Jews Under Muslim Attack in Europe

With President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry planning to visit Israel and the Palestinian Authority next month, speculation proliferates as to whether Obama plans—once again—to push for “peace” between Israel and the PA, or has learned from his first term that such an outcome is hard to attain and still more effort in pursuit of it is not likely to be rewarded.

Meanwhile the French Jewish community reports a record rise of 58% in anti-Semitic incidents for 2012—a total of 614 compared to 389 in 2011. While seemingly not directly relevant to the question about Obama’s visit, the situation in France—and Western Europe generally—in fact tells much about the Middle East and Israel’s position in it.

Amid the general increase in anti-Semitic activity in France, then, there were almost twice as many physical attacks on Jews there in 2012 as in 2011, and 25% of those involved a weapon. Why the dramatic rise? While anti-Semitic behavior is known to burgeon during and after major Israeli military operations, 2012 saw only the eight-day-long Operation Pillar of Defense against Gaza rocket fire in November.

Yet the incidents in France started to mount well before then—after an incident on March 22. In it a French Muslim of Algerian descent named Mohamed Merah murdered four Jews in a school in Toulouse. Merah had earlier murdered three off-duty French soldiers.

Merah’s victims at the school were a 30-year-old teacher-rabbi, his six-year-old and three-year-old sons, and an eight-year-old girl whom Merah chased, grabbed by the hair, and shot in the head.

Ever since, French Jewry has been reporting a rise in attacks. The above-linked report confirms it: “After the Toulouse attack, numerous anti-Semitic acts were committed and included support or identification to Merah and his act.”

In other words, there were many for whom the school massacre was an inspirational event, evoking not condemnation but emulation.

The report notes that “55% of racist violence in France in 2012 targeted Jews” and then gives this breakdown: “175 violent hate crimes have been recorded: 96 anti-Semitic acts, 70 racist and xenophobic acts, and 9 anti-Muslim acts.”

That imbalance is all the more magnified by the fact that the French Muslim community is about ten times the size of the French Jewish one. The report, however, never gets around to saying what French population group, if any, tends to be responsible for the attacks on Jews.

A report in Algemeiner last June was less circumspect, describing a brutal attack on three French Jewish youths by a Muslim gang and quoting French Jewish artist Ron Agam:

It is about time now for the French authorities to radically search for these Imams and put a stop to the brainwashing [of] tens of thousands of Muslim kids in France.

It is unacceptable that this culture of racism and antisemitism is being tolerated by a significant number of the Muslim community, this culture must stop.

An article this week by leading anti-Semitism scholar Manfred Gerstenfeld makes clear that the problem goes well beyond France and is widespread in Western Europe.

While “detailed data on Muslim anti-Semitism in Western Europe is very limited,” Gerstenfeld notes, “the few existing studies all point in one direction.”

One of them, in 2011, found that about 50% of Muslim second- and third-grade students in Dutch-language elementary schools in Brussels “could be considered anti-Semites, versus 10% of others.”

Another study that same year interviewed 117 “Muslim male youngsters (average age 19) in Berlin, Paris and London” and found that “the majority…voiced some, or strong anti-Semitic feelings. They expressed them openly and often aggressively.”

After citing some more findings in this vein, Gerstenfeld notes that “These projects and much anecdotal information reveal that anti-Semitism among substantial parts of European Muslim communities is much higher than in autochthonous populations”—however much, one might add, some in the French Jewish community find it impolitic to mention it.

Gerstenfeld, however, goes on to fault the authorities of those autochthonous populations for “allow[ing] immigrants into their countries in a non-selective way without taking into account the cultural differences…. They should have known that actively promoting anti-Semitism was part and parcel of the cultures these people came from.”

That observation, in turn, is easily substantiated by Pew Center polls of Middle Eastern and other Muslim-majority countries—like the one in 2009 that found 74% of Indonesians, 78% of Pakistanis, 97% of Jordanians, 98% of Lebanese, 95% of Egyptians, and—dare one say it—97% in the Palestinian territories expressing anti-Semitic attitudes.

Clearly, a hatred so powerful and categorical that it leads even Muslims in Western Europe to attack non-Israeli Jews in the streets, and identify with a deliberate child-murderer, is far removed from “criticism of Israeli policy” or longing for a two-state solution.

For Obama and Kerry in their visit, then, the better part of wisdom would be to avoid treating Israel and the 97%-anti-Semitic Palestinian Authority as equivalents and pressuring the former into concessions.

Indeed, the longstanding flaw in U.S. policy is a failure to treat Israel as what it is: a country radically different from the surrounding societies both in its democratic norms and in the degree of its high-tech and military prowess, making it an ideologically apposite and strategically valuable ally especially if strengthened rather than weakened.

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  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Never forget Ilan Halami.

    Ilan Halimi
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilan_Halimi

    "Ilan Halimi (Hebrew: אילן חלימי‎) was a young French Jewish man [2] kidnapped on 21 January 2006 by a group called "the Gang of Barbarians" (Gang des Barbares) and subsequently tortured, over a period of three weeks, resulting in his death. The murder was motivated by antisemitism and money, and heightened fears of resurgent antisemitism in France.[3]

    A total of 27 people were accused as implicated in the crime and were tried for kidnapping and murder in 2009. Gang leader Youssouf Fofana (born 1980 in Paris to immigrants from Côte d'Ivoire) was convicted and sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole for 22 years. Others received shorter prison sentences, some suspended, and three were acquitted. While Fofana's life sentence is definite, 14 of the 27 verdicts were appealed.[4] The convictions were upheld on appeal in December 2010.[5]"

    • Glennd1

      "Muslim bloodlust is boundless" – is this going to be tolerated here?

      • Glennd1

        Thanks for deleting Adina's hateful and bigoted comment.

      • Drakken

        What's the matter Glen? Having a liberal/commi meltdown because someone doesn't agree with your traitorous islamist worldview? Hold on while I get you a tissue.

        • Glennd1

          Really, you again? If you are going to argue with me, try to remember that I'm not a leftist or a commie or a dhimmi. Just someone who reads books not written by lying lawyers or radio talk show hosts…

          • Drakken

            As they say Glen, thy doth protest to much, for someone who denies being those things you mention, you sure do act like one. The books you read are leftist appologist garbage, and as they say, garbage in, garbage out. As for me, I would love to compare education and more importanly life experience, for which it is obvious that you have none.

          • Mary Sue

            No, instead you read books written by leftists without knowing they are leftist.

          • Glennd1

            So Benny Morris is a leftist?

          • Mary Sue

            ….and also books taken grossly out of context.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "So Benny Morris is a leftist?"

            You don't quote Morris. You quote leftists who quote selected phrases out of context.

            I could do it to you as a demonstration. That might be fun to make an example out of you for that.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "If you are going to argue with me, try to remember that I'm not a leftist or a commie or a dhimmi."

            Are you familiar with the term; dupe?

            "Just someone who reads books not written by lying lawyers or radio talk show hosts…"

            No, you limit yourself to lying leftist and stealth Jihadi authors, and some of them instruct you to attack legitimate historians by quoting them out of context.

            I'm paying attention.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "try to remember that I'm not a leftist or a commie or a dhimmi"

            You're a leftist commie dhimmi dupe. That also explains your denial.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        glennd1,

        9/11, 1993 bombing of the WTC, bombing of Pan Am 103, now 70,000+ dead in Syria, beheading of captives like journalist Daniel Pearl, death fatwas on writer Salman Rushdie, Danish cartoonists, sneaker bomber richard reid, underwear bomber, murder of film maker Theo Van Gogh, murder of tourists in Luxor Egypt, Beltway sniper, Fort Hood massacre, Tolouse France murders, torture and murder of Ilan Halami, 7/7/05 London transport bombings, 8 year Iraq/Iran war (1,000,000 dead)…

      • objectivefactsmatter

        Would you believe "Jihadi bloodlust?"

        And no, it's obviously not tolerated by the neutral moderators. Please witness to that effect if you have any integrity.

    • Glennd1

      Let me ask you just one question. Do you not think the Zionist conquest of Palestine and the creation of a Jewish state where there had been none for 2000 years, in the midst of Arab/Muslims, and then the ethnic cleansing of 650,000 Arab Muslims from their homes has anything to do with this conflict? Or have you completely conflated the Salafist Islamism we face with the Palestinian resistance? Fyi – I don't support Zionists or Islamists, so don't try and dismiss me as a Jihadist sympathizer.

      While I don't deny anti-semitism exists, and I don't deny that Jews are not safe some places, none of that adds up to you castigation of an entire Muslim people the way you do in your comments. But let's say you are right – it does not relieve the Zionists of one ounce of guilt. Did they earn the right to ethnically cleanse those Arab Muslims due to whatever you want to accuse all Muslims of? If Israel is morally and legally correct, then I suppose anyone can just clean out an area of Arab Muslim "savages" and take their lands and homes?

      • stern

        GlennD, you really have to get past the lies you've read about Jews "ethnically cleansing" Arabs. To begin with, at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, Jews bought land in Palestine, often paying highly inflated prices for swamp. They drained the swamps and built farms (there is plenty of historical evidence for this) and in so doing, created a huge wave of Arab immigration. This is from the Peel Report, commissioned by Britain in 1937:
        "The general beneficent effect of Jewish immigration on Arab welfare is illustrated by the fact that the increase in the Arab population is most marked in urban areas affected by Jewish development. A comparison of the Census returns in 1922 and 1931 shows that, six years ago, the increase percent in Haifa was 86, in Jaffa 62, in Jerusalem 37, while in purely Arab towns such as Nablus and Hebron it was only 7, and at Gaza there was a decrease of 2 percent.[26]"

        So far from disturbing "centuries-old" Arab communities, the Jewish immigration CREATED new Arab communities.

        As for the supposed "ethnic cleansing", there is ample evidence that most Arab refugees left willingly. Don't believe me? Would you believe the Arabs themselves? Here you go then:

        "The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence of the act of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agree upon this policy unanimously and they must share in the solution of the problem."
– Emile Ghoury, secretary of the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee, in an interview with the Beirut Telegraph Sept. 6, 1948.

        "The Arab state which had encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies, have failed to keep their promise to help these refugees."
– The Jordanian daily newspaper Falastin, Feb. 19, 1949.

        "Who brought the Palestinians to Lebanon as refugees, suffering now from the malign attitude of newspapers and communal leaders, who have neither honor nor conscience? Who brought them over in dire straits and penniless, after they lost their honor? The Arab states, and Lebanon amongst them, did it."
– The Beirut Muslim weekly Kul-Shay, Aug. 19, 1951.

        "The 15th May, 1948, arrived … On that day the mufti of Jerusalem appealed to the Arabs of Palestine to leave the country, because the Arab armies were about to enter and fight in their stead."
– The Cairo daily Akhbar el Yom, Oct. 12, 1963.

        "For the flight and fall of the other villages it is our leaders who are responsible because of their dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs … By spreading rumors of Jewish atrocities, killings of women and children etc., they instilled fear and terror in the hearts of the Arabs in Palestine, until they fled leaving their homes and properties to the enemy."
– The Jordanian daily newspaper Al Urdun, April 9, 1953.

        • Glennd1

          I've already done the reading and you and I are not historians, so our arguing will not accomplish anything. You and I disagree. Okay. I have many folks in real universities who agree with me. You have what, Karsh and Dershowitz? Just know that the weight of a Karsh and a Morris are not equal. Morris's standing in the field is much higher and he did a lot of the basic research of IDF archives, newpapers, British Intelligence and Parliamentary reports. He's not so easy to dismiss if 10 Efraim Karsh's were arguing with him, yes? You will at least agree that is true – because it is.

          I'm also not saying we should take the Palestinian's side in any of this. I actually blame the Brits and Churchill for a lot of this. There is no way the Zionists would have been able to establish their state and do what they did without the Brits. The violation of the Sikes-Picoult agreement was an immoral act of treachery. The Arab's living in Palestine saw states being erected around them but realized that they were going to be disfavored and the Zionists favored. They saw the influx of Jews as prelude to the erection of a state and felt threatened by that. Does any of that sound crazy to you? That's what I believe.

          I also put absolutely no stock in religious claims to land, so that has no weight for me. I think the Zionists had a very weak claim to a state. But still even then, if Israel had stuck to the partition agreement, I would not see Zionism as innately stained in blood. But when the expelled 650,000 Arab Muslims from 400 towns, villages and cities – then they just become another band of marauders taking what they want at the expense of others. That is axiomatically immoral. Zionists try to claim that the very fact that the Arabs tried to fight off the Zionists, first in the Arab uprisings and then in '48 are somehow belligerent when they were plainly defensive against the Zionist colonizers.

          You can support it – but what you can't say is that it didn't happen that way. You also cannot say it's moral. The world may be filled with such immoralities, but that makes no difference either. Thanks for at least not calling me an anti-semite or a Islamist sympathizer.

          Good day.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            800,00 Jews were expelled from Arab lands.

            It's a wash – both sides should receive reparations,

            650,000 Arabs from Israel.
            800,000 Jews from Arab regimes.

            The Jews of Yemen and Libya demonstrate the falsity of the claim that all the Jews of Arab conquered lands "converted" to Islam.

          • Glennd1

            Oh, so all those Jews were expelled before the state of Israel was created? Lol, not – you think you can just ignore the innately provocative nature of the Zionist experiment, but those of us who are objective understand the provocation that Zionism was. Wake up.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            800,000 Jews were expelled of fled for their lives after 1948 – AKA "the Nakba", the FAILURE of 5 Islamofascist armies to decimate the new State of Israel.

            BTW, NONE of those 5 Arab Islamofascist armies was the army of "palestine"

            I do believe that part of the outrage of Islamists is that the Israelis did not follow Koranic scripture and allowed themselves to be massacred.

            LIve and well armed Jews is a PROVOCATION?

            That's the way I like it.

            Happy ETERNAL Nakba Glennd1!

            May all your jihadi pals plans turn into personal Nakbas!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Oh, so all those Jews were expelled before the state of Israel was created?"

            He commented on reparations. Are you a sock puppet for Early Bird? You have a lot of traits in common, include a vivid imagination that leads to attributing statements to people that weren't made.

            "you think you can just ignore the innately provocative nature of the Zionist experiment,"

            I can easily ignore accusations authored by liars and their subjective analysis that is used to add an emotional element to those silly lies.

            "but those of us who are objective understand"

            LOL!

            "the provocation that Zionism was. Wake up"

            How do you objectively measure provocation? I can think of a few ways to start, but they would all involve facts that totally undo your silly observations. Every single conclusion you have argued required significant subjectivity, which is why you have to use emotional arguments and a few facts inverted and phrased with language like "ethnic cleansing" (which means what objectively?) and so forth.

            You're a twisted joke arguing with yourself. You provide the key to your own undoing for anyone that reads your silly rants. It's like you want to be caught and corrected.

            You're the objective one. Sure.

            You're the one that claims Israel colonized the territory and your "facts" presented are shady population statistics and leaps of logic with no context. All you do is hope that others respond to your leftist indoctrination the way that you did when Rashid Khalidi got you to cry in class umpteen times with a billion lies.

            Wake yourself up.

          • stern

            Yes, we will never agree, because you are determined to hold to your prejudices no matter what evidence I bring to the contrary. Did you even read the article I pointed to, where Karsh meticulously dissects Morris's shoddy scholarship? Did you check Karsh's footnotes? he doesn't just make assumptions. He proves his points.

            Did you even notice the words of the Arabs themselves, admitting that the refugees were created by the Arabs, not the Jews?

            I have been polite so far, but you go beyond the pale when you say "if Israel had stuck to the partition agreement, I would not see Zionism as innately stained in blood". For heaven's sake man, Israel AGREED to the partition and it was the Arabs who attacked. Yet you blame the Jews. The only reason I haven't called you an anti-Semite yet is because I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. After this statement, I'm not so sure.

          • Glennd1

            So now you call me prejudiced? Why, because I don't agree to your version of events? I clearly have sources for my beliefs and the reasons I believe so. I bat your silly arguments away like flies – so now you insult me? So sad. Why can't you get that a good person could see this differently? Is that impossible to you? Why do you demand the innate agreement that Zionism itself was and is a moral cause? I don't see it that way, I've told you why. I think it was a campaign of colonization and conquest. Period. Again, fair enough, just don't tell me that it's a moral cause that the U.S. must support. Just don't tell me that Israel deserves to be treated like an innocent victim.

            Wake up. You posed as a reasonable person for a moment – very rare here – but could not hold to it. I'm out.

          • stern

            And here we go. You make a clearly prejudiced statement and keep repeating it despite all the evidence. Then you put words into my mouth. You're right about one thing though. You are definitely out.

          • Drakken

            More leftist garbage, if your well read, you certainly got your healthy dose of leftist propaganda disguised as education, obviously critical thinking skills are discouraged where they filled your empty head.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Fascist Glennd1,

            Who is the victim?

            12 million Jews or 1,400 million Muslims?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "So now you call me prejudiced? Why, because I don't agree to your version of events?"

            Definition of PREJUDICE

            1
            : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
            2
            a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge
            b : an instance of such judgment or opinion
            c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

            So we call you prejudiced because you simply repeat accusations that have already been refuted by jumping to another thread by the time you repeat your defeated arguments. You use emotional arguments and rhetoric like "ethnic cleansing" combined with totally irrelevant statistics to supposedly prove your accusations of "conquest" and so forth and even use "conquest" to describe a people who return to their ancestral home as peaceful and legal immigrant aliens (their legal status) after they submit fully to the sovereign and property owners who were there already. Your irrational use of deceptive leftist anti-colonial rhetoric marks you as a bigoted leftist dupe at the least.

          • Mary Sue

            I'd love to know what your idea of a "real" historian or a "real" university is. Protip: Howard Zinn is NOT a "real historian", for example.

          • Glennd1

            Benny Morris, moron, and many, many other prominent historians all around the world agree with my characterization of events.

          • Mary Sue

            like Norman Finkelstein? [/sarcasm]

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "like Norman Finkelstein? [/sarcasm]"

            Boom. Busted. He quotes Finklestein on Morris. That's exactly what he does. I'm not joking. Then he goes around acting like an ally of the great historian who outed the "evil Jewish colonialists." Funny he doesn't mention Norm Fink as one of his heroes.

            It's pathetic and old. It works on some because they roll their eyes and walk away while poor glenn thinks he's spreading the "truth." It's "Islamic leftist truth" alright. The same flavor we get to hear whenever we get this kind of hyper-delusional visitor.

          • Drakken

            I should have picked up ole finklestines stench from Glenn, great job on picking that out from the trash that useful idiot spews.

          • Glennd1

            I used a youtube video of what Morris himself has to say – just view it here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEn2o_Jr3VA&fe… I don't cite Finkelstein once. It is true that Finkelstein did analyze Morris's scholarship, which he compliments, but criticizes his view that the real problem is that the Zionists didn't go far enough.

            I also cite Einsteins New York Times letter, a video of an interview of Shlomo Ben Ami — dupes of Finkelstein as well? Lol. Your paranoia is showing through.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I used a youtube video of what Morris himself has to say – just view it here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEn2o_Jr3VA&fe…. I don't cite Finkelstein once."

            Yeah you do.

            "It is true that Finkelstein did analyze Morris's scholarship, which he compliments, but criticizes his view that the real problem is that the Zionists didn't go far enough."

            Who authored your glorious video? Why can't you quote what Morris wrote in context? The Fink "compliments" the phrases he agrees with, as you do…out of context. Morris is useful that way. You're a Fink wannabe whether you know it or not.

            Again, I already informed you that likely you're a dupe. I don't have all of the petty details of how you acquired your indoctrination.

            "I also cite Einsteins New York Times letter, a video of an interview of Shlomo Ben Ami — dupes of Finkelstein as well? Lol. Your paranoia is showing through."

            You fail to quote anyone, including me in context. You're delusion is what shows every time you comment.

      • Drakken

        Glen, fakestian resistance is called muslim terrorism, so glad I could help your out with properly naming our enemies.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "Let me ask you just one question. Do you not think the Zionist conquest of Palestine and the creation of a Jewish state where there had been none for 2000 years, in the midst of Arab/Muslims, and then the ethnic cleansing of 650,000 Arab Muslims from their homes has anything to do with this conflict?"

        Yeah. It's called rolling back Islamic colonialism. Which you of course hate.

        • Glennd1

          So you actually now want to state that the Zionist campaign was about rolling back "Islamic colonialism"? I'm giggling, I mean it's just too bizarre and ahistorical to be taken seriously. You do realize that not a single actual historian of the topic has ever claimed this was the reason or just cause for Zionism, yes? You just pulled it out of your bozo party hat, lol. Wow. Get some help. Rejoin the rest of us in the real world, okay?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "So you actually now want to state that the Zionist campaign was about rolling back "Islamic colonialism"? I'm giggling,"

            Well you're not too bright. The "Zionists" did not remove Turkish sovereignty, which was precisely my point.

            "I mean it's just too bizarre and ahistorical to be taken seriously."

            I agree. Your ability to read and analyze history is absurd and you should really adjust your level of confidence you have for your own abilities. You are the one who claimed that the "Zionists" initiated it. They didn't. There was no "Zionist conquest." The West won WWI. The (Islamic) Turks sided with the belligerents and lost. The West went in and made a lot of decisions, got sidetracked by many things…but most salient is that Israel is the only true legitimate sovereign to arise from that process.

            "You just pulled it out of your bozo party hat, lol."

            Sure. You apparently can't even understand what you personally write.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I'm giggling"

            Still? Is that giggling or crickets I hear? I can't tell because that's pretty much the only noise coming from your direction and it's all sounding the same.

    • Prof Ethan

      Concerning 650,000 expelled in 1948: I’ve read Benny Morris’ “1948″ and in fact, I know him, since he was a visitor in my History Dept two years ago. What he says in “1948″ is that (a) the Palestinians (not the proto-Israelis) started the war, in November 1947, and (b) that the Palestinians were winning it for five months until April 1948–”decisively winning” it in the opinion of General Sir Alan Cunningham the last British ruler of the Palestine Mandate (writing in early April), and (c) that there was no concerted Mandate-wide effort at ethnic cleansing by the Israelis, although there were some serious instances of it, such as Lydda (there was no implementation, for instance, of “Plan Dalet” which is often brought up); and (d) he would ascribe the creation of the refugee issue in large part to poverty-stricken Palestinian peasants fleeing the general fighting. Today hee would certain not agree that “650,000 Palestinians were expelled.”

      • Glennd1

        Lol, keep it up. Parsing, snipping, wordsmithing. Of course you are correct that the first bit of violence in the 'war of independence' was actually instigated by a small number of Arabs in Nov '47. So what? As for your other assertions about and twisting of what Morris says or doesn't, he has said publicly that what the Zionists did "amounted to ethnic cleansing" – his exact words in a televised interview. Facts are stubborn things…

        You close by claiming that Morris would not say 650,000 were expelled. Lol. Here's a video of him saying exactly that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEn2o_Jr3VA&fe… And here's another video of Shlomo Ben Ami stating the same thing about the campaign of conquest, occupation and colonization that Zionism was. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzptCFV9mtU&fe

        Here's how laughable your narrative is. Over 50 years 500,000 Jews move to Palestine, build a army and ultimately create a state – but never intended to cleanse the 650,000 Arab Muslims living on their land that would prevent them from creating a majority Jewish state. Despite the fact that it was dicussed for decades and the U.N. partition forbade them to do so. Your position is that there is nothing morally questionable about that, that expelling them all was self-defense. So a campaign of conquest is really an act of self-defense? Even Morris doesn't claim this. What he does claim is that it's debatable whether it was intentional or not. Me? I find the suggestion that this was all unintentional laughable. You do realize that the Haganah and others had to clear and hold 400 towns, villages and cities, yes? Please, explain to us all here how that just sort of happened without any intention? Lol, don't bother because it will be utter nonsense.

        My view is that the U.S. should simply step out of it. It's a fight between two groups of peoples over ancient land claims that are inextricably tied to religion. Let them fight it out. Both sides hands are covered in blood. I do think we should offer Jews asylum here, and if you real concern is the safety of Jews, then that is a perfectly acceptable solution to the very real anti-semitism that exists in the world. But more than that is simply none of the U.S.'s business and given the crime against humanity that the Zionists committed in '48, we are under no moral obligation to support them. Many prominent Jews objected at the time of this campaign, none more famously than Albert Einstein, who in 1948 called the radical Zionists doing their dirty work in Palestine "Nazis" – his words, not mine. Anyone interested should Google his open letter to the New York Times laying this out, signed by him and many other prominent American Jews.

        I'm not alone. In fact, if you are a real professor, you know that the posture that the Zionists were victims, not the aggressors in the overall campaign of conquest, colonization and expulsion is not held by many academics. I don't see Zionists as innately evil, but rather deluded by a religious supremacy that they cannot see. The entire notion of a "Jewish state" is axiomatically religious supremacy. It's illiberal and incompatible with the U.S. version of liberty. But we never get to talk about this. Instead, it's a litany of name calling, or in your case (as with many "experts") it's abstruse fact twisting, nonstop. Just admit it. A bunch of Jews decided that they wanted a state in the late 1800s, and spent the next 50 years taking the land to do so. Period. There is nothing innately moral about that. And nothing about it that demands I as an American support it.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "As for your other assertions about and twisting of what Morris says or doesn't, he has said publicly that what the Zionists did "amounted to ethnic cleansing" – his exact words in a televised interview. Facts are stubborn things… "

          We don't deny your out-of-context quote. We deny that there is anything wrong with what the Israelis did. You're too dense to address the facts as they are. You're stupidity is a stubborn fact.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Here's how laughable your narrative is. Over 50 years 500,000 Jews move to Palestine, build a army and ultimately create a state – but never intended to cleanse the 650,000 Arab Muslims living on their land that would prevent them from creating a majority Jewish state."

          Compress the timeline and hope nobody thinks about your lame distorted narrative. It just cries out for empathy for all those Muslims and their hurt religious feelings. Who knew on September 10 that our embassies would be attacked? Who knew when the Jewish Zionists negotiated in good faith with the Turks (the sovereigns) and the Arab property owners that jihadis would later foment hatred in the same way after the Turks were gone? You're saying the Jews knew that the Turks would join Germany in WWI and were simply biding their time building secret armies, only to be actually supplied weapons in the 1930s…oh yes…you don't need timelines for your narratives.

          It's hilarious that you think you're the smart one because you can quote jihadi liars second-hand through leftist dupes. Your contempt for those who take a lot of time to explain your errors to you makes you the laughing stock of anyone who truly knows history as well as you mistakenly think you do.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            objectivefactsmatter AKBAR!

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Your position is that there is nothing morally questionable about that, that expelling them all was self-defense. "

          Yes it was self-defense. That is undeniable to anyone but complete psychotic liars. When did it happen glenn? What month and year? When did the war start glenn?

          Facts are stubborn, but they're not on your side unless you distort or create your own. You're not actually entitled to do that.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "So a campaign of conquest is really an act of self-defense?"

          What "campaign of conquest" are you referring to? In your imagination, anything can happen. So why don't you go ahead and show us your evidence for this "conquest?" I know you started to but you came up well short. To say the least.

          Your reading comprehension is close to non-existent. I've personally written, as well as read lots of clues here for you to retreat and go check out whether your arguments are solid. You keep repeating yourself on points already refuted.

          You're a completely irrational ideologue. And you can't even tell when you've lost a fight.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "You do realize that the Haganah and others had to clear and hold 400 towns, villages and cities, yes? Please, explain to us all here how that just sort of happened without any intention?"

          Where were the jihadis during all this fighting? What? They were in those 400 towns? I guess the intention was to secure the nation during a war they did not start. That's clear to the rational, reasonable people who do know the relevant history.

          How confusing it would be for you if you were to ever look at the entire relevant history through a truly objective lens. Nobody who's read your rants expects that to ever happen.

          • Glennd1

            Just to be clear. What happened in those towns, villages and cities is a matter of public record. Much of the real historical work Morris did was based on IDF and other official Israeli records from the times, as well as testimony of Jews on the scene in '48. What becomes clear is that many towns were actively cleansed. Some were shelled for days to encourage the residents to flee.

            Your perception of the events has already been acknowledged by the Israeli govt as a lie. The govt has admitted that for years it promoted a fantasy about Arabs running off at the orders of their masters. That there was nothing in Palestine before the Jews came along. That there were no real indigenous people who had lived there for a very long time in continuous, real societies. The real history shows an entirely different reality.

            You can post here all you want. I don't do this for you. I do it for the people who come here seeking truth and to understand the root cause of the problems we face. Last point. I think our support of Israel has cost us a great deal of moral authority in the world.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "What becomes clear is that many towns were actively cleansed"

            What is that supposed to mean? That's a characterization. It was a war in which the Israelis performed legitimate defense and expulsion of hostile militants. Unfortunately the Islamic jihadis chose to embroil their families by their own tactics. The jihadis are culpable for 100% of the mayhem and suffering they endured and endure to this day. You have done absolutely nothing to counter my bottom line summary or any of the facts and analysis I presented. Nothing.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "What becomes clear is that many towns were actively cleansed. Some were shelled for days to encourage the residents to flee."

            I heard those Israelis actually used live ammunition. Wow. They're such criminals. Imagine using ammunition against jihadis. Why that hurts their religious feelings and we all have been warned by our great American leader that the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Jews and Christians have been slandering the prophet of Islam for almost 14 centuries. Therefore any violence committed by jihadis is considered defensive by them. Lying is considered strategically critical and religiously required when it advances the Islamic supremacist agenda.

            The best defense you can come up with as an active jihadi is to claim you were duped.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The false "prophet" "mohammed" can continue to burn in Hell.

            How's that?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Your perception of the events has already been acknowledged by the Israeli govt as a lie."

            That is so vague as to be meaningless.

            The "American government acknowledges the supremacy of Islam." And then?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "The govt has admitted that for years it promoted a fantasy about Arabs running off at the orders of their masters."

            I personally own video of people who were among those who fled and they explain why. I also own video of a jihadi broadcaster who lied on behalf of Husayn al-Khalidi about Deir Yassin and why this led to the bulk of the flight you call "ethnic cleansing." You can find some of the video used in the PBS documentary: The 50 Years War: Israel and the Arabs, which is usually easy to find on youtube. It's contained in the first 10 to 20 minutes.

            This is the same event that Norm Fink says never happened. You're as much of a liar as Finklestein.

            You're paraphrasing remains useless.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Syrians are running away from the fighting in Syria now too.

            Running to Lebanon, Turkey, Jordan.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "The govt has admitted that for years it promoted a fantasy about Arabs running off at the orders of their masters. That there was nothing in Palestine before the Jews came along. "

            There was no legitimate sovereign or ANY effort to organize one. Further, they organized around lies to oppose any non-Muslim, non-sharia sovereign. Can people disagree over characterizations? Only when they want to distract from the salient history as you try so hard to do.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "That there were no real indigenous people who had lived there for a very long time in continuous, real societies."

            Nobody said that there were zero occupants. Nobody said that. Quote, don't paraphrase. There was no sovereign and no notion of forming one. Later they lied about it and continue to lie.

            "The real history shows an entirely different reality."

            As if you discuss "real history."

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You can post here all you want. I don't do this for you. I do it for the people who come here seeking truth and to understand the root cause of the problems we face. Last point. I think our support of Israel has cost us a great deal of moral authority in the world."

            Considering that you have zero credibility, I take this as the pompous summary of someone who knows he's lost the argument but can't admit it. If you really pursued the truth, you'd respond to the truthful counterpoints I make. Whenever I want to expand the context of your paraphrased lies, you run away and publish more talking points repeating the same ones endlessly. You don't actually reply to the legitimate refutations of your BS. Anyone who is interested in the truth can see that. You've actually helped sincere people discover the truth, but not directly as you want to imply. You've facilitated a discussion that helped reveal the extensive lies created by your jihadi-leftist allies.

            Thank you for that. It is only liars that threaten whatever moral authority we have. You're among them.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "What becomes clear is that many towns were actively cleansed."

            You seem to think this word; cleansed, is so powerful. Why don't you explain how this helps your cause. Do you even understand why he wrote what he did? He is trying to publish the complete set of knowable facts in order to use truth to build a bridge to peace. He was hopeful for some time but then he saw that Jihadis totally exploited his efforts. Did they open up any sources they control for him to examine? No. They quote him out of context and then insult him for the things he wrote in defense of Israeli action.

            That's just a tiny little serving of the treachery of the Islamic jihadis and the leftists.

            But moving on to the phrase "ethnic cleansing," what he's saying is that the effects were the same and regardless of who is at fault, surely the innocents who were swept up in that event are not helped by the fact that their own allies or families were at fault. In other words, some individuals suffered the same results as if ethnic cleansing had occurred.

            Significant populations lost their homes. That's what it means. These populations on the losing end tended to be kin of the jihadis. So the Arab Muslims start a war based on religious-racial hatred and commands to implement sharia law, which means no non-Muslims can ever become even so much as equal to Muslims (which is why the state must declare itself jewish as a legitimate response to the legacy of sharia law before we even consider the legacy of the Nazi holocaust).

            So yes, Morris is in favor of justice for innocent individuals who lost their homes. He's saying that to some people, regardless of culpability, their own experience was similar to what some others have experienced under ethnic cleansing. Your fixation on that phrase shows that you will punish an honest person in order to pursue your extreme agenda. You don't even care about the message because leftists just grab on to any superficial claim they can make as long as they can score points somehow. Ethnic cleansing is a phrase associated historically with some ugly aggression. In this case, the victims were victimized by their own ethnicity. Oops. That little fact undoes some of the crying people might do over your use of the phrase. We can't let that happen.

            Mr. Glenn. Mr. Integrity. You're the guy that gathers all the facts before rendering your opinions. Oh yes, we can see that.

            What we actually see is just another MES student who thinks he can mindlessly attack anyone who disagrees with Norm, Rashid, Ed and all the other lying losers who hate the West, Israel, or both.

            Look out for the quicksand. You might not come out of it alive. Your house is built on it unfortunately for you…and everyone that has to hear your nonsense. True facts don't shift around like that. They form a coherent narrative that gets more clear as more facts are revealed. Your narratives are not like that at all. That's what people mean by "cherry picking." I hate that phrase because it's not clear enough that your using limited quotes to deceive people.

            Everyone knows it. Not everyone has the time and kindness to patiently show you how empty your arguments are.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            "progressive" support of regressive islamofascists has cost the left the loss of its moral authority – as if it ever had any.

            What is "progressive" about supporting Islamofascists who stone women to death, execute gays, encourage children to aspire to die for some Islamofascist fantasy/

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Fascist Glennd1,

            It's a real "tragedy", an "nakba", that the Jews of Israel, just 3 years after the end of the WW2 and Holocaust, could not be decimated by 5 Islamofascist armies, none of which was the army of "palestine".

            Happy Eternal Nakba!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Fascist Glennd1,

            Syrians are running away to Lebanon and Jordan from the fighting in Syria.

            Does that sound like your "palestinians" running away from the fighting in 1948?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "My view is that the U.S. should simply step out of it. It's a fight between two groups of peoples over ancient land claims that are inextricably tied to religion. "

          1) The innocent party is an ally of the US. We get a lot of value directly from that relationship.

          2) The belligerent party is our most dangerous enemy around the globe.

          Your analysis is absurd. The USA has a critical interest in religious wars started and perpetuated by people who consider the USA the "Great Satan." These are people who hope and pray to do the same in the USA as they are in Israel and if they get their way, future dupes like you will argue about how the USA "ethnically cleansed" Muslims from all the "American colonies" all over the globe.

          They won't get their way. Neither will you.

          • Glennd1

            Giggling. You rant like a madman. They didn't start calling us the Great Satan until we backed Israel, overthrew the Iranian govt, armed Saddam against Iran, backed the Shah – I'm just citing a few of the many bad policies we've pursued in the region. You act as though its impossible that our own actions have nothing to do with our conflict with Islam. How stupid are you?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "They didn't start calling us the Great Satan until we backed Israel, overthrew the Iranian govt, armed Saddam against Iran, backed the Shah"

            You know "so much" about Islam that you think the Iranians invented this idea?

            Nobody doubts that you giggle constantly.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "…we backed Israel, overthrew the Iranian govt, armed Saddam against Iran, backed the Shah – I'm just citing a few of the many bad policies we've pursued in the region."

            Because the United States is a corrupt colonial empire. Remember? You're only just a little biased. You're only as biased as Howard Zinn, Norman Finklestein, Oliver Stone, etc. Add Karl Marx to the list.

            Giggle away.

            "You act as though its impossible that our own actions have nothing to do with our conflict with Islam."

            No, I don't. Our actions as non-Muslims who will never comply with sharia have much to do with the conflict. It is ideas that drive conflicts. You're ideology is informed by leftist and Islamic liars. My ideology calls for me to pursue and purge lies.

            Just by that standard you're on the side of the liars yet asking for others to care about "moral authority." And then you wonder about the intelligence of others…while admitting you're giggling at the time.

            You are amusing in a sad way.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Anyone who opposes Islamofascist hegemony is "satan" – a "kuffar"

            Guffaw!

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "But more than that is simply none of the U.S.'s business and given the crime against humanity that the Zionists committed in '48, we are under no moral obligation to support them."

          Given the fact that you try to sell your lies as "givens," nobody should accept anything you say. Your integrity rating is as low as it can get. You're simply seen as a complete dupe spreading lies without thinking critically about them because you were told that someone already did that critical thinking for you. In spite of what you think, that doesn't make you an excellent critical thinker. It makes you a fully indoctrinated leftist dupe.

  • Michael Copeland

    The Algemeiner reporter has a learning curve ahead. Islam itself is a “culture of racism and antisemitism”, which are hard-wired in the ideology, come straight from the Koran, and are not just tolerated but TAUGHT in the mosques, where non-muslims are NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER, remember. The much harder bullet to bite is to recognize that Sharia and Democracy are incompatible. They do not go together. Juxtaposition brings conflict.

  • WhateverMan

    I bet your comment won't be deleted by the administrator.
    Let me try a variation:
    Jews are savages. Jews should not be allowed to set in a civilized country, let alone be given citizenship in one…that's why they have been kicked out of every country they have been in in the last 2000 years.
    And ACTION!!!

    • Glennd1

      While I don't subscribe to either sentiment, thanks for making the obvious point. While it's true that Islam has been the cause of much savagery, and that Islamism and the rise in Salafism is a nasty development, it simply isn't true that all Muslims are savages. It's also true that Islam has been a major organizing force in the development of human civilization and simply cannot be dismissed as savagery if you are a serious student of history and the world at large.

      It's also bigoted and nasty. Ms. Geller publishes posters with this dreck and acts shocked when people call her a bigot for doing so. She then conflates the Palestinian-Israeli conflict with the terrorism of the Islamists and Salafists – as though Israel didn't ethnically cleanse 650,000 Arab Muslims from Palestine in '48 – you folks do realize that was and is the complaint, yes? And then you folks here expect sentient and reasonable people to just nod their heads in agreement? When Zionists behave this way, they play into the stereotypes that are perpetrated about them.

      Wake up. Stop tolerating hatred from all sides. Fyi, I don't think the U.S. should support the Palestinians. I just think the U.S. should let the Zionists and the Arabs fight it out in the desert and resolve the conflice once and for all. How it gets settled is of little interest to the U.S. Wake up – true patriots are anti-Islamist and anti-Zionist.

      • WhateverMan

        Awesome! I believes Salafism and Zionism need eachother to survive. The world has other problems to deal it. If they want to have a jedi battle in the middle of the desert, by my guest.

      • WhateverMan

        My reply to your post was deleted after about 15 minutes.
        I was saying that Salafism and Zionism needed eachother and should they wish to have at it in a desert jedi battle, they should go ahead.
        And of all the hatefull racist, bigoted posts, they deleted that one…

        • Drakken

          There ya go again, using the leftist default position of throwing out the race and bigot card when you get your panties in a bunch. Silly commi!

      • reader

        "as though Israel didn't ethnically cleanse 650,000 Arab Muslims from Palestine in '48 – you folks do realize that was and is the complaint, yes? "

        This complaint is completely phony. Israel was the victim of an all-out aggression from the surrounding arab states. There is no evidence that Israel conducted ethnic cleansing campaign against arab muslims – in fact more of them stayed. There is evidence that arab muslims conducted cleansing campaign against the Jews throughout the Middle East. The only difference is that Israel absorbed the refugees and arab states refused to return the favor. In addition to that, nowhere in history the aggressors, or even those who were associated with them loosely, were treated with the same aplomb. In fact, no Jew hater here ever shed a tear about millions of Germans, Finns or Japanese displaced at the end of WWII> And the Finns weren't even aggressors. They were the victims – just like the Jews are.

        • Glennd1

          Read Benny Morris's book 1948 and get back to me. You are repeating lies that Israeli govt and IDF officials have admitted were lies. Shlomo Ben Ami – foreign minister under Barak and university professor stated so directly recently. You should learn the facts and stop listening to the likes of Dershowitz. The Zionists hands are covered in blood and shame – '48. You do realize that no less a prominent Jew, Albert Einstein accused the radical Zionists committing these crimes in '48 of being "Nazis" – Albert Einstein's words, not mine. You do realize that the entire premise of Partition was based upon indigenous people's in the lands being unmolested, yes?

          The Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate and the U.N. partitioning resolution specifically stated that the Zionists were forbidden from forcing a single Arab Muslim living in Palestine. What's clear now is that the military campaign which cleared 400 towns, villages and cities of 650,000 Arab Muslims was no accident. It also exceeded the grant of land in the U.N. partition agreement. At the time, the U.S. was not supportive, and newly found Israel was socialist in many regards, so not "our greatest ally in the region" by a longshot. It was only later when Joan Peters published "From Time Immemorial" was the meme that the Jews were the victims was widely perpetuated.

          After the '67 war, the politics began to change too. But Israel's promoters in U.S. politics will not acknowledge that Israel was much more provocative than initially understood in the U.S. in that conflict. The entire dialog has deformed into the an artificial, fact free view of history on the right and in Zionist circles in the U.S. There is no disagreement among historians on the nature of the Zionist conquest of Palestine – it only exists in psuedo-intellectual hate-holes like this site. Sad, so sad.

          • reader

            Why should I worship Benny Morris and dismiss Dershovitz ? And what does Einstein have to do with history or international law? The notion is that Partition should have forced the Jews not to defend themselves is ludicrous. The arabs rejected the partition and waged the agressive war against the Jews. There is no evidence of any policy of expelling the arabs on Ben Gurion's part, and there is ample evidence that the arabs conducted systematic genocide against the Jews. IT IS THE JEWS. If you were genuine, you'd be beating about the bushes about the arabs slaughtered by the Hashemites and the Germans expelled from Sudeten land in th emillions. But you are not genuine. You are a Jew hater.

          • Glennd1

            One reason is that Dershowitz is not a historian. Another is that his historical accounts of the time are laughably wrong. None of his work makes it into any scholarly circles, while Morris is respected as an honest historian. As for you statements about Ben Gurion, sigh, the same old lies over and over again, it gets boring. Read Begins' memoir and go to the section where he talks about the Lydda Death March and how Ben Gurion approved the cleansing of 50,000 from Lydda with the nod of a head, along with Moishe Dyan.

            And then you call me a Jew hater for no reason, which only shows what a thug you are. or did you miss that? You see, you are acting like a leftist, accusing someone who disagrees with you based on facts of being a bigot because you don't like what they are saying. What does that make you?

          • reader

            "Read Begins' memoir and go to the section where he talks about the Lydda Death March and how Ben Gurion approved the cleansing of 50,000 from Lydda with the nod of a head, along with Moishe Dyan."

            So, this is your basis for claiming that the Jews had a premeditated policy aiming at expelling 650 thousand arabs from "Palestine"? I think not. And another thing: I've noticed your abhorrent trickery with causality. You claiming that the arabs cleansed almost a million Jews as a response to the war. But the arabs started this war. The arabs refused to accept the partition. The arabs made it explicit that they aimed at cleansing the Jews. All of this has somehow got cherry-picked out of your logical construct – as well as your application of the "international law". There could be only one explanation to this: you hate the Jews. I would believe otherwise only when you start an all-out internet campaign demanding that the Finns get Vyborg and Petrozavodsk back from Russia. Take a stand. Show how tough you are in your pursuit of justice. Any woos can join Jew bashing mob nowadays – and you're one of them.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Lydda Death March"

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exo

            The 1948 Palestinian exodus from Lydda and Ramle was the expulsion of 50,000–70,000 Palestinian Arabs when Israeli troops captured the towns in July that year. The military action occurred within the context of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The towns, which were predominately Arab areas in Palestine at the time, and which the UN partition resolution had designated to be in the Arab nation, became predominantly Jewish areas in the new State of Israel, known as Lod and Ramla.[1]

            The decision of the Arab governments to renew the fighting and ignore the UN call for a truce prompted Israel to try to improve its control over the Jerusalem road and its coastal route which were under pressure from the Jordanian Arab Legion, Egyptian and Palestinian forces. From the Israeli perspective, the conquest of the towns averted an Arab threat to Tel Aviv, thwarted an Arab Legion advance by clogging the roads with refugees, and helped demoralize nearby Arab cities.[2]

            Ramle surrendered immediately, but the conquest of Lydda took longer and led to an unknown number of deaths; Israeli historian Benny Morris suggests up to 450 Arabs and 9–10 Israeli soldiers died.[3] Once the Israelis were in control of the towns, an expulsion order signed by Yitzhak Rabin was issued to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) stating, "1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to age.…",[4] Ramle's residents were bussed out, while the people of Lydda were forced to walk miles during a summer heat wave to the Arab front lines, where the Arab Legion, Transjordan's British-led army, tried to provide shelter and supplies.[5] Quite a few of the refugees died from exhaustion and dehydration. Estimates ranged from a handful to a figure of 350 based on hearsay reason why the events are also referred as the Lydda death march.[6]

            [6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exo

            Glenn is big on hearsay, especially Islamic hearsay.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You see, you are acting like a leftist, accusing someone who disagrees with you based on facts…"

            Um no. The contention is purely over lies you present as facts.

            "What does that make you?"

            That makes him frustrated no doubt, and it still makes you the leftist.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Why should I worship Benny Morris and dismiss Dershovitz ?"

            Morris is not bad but is great for mining out of context quotes if you're an enemy of Israel. Don't believe anything you've read about Morris' positions until you've read what he wrote in context. Find the book (being quoted) and read at least the entire chapter.

            Most of these people claim to read Morris and haven't, or are so deluded by the time they have that all they understand is just enough to confirm their pre-existing dogmas.

            What is "ethnic cleansing" anyway? The result was that some Arab Muslims who collaborated on the basis of ethnicity and religion attacked a legitimate sovereign. They lost. In effect, you could say a degree of ethnic cleansing was the result. Who was culpable for that? Israel, just because they won? No. The belligerents are culpable. The belligerents lost and use lies and out-of-context quotes to deceive to try to win politically what their lying ancestors lost through their own belligerence.

            Morris never argued that Israel was unjust, but then they use that to attack him as cruel. I've been through this argument more than once. So he's a witness for their side because he conceded that the "ethnic cleansing" claim was only a partial lie, but then they attack him for not helping them make their lies more robust.

            The Arab Muslims got themselves booted and there were ethnic patterns to this loss based on the way the belligerents organized themselves.

            Again, whose fault is that?

          • Drakken

            Glen your nothing but an arabist appologist, you openly side with our enemies which says a lot about you. Let me make this really simple for you, the muslims no matter what the jews do, will never ever give the jews peace period! the only peace the savages will give the jews and then us, is the peace of the grave.The effing sand apes lost every war they started, to the victors go the spoils. Perhaps you would feel more comfortable rubbing elbows with your jihadist friends than us westerners.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Read Benny Morris's book 1948 and get back to me."

            Sure, quote him out of context. What is the universal definition of "ethnic cleansing?" Morris argued for compassion for those authentic victims of war. He's not making any direct points about the moral position of Israel when using that phrase. He's granting that some of the individuals on the Palestinian side have legitimate complaints as individuals.

            Nobody denies that. You jihad-lovers / Jew haters / knee-jerk leftist dupes can't understand nuanced points and can't understand the differences between Israel Jews who will concede to any fact and their enemies who lie in obedience to their religion. These lies at a fundamental level corrupt the entire ideology, which by the way includes coercive totalitarian obedience.

            Don't let any of the facts interfere with your out-of-context emotional appeals.

            It's also clear you read Morris through the lens of Norman Finklestein. Why not quote him directly?

      • Glennd1

        "Actually, truth be told" – do you hear yourself? Will others please join me in dismissing this kind of hateful, thuggish bigotry? Is this what's really going on here? Are you folks really all just the racists that your enemies accuse you of? There is no room for this kind of commentary in civilized company.

        • Drakken

          The problem is Glen, the muslim savages are not civilized, but your one of those useful idiots of the left who believes that all cultures and religions are equal when they clearly are not. Keep throwing out the race card there, it makes you look so much more intillectual than the rest of us.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "The problem is Glen, the muslim savages are not civilized, but your one of those useful idiots of the left who believes that all cultures and religions are equal when they clearly are not."

            His arguments depend on moral equivalence but then elsewhere he denounces Islam in order to show some sense of discernment I assume. I guess he doesn't even understand the implications his own ideology. But he studied under Rashid Khalidi so he's an expert. Rashid would NEVER lie about ANYTHING. He promised me.

            Just because the Jews established a legitimate sovereign nation doesn't give them a right to defend against Jihadis. That's Glenn's bottom line argument. Therefore everything they've done makes the illegitimate. As if throwing out sovereign nations only requires stupid fictional arguments to do so.

          • Drakken

            OFM, Glens use of moral equivalence really is astounding on so many levels, and he also blames the west for muslim agression, I really wonder when reality slaps him in the face is his little worldview going to change or live on his knees?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Glens use of moral equivalence really is astounding on so many levels,"

            He gets lost in his own rhetoric. Literally. It's like a maze where he can keep track of incremental relationships but can't really see the big picture. That's what happens when you try to use incoherent lies to stake out positions of such importance. Eventually people that do know the coherent narratives about fact-based history will catch it.

            And with his leftist indoctrination, moral equivalence is as natural as breathing. If you really catch him out, his gut reaction will be something like "it's only common sense" that all cultures are equal. He's a classic MES student dupe.

            Check this out if you want to understand how guys like him are indoctrinated.

            scholar.harvard.edu/martinkramer/files/IvoryTowers.pdf

            Basically the Saudis and Ed Said. The leftists carry the ball the rest of the way.

          • Drakken

            Very interesting read that you let me puruse through, that Saudi oil money sure does buy lots of useful idiot influence doesn't it?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "that Saudi oil money sure does buy lots of useful idiot influence doesn't it?"

            It's probably the number one underlying problem that needs to be addressed here in the USA. At the very least we need to expose the great extent of corruption it leads to. That is why 0'Bama's energy policies combined with foreign policy idiocy make us more vulnerable than ever.

          • Glennd1

            You try so hard to come across as an intellectual, but the content of what you say is irrational drivel. Just take the 'critique' offered above. You claim that I base my arguments on some kind of moral equivalence when in fact I've never done that once here or elsewhere. I think that Islamism is a very serious problem. I think the Arab Muslims living in Palestine who were run off by the Zionists deserve their home and lands back, or at least just compensation.

            I cite the facts as I see them, and the sources of those facts. No equivalence at play whatsoever – you just say stuff like that because you think it makes you sound smart or something, not based on actually understanding my arguments. Then you also go on to state that I only offer my opposition to Islamism as some kind of feint to hide my real anti-semitic agenda. But here's the thing. You have no evidence to make that claim. I never say anything anti-semitic, ever, because I'm not. There isn't a single comment you can show to support that. And here I'm discussing Zionism, not Islamism. I read what FP has to say because there is some good reporting here that I can't get elsewhere. But it's also so pro-Zionist that it's hard to take.

            I actually don't disagree with much of the views here about the nature of political Islam. But I do disagree with the scope of the threat. I also have read a good deal about the history of the mideast and Islam, and the characterizations of it here are very reductionist, and ultimately ahistorical. That's what I think. Why do you have to question my motives or what I really believe? I have no other agenda. I'm just trying to have a fact based conversation with people about Zionism and its sins.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You try so hard to come across as an intellectual, but the content of what you say is irrational drivel. Just take the 'critique' offered above. You claim that I base my arguments on some kind of moral equivalence when in fact I've never done that once here or elsewhere"

            Anyone needs moral equivalence theories to tie your logic together. He was actually giving you more credit than I do, sensing there was some logic to your attacks on victims of Jihad. Certainly your indoctrinators use moral equivalence to develop their immoral theories. I'll grant you that your moral equivalence is not explicit. That doesn't negate what he said though.

            "I think that Islamism is a very serious problem."

            Fine. But Jews are not allowed to defend themselves against sharia law? Why is it serious for some, but Jews must submit to it? Your logic is incomplete without moral equivalence / moral relativism arguments.

            "I think the Arab Muslims living in Palestine who were run off by the Zionists deserve their home and lands back, or at least just compensation."

            They are entitled to just compensation. Nobody denies that. The problem starts when the jihadis start lying, which is very soon after their lips begin to move. That is what impedes justice. And many individuals have received more than just compensation already. Jihadis impede justice. Why do you have such a hard time understanding that?

            You simply don't know what you're talking about. You've got the jihadi-leftist narratives memorized well enough to get a C from Rashid Khalidi, but no rational thinking person would brag about that.

            Did you know there are Arab Muslim citizens of Israel? Some kind of lame ethnic cleansing huh?

          • Glennd1

            Do you realize how many comments you made to me in the past 24 hours? You come across as some kind of psycho. You seem to believe that saying "no you're wrong" is an effective argument somehow, when I'm basing my comments on what folks like Morris and Shlomo Ben Ami are saying publicly. Shlomo Ben Ami is the former Israeli Foreign Minister under Ehud Barak. Go argue with him – not me. Or don't, but don't for a second think you know much about the actual events that transpired from '47-'49.

            And get some help, you are clearly suffering from some kind of mental/emotional pathological episode that could be serious. Maybe you should just turn of your computer for a while.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Fascist Glennd1,

            Take your own words to heart.

            You are no slouch posting your pro-islamofascist screeds.

            But knock yourself out "comrade".

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Do you realize how many comments you made to me in the past 24 hours? You come across as some kind of psycho. You seem to believe that saying "no you're wrong" is an effective argument somehow, "

            That's how you quote me? Now do you see why we reject every position you take? We already know you're wrong and you can't even so much as learn how to quote anyone correctly…ever.

            Maybe people like you drive people like me "psycho" in Doublespeak terms. If that's you you want to get along, that's your business. I'll "go psycho" on leftist liars as I see fit.

            "Shlomo Ben Ami is the former Israeli Foreign Minister under Ehud Barak."

            Wow, now that is a great point. What to we do about the fact that you can mention leftist appeasers? What comes next?

            "Go argue with him – not me. Or don't, but don't for a second think you know much about the actual events that transpired from '47-'49."

            You're making an appeal to authority without even quoting him at all. OK, I guess that's better than lying.

            "And get some help, you are clearly suffering from some kind of mental/emotional pathological episode that could be serious. Maybe you should just turn of your computer for a while."

            Thanks glenn. Good thing you showed up as the "voice of reason" to teach us all about leftist talking points derived from Islamic lies and deceptions.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Fascist Glennd1 said:

            " I'm just trying to have a fact based conversation with people about Zionism and its sins. "

            If the "sin" of Zionism is not submitting to Islamofascism, MORE POWER TO ZION.

            You conveniently left out judging the sins of Islamism, Wahabbism, Salfisim, Paleswinianism, Al Qada, Jihadism, Muslim Brotherhood, Islamofascist regimes of iran and pakistan.

            Why is that socialist jihadi?

      • LibertarianToo

        Israel did not "ethnically cleanse" 650,000 Arab Muslims from Palestine in 1948. How gullible can you be?

        I am a "serious student of history" -and also a woman. I therefore have concluded that Islam has contributed nothing to the "development of human civilization" that can justify it's subjection of the overwhelming majority of humans to the dictates of a murderous, imperialistic ideology. Besides their pathological hatred of Jews, they hate and oppress Women (50% of human pop.), Gays (10% of human pop.), sub-saharan Africans whom they also enslave, and every individual in every country and of every other belief system (a whole bunch more of the human pop.) They are also advocates of pederasty.And believe anyone who tries to leave their religion should be murdered. The list goes on.

        All the pretty calligraphy in the world cannot counter the predations of this hateful totalitarian system.

        • Glennd1

          You do realize what you just said would get you laughed out of any history dept that studies the mideast and Islam, yes? That Israeli, Jewish and Zionist historians such as Benny Morris would dismiss you as an ignorant bigot, yes? You may persist, but you cannot say that you don't know now. How sad… Please do the civilized world you claim to want to defend a favor and don't ever vote or reproduce again, okay? Thanks.

          • reader

            Actually, you are an ignorant bigot dissmissing or whitewashing the contents of Koran, for one thing.

          • Glennd1

            But of course none of that is true. I'm actually more opposed to Islamism than I am Zionism. For example, I would be very supportive if the U.S. govt wished to extend refugee status to Jews globally for say 5 years. Any Jew who doesn't feel safe can have a safe haven here, now. I would not welcome Muslims here in the same open way as I think Islamism is a problem. I also think that Jews who come here should give up Zionism in the same way, fyi.

            I've not apologized for a thing the Islamists have done or would like to do. But I think that you have to look at all the events that occurred. You have to look at the complete history to understand what's going on in the mideast now. To pretend that it's just wilding Jihadis, stirring up a ruckus and the the Zionists and the West are just innocent bystanders being attacked for no reasons is ludicrous – and that's how you come across. Take the "Benny Morris Challenge" – just go read 1948 and tell me the Zionists did not conquer Palestine and expel 650,000 Arab Muslims from their homes. I dare you.

          • reader

            Why should I worship Benny Morris? The Zionists conqured Palestine? Did you ever hear about the Partition? That's long after the British running the Mandate broke every promise to the Jews and gave 80% of the Mandate to the Palestinian arabs – this "Palestinian" state is called Jordan. Where are the Jewish homes in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq and Jordan now? I have the proof right here and now: the only reason you're talking about arab refugees is that you refuse the Jews to have there one and only state among 20 or so arab states. This is Jew hating. Never a peep about millions of refugees all over Eurasia displaced about the same time at the end of WWII. Nobody gives a rat's ass, because it has nothing to do with the Jews.

          • stern

            And after reading Benny Morris, be sure to read Efraim Karsh, who effectively and conclusively trashes just about every one of Benny Morris's conclusions, demonstrating clearly where Morris has been highly selective in his readings and where he has misquoted or only used partial quotes to make his points. Then read the later Benny Morris works, where even Morris disagrees with what he wrote in his earlier books.

            Then come back here and tell us whether you still believe the absolute garbage about how the Jews "expelled" 650,000 Arabs. It was never true and no amount of revising history by you, Benny Morris, or anyone else can ever make it true.

          • Glennd1

            Okay, so at least we are beyond name calling. Karsh is an ideologue and propagandist while Morris is a real historian calling balls and strikes as he sees them. Ilan Pappe is about the same as Karsh in terms of being mostly political while twisting history, only he does that for Palestinians.

            I'll let Morris respond in his own words. http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/my_respons

            Fair-minded people can make their own minds up. Where I differ from Morris in his preposterous assertion that the somehow the Zionists are not morally culpable for he expulsion of the Arab-Muslims living in Palestine. He assumes a priori the primacy of the Jewish land claim, which to me is a surpremacist idea. You may think with all your heart that Jews "deserve" Palestine, but no other people have had a state created for them where there had been none for 2000 years and got a pass for just expelling 650,000 people who already lived there, in the 20th century. No other group is being granted the "right to exist" – that is a uniquely Zionist construct.

            So, now you have my basis for disagreeing. I don't support Islamism, I don't hate Jews (actually a bit of a Jew lover if you count up the friends and girlfriends over the years). I don't think we should support the Palestinians. I just think that once the Zionists ran of those people. they lost all right to my moral support. Does that make me crazy or bigoted? If you folks here disagree with me, let's do it the way Stern did.

          • stern

            You claim Karsh is an "ideologue", but ignore his very clear refutations of Morris's nonsense. Here's just one example:
            http://www.meforum.org/466/benny-morris-and-the-r

            Unfortunately, you appear to be relying solely on Morris for your facts and for your arguments against Karsh. Not a good idea. Read them both and pay very careful attention to Karsh's footnotes. He backs up every claim he makes with facts that are clearly referenced.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "No other group is being granted the "right to exist" – that is a uniquely Zionist construct."

            You can't forgive them in spite of what Hitler did. They're not "excluding" anyone from "existing" but laying the groundwork for defending against future holocausts. I'd say they're entitled to that. Why would you have a problem with that? What if the French declared that the French have a right to exist in their own nation? How offensive! Not really. The Jews are far more justified in doing so in Israel where they are constantly threatened and constantly reminded that people can be rallied with lies to kill and maim Jews. You actually help incite violence against the Jews.

            You must be proud to study under the likes of Rashid Khalidi or some other jihadi professors. Congratulations on selling out to the enemies of the West.

            A question for you: Is it acceptable according to Judaism or Christianity to lie? How about under Islamic law?

            So we are supposed to take jihadis at their word, even though the hard evidence already shows how many lies have twisted their claims beyond any credibility? You do.

          • Glennd1

            You "say they're entitled to that" – really? So what about the rights of the people who happened to already be living there?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You "say they're entitled to that" – really?"

            Just read what I wrote again if you're confused. I'm not going to play your "paraphrase and then plant words" game right now.

            "So what about the rights of the people who happened to already be living there?"

            Everyone has the equal rights. Jews are not responsible for violating your imagination. You and your partners will just have to deal with your own delusions without violating the rights of others. The fact that you try to cloak belligerence by referring to supposed denied rights of jihadis just shows the extent of your delusional lies.

            There is no "right to jihad" in the West and we plan to keep it that way. Ideally we also punish criminals and defeat enemy militants. Amazing stuff, huh?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The same rights of the 800,000 Jews expelled from Arab lands.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I've not apologized for a thing the Islamists have done or would like to do. But I think that you have to look at all the events that occurred. "

            You're a dupe defending their lies. If you do this unknowingly it makes little difference in the end.

            "Take the "Benny Morris Challenge" – just go read 1948 and tell me the Zionists did not conquer Palestine and expel 650,000 Arab Muslims from their homes. I dare you."

            Of course they did. They expelled belligerents. Some innocents always suffer with the guilty especially in cultures where it's considered ethical for militants to shield themselves behind those innocents. Just like any other just nation, Israel excepts fact-based claims in pursuit of justice. Jihadis and innocent non-Israelis win court cases all the time…based on facts and evidence.

            The blame lies 100% with the jihadis. It does you know good to say that you also recognize the jihadis are even worse. You're admitting that there might be legitimate reasons for use of force. If the Israelis used "ethnic cleansing" on innocent Palestinians, what could be worse than that? Maybe whatever was worse was the actual reason for this "ethnic cleansing."

            Your own logic falls apart.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You do realize what you just said would get you laughed out of any history dept that studies the mideast and Islam, yes?"

            That's an honor.

            No wonder you come up with such BS. Middle Eastern studies? How about a study of who funds Middle Eastern Studies in US colleges? Start with that clue.

            Then we can move on to the likes of the best funded propagator of "Islamic studies" in the USA. So who pays for all of that? And I don't mean the USA with it's gas purchases. I mean that of course the Saudis pay for virtually all of it.

            What a dupe.

            "That Israeli, Jewish and Zionist historians such as Benny Morris would dismiss you as an ignorant bigot, yes?"

            False.

            "You may persist, but you cannot say that you don't know now."

            Oh my. So how about you show us your college credits in Middle Eastern Studies so we can get a big laugh.

            "How sad… Please do the civilized world you claim to want to defend a favor and don't ever vote or reproduce again, okay?"

            You and those in the "Islamic civilization" can laugh all you want. When we speak of civilization in the West, we're talking about Western civilization and values consistent with Western civilization. That excludes those you defend and the lies you try to propagate.

      • LibertarianToo

        And for you to contend that murdering Jewish children in Toulouse has something to do with some lying nonsense about "ethnic cleansing" in Palestine is simply mind-boggling.

        You should check out Salman Rushdie's recent memoir about what his life became under the Fatwa. And he had it easy compared to anyone they actually get their hands on.

        Question: Do you accept that women suspected of infidelity should be buried up to their waists and then stoned to death? That those suspected of homosexuality should be hanged?

        You also, incidentally, slander Pamela Geller. Her ads specifically target the perpetrators and supporters of Jihad as "savages". Even CAIR knows that -which is why they have begun their own public transit campaign trying to counter it, with posters portraying smiling Muslims telling us about "My (their) Jihad": "Planting Pussy Willows", "Being the Best I Can Be", etc, etc, ad nauseum.

        It's time you had a dark night of the soul, my friend.

        • Glennd1

          I said nothing of the sort. You are a kook and a dimwit, please just go away and spray your idiocy at someone too stupid to realize how irrational you are.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I said nothing of the sort. You are a kook and a dimwit, please just go away and spray your idiocy at someone too stupid to realize how irrational you are."

            The point is that you defend known liars who we know use those lies to stir up mayhem and war. No, they aren't just "wilding," it's called "Jihad." That means it's driven by a coherent ideology. Coherent within the limits of their own world-view, which is based on lies about history. It's much worse than "wilding."

          • Drakken

            Ohhh did you get your little precious feelings hurt? You certainly are long on mouth but short on facts.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Ohhh did you get your little precious feelings hurt?"

            Um, yes he did. He's still pouting too.

      • Drakken

        Please by all means tell us how islam has advanced the human condition? It has wrought more destruction and has keep the muslim world in the 8th century since islam was invented by an evil false prophet, your grasp of history is absolutely wrong on so many accounts it boggles the mind on the shear stupidity of what spews out of that intellectual vapid empty head of yours indoctrinated by leftist group think. Let me help your leftist dumbazz out, islam is a scourge and a bligh upon humanity period, and the sooner we rid ourselves of its influences the better.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Please by all means tell us how islam has advanced the human condition?"

          Glenn is still busy listening to those crickets of his.

      • DilloTank

        The finer points of Muslim culture are lost on me. The Koran tells Muslims to kill Jews and infidels. That all I need to know. Of course not all Muslims have even read the Koran. And when many Muslims read the Koran for the first time, they cease to be Muslims.

        Islam is barbaric.

    • Glennd1

      Are you guys here really going to let him comment like this?

      • Glennd1

        Thanks for removing Kafir4life's hateful bigotry. Now just do something about Pam Geller and we'll be all set.

        • Drakken

          Since when is telling the truth about islamic savages and their open Quisling sympathizers a hate crime? Again you throw out that race and bigot card like so much confetti, hint Sparky, it has ZERO meaning since you leftist/commis have abused the words until they have no impact anymore, but thanks for playing.

          • Glennd1

            If you call all Muslims "savages", you are de facto a bigot. Period. Dot. End of sentence. That you and others here can't see that is a testimony to your blindness, nothing more.

          • reader

            You're giving yourself up too easy. You see, "islamic savages" and "muslim savages" is not the same. This is a very good testimony to your genuineness. Which is null. You're trolling.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You're giving yourself up too easy. You see, "islamic savages" and "muslim savages" is not the same."

            I could have guessed. Thanks for noting that. I missed the original quote and glenn can't seem to quote anything accurately.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "If you call all Muslims "savages", you are de facto a bigot. "

            I didn't get to read it, but I sure don't trust you to quote other people accurately.

            Maybe you should engage in conversations and challenge people to explain why they'd say that. You're the outsider. You inject yourself in to conversations and cry foul with your rules. We know what he's talking about and if you don't, that's your problem.

            Anyone here who says "all Muslims are savages" is saying that all Jihadis are savages, and that all "Muslims" who are not Jihadis are not fundamentally pious Muslims.

            Do you feel better now? Somehow I doubt there's much tolerance for dissent in your hypocritical leftist head.

            What do you think about Jihadis who follow Mohammed religiously? By some definitions, those are the only true Muslims. For or against allowing them to be called savages?

            "That you and others here can't see that is a testimony to your blindness, nothing more."

            Only hyperactive thought police wannabes react like you do. For crying out loud, we're commenting on an article that discusses Jihad. It's clear enough to me he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Your attitude just shows you're a pompous lunatic that can't even communicate productively with people who aren't feeding you dogmas you're already conditioned to lap up.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You don't think the Muslims who hijacked 4 passenger planes on 9/11 were savages?

            To you were they heroes?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Pamela Geller bothers you but not

          - al qada
          - muslim brotherhood
          - hamass
          - hezbullah
          - boko haram
          - salafists
          - wahabiis
          - islamist regimes like pakistan or iran

          You have the moral compass of a national Socialist

    • Choi

      Well,
      #1:as you see,FPM believes in FREEDOM of SPEECH and your LYING JEW-HATING post is still there.

      #2:You TOO are a SAVAGE, since you obviously have been coming to this site as a CYBER-TROLL for THE SAVAGES.

      #3The frequency of your posts indicates that you're one of FOUR things:
      A) A JIHADI YOURSELF
      B) A PAID CYBER-TROLL
      C)An OBSESSED JEW-HATER
      D)ALL OF THE ABOVE

      • Drakken

        I prefer to let the muslim oppologists and open sympathizers of anti-civilization run their sucks for all to see, so that there is no mistake as to where they stand.

      • Glennd1

        Another fool. See my response above laying out what I believe and why I'm here. I'm quite clear about what I believe and provide sources to back me up. There is no "Jew hating" going on whatsoever. Your paranoid ranting about what I believe or who I am is drivel.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "See my response above laying out what I believe and why I'm here"

          The problem is that you don't adjust your beliefs in the light of evidence. You're a broken record because you think your leftist-jihadi rap is so appealing. That is a good indication of a delusional mind.

          "I'm quite clear about what I believe and provide sources to back me up."

          And you ignore when your claims are refuted. Phrases like "ethnic cleansing" and other appeals to emotion don't impress that many people unless they already drank the same tainted Kool Aid as you seem to drink hourly.

          "There is no "Jew hating" going on whatsoever."

          That calls for judgment and your judgment is not respected, especially when your defending your own interests. It could be that you are blind to your own hatreds. Most people are. Especially leftists. They're programmed to think it's "legitimate outrage against and unjust situation" (anything but admitting it's hate because that's a shame word for them and they need to feel they own its use).

          "Your paranoid ranting about what I believe or who I am is drivel."

          That's a very rude response to someone who's just trying to hold a mirror up for you to see. Maybe you need to go think about why you can't make any progress here.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Fascist Glennd1,

          OOPS!

          Anyone who doesn't goosestep in solidarity with you is a "fool".

          I see you've run out of steam.

  • WhateverMan

    The "article" is badly written.
    It starts with an ominous headline: "Jews Under Muslim Attack in Europe". later in the article, we find out that "The report, however, never gets around to saying what French population group, if any, tends to be responsible for the attacks on Jews."
    it mentions Mohamed Merah and the fact that he killed jews, the ultimate crime. But casually mentions in passing that french 3 off duty soldiers were killed. Why?
    What the author doesn't want you to know is that 2 of these soldiers were MUSLIMS! That would go counter to the religious and race-baiting policy of frontpagemag.

    The other thing that the article doesn't want to mention is that Merah had visited Israel previouslu. The question is why was Mohamed Merah allowed to visit Israel 2010 despite being on a watchlist. He was killed before he could answer serious questions.

    Finally, the article speaks of antisemitic attacks but doesn;t explain what they are. In israel, Palestinian are experiencing violent anti-gentile attacks on a daily basis but one would think jews in France have it worse.Talk about whinning…

    • Michael Copeland

      The muslim soldiers were selected because their serving in an infidel army made them unfaithful to Islam: they were, in strict Islamic doctrine, apostates, who had left Islam. Therefore (Manual of Islamic Law o8.1) they “deserve to be killed”. The non-muslim soldier was an infidel: Koran 9:5 instructs “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them”. That includes Jews. All those killings were orthodox Islamic Jihad, authorised and commanded by Islam’s own texts. Mohamed Merah was no lone-wolf nutter doing killing for killing’s sake..

    • stern

      Michael Copeland has answered the first part of your post. I will answer the last.

      Your final paragraph is complete and utter garbage. Firstly, the Arabs in Israel are israeli, not "Palestinian". And far from being attacked, they are given more rights than Arabs enjoy anywhere else in the Middle East. They live wherever they want, work in any profession they want, serve in the Knesset the Cabinet and the Judiciary and have full access to free health care, just like any other citizen of Israel.

      Compare this to how "Palestinians" are treated in Lebanon. They are confined to camps, not allowed to work as teachers, lawyers, doctors, police officers or in a wide range of other professions, not allowed to vote, not allowed to become citizens.

      Heck, even the "Palestinians" who are governed by the Palestinian Authority don't have as many rights as Israeli Arabs. When was the last time they were allowed to vote for their leaders? Hint: elections are way overdue!

      You just can't see past your Jew-hatred. You cannot even bring yourself to type "Jew" with a capital J. You are not worthy of the description "human being".

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        And mamood abbas is in the 6th year of his 4 year term.

        5,000 year old Egypt is only now tepidly experimenting with Democracy.

    • Mary Sue

      are you really this clueless? Have you not been informed of all the crackpot Imams that pray specifically in their mosques to Allah to destroy the Jews? Why is it mostly Muslims attacking the Jews these days? Hmm?

      Of course two of the soldiers killed were Muslims. Do you know how EASY it is for a Muslim to call another Muslim an APOSTATE?! They deemed the two Muslim soldiers as apostates for serving in the French army against the goals of Jihad.

      Terrorists tend to get attacked, this is true. After all if a bunch of arabs started suicide bombing all your local pizza shops, what would you do, stand idly by and take it up the tuchus?

      • Drakken

        Shhhhhh Mary Sue your going to give that poor dumb ba**ard a severe case of the vapors, and then the dolt is going to need hours of self esteem therapy.

        • Mary Sue

          I know right!

    • Lan Astaslem

      why don't you take your sorry ass out of momma's basement and spend a few days in the cesspool of gaza – but you 'd better not be gay. They might hang you for it. Put that in your bong and smoke it!

      • jacob

        MORON :
        Cesspool of Gaza ??????
        What kind of pot are on so I may get some for me as well ?????
        Have you seen the mansions, buildings, shopping centers, cars, etc, there are in the GAZA you
        call a cesspool….?????
        I wonder how many millions would have been delighted to live in such a "CESSPOOL"
        The trouble is you are one kf the millions willing to swallow line, hook and sinker, all of the Arab
        propaganda and don't bother to check and though, open your traps….

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          jacob, Len Astasalem was being factious.

          Len is one of the good guys.

        • Brigitte

          Lan obviously meant the ideological cesspool of Gaza. He spoke metaphorically, which maybe hard for somebody like you to grasp. Why don't you think and try to understand before jumping to conclusions and calling a person moron, just so you can show how smart you are. It has the opposite effect of putting you level of intelligence in question.

    • JacksonPearson

      Why didn't you write the article? Oh forgot, you just whine, piss and moan!

    • jacob

      Genius :
      Allow me to point out to you, that if what you are stating about attacks from Israelis on Arabs
      would be true as you want us to believe, the hell being raised by the Israeli leftist media
      would have been picked up by the international news and broadcast all over the world…..

  • ze-ev ben jehudah

    I'm an old Jew. I have seen a lot of hatred towards Jewish people, wich ended in w.w.2
    in mass kilings and today it starts all over again.All racists, world wide, are working
    together it seems,to finish what a German dictator had in mind for us.
    Again Jews will be slaughterd an mass,and afterwards,just like after the war they will
    cry;this should never have had happened, but in the mean time it did.
    Do they honestly think that after the last Jew on earth is murdered there will be an ever
    lasting peace in the world.??

    • Glennd1

      Where do you see this in the U.S.?

      • stern

        Clearly, you missed the reports in the last few days about Muslims plotting to blow up synagogues.

        • Glennd1

          Uhh, I wasn't asking you. And does that an epidemic make? The last time I looked, anti-semitic attacks were level, not going up or down and really, pretty rare. I was asking the gentlemen about what he saw in this country, cuz last time I checked, we weren't the government of the planet earth, but only a samll chunk of it.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Ignornat Glennd1,

            Anti-semitism is on the rise in Eurabia, primarily perpetrated by followers of the religion of peace.

            When was the last time a Muslim was kidnapped by Euros and tortured to death as Ilan Halami was by Islamofascists?

            When was the last time Muslim children were shot to death in Eurabia as the Jewish school children were in Tolouse France?

          • stern

            You weren't asking me? Gee, since when were you the moderator here, deciding who may post?

            You are losing the plot, mate.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "You weren't asking me? Gee, since when were you the moderator here, deciding who may post?"

            Leftist delusion. It's astounding the things it inspires people like Glenn to say.

          • Hawk

            Glenn go read the statistics about anti semitism in France is over 50% higher this year over last year.

          • Glennd1

            France isn't the U.S. – you do know that, yes?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "France isn't the U.S. – you do know that, yes?"

            How can you be so proud to misunderstand every statement you read? France is used as an illustration, you do know that, yes? The USA is very near to France culturally. It may not address the explicit question limited to "in the USA" but it's a significant indicator especially when it is consistent with the facts in the USA.

            You're not the moderator, for very good reasons.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "Where do you see this in the U.S.?"

        You and your allies.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          CAIR, MSA, "radical" mosques and madrassas which spur their mindless drones to kill in Fort Hood, park an bomb laden SUV in Times Square, kill as the since executed Beltway Sniper did, plot to blow up bridges and tunnels in NYC, Brooklyn Bridge massacre, 1993 truck bombing of the WTC.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "CAIR, MSA, "radical" mosques and madrassas which spur their mindless drones to kill in Fort Hood, park an bomb laden SUV in Times Square, kill as the since executed Beltway Sniper did, plot to blow up bridges and tunnels in NYC, Brooklyn Bridge massacre, 1993 truck bombing of the WTC."

            Ah gee, that? Seems like workplace violence, or probably disgruntled Christians causing problems like always.

    • Glennd1

      'Cuz last time I checked, the only job of the U.S. govt it to protect equality in our nation, not the world at large. Just sayin'…

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        The UN is doing such a great job protecting equality in the world.

        Look at Rwanda, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Islamofascist regime of Iran and Pakistan.

        • Glennd1

          Are you high? Are you actually suggesting that since the U.N. can't run the world, we should try? Really?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The Islamist hijacked UN should send non-American troops to Syria to end the fighting, or die trying.

          • Steve

            Glenn since the UN has not protected the world who would you suggest the help from?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Are you actually suggesting that since the U.N. can't run the world, we should try? "

            Do you have a problem with the US role in WWII? How about wars after? Is is "common sense" to you that the US is a problem causer throughout the globe?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        'Cuz last time I checked, the only job of the U.S. govt it to protect equality in our nation, not the world at large. Just sayin'

        Its primary role is to protect our interests regardless of where they lie geographically. I know this confuses you when it's convenient to be confused on that question. Or perhaps like other topics you just mindlessly quote leftist talking points and other leftist and Islamic rhetoric.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      ze-ev ben jehudah,

      Live Long and Prosper!

    • Mary Sue

      What SOCIALISM said. Live long and prosper. May the Lord protect you.

  • WhateverMan

    You imbecile: my question was not why did Merah kill them, but why the author doesn t mention that 2 of the victims were Muslim.

    • Michael Copeland

      The answer to your answer is that the soldiers were no longer acceptably muslim: they had to be killed.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Muslim AND BLACK.

      Merrah was a racist. If he were in jail before his rampage, 6 people would still be alive.

    • JacksonPearson

      You're just plain old ugly: http://i56.tinypic.com/207730o.jpg

    • Enojado

      And you cretin conveniently ignore the brutal torture and murder of Ilan Halimi because he was Jewish. Should have happened to someone as vile as you.

      • Whaterver-Man

        People around die every day for a variety of reasons. Some even killed by jews . What is special about this kid, beside the fact that he is a jew?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          What is special?

          "Ilan Halimi (Hebrew: אילן חלימי‎) was a young French Jewish man [2] kidnapped on 21 January 2006 by a group called "the Gang of Barbarians" (Gang des Barbares) and subsequently tortured, over a period of three weeks, resulting in his death."
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilan_Halimi

          WhateverMoron, You are a fascist. I wish you were dropped off in Tahrir Square, dressed as a Jew or a Hindu.

        • CHOI

          FK You AGAIN,Whatever
          YOU KNOW WHY!!!
          BECAUSE HE WAS A J-E-W!!!!!!,you M.F.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      2 of the victims were Muslim, as were the 70,000+ dead in Syria – Arabs/Muslims killing Arabs/Muslims.

  • WhateverMan

    replies to Glennd1 off all the hatefull crap on this site…FPM is not even trying to hide it anymore…

    • Ben Jabo

      Of course they're not hiding it, they're allowing shmucks like you to post here

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Ben Jabo AKBAR!

    • Ben Jabo

      They're allowing you to post here, stop grumbling

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        You got it right the first time.

    • Drakken

      Pardon me while I get you a tissue to wipe away those leftist/commi tears of yours. That is the problem with you commi/ leftist/progressives, you whine and cry and throw little tantums until people let you have your way, well boy, no more.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Drakken AKBAR!

      • WilliamJamesWard

        First use the tissues for something else, make him feel at home…………….William

        • Drakken

          I have to say William, I like how you think!

          • WilliamJamesWard

            Nice of you to say so Drakken,………..appreciated……………..William

    • JacksonPearson

      Talk about hiding, when are you going to disappear?

    • JacksonPearson

      Repeat…You're just plain old ugly: http://i56.tinypic.com/207730o.jpg

      • WilliamJamesWard

        Photo must be him, must be………………….William

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "replies to Glennd1 off all the hatefull crap on this site…FPM is not even trying to hide it anymore…"

      Huh? I want everyone to read the hateful crap by you and glenn, any other fools too.

      The moderating is outsourced by the way. You're just a victim in your own mind like all the other leftist victims.

  • WhateverMan

    replies to Glennd1 are either deleted (2 of my replies) or blocked off all the hatefull crap on this site…FPM is not even trying to hide it anymore…
    Your post was awesome and reasonable! FPM HATES THAT

    • stern

      Your posts are replete with bigotry and hatred for anything and anyone Jewish. And you have the gall to complain when they get deleted. Why don't you just go away. Try the guardian. Their kind of non-stop incitement and hate-filled idiocies are perfect for you.

      • JacksonPearson

        LOL, that's because he's an antisemitic swine, and doesn't hide it.
        So keep sticking it to him!

    • Drakken

      So you have proved to the rest of us tat your a puzzy and cry like a little girl who didn't get her lollipop becuse she didn't get her own way, cry me a river.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      WhateverMoron,

      Sorry if not all of your racist, fascist rants are allowed.

      Go complain to some white supremecist or islamofascist ombudsman.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      WhateverMoron,

      Happy Eternal Nakba!

  • Cat K

    It's a Tired old strategy to call those who decry anti-Semitism "haters." Yawn. If you can't say WHO is attacking you cannot ever hope to stop the attacks. Which IS the goal of all those critical of these enlightening articles. They lust for the death of Jewish babies, children and all Jewish human beings. They enjoy it. They don't want the truth to be known as their enjoyment will end. Muslim or garden variety leftist anti-Semite, they are all alike in that regard.
    Thank you Frontpagemag for writing about these incidents which could be a run up to another holocaust – unless we write more and read more and stand together against the real hatred.

    • Mary Sue

      though I'd point out, if you're not allowed to hate bloodthirsty slaughterers of innocent people, what's this world coming to?

  • Woody

    The Progressives' pogrom against the Jews is reborn and on the march, arm-in-arm with the Islamic/Fascists. Academia has ceded its once-lofty position to the enemies of the West.

  • Marty

    It's increasingly obvious that europe is hostile to its Jewish communities and wants to terminate them. The continent's muslims are only to happy to complete the work of the nazis and their allies. europe's remaining Jews should not wait for a second Holocaust (which seems to be already underway) and leave while they are able for Israel or the United States. Then the european dhimmis will quickly discover that their Jew-hatred will not protect them at all from the islamic scourge that is set to destroy them.

    • EdwinS

      Eventually Europe will drive away all its Jews – and it will be left with a huge Muslim population.. – .Europe will become an Islamic cesspool – Muslims will make life a misery for the native Europeans…
      O boy – I cant wait!!!

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Except for the Czech Republic, Eurabia can go to Hell/Makkah ASAP.

        Remember that the UK/scotland released the convicted bomber of Pan Am 103 – on "compassionate" grounds – Blood for Oil Contracts.

  • BS77

    Europeans think they will be spared by their maniacal house guests…. they are ignorant of the history of conquest, barbaric brutality and enslavement.

  • Jeremy

    Hey Fatboy,

    Why don't you just roll over and play dead. Better yet, don't play dead, just die already. Thank you for your support.

  • kaz

    it appears that jewish artist ron agam has a lot to learn about islam. long bitter and repeated history has demonstrated that "this culture of racism and antisemitism" (which is more accurately described as anti-infidelism) is intrinsic to islam, and a muslim can no more shed the culture of racism and anti-infidelism than a scorpion can stop stinging, or a snake can stop biting. to stop the depradations of muslims upon the infidel, the infidel must get rid of the muslims. period. there is no other way to be safe from islam. our jewish friends and de-facto allies in the struggle against islamic slavery dont seem to be able to get this. they align themselves with the left–the allies of islam–and against their traditional enemies–christians–as if they did not recognize the presence of islam as the imminent evil of the last 14 centuries. yes, jews have historically been abused in christian countries. in muslim countries, they have been eradicated. so, jews, keep on whining about past persecutions while your would be allies, muslims, sharpen their scimitars for ALL infidels. the jewish contribution to the election of a muslim president is perverse, and inexcusable.

    • Mark

      Your drivel serves no purpose. Jews are not "whining" about past abuses by Christians. Christians expelled Jews from whole nations in Europe over the centuries, burned them alive, attacked their communities with savage pogroms and many Christians remained silent during the holocaust or collaborated with the Nazis and many Gentiles in Europe actively took part in the extermination of 6 million Jews. After the war Jewish survivors who tried to return to countries such as Poland and were met with mob violence by organized anti-Semites.. German's who supported Hitler were reeducated by the allies (especially the U.S.) and taught that Nazi propaganda against the Jews was wrong. The vast majority of French Jews do not want a radical Muslim France. French Jews are French. French Jews want to live in France protected by their government against all anti-Semites living in France.

  • EdwinS

    Some while ago a Spanish public figure – I dont recall the name – observed 'Europe traded 6 million Jews for 20 million Muslims – what a bargain!'.

  • Prof Ethan

    About those "650,000 expelled": I've read Benny Morris' 1948, and I know him, since he was a visiting scholar in my Department a couple of years ago. In 1948, Morris says the following: (a) the Palestinians (not the proto-Israelis) began the war, in Nov. 1947; (b) for five months, until mid-April 1948, they were not only winning but decisively winning (the judgment of General Sir Alan Cunningham, the last British High Commissioner of the Mandate; he feared a second Holocaust); (c) there were grievous instances of ethnic cleansing by the proto-Israelis, most notably in the Lydda region, but no Mandate-wide plan or policy (e.g., the much discussed "Plan Dalet" was never implemented); (d) the large majority of Palestinian refugees simply fled the fighting; they weren't "ethnically cleansed", except by the war itself.

    Today Benny Morris would certainly NOT claim that 650,000 Palestinians were expelled by the proto-Israelis. The reality is that they fled from a war they started.

    • jacob

      Interesting to read that General Cunningham, last High Commissioner of the Mandate, just FEARED
      a Second Holocaust but most obviously didn't do a damned thing to prevent it, judging from the forts,
      arms and ammunition his administration handed the Arabs…!!!!
      But, what else was to expect from the nation that placed in their own Cyprus concentration camps,
      the Nazi concentration camps graduates trying to get to the only safe place for them, Palestine ???

      And as to "Scholars", I still reserve my opinion about many of them…
      I will never forget the linguist moron who claimed that the word "AVADIM" with which the Passsover narrative begins, doesn't mean "SLAVES" but "Hired Hands" …!!!!
      Therefore, the EXODUS was just a workers strike…!!!!!

  • Choi

    @Whatever Man:
    Well,
    #1:as you see,FPM believes in FREEDOM of SPEECH and your LYING JEW-HATING post is still there.

    #2:You TOO are a SAVAGE, since you obviously have been coming to this site as a CYBER-TROLL for THE SAVAGES.

    #3The frequency of your posts indicates that you're one of FOUR things:
    A) A JIHADI YOURSELF
    B) A PAID CYBER-TROLL
    C)An OBSESSED JEW-HATER
    D)ALL OF THE ABOVE

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Choi AKBAR!

    • Drakken

      Choi, as must as I despise these jihadi enablers, I want them to air their views so that everyone knows where they stand and no mistaking their intentions.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        I agree Drakken.

        One day, there will be hell to pay.

        Collaborators will see Justice.

      • CHOI

        and therefore when they post a FU to us ,WE post a BIGGER" NO!!! FU !" to them.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          When Islamofascists attack people all over the world, all I can say is

          May the FALSE "prophet" muhammed, prophtet of satan, continue to burn in Hell for Eternity!

          • WilliamJamesWard

            Ditto's all round……………………William

  • Choi

    Does anybody wonder WHY and HOW the Nazis were able to CONQUER most of Europe?
    Muslim Jihadis are doing WHAT the Jews were FALSELY BLAMED OF, as the NAZI's SCAPEGOATS.,and the Europeans are SUBMITTING.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Fatboy Mohammed,

    Now those 109 countries will be overrun by Islamofascists.

    SWEET JUSTICE!

  • Drakken

    The Jews of Europe have not learned from history, they keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again, if anything was learned from the past, they had better learn to bloody well fight back, otherwise they will be wiped out by the muslim savages this time, being a pacifist is not going to spare them from slaughter. Armed agression against you must always be met with brutally armed resistance. I wonder if they will resist, or go quietly into the night without so much as whimper?

    • Mark

      French Jews have a right to live in France. It is France that must stop these attacks against loyal French citizens who are an essential part of France. French Jews are French with all the rights that that implies! No one has the right to attack French Jews. The French government must protect its own citizens! Don't blame the victims and sit on the side like an idiot and wonder about their fate.

      • Drakken

        Mark, it is your God given right to protect yourself period, depending on something or someone else to protect you is tanamount to suicide, thanks but no thanks, I will depend on myself to defend myself and others, not govts or other individuals to do so. I don't sit on the sidelines by the way, I work in the worst sh**hole places on the planet and deal with threats to ours and others safety with extreme predjudice.

        • Mark

          You still don't get it Drakken. Jews must be protected by French police (which includes Jewish French police.) How is anyone, man , women or child, supposed to protect themselves from gangs of Arab thugs without the help of armed police.) Jews were active in the underground resistance when the Vichy government was in control of part of France and the rest was occupied by Nazi Germany. It was not the fault of the Jews that many were taken by the Germans and the French police at that time and shipped to death camps. Jews are outnumbered 10 to 1 by Arabs in France today. France is a liberal democracy. In a liberal democracy every citizen is entitled to live freely and expect protection by the police from thugs. France must make France safe for French Jews and Jews who visit France. That is what all civilized people must demand. You fail to understand the reality of what French Jews face. You insult French Jews by implying they are cowards when in fact they have a proud history is disgusting on your part. If France allows Jews to be attacked by gangs of thugs the French Jews will leave France and go to Israel or the U.S.

          • Drakken

            Depending on the police in any country for your safty is suicide period, meet an arab gang, bring a weapon with lotsa bullets and use liberally. Police show up after a crime is comitted not before, so if your a French Jew, arm up son, your going to need it.

          • WilliamJamesWard

            I have to say Drakken, I like how you think!……………….William

          • Drakken

            Much appriciated William !

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Drakken AKBAR!!!!

      Eurabia is an example of how socialism can destroy a civilization.

      A new Dark Age is descending on Europe.

      • WilliamJamesWard

        Keep the Akbarian lights on, a torch here and a torch there can make a Dark-Age
        less boring, night vision also makes a useful difference putting the screws to the
        bad guys……………………William

        • Drakken

          The thermal sights they have for certain items makes certain things light up like christmas trees in the dark, they never even know what hits them.

  • Mark

    France is a great nation. It is a nation with a culture admired around the world. A flaw in French culture is a long history of antisemitism and complicity by many French in aiding the Nazis during the Holocaust. The threat to French Jews today in France however comes from the Muslim Community almost exclusively. This is hardly anything new. These ugly attacks on Jews by Muslims living in France is longstanding. France must crack down on the spread of hate by Muslim clerics and many Muslim organizations and individuals. Hate crimes should be prosecuted and these criminal attacks and murders must be harshly punished. Those who preach violence should be deported or sentenced to long prison terms. France must be changed into a country openly unfriendly to the advances of radical Islam. France must uphold it's revolutionary tradition of Liberty and Fraternity and actively reeducate the Muslim youth of France. They must insist that they hear the truth that hatred of Jews is unacceptable in France even if teachers have to be protected by police from students who violently object or try to silence their teachers. Students who become violent should be separated from other students and be placed in reeducation schools during school hours and be searched upon entering reeducation schools.

    • Drakken

      You and your fellow Jews had better arm and protect yourselves, depending on the state is suicide, the cops will show up to put you in a body bag otherwise, so quit being a puzzy and man the eff up and deal with the g**damn problem instead of relying on some one else to do it for you, that is how you ended up on the trains last go a round.

  • Mary Sue

    yeah, that reason was "they wouldn't convert out of their religion" which is hardly a valid reason!

  • Mary Ann

    I can’t for the life of me understand how any Jew could live in the barbaric, covered over with a thin veneer of civilization, continent called Europe.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Mary Ann AKBAR!

      Except for the Czech Republic,

      DROP DEAD EURABIA.

    • Gerry

      Mary Ann, the blame should also rest on the French from France. They allowed in 5 million Muslims. If the Muslims stayed home they would have only been killing their own.

    • jacob

      My late brother in law went to visit his Lithuanian home town years ago and upon returning spoke
      of what was left of the town once all its Jews vanished…
      As to Jews still remaining in Europe, where do we leave Jews still living in Germany and being
      known as "DIE SCHWINEN" ?????
      Of course in France and the rest of Europe, the solution is to get rid of their Immams and Mullah,
      which are precisely those stirring the pot but….who would ????

    • beez

      For the life of me, I can't understand how any American Jew could have voted for Barack Hussein Obama.

      • zalukas

        Because they don't live in Israel or Europe. Missiles don't reach Beverly Hills. Yet.

  • UCSPanther

    I think the best thing for Jews to do is to leave Europe and let them wallow in the multicultural nightmare that the EU elites created.

    • WhateverMan

      Europeans have been making every hint for 2000 years to ask you to leave, but talk about being clueless…

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        The perfect payback for Europe is the population exchange of Jews for Islamofascists.

        Let Europe swing in the breeze.

      • Mary Sue

        yeah, you're just a straight-up reflexive unthinking jew-hater, arencha? What did the Jews ever do to you, man?

      • zalukas

        Swedish city of Malmo is now Judenfrei . Oh yes, and the most violent rape victims in Scandinavia are blond, Aryan and Christian, without a Jew in sight.

        I guess they got their wish?

  • thomas_h

    @Ape Fartboy Foxman

    " You people gotta ask yourselves why you're hated everywhere you go….109 countries throughout history had a reason for booting you out."

    109 countries throughout history had also reason for public quartering and burning of heretics and witches, hanging children for stealing bread, succumbing to bubonic plague, designing and constant improving instruments and methods of torture, decimating each other in religious wars, guillotining hundreds of thousands of heads, black slave trading, genociding indigenous peoples of Americas, gassing people and red and brown terror resulting in some 80 million dead…
    Yes, they had a reason for all that too. There also must be a reason a certain percentage of their population – far from majority as you try to indicate – will end as hateful, pathetic imbeciles who breathe in Jew hatred like opium vapours allowing them to forget or excuse their miserable lives.
    You,little hitlerite turd are a perfect example.

    Ah, BTW, I am a Catholic – not a Jew.

    • Conservative K

      I just want to say to you my friend, 'THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL'!!! That moronic, anti-Semitic, little 'hitlerite' as you so eloquently put it, needed to be schooled in historical FACT! ANOTHER progressive, mindless, useful idiot for the left who cling to Islam too ignorant to understand that if these SAVAGES indeed spread their foul poison throughout the planet in a 'caliphate', THEM, with their sexual deviance and social justice will be the FIRST to be decapitated by the barbaric pigs that are Islam! I too am a Catholic who understands the Jews ARE Gods chosen people and Muslims are satans.

      • thomas_h

        You are right pointing out that the mindless, the willful ignorant, the sexually "liberated", the hatefully "anti-god" can only survive in a society where the sanctity of a human life, freedom of thought and expression is a superior principle. Ours is STILL such a society – exactly because the civilizing and humanizing power of the Judeo-Christian ethos. In a world ruled by Sharia they would not last one day. Unless, of course, they join the horrid Cult spawned by Muhammed.

    • cinnamon

      satan always hates what's put above him … Jews are Gods choosen thats why there is so much hate against them….i'm christian and an adopted jew by my faith in who Jesus is ….

  • Barakus abomidas

    Don't be **islamophobic**, they are just like you only smarter. Remember you are just a white (hater) and (slaveacist)/<jango unchained>. Accept – the changing demographics, its diversity thats all good. Not to worry your lilly white heads. ISLAM is gonna take care of you all very soon. Just sit tight and be <tolerant>. It will all be over real soon, trust me;) The <emerging> majorities will have all (your backs). Hee HEE–AH HAAA.

    • Toni_Pereira

      If i were one of those far right bigots, i would ask you where will you be when the israelis demolish the camel stab…er…the Golden Mosque in Jerusalem. But i'm a decent cosmopolitan fellow, so i hope you find the best medical help the west have to offer for your case(take a guess). Cheers!!

  • Arlie

    All the mosques and imams should be watched 24/7 with all means of technology and human intelligence available. They are teaching hate and jihad against all life on the planet that does not conform to their barbarism. All light bearing people the world over need to fight this decay of darkness and death cult. Satan is on the march and he has found the hosts to do his bidding. WELL PAST TIME TO STOP bowing to THE PC
    fear and stand strong against the enemy of all mankind.

    • Mary Sue

      the only problem is they'd cry about invasion of privacy! (which modern Leftists seem to hold as sacrosanct)

    • jacob

      Then what YOSHIRO SAGAMORI once wrote in the Jerusalem Post was the Gospel…!!!!!

      She said that every practicing Muslim is a terrorist.
      It is what has been hammered into his head from cradle to grave and it is what his so called
      "RELIGION" expects from him…!!!!

      And I dare anyone to prove to me that those words were or are wrong…!!!!!!!

      • WilliamJamesWard

        I do not think anyone could Jacob……………….William

    • beez

      Unfortunately, that will not happen in the United States so long as Barack Obama is President.

  • Arlie

    Shabbat Shalom

  • Mike in VA

    "Jews Under Muslim Attack in Europe
    And what it should tell Washington about Israel and the Middle East."

    Shouldn't Americans be asking ourselves what this tells us about EUROPE???

    This problem transcends Jews and Israel…

    • Ben M

      Um it tells us that Europe just like America is under attack from the Middle Eastern Terrorist. Read about what is happening ALL OVER EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA and how the muslims are trying and succeeding in oppressing people and increasing crime.

  • Steve

    Fatboy I doubt that you never went past grade 6. You are a pathetic child. What other country in the world has accomplished what Israel has done in less than 60 years. Is this statement to confusing for you?

  • AtergGwanyik

    Both are children of Abraham one child respects life and lives by the rules of love and forgiveness,improving the future of their children , education and furthering science. The other child disrespects life, because their lives are miserable and hope for a better life in death, sacrificing their children , calling them martyrs and killing countless cousins in name of God the greatest. As long as these basic differeces are present, there will be no peace. We in the West should do everything possible to enlighten and educate those that are so terribly mislead resulting in hatred and actions that we cannot understand from a humanistic views. We have to support those that are closest to our values and teach the ones that cannot see our way of life, either to go back where they are happy , or to respect the difference iof our democratic institutions.

    • Whaterver-Man

      There you go, buddy. Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M539PgDjbas

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Here you go you dumb sack of SHlTler, Enjoy!

        WW2 Victory in Europe Day: Beaten Nazis Sign Historic Surrender (1945)
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFFEKPIB0J8

        I expect you to also surrender, unconditionally.

    • Neil

      The difference is the violent ones cannot be taught, and they are that way because the majority of them are un-evolved angry scum. They did the same thing in their original Countries because they were not happy there either, and they destroyed everything there. I think we'll have to ban/deport all of the Muslims because it's hard to tell the difference and since the majority of them reject our Culture and push their on us, in our Country.

  • Whaterver-Man

    Like I said, jews in France have it worse than Palestinians in the territories.
    Again, the article ommits to mention that Merah has been in Israel despite being on a watchlist. He was interrogated by Shin Bet and released in 2010.
    The article ommits to mention that the 2 soldiers were MUSLIMS.
    The article contradicts its OWN TITLE BY ADMITTING THAT THE REPORT DOESN'T INDICATE WHICH SEGMENT OF THE SOCIETY IS PERPETUATING THESE SO-CALLED ANTI-SEMITIC ACTS.
    And finally, it doesn't say what constitues an anti-semitic act. There have been instances in France when jews would fabricate stories of anti-semitic act every time jew has a problem with a gentile. If black people in the US used the same tactics as the jews in France, there would be outrage on this page taking about identity politics and entitlements…
    This website is a support group for trolls: Some write articles and other comment on them. And the whole thing is overseen the Ubertroll himself: david horowitz.

  • thomas_h

    By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez(*)

    I walked down the street in Barcelona, and suddenly discovered a terrible truth –
    Europe died in Auschwitz.
    We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims.
    In Auschwitz we burned a culture,
    thought, creativity, talent.

    We destroyed the chosen people,
    truly chosen, because they produced great and
    wonderful people who changed the world.

    The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of
    life: science, art, international trade, and above all,
    as the conscience of the world.
    These are the people we burned.

    And under the pretense of tolerance,
    and because we
    wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism,
    we opened our gates to 20 million
    Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance,
    religious extremism and lack of tolerance,
    crime and poverty,
    due to an unwillingness to work and support
    their families with pride.

    They have turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world,
    drowning in filth and crime.

    Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government,
    they plan the murder and destruction of
    their naive hosts.

    And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred,
    creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.

    We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe
    and their talent for hoping for a better future
    for their children, their determined clinging to life
    because life is holy,
    for those who pursue death,
    for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others,
    for our children and theirs.

    What a terrible mistake was made
    by miserable Europe.

    • Telly

      You are so right, heck i think the reason that Jewish people were attacked was because of the Muslim/Arabic individuals that made a negative impact and pointed the finger at the Jewish people. Because honestly most Jewish people only brought fourth invention, peace, hard-work etc. Where as East Indians are just filthy hateful individuals.

  • Mach1Duck

    Want to end the Muslim Israely conflict. Tell the Palistanians no more free lunch, and that would include the UN.

  • Western Spirit

    Because of its Jew hatred Europe's days are numbered as free nations. I believe the Biblical Prophesizes to be true as they have proved themselves to be true time and time again. We can see the process of Europe losing its freedom beginning to unfold as its enslavers emigrate in great numbers among them.

    And I leave Jew hating Jews, like Soros and Whatever Man, to Heaven. Hell will claim its own. For reality like an iceberg, has as much going on beneath our vision, as is seen. We can't see air either but we know it is there by its actions and just so we can comprehend the spiritual by its actions among us.

  • PermReader

    The American message to the attacted European Jews:the American interntional broadcasting-voice of America and radio Europe have nothing to say as to European Jews as to Israelis for the last decade.Instead they are permanently talking about the "Palestinian" sufferings owin to the cruel Zionist occupation.
    This administration`s "support " to European Jewry is quite grave.

    • Ben

      Because the Islam/Muslims have invaded and corrupted most governments can't anyone realize this!? So they are pushing anti-jewish propaganda and blocking out the information of the hate-crimes and rapes the East Indians/Somalians are doing in Sweden, Denmark, and other once clean peaceful Countries they are turning into Pakistan. We need to deport those Muslim Terrorists.

  • jtrolla

    Antisemitism is resurgent everywhere including the USA. After the Holocaust of WW II the Jews said, "never again." We Christians need to support our Jewish brothers and sisters in keeping that vow. Now, more than ever.

    • Darcy

      Yeah the Muslims are throwing that anti-semitic propaganda everywhere, and we mustn't listen. Seeing as how the ones actually doing harm to every place they inhabit are those intolerant,hateful,racist muslims.

      • jtrolla

        Your attempt at sarcasm is shallow and almost laughable. If there is another Holocaust, you will bare part of the blame. And what will you do if they come after you? Who will you appeal to?

  • Pam Perry

    Talk about bullying. What is going on around the world against the Jewish people is bullying at it's absolute worst. We should all stand against bullying for anyone or any group but especially the Jews who are the apple of God's eye.

    • Ronda

      Not against the Muslims, because they are bullying EVERYONE that is not a Muslim man.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    If the Jews of the World would make Alia Israel would be fast on the way of becoming
    a or the dominant World Power, Israel must build up Judea and Samaria to place it's
    incoming citizens and provide the right and moral expansion of the Promise………….William

  • Bashy Quraishy

    The article By P. David Hornik : “ Jews Under Muslim Attack in Europe”
    ( February 22, 2013 By) is another classical anti-Islam and anti-Muslim tirade from FrontPageMag.com. It is long on lies but short on facts and documentation.

    But then, what can we expect from a web, which has made it a mission to sow hatred among Jewish and Muslim communities in Europe and USA. The saddest part of this campaign is that it does not talk about the solution to minimize anti-Semitism among ordinary citizens, both with Muslim and Christian background as well as authorities in the west. I have never read one article, where FrontPage offers neutral and useful way of bringing Muslims and Jewish people together. This I find very troubling because the net result of this anti-Islam hatred is that it is creating more anger among Muslim communities and the work of inter-cultural and inter-religious living very difficult.

    I would like to ask the editors of this blog, why they have chosen a path of confrontation and not reconciliation. Do not they realize that their hate crusade against Islam would not have any positive effect on 1-7 billion people, on the contrary, it just pisses people off and makes the life of Jewish people even more difficult.

    Coming back to anti-Semitism among the Muslim communities in the West, it would be foolish to deny its existence. I have worked with both Jewish and Muslim communities for many years and know for a fact that there are mutual prejudices between the both people.
    There are many reasons for this sad situation.
    First, both communities have fanatics who do not want peace and mutual respect.
    Secondly, although Jews have always been given protection, asylum and refuge in Muslim lands when they faced extermination in Christian Europe, historical animosity from 7th century still lingers on and plays a part in creating suspicion and tensions. I hear it again and again from various Jewish sources – intellectuals, Rabbis and even the ordinary persons, the story of the Jewish Tribe, which was put to death during Prophet Mohamed’s time.
    Thirdly, one cannot look away from the reality that Israel and Palestine problem and harsh Israeli policies towards Palestinians is the root cause of the increased anger among the Arab/ Muslim youth in Europe today. It is not anti-Semitism but anti-Israel opinions. Most Jewish and even Christian people do not distinguish between the two, either because of emotional connection with Israel or because it is an easy way to call Muslims as anti-Semitic. Many Muslims make the same mistake by mixing Judaism with Israel. Any wrong action by the state of Israel is called the Jewish atrocities or Zionist plot.

    Last but not least, Jews being a small minority in Europe do not or dare not challenge the harassment, mobbing and violence committed against them by some Muslims and even Christians. In my opinion, their worry of repercussions and more harassment is very valid but a wrong strategy. It is only by standing up to the bullies, one can get the point across that anti-Semitism is unacceptable.
    So dear, FrontPage, please be constructive if you wish to help my Jewish brothers and sisters. Do criticize individuals, groups and even Muslim countries who commit violence against the Jewish people, but do not make it a confrontation between Jews and Muslims or a question of Judaism versus Islam.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Batshi,

      "classical anti-Islam and anti-Muslim tirade from FrontPageMag.com. It is long on lies but short on facts and documentation. "

      Please point out the lies in the article. Back up your charge.

      "made it a mission to sow hatred among Jewish and Muslim communities in Europe and USA."

      Do mosques preach hatred of Jews, as specified in the Koran?

      Are Jews harassed and beaten and even killed by Islamists in Eurabia?

      Have you heard of Ilan Halami? Kidnapped and tortured to death by 20+ Islamists in France?
      Have you heard of the Toulouse France murders?
      Have you heard of the 7/7/05 London transport bombings?
      Have you heard of the bombing of Pan Am 103?

      What are your views on the above atrocities?

      Why is it wrong to expose Islamist aggression, attacks and murder? Keeping it a secret only benefits Islamists and their socialist dhimmis.

      Why do you blame the victim for Islamist attacks?

      Islamists are killing people all over the world.

      70,000+ people have been killed in Syria. Where is your outrage? Can't blame Jews/Christians/Hindus for those deaths?

      Are you upset that the Israelis are not the unarmed Jews of Khybar?

      Are you in the least upset over the status of women in Islamist regimes?

      A reformation must sweep the vicious elements from Islam for there to be peace.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "I have never read one article, where FrontPage offers neutral and useful way of bringing Muslims and Jewish people together."

      You must refute Islamic supremacist ideaology to do so. How do we bring Nazis and Jews together? Same answer.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "…do not make it a confrontation between Jews and Muslims or a question of Judaism versus Islam."

      Islam forced that choice since it was created. Stop blaming Islam's victims for its aggressive totalitarian philosophies that incite murder and mayhem everywhere since it's beginning.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Coming back to anti-Semitism among the Muslim communities in the West, it would be foolish to deny its existence. I have worked with both Jewish and Muslim communities for many years and know for a fact that there are mutual prejudices between the both people."

      That's a subtle attempt to draw attention away from the root cause; Islamic ideology. Am I "prejudiced" against you if I defend myself when you attack me?

  • migsat6

    My Dear Jewish Friends. If you need a well qualified air to ground fighter please let me know. Specialty is 20mm cannon, snake and nape. Within a Generation, my sons will be in fighting for European survival against mulsim aggression toward all none muslims.

    • Kate

      WOOT WOOT! I think lots of people will join you. Let's send those muslims to their 77 virgins early ha, except those virgins will probably be hairy bitter muslim men, but oh well that's what they get for being such scum!

  • Ben M

    Nothing screams we are being over run by Terrorists then what is happening in all Western/European Countries that are all over run with Muslims/East-Indians. Take a look at what the muslims are doing in Russia, Sweden, Denmark, you name it. To the Jewish, and the non-jewish. Anyone who is not a hairy horny east indian man is getting hate crimes committed towards them. Seriously the only way is just to deport either the majority of the Muslims back to their Countries of origin or all of them. Because this is ridiculous. But it feels like alot of those terrorists have infiltrated inside the Western/European governments and are corrupting them and getting them to get EVEN MORE MUSLIM/SOMALIAN IMMIGRANTS. WHATS WORSE IS ALOT OF THEM WERE PRISONERS IN THEIR ORIGINAL LANDS BUT THEY ARE PAID BY WELFARE! Seriously what a messed up world. I think when something does happen it may be extreme, and white people will have enough and start killing anything that isn't white. But i mean that's what the East indian/somalian plague does to people, because no matter how nice you are to them the majority will hate you just for being white, and they will try to kill your freedom, commit crimes, and trash your lands while living off of your money and kindness.

  • Bashy Quraishy

    In my first comment , I asked the FrontPage editors as to why they have chosen a path of confrontation and not reconciliation. Do not they realize that their hate crusade against Islam would not have any positive effect on 1-7 billion people, on the contrary, it just pisses people off and makes the life of Jewish people even more difficult.
    And of course, the editors have no answer to that because their only agenda is to make sure that Jewish and Muslim communities never come close to confront the eternal hatred of the western Ango-Saxon anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
    To those ignorant commentators, who continuously write how Islam is anti-Jewish and how Muslims have prosecuted Jews, I would say to go to the nearest library or just check the history books. There would be no Judaism if Islam did not come in the world. It was the Muslims who opened their lands and hearts and embraced Jews warmly whenever they have to flee from the killing and pogroms of the Christian west. But then again, to appreciate the Muslim protection of Jews through out the history, one needs to be objective, educated and open minded and not bigoted, close minded and Islamobobic.

  • Samir Halabi

    I have no patience for those Muslim Jew-hating slime who who attack and kill Jews for one reason only and that is because they are Jewish. can you imagine how the parents, wives husbands or brothers of the Jewish victims feel? I don’t think so!!! those vermin who commit such distardly acts of violence against Jews should be tracked down with their whole families and all of them terminated.