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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your not a Pali, no matter how much you wish it so, your either Jordanian or Egyptian an a arab to boot. Pssst, by the way, your never ever going to get your own state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your not a Pali, no matter how much you wish it so, your either Jordanian or Egyptian an a arab to boot. Pssst, by the way, your never ever going to get your own state.</p>
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		<title>By: Khalil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Khalil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Dec 2013 04:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[im Palestinian from Palestine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im Palestinian from Palestine.</p>
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		<title>By: Khalil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Khalil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Dec 2013 04:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[funny.. im Palestinian and im from Palestine]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funny.. im Palestinian and im from Palestine</p>
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		<title>By: muchiboy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[muchiboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well,it worked for the Israeli&#039;s,didn&#039;t it?And let us note that one reason for Assad&#039;s build up of chemical weapons was just that,Israeli&#039;s nuclear arsenal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,it worked for the Israeli&#8217;s,didn&#8217;t it?And let us note that one reason for Assad&#8217;s build up of chemical weapons was just that,Israeli&#8217;s nuclear arsenal.</p>
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		<title>By: Moa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not about *race*, it&#039;s about *culture*. Repeat that one hundred times until you finally get it. Until you do, you are always going to be playing catch-up in the field of ideas.

I understand fully what you are trying to say - but you need to expand you horizons away from race and toward culture. 

&gt; &quot;  Your so un-self aware that you don&#039;t realize that your entire argument for the &quot;rights&quot; of Europeans Jews to come and take land in another part of the world in the name of their literally ancient racial ties to that land is about as racists as it gets.  &quot;


FALSE. You still don&#039;t get it. The European Jews did not &quot;take&quot; the land. As you said, they purchased it in a freely agreed upon trade in the late 19th Century - which is not &quot;taking&quot; at all. All other &quot;takes&quot; were as the result of defensive wars where *sovereignty* had passed to Jewish national culture from the Ottomans and British. Arabs have no claim to the &quot;sovereignty&quot;, although they can claim title over portions of land (something else entirely).  Because Israel has sovereignty it doesn&#039;t matter what ethnicity settles - so stop with the racism you blinkered slow-learner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not about *race*, it&#8217;s about *culture*. Repeat that one hundred times until you finally get it. Until you do, you are always going to be playing catch-up in the field of ideas.</p>
<p>I understand fully what you are trying to say &#8211; but you need to expand you horizons away from race and toward culture. </p>
<p>&gt; &#8221;  Your so un-self aware that you don&#8217;t realize that your entire argument for the &#8220;rights&#8221; of Europeans Jews to come and take land in another part of the world in the name of their literally ancient racial ties to that land is about as racists as it gets.  &#8221;</p>
<p>FALSE. You still don&#8217;t get it. The European Jews did not &#8220;take&#8221; the land. As you said, they purchased it in a freely agreed upon trade in the late 19th Century &#8211; which is not &#8220;taking&#8221; at all. All other &#8220;takes&#8221; were as the result of defensive wars where *sovereignty* had passed to Jewish national culture from the Ottomans and British. Arabs have no claim to the &#8220;sovereignty&#8221;, although they can claim title over portions of land (something else entirely).  Because Israel has sovereignty it doesn&#8217;t matter what ethnicity settles &#8211; so stop with the racism you blinkered slow-learner.</p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re a bone head.  Your so un-self aware that you don&#039;t realize that your entire argument for the rights of Europeans Jews to come and take land in another part of the world in the name of their race is about as racists as it gets.  
I say:  The Jewish European settlers took land by purchase and by force. They defended it.  They developed it.  They built a nation. They also won multiple wars defending that land by others with zero claim to it.  They won.  It&#039;s theirs.  
What is this place, the Soviet Union where certain realities don&#039;t dare be spoken?  Stop with the leftist/racist drivel of &quot;our people lived here first!&quot; and claims of &quot;racism&quot; and anti-Semitism.  Stop with the baby talk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a bone head.  Your so un-self aware that you don&#8217;t realize that your entire argument for the rights of Europeans Jews to come and take land in another part of the world in the name of their race is about as racists as it gets.<br />
I say:  The Jewish European settlers took land by purchase and by force. They defended it.  They developed it.  They built a nation. They also won multiple wars defending that land by others with zero claim to it.  They won.  It&#8217;s theirs.<br />
What is this place, the Soviet Union where certain realities don&#8217;t dare be spoken?  Stop with the leftist/racist drivel of &#8220;our people lived here first!&#8221; and claims of &#8220;racism&#8221; and anti-Semitism.  Stop with the baby talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Moa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lol. You stop debating and start calling names. That&#039;s because your anti-scientific stance would rather grasp on to your false Narrative than listen to the facts I&#039;ve presented.  

You claim that the Islamic Empire was &quot;nice&quot; but you have to ignore a huge amount of history to do so. I talk to Serbians daily. They remember what you choose to forget.

You&#039;re the nutjob. You decide to ignore facts because you&#039;ve already prejudiced your decision making.

&quot; Grow up&quot;.

Lol. Pathetic. You can&#039;t debate the facts once they&#039;re presented to you. 


The great Carl Sagan once said:
“In science it often happens that scientists say, 
&#039;You know that&#039;s a really good argument; my position is mistaken,&#039; and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn&#039;t happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion.”




That&#039;s the fundamental problem with you Left-leaning types. You have your &quot;Narrative&quot; and you mistake being &quot;principled&quot; as sticking to this Narrative no matter how many inconvenient facts come in the way (you&#039;d rather discard facts than the false Narrative). Well, a &quot;grown up&quot; sees the &quot;real world&quot; as dominated by facts rather than false Narratives. The ideas are changeable - they&#039;re simply the best explanation for the known facts. As new facts become known to you (eg. the  unquestionable historical record of 1400 years of brutal treatment of non-Muslims by Muslims) then your idea should be adapted or discarded in light of the facts. That&#039;s how science works. That&#039;s how enlightened &quot;grown ups&quot; work.  It is clearly not how you yet work. This is an opportunity for you to think on how you go about your reasoning process. When confronted by historical facts do you a) use them to modify your opinion, even discarding that opinion? or b) discard the facts and call those who present them as &quot;nutjobs&quot;?


Grow up, indeed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol. You stop debating and start calling names. That&#8217;s because your anti-scientific stance would rather grasp on to your false Narrative than listen to the facts I&#8217;ve presented.  </p>
<p>You claim that the Islamic Empire was &#8220;nice&#8221; but you have to ignore a huge amount of history to do so. I talk to Serbians daily. They remember what you choose to forget.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the nutjob. You decide to ignore facts because you&#8217;ve already prejudiced your decision making.</p>
<p>&#8221; Grow up&#8221;.</p>
<p>Lol. Pathetic. You can&#8217;t debate the facts once they&#8217;re presented to you. </p>
<p>The great Carl Sagan once said:<br />
“In science it often happens that scientists say,<br />
&#8216;You know that&#8217;s a really good argument; my position is mistaken,&#8217; and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn&#8217;t happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion.”</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the fundamental problem with you Left-leaning types. You have your &#8220;Narrative&#8221; and you mistake being &#8220;principled&#8221; as sticking to this Narrative no matter how many inconvenient facts come in the way (you&#8217;d rather discard facts than the false Narrative). Well, a &#8220;grown up&#8221; sees the &#8220;real world&#8221; as dominated by facts rather than false Narratives. The ideas are changeable &#8211; they&#8217;re simply the best explanation for the known facts. As new facts become known to you (eg. the  unquestionable historical record of 1400 years of brutal treatment of non-Muslims by Muslims) then your idea should be adapted or discarded in light of the facts. That&#8217;s how science works. That&#8217;s how enlightened &#8220;grown ups&#8221; work.  It is clearly not how you yet work. This is an opportunity for you to think on how you go about your reasoning process. When confronted by historical facts do you a) use them to modify your opinion, even discarding that opinion? or b) discard the facts and call those who present them as &#8220;nutjobs&#8221;?</p>
<p>Grow up, indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah.  &quot;Blah blah&quot; indeed.  You&#039;re another right wing extremist nutjob.  Grow up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.  &#8220;Blah blah&#8221; indeed.  You&#8217;re another right wing extremist nutjob.  Grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Moa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 06:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; &quot;At its height, the Muslim empire was very &quot;progressive&quot; by current standards, and even managed to treat Jews nicely.&quot;

Blah, blah. That was 800 years ago. Get with the times. And no, the Muslim Empire was never &quot;nice&quot;. It discriminated against all dhimmis. It forced them to pay the onerous jizya or have something bad happen. This is not &quot;nice&quot;, it is an international *Mafia system*. That you have the immorality gall to defend!

How about you ask the million-jhad-slaughtered Armenians whether they think Islamic Empires are &quot;nice&quot;? or the 280 million victims of jihad globally over the ages? or the Serbians, whose children were taken from them to make janissaries and commit atrocities against their own people? or the Assyrians who are nearing extinction in Iraq due to Islam *today*? or the Kurds oppressed by Islam *today*? or the Southern Sudanese enslaved by Islam *today*? or the Copts in Egypt whose children are abducted by Islamists *today*?

Your apologetics are so wrong it is sickening.

Why do you keep being so wroing? because you spout the conceited line that it&#039;s all the fault of the US and the West. Bullsh!t.  Islam has been killing for 1400 years and will not stop. The US has been a factor in Middle East politics but it is far less of a factor than Islam (which is why the Arabs have been killing for far longer than the US has been meddling) and also far less of a factor than Soviet policies (with their extremely good disinformation campaign).

Speaking of Marxist disinformation, I suggest you read General Ion Mihai Pacepa&#039;s excellent book that describes it from the Warsaw Pact side. Hopefully after reading you would stop repeating the disinformation the Marxists have trained you to parrot. You might smarten up a bit and realise who the true enemies to personal liberty are (hint: it&#039;s the ideology running the White House, and their Islamist friends in the Red-Green Alliance).


You will continue to be wrong as long as you rely on polluted Marxists sources. Instead, if you want to learn about the Middle East you mist go to the primary source - what Muslims are saying for the benefit of other Muslims (the MEMRI and CAMERA projects can help you with this). The Muslims make abundantly clear why they do what they do. Too bad you are too conceited about the Leftist Narrative to actually *listen*. This makes your approach deeply unscientific - which is why your &quot;understanding&quot; of the situation is divorced from reality. Too bad the narcissist President of the USA suffers from the same fatal flaw - which is why he is so irrelevant to what is going in the Middle East, and why he has zero leverage despite throwing hundreds of billions around the region.  It&#039;s all because he soaks up the delusional Marxist Narrative instead of *listening* to find the Truth - because the Arabs and Iranians are not shy about hiding their views and intentions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; &#8220;At its height, the Muslim empire was very &#8220;progressive&#8221; by current standards, and even managed to treat Jews nicely.&#8221;</p>
<p>Blah, blah. That was 800 years ago. Get with the times. And no, the Muslim Empire was never &#8220;nice&#8221;. It discriminated against all dhimmis. It forced them to pay the onerous jizya or have something bad happen. This is not &#8220;nice&#8221;, it is an international *Mafia system*. That you have the immorality gall to defend!</p>
<p>How about you ask the million-jhad-slaughtered Armenians whether they think Islamic Empires are &#8220;nice&#8221;? or the 280 million victims of jihad globally over the ages? or the Serbians, whose children were taken from them to make janissaries and commit atrocities against their own people? or the Assyrians who are nearing extinction in Iraq due to Islam *today*? or the Kurds oppressed by Islam *today*? or the Southern Sudanese enslaved by Islam *today*? or the Copts in Egypt whose children are abducted by Islamists *today*?</p>
<p>Your apologetics are so wrong it is sickening.</p>
<p>Why do you keep being so wroing? because you spout the conceited line that it&#8217;s all the fault of the US and the West. Bullsh!t.  Islam has been killing for 1400 years and will not stop. The US has been a factor in Middle East politics but it is far less of a factor than Islam (which is why the Arabs have been killing for far longer than the US has been meddling) and also far less of a factor than Soviet policies (with their extremely good disinformation campaign).</p>
<p>Speaking of Marxist disinformation, I suggest you read General Ion Mihai Pacepa&#8217;s excellent book that describes it from the Warsaw Pact side. Hopefully after reading you would stop repeating the disinformation the Marxists have trained you to parrot. You might smarten up a bit and realise who the true enemies to personal liberty are (hint: it&#8217;s the ideology running the White House, and their Islamist friends in the Red-Green Alliance).</p>
<p>You will continue to be wrong as long as you rely on polluted Marxists sources. Instead, if you want to learn about the Middle East you mist go to the primary source &#8211; what Muslims are saying for the benefit of other Muslims (the MEMRI and CAMERA projects can help you with this). The Muslims make abundantly clear why they do what they do. Too bad you are too conceited about the Leftist Narrative to actually *listen*. This makes your approach deeply unscientific &#8211; which is why your &#8220;understanding&#8221; of the situation is divorced from reality. Too bad the narcissist President of the USA suffers from the same fatal flaw &#8211; which is why he is so irrelevant to what is going in the Middle East, and why he has zero leverage despite throwing hundreds of billions around the region.  It&#8217;s all because he soaks up the delusional Marxist Narrative instead of *listening* to find the Truth &#8211; because the Arabs and Iranians are not shy about hiding their views and intentions.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They negotiated resettlement in part justified by their continuous presence there. It does have to do with the reasons for retaking sovereignty. You might disagree with this reason, but it was a driving factor at the start.


In the end, the strong win. But politics also count and if you don&#039;t have justifications that people accept you end up needing to fight more. And they didn&#039;t even need to fight for decades, so their justifications were compelling to many people.


There is nothing wrong with explaining the nuanced truth. If you explain original justifications and you have the facts to back you up, you&#039;ll have fewer people you need to fight with force to retain your sovereignty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They negotiated resettlement in part justified by their continuous presence there. It does have to do with the reasons for retaking sovereignty. You might disagree with this reason, but it was a driving factor at the start.</p>
<p>In the end, the strong win. But politics also count and if you don&#8217;t have justifications that people accept you end up needing to fight more. And they didn&#8217;t even need to fight for decades, so their justifications were compelling to many people.</p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with explaining the nuanced truth. If you explain original justifications and you have the facts to back you up, you&#8217;ll have fewer people you need to fight with force to retain your sovereignty.</p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We were actually discussing American foreign policy in much of the Arab world, not specifically the Palestinians.  

But since you brought them up, understand that the anti-Israel forces arrayed against Israel were not explicitly or particularly religiously motivated until around the late &#039;80s when you start seeing the growth of Hamas and Hezbollah and religious calls for violence against Israelis and Jews - over the fight for land.  

&quot;Non-Muslims have been hated since the time of Mohammed.&quot;

At its height, the Muslim empire was very &quot;progressive&quot; by current standards, and even managed to treat Jews nicely.  My point: when they had achieved their secular aims of controlling lands, they chilled out.  Like any people, when they are under extreme pressure, they organize around extreme methods and ideologies.  
 
The Arab world has used modern, Western doctrines to organize itself against Western control, including pan-Arab nationalism, flirted with the Nazis as allies (though not necessarily Nazism), socialism/pan-Arabism, and finally failing all of that, some are now organizing around violent interpretations of Islam to achieve secular aims, i.e., control of their governments, land and resources.  That&#039;s where we are today.

Your charges of being anti-American or Marxist, etc., are childish.  You can&#039;t understand the world you live in if you don&#039;t know what&#039;s taken place before it.  You can&#039;t know how to deal with one&#039;s enemies if you don&#039;t know what their goals are.  

A critical remark about American foreign policy hardly makes one Howard Zinn.  For all sorts of very good reasons and with good intentions, the US has imposed its will on that part of the world.  We created and kept peace and stability.  Arabs have a lot to thank us for.  But the manner in which we have imposed that stability is untenable and has distorted and stunted the political growth of those people (one thing neo-cons understood).  They are demanding self determination.  Let&#039;s give it to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were actually discussing American foreign policy in much of the Arab world, not specifically the Palestinians.  </p>
<p>But since you brought them up, understand that the anti-Israel forces arrayed against Israel were not explicitly or particularly religiously motivated until around the late &#8217;80s when you start seeing the growth of Hamas and Hezbollah and religious calls for violence against Israelis and Jews &#8211; over the fight for land.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Non-Muslims have been hated since the time of Mohammed.&#8221;</p>
<p>At its height, the Muslim empire was very &#8220;progressive&#8221; by current standards, and even managed to treat Jews nicely.  My point: when they had achieved their secular aims of controlling lands, they chilled out.  Like any people, when they are under extreme pressure, they organize around extreme methods and ideologies.  </p>
<p>The Arab world has used modern, Western doctrines to organize itself against Western control, including pan-Arab nationalism, flirted with the Nazis as allies (though not necessarily Nazism), socialism/pan-Arabism, and finally failing all of that, some are now organizing around violent interpretations of Islam to achieve secular aims, i.e., control of their governments, land and resources.  That&#8217;s where we are today.</p>
<p>Your charges of being anti-American or Marxist, etc., are childish.  You can&#8217;t understand the world you live in if you don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s taken place before it.  You can&#8217;t know how to deal with one&#8217;s enemies if you don&#8217;t know what their goals are.  </p>
<p>A critical remark about American foreign policy hardly makes one Howard Zinn.  For all sorts of very good reasons and with good intentions, the US has imposed its will on that part of the world.  We created and kept peace and stability.  Arabs have a lot to thank us for.  But the manner in which we have imposed that stability is untenable and has distorted and stunted the political growth of those people (one thing neo-cons understood).  They are demanding self determination.  Let&#8217;s give it to them.</p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Israelis&#039; sovereignity exists because they got there, took land, developed it, established a country and defend it. They won. 
Their sovereignity has nothing to do with this ridiculous piece of leftist ethnic/religious/racial group think, which you would rightly rejected out of hand if it was used in support of group you didn&#039;t prefer:
&quot;Which is justified in part by a continuous presence of their brethren.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israelis&#8217; sovereignity exists because they got there, took land, developed it, established a country and defend it. They won.<br />
Their sovereignity has nothing to do with this ridiculous piece of leftist ethnic/religious/racial group think, which you would rightly rejected out of hand if it was used in support of group you didn&#8217;t prefer:<br />
&#8220;Which is justified in part by a continuous presence of their brethren.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: muchiboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know where you have been nightly,but it certainly wasn&#039;t spent perusing the current Western opinions on Syria and Egypt.If the West is guilty of &quot;selective outrage&quot;,it is biased in favor of the nasty,Zionist entity of Israel.Perhaps we are all guilty to some extent,of seeing what we want to see,despite the evidence in front of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know where you have been nightly,but it certainly wasn&#8217;t spent perusing the current Western opinions on Syria and Egypt.If the West is guilty of &#8220;selective outrage&#8221;,it is biased in favor of the nasty,Zionist entity of Israel.Perhaps we are all guilty to some extent,of seeing what we want to see,despite the evidence in front of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Moa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, so you have a beef with Ottoman and British Mandate immigration policies. Why not take it up with them, instead of projecting on to the Israelis ?   Perhaps then your latent racism wouldn&#039;t get the workout that secretly pleases you.

Speaking of racism, I think you have difficulty because you think in terms of race (the Left in generally is quite racist - and utterly blind to the fact they are).

The Israelis don&#039;t seem to think in terms of race/ethnicity. They appear to think more in terms of &#039;culture&#039;. As long as you share their culture then you have an automatic right to immigrate to Israel.  So, having extra Ashkenazi join the Ashkenazi, Sephardim that joined Palestinian Jews fifty years earlier did not present a problem for the Jews - because they think in terms of culture (instead of the racist terms you do).

&gt; &quot;As more and more European Jews came, more and more land was bought and or/violently confiscated from Arabs.&quot;
Who did the confiscation during the Ottoman Period and the Mandate? The Israelis were not in the driver&#039;s seat at that time. &quot;Abandoned Land&quot; was taken in a 1948 law, but that is a different story (just after the War of Independence).


Furthermore, the Arabs may have held private holdings on plots of land, but they have never held *sovereignty*, because they keep rejecting offers to take it - including in 1948 and every time ever since. The Arabs are not interested in part of the land. They just want to commit genocide against the Jews (as specified by Mohammed in the hadith I&#039;ve already quoted) and because all lands where Muslims live must become Muslims lands eventually  (yes, and the West has been enthusiastically importing Muslims since the politicians have been fooled by the Marxists and kept blind to actual Islamic doctrine).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so you have a beef with Ottoman and British Mandate immigration policies. Why not take it up with them, instead of projecting on to the Israelis ?   Perhaps then your latent racism wouldn&#8217;t get the workout that secretly pleases you.</p>
<p>Speaking of racism, I think you have difficulty because you think in terms of race (the Left in generally is quite racist &#8211; and utterly blind to the fact they are).</p>
<p>The Israelis don&#8217;t seem to think in terms of race/ethnicity. They appear to think more in terms of &#8216;culture&#8217;. As long as you share their culture then you have an automatic right to immigrate to Israel.  So, having extra Ashkenazi join the Ashkenazi, Sephardim that joined Palestinian Jews fifty years earlier did not present a problem for the Jews &#8211; because they think in terms of culture (instead of the racist terms you do).</p>
<p>&gt; &#8220;As more and more European Jews came, more and more land was bought and or/violently confiscated from Arabs.&#8221;<br />
Who did the confiscation during the Ottoman Period and the Mandate? The Israelis were not in the driver&#8217;s seat at that time. &#8220;Abandoned Land&#8221; was taken in a 1948 law, but that is a different story (just after the War of Independence).</p>
<p>Furthermore, the Arabs may have held private holdings on plots of land, but they have never held *sovereignty*, because they keep rejecting offers to take it &#8211; including in 1948 and every time ever since. The Arabs are not interested in part of the land. They just want to commit genocide against the Jews (as specified by Mohammed in the hadith I&#8217;ve already quoted) and because all lands where Muslims live must become Muslims lands eventually  (yes, and the West has been enthusiastically importing Muslims since the politicians have been fooled by the Marxists and kept blind to actual Islamic doctrine).</p>
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		<title>By: Moa</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[False. You are just parroting the Leftist mantra.  Why don&#039;t you actually take the time to listen to what the Palestinian Arabs and Muslims globally are saying? why do you Lefties have to project your own nonsense worldview instead of taking a scientific approach and listening to what the Arabs themselves say (in Arabic, for the benefit of other Arabs).


When you actually stop project and start to *listen* you will discover the conflict is not really about land. It is about the hadith Sahih Muslim 6985 (go, look it up) where the Last Day will not come until the Muslims have slaughtered the Jews (not just in Israel - the genocide is commanded for Jews everywhere).


Written in grafitti on the walls of the West Bank is the slogan, &quot;First comes Saturday, then comes Sunday&quot;. Innocuous?  Nope. It means, &quot;First we kill the people who worship on Saturday [the Jews], and then we kill the people who worship on Sunday [all Westerners; they lump us all together as Christians]&quot;.  The is commanded in the Qur&#039;an in Sura 9:5 and 9:29 - and this Sura abrogates earlier [in time, not in location in the Qur&#039;an] Sura.


The story of the &quot;rage&quot; against the West due to Western foreign policy is a nonsense promoted by Cultural Marxists and their impressive sounding but thoroughly idiotic &quot;Critical Theory&quot;  [simply put, this is, whatever happens around the globe, blame the US, Israel, Britain and the West; non-Westerners do not have to own up to responsibility for their own actions, its all the fault of Westerners].  Naturally, this was originally started by the Soviet agitprop working in the Middle East, and is now carried by the Cultural Marxism prevalent in Western media/universities politicians etc.


Note. Non-Muslims have been hated since the time of Mohammed. The jihad has been waged for 1400 years and will not stop until Islam is stopped. This has nothing to do with land, what the Israelis or US did or did not do (they are far younger than the hatred of jihad), or drones (hadn&#039;t been invented), or Western imperialism  (while the current wave of evil Arab Islamic Cultural Imperialism is ignored).


Stop repeating false memes please. Instead, try and learn how to listen. Places like MEMRI will show you exactly what motivates the Islamists - if you care to actually listen instead of repeating Marxist nonsense.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>False. You are just parroting the Leftist mantra.  Why don&#8217;t you actually take the time to listen to what the Palestinian Arabs and Muslims globally are saying? why do you Lefties have to project your own nonsense worldview instead of taking a scientific approach and listening to what the Arabs themselves say (in Arabic, for the benefit of other Arabs).</p>
<p>When you actually stop project and start to *listen* you will discover the conflict is not really about land. It is about the hadith Sahih Muslim 6985 (go, look it up) where the Last Day will not come until the Muslims have slaughtered the Jews (not just in Israel &#8211; the genocide is commanded for Jews everywhere).</p>
<p>Written in grafitti on the walls of the West Bank is the slogan, &#8220;First comes Saturday, then comes Sunday&#8221;. Innocuous?  Nope. It means, &#8220;First we kill the people who worship on Saturday [the Jews], and then we kill the people who worship on Sunday [all Westerners; they lump us all together as Christians]&#8220;.  The is commanded in the Qur&#8217;an in Sura 9:5 and 9:29 &#8211; and this Sura abrogates earlier [in time, not in location in the Qur'an] Sura.</p>
<p>The story of the &#8220;rage&#8221; against the West due to Western foreign policy is a nonsense promoted by Cultural Marxists and their impressive sounding but thoroughly idiotic &#8220;Critical Theory&#8221;  [simply put, this is, whatever happens around the globe, blame the US, Israel, Britain and the West; non-Westerners do not have to own up to responsibility for their own actions, its all the fault of Westerners].  Naturally, this was originally started by the Soviet agitprop working in the Middle East, and is now carried by the Cultural Marxism prevalent in Western media/universities politicians etc.</p>
<p>Note. Non-Muslims have been hated since the time of Mohammed. The jihad has been waged for 1400 years and will not stop until Islam is stopped. This has nothing to do with land, what the Israelis or US did or did not do (they are far younger than the hatred of jihad), or drones (hadn&#8217;t been invented), or Western imperialism  (while the current wave of evil Arab Islamic Cultural Imperialism is ignored).</p>
<p>Stop repeating false memes please. Instead, try and learn how to listen. Places like MEMRI will show you exactly what motivates the Islamists &#8211; if you care to actually listen instead of repeating Marxist nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 04:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But please, don&#039;t tell me that Europeans had some innate &quot;right&quot; to that land because of some historic/religious/racial claim, or because others with their same heritage were there at the time.&quot;



They&#039;re rights come from their legitimate sovereignty. Which is justified in part by a continuous presence of their brethren. And that presence is only salient because it rectifies lies against them as alien &quot;invaders&quot; or &quot;colonists.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But please, don&#8217;t tell me that Europeans had some innate &#8220;right&#8221; to that land because of some historic/religious/racial claim, or because others with their same heritage were there at the time.&#8221;</p>
<p>They&#8217;re rights come from their legitimate sovereignty. Which is justified in part by a continuous presence of their brethren. And that presence is only salient because it rectifies lies against them as alien &#8220;invaders&#8221; or &#8220;colonists.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There were plenty of Jews there, but not the Europeans who came in and established the country of modern Israel.&quot;

So you&#039;re opposed to a sovereign controlling its own immigration policies?

&quot;What I resent is the constant &quot;woe is me&quot; attitude. They&#039;re winning this conflict hands down.&quot;

They win militarily and then lose politically. The &quot;woe is me&quot; is resistance to losing politically.



I suppose you&#039;d keep your mouth shut if media constantly incited others to kill you for religious reasons, even after the deception based justifications for these calls became widely published and accepted as factual. You&#039;d remain silent because you were &quot;winning.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There were plenty of Jews there, but not the Europeans who came in and established the country of modern Israel.&#8221;</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re opposed to a sovereign controlling its own immigration policies?</p>
<p>&#8220;What I resent is the constant &#8220;woe is me&#8221; attitude. They&#8217;re winning this conflict hands down.&#8221;</p>
<p>They win militarily and then lose politically. The &#8220;woe is me&#8221; is resistance to losing politically.</p>
<p>I suppose you&#8217;d keep your mouth shut if media constantly incited others to kill you for religious reasons, even after the deception based justifications for these calls became widely published and accepted as factual. You&#8217;d remain silent because you were &#8220;winning.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 03:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Lets see if you feel any different when Iran starts building their apartment buildings in Israel.&quot;



Why would they do that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lets see if you feel any different when Iran starts building their apartment buildings in Israel.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why would they do that?</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I believe they would have created something uniquely Arabic and far more representative and organic for that society. Something we wouldn&#039;t like to live under, but which is comfortable for them and which would not put an entire society at odds with America. Imagine that. &quot;

Only in your imagination. Let me guess; if not for Israel...or did we steal too much of the oil we found for them and then bought from them? What stopped them?

&quot;Who do you think we&#039;ve put in place?! Are you actually as ignorant about your own country&#039;s history? It is the very dictators-for-life that the US has put in place and propped up for decades, e.g., the House of Saud, the Mubarak regime, formerly Saddam, the Shah, etc. who smothered any natural political evolution.&quot;


&quot;Who do you think we&#039;ve put in place?! Are you actually as ignorant about your own country&#039;s history? It is the very dictators-for-life that the US has put in place and propped up for decades, e.g., the House of Saud, the Mubarak regime, formerly Saddam, the Shah, etc. who smothered any natural political evolution.&quot;

&quot;House of Saud&quot; (I assume you&#039;re talking about sovereignty over the nation) was established by King Abdulaziz via jihad. Is that what you&#039;re talking about?

&quot;The Mubarak regime&quot; came to power after the assassination of Sadat, who came to power after the death of Nasser. All 3 men overthrew the king you refer to as a puppet of the West. Those are your archetypes for what you propose. They only cooperated with us when we seduced them. In some cases they seduced us. Whatever evil they created has nothing to do with us.

We actively supported the &quot;Shah,&quot; but I don&#039;t think we have anything to apologize for with that.

The whole region would be destitute without Western assistance and leadership. No matter what decisions you want to examine in a vacuum, very few people ever acknowledge the mostly positive things we have done. Few of them want to reject modernism, they actually want to reject us from leading it. They imagine some kind of sharia compliant modernism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I believe they would have created something uniquely Arabic and far more representative and organic for that society. Something we wouldn&#8217;t like to live under, but which is comfortable for them and which would not put an entire society at odds with America. Imagine that. &#8221;</p>
<p>Only in your imagination. Let me guess; if not for Israel&#8230;or did we steal too much of the oil we found for them and then bought from them? What stopped them?</p>
<p>&#8220;Who do you think we&#8217;ve put in place?! Are you actually as ignorant about your own country&#8217;s history? It is the very dictators-for-life that the US has put in place and propped up for decades, e.g., the House of Saud, the Mubarak regime, formerly Saddam, the Shah, etc. who smothered any natural political evolution.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Who do you think we&#8217;ve put in place?! Are you actually as ignorant about your own country&#8217;s history? It is the very dictators-for-life that the US has put in place and propped up for decades, e.g., the House of Saud, the Mubarak regime, formerly Saddam, the Shah, etc. who smothered any natural political evolution.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;House of Saud&#8221; (I assume you&#8217;re talking about sovereignty over the nation) was established by King Abdulaziz via jihad. Is that what you&#8217;re talking about?</p>
<p>&#8220;The Mubarak regime&#8221; came to power after the assassination of Sadat, who came to power after the death of Nasser. All 3 men overthrew the king you refer to as a puppet of the West. Those are your archetypes for what you propose. They only cooperated with us when we seduced them. In some cases they seduced us. Whatever evil they created has nothing to do with us.</p>
<p>We actively supported the &#8220;Shah,&#8221; but I don&#8217;t think we have anything to apologize for with that.</p>
<p>The whole region would be destitute without Western assistance and leadership. No matter what decisions you want to examine in a vacuum, very few people ever acknowledge the mostly positive things we have done. Few of them want to reject modernism, they actually want to reject us from leading it. They imagine some kind of sharia compliant modernism.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Now please explain how when a lessor chooses not to renew an expired lease, that constitutes &quot;theft&quot; from the lessee, or &quot;leftism,&quot; or an attack on capitalism.&quot;



That depends on the terms of the lease. Most leases have clauses that use language intended to cover such circumstances and the consequences. Especially in heavy industry.


You&#039;ve reduced the summary to appeal to people who don&#039;t understand how businesses and leases operate. It&#039;s not a car lease. There are also subjective factors when sovereigns nationalize what was once attracting private investment. And finally there were also additional cold war considerations.


I don&#039;t mind when people teach history accurately. I&#039;m not saying that we always do things without controversy. I&#039;m saying that if people want to teach history, don&#039;t use it deceptively as a weapon to attack Western democracy, civilization or the USA in particular.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now please explain how when a lessor chooses not to renew an expired lease, that constitutes &#8220;theft&#8221; from the lessee, or &#8220;leftism,&#8221; or an attack on capitalism.&#8221;</p>
<p>That depends on the terms of the lease. Most leases have clauses that use language intended to cover such circumstances and the consequences. Especially in heavy industry.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve reduced the summary to appeal to people who don&#8217;t understand how businesses and leases operate. It&#8217;s not a car lease. There are also subjective factors when sovereigns nationalize what was once attracting private investment. And finally there were also additional cold war considerations.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind when people teach history accurately. I&#8217;m not saying that we always do things without controversy. I&#8217;m saying that if people want to teach history, don&#8217;t use it deceptively as a weapon to attack Western democracy, civilization or the USA in particular.</p>
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