! ) Do I try to make the African slave trade excusable ? Not in the least, in fact on black websites like TheGrio or Global Grind where I’m an occasional poster I always remind to someone who whines about ’400 years of oppression’ that the slaves were bought from African merchants and that slavery is still practiced in Africa !

            I’m just saying that you sound like those blacks who supports AA because of slavery, they seek their justification for their policies in events that happened a century and a half ago like I said in my previous message “I don’t see how 19th century conflicts can be used to justify a 20th century political regime”

          • Kent2012

            five stars for those comments…

          • truebearing

            You simpleton. Apartheid is as old as humanity, by one name or another.

            Your premise is that the blacks in South Africa were peace loving and just until the Afrikaners came along and segregated society. That is pure Leftist revisionist BS, as usual. Tribal Africa has been a brutal, violent continent forever, and it still is. In fact, South Africa is far worse off under the massively corrupt rule of the black majority, and most blacks are worse off than when whites ran the country. I know it is hard for a rigid ideologue like yourself to think outside of the indoctrination boundaries, but strain your brain to understand a simple truth: apartheid isn’t the worst thing that can happen to a people. The Left and the blacks in South Africa have abundantly proven that.

            You want to talk about injustice, oppression, etc? Why don’t we discuss the 100,000,000 plus democides committed by Leftists against their own citizens in the 20th Century? Oh, and let’s not leave out all of the people sent to gulags or labor camps. Why don’t you reconcile your moral outrage with things done by the self-righteous, hypocritical Left?

          • SDN

            frodo never said that Apartheid was ‘the worst thing to happen’ he simply said why he thinks this was despicable.

            Pre-colonial Africa certainly had some issues but it cannot be reduced to only conflicts. And besides Africans do not have a monopoly on violence, it wasn’t them who started both World Wars which killed millions of lives. Like I said to another poster: “Just because many things like crime and unemployment were worst is not an argument for re-establishing Apartheid in the same way that because some things in Russia were worse than under communism is not an argument for reestablishing the communist dictatorship.”

            I don’t see how the millions of deaths caused by Communism are related to our discussion regarding SA.

          • truebearing

            No one said Africans have a monopoly on violence, did they.

            Your comments don’t address the reasons apartheid was imposed, nor do they admit the historical failures of the Left everywhere it meddles.

            The millions of deaths caused by communism derive from the same ideology that forced the situation in SA, where whites are being exterminated. Apparently, the fact that whites are being murdered doesn’t bother you.

            WWII was started by admirers of Marx — Hitler and Musssolini. Don’t try to lump both wars together….fight your dishonest tendencies.

            You don’t see how millions of deaths caused by communism are related to SA because you don’t want to acknowledge a connection. It is that simple. Mandela was a communist, and communism is dominant among SA’s blacks. Get it now? Or was that too straight line for a congenital liar like yourself?

          • Big Jim 33

            He won’t, because he’s nothing but a lowlife revere racist.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Who invented apartheid?

            Islam.

            See Saudi Arabia.

          • frodo

            Oh for heaven’s sake. There’s a name for that kind of logical fallacy.

            The apartheid under discussion here is an invention of the white minority in South Africa in the aftermath of the Second World War. That’s a fact of history. Your comparison is both substanceless and meaningless.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You think there is no Apartheid in Saudi Arabia?

            http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/img/hway-2-mecca-muslims-only.jpg

            Arafat Makkah – Muslims only
            Taif Riyad – obligatory for non muslims

            What do these road signs mean?

            There is a name for people like you who ignore facts.

            As a bonus, Google Images “arab nazi salute”.

          • SDN

            As far as I know Apartheid was not created because of ‘Knockout games’ I highly doubt this type of repulsive behavior was even existing at that time. It was created by the National Party in order to establish white supremacy out of the believe that the Afrikaners were a ‘Chosen People’.

          • Kent2012

            I suggested that the KO games offer an example of “over the top” behavior……the history of Africa goes back well beyond the Dutch…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Apartheid (without doubt) created social conditions of structural inequality in education, access to work, etc. that are all contributors to the kind of desperation and delusional thinking that create the terrible violence we’re seeing in SA.”

            You’ve inverted cause and effect. Apartheid was a crutch to enable the whites to maintain their culture’s superiority not based on racism but based on reality.

            Could they have had more “progressive” integration programs? Sure. Take the time machine back and advise them how to build Utopia. Since we’ve figured it out already.

            There were injustices on both sides. We tend to have more empathy for the losers. Where’s your empathy for today’s whites? And the blacks didn’t win anything. They just seemed to lose even more under Apartheid. But what did they lose? The same thing that the Occupy movement wants; free lunch.

            Those are of course generalizations. Because the problems are caused by ideology, and racism evolved from that, we can also recognize that individuals were able to transcend these problems but not very easily.

          • frodo

            If that white culture was superior, why did it need such a brutal crutch?

            Of course I have empathy for today’s South Africans–where do you get the idea that I don’t? That doesn’t mean that I have to accept that apartheid was based on something real–it was patently unjust.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “If that white culture was superior, why did it need such a brutal crutch?”

            That’s a strange question. Ever hear of envy?

            “Of course I have empathy for today’s South Africans–where do you get the idea that I don’t? That doesn’t mean that I have to accept that apartheid was based on something real–it was patently unjust.”

            In the real world we can’t sit on our hands waiting for the perfect solution. What would have been more just? In your mind I’m sure you can come up with some things to say but until you find a better appreciation for history and reality itself, you probably won’t say anything useful.

            If their “settler” culture is not superior, why do the outsiders demand to partake in its fruits when they already have their traditions?

          • frodo

            Envy? That’s your answer?

            The “outsiders” (the original population being part of that group) had their land taken, their rights denied, etc etc. Asking for justice and freedom (which is what is the underlying thing here) isn’t envious, it’s just human.

            If the white culture was superior, why not work at sharing rather than excluding?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Envy? That’s your answer?”

            It’s a big part of the answer.

            “The “outsiders” (the original population being part of that group) had their land taken, their rights denied, etc etc.”

            That’s the assumption you make.

            “Asking for justice and freedom (which is what is the underlying thing here) isn’t envious, it’s just human.”

            That is part of it. This happened over time. The fact that later generations were raised with partisan narratives doesn’t change the origins of the problems.

            You’re taking a naive approach looking back without actually trying to understand how these things happen in the first place.

            “If the white culture was superior, why not work at sharing rather than excluding?”

            I’m sure that both approaches were tried. Look at the “Occupy” movement today. They’re not demanding access to markets and equal opportunity. They’re demanding equality of condition (wealth, etc.).

            We see these tendencies in all populations. When you put all of this in to historical context and look at the dominant ideas along the historical timelines, none of this is surprising. What makes the problems worse today is naive fools looking back and blaming the successful people for everything rather than trying to take an honest and nuanced approach to unravel the problems to find the ideal solutions.

            Some people work hard to become successful. Most “rich” people just work harder and longer than the others. You should not assume any illicit exploitation occurred just because someone has something that you don’t have.

          • frodo

            You’re not looking at the specifics of the history of South Africa–talking about the Occupy movement is a red herring here.

            It’s worse than naive to not start from specifics–and you’re not demonstrating a lot of detailed knowledge about the history of South Africa.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “You’re not looking at the specifics of the history of South Africa–talking about the Occupy movement is a red herring here.”

            We’re talking about human behavior and some of the reactions to envy and resentment based on ideology and culture rather than objective facts. It’s an excellent example of how “the victim” can actually be he problem in any culture.

            “It’s worse than naive to not start from specifics–and you’re not demonstrating a lot of detailed knowledge about the history of South Africa.”

            Great. You pick a place along the timeline and start to make your case. Nobody’s stopping you.

          • frodo

            Yours is the case that needs making here. The struggle against apartheid wasn’t a reaction “to envy and resentment based on ideology and culture rather than objective facts.”

            Apartheid was a legal system systematically designed to exclude non-Europeans from any kind of political role. The struggle against it cannot be reduced to what you imagine the Occupy movement has talked about.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Apartheid was a legal system systematically designed to exclude non-Europeans from any kind of political role.”

            They wanted to be a distinct nation. They didn’t want floods of people coming in looking for handouts.

            It wasn’t an enlightened approach by today’s standards. And getting caught up in the cold war only made matters worse. The ultimate point is that blaming the founders for violating your sense of fairness is based on your own naivete, not on their alleged inequity.

            The system failed but for different reasons than you think. By today’s standards it is unacceptable. It was perfectly acceptable at the time and could have been managed better over time. But we can say that about every nation in existence today.

            “The struggle against it cannot be reduced to what you imagine the Occupy movement has talked about.”

            A vital aspect of it can be. Without question. People demanded things without earning them based on ideology. That’s the Occupy movement as well.

            This sickness is spreading throughout the world. No doubt you have this sickness as well because you seem to think it’s just “common sense” that people can demand others (the government?) take care of their needs just based on the fact that they existence.

          • frodo

            Where’s your evidence that I have this “sickness”? I don’t think that the anti-apartheid struggle had much if anything to do with the agenda you imagine.

            Nor was apartheid “perfectly acceptable at the time”–do read some history, please.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Where’s your evidence that I have this “sickness”?”

            Sample: “The “outsiders” (the original population being part of that group) had their land taken, their rights denied, etc etc. Asking for justice and freedom (which is what is the underlying thing here) isn’t envious, it’s just human.”

            “Nor was apartheid “perfectly acceptable at the time”–do read some history, please.”

            It was acceptable at that time and place. Not to communists. It wasn’t a good plan for the long term.

            The partition of India was acceptable to many at the time as well. Lots of bad ideas were accepted because the lessons of history were not yet learned and the world wasn’t once perfect and then screwed up by pioneers. You need to read a lot more history from objective sources. Howard Zinn is not a historian.

            You’ve got everything backwards because you get your views from communist dogmas and ideas derived from those dogmas.

          • frodo

            What’s your evidence that apartheid was acceptable? To who? Not to the people who were being excluded, nor to much of the world (and in pretty short order after the regime was emplaced).

            Where do you get the idea that I’d think that the pre-colonization African world was perfect? That’s not the point–the point is that what apartheid did was unjust.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “…the point is that what apartheid did was unjust.”

            Yes, we can say that. But it doesn’t justify any particular reaction. There are just and unjust reactions. And it also helps to understand what was going on as each policy was implemented.

            I’m not defending it as “good.” I’m saying it wasn’t the worse thing in the world and neither was it the worse thing in the region generally speaking.

            And another key point is that the answer for meeting your expectations of justice would be to have ensured that everyone was equally successful. Well you can’t actually arrange for that to happen.

            In the past people made bad assumptions about the potential of each human. They didn’t spend a lot of resources educating people they didn’t expect could gain from it. It would be easy for me to judge a “racist” from 200 years ago, but I can’t judge any individuals from that time without knowing more specifics. History is very messy if you get too emotional and judgmental about it. Discuss the whole thing in a balanced way and then you can offer your verdict.

            Slavery is evil. I can’t say that every historical slaveholder was evil though. Neither can I say that Mandela was a saint because he was justified in doing literally anything just because “Apartheid.”

            That’s the ultimate point. On the whole, maybe it’s good he was around. He helped some wake up to modern ideas. That was obviously needed. But Mandela was no saint. Comparing him to even MLK for example is an insult to peaceful, courageous people everywhere.

          • Seek

            White culture was outnumbered. Population size and growth do matter.

          • frodo

            Not so as to justify what that system did. Besides, you make a category error here. *Whites* might have been outnumbered, which isn’t in itself justification for anything, but culture can’t be outnumbered.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            Frodo, I invite you to visit the south side of Chicago, sometime. I’m sure that the people who get free housing, free food, free healthcare, free power, free cell phones, ad infinitum, will welcome you with open arms …

          • frodo

            That’s no argument, and you should know it. And, you are not responding to the central point that social conditions not some mythical notion of how “blacks” are is the only way to explain (not to justify) what’s happening in SA.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            You are talking to one of the least likely people to imply that people “are” some way, dependent on the color of their skin.

            You do realize that the so-called “free everything”, in addition to not being free … someone has to pay for it … is a trap that locks people into poverty? Their anger, prompted by their condition and the race pimps who use it, results in their continual entrapment by people who use it for power and wealth.

            Unfortunately for the people of South Africa, there are fewer and fewer people with money to purchase the “free things” that governments hand out.

          • frodo

            A desire for freedom doesn’t mean a desire for free stuff, does it? One can separate the two things and acknowledge that ending apartheid did increase freedom. Explaining what happened in post-apartheid South Africa would take an awful lot more than asserting that people wanted free stuff and the bad situation there results from that.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            What do you wish me to say? Are you attempting an Orwellian logic in which I imply that Apartheid equals freedom? Or do you wish me to say that it’s “blackness” that causes disruption and violence?

            When did I say that Apartheid was a better system than democracy? But is what exists in South Africa, today, truly democratic? What’s your opinion?

            Are whites safe in South Africa? And if they’re not, why are they not safe? Is it the majority of blacks that threaten their lives and freedoms? Or is it their government? I know that the government certainly threatens freedoms in America, rather than ensures them …

          • frodo

            I’m responding to your invitation to go to the South Side of Chicago and see what happens when people get “free stuff.” Your implication, it seems to me, is that the struggle against apartheid was not a struggle for freedom but a struggle to get free stuff. That’s a false suggestion–and I’d be happy to be wrong about what you’re implying.

            I think SA is a terrible mess, but that it’s still preferable to the system that was in place before because there’s at least the chance for positive change.

            Widespread poverty is a threat to freedom–how to respond is a political question.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            The whole point of my post is that the people on the southside of Chicago never stop getting free stuff, but because of their relationship with the government, they are locked into their poverty. They like the “stuff”, but they are also angry. Yet, they keep voting for the same people who put them in this mess.

            If “widespread poverty is a threat to freedom”, then government solutions, by the same people who made that widespread poverty endemic, is not going to work. South Africa is in a mess, too, but the government of South Africa is not going to cure it with a government solution.

      • truebearing

        Apartheid has existed since humanity began. What is in a name?

        Are you dumb enough to think your PC blather has ended racial prejudice…anywhere? Here in America, blacks are virulently prejudiced against whites, Koreans, Mexicans, etc. The Left has done everything in its power to encourage racial division, especially with its black monolithic voting block. Keeping blacks enslaved to a faile ideology and a corrupt vision is worse than apartheid.

        Racial prejudice has existed since time began, and your championing of one race, because they are stupid enough to fall for your race and class envy, or vote for your sick causes, is not going to end it.

        Victim blaming has nothing to do with anything I said. You’re just trying to keep the discussion fenced in with your pea-brained leftist talking points.

  • leo kloetter

    Apardheid South Africa was a country run on a Klu Klux Klan, White Supremacy ideology. Mandela didn’t end Apardheid, international isolation did, but Mandela’s influence prevented the wholesale slaughter and expulsion of South Africa’s white minority as they lost copntrol over their slaves.

    • BS77

      While I do not blame Mr. Mandela , SA today is one of the most crime ridden and dangerous countries on earth. Tourists are routinely warned against leaving “secure” areas without guides or body guards. Black on black crime is horrendous. It’s no utopia.

  • Jakareh

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    Madiba was
    the first one to step through the threshold. Smiling he said, “Thank you very
    much, my brother! We are all brothers now! Now, my brothers, all of you move
    into this nice broom closet. The rest of the house will be for the Swarts who have
    waited so long to live here, as I am sure you agree is fair. Also, my brother,
    give me your wallet.”

    The Linkses
    now invite the Blanks to all the family get-togethers. The Blanks don’t usually
    go because they are afraid to leave their broom closet—the Swarts think it’s a
    lot of fun to grab the Blank girls and throw them to the ground. Moreover, the
    Blanks can’t avoid stepping on the dung from the goats the Swarts keep inside
    the house. And if they make to their car, they find the Swarts have borrowed
    the tires, the gasoline, sometimes even the engine. But no one calls the Blanks
    “meanies” any more, or maybe only once in a while, so now they will live
    happily ever after.

    THE END

    • James Keir Baughman

      Hmmmm! Sounds just like Communism.

      • Jakareh

        For a full understanding of this tale, one must understand the names of the characters in a South African context.

      • Ruby_Con

        Sounds like the delusional utopian obamaville.

      • EarlyBird

        During Apartheid it was illegal for any South African citizen to have an image of Mandela, which was punishable with four years imprisonment. Sounds just like fascism.

        • Apostle Gideon Prinsloo

          Shame that you wanna to worship the communist called Mandela

          • EarlyBird

            Only the most reactionary, ideologically-bound right wing idiots can hear the name “Mandela,” and instinctively answer “communist.”

        • Dan Jackson

          Better that than the dystopia that’s resulted under black rule.

          • EarlyBird

            You’re overstating the current problems and minimizing the nightmare that was Apartheid.

          • EarlyBird

            “Better that than the dystopia that’s resulted under black rule.”
            Says who?

        • truebearing

          Fascism is slightly better than Communism, but far be it from me to criticize your Fuhrer, Maobama. I know you need to have a supreme leader to tell you what to do.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            A “fascistic” response to communist terrorism? Well, worse things have happened, that’s for sure. Not quite Hitlerian to try to control enemy propaganda materials. Having said that, things did get intense at times.

          • EarlyBird

            You and your fellow lunatics on this board take car pool lanes as proof that the US government has been taken over by Stalinists. But when a man fights his entire life to liberate his country from some of the worst kinds of oppression, you can’t recognize him as a freedom fighter.

            You’ll notice too that many nominally “communist” movements like his never really had their hearts in the ideology. They were mostly movements of self determination against Western colonial establishments, and the hard left was the only place to draw support. Too bad the West couldn’t understand that fact, and thereby co-opt and undercut the Soviets and Chinese at their own game of “liberation.”

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “You and your fellow lunatics on this board take car pool lanes as proof that the US government has been taken over by Stalinists.”

            All you ever come up with is deceptive sarcasm.

            “They were mostly movements of self determination against Western colonial establishments, and the hard left was the only place to draw support.”

            That’s part of the story. Nobody denies that.

            “Too bad the West couldn’t understand that fact, and thereby co-opt and undercut the Soviets and Chinese at their own game of “liberation.””

            “The West” can’t understand that? Well many people suffer from the fact that they get their history from Hollywood and current events narratives from network and or cable news. And things were just a wee bit more complicated during that cold war thingy.

          • EarlyBird

            The people running the West’s foreign policy “couldn’t understand that.” Imagine if we told the French, “no, we will not help you maintain your colony in Indochina. Set them free.” Same with telling Batista to reform or get lost. So much of the Europeans’ old holdings in Africa and Middle East. If we stood by those nations’ people actually clamoring for self determination, we’d have co-opted half of these guys from the Soviets. The Cold War would have been a lot shorter and less complicated.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “The people running the West’s foreign policy “couldn’t understand that.””

            That’s your conclusion. There was quite a bit for them to focus on. Much easier to look back and criticize. You’re talking about quite a few organizations and people. Some probably did understand a lot better than you do, and most others were rightly focused on other things.

            The West has an orientation to be concerned about PR, but not as a top or sole priority. The Soviets used agitation propaganda as a front line PR weapon. It’s easier to upset people than it is to put the evil genie back in to the bottle. That’s an underlying fact of life that explains quite a bit about the cold war in nations where controversy arose.

          • EarlyBird

            Peoples in these nations were going to react to the West in the best of circumstances, regardless of what the West did. Soviets were more than happy to be their “liberators” against the West, and the conflict arose from there.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            That’s right. But history unfolds along a timeline before people like you get to look back with unrealistic expectations and unbalanced criticism of the people who lived through it.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Same with telling Batista to reform or get lost. So much of the Europeans’ old holdings in Africa and Middle East.”

            That’s right. It doesn’t mean we were wrong in every case or in any case. Some times negotiations break down and the details aren’t broadcast live either.

            But leaders themselves are held to a higher standard. We can criticize Mandela for not reaching out to the West earlier and more convincingly. He seemed to actually believe in communism or socialism. If he changed over time. that’s wonderful. But he didn’t become a living saint. People need to get over it.

            “If we stood by those nations’ people actually clamoring for self determination, we’d have co-opted half of these guys from the Soviets.”

            In your narratives you very often make it sound like some petition was up for a vote and the West choose the wrong ballot measure. That’s not how history unfolds. You don’t know the extent of the Marshall Plan I guess and the tremendous costs and controversies. You love pointing out our military limits, which you underestimate, but you seem to think our ability to buy people off – entire nations – is unlimited.

            “The Cold War would have been a lot shorter and less complicated.”

            LOL. If only we had you as POTUS instead of Truman. Oh well.

          • EarlyBird

            We were already in control of many of the governments I’m discussing – Vietnam, Cuba, etc. These were not up for grabs or “in play” with the Soviets until we helped those autocrats crack down harder and pushed dissidents into the arms of the communists. We could have forced reform on these nations and kept them out of the Soviet orbit.

            Many of England’s colonies at first considered themselves “liberated” by the Japanese in places like Burma, Malaysia, and elsewhere, until the Japanese showed how brutal they were. But when WWII ended, these guys did not feel at all like freedom had been restored, only that aging colonial rule has been reimposed. Same with Indochina and the French.

            But hey, our leaders were human, and the situations were very complicated, and surely I’m oversimplifying.

            But of course, you simply react angrily at any self criticism of US policies because zealots are always terrified of that little kernal of doubt inside.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “We were already in control of many of the governments I’m discussing – Vietnam, Cuba, etc. These were not up for grabs or “in play” with the Soviets until we helped those autocrats crack down harder and pushed dissidents into the arms of the communists.”

            So…some star chamber Western government entity had total sovereignty over foreign nations. Interesting. I never knew this. I thought that some of these folks had some measure of autonomy. How naive of me.

            “We could have forced reform on these nations and kept them out of the Soviet orbit.”

            It’s scarcely more complicated that moving chess pieces. I guess our leaders are even dumber than I had ever realized before. How could we simply opt out of such clearly wise decisions?

            “Many of England’s colonies at first considered themselves “liberated” by the Japanese in places like Burma, Malaysia, and elsewhere, until the Japanese showed how brutal they were.”

            LOL. Um, yeah. And BTW self-rule is not something that comes organically either.

            “But when WWII ended, these guys did not feel at all like freedom had been restored, only that aging colonial rule has been reimposed. Same with Indochina and the French.”

            Establishing an independent national sovereign is a process. Lots of people are naive and Soviet and other communist propaganda led people to have unrealistic expectations. Can you understand that expectations must be realistic and achievable for success? And failure is often blamed on others. Some times that meant us. Some times you help those others to blame us for their own native failures.

            When I talk about communist influence, that’s mostly what I’m talking about. Not Soviet agents under the coach so to speak. It’s the deadly agitation propaganda that makes every loser feel like a righteous victim, and every delusional dream seem achievable if only those darn capitalists would get out of the way.

            “But hey, our leaders were human, and the situations were very complicated, and surely I’m oversimplifying.”

            Rare understatement from you.

            “But of course, you simply react angrily at any self criticism of US policies because zealots are always terrified of that little kernal of doubt inside.”

            Also false.

          • Kepha Hor

            In fact, HSTruman believed that after WWII, the USA would face a showdown with the British Empire. It was not until the Berlin Blockade and later, the Communist takeover of Czechslovakia, that Truman realized that the Communists were enemies and that the choice of enmity was theirs.

            And please don’t fall for the idiocy that Nguyen That Thanh (Ho Chi Minh) was originally a democratic nationalist turned off by our postwar support of the French. He became a Communist as early as 1919, and was even introduced to his Chinese wife by Zhou Enlai’s wife (Zhou Enlai was someone else converted to the Communist cause while a student in Europe during the ’20′s).

            Much of the Cold War was a case of the USA finding that much of the world had elected us an enemy of choice because various leaders bought the Marxist vision hook, line, and sinker.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Truman was a dupe that woke up partially.

          • Warren Raymond

            “Western colonial establishments?”

            Who build South Africa?

            Did you ever bother to read the history? Do you know anything at all about SA?

          • Wim Kotze

            Early bird must be a worm.

        • dillweed

          Actions speak louder than words. Look at South Africa now WITHOUT apartheid. There are, unfortunately, necessary “evils” in this fallen world we live in. Those who deny this are uninformed.

          • Toxic delirium

            You only say that those evils are “necessary” because they aren’t happening to you. Hypocrite.

          • EarlyBird

            Oh well, gotta rule “the blacks” with a stern hand, or otherwise they get outta hand, huh?

          • Kepha Hor

            Early Bird, many of us here are of the mind that the Apartheid regime in SA was a bad one. However, the Communist record in the 20th century was even worse.

          • Wim Kotze

            No, let the blacks rule themselves, i.e. Zulu’s rule Zulu’s, Xhoxas rule Xhozas, Tswana rule Tzwana, etc. Why should a Xhoza rule Afrikaners, or rooinekke for that matter? You do know your man Mandela is a cattle thief that ran away from his tribe, don’t you?

    • frodo

      This isn’t a good parable for the history of apartheid. The actual history is a bit uglier on the Blank side.

      • Jakareh

        Is that so? The Swart side certainly could have been depicted much less gently, but including Shaka Zulu’s orgy of violence or the current rape epidemic would have darkened the mood too much.

      • RufusChoate

        Ahh, no you’re incorrect. The ANC killed more Blacks in the township than the Afrikaner security forces ever did.

        • Apostle Gideon Prinsloo

          Exactly, yet the Liberals want the make the world believe that we killed of the blacks for fun like dogs, which is absolutely a lie and making the ANC the great savior, just like they are doing for Obama too. The Liberals don’t know how to be truthful, they only know how to lie

        • DList

          Yep…the Left like Cronus always eats it’s young.

      • truebearing

        Failing at history, yet again. Are you capable of learning?

        • semus

          In debate if the truth completely eviscerates someone on the lefts argument don’t expect them to rethink their beliefs, they simply reload and wait. The truth is the lefts primary enemy.

      • semus

        A brutally accurate and honest parable, the truth hurts.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        I didn’t know that Rwanda was on the Blank side.

    • Chris

      You missed a significant part of the fable. Where and how did the Blanks get the resources and skills to build such a fabulous house ? ? ? Please don’t bother spinning your belief that they are superior humans and it came from their hard work and superiority. This kind of nonsense has die out with the Monarchists.

      • Jakareh

        They “stole” everything from the illiterates who lived in straw huts. That’s your theory of history, obviously.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          But Marx proved the iron laws of class conflict, dude. It’s always the rich guy’s fault. Especially if he’s white.

          • Chris

            I guess that’s why all you embarassed millionaires in waiting are pissing and mouning about Mandela.

        • Chris

          Yeah, just as I thought, you are not a serious person. Nevertheless, my question is valid as you well know.

          • Jakareh

            What would you like me to say, that Louis Farrakhan is right and that Europeans were never able to accomplish anything on their own but only “stole” from more enlightened cultures?

            You don’t have question; you have a hallucination.

          • Chris

            How old are you?

          • Toxic delirium

            Ooo snap! Too close to home, sport?

          • Chris

            Bingo!

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “Please don’t bother spinning your belief that they are superior humans and it came from their hard work and superiority.”

        If superior skills and education equals superior humans in this question, then yes that is how people get ahead of their neighbors. You think they went and stole the “money tree?”

        Even gold has very little value outside of the civilization that knows how to exploit it.

        “This kind of nonsense has die out with the Monarchists.”

        Deductive reasoning went out with the monarchists? No, it went out when the leftist indoctrination slowly trickled in to our schools.

        • Chris

          Weak inductive reasoning is more compatible with your blinker view of the world, correct?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I think you’re wrong again. Would you like to provide some evidence so that we understand why you’re confident in your delusional statements?

            First, can you understand the statement “superior skills and education” as some times distinct from “superior humans” when people infer the latter statement to be something like superior DNA, as in racism?

          • Chris

            “that is how people get ahead of their neighbors”

            That’s what it is all about for you isn’t it? Very telling statement. A rather jaundiced view of human nature. You wouldn’t be Amurican would you? ;-) ha ha ha ha

          • objectivefactsmatter

            So you really are an idiot. Noted.

          • Chris

            Bingo! objectivefactsmatter is an Amurican Christian. The antithesis of a rational mind.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Good job laying out your argument rationally.

          • Chris

            Laying out an argument to you? You must be kidding. You are the product of underdevelopment. It would be an entirely fruitless endeavor because you are devoted to your own beliefs and haven’t got the foggiest idea of what a reasoned argument is.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            All you have are the 3 Bs:

            Bluff, bluster and BS.

            “Please don’t bother spinning your belief that they are superior humans and it came from their hard work and superiority. This kind of nonsense has die out with the Monarchists.”

            Nah. Humans are absolute, entirely fungible whenever some progressive idiot needs them to be for his “argument.”

          • Chris

            God Bless Amurica!

            Hey, I think I have what it takes to be the President. Just say stupid $hit and you are guaranteed a large pool of voters. The more one says it the better. I think I’ll start saying it after everything I say just the Amurican Presidents do.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            You have the 3 Bs alright but you’re not actually that good at it.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            And you didn’t answer a single question, including those that you raised yourself.

      • truebearing

        Chris, when did aboriginal people acquire the building skills or architectural planning discipline of modern society? Please be specific with dates.

        You seem to have abandoned your Darwinism right when it would have made sense. Does this mean you are congenitally inferior?

        What happened to dialectical materialism? Doesn’t that explain how some people actually knew how to build a house? Did it occur to you that they had built houses before? Not everyone runs around in loin cloths forever. Some people actually learn.

        • Chris

          Wow . . . . . If you can formulate a coherent sentence, I invite you to answer my question.

          • Jakareh

            Actually, every single one of his sentences is perfectly coherent. The fact you would state otherwise only shows your imperfect literacy and/or inability to reason. And are five dots supposed to be an ellipsis? Do yourself a favor and study a third-grade primer instead of trying to reinvent punctuation.

          • Chris

            So mouth piece, do you agree with a John Pilger regarding Mandel’s legacy ? ? ? ? ? Hmmmm ?

            http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/07/nelson-mandelas-greatness-may-be-assured-not-his-legacy

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Pilger’s an idiotic crypto-communist, a lot like you. Next you’ll quote Chomsky I suppose. Better yet, how about Robert Fisk?

          • Chris

            Maybe you should read his take on Mandela. You might be surprised.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I already did. I’m not surprised at all. I guess you still don’t understand the discourse.

            Pilger wanted more radical change. He’s a nutcase. He’s a lot worse than Mandela. Mandela may have just picked the wrong side and made the best of it after he woke up. It’s hard to say. Pilger is an lunatic.

          • Chris

            Yeah you hate radical change when you cannot benefit. But, when you can it’s perfectly fine. Your favourite philiosopher has a word for that, hypocrite.

            So why are you here pissing and mouning about Mendale in the first place? You are obviously not a real conservatve. Retired from work? Day off from work?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Yeah you hate radical change when you cannot benefit.”

            Marcus Cicero was clairvoyant too. You’re freaking amazing.

            “But, when you can it’s perfectly fine. Your favourite philiosopher has a word for that, hypocrite.”

            You’ve got the leftist rhetoric down but you’re not too good with conversations. But you don’t need that when you have your crystal ball.

      • truebearing

        You are a fool, but not just any fool. You are special.

        Try reading the asinine comment you wrote, knowing you were the author. Humiliating, isn’t it?

        • shawnmer

          Kudos, my friend! Literally LOL!

        • Chris

          Instead of insulting people, why not simply answer my question?

          • jeepwonder

            Chris, when the Original white Dutch settlers arrived, did they find anything worth stealing? They didn’t have the natives who came down from the north feed them or give them squat. They fought for survival.

            Ask a question worthy of an answer if you expect people to take it seriously.

      • semus

        They had some resources and purchased the rest, the skill they provided. If the Swarts had the skills wouldn’t they have applied them to help themselves? Perhaps they could have learned from the Blanks if they were interested. They weren’t interested they were jealous.

        • Chris

          “They had some resources . . . ”

          What does that mean? Where did the resources come from?

          Who did the Blanks learn from?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “What does that mean? Where did the resources come from?”

            Raw materials came from nature.

          • Chris

            “Raw materials came from nature.”

            So I can just go and dig up some say, diamonds etc? How does that work? Even if I was able to go out on the land and take what I wanted without a conflict with another doing the same, that is a lot of work and would take forever.. Any ideas as to how I can get all that stuff from NATURE faster without all the hard work ? ? ? ? ?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “So I can just go and dig up some say, diamonds etc?”

            Some times you can do that. It depends on issues of sovereignty and ownership.

            “How does that work?”

            Go to school and get permission from the sovereign and or owners.

            “Even if I was able to go out on the land and take what I wanted without a conflict with another doing the same, that is a lot of work and would take forever.”

            I’ll tell you what; you go and find a lawless land that has diamonds and I’ll advise you how to handle it from their for only a small commission. IT doesn’t take “forever” to establish projects like that.

            “Any ideas as to how I can get all that stuff from NATURE faster without all the hard work ? ? ? ? ?”

            Learn how to lead a project in a profitable way and find partners and employees. That’s how it’s done.

          • Chris

            ahh employees! Interesting, but employees cost money. Is there a way I can pay them nothing, or at least, as little as possible? I either do not have any money to pay employees or I am a Konservative. Any ideas?

            As for permission, why do I need that. I thought nature just provided according to your simplistic reply earlier.. What if the permission is not forthcoming? Should I use force to take what I want?

            You do not ask basic questions and I suspect it is becuase you take much for granted. Stuff just happens, right?

            “Not to know what happened before we were born is to forever remain a child”.

            Marcus Tullius Cicero 106 BC – 43 BC

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “ahh employees! Interesting, but employees cost money. Is there a way I can pay them nothing, or at least, as little as possible?”

            That’s up to you to negotiate. What you need is a good business school, not just an Internet connection with only a desire to troll people that know how to create things.

            “I either do not have any money to pay employees or I am a Konservative. Any ideas?”

            You need a more clearly defined project outline.

            “As for permission, why do I need that. I thought nature just provided according to your simplistic reply earlier.. What if the permission is not forthcoming?”

            You asked me for a specific answer in the case of SA, where there was no sovereign. Now you’re asking more general questions where the answer depends on specific circumstances.

            “Should I use force to take what I want?”

            It depends. Usually not. But some times yes. You need to be more specific with your questions and defining circumstances.

            “You do not ask basic questions and I suspect it is becuase you take much for granted. Stuff just happens, right?”

            What questions do I need to ask you? None. I don’t need anything from you.

            “Not to know what happened before we were born is to forever remain a child”.

            Make your point clearly if you can, Marcus.

      • bookish1

        Yeah, because the rest of Africa is run so well by natives.

        • Chris

          The colonial powers ran it so well they lost the entire continent. Your point?

      • alericKong

        Issac Netwon, Gaileio and recently Einstein.

        • Chris

          Oh, so nothing the Blanks actully did themselves. Perhaps you should be praising Newton et al instead of the Blanks.

          • alericKong

            Humbly putting behind superstition and thinking rationally accomplishes much, especially when the effort originates from humanitarianism and not malice. Unfortunately that’s a distinguishing virtue among many in the developing world today.

            I’m sure there have been many hard working agrarian worshipers and greedy narcissists throughout history. Their efforts never amounted to much as they either were insane or ended up destroying their lives.

            Without the principles of modern science, they would be no different than a hard working Zulu.

    • WatchmanontheWall

      That was a great summation. Thanks. You really could not have been clearer. Now, if only many would have eyes to see and ears to hear.

      • Jakareh

        Thank you very much. I tried to get it published as an actual article, but the article submission e-mail doesn’t seem to work.

    • wr

      Jakareh, I would like to share this in an email with friends but who should I attribute it to? “Jakareh”? I can’t find your name on the profile but did find you are a prolific commentator both here and at The Blaze. Please send me a link to your blog if you have one. If you don’t, please consider starting one. Thank you.

      • Jakareh

        That’s very kind of you. Jakareh, of course, isn’t my real name. Up until now, I’ve been in need of anonymity, given my politically incorrect views. Nevertheless, I will be starting a blog soon at olafcastle.com and I’m also at the finishing stages of a novel. The protagonist is a Marine Corps intelligence officer and an unrelenting anti-jihadist.

        Here’s another version of “The Blanks and the Swarts”, which has rhymed dialogue. Share whichever version you prefer with your friends and you can attribute it to Olaf Castle.

        Once upon a time, the Blank family came upon a neighborhood that was sunny and pretty and they decided to build their house there. They were doing a fine job, using the very best materials and applying skillful craftsmanship. Nearby lived another group of people, the Swart gang. The members of the gang lived in holes. They did not know how to build a house nor did they want to learn, as they preferred to spend all their time fighting one another. When the Swarts saw the Blanks working on their home, they got angry. They said, “That isn’t fair, that isn’t good. There should be no one but us in this neighborhood. We like to graze our goats, fight, and have a ball. Let’s go there and kill them all!”
        The Swarts set upon the Blanks. Though outnumbered, the Blanks were brave and smart and they beat the Swarts back with ease. The Swarts hurt all over from the fight, but they did not give up on trying to prevent the house from being built. They threw rocks, they crept in at night and tried to burn it down. The Blanks were always vigilant, however, and the Swarts did not succeed.
        At last, in spite of all the harassment and hostility, the Blanks finished their house. The Swarts looked at it with amazement: it was beautiful and strong and filled with furniture and other nice things. The Swarts ached with envy because they knew they would never be able to build such a house. The leader of the Swart gang was called Madiba and he was smarter than the other Swarts. Madiba said, “Hey, that’s our house too! We’ve been here all this while, so why is it just for you? You should be nice and learn how to share. Open the door and let us get in there!”
        The Blanks said, “Nohow, no way. Out you are and out you’ll stay. This is our house that we built. We’ll keep you out and feel not a bit of guilt.” And to show they meant what they said, the Blanks put up a tall fence around their house, which they called the “Separation”, and they never allowed any of the Swarts to go beyond it.
        For a while, things went on much like that. One day, however, the Blanks received a visit from the Linkses, their cousins from afar. The Linkses said, “But a short way hence, the poor Swarts sit outside your fence. Madiba, who is so very nice, told us your heart is cold as ice! Look around, there’s plenty of space. The Swarts deserve a share of this big place. Since we are related, it embarrasses us that you’re so hated!”
        The Blanks replied, “Truly, you fail to understand. You just don’t see the situation at hand. The Swarts are no friends of ours. If they get in, they’ll kick us, they’ll punch us, and they’ll hit us with iron bars!”
        “The Swarts have a grievance and they are right, for you have treated them with spite. Let them in come in through the door and you’ll be friends forevermore!”
        The Blanks still refused. Angry at their cousins for not doing as they said, the Linkses left. Pretty soon, the Blanks noticed they were no longer being invited to any family get-togethers. Though they could not understand why their cousins were taking the Swarts’ side against them, they were not concerned. They lacked for nothing and the Linkses lived far, far away.
        However, as time went by the Blanks who had built the house got old. The day came when their children took charge. Thanks to the Separation, the young ones had never had to fight the Swarts. They were tired of being called “meanies” by their cousins and of being kept out of the family get-togethers, especially all the fun games.
        The young Blanks proudly tore down the fence their fathers had built, saying , “We have taken down that ugly Separation. It was indeed an abomination! Come in, Swarts, our dear friends! We are resolved on making amends!”
        Madiba was the first one to step across the threshold. Smiling, he said, “Thank you very much, my good brother. From today on, we are friends to each other. I now ask a favor, brother dear, that you and yours move into this nice broom closet here. Everywhere else will be for me and mine, and I’m sure you’ll think that fair and fine. There’s one last thing, if may call it, please pass me your wallet.”
        The Linkses now invite the Blanks to all the family get-togethers. The Blanks seldom go because they are wary of leaving their broom closet—the Swarts think it’s a lot of fun to grab the Blank girls and throw them to the ground. Moreover, the Blanks can’t avoid stepping on the icky dung from the goats the Swarts keep inside the house. And if they make it to their car, they find the Swarts have borrowed the tires, the gasoline, sometimes even the engine. But no one calls the Blanks “meanies” any more, or maybe only once in a while, and that means they lived happily ever after.

        THE END

        • Moa

          Very good analogy Jakreh.

        • wr

          Thank you. I look forward to reading both!

        • camp7

          Poetic analogies, nice touch.

    • TheOrdinaryMan

      Kind of like what would happen in Israel if the Israeli’s dismantled the “Separation.”

      • Jakareh

        Or to the United States after a few more “amnesties”.

    • Neo

      Not quite, Jakar-whatever.
      More like, the Swarts were living in the jungle on the other side of the world, doing their thing far away from the Blanks.Then the Blanks marched in with guns and forced the Swarts to go and live in the desert where there was nothing to eat. The Blanks said, If you build our houses and do all the hard work that we don’t want to do, we’ll let you have a crust every now and then, after which you can eff off back to the desert. We’ll use you like animals because we think you are animals.

      Not surprisingly, the Swarts didn’t take too kindly to this treatment. Also, when the younger generation of Blanks were born they realized that their parents were a pack of thieves, and slavemasters, etc. and etc. . . .

      .

      • Kepha Hor

        Actually, the Afrikaner population had a very large class of people who labored themselves.

        • Chris

          Intersting, but not relevant to Neo’s point.

          • jeepwonder

            Yes, actually it is. You just don’t like the conclusion it might lead you to.

          • Chris

            Yeah your right the majority of Afrikaner were exploited and had virtually no rights. I don’t know how I forgot that historical fact.

          • jeepwonder

            Chris, you’re coming at this from a very peculiar position. That only whites ever exploited the natives of this area, even if the Zulu tribe did more violence to the real natives than the white people ever did.

          • Kepha Hor

            Chris comes from the typical miseducated American position. How do I know? I’m a professional swindler of the young–namely, a public school social studies teacher.

          • Chris

            All you clowns are ethnocentric nationalists and quite adversarial. What is striking about your beliefs is they are in direct conflict with your favorite philospher’s elementary moral principles and definition of a hypocrite.

          • Kepha Hor

            In fact, a very large portion of the Afrikaner population was either urban or rural proletarian. Chris, your issue is that your teachers felt they needed to turn the racial issue of SA into a class struggle that was neatly delineated in black and white. pun intended.

            Before the ANC came along, Afrikaner nationalists had some pretty big bones to pick with the British (and the Jews), seeing themselves as wrongly dispossessed.

            I’m not saying that the Afrikaners did a wonderful job of running SA in their period of ascendancy from 1948-91. However, I will gladly join with those who call for a little bit of a damper on all the current enthusiasm for Mandela.

          • Chris

            It was a class struggle from the begining. In fact, in broad terms, class struggle is and has been an ongoing issue since the down of human civilization. Accusing some one of turning an economic equality issue into a “class struggle” is typical Amurican speak. You know you can do your own thinking instead of just repeating what you have been told to believe.

      • Chris

        So perhaps the Swarts are not really jealous after all. They are pissed off.

        This sounds like the other side of the story that the hubris extreme right twist temselves into knotts trying to deny. I always find their conservative values so interesting. They love the rule of law, property rights etc etc, but constantly avoid the historical fact that these are liberal values that were promoted by progressive people who did not consider themselves “Conservatives”. I guess when one has an obvious charater flaw, denial is the only option when avoiding honesty.

        • JDinSTL

          If liberals hadn’t become so illiberal, you might have a point.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            If “progressives” knew how to deliver on promises of anything of value…

            Like your plan? Like your doctor? Heaven awaits! Forward!

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “They love the rule of law, property rights etc etc, but constantly avoid the historical fact that these are liberal values that were promoted by progressive people who did not consider themselves “Conservatives”.”

          Wow, you really are stupid. “Conservative” means nothing in a vacuum. Conservative Americans are trying to conserve the values of the American Revolution. The founding fathers were not conservatives until after they won. The constitution was written to conserve the values they fought for.

          Get it? You don’t even understand the “progressive” label. In the USA, the founders believed that progress came from the effort of the people, not government elites. Progressives believe that government should evolve like nature does, and that the ever more complicated world needs a bigger more sophisticated government to deliver the fruits of progress.

          You’re just confused by the jargon.

          And finally, wanting some things and being capable of delivering those things are entirely different and that’s the key point where people clash. You can’t deliver. These days virtually all “progressive” promises are built entirely on fallacies usually created by the Soviets or their Marxist predecessors.

          • Kepha Hor

            In fact, protection of property rights was a long-standing feature of English Common Law. We Americans lucked out on that one.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Correct. The US constitution is essentially an extension of English or British “progressive” ideas about government derived from the “liberal” elements of their past, shed of most of the tyrannical elements.

            In the above paragraph, I use progressive and liberal not as these terms are used in politics today by leftists but in their stricter literal definitions.

          • Chris

            You definitely are a kook.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Confused people like you spout all kinds of nonsense. You clearly don’t understand the terminology or the issues being discussed.

            I’d love to see you try to prove me wrong. Or just call be some other random 4 letter word. Nobody actually cares what you think until you say something significant. You haven’t done that yet.

            By the way, simply believing in communism or socialism doesn’t grant the believer any particular rights.

          • Chris

            “Conservative” means nothing in a vacuum.”

            Absoluttely correct, which why conservatism at its core is reactionary. A happy conservative mind prefers a vacuum. Progressive change is viewed as a threat because a conservative is inherently selfish, only caring about himself and his perceived group.

            You may have noitced over the broad expanse of time that change is inevitable. The conservative mind reacts by refusing to change, but changes nontheless.

            The dichotomy for the conservative is that he benefits from the improvements progressives have made. In reality most conservatives are the useful idiots of the real conservatives. Real conservatives are a very small group, which is why they have never been able to stop progressive change. ERGO, not all conservatives are stupid people, but most stupid people are conservative.
            They fight to keep the rights that progressives won a 100 years ago.

            It’s a maturation and intellect issue.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “…which why conservatism at its core is reactionary.”

            Uh huh. Which means what. What do you do when a building is on fire?

            “A happy conservative mind prefers a vacuum.”

            This makes no sense whatsoever. Is this supposed to be linked to the sentence preceding it?

            “Progressive change is viewed as a threat because a conservative is inherently selfish, only caring about himself and his perceived group.”

            That’s idiotic. Conservatives don’t want THE GOVERNMENT to get in the middle of everything for the sake of supposed “progress.” It has nothing and I mean nothing to do with selfishness vs. altruism.

            “You may have noitced over the broad expanse of time that change is inevitable. The conservative mind reacts by refusing to change, but changes nontheless.”

            You’ve just uttered the mindless progressive slogan. It actually makes no sense. Conservatives expect the sponsor of change to make a rational case, not an emotional case for their projects and “change” programs. That’s the distinction between the left and the right in this nation.

            “The dichotomy for the conservative is that he benefits from the improvements progressives have made. In reality most conservatives are the useful idiots of the real conservatives.”

            It’s obvious you don’t understand how government works at all. For one thing having an opposition party to force the other to make their case is always a good thing.

            “Real conservatives are a very small group, which is why they have never been able to stop progressive change. ERGO, not all conservatives are stupid people, but most stupid people are conservative.”

            You’ve got the leftist delusion going on in your head.

            “They fight to keep the rights that progressives won a 100 years ago.”

            So in your mind, today’s tea party movement for example wants to “roll back” the “rights that progressives won a 100 years ago?”

            You’re quite delusional.

            “It’s a maturation and intellect issue.”

            And you are how old?

          • Chris

            Of course none of what I said makes sense to you. Your into to blind belief.

            I am delusional? I am not the one here that is a Christian Amurican. Nor am I a tea party useful idiot.

            BTW, your beloved Amurica in reality has only one political party. There is no real joice. 50% of Amuricans do not bother to vote.

            God Bless Amurica !

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Of course none of what I said makes sense to you. Your into to blind belief.”

            It’s perfectly clear to me what you said. I probably understand it better than you do. I’m very confident about that. It’s just blustering rhetoric.

            “BTW, your beloved Amurica in reality has only one political party. There is no real joice. 50% of Amuricans do not bother to vote.”

            Holy cow! Imperfect democracy? Say it ain’t so! I guess we’ll have to be satisfied for now with equal opportunity and equality before the law.

            I suppose you’ll help us reboot this imperfect democracy and we’ll experience all kinds of wonderful “progress” from social civilization designers and their ingenuity. That always works so well with that central planning magic.

          • Chris

            Blustering rhetoric you say.

            “equal opportunity and equality before the law.”

            What century is playing in your head? Amurica is one
            of the most unequal countries in the OECD. As for the rule of law and equality, you must be joking. Illegal wars, torture, and an assassination
            list run right out of the White House, not to mention the suspension of habeas corpus are all US policy. Very impressive.

            Your excuse is “Imperfect democracy”.

            You do not extend that same understanding when it comes to politcal philosophies and systems you do not favour even when they are more democratic than Amurica.

            It is not hard to figure out in which country you received
            your education.

            God Bless Amurica and all it’s useful idiots!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “What century is playing in your head? Amurica is one
            of the most unequal countries in the OECD.”

            Evidently you need to work on English comprehension.

            “As for the rule of law and equality, you must be joking. Illegal wars, torture, and an assassination
            list run right out of the White House, not to mention the suspension of habeas corpus are all US policy. Very impressive.”

            Our enemies will always try to agitate with propaganda. Whether you’re an enemy propagandist or a dupe I guess doesn’t matter to this conversation.

            “God Bless Amurica and all it’s useful idiots!”

            That’s funny coming from you.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “You do not extend that same understanding when it comes to politcal philosophies and systems you do not favour even when they are more democratic than Amurica.”

            Sure I do. You’re simply an idiot without a clue so you spout nonsensical accusations.

          • Chris

            “equal opportunity and equality before the law.”

            It must take extrondinary effort to not know how rediculous this statement is given the documented evidence of, for example, the past decade; much of it reported by Amurican corporate media.

            You haven’t refuted one of my accusations. Instead you dismiss them out of hand as nonsensical. I suspect it is because you know full well they are not controversial. Keep believing in Amurican mythology. It is obviously your preferred form of denial. When are the tuly believers going to blow up your economy again? Before the next business cycle?

            God Bless Amurica.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “It must take extrondinary effort to not know how rediculous this statement is given the documented evidence of, for example, the past decade; much of it reported by Amurican corporate media.”

            The media reports what that contradicts my statements?

            “You haven’t refuted one of my accusations. Instead you dismiss them out of hand as nonsensical.”

            List the supposed unanswered controversies you’ve presented. You don’t actually make that much sense because all you do is sling factoids that I don’t really care about.

            “I suspect it is because you know full well they are not controversial.”

            Controversial yes, because we have allowed virtually any idiot in the world access to the internet and even to our schools to present their stupid victim arguments.

            In the end it’s the best ideas that win. Your ideas are just stupid accusations that are for the most part barely worth laughing at.

            “Keep believing in Amurican mythology. It is obviously your preferred form of denial.”

            Denial of what? You can’t even present your points coherently.

            “When are the tuly believers going to blow up your economy again? Before the next business cycle?”

            We’re still the richest in the world even on our worst day. So how is this an indictment on my ideas? What blows up our economy is trying to act like socialism is a good idea. You clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. No clue at all. You don’t even make sense.

            Keep up the incoherent factoid presentation. Have fun and thank America for your Internet access you idiotic tool.

          • Chris

            Keep up the willful ignorance.

            God Bless Amurica and all its jingoist kooks.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I’m not at all ignorant about idiots like you. You can’t even put one coherent thought down.

            “You do not extend that same understanding when it comes to politcal philosophies and systems you do not favour even when they are more democratic than Amurica.”

            You should copy and paste from articles that have correct spelling. You’ll still be an idiot but you might fool a few of your comrades. As it is you’re a joke to anyone that can read.

      • Jakareh

        Whites who settle a new land are “a pack of thieves, and slavemasters, etc. and etc. . . .” Non-whites (or white Muslims) who do the same are merely immigrants, and once they have occupied the land for a few years, they become full-fledged natives.

        That’s why Bantus, such as Nelson Mandela, are rightfully entitled to rule South Africa and claim all its resources, no matter that they originally came from a spot around the Nigeria–Cameroon border, thousands of miles away, and that they displaced and killed off the true natives and Khoisan.

        The only part of South Africa that remained free of Bantu domination, due to climate, was the area around the Cape of Good Hope, and that was where the Dutch settled. Incidentally, there were still Khoisan there and they did not go extinct unlike the ones under the Bantu.

        When the Europeans latter clashed with the Bantus, it was not a conflict between native defender and newly arrived aggressor but between two different sets of conquerors. The losers were both “jealous” and “pissed off”, to use the words of the other nitwit posting here.

        Something else: the white man didn’t invent slavery, but the white man invented abolition.

        In closing, I will tell you what I’ve told some other leftists: keep your posts coming. The ignorance, bias, hatred, and sheer irrationality they display are at least as convincing of the larger point I’ve been trying to make as anything as I could write. That point is: leftists, such as yourself, whether from a moral or intellectual perspective, deserve no more respect than the stuff one wipes from the bottom of his shoes.

        • JDinSTL

          I was thinking a little higher

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Jakareh AKBARRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

    • Hannah Pelham

      true story!

    • dennis x

      The blanks build their house on someone else property. It’s called theft. If the blanks would have just stayed in their own neighborhood and build their home there would be no problem.

      • Jakareh

        The Swarts didn’t the Western legal of private property. They believed the land belonged to the strongest and had taken it from someone weaker in fairly recent times. Have you ever heard of the Khoisan?

        • Kepha Hor

          If Chris hasn’t, I have. As someone with family ties to a number of settler peoples in both the New World and Far East, and who’s read a bit of history beyond what my high school curriculum offered, I’m well aware that perhaps the only people with a high urban civilization still in control of the land on which their ancestors lived around the time people started smelting copper are the Tamils, Mon, Khmer, and Han Chinese of the Middle Huang He basin.

          • Jakareh

            This is an interesting post. There are few peoples who didn’t displace others in order to live on the land they currently occupy. Few know, for instance, that Ireland was inhabited before the Celts arrived, or that Japan was populated by the Ainu before it was settled by the Japanese. The Bantus of Africa—of which Mandela’s Xhosa people are a subdivision—certainly were not among the “nice guys” who never conquered another people’s land. In fact, they are among the most aggressive expansionists. The only ethnicities I can think of that control a country without ever having displaced another people are the Icelanders and the Malagasy. All others are as “guilty” as the Afrikaners.

      • Kepha Hor

        Let’s call the Blanks by their real name–the Dutch. Why didn’t they stay in their own neighborhood? They opted for Protestantism, their Spanish overlords started massacring them, so they went into the colonies business for themselves (after all, Spain already had all that specie from the New World to pay the Duke of Alva’s troops). Their waystation at the Cape of Good Hope was also the funnel through which you originally got your cup of tea, black pepper, and the “priceless Ming vase” your great-grandmother treasured..

        And, if you’ve got a problem with colonialism, tell Mandela’s Xhosa people, the Sotho, the Venda, Swazi, and Zulu to take their Ntu selves back to the borderlands of Cameroon and Nigeria, and leave the eastern and southern parts of Africa to the Khoisan peoples. And if the Ntu take their cattle with them, the true indigenes can go back to a peaceful life of stone axes, leather loincloths, and hunting.

        • Jakareh

          Again, interesting point. I do believe, though, that the Dutch settlers arrived in South Africa after their mother country had achieved independence, so religious freedom was not their primary motivation. Rather, it was simply land and the opportunity for a better life for them and their children, just like in the case of so many other migrants, including the aforementioned Bantu.

          On the subject of the Bantu of South Africa, the Zulu, which is the largest subgroup, are certainly newer as an ethnicity than the Afrikaners. Whereas the first Dutch settlers arrived in 1692, the Zulu arose in the early 1800s, when Shaka Zulu transformed an insignificant clan of the Nguni into a large nation. Undoubtedly a gifted warrior, Shaka defeated neighboring tribes, massacring the people in huge numbers and forcibly incorporating the remnants (especially young boys) into his empire. Later, he became psychotic, which led to his assassination at the hands of his lieutenants. Now, in the person of Jacob Zuma, the Zulu are once again the rulers of South Africa.

          • Kepha Hor

            Thanks for the clarification.

  • m4253y

    exactly…they are about 75% the way there.

    • Chris

      What happened to the Blanks BTW? Where are they?

  • Lanna

    Very Good Article. I do think Mandella changed in his elder years much like Sadat in Egypt and King Hussein of Jordan.

    • RufusChoate

      You’re mistaken. He never changed it just wasn’t reported as inconvenient to the hagiography.

  • Roadmaster

    Many are referring to South Africa as a hell hole, when in actuality it is a typical of the many “Utopias” created by Leftist/Marxist/Progressive thought. Look how much equality they have? Equal misery for all! Yeah, that’s the ticket…..

    Apartheid was terrible but what has replaced it is infinitely worse. Satan promotes hatred among God’s children and SA is some of his “best” work. Mandela is no doubt being debriefed by his master right now, reaping what he sowed, eternal “Apartheid” from God,

  • Big Jim 33

    Mandela was the “good” kind of terrorist bomber (e.g., Church Street Station), just as black racism is the “good” kind of racism.

  • 12banjo

    Well, at least Obama has made an idiot of himself trying to appropriate Mandela–”Hey, I’m Nelson! See my Picture!”– Last night on NPR was a long gushing tribute to NM (so they wouldn’t have to say a word about Obamacare)…and had someone who knew NM in prison who described the man as disciplined.

    Recommend your staff listens to this, it is kind of unintentionally amusing. “NM was very disciplined. He had a rigorous schedule in prison, a time to study,to read, to eat and to exercise and play games.” It didn’t sound like that prison was exactly a concentration camp.

    • Big Jim 33

      Isn’t his “prison” the place where Mandela began cheating on his wife with Winnie? We know he was giving orders to bomb/kill white civilians from prison.

    • Crassus

      Obumbler is trying to make himself into the heir of Mandela. At least the heir of Mandela the legend.

  • antisharia

    I’m glad that someone has the guts to tell the whole truth about the man instead of getting all blubbery about what a superman he was.

    • Toa

      I was so glad to see this article, after seeing even the Conservative blogosphere fawning over this Communist terrorist. Evidently some of us are still afraid to be called “racist”.

      • JDinSTL

        It’s a mixed bag. I’ll say this, when he was President there, he actually submitted to the law – unlike the current POTUS.

        • Kepha Hor

          I think you may have a point, JD. However, I’m of the mind that the force of circumstances in the late ’90′s early 2000′s pretty much forced Mandela’s hand.

  • No RNC

    Good review Mr. Horowitz….wonder what Ilana Mercer has to say…the USA is next “Into the Cannibal’s Pot”!

  • Big Jim 33

    I remember very well that as the U.S. began the war against the Taliban after 9/11, Mandela just had to make a public statement that the U.S was “racist” and wouldn’t be doing that if the Taliban were white.

  • PAthena

    It was a sociologist, Verwoerd, “intellectual,” who invented apartheid. I think the situation in South Africa before this invention was much better.
    The leader of the Zulus was Buthelezi, a much better man that Mandela. (Mandela was not a Zulu.) What happened to him?

    • RufusChoate

      Yes, he was sane and not a Marxist. He is in the Parliament and somewhat influential.

  • Gee

    Mandela never met a terrorist he didn’t support.

    • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 aemoreira81

      Well, it’s not as if the Boers were any better vis a vis human rights either. One will say that crime was lower, but it came at the cost of human rights.

      • RufusChoate

        Actually the record is clear the Boers were better on Human Right than the ANC. It is undeniable to all but the insane.

        • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 aemoreira81

          Barely…the only difference really is keeping law and order.

  • wally

    50 murders per day! the legacy of black rule.
    What is Obath-house’s legacy in the USA?
    The same black mob rule has started there too.

    • Dallas25305

      That’s what Obama wants as long as it’s not his son Trayvon that’s a victim.

  • wally

    These comments are heavily censored presumably by some fat lesbo femi-journo-shmourno.

  • Chris Behme

    Mandela did for SA what Coleman Young did for Detroit and what Obama plans to do to America.

    • Roger Dewhurst

      Perhaps not as fast as Zuma and the like will do.

    • Kepha Hor

      Ouch!

  • MukeNecca

    “Mandela prevented massacre of whites”?

    Do people who uncritically repeat such an opinion really think that if the ANC had good chance to win war against whites, a war an attempted massacre would surely ignite, would it heed Mandela’s call for reconciliation? Besides, it is doubtful Mandela would have issued such a call.

  • ApolloSpeaks

    BARACK OBAMA: THE ANTI-MANDELA PRESIDENT

    On the death of Nelson Mandela yesterday Obama had this to say: “I am one of the countless millions who drew inspiration from Nelson Mandela’s life. I cannot fully imagine my own life without the example set by him….We will not likely see the likes of Nelson Mandela again.”

    Where, Mr. President, is evidence of this inspiration? Where as president of this country are you following the example of the Great South African Uniter? You say “We will not likely see the likes of Nelson Mandela again.” Why not, Mr. President? Why can’t we see his likes in your presidency? What’s stopping you from using him as a model for becoming a national uniter instead of a racial, gender, class and partisan divider? What’s stopping you? Hatred of America. There’s no other answer.

    Click http://www.apollospeaks.com to continue reading.

  • ennis

    “How to be a good Communist by Nelson Mandela”

    http://www.rhodesia.nl/goodcom.html

  • Ziggy Stardust

    Based upon many of these comments below, it’s sad to see people give a bad name to conservatism. I’d like to think these guys are liberals pretending to be conservative jerks, but there are too many “likes” of the offensive comments. (Then again the Left is very good at grass roots organizing to pull off a good smear.)

    While these offensive comments and caustic tone paile in comparison to the hateful vitriol on liberal web sites like Gawker, liberals bloggers take the offensive quiotes on conservative websites and repost them to “prove” how bad conservatism is.

    The conservative who posts caustic comments should think about whether he wants to be effective and do good, or give into his passions and feel good (but do harm)

    • cecil91

      At first I thought you were onto something, but after reading way down the list, I think you are exaggerating. Looks OK to me.

  • jackcb

    I am personally getting disgusted with FNC and last night watched all their commentators — especially Megan Kelly who, with tears in her eyes and lowered voice as if she were talking of one of her own dear departed — lament the passing of Nelson Mandela. With all that’s going on in this country, to spend a whole night in lamentation of someone who was no better than he ought to be, is deplorable.

    • RufusChoate

      White Guilt is an ugly thing.

    • Crassus

      Fox News hasn’t been worth watching since Laurie Dhue left in 2008.

      • Jakareh

        I remember Laurie Dhue was hot. Was she also a conservative?

    • Big Jim 33

      It’s important to not be near a tv without a remote in your hand at all times for a quick channel change.

  • D.Paul.Beck

    Favorites page, top of list, http://www.HarpazoTV.com

  • EarlyBird

    So, let’s see: South Africa’s problem doesn’t have anything to do with generations of brutal apartheid and white minority rule. It all some how sprung from Mandela once he was finally freed. Got it.

    Mandela was by no means a perfect man. But boy does South Africa – includng white South Africans – owe him an amazing debt of gratitude that he had not become embittered by his long persecution and imprisonment and turn into a warrior, but a peace maker.

    His job in life was to end Apartheid. It’s really up to others to fix and govern South Africa.

    • Dallas25305

      You need to calm down. He was 95 years old for heaven sakes. Didn’t these crybabies think he would die some time. Most people are not going to reach that age. He may not be the worst guy but I don’t think he was a saint either.

      • EarlyBird

        Who’s crying about Mandela’s passing, Dallas? I’m “crying” about Horowitz’s expected poisonous take on the man’s life. Chill out.

        Horowitz is a truly wretched human being.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “I’m “crying” about Horowitz’s expected poisonous take on the man’s life.”

          Specifically what do you consider “poisonous” that he wrote?

        • Bigfoot Steve

          Horowitz is a truly wretched human being.

          But the guy you and others are deifying who killed innocent people is a swell guy, lol.

    • RufusChoate

      It might be useful to understand that the majority of Xhosa and Zulu migrated to South Africa for the highest standard of living and black literacy in Africa. Even today it produces 25% of the GDP wealth of all of Africa.
      One word as a cautionary tale– Mugabe’s Zimbabwe.

      • EarlyBird

        I understand that. But two things are true simultanously: Apartheid was cruel and horribly unjust, and the European imperialists who built that country did nonetheless build something of great value that a lot of African neighbors can admire.
        Mandela started out as an angry man willing to wage war for freedom (and you and I might have become terrorists if we were trying to throw off the shackles of some generations-long Chinese imperialist apartheid in America). Ultimately, he forsook violence and became a leader of freedom and peace and led the country to end apartheid in that way, rather than a cataclysmic civil war. That’s a pretty cool thing.
        Is he responsible for all of the dysfunction that exists in South Africa? You mean while he was spending half of his life behind bars he also need to remake the entire country’s culture too? Horrorwitz is ridiculous: “blame Mandela for the problems of South African today.”
        So we know Mandela’s odyssey. What about Horrorwitz? He started out as a bitter, ugly, miserable communist propagandist, constantly engaged in a political civil war, and then swung to the far right to become an ugly, miserable, right wing propagandist constantly engaged in a political civil war. He’s just poisonous.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Is he responsible for all of the dysfunction that exists in South Africa? ”

          No. But neither did he turn the place in to Utopia. Just tell the balanced truth, or at least don’t get angry if others decide to tell the other side.

      • 11bravo

        Whaa??? Follow through?

    • Big Jim 33

      Gaybird is still being gay. Can’t change your stripes, bigot boy?

    • American1969

      That’s why they’re all butchering each other all over the continent of Africa—-no better than the whites they accuse. Typical Lefitst attack.

      • EarlyBird

        Uh huh. There was really no such thing as Apartheid, was there, idiot? It was all just made up by leftist communists!

  • EarlyBird

    You’re just a little ray of sunshine, ain’t ya?

    • UCSPanther

      I have no illusions about what happens AFTER revolutions. Their track record throughout history ain’t that great.

      • EarlyBird

        Mandela had every reason – and the ability – to become an embittered, vicious warlord upon his release from prison, exacting horrific revenge on white South Africa. he chose the exact opposite approach. This makes him a great man and worth celebrating. He was by no means perfect, but a very real human whose ultimate legacy is very positive.
        Any dysfunction in South Africa is not do to any movement he created.

        • Apostle Gideon Prinsloo

          EarlyBird, you are a typical liberalist and calling the Afrikaners liberalists. Today there are more poverty since Mandela took power where black people are suffering more than they ever had suffered and the ANC killed more black people in the townships and not the Afrikaners as you are accusing us at all, Also the Genocide against us Afrikaners were staged by Nelson Mandela and Mandela was in jail because of his terrorist acts and murdering, including both blacks and whites, what about the Shell House in Johannesburg where the Zulus were mowed down by the command of Nelson Mandela, when the Police want to investigate Mandela blocked them and not allowing them in and killed the case very quick since the Zulus who are the largest ethnic group in South Africa, also black was supposed to be wiped out according to Mandela. How does it feel to worship a terrorist like him?

          • Kepha Hor

            Mynheer Prinsloo, American liberals can’t tell a Xhosa from a Zulu from a Venda from a Cape Colored.

          • Chris

            Sounds like your complaint is that the current rulers of SA are much the same as the Afrikaners rulers. The only debate from your point of view is who is worse. Seems to me things are unfolding just the way the greedy like it, the guy with the biggest stick wins. Instead of being frustrated, why not just change teams sports fan?

          • Chris

            But they can vote. Just like in Amurica.

          • Apostle Gideon Prinsloo

            Chris, the voting means nothing if white Afrikaners are prevented into the South African economy and at the same time the non-ANC blacks, those who are not ANC members who are also locked out of the mainstream economy since the ANC Government wants to control every aspect of the economy and of this nation, too much concentration of power in the hands of the ANC. In South Africa the ANC only have 3’000’000 members who are given access into the economy and job creation. If you don’t have ANC membership card you are locked outside of the SA economy, which is manipulation used against the opposition of the ANC. With the contracts to businesses into the government, again only the ANC members get those contracts and also through bribery, then there is also the affirmative actions that is taking place. You might ask how it is that the ANC are in power with only 3’000’000 members out of over 50’000’000 people. Very easy, the liberal leftist don’t need a majority and a large number, only a very small number to take over the government and nation by taking over key position in government and media, which the ANC had done successfully and is also a member of the Socialist alliance International. In 1994 Nelson Mandela staged the Genocide against the Afrikaners too as part of the ethnic cleansing from where he, Ronnie Kasrils and Winnie Mandela and Thabo Mbeki sang the Kill the White man song.from where over 70’000 White Afrikaners had been brutally murdered through organized militia who are protected by the ANC Government of South Africa of which over 4’000 are white farmers. Then the number is also rising if we count in the numbers of those, including me who had survived miraculously even though brutally attacked by the black thugs without the black police doing anything about it. Last year South Africa had been placed on stage 6 of the Genocide by the Genocide Watch International and on its way to stage 7 and also that the Afrikaners had been alienated from the economy and labor markets. Also the black people are suffering far more and especially if they are non ANC where the ANC members keep terrorising them through violence. What is the use to vote in South Africa if the ANC already determined the results together with the DA and intimidate the black people who do not vote for them by letting them know that they know where they live, their families, parents, children and spouses and that they will do serious harm to these poor black people if they dare to vote against the ANC for other parties at the voting stations where they are very strong present, which the MSNBC, CNN and CBS and ABC and other Media Outlets never tell the public in the US. But the Americans are not so stupid as most of the Liberalists think. The Liberalists are in a minority yet controls the media and in so doing control the flow of information to determine what they want the people to know and spread lies as part of the propaganda to bring the Liberalists in power with the purpose of destroying the constitutions of different nations and their freedom and family structures and pushing through their agenda. The same it is happening in South Africa where through the media there is a great denial of the genocide and many liberals even praise the genocide by claiming that the Afrikaners be wiped out. That war by the liberals against the Afrikaners already started in 1795 by the London Mission Society and the British Empire till today and still couldn’t wiped us out and neither will it happen. Yes the ANC with the support of the UN are busy with selective disarming of Afrikaners to make it easier for our enemies to wipe us out. Jacob Zuma sings his bringing my machine gun and together with Julius Malema since 1994 singing the kill the boer and shut us outside of the employment and even through legislation taking over our own companies we’ve started through hard work and kicking us out of our own companies in order to push us into poverty. At the same time the liberals like you Chris are working so hard to prevent us Afrikaners to be able to immigrate legally to the US and getting citizenship legally and at the same time importing the illegal Mexicans and other groups and push for their amnesty and citizenship. Now I’m here in the US legally and legally married to an American lady but now when applying for citizenship as she is doing it for me, that I must hear that it would take me up to 11 months to get it while with the illegals they just get their citizenship very quick which is clear that liberals wants both the Americans and Afrikaners to be wiped out together with the ISraelis to get us out of your way for your globalization. So don’t try to come and tell us Afrikaners to shut up because at least we can vote and to keep quiet of the terrorism by the ANC and the genocide against us Afrikaners, for you Christ clearly is an enemy of the Afrikaners and also of the conservative patriotic Americans because you also hate America

          • Chirs

            Sorry, I was being sarcasitc about the voting. My swipe at the US again was sarcasim. The US has one of the most undemocratic governments in the developed world, if not the the most undemocratic, and yet we have many Amuriccan posters hear who clearly think otherwise. This should be no surprise considering how brainwashed and poor informed most Amuricans are and the rediculous beliefs that they support. Example, they are the only country in the developed world that believe in the death penalty, widely supported. A huge majority believe that Moses and the dinasours co-existed and the world is only a few thousnad years old.

            As for the The US Government, it is disliked in the extreme around the world by many citizens in many countries. The reason is because the US Government has not promoted democracy internationally as they claim, but quite the opposite. They freely acknowledge that they act in their own best interest, but do not explain what that really means. However, the actions of the US Government is clear. The number one interest they promote is the greed of their weathly elite. This includes illegal wars and the wholesale killing of innocent civilians; war crimes.

            It is evident that many posters here are Amuricans, which would makes sense since this is a US webstie and Hororwitz is an an Amurican shill who operates as an apologiist for his government pathetic foreign policy.

            There is little to admire in Amurican culture. Hubris and belief in blief are a few words that come to mind. God Bless Amurica!

          • Kepha Hor

            I understand your bitterness, Mr. Prinsloo, and as a white American/Hakka Chinese (better half) I’m in no position to preach to someone of other settler stock from elsewhere. But, at the risk of doing the too little too late thing, is it right to knock the London Missionary Society? They were every bit as Reformed as you Afrikaners, only they used the Westminster Standards rather than the Heidelberg Catechism, Belgic Confession, and Canons of Dort. Perhaps, when the Bantu peoples started following them, it might have behooved you Afrikaners to do a little creative application of Paul’s teaching in Ephesians 2:11ff.? We white Americans might have studied those verses a little more carefully back before 1804, too, and probably would’ve spared ourselves a considerable amount of grief (especially since our own most brilliant Calvinist mind of the colonial period, Jonathan Edwards, had taught that the ultimate destiny of the “Negroes and Indians” was to be peers of Christian white folk). Please don’t take this as my going after the speck in your eye while ignoring the log in my own. I’m truly aware of the latter.

            BTW, my wife and daughter-in-law are legal immigrants, too. Welcome to the USA. As a former consular officer, I’m of the mind that Obama’s proposed immigration reform ought to include a provision that every consul and immigration inspector at ports of entry should be equipped with a stamp to mark “sucker” on the forehead of everyone who immigrates by the legal route [jaundiced grumpiness on my part].

          • EarlyBird

            Boo hoo. What about it? I’m not saying that Mandela was perfect or uncomplicated. I’m saying he was a hero to your nation, perhaps especially to white South Africans. In most any other African nation you and your family would have been killed by now.

            Gideon, you should be thanking God that the liberation of black South Africans from centuries of brutal colonization and oppression, ending in the ugliness which was Apartheid, was led by Mandela and not the average warlord that black Africans seem to get as their leaders.

          • Apostle Gideon Prinsloo

            EarlyBird, you believe every single thing being said be your Liberal Media who is fighting to destroy Christianity. Already in 1994 when Mandela took office, already he came and sing the Kill the Boer with the Umkhonto We Sizwe and staged the Genocide against the White Afrikaners, first of all trying to disarming all white Afrikaners, secondly denying all the white Afrikaners of employment and retrench many through law even from private companies or if the business owners doesn’t want to do it then imprisonment for 25 years. Also making it impossible for whites to start up businesses through the BEE. Since 1994 already over 70’000 white Afrikaners murdered without the police doing anything about it and the government under Mandela applauding that and many being killed by police and still counting, then also including those who did survived the brutal attacks and landed in hospital, adding that, which is up to over 300’000 more and our houses being plundered and we being forced from our farms and from our jobs because of Nelson Mandela who gave that order. Also most of the blacks, close to 99% were killed by the ANC militia themselves by orders of Nelson Mandela to instil fear on black people against anyone who refused to turn against Gatsha Buthelezi and Lucas Mangope who had more than 95% of blacks behind them compare to the ANC with less than 5%. Also in 1994′s election there was widespread intimidation by the ANC against the blacks who did not vote ANC and also many youngsters younger than 18 years, as young as 10 years who also voted as the ANC brought the voters letters to them as well as many illegal immigrants from Zimbabwe and Mozambique who voted and widespread election fraud. Off course the Liberal Media does not report on that. The unemployment among both black and white was less than 5% when Mandela took office, from where unemployment started to increase rapidly and now today is over 50%. Crime escalated under Nelson Mandela’s reign already and corruption and also many blacks are still intimidated and terrorized by the ANC, yet off course you would deny that because you are a liberal. Also the Apartheid was not like the fascist as the media made you to believe. Since Verwoerd took power, he worked very hard to revive the native cultures of both the Afrikaners and of black ethnic groups, which was not allowed under the British Rule since Verwoerd acknowledged the different cultures in South Africa and gave many lands back to the different native tribes which was annexed by the British Empire. Also colonialism ended 31 May 1961 and among both black and white the South African had one of the highest educational standards in the world till Mandela took power where everything changed. Yet the Afrikaners are accused for all the crime by the ANC by the Liberal Media on whom you are relying yet it was the ANC who attacked and killed and oppressed many black people during the apartheid times to force them into submission to the ANC in the Hitler, Tse Tung and Stalin stile and now the unemployment and destruction of the economy is also blamed on the Afrikaners by the Liberal Media and the ANC to give the ANC more motivation to wipe out all Afrikaners and Jewish people and to chase us into the sea even though the ANC is responsible for that. Of course Early Bird you would support the Genocide against the Afrikaners and the Jews and also the beginning of the Genocide against the White Americans since America is also for the blacks alone and so too Africa and so too Europe, and off course according to you that is not racism, but when we as White people speak out and standing for Christian principles and together with us the black people, we are called racists, which is clear double standards and focusing in silencing us so that you can continue with your plans and genocide. It is clear EarlyBird that you are a racist black person supporting the New Black Panthers too and want the whites out of the US too even though the whites are the majority. Also you are full of entitlement since you believe that you are owed everything and wants to lay claim to everything without working hard for it. We Afrikaners worked hard to build up the infra structures and the economy in South Africa without entitlement and build up and develop agriculture and yet you want to demand everything without working for it, part of socialism of redistributing of wealth to those who don’t even want to work at all but just want to be entitled to all

        • Seek

          Ask yourself how Mandela managed to get INTO prison in the first place. Hint: Back in the early 60s he was, to use your term, “an embittered, vicious warlord.”

          • EarlyBird

            He got into prison by using terrorist tactics as the only way to end a grotesquely unjust system. Ask yourself what tactics you would be willing to use to fight a system like Apartheid imposed upon you, where you enjoyed almost no rights because you were the wrong color.

            He ultimately became a voice of peaceful liberation and that’s a pretty wonderful thing.

        • Moa

          EarlyBird, of course Mandela was magnanimous, because the Communists were *defeated* and *utterly discredited* (until the West forgot what really happened, and the Young thought they were so smart but really knew nothing and ridiculed the wisdom of the Old).

          Do you really think that Mandela the Terrorist (who killed numerous people in multiple bombings and refused to accept release offers if only he would renounce violence) would have been so magnanimous if the Soviet Union had won the Cold War? really?

          You are Stalinist. Don’t the *innocent* civilian victims of Mandela deserve to be remembered and counted against Mandela the Terrorist?

          • EarlyBird

            You are ridiculous.

            You seem to have determined that Mandela’s use of terror tactics and convenient relationship with communism, ipso facto makes him worse than the system he was fighting. He was fighting a brutally repressive, violently racist system. Take a look at the history of South Africa and Apartheid. It wasn’t just sorta un-PC, it was akin to fascism.

            Like many Third World wars of liberation, Mandela chose the commies only because he had no where else to go. Because he and his people had already lived under hundreds of years of brutal Western “democracy” they could be swayed the commies’ support and weapons. He was hardly Fidel. He (and Ho Chi Minh and countless others) would have sworn to Eskimo ideology if it was the Inuit who had been willing to help them overthrow the remants of Western colonialism.

            Since you wish to indulge in alternate histories, consider how different the last half of the 20th Century could have been had the West been true to its values after WWII and ended its colonies throughout Asia, Africa, Latin America and the Middle East. The Soviets would have had a very hard sell.

          • louanchi

            HARKIS LES CAMPS DE LA HONTE

            lien vers http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xl0lyn_hocine-le-combat-d-une-vie_news

            En
            1975, quatre hommes cagoulés et armés pénètrent dans la
            mairie de Saint Laurent des arbres, dans le département du
            Gard. Sous la menace de tout faire sauter à la dynamite, ils
            obtiennent après 24 heures de négociations la dissolution du
            camp de harkis proche du village. A l’époque, depuis 13 ans,
            ce camp de Saint Maurice l’Ardoise, ceinturé de barbelés et de
            miradors, accueillait 1200 harkis et leurs familles. Une
            discipline militaire, des conditions hygiéniques minimales,
            violence et répression, 40 malades mentaux qui errent désoeuvrés
            et l’ isolement total de la société française. Sur les quatre
            membres du commando anonyme des cagoulés, un seul aujourd’hui
            se décide à parler.

            35
            ans après Hocine raconte comment il a risqué sa vie pour
            faire raser le camp de la honte. Nous sommes retournés avec
            lui sur les lieux, ce 14 juillet 2011. Anne Gromaire,
            Jean-Claude Honnorat.

            Sur radio-alpes.net – Audio -France-Algérie : Le combat de ma vie (2012-03-26 17:55:13) – Ecoutez:
            Hocine Louanchi joint au téléphone…émotions et voile de
            censure levé ! Les Accords d’Evian n’effacent pas le passé, mais
            l’avenir pourra apaiser les blessures. (H.Louanchi)

            Interview du 26 mars 2012 sur radio-alpes.net

        • Kepha Hor

          Actually, Mandela walked out of prison at a time when the Communist bloc that might’ve helped him create the Hellhole that might’ve been was crumbling faster than people at the US State Department could say “What’s happening”? (I was there at the time). He was faced with a world in which if he wanted help, he’d have to get it from a Western world that could choose not to support a kleptocracy/greatleadership.

          Sure, the Apartheid regime was horrible. But the Communist proclivities of the ANC and the decline of SA can’t be denied.

          • EarlyBird

            I’m not denying those commie proclivities. But let’s not make Mandela into Fidel Castro, either.
            The sad thing is that so many communist insurgenices in Third World had far less to do with the ideology they aligned themselves with, and far more to do with a desire for independence from the remaining colonial grip of the Great Powers’ colonies. The Soviets and Mao were they only means available to them. If the West had been true to its values post-WWII, and undid its colonies, we would likely not have had the Vietnam War, Fidel Castro, and countless communist horror shows throughout much of Latin America, Africa and the Middle Easet, and the communists’ nonsense would be seen in a lot less romantic way by many lefty college kids today.
            Regarding Mandela, I think on the whole he did a lot more to decrease human misery than increase it, and the reflex by many on the right to sh*t on his memory is just petty politics.

        • JDinSTL

          If the pathology there didn’t mimic the pathology in every other nation on the subsaharan portion of that continent, you might be right

          • EarlyBird

            So not only was he responsible for ensuring that South Africans eliminate Apartheid while he was spending half of his life in a jail cell, but also for reforming the entire African tribal culture. I see.

            But you miss the point: Mandela did NOT become a Mugabe, Idi Amin, etc., but an exception to the rule.

        • Judahlevi

          “Mandela had every reason – and support – to become an embittered, vicious warlord upon his release from prison, exacting horrific revenge on white South Africa. Instead, he chose the exact opposite approach.”

          This is how a liberal thinks. They actually believe that someone is defined by their skin color and that those evil light-skinned individuals in South Africa deserved to be slaughtered by the good dark-skinned individuals. In other words, this ‘liberal’ is a racist.

          The ‘noble savage’ motif is a very important part of the liberal worldview. It is also collectivist, just as racism and sexism are. This person has no real understanding of human relations or how to improve them.

          • EarlyBird

            You’re an idiot. Mandela had every reason to want to exact revenge, and instead he chose to be a man of peace.
            You’re the one hung up on color and race.

          • Judahlevi

            The other quality of a ‘liberal’ is to call names. They have called me every name under the sun – just as any child will do when they don’t get their way.

            Being in prison for 27 years (or any other time frame) does not give ANYONE the right to go out and murder people just because of their skin color.

            You don’t cure racism by reversing it. Every person is an individual, not a skin color.

          • EarlyBird

            Mandela attempted reform using the judicial and political system against monstrously unjust and violent system. He was attacked for using these means, so became a terrorist. During his imprisonment he continued to work for the end to apartheid, and when he came out he was a man fully dedicated to non-violence.
            All which makes you an idiot.

          • Kepha Hor

            Judahlevi, you and Moa made some of the best points I’ve seen here.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Mandela knew that if he went on the warpath, the “Blanks” would have destroyed him and his cult.

    • MLCBLOG

      Truth is truth. Go, Panther!!

  • emptorpreempted

    This is the definitive statement on Mandela, as far as I’m concerned.

  • Godagesil Rex

    Necklacing was done with gasoline and an old tire. Gas was poured inside the tire and put over the head of the unfortunate and set alight. It was not done with an oil filled inner tube.

  • 11bravo

    Mandela left no mess behind – apartheid did. Churchill thought the Indians incapable of self government – who would have thought.
    Blacks were kept ignorant, uncivilized, and uneducated for over 200 years, and because they can’t do a Marshall plan to rebuild – or maintain – an industrial/agricultural society somehow it is Mandela’s fault, or SA blacks in general.
    You have to be pretty closed minded and ignorant to not acknowledge the deficit blacks had to overcome.
    The US should be down there offering help.

    • RufusChoate

      The per capita wealth and literacy rate of township black plummeted by the expressed policies of the ANC who issued a boycotts on all education for 25 years or more and target Black Professionals.

      • 11bravo

        That is some weak tea Rufus.

    • Big Jim 33

      Dear moron: trash like you are featured in Horowitz’ book, “Just Blame Whitey”. You are the worst kind of bigot around, knuckledragging gayboy.

      • 11bravo

        Dear JimBob,
        Haters gonna HATE!

        • Big Jim 33

          Spoken like a knuckledragging gayboy. Haven’t you found anybody to marry you yet? Too homely and repulsive?

          • 11bravo

            There you go again!

          • Big Jim 33

            Just because you have gay marriage, doesn’t mean anybody actually wants you. So you spend your time instead going around the internet, being a liberal bigot and saying “whitey be raciss” at every opportunity.

    • ssohara

      Well, I am of Indian heritage, so I totally get that a populace does not want foreign rulers. However, sticking tires filled with gasoline around the necks of your enemies is horrific. Who can defend such actions? Also, massacring white farmers is just as bad as massacring native peoples. People who are truly interested in the rights of man must be willing to defend all men, not just people of the right skin color or nationality. Just because someone’s great-grandfather killed your great-grandfather does not make it right for you to kill him today.

      As far as other people having an obligation to help – it’s great when individuals decide to help other individuals, but no one is obligated to help. People have an obligation to help themselves. India had much wealth stolen by the British but so what? Now the British are gone from India, and it’s up to the Indians to move forward. Same with African countries, other Asian countries, etc. Many organizations in the US do voluntarily help the poor in the third world, sending money to build wells, feed children, etc., and that is wonderful, and God bless them for doing that, BUT – that does not change the fact that each nation must take care of its own people.

      • 11bravo

        I agree completely – that was my point.
        Atrocities and massacre are savage, and never OK.
        Was it OK for the white Afrikaner’s to open fire on demonstrators in Soweto for 25 years. just shoot them in the street? Of course not.
        If the English had not used Indians as part of administering the country, India would be much like S. Africa today. Apartheid was not the same as British colonial rule.
        That is all I am saying. The native S. Africans were not prepared for self rule/self control it takes to run a sophisticated economy/country. Apartheid did that!

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “The native S. Africans were not prepared for self rule/self control it takes to run a sophisticated economy/country. Apartheid did that!”

          Apartheid took away all of the previous sovereign’s ability to rule the land productively? I see.

          Cultural evolution or “progress” is not organic. It comes from education, intelligence and cooperation. Someone has to lead.

          • 11bravo

            Bingo! It is not totally complicated – but yes it is.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Bingo! It is not totally complicated – but yes it is.”

            You’re not being clear. You think “progress” is organic? It’s only organic to man when he can correctly discern good from bad or productive from nonproductive in objective ways. That means he depends on being able to communicate those ideas to peers and descendants.

            It only seems organic because the great cultures that survived and thrived all had that in common. Which is probably where Darwin got his ideas about evolution and competition. But African and other parts of the world did not depend on progress for survival. It’s not organic in the way that you think it is.

            Take a deeper look at history and try to understand what was happening over time and what ideas were dominant in each age. You can’t judge a colonial government from 100 years ago according to what you’ve been taught is ideal government very recently. You apparently have no clue how much our education and philosophers have changed over time, especially as a result of the great wars of this past century.

            And yes, it is very complicated. If it wasn’t you could simply publish a book and tell all of the developing nations how to overcome their problems. Have you done that yet? When I go to help these people, should I be forced to first give away everything that I have first? Not too many people will follow if that becomes the norm. And what will inspire them to follow me if I must first become exactly like them?

      • 11bravo

        Also, as an American of considerable age…I understand why Malcolm X, and the black Panthers wanted to turn to violence. Change was not happening fast enough for them. There cause was just – but that does not excuse all of there actions.
        Hell, our founding fathers also tried diplomacy before violence before the revolutionary war here.
        I would expect any peoples, or person to fight oppression to the extent necessary.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “Mandela left no mess behind – apartheid did.:”

      Sure, under the “Pottery Barn Rules” paradigm.

      “Churchill thought the Indians incapable of self government – who would have thought.”

      Hey dummy, he was worried about sharia enforcement.

      “Blacks were kept ignorant, uncivilized, and uneducated for over 200 years…”

      There’s some truth to that.

      “…and because they can’t do a Marshall plan to rebuild – or maintain – an industrial/agricultural society somehow it is Mandela’s fault, or SA blacks in general.”

      You’re a Marxist dupe. They have plenty of resources. They don’t need a “Marshall Plan.” They need a realistic plan where lazy criminals and other people are told they don’t get free lunch. Who’s going to inform them about that? Obviously not people like you.

      “You have to be pretty closed minded and ignorant to not acknowledge the deficit blacks had to overcome.”

      They had huge deficits to overcome. But those deficits are not entirely the fault of the other guy.

      “The US should be down there offering help.”

      We help plenty. Handouts are not helpful, and often counterproductive. They need education, but often don’t want it.

      • 11bravo

        You said ” Blacks were kept ignorant, uncivilized, and uneducated for over 200 years…”

        There’s some truth to that.


        That is the whole point dude! I do not excuse all the other stuff.
        But, Blacks, Indians, all sub-Saharan Africans etc.. Are not equipped to do the job.
        Or do you think all of us American parents want our kids to strap on suicide vests?
        They…do not want the same thing for their kids as we do – get over it.
        SA is a different story, I just wanted to illustrate a point.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “SA is a different story, I just wanted to illustrate a point.”

          Yes, it’s a different story. But there are many stories of failure. We should indeed learn from those fact-based stories no matter how we feel about them. Maybe we’re in agreement but it’s not clear precisely.

          • 11bravo

            Lighting a tire around a guys neck is pretty clear.
            I think we disagree on whether you or I, are a socialist or not!. It is that simple.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Lighting a tire around a guys neck is pretty clear.”

            The flames might be clear to witnesses. The motives are not clear. There are various contradictory narratives that attempt to explain motives.

            “I think we disagree on whether you or I, are a socialist or not!. It is that simple.”

            I’m not a socialist. Are you?

  • 11bravo

    The way many on this sight are/have advocating getting ready for the armed struggle against “democrats/Obama” that ARE actually transforming our nation today, to slam people like Mandela, or Malcolm X is pretty lazy thinking considering our countries founding.
    Think about it!!!

  • theoprinse

    I am Dutch and I wrote a comment on an article on terrorist Mandela by Michael van der Galien who published(es) here in FrontPageMag in the Dutch blog de Dageljkse Standard. I congretulated van der Galien on the topic of Yernaz Ramautarsing.
    About Mandela van der Galien wrote that Mandela was a Saint and a hero etc. not one word about the socialist evil Mandela really was.
    I commented that Mandela was on his way to hell with his favorite burning rubber necklace around his neck to meet Arafat and Gadafi.
    Mr. Michael van der galien then blocked me from his Dagelijkse Standard.
    Two top parlementarians of Geert Wilders wrote me they have nothing with De Dagelijkse Standard and that what I wrote about the evil Mandela was the truth … and that the Dagelijkse Standard dont like that truth
    Who is Michael van der Galien ?

  • Edward smith

    This is what I expected from this guy. While the rest of the civilized world is commending a man who fought against injustice and racism and apartheid. This guy is, of course, spreading the hatred.

    I wold have been shocked if there was a piece on this site commemorating mandelas life.

    • cjkcjk

      That’s right Eddie, we can’t have righties like David telling the truth.
      Away with him! Off to the reeducation camp for all those who won’t blindly follow the lie.

    • RufusChoate

      You are aware that as a Leftist you’re childish parody of adult. The Left has done the same idiotic hagiography of their thugs since Lenin. Even Stalin was mourned before it became an impediment to Khrushchev and he had to be ousted from public consciousness as a mass murdering sociopath. The International Left locked arms and moved on without a blink of the eye.

    • Big Jim 33

      Go back to Huffpo, gay bigot.

    • American1969

      Hate truth?

  • MLCBLOG

    Thank you, David. This helps me feel sane and not so alone in a world seemingly gone mad.

    • Rosasolis

      Yes, the whole world has indeed gone mad! The Jihad between the
      Sunnies and the Shi-ites throughout the Middle-east is worstening by the day, and is now also spreading rapidly to several countries in Africa.
      The reports of genocide and destruction all over Africa are increasing.
      I can’t help wondering what the fate of South Africa will be when
      Mandela is laid to rest, and the days of glorification are over!
      Several thousands of ordinary honest and hard-working white people –
      who have never supported apartheid, have had to flee the country.
      Some of these families have been living there for more than 200 years!
      The attacks against the farmers have been increasing, and no girl
      or woman can safely go to school or work alone in a car or on a bicycle.
      What will the UN, America, and Europe do when ALL HELL
      breaks loose in South Africa?

  • MLCBLOG

    Ah!! Zimbabwe.

  • Gloria Stewart

    Nelson Mandela was not a political prisoner as he is often portrayed. Amnesty International refused to assign him that honor. To be a political prisoner one must be incarcerated for what one believes and preaches absent a criminal act. Mandela was stopped by police in a car full of explosive which he fortunately never had a chance to put to use.

    Mandela was a member of the South African Communist Party and a leader in the African National Congress (ANC). The ANC might have begun as a legitimate organization but was soon Communist controlled, its chief spokesperson being Joe Slovo, a KGB colonel. After his death and the success of the movement to oust the white government, Slovo’s daughter wrote an editorial in a well known newspaper bragging about her father’s achievements.

    Yet another case of revolutionary movements that call for freedom and democracy and deliver neither, leaving their country in a state of barbarism. Yet the West has another memory lapse and chooses to attack white Europeans. May I have a show of hands from those who believe that Idi Amin was an improvement over Queen Victoria?

  • popseal

    The leftist herd is afraid to break ranks on Mandela ‘praise’. We’re seeing a new chapter in revisionist history being written. Mandela wasn’t sent to prison for no reason. His praise of dictators should not go unreported. The popular culture morons will march in step and sing glories about a man that I’d not want near me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 aemoreira81

      The praise of dictators is more a matter of “strange bedfellows”. This was at the same time that the U.S. was having its civil rights movement in the South, rendering these groups unavailable. The result is a “marriage of necessity” with Soviet communists.

  • Marshall Goodman

    I always thought the socialists/Communists were interested in South Africa only to take over the gold and diamond mines. One of the first things they did was to delist the publicly traded diamond company, DeBeers, so now we don’t know what or who is controlling the company. Obviously, someone released Mandela and had already planned his rehabilitation from street thug to diplomat. The early Mandela was like former Detroit mayor Coleman Young compared to Obama today. Yes, like most countries and cities they control, the socialist leave a huge mess which they ignore once they get what they want — easy money and power.

  • MrUniteUs1

    Beautiful to see Black and White South Africans praise, Nelson Mandela.
    Remember before Nelson Mandela was released only Whites could vote or own land. He supported reconciliation after 27 year of imprisonment.

  • Crassus

    When the truth and the legend don’t coincide, always print the legend.

  • Peter

    I was appalled by David Horowitz’s post on Nelson Mandela. Your words were churlish and vile notwithstanding some of their veracity. That this is all you make of Mandela, speaks volumes about you, rather than anything about him. I feel revolted and sullied and whereas I used to read your posts with some feeling of kinship, I will be approaching your words with unmitigated reserve.

    • Big Jim 33

      Go back to HuffPo where you belong, liar. The internet is filed with pretenders like you who infest the internet, pretending to be conservatives while spewing your trite, politically-correct drivel.

    • American1969

      What’s the matter? Truth hurt? Horowitz knows what he’s talking about, you don’t. Unless you’re a die-hard Regressive Leftist.

  • Guido

    Just one correction, they were not “inner tubes” but “pneumatic tyres” dosed with gasoline!

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Nelson Mandela?

    Who gives a crap.

  • MrUniteUs1

    Do you agree or disagree with Ted Cruz

    Cruz: Mandela Will Live In History for Defenders of Liberty

    December 5, 2013

    (202) 228-7561

    WASHINGTON, DC — U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, reacted today to news of former South African President Nelson Mandela’s passing:

    “Nelson Mandela will live in history as an inspiration for defenders of liberty around the globe. He stood firm for decades on the principle that until all South Africans enjoyed equal liberties he would not leave prison himself, declaring in his autobiography, ‘Freedom is indivisible; the chains on any one of my people were the chains on all of them, the chains on all of my people were the chains on me.’ Because of his epic fight against injustice, an entire nation is now free.

    “We mourn his loss and offer our condolences to his family and the people of South Africa.”

    • Jakareh

      I personally agree with him that freedom is precious and that Nelson Mandela was a great champion of his people.

      • Big Jim 33

        So sayeth the obese monkeyboy and country club Republican who favors gay marriage.

        • Jakareh

          You know, you’re pretty dim. I said Mandela was a champion of his people—that is, black South Africans, and the Xhosa tribe in particular. I did not and do not say he was a “champion of freedom” for all people, which many conservatives are babbling like a mantra. He helped to take away the freedom of white South Africans in the country they built by imposing a regime on them that gives them no political rights and no physical security. In fact, that’s what my little allegory was about.

          Oh, and I don’t know why you’d think I favor “gay marriage”, except that you seem to be obsessed with homosexuality.

          • Big Jim 33

            So you’re still in your closet, huh monkeyboy?