Kerry’s Slander of ‘Illegitimate’ Israeli Settlements

kerThe Israeli-Palestinian “peace talks” have reportedly hit a rough patch. The talks on Tuesday were said to have “ended in a row, with raised voices and the exchange of verbal insults.”

It started last week when Israel released the second batch of Palestinian security prisoners, all of whom were serving time for murder or attempted murder. They were welcomed as heroes in Ramallah. Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas shook each freed prisoner’s hand, and they were awarded generous cash grants on top of the stipends they already receive.

Meanwhile, in an attempt to allay outrage particularly on the more right-leaning side of his coalition, Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu announced the building of 3500 housing units for Israelis—all of them either in East Jerusalem or West Bank (Judea and Samaria) settlement blocs. Several Israeli officials claimed the Palestinian side had already consented to such construction as a quid pro quo for the prisoner releases.

Tuesday’s dustup in the talks was said to have erupted over that issue. The Palestinian negotiators claimed their side had never agreed to such a quid pro quo and slammed the construction itself. Many reports said the talks on the whole were on the verge of collapse.

A few hours later, on Tuesday afternoon, U.S. secretary of state John Kerry arrived in Israel in an effort to salvage the situation.

He lost no time taking the Palestinian side.

For one thing, he claimed that “at no time” had the Palestinians consented to any Israeli building beyond the 1949 armistice lines—even, it was implied, as a concession in return for Israel’s wholesale freeing of terrorists.

Kerry also stated, immediately after discussions with Abbas: “Let me emphasize at this point the position of the United States of America on the settlements is that we consider them…to be illegitimate.”

Considering that about half a million Israelis now live in Jerusalem neighborhoods that are dubbed “settlements” and in West Bank communities, which include full-fledged towns like Modi’in Illit (pop. 59,000), Beitar Illit (pop. 46,000), Maale Adumim (pop. 39,000), Ariel (pop. 18,000) and others, and considering that in some of these areas Israelis are subjected to frequent, potentially lethal rock- and firebomb-throwing attacks, along with actual lethal and near-lethal shooting, beating, and stabbing attacks in recent months (here, here, here, and here), the charge that all Israeli Jewish residence in these places is “illegitimate” is serious indeed and seemingly incendiary and dangerous.

Kerry is not the first Obama-administration official to have used that term to describe communities comprising half a million Israelis; others were his predecessor as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, and, while she was UN ambassador, Susan Rice.

Is the description accurate? The question is complicated by the fact that it has never been clear what “illegitimate” means. If it’s code for “illegal,” the legality of Israeli communities beyond the 1949 armistice lines (often called the “1967 borders”) has been affirmed by international-law experts Eugene Rostow, Stephen Schwebel, Julius Stone, and others.

And as noted by Alan Baker, a former legal adviser to the Israeli Foreign Ministry and former Israeli ambassador to Canada:

The Palestinian leadership, in the still valid 1995 Interim Agreement (Oslo 2), agreed to, and accepted Israel’s continued presence in Judea and Samaria pending the outcome of the permanent status negotiations, without any restriction on either side regarding planning, zoning or construction of homes and communities.

So if these Israeli communities are legal under international law, and the Palestinian side is on record accepting their existence and development in an internationally ratified document, it is hard to see what the “illegitimacy” charge is supposed to indicate.

Meanwhile neither Kerry nor any other Obama-administration official has been heard to even question the “legitimacy” of the Palestinian Authority publicly celebrating, lauding, and financially rewarding freed murderers of Israelis. It was, indeed, Kerry himself who severely pressured Israel (see here and here) to take the measure of freeing them in the first place.

In other words, a bad stench of twisted morality arises from Kerry’s ongoing push for “peace.”

“I can tell you,” Kerry said this week in Israel, “that President Obama and I are determined, and neither of us will stop in our efforts to pursue the possibility (of peace).”

Can peace be built on the glorification of murder and on the defamation of half a million people who are already under attack?

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  • Silver Gonzales

    These towns in J&S are as much settlements as Boston is still a settlement, built on lands due by displacing the Massachusett people who were never part of the upper class Boston Brahmin blueblood thieves, purveyors of fiats such as the Forbes and Delanos.

    Mr. John Forbes Kerry has lead a charmed life. Another “lifer” in DC. 29 years in the senate!! Like Orrin Hatch ( 38 yrs ), Joseph Biden ( 40 yrs), and his Highness Charles Rangell (43 yrs) and ex-lifer bathhouse boy Barney’s Frank ( 42 yrs).

    HAVE THE PEOPLE OF MASSACHUSETTS NO SHAME for electing and re-electing this lawyer/yachtsman/man about town/gentleman?

    By opening his blueblood mouth like this, he is putting young children in danger. At least 5 Israelis will be killed because of this imbecile.

    In 1967, Jordan attacked Israel because of Nasser’s lying Muslim mouth. Israel countered and both Syria and Iraq refused to save King Hussein’s royal derriere. He lost half his kingdom in 3 hours.

    But Israel has always refuses to annex J&S not to displease the USA and the EU ( both bankrupt financially and soon to be morally) so we cannot say it is without blame.

    • glennd1

      Ahh, I see, the real problem is that the rest of the world objects to the Zionists finishing their campaign of cleansing and colonization, got it. Since we won’t go along with it this brutal oppression, slaughter and theft of land and property, the settlements and other non-stop predations on Arab Muslims living in Palestine are justified.

      I wonder, do you see what a bizarre moral universe you live in? All Zionist actions are justified, all actions opposing it are corrupt and evil. Thankfully, the truth is coming out and people as vicious and dishonest as you are becoming less and less common.

      The U.S will abandon the Zionist project soon. And then vicious loudmouths like you can fight it out in the desert with the Arabs – good luck. Just know that a large and fast growing number of Americans are learning the truth and will abandon the vicious Zionists sooner than you think.

      • JoJoJams

        well, we completely disagree on this stuff….

        • glennd1

          Fair enough.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Happy Eternal Nakba!

      • 1Indioviejo1

        The rest of the “world” you mention is the same people who stood by the Holocaust, or marshalled progroms in Russia, Ukraine, Bieloruss, Poland, Hungary, and on and on. Remember the St. Louis being turned away by the “whole” world? Perhaps the “world” is due for another world war, only this time with nukes. Maybe that is what the apocalypse is all about.

        • BagLady

          … and will this new world war still be all about you?

          • Gee

            No stupid – this will be the one that we have to fight because you racist morons support fascism AGAIN

          • glennd1

            I’m a racist and a fascist? It’s you who supports a religious supremacist regime.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            We don’t support Islamofascism and Socialist SHlTler Grand Mufti. You and your pals do.

          • glennd1

            No I don’t. I’m anti-Islamist and anti-Zionist. Over and over and over again, the same moronic nonsense. You’ve been calling me a leftist for years dikwad, what is wrong with you? Do you have a cognitive deficit of some sort?

          • StanleyT

            Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. You clearly have no problem with a group of Arabs calling themselves “Palestinian” demanding a state of their own. Your only concern is to do away with the one and only Jewish state in the world. You can kid yourself, but you’re not kidding anyone else. And if you need an authority on the subject, my first sentence comes from Martin Luther King.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “I’m anti-Islamist and anti-Zionist.

            glennda, Where are your anti-Islamist posts?

            Provide some links – or are you full of SHlTler?
            .

          • JacksonPearson

            Without any doubt…

          • Drumgoole

            Glennd1, you are an absolute liar and idiot. Your use of hyperbole in your initial post is beyond despicable and nothing you said was true. You are a racist and delusional bigot who sees everything that Israel does as wrong. Your admission that you are anti-Zionist qualifies you as an upstanding Nazi.

          • Drakken

            Look in the mirror dumbazz, you will see a boot licking rag head lover.

          • defcon 4

            I didn’t know Gee supported islam0fascism!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “It’s you who supports a religious supremacist regime.”

            Stop projecting glennda.

            We don’t support your “islamic republic of pakistan or iran”.

            Happy Eternal Nakba!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The new world war will be about defeating islamofascism and socialism which have killed hundreds of millions, especially Islamofascism over 1,400 years.

            Ask Hindus what they think of Islamism.

          • defcon 4

            Better than a 2nd Holocaust at the hands of your fellow islam0nazis.

      • StanleyT

        You have completely drunk the “Palestinian” koolaid. The “settlements” are built on empty land that was given to the Jews by the League of Nations under the Mandate for Palestine. There is NO ethnic cleansing – consider this: before 1948, Jews and Arabs lived all over the Holy Land. After 1948, Jews and Arabs lived in Israel, with Arabs making up 20% of the total population, a figure that still stands today. Number of Jews living in the parts of the Holy Land grabbed by Jordan and Egypt: 0. A big fat ZERO! Who the F is guilty of ethnic cleansing.

        I get truly angry when I see the kind of claims you make here. There is also NO brutal oppression – 97% “Palestinians” are ruled by their own leaders, either Hamas or the PA, so if anyone is oppressing them, it’s themselves.

        If you refuse to see this or to educate yourself about the reality, then you have clearly aligned yourself with the Jew haters of this world.

        • BagLady

          Stop speaking to the non-Jewish world as though we are stupid. Palestinians are not ‘ruled ‘by their own people but by the whims of their extremely unfriendly, but very powerful, neighbours with the full backing of the US and Europe. The civilized world ditched tribalism a long time ago and it’s time you did the same. Utterly ridiculous to believe you can only live among people of the same silly beliefs as you. In fact it all stinks of intolerance and arrogance. Traits I found quite prevalent in the young Israelis I met on my travels around the world.

          • Gee

            Considering that the Arabs started calling themselves ‘Palestinians’ something they can neither write or pronounced in 1964, your statement is without a fact or merit

          • glennd1

            Before 1948, people living in Palestine often were referred to as Arab Palestinians or Jewish Palestinians. Calling people who live their Palestinians is accurate and culturally consistent. Just because it wasn’t a western style “state” does not mean Palestine didn’t exist, dingbat.

          • StanleyT

            It was never an independent state. It had never ruled itself, never had its own currency, never had any borders.

          • glennd1

            exactly, and?

          • StanleyT

            and that proves that the state of “Palestine” has never existed. Scroll up to your previous post and you will see what I was replying to. Your anti-Semitism is truly rotting your brain.

          • glennd1

            Nobody claims the state of Palestine ever existed. It’s a red herring and proves nothing that there was none. Until the start of political Zionism in about 1880, the Jewish population of Palestine had been 2-3% for over 1000 years. Even in 1917, there were only 54,000 Jews in Palestine versus the over 600,000 Arab Muslims who lived there.

            Many of the villages and bedouin tribes in Palestine could trace their families back centuries to their lands. The massive influx of Jews into Palestine in a mere 50 years was an invasion with the express purpose of setting up a majority Jewish state. A majority Jewish state could never be set up without “transferring” large numbers of Muslims out of Palestine. The dream of Eretz Israel always included the ethnic cleansing of Arab Muslims from Jewish claimed lands.

            That’s the point. The fact that there was no Palestinian state is irrelevant. It’s also an old trope created by Zionists to try and distract from the truth. Try to at least do something more original or current. Like try telling me that the war is really about fighting Jihad and Al Qaeda or something. That’s the latest lie. Or that Iran is a bloodthirsty nation set on suicidal war.

            You can do better with your lies, come on, give it a try.

          • StanleyT

            You accuse me of lying, but you write this: ‘A majority Jewish state could never be set up without “transferring” large numbers of Muslims out of Palestine. ”

            That is absolute and utter BS. A majority Jewish state could have been set up with close settlement of Jews – and that’s exactly what was happening until the Arabs attacked in 1948. If the Arabs had accepted a Jewish state in the Holy Land, they could have been as prosperous as Israel. Instead, they have sentenced themselves – and continue to sentence themselves – to lives of misery. They would rather hate the Jews than love themselves.

          • glennd1

            You have no idea what you are talking about. Look up “Plan Dalet” – based on Israeli govt records. The Arab Armies didn’t even attack until over 300,000 Arab Muslims were already cleansed from their homes. The lies you are repeating are seriously straight out of Joan Peters “From Time Immemorial” – a 30+ yr old account that has been utterly debunked. You really should go learn something before speaking like this.

            Aren’t you embarrassed to be so ignorant about something you are so passionate about? Just go watch the Benny Morris lecture I put in a link to elsewhere on this thread.

          • StanleyT

            When the UN announced the Partition Plan, Arabs immediately began attacking Jews. That is HISTORY! You can rewrite it all you like, and you can deny Jews the right of self-defence as loudly as you want, you cannot rewrite history. (Your new claim about all those Arabs being cleansed is ludicrous!)

            And before you insist I read Benny Morris, who is now desperately trying to save his reputation, I insist you read some genuine history. Get Ephraim Karsh’s “Palestine Betrayed” and then let’s talk.

          • glennd1

            Ephraim Karsh is as radical as Illan Pappe – I quote Morris on purpose. He’s considered an accurate historian by people on all side of the debate for the most part.

          • StanleyT

            Have you read Karsh’s “Palestine Betrayed”? Ignore the man’s writing, read the footnotes. Read the reference material from British archives.

            Until you’ve done that, you have no right to comment on him. Oh, sorry, what was that? You can say what you like based on what you’ve heard from other sources?

            And yet you insist that I read Blumenthal? But the difference is that anything you may have heard criticizing Karsh will have come from sources you like. The criticism of Blumenthal that I keep referring to came from an anti-Zionist – one of your preferred sources!

            You lose, loser.

            As for Morris being considered “an accurate historian”, that’s a joke. Even Morris himself doesn’t consider himself “an accurate historian” and has admitted to mistakes. What’s more, there is ample evidence of his use of half quotes and misuse of archival material. Of course, the sources of this evidence are, in your opinion, biased, right?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Jews lived in Israel LONG before the sand terrorist mohamemd came on the scene.

            Any euro, African or Asian who lives in North America should take their own words to heart and end their brutal and racist occupation of Native American land.

          • Drakken

            The Jews came and conquered, to the victors go the spoils, especially after the arabs tried to destroy them numerous times. So if your feeling guilty about it, go hug a rag head in the nearest Islamic cesspool of your choice, I’ll watch and laugh at you.

          • StanleyT

            “Nobody claims the state of Palestine ever existed”
            But that’s exactly what you did claim in the post above.
            anti-Semitism rots the brain.

          • defcon 4

            There is no such people as paleswine — they are muslime Arabs.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            and your fascism makes you FUGLY too.

          • Silver Gonzales

            Israelis do not like to travel the world to see garbage cans. They can see that in Gaza.

            Arab Muslim leaders are vile and mean and ugly. That are their good qualities.

          • glennd1

            You know you are a bigot, right? I mean, every sentence of supremacists and hateful rhetoric you spew makes it crystal clear.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Oh dear. Being a bigot against sand nazis!

            What is the world coming to?

            Google Images “arab n a z i salute”

          • glennd1

            Okay, got it you are a bigot too. I wonder, do the people you work with know that about you? Your kids? Your neighbors? Aren’t you ashamed to be a bigot? How can you wear it as a badge of honor?

          • StanleyT

            Interesting how you, who demonstrates your own remarkable bigotry with every post, refer to everyone else as bigots.

          • glennd1

            Do you see how you conflate criticism of Zionism with bigotry? Do you think that is slick or goes unnoticed? It doesn’t – it makes it clear you are a thug who’s willing to use bigotry as a weapon against those who disagree with you, just like the leftists do to the right all the time.

          • defcon 4

            Bigotry against islam and islam0nazis isn’t. Because the actions of muslimes all over the world, in every islamic state, against the najjis kaffir, deserve nothing but hate and contempt.

          • glennd1

            At least you are honest – you are a bigot, you just have special reasons that justify your bigotry, got it. Thanks for letting us know you are a savage.

          • defcon 4

            “special reasons” for special people like you Fatima.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            glennda, We see the work of your friends in the 100,000+ dead Syrians – of Arabs killing Arabs.

          • Mimi Mayes

            Savage? That’s reserved for headchoppers and heart-eaters. Get a clue.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Bigot? FDR, Churchill were bigoted against Socialist Germans? You got a problem with that FASCIST?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            glennda,

            I support Israels right to resist islamofascism and eurotrash fascism.

            Based on your posts we all know you are a self righteous terrorist supporting bigot.

            Do your co-wankers know that about you? Your neighbors? Children? Aren’t you ashamed to be a racist bigot? How can you support people who hijack passenger planes and fly them into buildings? Do you have no shame?

          • defcon 4

            Funnily enough, you never express any disdain for the rabid Jew hatred found in all the islamic holey books of hate, even those of a genocidal nature.

          • Drakken

            Your a funny leftard, using that race and bigot card every time you don’t get your way, how quaint.

          • Mimi Mayes

            Subhuman headchopping evil lying savages who should be eradicated from the world.

          • dartson

            “The civilized world ditched tribalism a long time ago and it’s time you did the same. Utterly ridiculous to believe you can only live among people of the same silly beliefs as you. In fact it all stinks of intolerance and arrogance”

            You have just described Saudi Arabia where no churches or synagogues are allowed and, in fact, the most of the Muslim world. Thank you.

          • StanleyT

            So you met few Israelis. Have you been to israel? Have you been to Ramallah, Jericho, or PA ruled areas? If not, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You may not be stupid, but your post makes you look as if you are.

          • Drakken

            He has never been outside of his city limits much less the middle east, so he reads what every leftist pali lover has to say and takes it as gospel, and then he thinks he knows what he is talking about, Priceless!

          • iluvisrael

            It’s the arabs who call for the destruction of Israel on a daily basis you demented hag.

          • glennd1

            Great way to put it. I’m in the midst of Max Blumenthal’s recent book, Goliath, and yikes, it’s a terrifying read. Most Americans have no idea the real system of official oppression that the Israeli govt operates over non-Jews inside Israel and in larger Palestine. If they went there and saw how any non=-Jew was treated by the ever-present security forces, how anyone critical of the actions of Zionists is treated as an enemy of the state – Americans would be horrified.

            I’m embarrassed to say I was just like them once. But then I decided to study the actual history of the region – and when I actually got to the story of political Zionism, a it began in the late 19th century, it was clear as a bell that it was campaign of invasion, occupation, colonization and cleansing. There is no other way to describe it – that’s exactly what the Zionists did.

            It’s sad actually. I was 39 years old when 9/11 happened, and it was 9/11 that made me look much more deeply into the actual history of the mideast, the Muslims, the Zionists and the U.S. involvement there. The more I read, the more I realized how badly I’d been lied to over the years by so many on the right, and I wa shocked. And then I learned about the Faustian bargain the evangelicals have made with the Zionists to bring about the 3rd temple and realized why so many hardcore rightwingers were emphatic about supporting Israel – many do so purely for their own religious purposes.

            It’s really a big lie and con job top to bottom. What’s most awful about it is that he cover was blown in the ’80s, by Jews. Just as happened in the U.S., the Israeli govt was forced to open it’s intelligence files and declassify much of what it had hidden behind “security” concerns for decades. The truth has been out for years and i well known in most of the civilzed world. Really, it’s only in the U.S. that it isn’t better known, and that is directly due to a weird confluence of some lefists, hardcore Zionists and evango Christians.

            Get to the truth folks, do your research.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Reading Mad Max’s book is like reading Mein Kampt.

            The Arabic translation of Mein Kampf is a Best Seller in the Islamofascist world.

            That’s why they love to do those n a z i salutes.

            Google Images “arab n a z i salute”

          • glennd1

            Who are you arguing with? I don’t defend the Arabs. I merely note where they’ve been attacked and wronged. You, on the other hand, are an embarrassment to the entire human race, A cancer which we are trying to rid ourselves of known as the bigot. The xenophobe. The ethno-supremacist. Zionism was and is about building a Jewish state – and that is an innately illiberal idea, in conflict with basic American values. You are welcome to it, just don’t tell me Americans have to support it. We don’t, I don’t and I will speak loudly about it until more right wingers know the truth.

          • Mojo

            Glennd1 , what crap , you are not an American you phony Camel riding maggot . Wash the dirty sheet you are wearing .

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You think you’re clever? LOL!

            Goosestep and shriek about Israel, but anyone can read the newspapers, see on TV or the Internet and learn about past and latest atrocity committed by Islamofascists against innocent people.

            Knock yourself out pal.

            Google Images “arab n a z i salute”

          • Drakken

            Where ever the arabs have been attacked and so called wronged, they have richly deserved everything they have got and deserve far more. Your defense of these effing savages really does say it all.

          • StanleyT

            Oh of course, you of all people would LOVE Max Blumenthal’s horrible, hysterical, nonsensical screen. Even Israel haters are panning it, with one saying that it could have been published by the “Hamas Book of the Month” club.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Mad Max proves that Affirmative Action cripples to self hating JINOs too.

          • glennd1

            How sick that whole line of reasoning is. Instead of dealing with his criticism and his arguments, you just lump him in with an entire class of people who are defective to you only because they disagree with you. That is fascism and bigotry. Wake up, look in the mirror, it is you who is the problem, not me.

          • Mojo

            Glendd1 , why aren’t you back in your country killing Sunni’s or some other sect ? Your Imam will find you and the people of Mohamud will cut your you know what and put it in your mouth .

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            glennda, The fact that you think that Mad Max is someone to admire reveals your own shameful racist and bigoted personality defects.

          • glennd1

            Have you read Goliath? Do you have a single factual refutation of it?

          • StanleyT

            If the Jew haters criticize it, I have no need to read it. Here’s the source. http://www.thenation.com/blog/176723/israel-haters-handbook-continued#

          • glennd1

            Nobody said you had a need to read it. But that does not remove the obligation to have read it if you are going to comment on it. You see, you can’t offer a comment about it because you have no idea what Blumenthal has to say. Which pretty much makes you a loudmouth and thug. Try using reason and facts instead of hyperbole, you might find you actually begin to actually make sense.

            As for the book. there is no doubt that Blumenthal is highly critical of the Zionist experiment in all its glory. But if you haven’t read it, what you wouldn’t know is that this is outweighed by the huge number of interviews and factual citations in the book. He lived in a number of locations in Israel and the territories for more than a year. He speaks with many Israeli politicians, activists and journalists and its their words and deeds which show a side of Israel many Americans do not hear about.

            I wonder if you realize that every person on the comment section here who has criticized Blumenthal’s book hasn’t read it? I posted some info on it on another thread and must have had 20 bad comments about it – but none had read it there either. Tell me what he’s missing, what he’s wrong about, where he’s being dishonest or leaving things out. But here all I’ve gotten is name calling and slurs.

          • defcon 4

            I’ve heard enough muslime Arabs ranting and raving about destroying Israel (incl. Arab leaders) to know what the motivations and genocidal end game of islam0nazis is for Israel. It’s not much different than what the Nazis tried to do, but you’re not going to be doing it Ahmed, no matter how vivid your islam0nazis delusions of grandeur.

          • glennd1

            Are you real? Or are you just a hatebot committed to spew inanity against anyone who disagrees with Zionism? It’s hard to know, you are so nasty and ignorant I have a hard time imagining a real person as disgusting as you.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            We know that King David, a Jew, defeated Goliath.

            We know that 6,000,000 Israelis are able to defeat 500,000,000 Arabs.

            We know that even if there are no Jews around Arabs are aroused to kill fellow Arabs as in Syria.

          • Drakken

            Exactly what I thought, read every goddamn leftist communist author there is and think you know what your talking about without leaving your couch, how utterly pathetic and ignorant.

          • defcon 4

            A “terrifying” read. LOL. Maybe you should point that out to the Christians of Mid-East and N. Africa, you know, the ones who are being slaughtered, raped and kidnapped by your fellow islam0nazis. Obviously, they don’t know what real terror is.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Mad Max’s book has a place of honor on your bookshelf next to mein kampf.

          • defcon 4

            What? The holey quran doesn’t get a place of honor?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            ScumBagLady / BurqaLady,

            Get back to your bunker and play Eva Braun, April 1945.

          • defcon 4

            You didn’t met them in Soddy Barbaria though, and I’m certain you don’t have any problem with why.

          • Drakken

            Goes to show you, that the muslim is either at your feet or at your throat, always better to have them under your boot. You useful idiots on the left openly side with the very savages that will kill you in the end, and for that I openly despise traitors like you. You deserve your fate.

          • Mojo

            Bag lady , your travel around the world ? Can your camel go around the world after you load your tent and six dirty little Islamic terror trained urchins on it’s back?

          • Omar

            And Israelis are oppressed by Iranian Islamists who repeatedly deny the Holocaust and advocate for the destruction of the Jewish state. The Islamists in Iran have the full support of neo-Communist Russia and Communist China, two rogue Marxist regimes that are upset because Communism lost the Cold War. Why don’t you learn from facts instead of repeating Communist propaganda.

          • Drumgoole

            You are stupid and an intolerant piece of you know what.

        • glennd1

          Let me try and crank down the hyperbole for a second. Have you read Benny Morris’s 1948? Do you have any idea what is accepted by Israeli, Zionist historians and Israeli govt officials as the truth of 1948 and afterwards now?

          There is a recent video of a presentation Morris did at the LSE in London. He lays out the facts – and remember, he’s a Jewish, Israeli Zionist who now states the the real problem is that the Zionists didn’t go far enough in their campaign of cleansing.

          Here’s the video. http://youtu.be/oEn2o_Jr3VA Watch it, I dare you. And then come back and try and tell me what you wrote above is true. I dare you to challenge yourself. If you are so sure you are right, then you should be able to watch Morris and come back and tell me where he’s all wrong. But the truth is that you have no idea what you are talking about and are also happy to repeat lies to support your cause.

          Ignorance and bigotry are usually best friends…

          • iluvisrael

            The ‘ethnic cleansing’ you rave about isn’t working out too well – the muslims multiply like cockroaches with their eight or ten kids each (they always have a few extra to blow themselves up)

          • glennd1

            And that statement proves what? Other than you are a bigot for calling the Muslims cockroaches. Very similar to the way Nazis and Communists dehumanized their political opponents, fyi. Just in case you missed it.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Since Arabs/Muslims call Jews the “sons of pigs and apes”, in their koran, at islamofascist rallies, calling Sand Nazis cockroaches is appropriate.

          • defcon 4

            LOL, typical muslime hypocrisy. Does not allah say the Jews are “descendants of apes and swine”, the most “despised” of people?

          • Drakken

            Your taking the high moral ground really is amusing, perhaps you will enjoy being buried in it. All people, religion and cultures are all not equal dumbazz.

          • StanleyT

            Benny Morris has recanted.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “Ignorance and bigotry are usually best friends…”

            Hence the Red/Green Axis.

          • defcon 4

            You’re a one trick pony aren’t you? You expect us to ignore the calls for a genocide of Jews in Hamas, the fact that there are three “authentic” islamic hadith that support it and that Jews have been ethnically cleansed from every islamic state in the Mid-East and N. Africa in favor of one dishonest joker’s premise that Israel is the problem?

          • Drakken

            Instead of reading leftist useful idiots for authors, maybe you should get your fat azz off the couch and go there for a few months so you can actually see for yourself the idiocy of supporting a bunch of Islamic sub humans. The only one ignorant is you window licker. Durka Durka Durka.

        • BagLady

          “The “settlements” are built on empty land that was given to the Jews by the League of Nations under the Mandate for Palestine”

          The British said much the same thing about Diego Garcia before they handed it over to America, ignoring the very ‘existence of the Chagossians.

          In the late 19th century, Tell al-Safi was described as a village built of adobe brick with a well in the valley to the north. James Hastings notes that the modern village prior to its depopulation also contained a sacred walī….”
          (just one example of a ‘non-existent’ village).

      • Silver Gonzales

        The US may abandon Israel. As long as Israel has prepared for this day then what is the problem? Israel like all foreign countries should not accept worthless US toilet paper. Sadly they need it to buy oil.

        And yes Jew hate is growing in the US. Another reason why Israel must prepare to say ciao to the US one day.

        As for Palestine, it deserves a Carthage every day of the week.

        • glennd1

          Perfectly clear what an immoral thug you are from your comment, thanks for not trying to hide behind more lies about history.

          You are funny though. You seem to think Israel doesn’t need the U.S. to continue to exist – seems that Netanyahu doesn’t agree with you. He seems to feel that having the U.S. fight Iran for Israel is crucial to Israeli security.

          I don’t want to help Hamas or the Muslim Brotherhood or Hebollah – I just believe the Zionists are no better than any of them. Thankfully, there are many Jews who agree with me, and there is no need to hate Jews when opposing Zionism. Your immediate default position of calling me a “Jew hater” only reveals your own thuggish nature and willingness to tell any lies you need to support your own bigoted cause. Have a nice day.

          • Gee

            Coming from a racist bigot that advocates ethnic cleansing and supports genocide so long as the targets are Jews again – tells us who you are

          • glennd1

            Now you are just making stuff up. What I do believe though, is that all people’s have the innate, basic human right of resistance to invasion and occupation and ethnic cleansing. Just because Israel is winning doesn’t mean the Arab Muslims inside and outside of Israel lose their essential human right to resist the depradations visited on them daily.

            Put another way, Zionists claim a “right of return” after 2-3000 years, but deny the same to the Arab’s Muslims living in Palestine they ran off in ’48. Massacres, artillery led sieges of civilian populations, property theft – that and much more are the legacy of Zionism.

            As Benny Morris says, “You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette” (appropriately echoing the greatest political thug of the 20th century, Stalin). He admits to all the bloodshed, equivocates on the premeditation of the campaign and now claims the Zionists really didn’t mean to ethnically cleanse and take possession of 500 town, villages and cities. They did it because Jihad was launched upon them.

            Giggleworthy, truly. Whether it’s Jihad or not, the Arab Muslims living in Palestine have a right to fight for their land and liberty. I don’t want the U.S. to support them as their cause is hopelessly conflated with Islamism now, but there is no reason to fight against them in their homes and lands. None.

            So, please, have Israel tell us that it doesn’t want our security guarantee anymore. Please, get one actual leader of Israel to say that, I’ll agree in a second. I’d support granting all Jews asylum in the U.S., in fact, as they assimilate well here and do well in our culture. But continue to support their bigoted, supremacist experiment on Palestine? Nah, no way. It’s over. The lie has been seen through.

          • StanleyT

            So in your opinion, the world needs to replace the highly successful Jewish state, built on swampland, on land reclaimed from nature, on empty land for the most part, and in some cases on land won in defensive war – you’d rather replace this state, which makes enormous contributions to world science, biotech, medicine, agriculture, technology and more …

            you advocate replacing this with the 23rd failed Arab Muslim sate? All because you have decided that one side’s narrative must be true while the other’s must be full of lies … despite all the evidence to the contrary.

            Sheer genius, aren’t you.

          • Drakken

            All cultures, all religions and all people are all not equal, but then again if you ever traveled you would know that. Tell how living in that utopian world is like again???

          • rc

            You are confusing right of returns, and this is a very important point. The Israelis got a country, and granted right of return to their own country. The Palestinians want their own country and also the right of return to the other guy’s country. No double dipping allowed.

          • glennd1

            But it was THE ARAB’s homels the Zionists took in ’48. How can you claim equivalence in claims? Israel stole 750,000 Arab Muslim’s homes in 500 towns, villages and cities in ’48 based on their claim of “right of return” after 2000 years. The Arabs were never required to accept a Jewish state in their native lands. Up till 1880 Jewish population was about 2-3 pct of Palestine, for more than 1000 years.

            They had no current right to establish a nation on the top of Arabs who had legitimate, recent, valid land claims. The Arabs were never going to accept and never did, and never will. And why should they?

          • defcon 4

            The home of Arabs is Saudi Arabia.

          • iluvisrael

            Slugs like you don’t give a rat’s a$$ about the invented ‘palestinians’ – it just burns you up that the Jews have their own country. Busted!!

          • Silver Gonzales

            Carthage was too good for Arab Muslims. Perhaps cold Stalingrad is more suitable.

            Israel is crucial for US security and vice versa. US is free to have their carriers cruise up and down the Med. It will cost the US billions more. Israel and the US ( and Canada and Australia) are the few islands of sanity left in this insane Keynesian world.

            If the US wishes to abandon Israel. Their right. As long as Israel is preparing.

            I think you are incoherent and confused and possible dangerous

          • glennd1

            You are delusional if you believe the absence of Israel in Palestine would be anything but good for U.S. interests and security. It wouldn’t even cause a hiccup for our country.

          • StanleyT

            The US investors like Bufffet, and the US companies like Microsoft, Google, HP and more, seem to derive a huge amount of value from their presence and investments in Israel. If you had your way, they might suffer considerably more than a hiccup.

            With every post, you prove yet again how illogical one has to be in order be a Jew hater.

          • defcon 4

            He’s a muzzie.

          • Mojo

            Glenda , I am curious . You do not carry toilet paper with you so when you squat to do your toileting do you use your hands to clean yourself ?

          • Mojo

            Do you enjoy to whip married women who walk on public street with strange men in your country ?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Happy Eternal Nakba glennd1!

            May all your jihadi pals join their prophet of Satan, muhammed, in H E L L.

            INSHALLAH!

          • defcon 4

            Here we have it again, the unproven argument of false equivalence that Zionism is just as bad as islam0fascism.
            Muslimes are ethnically cleansing everyone non-muslim for the entire Mid-East and N. Africa, yet you conflate that w/the freedom of religion that Israel recognizes.

          • Drakken

            There is no morality in war dumbazz, if you ever served you would know that, there are only victors and vanquished period, and if you support and defend the ragheads, that makes you just as guilty as the ragheads. So let the chips fall where they may and let allah sortem out.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Islamofascists and national SOCIALIST fascist trash like you, want to continue Socialist SHlTlers work – Islamofascists proclaim that goal – but the rub is that the Israelis are NOT the unarmed Jews of WW2.

        From the River to the Sea,
        Pal-e-SWINE Will NEVER BE!

        Meanwhile Islamofascist savages kill people ALL OVER THE WORLD.

      • Drakken

        The US will have no choice but to stick with a western ally(Israel) through thick and thin, you go ahead and move to the Islamic paradise of your choice and help them with their jihad, Make sure you say hi to Rachel Corrie for us in the process, for Darwin loves winners like you.

      • Bklyn Farmer

        “Zionists finishing their campaign of cleansing” – lets start with just the first line of you lying rant

        The Palestinian population growth rate is 3.18% (10th highet in a field 230 countries) over 3 times greater than that of the US (0.95% ranked at 130) And twice that of Israel (1.6).

        Cleansing fail: Life Expectancy in Gaza and the West bank:
        The overall life expectancy at birth for the world is 66.57 years (64.52 years for males and 68.76 years for females) according to CIA World Factbook . Both Gaza and the West bank far exceed this average. (Hows that genocide going for you, btw?). In 2011, a person born in Gaza can expect to live significantly longer (73.42) than their peers in Egypt (72.12), Turkey( 71.96), Syria (71.19)or Iran (71.14).

        After the 1967 war, Jerusalem’s population was 74 percent Jewish and 26 percent Arab. 40 years later, in 2007, Jerusalem’s population is 66 percent Jewish and 34 percent Arab. According to the Jerusalem Institute for Israel Studies, the gap between the city’s Jewish and Arab population is narrowing by about 1 percentage point a year.

        Census: 30% rise in Palestinian population over last decade. Palestinian population in West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem reaches 3.76 million, up from 2.89 million a decade ago – Associated Press Published: 02.09.08

        The only cleansing will be done by the Palestinians:
        In a September 14 story, USA Today reporter Oren Dorell noted that: The Palestine Liberation Organization’s ambassador to the United States said Tuesday that any future Palestinian state it seeks with help from the United Nations and the United States should be free of Jews.

        The Palestinian areas, where Christians dropped from 15% of the population in 1950 to just 2% today. Ramallah was 90% Christian before the war, while Bethlehem was 80% Christian. By 1967, more than half of Bethlehem’s residents were Muslim, while Ramallah is a large Muslim city today. In the first year of the second Intifada, when Arafat’s terrorists ravaged Christian towns by gunfire and mortars, 1,640 Christians left Bethlehem and another 880 left Ramallah.

        In 2007, one year after Hamas’ Gaza takeover, the owner of the Strip’s only Christian bookstore was murdered. Christian shops and schools were firebombed. Ahmad El-Achwal is just one of the many Palestinians converted to Christianity killed by Islamic militants.

        • defcon 4

          It’s strange how the a-holes in the enemedia never have anything to say about how the islam0nazi Paleswine treat their vanishing Christian minority. It’s strange how the two-states never have anything to say about it either, instead preferring to falsely accuse Israel of being an “apartheid state”.

    • BagLady

      Do the original Massachusett people have the Right of Return?

      • defcon 4

        Do the Jewish people have a right of return to the properties stolen from them in Medina by muhamMAD?

  • Jason

    The peace talks would have hit a snag if the Israelis agreed that it would be best if they gave Jerusalem to the Palestinians, and let Hamas build nuclear weapons The Palestinians want nothing less than the complete and utter destruction of Israel and Judaism, anything less is unacceptable to the Ummah (Islamic community), and what the Ummah wants, the left wants.

    Israelis, stand your ground! Do not give in to either Palestine, or the ineptitude of the West. The freedom loving people of the world stand by you in your brave fight against utter annihilation. You are strong, Israel, don’t forget it. If you loose, we loose.

    • Silver Gonzales

      The vast majority of Arabs came to the area after the early Zionist pioneers began draining the malaria-infested swamps and plowing the land! In doing so, these Jews created the economic opportunities and medical availabilities which attracted Arabs from surrounding territories and far-away lands! In fact, over 90% of the Arabs migrated there within the last one hundred years. Most of the Arabs in “Palestine” were interlopers, squatters or plunderers from Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq and other lands who simply took possession of pieces of land.

      • glennd1

        So you stopped reading history after Joan Peter’s From Time Immemorial then, yes? Giggling. You repeat a lie debunked so long ago, it’s stunning to me. Where do people like you come from? Do you live under a rock?

        • 1Indioviejo1

          If you keep repeating to yourself; I’m an honest man, I’m an honest man, I’m… Maybe someday yor grandchildren may doubt what they already know about you.

          • defcon 4

            Maybe he can do so between his 5 time a day head banging exercises, but I doubt it, because honesty to the najjis kaffir isn’t virtuous or admired in an islamic sense.

          • BagLady

            Right next to the guy with the ringlets banging his head against the wall.

        • StanleyT

          a small portion of Joan Peter’s work has been questioned. That’s far from “debunked”. And I’m hardly surprised at your hysterical “giggling”. Anti-Semitism is not rational.

          • defcon 4

            Sarcastically:

            Of course anti-semitism is rational, at least in the islamic sense, because allah willed it. Can you not see that?

        • Gee

          Funny how even the UN acknowledged that salient fact.

          You are the one lying and poorly at that

        • Softly Bob

          It amazes me how people like you accuse others of stopping reading
          history, when in actual fact, you’re the one who appears to have stopped
          reading history. But then again people like you always accuse others of
          being guilty of the things that you’re actually guilty of.
          You probably accuse other people of bed-wetting too. It wouldn’t surprise me!

        • Drakken

          Still giggling like a little girl huh Sparky? Keep siding with those poor oppressed haji’s, frankly I hope Israel quits effing around with them and lets allah sortem out.

          • defcon 4

            I once met some Gulf islam0nazis, they giggled like little girls — although I’m sure given half the chance they would’ve slit my kafir throat for nothing more than entertainment.

          • BagLady

            Why do you say that? Did they have a knife?

          • defcon 4

            Why I’ve slandered the holey prophet of islam on more than one occasion. Isn’t that sufficient oh Bag of Allah?

        • Mojo

          Glennd1 , do you have away to keep the camel dung from getting into your tent ?

    • BagLady

      Please only speak for yourself. You do not speak for the ‘freedom loving people of the world’. Such arrogance!

      • StanleyT

        Neither do you. Such arrogance indeed.

        • BagLady

          I have made no attempt to give anyone’s opinion but my own.

          • tickletik

            That is certainly what you have done, but it is not how you have presented yourself.

            And you are not merely arrogant, but disgusting in your arrogance.

      • Jason

        Do you prefer the alternative? Israel would be crushed, and the only true democracy in the Middle East would become yet another theocracy or military dictatorship. That’s why I said freedom loving people support Israel, because it’s the only free country in the region.

        • BagLady

          Saying it’s a democracy doesn’t make it true. You cannot have a Jewish state and a democracy. They are contradictions in terms.

          • Softly Bob

            Thank you for your comment, Adolf. Your true evil is showing.

          • defcon 4

            You’re confusing islam0nazism w/zionism — it’s a natural mistake for islam0nazis.

          • tickletik

            Says who? Can you have a Greek state and a democracy? How about a Hellenistic state and a democracy?

            Since you are obviously evil and an idiot, I will spell out my point so you can ignore it as you always ignore comments when they trash your crap and you have nothing else to say.

            Nationalistic/ethnic considerations have nothing to do with democracy as a political system. One can conceivably have a democracy whose citizens by law must be slave owning African pygmies who can claim partial Viking ancestry. Provided all citizens who fit the criteria share an equal weighted vote, it is a democracy.

          • BagLady

            Yes you can have a Greek state but you cannot have an Orthodox Greek state and still be considered democratic. Exclusivity you see my dear. Doesn’t encompass the whole of society.

      • Drakken

        You remember muslim, you need us, us infidels don’t need you, period!

      • tickletik

        Arrogance? Good. Then we will be arrogant. Here is how effective your disgusting little shaming language attempt is.

        Jason, if you read this, I reiterate your words and speak them as my own, as here:

        Israelis, stand your ground! Do not give in to either Palestine, or the ineptitude of the West. The freedom loving people of the world stand by you in your brave fight against utter annihilation. You are strong, Israel, don’t forget it. If you lose, we lose.

        I will repeat that above paragraph as many times as I can to as many people as I can, and I will encourage everyone I know to do the same.

        And BL? You know where you can stick your shaming language you dear little thing you, and it’s not in your little worn out bag of crap.

    • BagLady

      “The Palestinians want nothing less than the complete and utter destruction of Israel…”

      .. and this is the justification used by Netanyahu to completely destroy Palestine. Presumably, Palestinians are being lumped together with all the other “infiltrators” of ‘your’ country: African Jews, asylum seekers, Bedouin and anyone else who seeks to share ‘your’ space.

      • Jason

        Palestinians are Arabs, of a completely different ethnic group to the Hebrews who have lived in the area since biblical times. The entire Torah is evidence of Jewish settlement in the area well before any Arab arrived. Jerusalem was conquered by Muslims in 634 CE. The first temple was built over 1500 years before that. THE JEWS WERE THERE FIRST! What don’t you understand about that? At least 1500 years before any Arab or any Christian, the Jews have been living in Israel. THAT’S WHERE JUDAISM COMES FROM! The Palestinians, and indeed all of the Arabs in North Africa, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine are descendants of colonisers, not the native inhabitants. You are ignoring history, and are being foolish! If it is whoever was there first, the Jews win by a long shot.

        Israel is a democracy, they have an elected parliament, that both Jews and Muslims can vote for. What more do you want? Prove that it isnt, you ignorant fool.

        • BagLady

          Firstly, I find it difficult to believe the area was the empty land you describe. Secondly, the addition of the word “Jewish” before State of Israel robs it of the democratic element. (The added insult was inappropriate)

          • joe

            Israel is a republic, not a democracy. If the founding documents declare the republic to be Jewish, then it is, perforce, not robbed of its “democratic element”. I’m sure you have locks on your doors, a door on your bathroom, a hasp on your purse, passwords for private electronic accounts, etc. These things are borders. You only want YOUR borders. Your objection to borders for Jews is the foundational evidence of your rabid anti-Semitism.

          • BagLady

            Luckily I don’t need a visa to open my purse or enter my bedroom, nor undergo hours or interrogation before I cross the threshold. “Your objection to borders for Jews…” [Joe] Surely you mean Israelis. American/European Jews live within clearly defined borders.

          • defcon 4

            “American/European Jews live within clearly defined borders”? What do you mean by this Adolph? Do you mean like concentration camps? Or ghettos?

          • BagLady

            Not really. I was meaning places like the UK, France, Switzerland, US, Canada, South Africa, even Namibia etc etc. ‘Ghettos’ are usually created by the residents who like to stick with their own kind. We all do it, n’est pas?

          • defcon 4

            Gee, what happens when someone w/an Israeli visa tries to gain entry to any of your islam0nazi hellholes Fatima? Are they greeted w/open arms and leis?

          • BagLady

            My lovely 18 year old daughter visited Israel and was interrogated for 5 hours upon leaving by a bunch of paranoid soldiers. My Australian friend got an Israeli work permit but, after only a couple of weeks, had it torn up and himself thrown out of the country. His crime: he ‘crossed over’ for the day and accepted a lift in a Palestinian car to the checkpoint. What an hellhole.

          • defcon 4

            How many states of the OIC have the appellation islamic in their title?

          • BagLady

            Are they claiming to be “the only democracy in the Middle East”?

          • defcon 4

            Only because it’s true Fatima.

          • tickletik

            Nice dodge and segue. You dishonest little troll. He tears apart your claim that it isn’t a democratic state and you move to something utterly irrelevant.

      • Drakken

        There is no pali land period, you effing savages deserve everything coming to you and more, Godd bless the Crusades and give those savages in Gaza a taste of Carthage.

        • BagLady

          Oh I think the Palestinians are tasting your Carthage OK.

  • Insecticide

    A Nakba a Day keeps the Terrorists Away

    • glennd1

      You are perhaps the only commenter, openly advocating for the ethnic cleansing that the Zionists have perpetuated. Thanks for not being a phony. The only thing you seem to miss is that this makes you a monster and the Palestinians victims. The most bizarre thing about Zionists today (after Plan Dalet was disclosed, an official Israeli govt doc which shows that the ethnic cleansing was planned and executed in significant part before any Arab army even entered Palestine) is that they still claim to be victims versus aggressors.

      Like you say in your screen name – they are “insects” and a “Nakba a Day” (Nakba means catastrophe in Arabic) keeps them away. Is it any wonder that Albert Einstein compared the radical Zionists of ’48 to the Nazis in his open letter in the New York Times? Btw, those are his words, not mine, not 3 years after the Holocaust came to an end. Here’s a link to that infamous letter https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948

      So, now we can set the record straight. You are an immoral, religious supremacist who will gladly kill and dispossess large groups of people of other religions and ethnicities to create your Jewish majority state. Got it. The only question that remains is why Americans should support such an immoral cause with a bloodsoaked recent history like Zionism has? The U.S. supported the “Right of Return” for Palestinians in ’49. Bush I and Baker stepped on the necks of the Israelis to get them to stop settlements and declared them illegitimate and a violation of international law.

      Why don’t more Americans realize that Zionism is incompatible with American values? Any moral person must be anti-Islamist and anti-Zionist – they are both hateful ideologies causing much bloodshed in the world.

      • AngusT2

        The Palestinians should be asking themselves why Allah has abandoned them and put the at the mercy of the Jews.

      • iluvisrael

        Dimwit, the ethnic cleansing you so moronically acuse Israel of is going on in muslim cesspools all over the globe – the ongoing massacres and pogroms of Christians. A Jew hating oaf like you would blame that on the Jews too.

        • BagLady

          No good screaming abuse. We need citations of these ‘cesspools’ for your rant to have any credibility.

          • Gee

            Too stupid to read? Of course you are

          • BagLady

            Too lazy to give citations? Of course you are.

          • Notalibfool

            Too ignorant to consider other points of view? Of course you are.

            Just waiting for your dimwitted response……

          • iluvisrael

            your name ‘baglady’ suits you – a smelly homeless loser stinking up the libraries where you use the computers and toilets.

          • BagLady

            Au contraire, an international baglady who’s seen a lot

          • Drakken

            Side with the muzzies, perish with them.

          • BagLady

            I presume you are a boy of around 11 years old when such childish rudeness is deemed funny.

          • defcon 4

            I’ll bet if he substituted “Jews” for “muzzies” you wouldn’t be complaining at all.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            ScumBagLady, The cesspool called Syria. 100,000+ dead plus 1,000+ dead by poison gas – a WMD.

            That’s Arabs killing Arabs.

          • BagLady

            What has the civil war in Syria got to do with apartheid Israel.

          • defcon 4

            Why is islam a fascist, apartheid, supremacist, anti-semitic ideology?

          • Drakken

            No such thing as apartheid, if you look at what is happening in SA , I want to see you advocate against the white genocide going on there.

          • defcon 4

            I think it’s more ethnic cleansing in SA — it’s more along the lines of what islam0nazis are doing in Nigeria and the Mid-East to Christians, Baha’i, Zoroastrians etc.

          • Drakken

            Wherever islam goes, the blood always flows, without exception, and if you support and defend the muslims, your the enemy, it is that bloody simple. Deo Volente!

        • Jason

          Not just Christians and Jews. Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, the “Wrong” type of Muslims. Anyone and everyone is a target to Jihadis, and every major religion has suffered millions dead to Jihadis since the beginning of Islam. 1400 years of slaughter.

      • 1Indioviejo1

        Not really. I wish a NAKBA on my terrorist enemies all day, every day. Once they drew first blood, there is no forgiving and no forgeting. Let it flow to the last drop of their syphilitic blood.

        • Drakken

          Amen Brother!

      • StanleyT

        And here we go, the Jew hater reveals his sources. “Plan Dalet” indeed. Do you know what “Dalet” is? It’s D, the fourth letter in the Hebrew alphabet. So this was not plan A or B or even C. And it was not implemented.
        Two more things: What was the Arab plan A? Push the Jews into the sea! How is that any better than Plan Dalet?
        And secondly, any commander who did not plan for every eventuality, including the need for a Plan Dalet, would have been an incompetent idiot.
        You are just an irrelevant idiot.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Plan “Dalet” sounds so evil!

      • Gee

        You advocate the ethnic cleansing of Jews AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

        Time to send the Arab colonists home

      • Silver Gonzales

        The immoral religious hatred and murderous way you accuse Jews of doing, falsely without any tangible evidence, occurs everyday in much of the Muslim world.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Nakba is GOOD.

        The “Nakba” is the term used by Islamofascists and their Eurofascist supporters to describe the FAILURE of five Arab armies to defeat Israel in 1948 – just three years after the end of WW2 and the Holocaust.

        Five against ONE.

        Google Images “arab n a z i salute” to see raw Islamofascism.

        Happy ETERNAL NAKBA!

      • Drakken

        Pssst hey shortbus, Israel is a western ally, those effing ragheads you love so much are not allies nor will they ever be, they are nothing but pure unadultered enemies of us westerners, but your to ignorant to get it. Hopefull Israel finally takes off the velvet gloves and puts on the mailed fist and uses will extreme measures. Time to make gaza the new Carthage. and the west bank a pali free zone.

  • Mladen_Andrijasevic

    The importance of resolving the Israel Palestinian conflict

    http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2013/11/hot-stuff.html

  • http://fdnyretiree.com/ Ed FDNYRetiree

    Treasonous traitor John Kerry is illegitimate!

    • Drakken

      I hope an arab suicide bombs his dumbazz.

      • defcon 4

        Maybe he can enjoy the same kind of treatment Chris Stevens did at the hands of the islam0nazis in Benghazi — after all, I doubt the zero would mind!

  • Mladen_Andrijasevic

    Livid Netanyahu: this is a bad deal, a very, very bad deal!
    http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2013/11/livid-netanyahu-this-is-bad-deal-very.html

  • Raymond_in_DC

    It was clear to me four years ago that the US under Obama was shifting from honest broker to Palestinian advocate. That Kerry in Israel should adopt almost in its entirety the Palestinian narrative – both blaming Israel for the lack of progress in the “peace talks” and providing before-the-fact justification for the Palestinian violence that will follow their collapse – makes that now undeniable.

    When Obama insisted he “had Israel’s back”, many warned Israel to “watch your back” because that’s where Obama was about to place the knife. After “sticking it” to Israel, Kerry headed off to Geneva where, on behalf of Obama, he’d sign a preliminary agreement with Iran. Israel’s leadership rightly considers that another twist of the knife. Israel would be justified in announcing that it will not follow the lead of the P5+1 in this matter, and that it will act as it deems necessary.

    • BagLady

      You are ranting. Not one single fact. What exactly has Obama said or done that has changed the direction in Israel/Palestinian land disputes? I bet you all one thing. Europe has announced that it will not be giving aid to any Israeli company operating in occupied territory. This aid is worth a great deal of money and is what brought Netanyahu to the table. I guarantee Europe will back down and kowtow to Israel, I will be sick, and it will be back to the usual business of ethnic cleansing and land grabbing. Foreign governments will pretend to care and right-wing Zionists will continue to complain that they are being persecuted.

      • defcon 4

        The zero tried to extort Israel into returning to the indefensible pre-1967 borders (and in the process ethnically cleanse Jews from the disputed areas). The zero has already shown his hand.

      • Drakken

        You haven’t seen ethnic cleansing yet haji lover, but the bad old days is going to come back with a vengeance and you bloody muslim lovers will have brought it upon yourselves, good bloody riddance.

        • BagLady

          Ah, such an admittance of evil intentions is very telling. I wonder why so many on here see such deep emotions from other posters? Love and hate are far too intense feelings to apply to the few of us who try to stay objective.

          • Softly Bob

            The only person spouting evil on here is you, BagLady. You have made your anti-Semitism very clear.

          • defcon 4

            “Objective”, is that what you call islamic Jew hatred?

          • Drakken

            To fight evil, one has to get downright medieval, it isn’t hate, it is our western survival over eastern dark ages islam. The only objective there is, is, to keep you savages at bay and to finally deal with you in a final manner. Gods Bless the Crusades.

          • BagLady

            Do you now? Then I suggest you get rid of your nukes and the rest of your state of the art arsenal and go back to medieval weapons and fight like men… on a level playing field.

          • tickletik

            I’m curious, when you get up in the morning do you stare in the mirror for hours on end cooing over your own appearance? I get the feeling that you are probably one of the most self absorbed narcissistic jerks I’ve ever seen online, and that is really saying something.

            When you write your utterly mindless, pointless crap, crap that means nothing and goes nowhere, do you get a temporary boost in your esteem? Does it help cover the empty pointlessness of your meaningless, mindless existence?

            Like I said above, I’m just curious.

      • zee

        Israel doesn’t receive aid from Europe.

        • BagLady
          • Bklyn Farmer

            Being awarded research grants is not “aid”, just as purchasing Israeli products is not “aid”. But don’t let facts get in the way of your rants.

          • BagLady

            Ah, I see you are stuck on semantics. What is the difference between a grant and aid? Both involve money and neither is repayable. Let me go find how much Israel receives from the US for its arsenal of WMDs.

          • Bklyn Farmer

            So now the difference between grant and aid is “semantics” – Not.

            Aid is what Palestinians get for sitting on their fat butts (8th highest rate of obesity worldwide and Palestinian women have the 3rd highest rate of obesity), in fact Palestinian Arabs receive about 9 times as much aid as the Sudanese do, and of course far more aid per capita than any other people on the planet. Palestinian Arabs receive 39 times the aid per capita that residents of the Congo receive as reported by the 2011 Global Humanitarian Assistance Report.

            Grants on the other hand are awarded to institutions based on proven track record of success as is exemplified by Israel’s 12 Noble laureates ranking it 11th worldwide per capita. Israel has 8 Noble prizes awards for Chemistry, Physics, Physiology or Medicine, and the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences are considered ranking it 10th world wide per capita just above America which is at 11th. The highest Arab country rating is Egypt with 1 ranked at 44 place.

            This should come as no surprise given that Arabs represent 5% of the world’s population and yet produce only 1% of the world’s books, most of them religious. In fact, Spain translates more books into Spanish each year than the entire Arab world has translated into Arabic since the ninth century.

          • BagLady

            Not the bloody lists of NOBEL

          • defcon 4

            Muslimes have “boastful lists” as well. List of martyrs, killed while killing for allah.

          • defcon 4

            The knowledge of the najjis kaffir, who don’t speak Arabic, is mostly irrelevant to allah’s chosen psychopaths.

          • defcon 4

            How did the famous quote go? If the ARabs laid down their arms there would be peace, if the Israelis laid down their arms it would be genocide.

          • Drakken

            Hopefully enough to put you effing savages back a couple of centuries.

          • BagLady

            Since ’85 Israel has received an average of $3 billion pa of which $2.63 billion is military aid and $360 billionn is economic aid. Unlike other recipients who receive their aid in dribs and drabs, Israel receives a lump sum annually and, unlike all other recipients is not obliged to account for the expenditure. On top of this, ‘aid’ of $625 million was given for the development of the Arrow missile. It works out at around $500 for each adult Israeli.

            Three of the worlds largest arms dealers – Elbet, Israel Aerospace and Rafael – are being subsidsed by the EU.

      • tickletik

        You are a jerk! The guy clearly opens the comment saying that it “was clear to me”. It was clear to HIMSELF, that is an OPINION. Opinions DO NOT REQUIRE FACTS.

        And that isn’t even ranting. THIS is ranting.

    • BagLady

      This doesn’t ring true. The US negotiator, Wendy Sherman, (that’s a Jewish name isn’t it?) rushed straight from the failed talks in Geneva to assure Netanyahu all was well. She aught to have been rushing to Obama. He is her boss after all.

  • http://WWW.SPIRITOFAMERICAPARTYRADIOSHOW.COM TOM P O’DONNELL

    JOHN KERRY-INSIDE TRADER OR TRAITOR. THIS MAN WAS A BIG STOCK PROFIT INSIDE TRADER ON OBAMA HEALTHCARE. I WONDER HOW MANY IRANIAN LINKED STOCKS HE IS BUYING RIGHT NOW? IRANIAN BANK STOCKS? BANK MELLI AND BANK SADERAT? HOW ABOUT OIL STOCKS?
    DOES HE HAVE A BLIND TRUST IN EUROPE? ISRAEL YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN. AMERICAN SATELLITES ARE WATCHING YOU AND PROTECTING OBAMAS ALLIES.

    • glennd1

      Comments with all caps will be IGNORED.

      • defcon 4

        Comments demonizing Israel in favor of islam0nazism will be ignored.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          That’s why Der Guardian exists.

  • Irwin8100

    What seems to be missing in the discussion the “land issue” in Israel is that much of the land being disputed is land that was actually purchased by Jews who returned to their home land before the nation of Israel was declared to exist by the United Nations. Of course, rewriting history has become more than just a simple past time.

    • StanleyT

      Excellent point.

    • Gee

      The UN did not declare Israel to exist. They voted to recommend the British end the Mandate – nothing more.

      Israelis declared and built Israel – not the UN

      • StanleyT

        Agreed – just to add to this, the League of Nations, which had the power to do so at the time, wrote international law with the Mandate for Palestine. That was the true creation of modern Israel. Anyone who disputes this must equally dispute the legality of Syria, Lebanon and Iraq – all created by the same process.

      • defcon 4

        Really, who made Israel what it was today? It wasn’t a bunch of rug chewing retards steeped in Jew hatred.

  • Leroy and LeShanda

    I luv you Brown Kunt Pharaoh Hussein and your Ketchup Klown.
    You are doing a great job.
    Yes, I am Affirmative Black American and proud of it!

  • Bert

    Jews foolishly observe agreements and make painful concessions for peace. Obama, Kerry and the Arabs are not bound by any agreement or any respect for truth. Do not blame the Arabs or Obama or Kerry because they do what they always do in pursuit of their end goal of destroying Israel by ‘peace’ increments. It is the Jewish leadership that continues to be delusional, even releasing Arab killers in return for nothing but more terror.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      You are 100% correct.

  • defcon 4

    So Kerry and the zero support the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the W. Bank? Because if they’re illegitimate settlements then that would be his solution right? Somehow I doubt Kerry is a Chamberlain, because I think his ultimate goals and those of the zero have nothing to do w/illusory and transitory peace w/the islam0nazi paleswine and everything to do w/the destruction of the Jewish state of Israel in favor of something more islam0nazi in character.

    • Calvinius

      The settlements exist as a tool for the ethnic cleansing of Arabs from the West Bank.

      • StanleyT

        Oh for heaven’s sake. Read every response I’ve written to GlennD and multiply it by 5 for yourself. WE do not need another Jew hating troll on this site. We have enough.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Stan, glennda provides a valuable service for supporters of Israel and opponents of Islamofascism.

          We sharpen our arguments and skills for future debates with more insidious socialist fascists.

      • Notalibfool

        Take off your tinfoil hat. Then do some research.

      • defcon 4

        Gee, what happened to the Jews of:
        Syria,
        Iraq,
        Iran,
        N. Africa

        Did they all take extended vacations?

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        TERRORISM exists as a tool for the ethnic cleansing of Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Bahaid, Zoroastrian and the wrong kind of Muslim from their homes.

        Israel has the Right to Resist Islamofascist Terrorism.

      • Eliyahu Konn

        Maybe muslim murderers from Judea-Samaria. By the way vini you don’t live in the land of the Native Americans do you?

  • tokoloshiman

    kerry should attend history class- the non revisionist type before blathering on

    • katladywa

      With his fancy education, he turned out to be dumber than obummer. Kerry is an eastern liberal and nobody can ” confuse” .him with facts. Look into swiftboating and learn true feelings

  • Drakken

    If anyone thinks that there will be peace with the muslims? I have loots of desert acreage for sale in the Sinai. There will never ever be peace with those effing muslim savages, Israel quit effing around with them, destroy them once and for all time and let allah sortem out.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Islamists are at War with EVERYBODY.

      Islamists are at War with Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Bahais, Zoroastrians and the wrong kind of Muslim (Sunni/Shiite/Sufi)

      • defcon 4

        It’s true, Iran, the homeland of the Zoroastrian faith is being ethnically cleansed, by the islam0nazis who run it, of every last vestige of Zoroastrianism. A faith that might be as old as Judaism.

  • Mojo

    Bag lady , isn’t it hot in your burqa while cleaning the camel dung from you tent?

  • Calvinius

    By definition, the truth cannot be slander.

    The Israeli “settlements” are illegal under international law. They’re an illegal colonization of conquered land, prohibited under the 4th Geneva Convention. And the size of the illegal settlements does not confer any legitimacy on them. It just illustrates how flagrantly Israel has violated international law.

    • StanleyT

      What international law says that the Jews cannot build on land given to them by the League of Nations under international law?

      The Geneva Convetion IV does NOT apply to this situation. The land did not belong to another state. The Jews living there were not moved there forcibly. Two major components of Geneva IV do not apply.

      I can quote you clear international law giving that land to the Jews (the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine). What laws can you quote that say the land does not belong to the Jews?

      • Calvinius

        The West Bank was not given to them by the League of Nations! The League of Nations did not give the Mandate of Palestine solely to the Jews. Never happened, and you can’t rewrite history to make it so.

    • Mojo

      Cal old kid , why don’t you take a vacation In Syria or maybe Egypt or any other so called legitimate Muslim country wearing a Cross .
      Maybe you would enjoy having your throat slit .
      Walk around any where in your so called illegitimate Israel wearing any thing and admiring the pretty women who do not have to wear Burqas so you can see the difference in a free society .if you are honestly accessing this problem , do you really think we need a 23rd Muslim nation in that area . Are they so short of land and Israel so large . Look at a map .

      • Calvinius

        Nobody wears burqas in Syria or Egypt, ignoramus. And both of those nations have significant Christian populations.

        • CAStr8talk

          Both Egypt and Syria have significant persecution of their Christian minorities by the Muslim majorities..

        • defcon 4

          Syria’s Christian population seems to be declining rather precipitously lately Aabirah, and it’s not because of Jews, Zionists or Israel.

          • Calvinius

            “Seems to be” according to who?

          • defcon 4

            Allah, allatard.

    • defcon 4

      Islam’s occupation of the Temple Mount is illegal.

    • Drakken

      Really? International law and the Geneva Conventions you say? Well if that were the case, I would have all my land and estates in East Prussia back. Silly leftards like you always forget that, but love to beat up Israel with useless pieces of paper that have zero meaning or value, get bent.

    • Eliyahu Konn

      You won’t know international law until the buttons start to be pressed.

      • defcon 4

        I’d love to see those buttons pressed. I just hope the Hindus of India join in on the fun — because they have one hell of an axe to grind against the islam0nazis of the world.

  • StanleyT

    glennd, another reason I won’t be bothering to read Blumenthal’s book – and a perfect explanation of why you are so enthralled by it (again, this comes form Eric Alterman, who is another self-hating Jew who hates Israel):

    “Alas, (Bulmenthal’s) case against the Jewish state is so carelessly constructed, it will likely alienate anyone but the most fanatical anti-Zionist extremists, and hence do nothing to advance the interests of the occupation’s victims.”

    From: http://www.thenation.com/article/176691/max-blumenthals-goliath-i-hate-israel-handbook#

    See that? “the most fanatical anti-Zionist extremists” Hmmm. Seems to be an apt description of you, doesn’t it?

  • Leland64

    John Kerry, Scourge of the Mekong, is a willful liar and a traitor appointed to his post by the exalted Obama. Why would anyone believe a single word they say. Israelis beware, Kerry and Obama will certainly betray you.

  • dougjmiller

    The terms “Palestine” and “Palestinian” were popularized after Israel survived the Six Day War in 1967 and managed to liberate Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem. These small areas are the cradle of the Jewish people and the heartland of Jewish history over the past 3800 years. There never was an Arab/ Moslem controlled nation called Palestine or Arab/ Moslems called Palestinian. These slogans have been crafted in an ongoing campaign to delegitimize Israel. The Arab/ Moslem squatters who occupy land in and around Israel are either descendants of invaders or illegal immigrants. If they are unhappy with living in tiny Israel there are 21 Arab/ Moslem controlled countries spread out over a few million square miles of mineral rich land. They are free to leave.

  • PaulD

    The bloodthirst and cruelty that inspired the genocide of Jews by the Romans, lives in the present-day. There is every reason to believe that the present obsession of the fascists in Washington and their Arab buddies is not for peace, as much as it is to destroy the Jewish presence in their homeland. The underlying truth in all belief systems, religious or not, is that Jews do not have a right to live.

  • http://israelisverige.info Ralph Haglund

    Does auntie Ashton realize that if Israel let go of its security on the order of Kerry and his boss, EU is next? Being a Swede I all the time hear our FM express his love for the islamists in Turkey without knowing a thing. Can you see the flood?

  • steven l

    Ignorant and opportunist.

  • Mortimer Post

    Kapo Kerry–following in the footsteps of “Kap” Weinberger, is another crypto part-Jew who hates his Jewish forebears so much that he feels compelled to support the enemies of Israel as often and as stridently as he can.

  • chan chan

    Any piece about Israel, and the leftist jew-haters are out in force, I see. I can set my watch by them…