Kerry’s Plan for an Indefensible Jewish State

Mahmoud-Abbas--John-Kerry-jpgSecretary of State John Kerry was in Israel yet again on Thursday and Friday. Upon arriving, he went straight from Ben-Gurion Airport to Ramallah to meet with Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas—but had to cut the visit short and hurry to Jerusalem because rare blizzard conditions were developing.

Kerry managed to meet with Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu after that, however, even as the presumably harried Netanyahu was also dealing with emergency problems of downed power lines, perilously stranded cars, and the like.

Kerry, however, pronounced himself buoyant and optimistic about the peace talks as always. Before leaving Israel for Vietnam he told reporters that Israel and the Palestinian Authority were on track to iron out all their disagreements by April, and that:

The core framework, if you want to call it that, which we are discussing with respect to this, centers on the critical issues…. Borders, security, refugees, Jerusalem, mutual recognition and an end to conflict and to all claims.

A less upbeat assessment, however, came from Khaled Abu Toameh, who reported that Kerry’s meeting with Abbas “did not achieve a breakthrough”; that Abbas’s spokesman said the Palestinians “won’t accept any Israeli presence on our land”; and that Abbas gave Kerry a letter in which he “reiterated his complete opposition to demands to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.”

The refusal to “accept any Israeli presence on our land” seemed particularly pertinent, since according to reports the talks have lately been centering on Kerry’s proposal to leave a limited Israeli military presence in the Jordan Valley for a limited time (variously cited as five, ten, or fifteen years). The Washington Post had already reported that

Neither side is on board with [the idea]….

For…Netanyahu, limiting the number of Israeli troops in the Jordan Valley, and how long they can be there, would not guarantee safety.

For…Abbas, who has promised his people they would not see a single Israeli soldier on Palestinian land in a future state, any army presence would be too much.

The Post, not a bastion of Israeli hawkishness, went on to add that:

A generation of Israeli generals has considered the Jordan Valley a crucial eastern flank against a land invasion of the Jewish state from the east.

So the talks, to which Kerry affixed a nine-month time span, have been going on since late July and, according to these and other reports, still have not reached first base. Netanyahu has said that ensuring Israel’s security comes first, and only then can the other none-too-simple matters like Jerusalem, refugees, and an end to claims be addressed.

If Abbas, though, after five months of Kerry’s earnest involvement and frequent Jerusalem-Ramallah shuttles, remains dead-set against even security arrangements for Israel that Israel sees as inadequate, it is hard to fathom where Kerry’s dauntless optimism comes from.

Kerry, indeed, with some sense that the Jordan Valley is not an easy issue, has delegated Gen. John Allen (who earlier this year turned down a position as NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander), with a team of no less than 160 defense and intelligence experts, to come up with ideas on how to resolve it to both sides’ satisfaction.

What they have not—presumably—been asked to do, however, is explain how to square the circle: how to convince Israel that, after five or fifteen or whatever years, it can safely contract to a width of nine miles in the less than stable Middle East; and how to convince Abbas to accept an arrangement—of Israeli troops remaining in the Palestinian Authority after an agreement—that he has repeatedly and consistently rejected as out of the question.

And even if that circle were somehow to be squared, Kerry would need to appoint further teams of experts to work out (among other things): how Jerusalem can be both undivided (the position of Netanyahu and most of his government) and divided (the position, repeated with mantric insistence, of the Palestinian Authority); how millions of descendants of Arabs who left Israel over sixty years ago can both not “return” to Israel (Israel’s position) and “return” to it (the Palestinian Authority’s position); and how Abbas can both recognize (Netanyahu’s demand) and not recognize (Abbas’s demand) Israel as a Jewish state.

And what would be the “prize” if all the miracles could somehow be achieved? An indefensible Jewish state, pushed back to a nine-mile width by the “diplomacy” of a country with a three-thousand-mile width; the  reversion of Judea and Samaria to total Muslim rule; jihadists from Syria and elsewhere spilling over the porous borders of Palestine and turning Palestine itself, Israel, and Jordan into a cauldron of instability and danger.

Israel already has a precedent, none too encouraging, of Secretary Kerry’s diplomatic skill, as Iran pockets the Geneva deal along with billions of dollars of sanctions relief while not even pretending to give up its nuclear plans.

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  • truebearing

    There is no point in commenting on Kerry’s intelligence, or lack thereof. That is too easy. What is worth noting is how the Left, when faced with a difficult problem, ie. people who won’t do what they want, will eventually opt for some form of negative eugenics. The 20th Century is exhibit A.

    The way the Left uses negative eugenics today is less heavy-handed then in the past, but ultimately, just as deadly. Kerry’s solution for Middle East peace is a classic example. Were Israel to accept Kerry’s insane plan, they would be unable to defend the nation, which would further encourage the genocidal Muslims to attack the obvious weak point. It’s practically drawing the battle plan for Iran, et al.

    How is that negative eugenics? Kerry’s plan knowingly creates a critical vulnerability in a conflict where the Muslims have endlessly stated their fanatical desire to annihilate Israel. It is setting up genocide. It is situational negative eugenics, but of course, neither Kerry nor Obama can be held responsible for the carnage, or so he and Obama think. It is just like letting Al Queda silence Stevens in Benghazi. All they did was refuse to send help, repeatedly.

    The Left is using the same strategy with energy, food production, and Obamacare. Shortages have been used before by the Left to strategically eliminate a problematic population, ie. any group or individual that impedes their totalitarian progress.

    Neither Kerry nor Obama are above creating situations that will result in large numbers of the “right” people dying. Oprah spoke for all of them when she said “old white people must die.” They see Israel in the same way.

    • wildjew

      “Kerry’s plan knowingly creates a critical vulnerability in a conflict where the Muslims have endlessly stated their fanatical desire to annihilate Israel….”

      Keep in mind (as odious as Kerry is; indeed he is odious), we had Condoleezza Rice before him who compared the Palestinian Muslims you speak of to Blacks living in Jim Crow south when she was growing up.

      • MLCBLOG

        Nice observation.

      • truebearing

        I was never a fan of Rice either. She was highly overrated, for the usual reason and as you point out, pandered to the Muslims.

    • justquitnow

      I never got the Oprah-Israel connection. Thanks for the laugh.

      • Drakken

        Well you are a progressive/commi, so your a tad slow to begin with.

        • truebearing

          His slowness is in double digit tads. He still believes Marxism works, despite a century of evidence to the contrary.

          • Drakken

            I call special people like him shortbus window lickers.

      • truebearing

        A leftist with cognitive impairment…how usual. I’ll bet what you really thought was funny was Oprah’s racist, ageist, evil suggstion that old whites all die.

    • carpe diem 36

      you are incorrect. you say israel will be unable to defend the nation. if you do what kerry wants you do not have a problem defending – nothing. there will be no nation! what he advocates is mass suicide and exile of the Jews just like the Romans and the Babilonians did. i do not understand why they let Kerry land in Iesrael.

    • Matt McLaughlin

      who’s whiter than oprah?

    • sustapha

      We should blame ourselves – the institution of colonialism and the distortion of the Torah by the Greeks and Romans. Muhammad Rasulullah despised by them straightened the Torah but it turns out to be a reject. To Moses, do not fight one another, to Jesus do not hold arms, to Muhammad do not manufacture arms.

  • King of Mediocrity

    “Kerry’s Plan for an undefendable Jewish State”

    There- fixed it for ya- no charge.

    • MLCBLOG

      Your name belies your dedication to perfecting our English language. Still, I suppose one cannot call him/her self the King of Excellence easily.

      • King of Mediocrity

        King Of Excellence was already taken.

      • King of Mediocrity

        And so was King of Awesomness.

  • wildjew

    I mean no offense to patriotic American readers. God Almighty (the God I believe in is the Holy One of Israel) has truly blessed the American people with massive amounts of land and resources. I myself have been a beneficiary. Keep in mind, this land was not empty of inhabitants when the first European explorers and colonialists came to North America. There were also natives here; AmerIndian tribes who were displaced. Still, the God of Israel blessed America and yet, America repays the God of Israel by trying to take God’s land (the Holy Land) and give it to what Newt Gingrich called an “invented people; terrorists.” For decades successive American Administrations have dedicated themselves to wresting land God gave to the sons of Jacob (see Gen 12:3, 7; 13:14-17; 15:7; 17:8; 26:4, etc.) while asking God to bless America. Why does America repay the Holy One of Israel (our Maker) in this manner?

    • MLCBLOG

      Wow! you really are a wild Jew. Bold!! I salute and applaud…and agree.

    • mackykam

      God has started punishing Americans:
      “And He sent confusion into their midst and sent a plague of darkness into the land; and they elected the darkness, Barack Hussein Obama, to destroy the United States through mischief, incompetence and evil council. And lo, the populace raises their voices to the elected elders who look with contempt at the masses, harden their hearts against the multitude and refuse to free them from onerous regulations, taxation and Health Care.”

      • Matt McLaughlin

        sounds like good acid.

        • mackykam

          I’ll bow to and accept your expertise on acid.

      • wildjew

        The more American administrations put the squeeze on Israel, the God of Israel and the land of Israel, the worse it seems to get here in the U.S. Can’t Americans see?

        • mackykam

          Pharaoh didn’t learn from 10 plagues and Americans didn’t learn from Obama’s first 4 years either. All this is God setting the board for the “End of Days.”

    • Scott Freewell

      The Zionist state of Israel does not care about God. The Zionist state of Israel has committed horrible crimes and atrocities. The Zionist state of Israel repeatedly oppresses and harasses religious Jews. Religious Jews condemn the modern Zionist state of Israel. So how does this make God judge the United States?

      • defcon 4

        “horrible crimes and atrocities”, please enumerate them Hajji.

    • sustapha

      Did Jacob not wrestle with the Lord of Israel? Who won in the long run?

      • wildjew

        If by the LORD of Israel you mean YHWH, I don’t think so. The Holy One of Israel is not a man. He is spirit.

        But He said, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!” Then the LORD said, “Behold, there is a place by Me, and you shall stand there on the rock; and it will come about, while My glory is passing by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock and cover you with My hand until I have passed by. “Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen.” (Exodus 33)

        • sustapha

          You are ignorant! stop meddling with the Torah and aiding hate speech. You do not respect the Jews our cousins! Is that not Genesis 32:28? Stop also copying from the Qur’an for Exodus 33 is extracted from Qur’an 7:143, “O my Lord! Show me (Your self), that I may look upon You.” Allah said, “You cannot see Me, but look upon the mountain; if it stands still in its place you shall see Me.”

          • wildjew

            Moses wrote the Torah centuries before Muhammad was born. How can Exodus be extracted from the Qur’an? God told Moses: “Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen.” No man can see YHWH but Moses did see God (YHWH), only he did not see God’s face. The Qur’an on the other hand has Allah saying: ” By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount,” seemingly contradicting what God told Moses.

          • defcon 4

            Your position is untenable in the islamic world. As a matter of fact stating your position would most likely be a crime in any islamic state.

          • wildjew

            Maybe that is why some scholars call it Islamic supremacism. Supremacy brooks no gainsaying from unbelievers; kafir.

    • Matt McLaughlin

      there is no ‘Jacobite DNA’. But imagine coming back to town with a 4000 year old promise from Abraham where the Muslims also believe his promise is inclusive.If your an American know the balfour declaration was the biggest day in modern Israel’s history. It was democracy in neither England nor Palestine.

      • wildjew

        To whom was the Holy Land (the “promised land”) promised to in the Qur’an? I thought it was the Jews – that Allah told Muhammad – should enter the Holy Land and not turn back.

        • Matt McLaughlin

          figure it out; how many sons did Abe have? read some.
          maybe google ‘muslims abraham’

          • wildjew

            Right. God said He would greatly bless Ishmael. But the promise of the land of Canaan (later Israel) went through Isaac, Jacob. Perhaps it is you who need to read.

          • defcon 4

            Islamic holey texts have superseded anything written in the Torah, Tanakh or N.T. It’s islamic dogma that all texts previous to Muhammad’s divine revelation are suspect.

      • mackykam

        Actually there is DNA. All Jews who are of the priestly class have a specific male gene found nowhere else.
        ‘your’ is incorrect: it is ‘you’re’, a contraction. As an American you should know that.
        The Balfour declaration only recognized the biblical rights of Jews to their homeland by the British. It didn’t legitimize it; the Bible does that. And what democracy was there in Palestine at the time, or ever? Democracy has nothing to do with the BD. It was what it remains, a declaration.

        • Matt McLaughlin

          You said it yourself…the BD had nothing to do with democracy, which makes you a tyrant. as for your assumption about the BD…it was an act of sympathy.

          http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Balfour_Declaration_in_the_Times_9_November_1917.jpg

          and Professor Alan Dershowitz convincingly argues in The Case for Israel (2003), the British declaration became “a matter of binding international law.

          • Matt McLaughlin

            Not even the Peel commission mentions anything about Jews’ rights to the land. Sympathy.

          • Jakareh

            I take it that you have declared there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his prophet and thus joined the scum of the earth.

          • Matt McLaughlin

            youre just israel’s bitch, thats all.

          • Jakareh

            But you are convert. Had your big glass of foaming camel urine today? Prophet Moe says it’s for your health.

          • Matt McLaughlin

            your a Jewophile as much as Churchill and/or romney. But Arabs were denied self-determination after helping the Allies on the eastern Front, WWI. ‘If I had known then what i know now I would have sent my men home.’-Lawrence of Arabia.

          • Jakareh

            “Arabs were denied self-determination after helping the Allies on the eastern Front, WWI”

            Actually, no, they weren’t. The Middle East spent a couple of decades under British and French tutelage because the region was clearly not ready for independence. The sad thing is, it’s not ready now. Israel is the only civilized country in the region, truly “a mansion in the jungle”. All the Muslim countries are nests of corruption and chaos.

            Didn’t someone already tell you “your” doesn’t mean “you are”? What makes you so sure you’re right about anything when you’re not even really literate?

          • mackykam

            you are either willfully or woefully stupid. What arabs on the eastern front in ww1. They fought against Russia? Are you daft?
            They fought a few turks in Arabia. Don’t give us Lawrence of Arabia crap. The Jews fought the turks for England , fought in Gallipoli as backup troops. while Weizman. later first pres. of Israel, produced smokeless gunpowder for Britain thru his work on acetone.
            The arabs were promised a state: it is called Jordan. Later there was a second partition that included an arab state, which the arabs refused.

          • defcon 4

            Were you a Bacha Bazi boy?

          • Jakareh

            Why are you assuming he’s retired?

          • mackykam

            The Peel Commission recognized the Galilee, Judea and Samaria as the cradle of Jewish existence and particularly remarked that from the Galilee the Jews began their fight against the Romans. That is why they decided the Galilee would belong to the Jews in the Palestine partition plan. Not everyone is as ignorant as you believe them to be.

          • Matt McLaughlin

            euro-jews were not in the picture vs Romans. Partition Plan?>ok, do it. But oh no, Israel wants E Jerusalem as its own. More red herrings.

          • defcon 4

            What claim to your fellow islam0nazis have to ANY part of Jerusalem? Or are we supposed to believe that Muhammad’s flight to the furthest mosque referred to Jerusalem? Despite the fact there is NO evidence to support such a contention anywhere in the holey texts that constitute the trilogy of hate that is islam?

          • mackykam

            Euro-Jews are still Jews, direct descendants of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. Also no such thing as East Jerusalem. Jerusalem is divided into quadrants. In the 1850′s the first Jews moved outside its walls. That became West Jerusalem. If you know anything about Jerusalem you would know that over 50% of the population of that city was Jewish according to Turkish census. And that goes back to the 1860′s. Since Jerusalem was also the city of David it has always been Jewish. The fact that Jerusalem is known as the city of God is what gives it its holiness. Not Mohameds’ best buddy, his horse.

          • Matt McLaughlin

            “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been anti — Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: We have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” (David Ben Gurion — the first Israeli prime minister — quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.)

          • mackykam

            Your fallacy is that we have stolen their lands. It isn’t theirs; it never was.
            They held it through conquest for a short period, only to be conquered by the Ottomans. Throughout history the land was held for short periods by Greeks, Seleucids, Persians, Romans, Crusaders….Only the Jews have rights to this land, even in defeat it is our patrimony. It has called us for nearly 2 thousand years to come home. And now we have.
            The Koran specifically states that this land belongs to the Jews. What then is their claim to this land? What have they done for the land except to plunder its soil, degrade its productivity while under their stewardship? Where were these arabs before the Jews entered the land? Mark Twain reported the land nearly empty of inhabitants in the 1860s.The arabs arrived when the Jews provided a labor market for them. These arabs are transplanted Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis.

          • Matt McLaughlin

            You said it yourself: Mark Twain reported the land nearly empty of inhabitants in the 1860s Understand your own post. Modern Israel was fostered from euro-peon imperialism. Its not an argument about if inhabitants are Jewish >even when the definition of Jewish is at an all time degree of ambiguity. I can be Jewsih tomorrow. I shouldn’t be invited to swipe a piece of Palestine because of it.

          • mackykam

            The land was nearly empty due to lawlessness and banditry by marauding Bedouin. Jerusalem was more than 50% Jewish. Jews inhabited Safed, Tiberias, Jaffa, Haifa and Acre. Turkish census records more than 200 towns, villages inhabited by Jews. Because the Turks plundered the land through high taxes and graft the land was desolate, empty of even its land owners. Therefore the Jews displaced no one by their presence. And the lands they settled they bought, paid for by donations to the KKL (Jewish National Fund in English), from Jews all over Europe and the Americas. Virtually every Jewish home had a little blue and white charity collection box for buying land in Palestine. The lands were legally purchase, deeds drawn and recorded.
            There is no ambiguity about being Jewish, it derives through the mother. My own personal genome legacy J1, done by National geographic, shows my ancestry originating in modern day Iraq back to the time of Abraham. My immediate ancestry is Northern European. I myself was born in Germany.
            And no, you can’t become Jewish tomorrow, regardless of how many times you wish to circumcise yourself ( don’t do it more than once, probably can’t afford to lose too much, if you know what I mean).

          • Matt McLaughlin

            Youre causing a flashpoint for 1.5 billion Muslims. Your most glorious genes guarantee you zilch.i srael’s defense will be limited to the environmental damage it does. Not even the evangelical zionists will continue to back israel when the sky is an onion from israel dropping A-bombs. At that point> Israel’s legitimacy means nothing. the superpowers will raise their priorities of self-preservation to the top and to hadeez with a mere 6 million misplaced Blood&Soil Jews.

          • Matt McLaughlin

            12/22/1880: Mary Anne Evans, who was better known by her pen-name George Eliot, passed away. Daniel Deronda was her last novel. Published in 1876, it presented a presented a positive view of Jews and was sympathetic to the cause that would later be developed as Zionism. Whew…tell it like it is! A fiction idea of cuddling Jews to international policy of England, 1917.

          • defcon 4

            The paleswine are nothing more than Arab imperialists. Their homeland is Saudi Arabia.

          • Matt McLaughlin

            Your euro-Jew that dripped down to SW Asia and won’t go home. Don’t tell me about people closer to the ethnicity of Abraham than your white barbarians.
            The racist and colonialist characteristics of Zionism were quite evident since its inception as an organised political movement in the late 19th century. In his attempt to sell the idea of a Jewish state in Palestine to the colonialist powers of the day, Theodor Herzl explained that such a state would constitute part of Europe’s “wall of defence against Asia; [it] would serve as an outpost of civilisation against barbarism”. But he was quick to add that the Zionists would take any country the European colonial powers would agree to give them. Notice that this was almost half a century before the heinous crimes of the Nazis against the European Jewry. Needless to say, the opinion of the indigenous people of whichever country the colonial powers would choose to allocate to the Zionists was of no significance to the latter.

          • mackykam

            Don’t get it, do you? We Jews don’t need your permission, or anyone’s permission for this land. This land is ours, God gave this land to us. No matter how many have held this land over the centuries it is, and always will be, Jewish patrimony. Though we lost to the Romans we never lost our patrimony. The bible is our deed to the land. No other people have a deed to the land they hold. They hold it only through conquest. We own this land even in defeat.
            This land of ours has never blossomed for any other people. On the contrary, the land lay desolate for centuries, the few arabs earning a subsistence living from the land. The land now blooms for its rightful owners, it’s flourishing and producing. If you have a problem about the Jews right to the land take it up with God, as allah isn’t quite up to the task of taking it back.
            As for the British, the only reason the BD had the force of law is that the Mandate was transferred to British rule.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    When you are kind to the cruel, you are cruel to the kind.

    And Obama is being kind to the cruel sand nazis.

    Google Images “arab n a z i salute”

    • defcon 4

      Most islam0nazis of the world are NOT Arabic. I saw a documentary on Indonesia’s infinitesimally small Jewish community. They deliberately located their synagogue in an area that has the highest concentration of Christians, yet they STILL live in fear. Indonesia’s oldest synagogue was recently and mysteriously burned to the ground.

  • Lanna

    Kerry and Obama’s plan involves Israel giving up more land that is theirs by divine promise to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob by the Great and Powerful Hashem, allowing their enemies better access to attack Israel’s major cities. Jerusalem will be a very heavy stone for all peoples, all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. ~Zecharia 12: 2-9 Evil is going to get its just reward!

  • joshuasweet

    Obama has issued his orders to Kerry to follow the agenda of the Muslim Brotherhood, that leaves no room for an Israel at all.

  • logdon

    The first premise is not to believe a word that Abbas says and proceed from there.

    • carpe diem 36

      the one word you can and have to believe Abbas when he says No Jes on Arab Land. how can it be more clear i do not know. what kerry wants is for Israel to commit Hari Kiri. and Israel will refuse, has to refuse, it did not struggle to bring itself to where it is today only to give it up for the killers of its children. Kerry is trying to earn for himself a Nobel Peace Prize but he will not succeed in that with the sacrifice of Israel. but apparently to him it is worth it. what a Schmuck!!

    • MLCBLOG

      For Kerry, this is not an option.

      • logdon

        Of course it is. Did Kennedy believe Kruschev’s ambassador when he denied missiles in Cuba?

    • Drakken

      In God you trust, everyone else is a suspect, especially the muslims.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Not believe a word Abbas says in ENGLISH.

      What he says in Arabic to his people, THAT is what he believes.

      • defcon 4

        Arafat told the same kind of lies. Of course, lying fits hand in fist w/the mendacious, psychopathic, jew hating ideology that is islam.

        • Matt McLaughlin

          can you blame them? jews have been quarrelsome centuries before the first muslim or christian.

          • defcon 4

            I’m sorry, I don’t buy into your delusional islamic antisemitism.

      • logdon

        I agree absolutely. The MEMRI site does fantastic work translating all the hateful stuff.

        And there’s a book called Deception published by Palestine Media Watch which is chock full of the hate spewed out in the PA media.

        Everybody knows about this yet it is glossed over as no account.

        It’s all a huge charade and the Israelis such as Caroline Glick realise this. Attitudes are changing though.

        As for Two State? Impossible.

        Israel’s best option is to annexe Judea and Samaria, claim all of Jerusalem and tell the rest including the EU and UN to concentrate on something more meaningful such as the slaughter of Christians which is becoming a global genocide against the faith,.

  • sustapha

    Humanity should resist being ruled by the ignorant imbecile folks. There is too much misunderstanding of the original intention design and purpose of the state of the then Children of Israel, who were never called Jews at that period. The intention of Elohim/Jehovah in giving the then Children of Israel Palestine is to drive away the idolatrous Canaanites and Philistines. Did they achieve that? Jewish state began as a result of the then tribe’s intention to defile the Torah- the period of Rehoboam. The division of that land into North Samaria and Judah did not do away with belief in One Elohim/Jehovah. Samaria was a notorious and idolatrous state that forced the levis to migrate to Judah. Had they maintain the Torah, they could not have been taken into captivity.
    Let us put record history straight and stop fooling one another. It is primitive and uncivilized for one to claim a land on exclusiveness. Muhammad never claimed his house after the hijra! All land belongs to Allah. he demands obedience wherever one finds himself.

    • Mickey Oberman

      I smell the odour of an overdose of camel urine.

      • sustapha

        Truly, I advised Rebecca not to water the camel of the servant of Abraham. But she refused. That is the reason you are smelling camel urine. From where did Arabs get the camels?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Truly, I advised Rebecca not to water the camel of the servant of Abraham. But she refused.”

          You are quite the crackpot.

          • defcon 4

            Islam does that to people. Now imagine hundreds of millions of sustaphas.

    • defcon 4

      “All land belongs to Allah”, and by extension muslimes. Who can argue with a position like that? Surely not the najjis kaffir, the untermenschen of islamic ideology.

      • sustapha

        The Children of Israel were in Palestine, Egypt, Palestine, Assyria, Syria, Fadak and finally in Medina 8 kilometers south-east of the present mosque. What was their status then? Christians, atheists, liberals, neo-cons, agnostics? They never believed in Allah!

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Considering the death and destruction Muslims engage int todya, Infidels can only conclude that Muslims worship Satan.

          • sustapha

            Are you saying that you believe in the Lord of the universe according to the Torah? I meant what was revealed to mankind before Muhammad? If the then Jews never fought one another and if Muhammad taught the Torah, then certainly his followers are infidels for they do not obey Moses. Or are you saying that Moses was not a Muslim?

          • defcon 4

            I’m not saying you’re a maroon, but I’m stating it.

          • sustapha

            So be where there is light

    • PhillipGaley

      As I understand it, “allah” is a mere fantasy; and yes, a fantasy can be used as a zero, a place holder, in manipulation of the larger issues, but still and all, there are better considerations, . . .

      • sustapha

        Is your creation a fantasy?

        • PhillipGaley

          As is often recited, man can only “make”, never create, for, “creation” has to do with beginning with nothing, and making something, . . .

          • sustapha

            Phillip! Stop being illiterate. Read the Commentary of the distinguished Scottish Reverend MATTHEW HENRY on the Book of Genesis 1.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Allah is a false moon god. Allah does not exist. Allah comes from Arab paganism. Mohamed was a crackpot.

    • PhillipGaley

      Also, sofar as the comment is to be of any interest, I don’t see how whether the Israelis were then called “Jews”, or no, would make any difference in the price of oolong between Berlin and Cairo; so, . . .

      • sustapha

        Read your rubrics. We should analyze first then understand by drawing conclusions. There is difference between a Jew and the generic tern Children of Israel. Muhammad has nothing to do with them. Correct their story in the Torah first of all, before you blame Muhammad.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          We all blame the prophet of Satan called Muhammed for death and destruction, 9/11, Fort Hood, 7/7/05 London, Pan Am 103, 100,000 dead in Syria, 1,000,000 dead in the 8 year Iraq/Iran war, stoning women to death…

          • sustapha

            I thought Jesus has dealt with Satan. If Satan is still existing then you must blame Jesus and not Muhammad.

          • defcon 4

            I’ll bet you’re the brightest bulb in your madrassah or mosque, which makes you a 25 watt light bulb in the world of the najjis kaffir.

    • Drakken

      With your muzaloid thought process on full display, I am of the school of killem all and let allah(devil) sortem out. There is no peace with you effing savages, so give war a chance, do a lot of Cathage’s and call it a day. Then us infidels while imperfect, will have some semblance of peace.

      • sustapha

        Infidels like the Philistines, Hivites, Horites, Jebusites,Avvites, Amorites. Amalekites? If they were infidels wjo aught them infidelity?

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “It is primitive and uncivilized for one to claim a land on exclusiveness.”

      Liar, they only claim it’s their homeland. Lots of non-Jews live there and even enter politics. Some of them should be kicked out for treason but are not.

      Basically, you are fully of jihadi BS.

      • sustapha

        Stop being obtrusive. It is knowledge, learning rapport, science, facts, that will save us, not prejudice, illiteracy and feeling of supremacy. We are not in rotary age.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Lame robotic response. Some literacy you’ve got going on there. Are you the one to “save” us?

          • sustapha

            I have no interest in discussing with those who are not descendants of Jacob. Trace your route. I am not a slave.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You very much are a slave to Satan.

          • sustapha

            I was with Jesus.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Science to Muslims is HARAM.

          • sustapha

            I quite agree with you for we are yet to know from them the chemical nature of that piece of wood in Exodus 15:25.Incidentally if you are a scientist tell us why according to the Qur’an 13:4 why trees watered from the same source of water bring out fruits with different taste.

          • defcon 4

            And camel urine is a healthy, refreshing beverage whether it’s served hot or cold.

      • sustapha

        The real homeland of the Jews could have been Medina had they stood and upheld the Torah. Was the battle of Ai under Joshua not a Jihad? Please stop insulting our brothers and making inroads to hate them.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “The real homeland of the Jews could have been Medina had they stood and upheld the Torah.”

          Sorry dude. Jerusalem is central to Hebrew faith. Literally.

          “Was the battle of Ai under Joshua not a Jihad?”

          No.

          • sustapha

            Stop talking on behalf of the descendants of Jacob. You are illiterate backwards. That is what precipitated anti-semitism. The world was the house and home of the descendants of Joseph. I will pay you more than you are getting from your sponsors to trigger antisemitism.

          • defcon 4

            Imagine a country where psychopathic koran thumpers like sustapha run the state. Now imagine 57 such states.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            What’s to imagine?

            1.5 billion Muslims should consider there are 6 billion NON Muslims.

            DEATH to iran!

  • http://www.clarespark.com/ Clare Spark

    There will never be a peace agreement that destroys the Jewish state. See subtle anti-Jewish propaganda published by Harvard UP, a distressing sign of elite opinion: http://clarespark.com/2013/12/07/ben-hecht-v-ben-urwand-the-un-jewish-left-and-assimilated-jews/. “Ben Hecht v. Ben Urwand, the un-Jewish Left and assimilated Jews.”

    • sustapha

      Who destroyed Jerusalem before? How many times was it destroyed? If you understanding that Islam is Muhammad, then Muhammad never destroyed Jerusalem.

      • defcon 4

        Bukhari:V4B52N177
        “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘You Muslims will fight the Jews till some of them hide behind stones. The stones will betray them saying, “O Abdullah (slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.”‘”

        Ishaq:441
        “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”‘”

        In Sahih Muslim: Book 041, Number 6985:
        Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

        Bukhari 4,55,547
        “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”

        Put that in your camel’s rump and have a hump.

        • sustapha

          The Right of Education UN art 13 states: “The enjoyment of academic
          freedom carries with it obligations, such as the duty to respect the
          academic freedom of others, to ensure the fair discussion of contrary
          views, and also to treat all without discrimination on any of the
          prohibited grounds.” You people of West and Europe are illiterate and
          ignorant of your creator leading you rejecting him, as if you knew when
          you were formed in the womb of your mothers. What you quoted must be
          explained according to what you you do not know. So how can I deal with
          you? What do you gain you West and Europe by throwing the world in
          turmoil and confusion? It is your colonial deception fear of equality
          and desire to oppress that has lead us to weep and cry all the times. If
          human right protecting the dignity of man sexual exploitation is
          determined and controlled by Education Western civilization and
          Education has so far failed to achieve that.

  • Matt McLaughlin

    fork in the road…democratic or a Jewish state…..can’t be both.

    • steve b

      IF THE “JEWISH STATE” IS NOT DEMOCRATIC, HOW IS IT THAT IT IS FILLED WITH SHOPS AND BUSINESSES OWNED BY ARABS? WHY IS IT THAT MOST OF ISRAEL’S NON-JEWISH POPULATION OD MUSLIMS PREFER TO BE THERE RATHER THAN IN ONE OF THE SURROUNDING ARAB STATES? YOU KNOW NOT OF WHAT YOU SPEAK.

      • carpe diem 36

        when the blizzard hit the people of Gaza called Israel to help them, and they did. the did not call Abbas to come and help, because he and his people in the west bank also called on Israel to help them during the blizzard. if there were no israel whom were they to call on for help? they are israel enemies until they have an emergency. what crappy people!!

    • defcon 4

      Funnily enough Hajji, the only democratic state that has any freedom at all in the entire Mid-East and N. Africa IS the Jewish state of Israel. A freedom of speech, a freedom of religion, a freedom from islam0nazi persecution. The kinds of freedom not seen anywhere in the islam0nazi world.

      • Matt McLaughlin

        We have Bahrain hosting our 5th fleet. Keep dreamin. As for ‘democratic state’ claim…the biggest day in modern Israel’s history was the Balfour Declaration.
        The Balfour Declaration operated enshrouded in secrecy, gave no reasons for the Declaration, outlined
        no conditions – other than those in the Declaration itself – and expected no
        accountability. The Declaration was not debated in either of the Houses of
        Parliament and like most foreign policy issues, was never approved by the
        British legislature.
        That’s not democracy either in England or Palestine.

        • Drakken

          War decides all things in the end, it is about time you bloody well understand that.

        • BenJabo1Machal

          Your are trying to make Israel sound like Obama care,
          it isn’t

    • carpe diem 36

      israel was created so that Jews have a home, so they will no longer have to depend on the kindness of strangers in the Diaspora. if the world cannot live with that it is too bad. the UN voted by a large enough majority to make it happen. and so it will stand. a jewish state, a state for the Jews of the whole world to come to and build a Jewish state.

      • Matt McLaughlin

        carpe diem sounds like israel’s bitch. Its a flash-point for 1.5 billion Muslims. Catholics don’t believe in a modern chosen. thats half the worlds population right there. China don’t give a hoot.
        Internally the opposition to israel has a birthrate higher than that of the Jew Israelis. israel can’t keep things democratic if it intends to remain a Jewish stste, whatever that means, DNA or religion, of which most of Israel is not bound.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Israel should have as many Arabs as Saudi Arabia has Jews, Christians, HIndus.

          I do hope that the UK is overrun by Muslims. Hey, Eurabia is well on its way to fruition.

        • defcon 4

          What’s your excuse for why muslimes “can’t keep things democratic” in any of your various islam0nazis cesspools?

  • Mickey Oberman

    Kerry, in the past has turned on his own country, defiled the honour of the US military, lied about his active duty while in the military and who knows what else he has tainted with his befouling attention.
    Kerry is for Kerry and only Kerry.
    He is, however, a perfect representative of his boss, Barak Hussein Obama.
    Neither of them is above destroying those who trusted them.

  • JVictor

    For the life of me, I cannot understand why Progressives like Kerry, Obama, Carter, Clinton, etc., cannot understand that the Muslims living in Israel have no intention of a “peaceful two-state solution” with Israel. Arafat’s refusal to the deal that would have given him everything he wanted, save the extermination of all Jews and the destruction of Israel, was the only time the leaders of the Muslims living in Israel have been honest enough for the world to see. But the world still refuses to see. Since there is nothing remotely rational in their continued pursuit of the mythical “two-state snipe,” it has to be that the spirit of anti-Messiah drives them in their delusion. This charade will continue ad infinitum and ad nauseaum because the Muslims continue indoctrinating their children that their false prophet and the neo-Babylonian moon god he named Allah demand the conversion or death of all infidels.

    • PhillipGaley

      “why”?

      Well, the real successful cons, in order to be successful—at some psychological level—have to believe their own con, . . . and, they support one another in verbiage, and palm the whole thing—the charade—off on so many of the Am public as will sit there nodding like silly gulls, . . .

    • wildjew

      Of the progressives you mention, I would put Obama in a wholly different category. Obama is not a progressive or a liberal. Truth be known, Obama knows Islam wants to exterminate or subjugate Israel’s Jews in the same manner Christians and Jews lived and died under the thumb of Islam for centuries. Obama boasted to the Muslim World (June 2009 at al-Azhar University), he came from generations of Muslims on his father’s side of the family. Obama told the Muslim world, “my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and at the fall of dusk…..And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear….”

      The loony left is the loony left. Except for Obama. Obama is a true believer. I worry more about my side; conservatives. Why do self-professed conservatives provide aid and cover for the global jihad? Why did George W. Bush (I voted for him in 2000) support the jihad against Israel after the 9/11 attacks? Why did Bush codify his support for the jihad in our national party platform, August 2004? Why did John McCain re-affirm our support for the jihad in 2008? Why did Mitt Romney fight conservative Christians on our national platform writing committee (August 2012) for murderous peoples whom Gingrich challenged Romney are an invented people and terrorists dedicated to Israel’s destruction? I don’t worry as much about the left. I worry about my side.

      • JVictor

        You make a very valid point about both Conservatives and the loony left kowtowing to the Muslims. There is absolutely no rational reason for thinking that they will ever change their positions on Israel, infidels, and Jerusalem. So, why is everyone so afraid to call a spade a spade?
        Secondly, I remember the remarks by Obama that you cited. His formative years were spent in places where anti-western, anti-Semitic, and anti-Israel ideology were espoused regularly. Who knows, he may have been a childhood participant in a “Vacation Jihadi School” on more than one occasion. His actions certainly can lead one to make that conclusion.

    • MLCBLOG

      Liberalism is a mental disorder.

      • Matt McLaughlin

        God tol W to attack saddam but its the others that are a mental disorder. roger, check that, Einstein.

  • arishsahani

    Mr Kerry should get a history lesson .Most nation in past destroyed none but local convert to islam by saudis . This war game is full proof and d non transferable. Death of nation is certain will take time but will happen US is next in me as per islam.

    • MLCBLOG

      Really hard to make out your English.

      • defcon 4

        It’s nothing more than a long version of “Hassan chop!”.

    • Drakken

      Your islam will be your undoing, welcome to the new Crusades hajji.

      • sustapha

        Even if the Torah is found again?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Every synagogue has one or more Torahs.

          What are you trying to say?

          • defcon 4

            In would only make sense in the context of his delusional, islamic Jew hatred.

          • defcon 4

            He’s saying that the Torah as known now is corrupt, because, after all, it conflicts w/what muhammad has revealed to the world.

  • Drakken

    There will never ever be peace between the Jews and muzaloids and that is the bloody fact. Israel, quite effing around with these goddamn savages and wipe them out once and for all time an call it a day.

  • Leland64

    Israel, like your country? You can keep it, period! What could go wrong? Would Obama and/or Kerry lie? Trust the current US administration at your own risk.

  • dansama

    Enough of this two-state garbage. Give all Palestinians 72 hours to leave Israel (All of it) entirely or accept military help in doing so.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      I am grateful that mosques in the US are monitored since they have a history of promoting jihad and terrorism.

      Look at Fort Hood, Boston Marathon, Times Square SUV bombing, 1993 truck bombing of the WTC…

  • John E Coleman

    If possible , does someone have any idea , of what religion John Kerry may be ?

    Muslim ? Or none at all ?

    • defcon 4

      I wonder how many US politicians are closeted islam0nazis.

      • John E Coleman

        Defcon 4 ” This is alfa/ 1st. bat , 6th ”

        A DAM GOOD QUESTION ! Over >>>> and >>

        Semper Fi

        • defcon 4

          So that would be a battery of 105′s? Or 155′s?
          Thank you for your service.

          • John E Coleman

            Def-4 ,That would be a Large Group of Marines, 2nd MD. stationed @ Jacksonville ,NC.
            I had the Honor of wearing a Poogie Rope and another Honor of / mos / 317
            The only artillery I knew anything about was of the smaller , Bolt action , Ultra Long Range Variety

            One & One !
            Semper Fi

          • defcon 4

            I see, 1st battalion, not first battery. Is the Jacksonville, NC location Camp LeJeune?

          • John E Coleman

            Thats Right and MD is for Marine Division !
            Now I would ask a question of you ? Sir !
            Why do you ask all these questions ?

          • John E Coleman

            Defcon 4 , You may also have ?? of the Poogie rope ??
            May I suggest ; The Battle of Bellaue Wood , 1918 Paris France ! look it up, it makes for good reading !

          • John E Coleman

            Defcon , There isn’t much else in Jacksonville !

  • John E Coleman

    The underhanded way he is trying to SCAM the Jews , this only leaves him with
    One of the two choices

  • logdon

    More here

    Obama ‘Would Abandon Israel Just Like South Vietnam’

    by Ari Soffer

    Recent
    months have seen the Obama administration face sharp criticism from the
    USA’s traditional Middle Eastern allies over its foreign policy.

    Almost all regional leaders outside of Damascus and Tehran have
    watched in horror as American pressure on Iran over its nuclear program
    crumbled, just months after the administration’s “red line” on Syria
    rapidly blurred and disappeared. From Riyadh to Jerusalem, the US
    President’s policies have been slammed and derided as weak and
    uncertain.

    Coming after the astonishing ease with which the Obama
    administration threw its long-time Egyptian ally Hosni Mubarak under a
    bus – and then subsequent proved woefully unable to decide whether it
    backed Morsi’s Islamists or Sisi’s military establishment as a
    replacement – the conclusion that Washington was either confused or
    lacking in conviction seemed a fairly logical one.

    nd ‘the Redeemer will come unto Zion’,” he quipped.

  • WhiteHunter

    Netanyahu should have refused to meet with Kerry. He should have told the sneering, America- and Israel-hating liar/braggart/traitor that he had a pedicure appointment that he simply couldn’t reschedule.

    • Bert

      You are right but Netanyahu is incapable of standing up to Kerry and Obama. Netanyahu pleads that Kerry’s proposals will endanger Israel but Kerry and Obama want to do exactly that. Netanyahu should demand Israel’s rights but he is too timid and self debased to show real backbone. It is only the Arabs who show iron resolve in their determination to destroy Israel.

  • Matibob

    This is the result you get when you send Lurch to do a man’s job.

  • Walter Sieruk

    What Obama and Kerry don’t understand or maybe want to understand that even the idea of a “land for peace” policy for the State of Israel is a hoax. For history has shown that such a “land for peace” plain has not worked and there is no rational reason to believe that it will work in the future. For in any so called “negotiations” the leaders of the”Palestinians” will speak the truth only when it happens to suite them. The rest of the time they will be lying and saying half- truths. In other words in any “dialouge” they will be very disingenous and will dissimulate. The “Palestiinian” leaders will take any land that they may be given asa result of the “peace meetings” and let the jihadists use that land as a base to launch murderous rocket attacks into Israel. As, for example, the case of Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon. This type of “peace plain’ is nothing new it is as old as the Bible. For in Psalm 55:20,21. it reads “Such men do violence to those at peace with them and break their promised word; their speech is smoother then butter but their thoughts are of war.” [NEB]

    • defcon 4

      The sickening reality is I imagine the zero and lurch are completely aware of what the paleswine would do if given any more land “for peace”.

  • SantosGarcia
  • Carmine Fragione

    When the English came to America, there was no war with the Indians, When the Americans wanted Independence, then the British used a strategy to enlist the Six Nations of Native American Indians to fight the Colonists to defeat America. Then the American Colonists and the Indians were set against each other in a continual war, where some Indian Tribes merged with America and others resisted and were wiped out. But to revise the real history to say Americans came with the plan to destroy the Indians to take the land is a fraudulent use of information .

  • tartansailor

    Nice if we could find a Palestinian homeland in Iran for ALL Palestinians.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Let Eurabia become the home for all “palestinians”.

      After all Eurabia loves “palestinians”.

      • defcon 4

        What about the amoral, apathetic lieberals of the USA? Why shouldn’t they get to enjoy the multicultural fun and company of the islam0nazis they support?

    • marvin boggs

      Jordan was supposed to be the “Palestinian” homeland. it’s over 70% “Palestinian”.
      Regardless,when the UN-Britain reformed Israel,the Arabs REFUSED the creation of a State of “Palestine” for the “Palestinians”. Also,when the Arabs-muslims invaded the new Israel in 1948,they ordered their own people to flee their homes and would not allow them to return when the conflict was over,thereby ABANDONING their lands and homes. With those acts, they voluntarily gave up any claim they had.

  • Daniel Simpson

    Youtube- “President Barack Obama’s First Ad of 2012″ -you see Barack riding Pegasus! Pegasus means thunder, lightning! Isaiah 14:12:19! In Islamic traditions white horse also known as “thunder”, Also known in Islamic traditions as “buraq” or “Barack”,known in Greek mythology as “pegasus” Strongs . 1299 baraq 1116 bamah Isaiah 14:12:19 Obama’s stage at the 2008 Democratic convention was designed in the style of the Pergamon Altar, the seat of Satan, on top of the stadium was the white horse Revelation 6:2

  • handsomedan

    SOS JOHN KERRY LIES WHENEVER HE OPENS HIS MOUTH . WHAT A PHONEY .

  • handsomedan

    95% OF ALL POLITICIANS ARE PITIFUL . LIBERAL DEMOCRATS , CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS AND LIBERTARIANS . THEY ALL LIE LIE AND TELL MORE LIES . JUST PITIFUL !!!!!!!

  • Tom Skylark

    http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/211821 POST 131 POST 131 Israel’s security is at stake!