Our Articles On Trayvon Martin

trayThere has been a large backlash against the article I wrote a few days ago on Trayvon Martin (“Is the Zimmerman Case Really Open and Shut?”) and also against Arnold Ahlert’s piece in today’s Frontpage (“Framing Trayvon”). About 95% of the comments, maybe more, have attacked the writers of the pieces and in the process disregarded the point both articles were trying to make that like Zimmerman, Trayvon has been turned into a political symbol and the person behind the mask has been lost. The adverse reaction has also served to confirm that a large segment of the conservative community is arguing not only that Zimmerman is innocent of the charge against him, with which Frontpage has no quarrel, but also that Trayvon Martin was a young black thug who deserved to die.

Let me begin by acknowledging that we made some mistakes in framing our pieces, and that I in particular did. Most importantly I should not have given the impression as my title and some of my statements did that I was writing about the legal case and what the verdict should be. Many of the points that were critical of my article referred to the malicious prosecution of Zimmerman and the points of the law that supported Zimmerman’s right to defend himself. These were correct, and on some of those points I stand corrected. I have no disagreement with any of them. I am not a liberal gun controller (as I have been accused of being). I just think it’s a bad idea to arm Neighborhood Watch guards who are not trained as policemen.

What I was writing about – what was important in my view – was that however much Trayvon may have been responsible for the fight that resulted in his death, his portrayal in conservative quarters as a vicious thug are wrong and unjust. In fact he appears to have been a decent teenager with an ambition to go to college and become a pilot. whatever minor trouble he may have gotten into is not too difficult to understand as a child of divorce and growing up in the poisoned racial atmosphere the left has created.

For making this point, which was designed to stimulate some internal second thoughts among conservatives and that shouldn’t have ruffled so many feathers, I have been subjected to a rash of personal attacks. One of them by Debbie Schlussel is quite malicious, even lunatic, and replete with made up “facts” about what I have said and done. Even more puzzling is that all of the attacks seem to be oblivious of the fact that Frontpage generally and I personally have for more than a decade been on the forefront of those opposing the racial arsonists of the left and the civil rights racists whom I have described as a lynch mob with a cracker mentality.

Only two weeks ago I co-authored a piece with John Perazzo on Paula Deen, titled “The Progressive Lynch Mob Claims Another Victim,” (June 26). Just a day before the piece on the Martin-Zimmerman case, Frontpage reposted an excerpt from the pamphlet I wrote with Perazzo this spring called “Black Skin Privilege” which is about the racism of the civil rights left, the free pass that black racists and black criminals get, the unreported epidemic of black crime, the racial preferences that blacks receive, and — the injustice of the attacks on George Zimmerman. I don’t believe anyone else among conservatives or commentators generally has had the temerity to use the phrase “black skin privilege” although that is an accurate description of what thirty plus years of racial intimidation by the left has achieved.

Given these facts I was unprepared for the heat of the attacks directed at me personally, or for the obliviousness of my conservative critics to the contributions I have made in resisting the racial assault on our country by the political left. I wrote the Trayvon article (and commissioned the Ahlert piece) because I thought it was important that conservatives not develop a mob mentality of their own, and second that conservatives remember that there are more than 30 million black Americans the majority of whom are not criminals and who are 95% the victims of black crimes and who need to hear the conservative message. After all, the cities where black crime is rampant and black poverty epidemic are cities like Chicago, Detroit and Washington DC, which are controlled Democrats and progressives, and have been for more than fifty years.

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  • Bill Cervetti

    I too was a bit surprised at the tone of the responses, since most of them portrayed you as Our David Of the Bleeding Heart. If you remember, more than 4 years ago, I took you to task for a piece you wrote right after Obama’s FIRST inauguration, mistaking your perspective altogether, and we had a brief exchange. Among many issues at play in the GZ/TM case is the all-important one of the Neighborhood Patrollers being able to carry a gun. Indeed my very FIRST
    reaction to the story was “WHAT WAS HE DOING CARRYING A GUN!!??”, whereas many friends of mind were emphasizing the “How will that poor devil ever get a fair trial???”.We can all continue to retreat into what I described as the “idiot’s refuge” of polarization,but it does no one any good. And as I also said before, let’s hope the jury is not feeling any pressure to go one way or another on their verdict—that is one of the many imponderables in this case. SO once again,
    kudos to you for what you said a couple of days ago, and kudos again for clarifying today.

    • Robert_Fl

      “Among many issues at play in the GZ/TM case is the all-important one of
      the Neighborhood Patrollers being able to carry a gun. Indeed my very
      reaction to the story was “WHAT WAS HE DOING CARRYING A GUN!!??”,

      What was he doing carrying a gun?…He was exercising his right as a citizen of Florida (where he had a concealed carry permit) and the United States. Volunteering to protect your community does not waive your rights as a citizen. I am sorry that people like you have been sucked in by the PC drivel of the left. The reason Mr. Zimmerman is alive today is because he was carrying a weapon. If he weren’t, the police would still be searching for an unidentified suspect in his murder. I feel sorry for people like you who are unable to think logically, at the same time I am disgusted by you. While you go about your life feeling morally superior to everyone who does not agree with you, and counting on others to protect you, I hope you do not run into a Trayvon Martin…if you do, tough luck…maybe you can reason with him as he splatters your brains on the pavement.

    • Deerknocker


      Well, perhaps Zimmerman was concerned that someone he reported to the police might jump out of the bushes and give him a MMA style ground and pound, and Zimmerman might need a gun to save his life.

  • DisqusIsTerrible

    The right’s tolerance and civility regarding diverse opinions is what drew me to conservativism in the first place…well, that and the dearth of intellectual honesty pervading the left. For what it’s worth, those articles at FP caused me to pause and remember that Martin was a beloved son and friend whose death was indeed a tragedy and who was as much a victim of the left’s vicious racial politics as Zimmerman.

    • Seek

      Trayvon Martin was “beloved” only by fellow thugs. I have no sympahty for him. He chose to sucker punch Zimmerman (typical black behavior) and then beat his head on the pavement. He wasn’t counting on Zimmerman being armed and ready, as a desperate measure, to shoot.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      Conservatives should always support due process and individualism. Don’t make villains out of anyone unless you can support your case strongly against the individual.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Do you think Martin was a villain?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          I think a case can be made at this point, yes. My point is that we’ll all be better off by citing evidence rather than using leftist-style smears.

          The unquestioned villains in this case are the members of the media and our political leaders. Virtually all of our anger should be directed at them. Until we rectify that, we won’t be able to reach the people who can rectify these criminals who are coddled as “misunderstood.”

          What makes me sick is that people defend Martin by saying he was only a non-violent thief. No big deal. So we all know he was a thief, and he was clearly beating Zimmerman when he was shot. Case closed.

          Then why is there a trial? Because the unquestioned villains in this case are the members of the media and our political leaders. Virtually all of our anger should be directed at them.

  • JDS

    Trayvon Martin was a racist who attacked George Zimmerman because he deemed him a “creepy a** cracker”. He was found with stolen jewellery and had to change schools after being kicked out of another one. That isn’t an example of a decent teenager. That’s the example of a thug.

    • Bamaguje

      There you go again, totally oblivious of the fine points clearly articulated by Horowitz and Alhert.
      Neither of these esteemed conservatives justify Trayvon attacking Zimmerman.

      • bluffcreek1967

        I know what you’re trying to say. But that doesn’t erase the fact that TM was a thug and there was nothing “well-meaning” (as one writer on FPM stated) about him. He was up to no good that fateful night, and his brazen thug attitude couldn’t free him from the consequences of his own actions.

        • http://oldschooltwentysix.blogspot.com/ oldschooltwentysix

          Could you state any fact that establishes his “no good” and where it was in any way illegal?

          • Terrence Jeffrey Johnson

            Casing the residences for burglaries, perhaps? Getting the ingredients for Sizzurp? Smoking weed? Getting caught with a bookbag full of stolen women’s jewelry?
            Sounds pretty up to no good and illegal to me.

          • http://oldschooltwentysix.blogspot.com/ oldschooltwentysix

            Knowing he was up to no good is a prospective matter, not a conclusion after the fact. Or are you saying that GZ knew all this when he laid eyes on Martin?

          • ziggy zoggy

            Too bad it turned up that Widdle Twayvon actually was up to no good. Too bad for the racist @$$holes who still try to claim he deserved to live.

          • http://oldschooltwentysix.blogspot.com/ oldschooltwentysix

            What an obnoxious comment.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Yep. Ask me if I care. Martin tried to kill Zimmerman just for looking at him.

          • http://oldschooltwentysix.blogspot.com/ oldschooltwentysix

            Of course you do not care. So why would I even think to ask?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Punching people in the head is usually not legal. Neither is sitting on them without a very good reason. The evidence falls short that he had a good reason for any of his aggression.

          • http://oldschooltwentysix.blogspot.com/ oldschooltwentysix

            This all happened after the confrontation, if at all. The comment said he was up to no good, but this is just projection. Objective facts matter.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I hear you, but your analysis has less support after sifting through the evidence presented in the trial.

          • http://oldschooltwentysix.blogspot.com/ oldschooltwentysix

            It’s clear that Martin was not an angel as portrayed by others. I spend lots of time arguing with them outside the bubble here. They are no less ready to rush to judgment. No matter the verdict we will NEVER know for sure. So I choose not to take a side, but I do find the injection of race here to be abhorrent, much like Sowell’s essay today says.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “…there was nothing “well-meaning” (as one writer on FPM stated) about him”

          That was one gratuitous comment, I agree with you.

      • hpe reader

        When you have to “explain” what you mean, then it might just be that you missed the mark, eh?

    • objectivefactsmatter

      As the case unfolds, some of these points become valid if presented in a rational context.

  • Crazycatkid

    I’m sorry but some of the worst anti-Semitism on the Internet involves the horrid malicious miss characterization of Ms. Schlussel as mentally disordered…..And by those who call themselves conservatives. I believe you can differ without resorting to the misuse of medical inferences. Doing this, you place yourself squarely with those conservatives who have used anti-Jewish slurs in disagreements. You owe her and everyone else an apology for this lapse in judgement.

    • keyesforpres

      I’ve seen the nasty, childish names Schlussel has called fellow conservatives. She attacked Pamela Geller when Pamela and Robert Spencer put on the Rally for Rifqa. Rather than go there and speak ( I thought Schlussel would come to the rally and speak about islam) she went off on a nasty rampage on Pamela.
      Schlussel calls the wonderful Robert Spencer “Slobbert” (which is ironic since Robert has lost weight and Schlussel is packing on the pounds) and the wonderful Pamela Geller “Scamela”.
      Schlussel has done some great work regarding islam, but she is a nasty name caller and has lost much of her crediblity with her childish rants against fellow conservatives.

      • Crazycatkid

        You void your own point. Why resort to the name calling at all? As a mental health professional, I abhor the use of the accusation of mental illness as an insult. This was a campaign against DS and it was characterized by accusations of mental illness and was accompanied by anti-Semitic slurs. DH seems to be all too familiar with that campaign. Some naive people bought into the diagnoses (made by those not trained to do so) and so swallowed the anti-Semitism along with it (implied: those Jooz are all crazy).
        So, while I try not to indulge in calling anyone nasty names and think we all should avoid doing so, I will not stand by and accept the casual inference that when one disagrees, it is an acceptable strategy to call their “opponent” mentally ill. Sorry, DH cannot diagnose DS. And neither can I without an appropriate exam diagnose her or anyone else. DH should be ashamed of himself.

        • keyesforpres

          You know, DS gets childish and nasty and if some folks think she comes across as having mental issues…so be it.
          She was name calling yesterday. She comes across as a jealous school girl. She flat out comes across as hating women. She comes across as very jealous and it’s ashame she acts the way she does. She whines about folks being anti semitic towards her if they call her out.
          I voided nothing.
          Any comment on Schlussel’s ridiculous name calling?

  • BarDav

    The issue was that the clear evidence is that, at a minimum, Martin as a wannabe thug, and very far from the kind of young man I would want my son to be. You ignored that evidence and that was off-putting. As was the fact that you disregarded the defense position – as likely true as Martin’s position – that Martin, an avowed wannabe thug (at a minimum) so much disliked the “cracka” being interested in his activities, that he confronted and attacked him, pounding his face and head MMA style. Otherwise you could not have written what you did

  • Jsjk

    I am sorry you had to endure such personal attacks — hmmm, a mob mentality seems to be in vogue these days. I wish tempers would simmer down, then maybe people could assess the quality of the arguments put forth (as opposed to just launching into ad hominem attacks).

    • Bamaguje

      Bad manners copied from the left.
      Conservatives must maintain the moral high ground and not degenerate into the thuggish mentality of leftists.

      • bluffcreek1967

        “Thuggish mentality”? Please! Granted when some started to question DH as a conservative, they were clearly off base. But no one sank to a ‘thuggish’ mentality. They expressed their strong opinions, often with direct facts and a genuine knowledge of the case, but this would not even come close to a “thuggish” mentality.

  • tagalog

    For myself, I have no problem with you taking a position that isn’t in the mainstream of conservative thought, or, for that matter, within the mainstream of anyone’s kind of thought. If I don’t agree, and I’m moved to register my disagreement, I intend to be civil about it.
    I agree that some of the responses to the commentaries were a bit over the top, all right.

  • Ajax Dahgue

    David, I’m truly sorry there are so many who can’t disagree without trashing you. I admit that I finished your Trayvon article and said ‘well here’s a place where we disagree’. That in no way diminishes my utmost respect for your body of work and your clarity of thought (I too am a recovering liberal).
    That said, I think what hit me most was your blanket condemnation of watch volunteers being armed. I think maybe for many, it smacks of disarming everyday folks, since that’s who volunteer for this kind of work. In my opinion, any law-abiding citizen who is instructed on relavant law and shows an ability to properly and effectively operate a handgun should be allowed to carry it whether he is a neighborhood watch volunteer or not. Maybe even more so, because watching the neighborhood for possible criminals, will inevetibaly increase the chance of confronting such and maybe needing a weapon to stay alive.

    Thanks for the work you do, and know that the logical of mind continue to respect you and appreciate the continued education.

    – a -

    • Outtahereasap

      I completely agree and will add this: I have no intention of ceasing to be vigilant in my community (neighbor hood watch principals), no intention of ceasing to carry a firearm for my protection, no intention of staying in my vehicle if I want to have a better vantage point to observe or make a report.

  • Danny

    That’s right, David. Rile up the psychotic white racists on your end of the spectrum with a constant drumbeat of FPM articles characterizing every single incident of black-on-white crime as a global war on white people (see Greenfield, Flaherty, etc), then say you’re shocked….shocked! when you back off for a second, admit that the world is actually a bit more complex than “white person good, non-whites bad”, and get promptly lambasted by your dedicated readers for straying from the wing-nut reservation.

    No surprise here.

    • bluffcreek1967

      Oh, cut the nonsense! If you can’t see by now that there is in fact a worldwide bias against whites, including animosity against the West itself, then I’m sure there is very little that will change your mind.

      FPM brings out what is greatly ignored by the MSM when it comes to black-on-white crime. There is clearly a double-standard here, as several of the articles on FPM have pointed out. It’s not hard to see, but when one’s mind has been clouded by Leftist ideology, it’s difficult to see the world as it really is. Such is the nature of liberalism.

    • Seek

      Black-on-white crime occurs at dozens of times the rate of vice versa. And the ratio would be far higher if whites didn’t take extensive precautions to avoid blacks, especially in the latter’s neighborhoods. If such avoidance constitutes “racism,” then let’s have more ot it.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      The point is that we don’t want to act like lunatics and exaggerate everything to the point of losing any chance to make a point. As you have done.

      “admit that the world is actually a bit more complex than “white person good, non-whites bad””

      Are you quoting anyone but yourself?

    • http://oldschooltwentysix.blogspot.com/ oldschooltwentysix

      I spend enough time at the progressive sites to say that the invective against anything having to do with the right is never in short supply. And woe to anyone that points out the unrealistic and Orwellian approach of the critical theory adopted.

      I would say it is worse by a small margin. Still, there’s plenty of invective coming from conservatives, as if all liberals are socialists and worse.

      Let’s not pretend that the partisans cannot really hear anything but themselves, and see their adversaries as having ill motives.

    • Mo86

      Oh, spare me. DH has done no such thing, either here or anywhere else.

      I take issue with some of his points, but this is just ridiculous.

  • Greg Symko

    Hi Mr. Horowitz. Your article made me think and made me realize that I was one of those conservatives that chose to paint Trayvon as a thug. I appreciate your honesty and standing up for what is correct and not expedient.

    Kind Regards,

    • Mo86

      But Martin WAS a thug! He was a thug who was beating Zimmerman! He was not a “well meaning” person, as the other writer wrote.

      My goodness. .As if this case wasn’t messed up enough, now we’ve got conservatives saying such things.

  • bluffcreek1967

    The problem wasn’t that DH tried to bring some balance and understanding to the issue which, admittedly, has managed to raise more heat then light. Rather, it was that he made statements in his article (including the other one written by another author) that showed a gross misunderstanding of the actual facts. There were also some rather naive statements made by DH (e.g., ‘Stand Your Ground’ should only apply to your private residence?!) that made perhaps a well-intentioned article into something almost laughable.

    Many of us who have followed closely the facts of this case were just downright appalled that DH was arguing the way he was. He has a right to, of course, and there’s room among conservatives for divergent opinions. Even still, many of us were somewhat taken back by it.

    I know that DH is a conservative, and quite a decent one at that. All of us throughout the years have admired his courage and insight. But on the Trayvon Martin incident, we will just have to politely disagree and leave it at that.

    Christians have a saying, “In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.”

    • Robert_Fl

      Apparently David is very thin skinned, and is not about to “leave it at that”, as evidenced by this article.

      • hyedenny

        Wrong. This article is evidence that he has moral courage, humility, and huge respect for his readers.

    • Jerry G

      The problem with this case was that both sides became too involved in the personalities,race,motivation, etc. of the two participants, rather than the facts. It was evident from the court proceedings that local law enforcement was correct in not bringing charges against Zimmerman and the state succumbed to race baiters such as Sharpton and Jackson in bringing the case to trial. Now Florida is preparing for Black riots should the jury decide correctly that Zimmerman is innocent.

    • ziggy zoggy

      “Christians have a saying, ‘In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.'”
      That is a great quote. I feel stupid because I never heard it before.

  • Robert_Fl

    “I thought it was important that conservatives not develop a mob
    mentality of their own, and second that conservatives remember that
    there are more than 30 million black Americans the majority of whom are
    not criminals”

    How very considerate of you to attempt to enlighten a bunch of troglodyte conservatives. Thank you, David. Just because a large number of individuals have the ability to think critically and can recognize a racial show trial when they see it, does not make them a mob. Are they a mob because they do not agree with you, David? Certainly the vast majority of blacks are not criminals. Precisely who do you think you are to be the one lecturing on this point to conservatives? By the way, apparently about 95% of blacks vote based on race. If white voters behaved in a similar fashion, we would not have the current occupant in our White House, and we would also be called racists. You are certainly free to spew your sanctimonious opinions on your own site, but you should not be taken aback when you receive a number of well deserved negative reactions. Are all the people who disagreed with your article wrong, or racist? Are you the sole voice of sanity in the conservative world? And this: “his portrayal in conservative quarters as a vicious thug are wrong and
    unjust. In fact he appears to have been a decent teenager with an
    ambition to go to college and become a pilot”…really? “It APPEARS … “? “In conservative quarters”? Really? Where did you dig up this FACT? Apparently you are very selective in your choosing of facts. If you would like a truly objective look at this episode, I point you to Mr. Jack Cashill’s works on the subject, which I am sure you have read and, for some reason, chosen to ignore. I will close with the same sentence as in my comment on your original article: Apparently you have not strayed far from your leftist roots.

    • Judahlevi

      I have to agree that calling conservatives a “mob” and explaining to us that most darker-skinned Americans are not criminals simply because of their skin color is condescending. I also agree that David has taken some courageous positions against racial politics and demagogues, but defending his position with this tone is not correct. A better approach would have been to admit that we may agree to disagree about whether or not Martin was a good person or bad person.

      “but also that Trayvon Martin was a young black thug who deserved to die”

      This comment was totally unnecessary. I did not read one conservative who thought Martin “deserved” to be shot because of his prior bad behavior. Many believed Zimmerman was justified in his shooting to protect his own life. Those are two very different ways of phrasing the same argument – and yours took the low road. It is insulting to people who sincerely believed Zimmerman was in fear of his life.

      David, condescension from the left, or the right, comes across as merely arrogance. Yes, you are a smart person. No, you don’t have the right to lecture your readers. Humility is a virtue – try it.

      • Robert_Fl

        Not very clear…are your remarks directed at my comment or at David?

        • Judahlevi

          Robert, for the most part, I was agreeing with you.

          You are also right about David’s “leftist roots” which, in my opinion, cause him to see the world collectively by skin color instead of treating each person as the unique individual they are. He needs to adopt Individualism as his personal worldview about human relations and move beyond those collectivist roots.

          • Robert_Fl

            Thank you for taking the time to clarify.

    • Outtahereasap

      I don’t care for pandering to any race or gender. To attempt to ‘ad balance’ where it isn’t deserved comes across as sanctimonious and condescending. Martin doesn’t deserve a bunch of “excuses” just because he is dead. He made poor choices ….period. He finally made a poor choice that cost him his life. He was 6’2″ 175 athletic pounds…not a child. As a minor, he is expected to be accountable and respectful to adults. All adults. If he is fearful he can leave or call 911. So, I agree with your basis for being irritated with parts of the article.

  • 8ball

    I am a big fan and strong supporter David but you ignored the central points of the case: Firstly, Martin referred to Z as a cracker before he attacked him. Secondly, Martin was on top of Z when he was shot. This was as obvious a case of self defense as there is. It should never have been prosecuted. It was prosecuted only because the race hustlers demanded it.

    I’m curious as to whether you had Col West’s permission to publish his unfortunate statement, which was made before most of the facts were known.

    Finally Ahlert’s description of Martin as well intentioned was ridiculous. Only a thug would attack someone merely because he was being watched.

  • Giles Blyzzard

    The comment that really got my goat was that GZ’s superficial injuries didn’t justify his actions. But if someone is bashing your head into the concrete what are you supposed to do? Wait until you have serious injuries before you stop him? Also, the statement that Trayvon is not a thug. Who else but a thug would slam someone’s head into the concrete? Unless the whole episode went down totally different from what we are hearing, I don’t see any justification for Martin’s actions. They are the actions of a thug. And I am not a bigot or a racist. I won’t say he deserved to die, but he needed to be stopped.

    That being said, I think Zimmerman used very poor judgement. I believe in concealed carry, but if you are going to carry, I believe you have a moral obligation to do everything in your power to avoid a confrontation. The Stand Your Ground law has some flaws IMHO.

    As for not wanting conservatives to fall into the mob mentality trap, I agree with you. And the personal attacks against you were ridiculous and sometimes quite vicious. We should always be able to iron out our differences with rational debate. Have a great day, David, and thanks for all you do.

    • WhiteHunter

      I don’t see how Stand Your Ground even comes into the picture in this case, and the defense hasn’t claimed that it does; once Zimmerman had been slammed to the ground with a sucker punch that broke his nose and was pinned there by Martin, who then proceeded to pound his skull in a frenzy of rage, flight was a physical impossibility for Zimmerman.

      It seems as though most who misrepresent and object to Stand Your Ground want to replace it with Lie on the Ground.

      If there was “malice” or “hate” (and there certainly was) it was entirely Martin’s: First, in responding to a reasonable, verbal question with a punch to the face; and then–when only a paranoid with a chip on his shoulder and a predisposition to physical violence could still believe that the imaginary “threat” had not been neutralized–by continuing the violent attack on a prostrate, stunned, and obviously helpless man.

      No doubt Martin was the product of an all-too-typical background and upbringing, one that feeds seething resentment and racial hate, and celebrates “gangsta” behavior.

      But that wasn’t Zimmerman’s fault, and Zimmerman wasn’t “punishing” Martin for what he was. He was defending himself from Martin’s violent, frenzied attack, with what was, at that point, the only effective means available to him.

      Martin left him no other options…except to accept the near certainty of death or maiming with meek passivity. And that’s no option at all.

      • The March Hare

        Well said.

        • ziggy zoggy

          Exactly. Please read these comments, Horowitz.

  • robertharkins

    In the quarter of a century or more that Mr.Horowitz has written to conservative themes he has earned the right to respect. He is a man of courage and character. His pen, in the service of a dying constitution and country has been and is now truly mightier than the sword. America needs men with guts; we have a surfeit of arm-chair conservatives, moderates, and intellectually psychotic leftists who have embraced, in contempt of reason and truth, the language of Orwellian Double Speak.

    Mr. Horowitz, on the other hand, tells it like it is. If as he now admits his column could have more accurately written, he should not be vilified for his mistakes. It is a facile libel to describe him as thin-skinned;indeed those who thus accuse him and others are themselves notoriously thin-skinned.

    But there is another more controlling point. There are among us men of honor, men who hold more dear than life, character, courage and conscience– and therefore reputation. In objecting to invective, Mr. Horowitz is not expressing a thin skinned nature. He is defending his honor.

    We need more men willing to defend their honor against attack. We have already enough men, who when they should once more step into the breach instead to bow their heads.

  • semus

    This gun the some feel he shouldn’t have more than likely saved him getting a severe beating and possibly his life.

    • autdrew

      especially since none of his neighbors could summon the courage to go outside & help get TM off of him

  • gfmucci

    David: Nothing at all about racism was contained in my comments about your ignorant comments about the Zimmerman/Martin scenario. What I and other defenders of our right to defend ourselves are concerned about is the liberal attitude that we should be denied the right to defend ourselves, whether we watch our neighborhood, our kids, or our homes. Those are foolish comments that stink of progressive BS. How many times should we allow our heads to be pounded into the concrete before we say “enough?” How many nose breaking and forehead smashing blows to our head should we tolerate before we defend ourselves the best we can, whether it be by knife, gun, or fist?

    You and Bob Beckel scare me. Both of you advocate for playing possum and submitting ourselves to our own murder when someone is attacking us. If Zimmerman had no gun he would have been the dead man, not Martin.

    If I am strolling around my neighborhood and happen to be “watching” I’ll be damned if I want to be denied the ability to protect my 67 year old ass with a gun if necessary. I don’t want a liberal wannabe telling me I can’t, or promoting laws to deny me that right.

    And why don’t you acknowledge the drug dealing, drug using, fighting, stealing, school suspension-worthy actions of little Trayvon? I don’t care if he was white as snow Giuseppe Verdi. He was the one on drugs racially profiling Zimmerman and deciding to act out his anger by initiating the fight.

    Oy oy oy.

  • solos42

    Some people over think

  • gatekeeper96740

    Sorry Dave, you are wrong on this.His race is not a factor matter. I would have done the same as Zimmerman, if someone is on top of me bashing my head on the pavement .It is what any reasonable person would have done.
    Seriously Dave.

    Do I have to calculate the amount of pressure of each thud by arm strength to see if I should withstand a few more bonks or try to multiply that by exactly how many times does my skull actually has to hit the pavement before the bone tensile strength gives way. Is that what you are asking a reasonable person to do?

    • Outtahereasap

      Zimmerman did use restraint. Took a pounding first, then fired ONE SHOT to stop any further pounding. Anyone with a CC permit understands this aspect. I completely agree with your comment.

  • hippiepooter

    If this furore has shown anything, if the attitude of so many commenters is anything to go by, it is that far too many conservatives have a boorish mindset that makes the conservative message very unappealing to far too many people.
    I see one person has referred to David Horowitz as ‘quite a decent conservative’. Mr Horowitz has taken the conservative message ‘out there’ where few have dared to tread and has not pulled punches wheras many do.

    There’s a great debate to be had on whether George Zimmerman should ever have been brought to trial and the reasons for it – to this observer at least it was to avoid civil rights charges being brought against him by the racist Holder Justice Department – but first the verdict and then the debate can best be conducted after.

    Meanwhile, while I didn’t agree with all that DH wrote and he accepts some of the flaws, it was a great counter-weight to the right wing herd mentality that had developed. A trial was being watched with people on the right as much as the left looking to be politically vindicated, rather then honouring the process of a trial in motion.

  • Deerknocker

    David, I would venture to say that most of your readers are well aware that not all blacks are thugs. We really did not need your special insight on that matter. What you may be missing is that the Martin – Zimmerman case is viewed by many conservatives as another white man sacrificed to seemingly eternal black racial rage. We have simply had enough. Tawana Brawley ruined the lives of several innocent white men with her lies. The black stripper who falsely accused the Duke Lacrosse team also ruined innocent white lives. And now Zimmerman. We are not only fed up with black lies; we are fed up with the panic of law enforcement authorities to charge some “Great White Defendant”. Zimmerman should not have been charged with murder in a case so weak that the prosecution witnesses made the case for the defense. I think that most conservatives are simply outraged at what is being done to Zimmerman. Perhaps that is why your let’s be fair to Martin article rubbed so many raw. I don’t care if Martin was an altar boy. At some point that night he was on top of Zimmerman giving him a MMA ground and pound. He paid for that with his life. No one I know would not have fired a round into Martin if he was in the same situation as Zimmerman.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    “For making this point, which was designed to stimulate some internal second thoughts among conservatives and that shouldn’t have ruffled so many feathers, I have been subjected to a rash of personal attacks. One of them by Debbie Schlussel is quite malicious, even lunatic, and replete with made up “facts” about what I have said and done. Even more puzzling is that all of the attacks seem to be oblivious of the fact that Frontpage generally and I personally have for more than a decade been on the forefront of those opposing the racial arsonists of the left and the civil rights racists whom I have described as a lynch mob with a cracker mentality.”

    People attacking those making nuanced statements are unable to understand that as conservatives we’re supposed to have higher standards. If we’re lying collectivists, we might as well join the leftists.

    That’s what I understood as the key points, even though I could take issue with some of the supporting statements.

  • cathy

    Daniel Horowitz – “In fact he appears to have been a decent teenager with an ambition to go to college and become a pilot. whatever minor trouble he may have gotten into is not too difficult to understand as a child of divorce and growing up in the poisoned racial atmosphere the left has created.”


    It does appear that the prosecuto, the judge as well as others are determined to conceal any facts relating to Trayvon Martin that does not portray him as a 17 year old child returning home following a purchase of skittles and ice tea when he was murdered by George Zimmerman. Why? Is it an attempt to appease the Black community?


    George Zimmerman evidence photo
    May 23, 2013

    New evidence in Zimmerman case: Trayvon texted about fighting, smoking marijuana
    May 23, 2013

    George Zimmerman trial — the facts or character on trial?
    Friday, May 24, 2013 at 9:36am

    Zimmerman judge excludes Trayvon Martin fighting, social media and marijuana use
    Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 9:58am

  • cathy


    Tuesday, May 29, 2012
    More Than a Bag of Skittles – Trayvon Martin and Purple Drank

    Purple Drank or Lean is a cocktail that is created by mixing Robitussin or other over-the-counter cough medicines with, you guessed it, Skittles and Arizona Watermelon Juice, the flavor of tea Trayvon Martin was carrying that night.

    Purple Drank also goes by other street names such as sizzurp, lean, syrup, sip sip, drank, barre, purple jelly and Texas tea. It has opiate like effects. Some of its side effects include confusion, agitation, and hallucinations among others.

    Read more:

    • ziggy zoggy

      Exactly. And Martin bragged about drinking it in his tweets. That is why he hadn’t consumed his drug ingredients before he died. he was taking them home to make his drug cocktail. He was a POS.

  • T.A.

    I don’t agree with many of the points you made in your original article. And most of the responses, I thought, were made in a civil way.

    Really, there were just a few comments that were over the edge, which is to be expected any time someone takes a controversial position.

  • Dharma Jnana
  • JONP

    as a young black male who has lived in BAD predominately black neighborhoods for the better (worst really) parts of his life i can say i DEFINITELY believe TRAYVON WAS A THUG WANNABE like most of these other young black a**h****s. you can’t say you like black people until you live around them or “us”.

    my own people have ruined my quality of life so badly that i learned to read them very quickly, and TRAYVONs face does not read innocent.

    i believe that what happened was, Zimmerman probably asked TRAYVON what he was doing in the neighborhood. TRAYVON looking at Zimmerman probably figured “he aint no cop, he can’t do shit to me” (black people are petty, they need to be able to identify you with a title or youre a nobody)..TRAYVON most likely mouthed off to Zimmerman and walked off…

    THIS is where Zimmerman f’d up! as he should’ve called the police left him alone and let him walk off instead of FOLLOWING HIM…. This is where he’s gonna have trouble in court! The fact that he pursued him instead of waiting for proper authorities….. now continuing on…..

    Zimmerman followed him just to keep an eye, and probably this is when he called the police…TRAYVON was probably agitated, mouthed off again, and probably confronts Zimmerman, they trade verbal jabs.. TRAYVON swings at Zimmerman, who in turn loses his balance, falls, TRAYVON hops on Zimmerman swinging full force now, TRAYVON leans back while over top of Zimmerman giving Zimmerman time to grab his gun and shoot.





  • fiona

    I think you are right David. I read some of Martins tweets and the photo of him with the gold teeth he just looked like a kid who was trying to be hard but failing. Maybe he was a gang banger but he isn’t here to defend himself so painting him as someone who deserved to be killed is unfair. that is not to take away from the fact that what transpired that night was not his fault or that Zimmerman did not intend to kill him. The whole race thing is sad we are being forced to take sides and we shouldn’t we should deal in the facts and not emotions. The fact that the race baiters tried to frame Zimmerman also gets us annoyed so we have a tendency to side with Zimmerman and demonize Martin thereby playing into their hands. At the end of the day it really doesn’t matter what martin was like he is not on trial it is Zimmerman who has to prove that he was defending himself which seems likely without painting Martin as a thug. Sometimes people can do stupid things and this stupid thing that Martin did cost him his life a very high price to pay. He was only 17 and most 17 year old’s are stupid.

    • Sheik Yerbouti

      A person bashing another person’s head into concrete isn’t doing it for his victim’s better health. It’s quite obvious Trayvon was trying to injure him severely or kill him. So yes, he did deserve exactly what he got.

  • hpe reader

    me thinks that you protest too much

  • rbla

    One can disagree without being disagreeable. Mike Savage has taken a similar position. He’s the closest thing to a race realist that a radio talk host can be so this serves as a defensive position when he inevitably comes under attack.
    Putting the Zimmerman case together with the new amnesty proposal leads to the following conclusion. We will legalize millions of new minority lawbreakers but if any of them gets into an altercation with a black he will immediately be reclassified as white and dropped to the lowest level of our modern ‘wergild’.
    One question – if our president had married a white woman would his son look like George Zimmerman?

  • CurmudgyOne

    Whether or not Martin was “up to no good” that night is not important. The facts are that Zimmerman had a right to follow him because he did not appear to belong and was suspiciously moving around. The fact that Martin didn’t simply keep proceeding to his destination, but turned back and confronted Zimmerman, shows that he desired a confrontation of some kind. If he had known Zimmerman was armed, h eprobably wouldn’t have done so. Zimmerman was then, eventually, being beaten on the sidewalk. He shot in self defense only after being beaten against the concrete. That’s the whole scenario. Self Defense, not guilty.

    Don’t worry about it David; we still love ya man.

  • greatj

    Frankly Trayvon Martins mother and friend Jeantel were told to lie about the voice they heard on the tape concerning the screams they heard.Martin’s Lawyer Crump told them to lie because that was the only evidence they would have. It is absolutely was George Zimmerman screaming for help.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Yeppers. Zimmerman was battered and Martin didn’t have a mark on him. Martin is proved to have been astraddle Zimmerman and pummeling him. Zimmerman was absolutely the one screaming for his life and Jeantel and Martin’s mother are both repulsive racists.

  • jstol3

    I purposely did not make any comments on either of the two articles mentioned. I knew what points they were trying to make. The right IS developing its own mentality about how to counter all of the false charges of racism. I wouldn’t call it a “mob mentality”. I would call it a “counter mentality”. We are just sick and tired of all of the false charges ginned up against us by the race baiters on the left. It seems that being Mr. Nice Guy has gotten us nowhere too often.

    My approach is a bit milder. Every time local TV has shown that innocent looking 13 year old Trayvon in that snow white hoodie I have called them and asked that they display a more recent picture. There is absolutely no excuse for the liberal bias in the media about the youthful picture, the Skittles or the Iced Tea. What the hell do these facts have to do with the case at all?

    • ziggy zoggy

      “What the hell do these facts have to do with the case at all?”

      Nothing, especially considering that Skittles and Watermelon (LOL) iced tea are two key ingredients in the street drug “lean” that Martin bragged about drinking.

  • Mitch Paeglow

    All of the attempts by ALL parties to portray Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman as (whatever) are misguided at best and treacherous at worst.

    What happened in the lives of TM and GZ make little, if any difference, up until the moment their physical conflict started.

    Someone was attacked and someone did the attacking.

    The fact that witnesses saw the skinny 17-yr old on top of and pounding the portly 29-yr old, persuades me to believe that TM surprised GZ…Which happens to coincide with GZ’s statement.

    At that point, Martin is the aggressor and the entire case goes to what GZ believed his potential fate was.

    The state should NEVER have brought 2nd degree murder charges as there was NO evidence that GZ had committed “The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree.”

    To get a conviction, the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that Zimmerman “envinced a depraved mind regardless of human life”.

    I believe that the state’s charge was racial/political pandering and perhaps attempted political career enhancement-grasping.

    They might have had a chance at manslaughter: “The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder, according to the provisions of this chapter, is manslaughter, a felony of the second degree.”

    Well, the state of Florida is about to reap what they have sown. Fertilized and watered by the “leap before you look” press and the race pimps, to which President Obama has lent his support and approval – on several occasions.

    • ziggy zoggy

      “President Obama has lent his support and approval.”
      More than you know. Eric Holder worked with the career race baiting scumbags Sharpton and Jackson to lynch Zimmerman and the only reason the special (needs) prosecutor in FL brought the case to trial is because the Obamaburo decreed it so. Obama Osama is neck deep in this $hit.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    Horowitz presents a reasonable position as did Ahlert (I supported him yesterday). But I don’t fault those who suspect Martin of ill will towards Zimmerman. It’s good that we can be critical of those in our own house. There’s room for disagreement and discussion.

  • http://www.federaleagent86.blogspot.com/ Federale

    I was a subscriber to Frontpage when it first came out as a publication in the, was it the 80s. No one is perfect. It is clear though that besides errors on the persecution of Zimmerman, Horowitz attempts the traditional logical error of moderation. One one hand, on the other. The worst example of this is claiming that Trayvon just had a few problems related to his father’s inability to remain with one woman.
    No, Trayvon had serious behavior issues. He was deeply in the drug culture, not just marijuana, but a addict of “lean,” a common drug of choice among young blacks, a mixture of codinene based cough syrup, Arizona Watermelon Cocktail, and Skittles. He also was involved in buglaries, buying and selling guns and street fighting. These were symptoms of a serious behavior problem that got him expelled from school and kicked out of his mother’s home. His father, of course, did nothing to help him, pawning him off on his current girlfriend. Trayvon was a seething mixture of hate, racism and violence that was already involved in crime. It was just a matter of time before he ran into the wrong person. This time it just happened to be an armed Hispanic. Which is very unusual in that most black victims of homicide have criminal records and are killed by other blacks with criminal records.
    No one is perfect, and Horowitz is wrong on this. Plain wrong. However I will keep reading and am a long time admirer of Frontpage. Otherwise usually great stuff, but on this issue you got it wrong, badly wrong. Especially, by the way, on the 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms as well as keep them.

    • ziggy zoggy

      You said it all.

  • The March Hare

    I think your mistake in the article was not your concern about mob mentality. It was talking about it as if it pertained to the majority of conservatives in general. That was the impression I came away with. I, myself, have seen a little of that, but it has been very little. Most conservative comments I have seen after articles have been much more sensible. While I didn’t agree with you regarding this, I was appalled at some of the vicious attacks on you. I think this is a minor disagreement and still hold you in high regard and am still a loyal follower of your work. Some people seem to not know how to have a civil disagreement.

  • Jeffrey P. Rush

    Mr. Horowitz, thanks for this. I don’t think it was necessary but it demonstrates the honor and integrity that you have. As for Mr. Martin being a generally good kid with a good future, not sure the evidence you saw that got you there however the evidence I’ve seen would suggest just the opposite.

    Was he deserving of being killed? Of course not. No one is. Did he put himself in a position to be killed? Absolutely! He could have – should have – gone on home. He didn’t. What followed was tragic, but legal.

    Thanks again for the honor and integrity you’ve demonstrated here and for which you should be admired.

  • TienBing

    I preface my opinion of Mr. Horowitz’s response to the responses by acknowledging not only my appreciation of Mr. Horowitz’s immense contribution to the fight against collectivism and tyranny, but my gratitude and admiration. I am far from oblivious to Mr. Horowitz’s good works. Even so I found his, and Mr. Ahlert’s articles counterproductive, arrogant, and insulting.

    It is counter productive – if your intent is truly to squelch the perceived emergence of a lynch mob mentality, to say the same things that the people who have enraged the mob are saying.

    It is arrogant to make an assertion in blatant disregard for the facts and a common definition of a term or concept (decent), as if it is an indisputable fact – and expect everyone to buy it. If associates, police records, school records, and known behavior are any indication of character Trayvon Martin was far from a decent teenager. Decent teenagers don’t keep burglary tools in their lockers. (Don’t ask me where they keep them -I don’t know). That doesn’t mean that he couldn’t have become one, but at the time he died he was far from a “decent” teenager.

    The implication of Mr. Horowitz’s column was that anyone who has decided that Trayvon Martin was acting – if not in fact being a thug, is racist and or a bigot. It may have been very nuanced for some, but the implication was there. That is the same tactic to squelch debate that the left uses. That is insulting.

    I have not read or heard anyone say that Trayvon Martin deserved to die because he was a young black thug. I have read and heard the opinion that Trayvon Martin picked his fate when he viciously attacked someone. Acting like or actually being a thug can have negative consequences not only for the victims, but also the thug.

    No one “armed” Mr. Zimmerman. Most states allow citizens, per the US Constitution, to carry weapons to defend themselves. Joining neighborhood watch does not suspend your citizenship, or your rights under the second amendment. Police officers, training and all, have killed many more “innocent” citizens than neighborhood watch captains. Thugs have killed by several orders of magnitude even more – with or without guns.

    At least one of the self congratulatory sophisticates posting here, states to the effect that those who don’t agree with the opinions of Mr. Horowitz and Mr. Ahlert are too stupid to understand nuance. I disagree – I understand nuance; I detest equivocation.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Yeppers. The trained police officers are the second biggest killers in the country, after the crooks.

  • JoJoJams

    Thanks for the honesty. Sincerely.

  • Roy_Cam

    You are great, David. I agree with your assessment above on your error and the validity of the point you were trying to make in regards to Trayvon as a thug.

  • dubrovnov

    I peruse the conservative blog world daily, to the point of addiction. I do not recall coming across a conservative portrayal of Martin as a “vicious thug”, except perhaps in some of the comments by readers. Allusions to Martin’s troubled history
    were quite appropriate, in my opinion, as a necessary antidote to the media portrayal of Martin as an innocent angelic child. I think that your harsh critique was probably a transient moment of sensitivity about the image of conservatism in the eyes of leftists. That you have realized your mistake I think is obvious.

    David, if there were an MVP award for conservatism, you would be at the top of my list.

  • Ellman48

    This case is bringing into relief the polarization which has occurred between conservatives and progressives, blacks and whites, Republicans and Democrats; a polarization exacerbated severely by Barack Obama, Eric Holder and their underlings in the government. This case epitomizes the double standard which is applied to blacks and whites in the administration of justice and in the distribution of society’s scarce resources. Anger and frustration are evident from both sides of the racial divide, and cases like this add hostile energy to the already escalating hostilities. David got caught in the middle of the racial antagonism and declining tolerance on both sides. I don’t think he even needed to explain or justify his position on this matter. Doing so amounts to swatting the gnat in a room where a lion sits ready to pounce.

  • Dave White

    David, I don’t have a
    problem with any of what you said today except this, “I am not a liberal gun
    controller (as I have been accused of being). I just think it’s a bad idea to
    arm Neighborhood Watch guards who are not trained as policemen”. David, I think that it is the right of anyone
    who is law-abiding and mentally sound to carry a firearm anytime and practically
    any where. If Zimmermam was actually
    doing some sort of active neighborhood watch duty he had the right to be armed
    just as much as if he were on the way to the grocery store, which I think might
    be where he was going. You are not a liberal
    gun controller, but you are not very strong on the second amendment. Generally I always agree with your ideas.


  • James Riley

    Not good enough. David, you used the crisis, RAHM EMANUEL style, to argue for restrictions on the 2nd Amendment. The former academic, former lefty, former Marixst, former Black Panther stuff really does have to be, at some point, FORMER, David. You have bad judgment. You are not fit to host a “freedom center” if you don’t really believe in the Constitution.

    • ziggy zoggy

      That’s a bit harsh, dude.

      • James Riley

        Not really. As nutty as it might be, David is free to question the credibility of George Zimmerman. He is not free to run a “freedom center” and then advocate the further restriction of 2nd amendment rights. Some parts of his radical, statist past have to be shed if he wants to be a credible leader of conservatives.

        • ziggy zoggy

          Hm. He wrote that neighborhood watch personnel should be trained like cops. I don’t think he opposes our right to bear arms.

          • James Riley

            Actually, no. He wrote: “Neighborhood Watch guards should not be permitted to conceal and carry.”

            Gives you a real warm glow about the Horowitz “Freedom” center, doesn’t it?

          • ziggy zoggy

            Hm. Nobody is perfect. You are right and he is wrong.

  • ziggy zoggy

    Horowitz; you’re a big man to address your mistakes. Good on yer. However; the commentators here absolutely did discuss the fact that the Martin/Zimmerman hate fest has made both of them into symbols as well as human beings. And Trayvon martin was ABSOLUTELY a thug. His past history proved this but the ultimate proof is what he did to Zimmerman. He attacked Zimmerman just because he was looking at him. Because Zimmerman dared to look at Martin, the punk thug beat him down and after he had him helpless on his back and screaming for his life…..he continued to beat him. martin DID deserve to die. That is a subjective judgment on my own part of course, but he gave up his right to live when he beat a helpless man. F— him.
    You still believe you are right about this case. That’s good. A man should never give up his principles just to appease people. However, I believe that if you think about this a bit more and read all the comments and links in the articles here, that you will change your mind. I don’t like to see dead teenagers but some people are just plain bad. no doubt about it.
    Sincerely, Jeff Bargholz.

  • autdrew

    Seriously, I thank you for that as well. I grew up in Detroit & have dealt with many, many people with this mentality. Even when they KNOW their kid is fighting, doing drugs, running with a gang or whatever, the parents will always claim the absolute pure innocence of the person & scream racism. I developed a very high BS meter from how I came up. This case reeked of it from the beginning.

    The only quibble I have, is in saying GZ has to explain why he followed TM. No, he doesnt. Following is not illegal. His girlfriend said that when TM asked why you followin me? GZ backed down, then the fight started. You know & I know that most white people, (even white hispanic) alone in the dark & confronted by “angry black man” will back down and not engage in a physical fight. That is why they are considered such easy targets. Thats why TM hit him, because he thought he could get away with it. It was (in his mind) supposed to be just another easy beat down of a cracka. Something to give him more braggin rights. It never occurred to him that the prey just might fight back one time & he would lose.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Yeppers. Whenever a Trayvon commits an atrocity His mommy screams: “My baby! My baby!” Just like the mothers of the gorillas who beat Reginald Denny into permanent brain damage.

  • Terrence Jeffrey Johnson

    Horowitz is NOT a conservative, but a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
    Once a commie pinko…ALWAYS a commie pinko.
    Don’t give this gun-grabbing fifth columnist big-government liberal or his crappy opinions the time of day.

    • Noovuss

      I like the way you think, I’ll be keeping an eye on you.
      Prof. Turgeson..

  • ziggy zoggy

    Oy, oy oy!

  • BSDN

    In fact he appears to have been a decent teenager with an ambition to go
    to college and become a pilot. whatever minor trouble he may have
    gotten into is not too difficult to understand as a child of divorce and
    growing up in the poisoned racial atmosphere the left has created.

    I understand humor, irony and satire, but when the kid’s self title on twitter is No_Limit_Nigga who’s foolin who? DH’s disingenuous liberal white guilt slip is showing.

    I don’t know, but pudge Zimmerman probably would have got shot by Martin if he hadn’t shot Martin first after Martin found he was carrying. Either that or sustained some serious head injuries. Martin probably could have beat him with an inch of his life.

  • Outtahereasap

    Your theory doesn’t quite match up with evidence or witness calls to police. Phone Witness claimed that voice (Zimmerman) was “far away in the distance” when he responded to Martins question. That indicates Zimmerman was looking but keeping his distance.

  • Tom Kaye

    As I am sure you know, David, the person who vilifies you today probably didn’t even know of you yesterday. Although I disagreed with you regarding neighborhood watch, I nevertheless gave you every benefit of any doubt vis-a-vis gun control, racism and rushes to judgment.

    And in light of the Dunn case (Dunn who?) I can see there might be a need to clarify just where and when you may use deadly force to Stand Your Ground. Can the legislatures agree on what level of threat constitutes “reasonable”? (By the way, how about doing a report on why the media/Left is ignoring a white-on-black killing which may well have been racially motivated – the Michael Dunn case?)

    Regarding rushes to judgment, I remember the morning I first heard about the Marin/Zimmerman case. The first bit of information we had was totally against Zimmerman and everyone I knew in the office (most white, one black), Zimmerman was a crazed vigilante and needed to be put down as soon as possible and oh, that poor black child!

    Then the facts started to come out. And people were fired for refusing to violate their conscience and their oath office, and politics were played and political correctness took hold and the decree came down: the brown white man must be sacrificed for the good of race relations.

    I exaggerate.

    Except I don’t. That is what happened.

    What is America coming to?

    Keep up the good fight, David. You are appreciated. In spite of the false things said about you in your wikipedia entry! You might want to check that.

    • Kyle Davis

      I think initially , when you shoot and kill someone, there will always be an unfavorable perception of you period. When dealing with a person of color race is always a element . You see the Media and our legal system doesn’t really try to establish truth. The prosecution wants a conviction and the defense wants a acquittal and the intention are to discredit any witnesses . May I ask you ,why don’t you think martin was a good kid. I ask because I’ve noticed you’ve said nothing about Georgie’s character and his back ground..Oh but wait the the public didn’t know Zimmerman had run in with the laws himself , domestic violence and assault by a police officer . Not to mention Daddy being a retired judge , his mom a clerk for the count and a uncle that is a active deputy. In my opinion Martin sounds like a typical teenager in America. People jump to the conclusion that he Martin had 2 ingredients that are used to me a cocktail called Lean. So skittles and a Arizona can automatically established that someone is using Lean? Well the ingredient that makes lean work is cough syrup . Where was that @ hoe come it wasn’t on Martin and why where there no traces of that in his autopsy .Oh but wait Martin was going to walk home where his dad , dads girlfriend and son where at ….and use it there instead right ..Thats like saying I’m not going to smoke weed while I’m out side by myself ..I’ll wait until I go home where my family is to smoke ….This is a typical American procedure.. Start creating something out of nothing to justify a action..

  • RCraigen

    Hi David. I shrugged off your piece as having been a bad day for you, but returned to it, and now to your explanation, after the whole blowup over Diana West has interested me in how your mind works.

    You say, “I just think it’s a bad idea to arm Neighborhood Watch guards who are not trained as policemen.” But I’m not sure who of any repute is arguing that we should do so, which makes me wonder why you use this to characterize your position. On the other hand, your prescription for rewriting Stand Your Ground reads like an argument for DISarming them, which is quite a different matter. I hope this is not the intent of your suggestion there; NW guards ought to have precisely the same rights to bear arms as other citizens, in my view, and if in the line of their duties they feel a slightly higher tendency to take such precautions for their own safety, I don’t think our instinctive reaction ought to be to discourage this. They are not trained officers but they are citizens, and among that class licensed concealed-carriers and those who volunteer for organizations like NW have a general tendency to be more responsible actors and better trained in the appropriate use of such weapons than the general public. We ought not to use shades of language that suggest they are anything like footloose vigilantes.

    I have long felt you have the pulse of the issues you write about, but this one left me scratching my head. In particular, why would you bring up the Stand Your Ground issue as if it were somehow central to understanding this case? You, of all people, should understand that SYG was no more than a red herring in this story. It was not part of the court case, it did not enter into the charges against Zimmerman, nor into the defence case. It was not part of the determination of the police on the night of the shooting. Self defence was and is the critical issue, not SYG. I don’t believe it was wise to dignify the diversionary leftist tactic of introducing SYG into an issue in which it has no part. “Shifting the debate” in this way should not be in the Conservative toolbox. Don’t go chasing red herrings. Or to use a broader metaphor, while there’s one fox up a tree don’t call the dogs off to chase another one.

  • AKFreedomLover

    I don’t understand the racial fallout over this case at all. Zimmerman isn’t white.