Obama to Israel: Suicide Is Security


obama-downturn-economy-28NOV2012-620x413“Friends of Israel, including the United States,” President Obama said in his speech to the UN on Tuesday, “must recognize that Israel’s security as a Jewish and democratic state depends upon the realization of a Palestinian state….”

Particularly because of its timing, the statement left most Israelis rubbing their eyes.

Transportation Minister Israel Katz of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s Likud Party called Obama’s words “one of the worst statements by an American president in history. Israel’s existence does not depend on anything, especially not the Palestinians….”

Imagine carving out about one-fourth of the U.S. and making it a separate country bordering Washington and a few miles from New York. This country is populated by people who systematically teach their children that the United States has no right to exist and must be destroyed, and name schools, public squares, and summer camps after terrorists who have inflicted mass-casualty attacks on the U.S.

No one in his right mind would call that a way to ensure America’s security.

There are, though, more specific reasons to marvel at (while not being surprised by) Obama’s words.

Over the past week, two Israeli soldiers have been murdered by Palestinian terror. On Friday 20-year-old Tomer Hazan was killed by a Palestinian coworker who lured him to his village near Qalqilya in the West Bank. On Sunday 20-year-old Gavriel Kovi was killed by a Palestinian sniper while guarding civilians in the West Bank town of Hebron.

In the case of Tomer Hazan’s murder, the coworker, Nidal Amar, tried to hide his body in a bid to use it as ransom for Amar’s brother, jailed in Israel on terror charges. Amar was quickly apprehended.

In the case of Gavriel Kovi’s murder, the killer has not yet been found.

No condemnation of these acts was forthcoming from any Palestinian Authority official, including President Mahmoud Abbas—this at a time when Israel is engaged in yet another round of “peace talks” with the PA that Secretary of State John Kerry heavily pressured both sides to launch.

Finally on Monday night, when pressed to do so in a meeting with Jewish leaders in New York, Abbas “condemned” the killings—while adding that he “expected Israel to condemn the deaths of four young Palestinians at the hands of the IDF in recent weeks.”

The Times of Israel notes that

It was not clear to what Abbas was referring, but on Sept. 17, Israeli forces, believing their lives to be in danger, killed one man and wounded at least one during a raid on a refugee camp near Jerusalem to arrest a fugitive, the IDF said.

That is, a “condemnation” that equated outright acts of murder with acts of self-defense by security forces, that was made only in English to a small audience in New York, and that is not really a condemnation at all.

But it is not only that such phenomena—murders of Israelis and wall-to-wall Palestinian refusal to condemn them—are occurring during “peace talks.” Khaled Abut Toameh reports that—as many feared would happen—the talks are fomenting violence rather than allaying it, and the attitude toward the murders goes well beyond passivity:

A connection seems to exist between the resumption of the peace talks…and the recent upsurge in violence in the West Bank, which reached its peak with the killing of two Israeli soldiers this week….

Earlier this week, representatives of several Palestinian groups met in Ramallah and launched a public campaign to stop the negotiations and wage an intifada against Israel.

That the meeting was held a few hundred meters away from Abbas’s headquarters is significant. It shows that opposition to the peace talks is not only coming from the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, but also from the largely secular and relatively moderate city of Ramallah….

Fatah’s armed wing, Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, rushed to claim responsibility for the killing of the two IDF soldiers in Qalqilya and Hebron.

After the killing of the soldier in Hebron by a sniper, Fatah published a photo of one of its sharpshooters with the caption, “When Fatah says, it does. When Fatah promises, it fulfills.”

That’s Fatah, essentially the government of the West Bank, the movement Abbas has belonged to for half a century and now leads, and Israel’s “peace partner.”

For all these reasons Obama’s statement that Israel’s security “depends upon” creating a Palestinian state goes beyond the usual boilerplate and carried a special sting.

Outlining his broader vision, Obama said:

In the near term, America’s diplomatic efforts will focus on two particular issues: Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons, and the Arab-Israeli conflict.  While these issues are not the cause of all the region’s problems, they have been a major source of instability for far too long, and resolving them can help serve as a foundation for a broader peace.

Again, beyond boilerplate, implicitly equating the imminent attainment of an industrial-scale nuclear-weapons capacity by a murderous anti-Western regime with the fact that 1.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank do not have—unlike in Gaza—a full-fledged sovereign state that would, undoubtedly, be another great gift to Israel and humanity.

Netanyahu will be meeting with Obama on Monday before addressing the UN on Tuesday. One can conjecture that—unless the security situation worsens—Netanyahu will keep playing along with the Palestinian charade while trying to get Obama focused and realistic on Iran.

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  • Texas Patriot

    Obama has it backward. The key to Israel’s security is expelling all radical Islamists from its borders, and responding aggressively to external attacks by confiscating the lands of the attackers and expelling radical Islamists from those lands. In this way, either the attacks will cease or Israel will eventually reconquer all of the original Promised Land. There is no other chance that Israel will ever know security or peace in the middle east.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      The key to Israel’s security is expelling all radical Islamists from its borders,

      Can you please explain to us uninitiated the process of separating the wheat from the chaff, i.e., of screening Muslims to determine which one of them are moderates and which one of them are radical Islamists? Or is it instead that all Muslims are either mainstream orthodox Muslims and also jihadists in one form or another at the same time, or otherwise blasphemous apostates that according to the texts and tenets of Islam must be executed?

      • Texas Patriot

        Ultimately that would be a judgment call for Israel to make. But the truth of the matter is that every state has a right to defend itself from known terrorists within and without. Israel happens to be a Jewish state, and it is my understanding that the Koran has several specific provisions regarding the authority and duty of Muslims toward Jews.

        Whatever those provisions contain and wherever they are to be found in the Koran, it shouldn’t be too difficult to summarize them and to require Muslims to verify, as a matter of public record, whether they consider those provisions to be binding upon Muslims generally and upon themselves in particular. The results of the survey could then be used to determine who should be allowed to stay and who should be required to leave.

        No state should be required to allow the presence within its borders of individuals who are ideologically and/or theologically authorized and committed to kill or actively discriminate against its own citizens.

        • Human

          All muslims are bound by the Koran, and Fatah of the Imams. The peaceful muslims will activate their hatred when numbers increase providing cover. As long as they are weak in numbers they will seem docile. Look to Dearborn Michigan for confirmation of this fact.

        • defcon 4

          Muslimes wouldn’t consider lying would they?

          • truebearing

            No, they would never do that because it would violate the teachings of Islam and sully their unassailable record of moral and ethical behavior. I mean, it’s not like the Quran actually advises them to lie…..or rape, or enslave, or kill…..hey, I might have what it takes to be a world leader! Maybe the Prime Minister of Britain, or maybe President.

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          • gawxxx

            please go play in heavy traffic and leave us alone !

          • houstonian07

            Black muslimes would never lie.

          • defcon 4

            Hahahahaha. Yeah Farrakhan never lies, just like he never breathes right?

        • ObamaYoMoma

          Whatever those provisions contain and wherever they are to be found in the Koran, it shouldn’t be too difficult to summarize them and to require Muslims to verify, as a matter of public record, whether they consider those provisions to be binding upon Muslims generally and upon themselves in particular. The results of the survey could then be used to determine who should be allowed to stay and who should be required to leave.

          Uhm…the first and foremost prerequisite of Islam is the total, complete, and unconditional submission to the “will of Allah” of all Muslims under the penalty of death for blasphemy and apostasy. There is no freedom of conscience in Islam since it is a very totalitarian cult, as a Muslim is either a Muslim or else he or she is not, and if it is the latter case, then according to the texts and tenets of Islam, that person must be executed for blasphemy and apostasy.

          Furthermore, jihad, i.e., holy fighting in the cause of Allah for the establishment/expansion of Islam, is not only the highest pillar of which Islam stands, it is also a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon ALL MUSLIMS in one form or another. Hence, all Muslims are jihadists in one form or another. Otherwise, they are blasphemous apostates that according to the texts and tenets of Islam must be executed.

          Thus, I don’t know how to break the news to you and I hope you are sitting down, but all Muslims are jihadists. Indeed, every last one of them. By the way, the “will of Allah” that all Muslims must totally, completely, and unconditionally submit to under the penalty of death for blasphemy and apostasy in essence is Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law.

          Moreover, Muslims are obligated to lie to infidels. Hence, your survey would be useless in any event.

          Nevertheless, all Muslims not only in Israel, but also in the entire non-Islamic infidel world should be deported from whence they came, as mass Muslim immigration to the West in essence is really stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad for the strategic purpose of demographic conquest. Indeed, in just 23 years it is projected that France will become a majority Muslim country, and if you think that is an accident and not by design, then I have some beautiful swamp land for sale in beautiful downtown Phoenix, AZ I need to sell you.

          • Joanne Hamner

            Thank you, very well said and finally someone who has the courage to tell the truth!!

        • Drakken

          A live muslim is a dangerous muslim, better to be done with them and let allah sortem out.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            So…A dead Indian is a good Indian..? Take your juvenile jive somewhere else…This clash of cultures has been going on for decades, aided and abetted by radically conservative Imams determined to live in the 12th century, demanding Muslims follow the Quran without question or change…It is going to take a truly brave and articulate Muslim individual or group to challenge this radicalization and bring Muslims into the 21st century…
            People will only accept change when you show them the benefits, and the benefits are individual freedoms. safety, and the opportunity to improve their families life…
            Does such a man or organization exist that can articulate, motivate, and instigate such change..? Such a man existed 2000 years ago, perhaps he is among us now, or is the hate such that we would nor recognize or accept his message…?

          • Drakken

            Your living in bloody la la land of wishful thinking. That was a wonderful exercise in moral equivalence and national suicide if useful leftist idiots like you get their way. The only way your going to defeat and finally lay that abomination of humanity in the dust heap of history, the only way your going to change islam is giving islam what it deserves and demands, total elimination. Here is a hint for you wishful thinking kumbaya singers, islam is going to force us to deal with them sooner rather than later, you can take that to the bank. War in the end always decides all things no matter what you peace now folks say.

          • defcon 4

            The collaborators and traitors in our own government are just as dangerous.

          • Joanne Hamner

            Our government is actively promoting them and even taking from us to give to them. Including the lives of our navy seals!!!

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            What moral equivalence ?…I’m merely appealing to Muslims in general to get off their ass and demand change…One of their own must articulate that change…And where do you come off calling me a ” leftist useful idiot “…just because I don’t agree with your ” solution ” that war is the only answer..?..I’ve seen war, first hand, as a Marine grunt, and I know what war does to the individuals that fight those wars, so don’t patronize me with your lame bullshit…
            Defcon, where have I stated that any Muslim state provides tolerance and equal rights for non-Muslims.?

          • defcon 4

            You’re delusional. There are no muslime states that have equal rights for non muslims. Are you delusional enough to believe it’s because they ALL don’t see the benefit of “individual freedoms, safety…blah, blah blah”?

          • ziggy zoggy

            There can be no Islamic reformation because islamopithecines believe the crude rantings of the Koran are the actual words of their moon god Allah. And oh, yeah. THEY ARE ALL ANIMALS. It was a debased Arab culture that created Islam, not the other way round.

            It’s hard to believe somebody can be as stupid as you, but anybody who thinks there could be a Muslim Jesus is a hopeless head case.

          • chuck

            THE ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS A DEAD MUSLIM…

          • Yael Farache

            For islam to be “brought to the 21st century” they would have to have a secularization movement similar to that of christianity (reform) or that of judaism (haskala). But this will be very difficult.

            Protestants wante to go back to the fundaments of christianity, that which Christ said and did in his lifetime. And although he did say a couple of violent things “I come to bring the sword and divide families” Jesus Christ for the most part led a peaceful life. He didn’t kill people, cut their hands or feet, or heads.

            As for jews, all the violent passages of the Torah are of a descriptive nature (not orders). Haskala was about merging with the population of the country they were in. “Act like a jew in your home and like a gentile in the street” coupled with a critical and historical view of the biblical texts, most jews are secular and are integrated into the societies where they live.

            But what happens when you go back to the fundaments of islam? Muhammad was a very violent man. His life as it is written in the Sirah and in the Hadiths was filled with militar campaigns, massacres, death, and violence. The Qur’an is filled with the same hatred. There are over 130 violent orders in the Qur’an including that of killing all jews before the time of redemption can come. So islamic fundamentalists, those who want to go back to basics, are in fact the salafists, the crazy radical wahabbis, Al Qaeda and their friends.

            Approaching it from the jewish perspective wouldnt work because any sort of innovation within islam is considered bid’ah: a sin. Innovation in science, or in art is okay, but innovation within politics or religion is bid’ah because it means you think that Muhammad wasn’t perfect, or the Qur’an isn’t perfect, and you have something to add to it, or to change in it.

            Islam is not a religion of peace. Can it become one? It is difficult that this will happen.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            Interesting commentary…So, what’s the answer..? Kill ‘em all and let Allah sort ‘em out as has been suggested by Drakken..? A ” final solution ” for Muslims..? I still say that the answer to Muslim radicalism must come from within their own culture…If that is not possible then they will have to learn to live with the consequences of their lemming-like following and compliant acceptance of a religion that denies human dignity and encourages archaic behavior like pedophilia, submission of women to men, xenophobia, and racial hatred…
            What form these consequences will eventually take is obvious; They will become more and more violent as people demand security and retribution against radical Islam, eventually spilling over to Muslims in general…Silence of the Lambs resulting in their own annihilation…

          • defcon 4

            Considering what muslimes are doing to non-muslims in all their islam0nazi states, what other choice is there? First they exterminate everyone non-muslim in their muslim states, then they expand the extermination to the rest of the world while the lieberal asssholes cheer them on in the interests of social justice?

          • Drakken

            The muslims will continue to wage their jihad against us until we infidels finally say enough is enough and a backlash ensues that will make the Balkans pale by comparison. Human nature being what it is will come to bare and you know deep down inside of you that this does not end well.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Interesting commentary…So, what’s the answer..? Kill ‘em all and let Allah sort ‘em out as has been suggested by Drakken..? A ” final solution ” for Muslims..? I still say that the answer to Muslim radicalism must come from within their own culture…If that is not possible then they will have to learn to live with the consequences of their lemming-like following and compliant acceptance of a religion that denies human dignity and encourages archaic behavior like pedophilia, submission of women to men, xenophobia, and racial hatred…”

            You just answered your own question. The difference is that “The Final Solution” is associated with a bogus racial theory. Islam has nothing to do with race; it’s about ideology. Destroy that. Yes, some people will die. Guess what? They already are.

            We’ve got to pursue our own standards of justice, not theirs. And not some BS multicultural standard either. Start there and see just what it takes to finally keep a totalitarian ideology from threatening our civilization. You might not like where it ends (nobody really does), but you might also not disagree about our standards of justice.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            I disagree…Radical Islam is motivated by religion, ideology being a product of that belief system…Take a look at this article which provides a very compelling argument that supports my assertion through the lens of history: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FH10Aa01.html

            If ObjectiveFactsMatter, as your avatar suggests, perhaps you will see the complexity of human motivation, in both the individual and in groups ( tribes )…

            You speak of justice as if it sits on a throne, unassailed by human nature, with standards writ in stone…Humans set those standards according to their needs in their particular society…for one society, tribe, or individual to claim judicial superiority over another is a prejudiced and flawed argument that uses an appeal to authority for its justification…Using your argument re Islam one could argue that Judaism is not a religion but a body of laws…

          • defcon 4

            Muslimes have already slaughtered millions in the name of their death cult. Millions of Hindus in Bangladesh. A million or more najjis kuffar in N. Africa. The slaughter hasn’t stopped.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            defcon 4…Millions..?…Thousands, maybe, and yes, where is the response…As Drakken has said we are fighting this war, and it is a war, against radical Islam with our hands tied behind our back…political correctness will eventually destroy our American culture…and, yes, there is a distinct American culture, and we are an exceptional people guided by an exceptional Bill of Rights…with-out America the world is rudderless, with-out conviction, and with-out honor…I like to think that my youthful sacrifice meant something to someone, somewhere…and those I left behind were better men than those that pretend to power, those that prostitute themselves at the expense of Americans that still regard honor, duty, and country as a sacred obligation…Israel has been, and always will be a moral and honorable ally of America, and to even consider partition to a terrorist state leaves me baffled and discouraged that such would even be considered by our sophomoric and inept administration…

          • defcon 4

            Some 2.5 to 3 million Hindus were slaughtered in Bangladesh by muslimes, in the 1970′s (and thousands of Hindu women were raped). Between one and two million Christians and other unbelievers have been slaughtered by muslimes in the Sudan/Darfur in the late 20th and early 21st centuries.

          • Drakken

            You seem under the mistaken impression that all people and cultures are equal and have equal value, when it is clear as day they are not and never will be until one or the other reigns supreme, the choice is clear, either our western culture survives and thrives or eastern Islamic darkness does, there cannot be coexistence between the two, it is that simple. Deep down you must know this to be true, otherwise our current re-education system has really done on number on your critical thinking skills.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “You speak of justice as if it sits on a throne, unassailed by human nature, with standards writ in stone…”

            That’s your reaction because of your worldview.

            “Humans set those standards according to their needs in their particular society…”

            True. But not all societies are compatible with each other. When one threatens our fundamental values and forces to choose a winner, I will try to win.

            “.for one society, tribe, or individual to claim judicial superiority over another is a prejudiced and flawed argument that uses an appeal to authority for its justification”

            It varies by circumstance. We have every right to judge others that threaten us.

            “Using your argument re Islam one could argue that Judaism is not a religion but a body of laws.”

            OK. Whatever. Nobody cares. Does it help us to explain anything? People who say that Islam is “not a religion” are usually trying to articulate the fact that it’s totalitarian, not mere religion.

            Judaism is totally compatible with Western values and laws. Islam, not. Not totalitarian. So it’s not clear what your point is other than showing that you’ve read some op-eds from moronic sociologists. I’m totally familiar with the theories and they’re fine as a starting point but not relevant to the salient issues of the war Islam has started nearly 14 centuries ago.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            My point is simply that radical Islam is not just an ideology but a religious progression motivated by fear…fear of losing control, fear of change…You flippantly marginalize ” moronic sociologists ” as irrelevant yet admit their starting point is fine with you…How else can we understand our enemy if we do not understand his motivation…know thy enemy, my friend, and you can defeat him…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “My point is simply that radical Islam is not just an ideology but a religious progression motivated by fear…fear of losing control, fear of change…”

            It’s just not clear to my why you think your point is salient or rebuts what any of us have said.

            “You flippantly marginalize ” moronic sociologists ” as irrelevant yet admit their starting point is fine with you.”

            Fine as a starting point for someone who wants to understand theories and terminology of comparative religion and how societies are organized. Irrelevant to the discussion about Islam versus the West (actually Islam vs. the Rest).

            “How else can we understand our enemy if we do not understand his motivation…”

            I want to clarify, not confuse. You’re taking us backwards by apparently limiting us to foundational theories after we’ve already explained issues that those theories don’t account for. You need to catch up.

            “know thy enemy, my friend, and you can defeat him…”

            Not by following you. Not yet at least.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            By ” catching up ” I assume you mean agreeing with your ” solutions ” to the Islamic problem…First, I don’t see this as an ” Islamic ” problem…Radical, jihadist Islamic terror, yes…Second, history teaches us nothing is black and white with human intercourse…Occam’s arrow does not apply to the clash of cultures, so don’t give me this crap about being threatened by Islam taking over our culture…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “By ” catching up ” I assume you mean agreeing with your ” solutions ” to the Islamic problem.”

            Catching up means demonstrating that you can articulate the salient points before you disagree with them. Of course you disagree if you can’t follow along.

            “First, I don’t see this as an ” Islamic ” problem…Radical, jihadist Islamic terror, yes.”

            “Radical” Islam is Islamic. You have a lot of catching up to do.

            “Second, history teaches us nothing is black and white with human intercourse.”

            And so? That’s your excuse for ignoring all of the important things we’re trying to teach about Islam? We’re not saying it’s simple or binary. But there are binaries that can be applied. Either Islam does or does not teach that it must destroy all other religions and civilizations. Answer: It does.

            “Occam’s arrow does not apply to the clash of cultures, so don’t give me this crap about being threatened by Islam taking over our culture…”

            It depends on how you define threat. They certainly want to take over, there is no question about that. You must be insane to mock those who have clear proof about such a serious question. The only way you can trivialize it is by diminishing their actual ability to compete with us. They can’t compete head to head, but they’ve manage to exact a toll that is already too high.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            So, by your definition radical Islam is an oxymoron…Apparently you are the one that needs ” catching up “…
            You said ” ignoring all of the important things we’re trying to teach about Islam? “…You think teaching is a one-way street..? No critical thinking allowed..? I ignore nothing and recognize unsolicited paranoia when I see it…I also recognize the threat radical Islam represents to Western civilization, but no amount of hand-wringing, blind hatred, or ” final solution ” scenarios are going to provide answers…I also agree with Defcon4 that appeasement is not the answer… The answer lies within the culture itself, starting with the removal of madrassas, their radical teachers, and the tacit support and safe-havens provided by certain governments…Bull in a china shop solutions only empower and embolden radicalism, ask any Irishman about that…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “So, by your definition radical Islam is an oxymoron.”

            I wouldn’t put it that way at all. It’s more like those that are considered radicals by lunatics like you are the fundamentalists holding to the authentic teachings of Islam. Their “radicalization” didn’t come from some obscure recent ideology or from somewhere outside of Islam. That’s the most important point. The ideology itself is “radical” to the Western mind. There are apostates that are not strictly observant, that are some times considered “moderate” and there are also militants that pose as peace makers and “moderates” in order to play a traditional role in the Islamic hudna game.

            “You think teaching is a one-way street..? No critical thinking allowed..?”

            You’re criticism is welcome but so far not helpful.

            “I ignore nothing and recognize unsolicited paranoia when I see it.”

            If you say so. Ignore all of the recent events say, since the end of WWI.

            “I also recognize the threat radical Islam represents to Western civilization, but no amount of hand-wringing, blind hatred, or ” final solution ” scenarios are going to provide answers…”

            You reject our ideas because you don’t like them.

            “I also agree with Defcon4 that appeasement is not the answer… The answer lies within the culture itself, starting with the removal of madrassas, their radical teachers, and the tacit support and safe-havens provided by certain governments…”

            How is that going to happen from within?

            “Bull in a china shop solutions only empower and embolden radicalism, ask any Irishman about that…”

            Dummy, they’re not Irish. That’s what we’re trying to tell you. It might help if you understood more about the ideological distinctions between Islam and Western ideologies before you declare yourself superior around here.

            And aside from that, even though your suggestion is described by you as “from within” it’s something most of us would agree with given the chance. If however the situation grows more urgent before any politicians are able to work out some kind of progressive dismantling of their institutions, it could also get ugly in terms of people defending themselves more effectively than the jihadis had imagined based on watching our troops with their hands tied by political correctness.

            The thing is that you’re not a regular so you might not understand some of the discussions we’ve had in the past. If you want to understand in greater detail what people are suggesting, you might try a little more patience and humility.

            And before you profess to teach, you ought to demonstrate more competence than your audience. And not just by poking in to one or two conversations we have with each other or short remarks about a specific article. Most comments here come from regulars and we’re more or less talking to each other.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            Your smug reply tells me all I need to know about the level of competency and maturity I can expect from this discussion…You have called me an idiot, dummy, lunatic, and ” superior ” because I happen to disagree with your mind-set…I could suggest those terms may well apply to yourself…Since you are ” more or less talking to each other” I’ll bow out and leave you to it…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “because I happen to disagree with your mind-set”

            Dummy, you don’t even have the patience to hear our objective rational reasons behind those “mind sets.” That’s on you.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            You can’t even start a sentence without injecting personal animus into your commentary…Paranoia coupled with an inferiority complex leads you to make asinine comments like I ” don’t even have the patience to hear our objective rational reasons “…You mean ” objective and rational ” comments like these:

            ” The only way your going to defeat and finally lay that abomination of humanity in the dust heap of history, the only way your going to change islam is giving islam what it deserves and demands, total elimination.”

            ” A live muslim is a dangerous muslim, better to be done with them and let allah sortem out.”

            ” There can be no Islamic reformation because islamopithecines believe the crude rantings of the Koran are the actual words of their moon god Allah. And oh, yeah. THEY ARE ALL ANIMALS. It was a debased Arab culture that created Islam, not the other way round.”

            ” all Muslims are jihadists. Indeed, every last one of them.”
            Very rational…Very objective…Had these ” reasons ” been couched in sarcasm they may have been more relevant…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “You mean ” objective and rational ” comments like these:

            ” The only way your going to defeat and finally lay that abomination of humanity in the dust heap of history, the only way your going to change islam is giving islam what it deserves and demands, total elimination.”"

            Yes. Islam is an ideology. It’s perfectly reasonable to assume that after nearly 14 centuries of constant war or planning for world domination that an ideology must be destroyed to prevent further hostility from it.

            ” A live muslim is a dangerous muslim, better to be done with them and let allah sortem out.”

            That depends on context. If you’re walking down the streets of anywhere in the USA, that’s not reasonable because we believe in our own values as superior. I already stated that to you at least once. So we believe in law and order.

            However, taking prisoners on a battlefield and trusting jihadis not to act with perfidy is very risky. Taking prisoners is rarely advised. Put another way, the Geneva conventions and the like don’t apply to them from a legal or moral point of view.

            ” There can be no Islamic reformation because islamopithecines believe the crude rantings of the Koran are the actual words of their moon god Allah.”

            That’s accurate, but incomplete. It’s not just that they believe it, it’s what those words actually teach. In short, they believe they must emulate a pedophile desert pirate as the ultimate pious Muslim. There can be no reformation because the doctrines claim to have defined morality for all time, and furthermore claimed that others in the past had been informed about this but “corrupted” allah’s law. So the doctrines are theoretically frozen and their explicitly warned about people who try to change them.

            “And oh, yeah. THEY ARE ALL ANIMALS.”

            All humans are also animals. If your theology leads you to behave like an animal, then I will assume that is what they’re claiming. I don’t take that position because it’s just a reflection of anger and frustration but doesn’t edify. And of course they’re not all behaving that way. People do exaggerate when they get frustrated.

            “It was a debased Arab culture that created Islam, not the other way round.”

            That’s a valid theory.

            ” all Muslims are jihadists. Indeed, every last one of them.”

            What they’re saying is that all pious Muslims must be jihadis, or they are apostate. Most humans of all walks of life are not actually very familiar with the ideologies they associate themselves with.

            There are over a billion Muslim. How many are jihadis and how many apostates? We don’t know.

            “Very rational…Very objective…Had these ” reasons ” been couched in sarcasm they may have been more relevant…”

            As I said, you’re dropping in to conversations between people who comment to each other all the time, and read the articles here discussing the issues in reasonable detail. We have context that you don’t have. I’m not speaking for everyone of course, but I have a lot of context that you don’t. What I told you was that there are reasonable beliefs behind these statements that hurt your leftist feelings.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            I’ll just comment on one of your statements: ” What they’re saying is that all pious Muslims must be jihadis, or they are apostate “….;You seem to be stuck on a singular definition of Jihad, that being to kill non-believers, a definition propagated and encouraged by Zionist Jews and Messianic Christians…But of course Muslims would be ” apostate ” if they denied jihad…I don’t need to explain to you what jihad means to a Muslim, or how the term has been perverted by radical Islamists…In fact, many Jews, including Noam Chomsky ( whose political views I totally reject ), Norman Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, and Richard Silverstein have been effective defenders of Muslin culture and decry the rabid Islamophobia so pervasive in Western societies…

            A one-time, never-to-be-repeated, lucky sucker punch carried out be a rag-tag group of largely overlooked terrorists has resulted in the loss of thousands of US servicemen and women, billions of dollars wasted, a more insecure Middle East, radical Islam enjoying a boom industry, onerous inspections at airports, and a quantum leap in pervasive government snooping. Osama bin Laden succeeded beyond his wildest fantasies, thanks to a superpower’s collaboration in turning itself inside out in fear and loathing. It has apparently escaped everyone’s attention that the purpose of TERRORISTS is to TERRORIZE, and if we refuse to go along they have failed. My favorite comment on all this was by some obscure comedian on the occasion of the unveiling of the color-coded terrorist threat alerts: “We once had a president who told us the only thing we had to fear was fear itself; now we have a president who tells us it’s our patriotic duty to be afraid, and helped us out with a color-coded scale.” Rarely in human history has a great power so debased itself voluntarily.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “You seem to be stuck on a singular definition of Jihad, that being to kill non-believers, a definition propagated and encouraged by Zionist Jews and Messianic Christians.”

            It’s not the single definition, but it is the most salient definition because it’s valid according to their texts. And their leaders preach it, and count on applying pressure to hesitant “peaceful” jihadis at the right time and in the end we have a lot more people contributing to their war efforts than you want to acknowledge. You simply are deluded on some points of fact, and you haven’t thought through the implications of those facts that you do acknowledge.

            Their ideology leads them to think in entirely different terms about loyalties and correct behaviors. The claim is not that all pious Muslims are praying all the time and contributing to violent jihad all the time for all of their lives. The questions we must ask are related to their abilities to marshal resources and fighters from the uma, and that potential is probably 10 to 100 times greater than you think or perhaps even thousands of times greater than you think. It’s not precisely clear to me just how deluded you are about the supposed corruption of philosophy by “violent jihadis.”

            Pious Muslims must emulate Mohamed. Mohamed wa a violent jihadi. That’s how simple it is when a certain imam or cleric wants to foment violence and marshal resources against non-Muslims.

            On a human level, of course we must remember that many and maybe even most of these people would assimilate in to Western nations if they had a chance to consider all of the arguments against their religious beliefs But people like you prevent us from doing that. You repeat idiotic lies about “Islamophobia” and give others reasons not to have rational conversations about the implications of trying to ignore the real threats from Islam.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            ” You repeat idiotic lies about “Islamophobia” and give others reasons not to have rational conversations about the implications of trying to ignore the real threats from Islam ”

            Perhaps your ” rational conversations ” would be more credible were they to ignore final solutions for all Muslims and propose real solutions to radical Islamic terror…propagating the idea that Muslims in general are unable and incapable of removing the cancer of Wahhabi radicalism, and that we should do it for them by simply removing them from the human equation is unhelpful and by definition, radical ….

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “…propagating the idea that Muslims in general are unable and incapable of removing the cancer of Wahhabi radicalism…”

            Indeed they are incapable. You can’t show that the Wahhabis are wrong. Do you think the Saudi kingdom is going anywhere? Do you think they’re wrong? Do you think the Muslim Brotherhood is wrong about the essentials of Islam? The Shia do, but that’s not really helpful for us. Not in terms of eliminating anti-Western jihad.

            “…and that we should do it for them by simply removing all of them from the human equation is unhelpful and by definition, radical.”

            It’s a case of escalating rhetoric. We’re simply matching their threats to make it clear that regardless of how patient and compliant we seem now, we intend to win when it comes down to the salient battles. They respect strength and showing clarity of conviction now may in the end save many of their lives. I know that seems contradictory but it’s true. Like a warning shot before aiming at the center of the head or chest. It’s a warning shot. Believe me, they understand it better than you give them credit for.

            And lastly, it’s not about eliminating people, it’s about eliminating the threat of an ideology that has incited more violence than any other in history.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            ” Indeed they are incapable. You can’t show that the Wahhabis are wrong.”
            While its true all Wahhabis are salafists, not all salafists are Wahhabis.

            Indeed, I admit I may not be knowledgeable enough in Islamic religious theory to show where the Wahhabis are wrong in their interpretation of the Qur’an, but reformist Muslims are, and they seek to actually change, reform and modernize their faith, similar to what happened to many of the world’s religions. Remember, many Muslims left Muslim majority countries because of religious persecution, particularly women…

            One such reformer, Dr. Zudhi Jasser, president and founder of American Islamic Forum for Democracy ( AIFD ), is a dedicated and brave reformer, that needs to be supported, not vilified. They are sacrificing a lot by coming out and speaking against the Islamist agenda. And if you follow what they say, they are on the same page as many other Muslim and non-Muslims who are opposed to radical Islam, Sharia law, etc……

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Remember, many Muslims left Muslim majority countries because of religious persecution, particularly women…”

            In rejection of sharia convinced that they among only a few understood the “real Islam.”

            “One such reformer, Dr. Zudhi Jasser, president and founder of American Islamic Forum for Democracy ( AIFD ), is a dedicated and brave reformer, that needs to be supported, not vilified.”

            I support Dr. Jasser in terms of hopes and wishes, but not in delusion. I certainly don’t vilify him in any way. His arguments are all based on accepting common Judeo Christian values as Islamic. That’s interesting but in the end it always leads back to Mohamed and it’s ultimately difficult to deny what he was all about. Put simply, those who reject mainstream orthodox sharia are rejecting Islam but for personal (identity conflict?) reasons can’t admit that. OTOH they also invent their own sharia which helps them do the same thing; live in denial.

            If there were any signs of success, I’d be the first to cheer. I understand the arguments but those who put any significant hope in reform are usually in deep denial about the facts. I’d love to be wrong. Why would I oppose Dr. Jasser? He’s just not that influential, and in the end he might even be helping the civilization jihad unintentionally by providing cover for stealth jihadis like the MB and the like.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            As a side note, “Christian” means “messianic.” All Christians are either messianic Jews or messianic gentiles.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            ” As a side note, “Christian” means “messianic.” All Christians are either messianic Jews or messianic gentiles “..
            If you are saying that both believe in the ” Messiah ” you are correct, however using modern vernacular not all Christians are ” Messianic ” in the sense they observe certain religious holidays such as Christmas, Easter, and Palm Sunday, that are not recognized by the messianic Christian…I think Obama may fall into the latter category…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “If you are saying that both believe in the ” Messiah ” you are correct, however, using modern vernacular, not all Christians are ” Messianic ” in the sense they observe certain religious holidays such as Christmas, Easter, and Palm Sunday, that are not recognized by the messianic Christian.”

            Well, I can understand what you’re saying except that it’s confusing because that’s precisely what Christian means. I refer to them as cultural Christians because they believe in Jesus as a kind of secular human messiah.

            “I think Obama may fall into the latter category.”

            0′Bama is special because he’s in to liberation theology as a cover for his communism and his Islamic roots and affinities. Just like his pastor. His personal faith is questionable and not especially relevant because what’s most important is that 0′Bama sees himself as a secular messiah for “social justice,” which apparently includes a regional caliphate in the middle east for starters, and who knows what this man envisions for the future of the globe. It’s anti-Western, that’s for sure.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “But of course Muslims would be ” apostate ” if they denied jihad…I don’t need to explain to you what jihad means to a Muslim, or how the term has been perverted by radical Islamists.”

            Yes, you do need to explain to me how “radical” Islamists have “perverted” the texts calling for jihad. Please explain.

            “..In fact, many Jews, including Noam Chomsky ( whose political views I totally reject ), Norman Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, and Richard Silverstein have been effective defenders of Muslin culture and decry the rabid Islamophobia so pervasive in Western societies…”

            So you’re siding with clueless and deranged people who deny radical distinctions between religions since they’re all “Abrahamic,” they must all be more or less the same. Let’s break for tea and sing campfire songs about peace. What need do we have for further discussion? It’s self evident that anyone who worries about Islam is an Islam-o-phobe.

            Those seminars are always so short and breezy. Good thing they have it all figured out. “OK, hold your neighbor’s hands and follow the text on the screen…”

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            ” Yes, you do need to explain to me how “radical” Islamists have “perverted” the texts calling for jihad. Please explain “…

            20 years ago few Americans heard the word ” jihad “, since the it has been defined as perpetual war against non-Muslims, a ” holy war “… there was a period in Islamic history when this was the official policy of the Muslim state, particularly during the Umayyad dynasty, some 14 centuries ago…Jihad simply means to struggle, to strive, to exert, to fight, depending on the context…It is an internal, individual, spiritual struggle toward self-improvement, moral
            cleansing and intellectual effort…
            Perhaps the Arabic word ” hiraba ” would be better suited for the context you ascribe to and propagate…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Lots of words have varied meanings according to context. Jihad as we use it, and more crucially as Muslims use it, is almost always referring to the obligatory effort to spread submission to Islam throughout the world wherever the Muslim can reach.

            Jihad is not for example, the struggle to be more authentic and accurate with the West about Islamic colonialism in history and future hopes for global sharia. Jihad is essentially anti-Western and anti-infidel in any context.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            ” Jihad as we use it, and more crucially as Muslims use it, is almost always
            referring to the obligatory effort to spread submission to Islam throughout the
            world wherever the Muslim can reach.”
            ” as we use it “, meaning it’s present form since 911 as ” Holy War “, a term that does not exist in the Qur’an but is blatantly used by neo-conservatives and propagated by the MSM to instill fear in LIV’s… …Whereas, ” as Muslims use it ” should refer to radical Muslims, not Muslims in general…Jihad to most Muslims could simply mean making a determined effort to get along with one’s mother-in-law…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Holy War “, a term that does not exist in the Qur’an but is blatantly used by neo-conservatives and propagated by the MSM to instill fear in LIV’s”

            Um, first of all we’re not attempting to directly translate the koran. We’re discussing the implications of Islamic texts and ideology. The implication of jihad is perpetual “holy war” until sharia reigns throughout the globe.

            The intent is not to deceive anyone. You’ve been deceived yourself. As far as the West or any non-Muslim is concerned, jihad to a pious Muslim means holy war preparation and or prosecution, depending on what seems profitable for Islam under the circumstances.

            ” should refer to radical Muslims, not Muslims in general…”

            I guess you’re going to apply the theory that most Muslims are not interested in forcing sharia on non-Muslims. Therefore those Muslims are not pious. Which are mainstream?

            It actually doesn’t matter as much as people think because of what I explained a few days ago. The vast majority of Muslims contribute to jihad, to “holy war” against the non-Muslims when they give to Islamic charities, use Islamic financial institutions and attend mosques that comply with mainstream sharia.

            There are certainly degrees of guilt and degrees of hostility among various individuals and groups, but what concerns us is the ability of hostile leaders to marshal resources. Telling us that only X are radical is roughly equivalent to informing us that only X percent of a given population is currently employed by a certain military organization. You don’t need an entire population actively carrying weapons and speaking belligerently to have that population fully supporting belligerence.

            Which is not to say it’s entire populations. Just as we have peace movements, they have their peaceniks I suppose.

            The bottom line is that most Muslims are collectivists that see themselves as members of the Islamic nation rather than as citizens of any sovereign. Many will submit to Islamic sovereigns but that’s not helpful for us in the West. And then we have people that behave in our nations as loyal “citizens” to an enemy “Islamic nation.” Just as you have “peaceful” factory workers that go off to work making weapons and donating to the war effort with part of their salary, so you have “peaceful” Muslims in our nations that still support war and belligerence against our national sovereignty.

            Because Islam is totalitarian, and it poses as a mere religion in order to hide it’s war preparations. And it’s transnational, so Muslims are used to posing as loyal citizens or subjects in order to assist in these stealth aspects of the jihad. Even if they don’t consciously realize how offensive it is to Westerners, they’re raised to feel this is normal loyalty. And it is for that culture.

            “Jihad to most Muslims could simply mean making a determined effort to get along with one’s mother-in-law.”

            Um, no. Maybe a few new age Muslims think like that. Almost none. If they’re detached from the jihad to bring Islam to the world, they’re detached from the fundamentals of their religion. At most they think some times of that is part of their “jihad” but it’s really laughable for a number of reasons that are probably not worth getting in to now.

            But if you support Dr. Jasser and the wishful thinking he promotes then I understand where you get your hopes from. Let him preach to Muslims and we’ll be convinced when we see the evidence of his pro-Western results.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “A one-time, never-to-be-repeated, lucky sucker punch carried out by a rag-tag group of largely overlooked terrorists…”

            Now you’re channeling Michael Moore. You’re quite the dreamer.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            ” Now you’re channeling Michael Moore “…

            The flatulent Michael Moore is irrelevant to this discussion…however YOU appear to be channeling Daniel Pipes…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “The flatulent Michael Moore is irrelevant to this discussion…”

            Then you have no clue how many memes this mendacious bat fastard has manged to float in to the public discourse about terror and socialism vs. capitalism.

            “.however YOU appear to be channeling Daniel Pipes…”

            While flattering me you insult Dr. Pipes. He’s a lot more patient and diplomatic than I am.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            ” While flattering me you insult Dr. Pipes. He’s a lot more patient and diplomatic than I am.”

            No at all…Having read Dr Pipes many times I find him extremely well-informed, articulate, and passionate in his commentaries…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “A one-time, never-to-be-repeated, lucky sucker punch carried out by a rag-tag group of largely overlooked terrorists has resulted in the loss of thousands of US servicemen and women, billions of dollars wasted, a more insecure Middle East, radical Islam enjoying a boom industry, onerous inspections at airports, and a quantum leap in pervasive government snooping. Osama bin Laden succeeded beyond his wildest fantasies, thanks to a superpower’s collaboration in turning itself inside out in fear and loathing.”

            The real villain here in terms of causing it to drag on is the communists. But if you can only handle checkers or chess strategies in your head then you’ll claim I’m the deranged one.

            By blaming “Islam-o-phobia” or “conservatives” or those who accurately discuss jihad from Mohamed through today are the heroes here and you side with the villains whether or not you realize it.

            Bush hosed it for sure, by giving a damn what leftists might think since they hadn’t stopped attacking him from the moment the election returns were announced. He though he could win the “terror” war and win at least some of them over. Instead we had some of the most deranged radicals taking blatantly anti-American, anti-Western positions from the moment the Taliban were pushed back, some even got started before.

            What the 911 attacks revealed about the West has more to do with communism than jihad. The jihadis are the shock troops. The socialists and communists are the villains doing the plotting from the inside and now there are jihadi villains on the outside (Islamic sovereigns) who are every bit as sophisticated as Western traitors.

            So if we take away the agreement that it’s a big deal, that’s good. If you want to blame Islam-o-phobia and the like, I’ll simply inform you that you’re a victim of deranged leftist ideology.

            I suppose Muslims were victims during the so-called crusades as well? And Mohamed was a prophet seeking justice for all people throughout the world. Just trying to expand “godly” “Islamic peace” and “Islamic justice” everywhere.

            What, me worry?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “It has apparently escaped everyone’s attention that the purpose of TERRORISTS is to TERRORIZE, and if we refuse to go along they have failed.”

            Of course I refuse to be terrorized. Now what? They don’t win if we give them everything we want, as long as we are not “terrorized?” Excuse me, but submission is giving in to terror even if you claim not to be scared. We’re not even talking about fear, or at least I’m not.

            You’re on the side handing out easy victories to the enemy. It would be over already if not for the deranged ideas you propagate, though I realize you got them honestly from “experts.”

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            ” submission is giving in to terror even if you claim not to be scared.”…

            What submission, what giving in..?

            ” You’re on the side handing out easy victories to the enemy. It would be over already if not for the deranged ideas you propagate “……

            So, ” deranged ideas ” are preventing the Islamic Caliphate from happening…Freudian slip, my friend..?

            ” The real villain here in terms of causing it to drag on is the communists “…
            You finally said something I can agree with, although your context is questionable…The modern communist is now a ” progressive “, and Alinsky’s ” always take advantage of a crisis ” plays into your theory…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “What submission, what giving in..?”

            Islam is a religion of peace.

            Workplace violence.

            We don’t really know what motivated the attacks.

            http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57516963/anti-film-ads-in-pakistan-feature-obama-clinton/

            Just those kinds of things.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            ” Just those kinds of things ”

            The MSM does not speak for me…Where do you come off thinking just because it appears in print, on TV, or is a policy statement by some lame-brain liberal administration official that they are speaking for me or the millions of other Americans that disagree with political correctness, insidious diversity, and social engineering…and we also refuse to comply to your ” be afraid, be very afraid ” the world as we know it is ending scenario…Chicken Little does not live in America.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Calling out lies is not “being afraid.” It actually takes a lot more courage to do that than it does to appease people and then claim you’re doing it because you are not afraid.

            I’m not speaking about you personally but generally about the people whose ideas resonate with you.

            And the MSM doesn’t think. It propagates. It propagates the ideas promoted by leftists who appease rather than deal with enemies realistically.

            If I see a dragon and run from it, I’m not going to go and tell everyone that they’re the ones that are scared. I’m running because I’m not afraid to let it live?

            OK. Sure.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            >>” You’re on the side handing out easy victories to the enemy. It would be over already if not for the deranged ideas you propagate “……

            “So, ” deranged ideas ” are preventing the Islamic Caliphate from happening…Freudian slip, my friend..?”

            No, deranged ideas are preventing us from making it clear that it will never happen.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            ” deranged ideas are preventing us from making it clear that it will never happen.”

            Deranged ideas like supporting and encouraging reformist Muslims like Dr. Jasser ?…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Deranged ideas like supporting and encouraging reformist Muslims like Dr. Jasser ?”

            It’s not deranged to support him in preaching to Muslims. It’s deranged in promoting his ideas as already orthodox or mainstream.

            The left uses delusion by talking about their dreams as if they’ve already worked it out and simply need to eliminate those pesky conservatives (who can perform scary accounting tasks that always end in tears). Likewise pretending that it’s “Islam-o-phobia” that is leading to conflict is even more deluded.

            If you want to eliminate Islam-o-phobia you must eliminate the rational reasons for the fear. Right now it’s about the same as if you had called people Nazi-phobes in 1943.

            Going around talking about Islam as if Dr. Jasser is winning the revolution provides cover for stealth jihad organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood and all of the Wahhabi movements, which are not as different from one another as you might think. They have different players and tactics. The rest is more or less the same as far as any non-Muslim is concerned.

            It’s fine to speak optimistically to Muslims about that if you want them to envision a world without coercive Islam (think about that, but not too hard) but if you want to talk about Dr. Jasser at least acknowledge realistically what he’s facing when you speak to non-Muslims. Let me put it to you this way; he’d be dead for a long time if he lived in the middle east. He’s lucky to be alive even now, but in the West many jihadis see him as useful because of what I’ve explained about providing cover. They consider him a useful idiot.

            As much as he seems like a great person…I can’t think of any other Muslim that thinks and talks like he does.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            ” It’s not deranged to support him in preaching to Muslims. It’s deranged in promoting his ideas as already orthodox or mainstream.”…

            I do promote his ideas, however I’ve never claimed them as mainstream or orthodox…Quite the opposite actually, but I do insist that dramatic change of the fundamental precepts of an archaic Islam lies within the culture itself…If we deny that and fail to encourage such brave and forward thinking Muslims then we are guilty of a self-fulfilling prophesy: Muslims cannot change, will not change, do not assimilate with other cultures, are hopelessly mired in the 12th century, therefore they must be removed from the planet…

            Personally, I’m not ready to forfeit my humanity to such thinking…Look, I see radical Islam as a threat to Western civilization, its values and morality, but are those values and moralities so weak that they can be overcome by religious zealots living in caves and dodging drone attacks every day..? I don’t think so…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “You finally said something I can agree with, although your context is questionable…The modern communist is now a ” progressive “, and Alinsky’s ” always take advantage of a crisis ” plays into your theory…”

            Then you probably need to spend more time understanding Islam today and in history. The puzzle pieces will fit more clearly when you see the shapes and relationships.

            Call them what you want, anyone who thinks that we need “social progress” today is insane, if they think the government is going to engineer a better society through compulsion and “social justice” principals. They’ve already gone too far and now they call it progress to shoot for the moon with their delusional ideas.

            Call them crypto-communists if you want because most of them don’t even understand the roots of their own ideologies.

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            ” Call them what you want, anyone who thinks that we need “social progress” today is insane, if they think the government is going to engineer a better society through compulsion and “social justice” principals. They’ve already gone too far and now they call it progress to shoot for the moon with their delusional ideas.”
            Kurt Vonnegut answered that question in his ” Harrison Bergeron ” short story years ago…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “We once had a president who told us the only thing we had to fear was fear itself; now we have a president who tells us it’s our patriotic duty to be afraid, and helped us out with a color-coded scale.”

            FDR was colluding with communists, so he was confident we could easily defeat the enemy of the day. Now we’re fighting an uprising of entrenched communists (well, their robotic children for the most part) and the jihadis are just their shock troops.

            “Rarely in human history has a great power so debased itself voluntarily.”

            But you’re fighting the wrong enemy. The most significant enemy of the West comes from our own 5th columnist crypto-communists.

            Which reminds me of a key point I made earlier, it’s a battle of ideas. Communism, Islam and US constitutional freedoms are all incompatible with each other. Singing campfire songs and pretending the wars are not happening is what the enemy wants because we’re still stronger materially.

            So, you’re aiding the enemy unless you’re a communist or a jihadi (which means that you are the enemy). If you follow POTUS, you can invent your own hybrid between our 2 key enemies.

          • defcon 4

            “radical islam” a delineation without a difference.

          • defcon 4

            It hasn’t happened in 1400 years. Why would it happen now, when they’re clearly closer to establishing their global caliphate on the bodies of dead kufars all over the world?

          • gawxxx

            it’s not hate knuckle head it’s the truth !

          • Softly Bob

            Neville Chamberlain was convinced that Hitler would change his ways once he saw the benefits of a free economy and realised what a nice, charming chap Chamberlain was.
            Look how that turned out!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            He’s confused about who the Nazis are in his false paradigm..

          • mcbee555

            Don’t hold your breath until they realize they’re programmed to violence by their Koran and desert sharia.

          • zoomie

            Osama Bin Laden was islam’s Martin Luther, you d…. a..

          • chuck

            YOU ARE A MORON PLAIN AND SIMPLE…

          • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

            The only thing plain and simple is your IQ which hovers somewhere between an ice cube and beer nuts…If you have disagreements with my statements then lets hear them…quit whining and shouting with caps and present your opposing views as best you can, or shut up and wallow in your ignorance…

        • BerettaM9

          The Jews for the most part are secular dumbazzs like almost everyone else in the world.
          God himself is the reason why they have not been overrun in the last couple decades.
          We will see Israel making more and more bad decisions every year until the time comes when Jesus Christ (God) opens up there hearts and minds to the truth much of them has never been able to see.

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      • gawxxx

        die a horrible and painful death with your family watching ! , love and prayers “satan”

        • defcon 4

          Satan, aka. Allah.

    • Drakken

      Never leave your enemy to fight another day, eliminate now or pay later.

    • Billfrom ABQ

      Amen!!

  • http://www.friv4game.net/ Friv 4

    It seems that the U.S. President was very tired because of work, I hope things will soon be settled. Friv 3

    • TheOrdinaryMan

      You mean tired from all the vacations he takes.

    • victoryman

      Showing up at the office at 11:30…..Lunch……Hoops………Golf……….Dinner……entertainment courtesy of we taxpayers……………………..That’s exhausting stuff.

  • truebearing

    Evil as always, what Obama is saying is that Israel will be on its own, with no help from the US should it be attacked, unless it capitulates and allows genocidal enemies to move into positions that make Israeli self-defense impossible. Obama is demanding Israeli dhimmitude, and implies that a refusal to submit to his Muslim advocacy is justifiable grounds for the Muslims to destroy Israel. Ultimately, Imambama is saying Israel will survive as a country only if it forfeits its sovereingty and allows its worst enemies to determine its policies and borders.

    • Gee

      We have always known that we will be on our own when we are attacked.

      That is alright with us – we don’t need or want others to do what we are required to do. As for the ‘Palestinians’ – it is the exact opposite. They would exist without our help – not the other way around.

      • defcon 4

        I wonder if it would be cheaper, in the long run, to just pay them off to move somewhere else?

        • truebearing

          How about the “Mexican payoff,” silver or lead?

          • defcon 4

            I thought it was sangre o oro?

        • Drakken

          You can rent the savage for awhile, but you can never buy the savage, better to destroy them once for all time. Naw, this is nothing but an academic exercise in futility, your going to have to destroy them sooner of later.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “I wonder if it would be cheaper, in the long run, to just pay them off to move somewhere else?”

          They’re trying that even now. It will never work, and I mean never. Look at how they reacted to the so-called Clinton Parameters and now their expectations are even higher. It’s not about materialistic selfishness as we understand it. It’s about pleasing allah by eradicating non-Islamic sovereigns. You can’t negotiate your way out of that delusion. You must destroy it.

      • truebearing

        Maybe Israel would have been on its own, in the past, if attacked by one or two dysfunctional Muslim neighbors, but of the presidents previous to Imambama only Clinton and Carter would have failed to support Israel in a genocidal attack — the kind that Muslims are now intending, with Imambama’s tacit blessing.

      • Drakken

        Well next time those muslim savages attack you, you might want to up the ante a bit, and level a few of their cities and make it really painful, a complete media blackout would help as well, don’t want the little savages gaining sympathy from the left now do we.
        I say the next time they have a little intifada, you give them a taste of Carthage in the west bank and a Sherman’s March to the Sea in Gaza and expel the rest.

  • Jason

    I think Israel, at least while Obama is president, should seek help from elsewhere. There is no guarantee of Israeli existence if a Palestinian state comes into existence, especially if Jerusalem is given to that state. Israel has proved countlessly that it can defend itself, and it will do so regardless of what Obama says.

    Also, as an aside, seriously, what business is it of the rest of the world what Israel and Palestine do to eachother? In the past they would have fought it out, Israel most likely would have won, and there would be peace after war, as has so often happened. Now, by preventing war, all we get is a quasi war, both sides hyped up, so when eventually it does come, it will be worse than it should have been. 46 years since the last major conflict, the next one will be bloody.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      OPEC and OIC appeasement. We have no idea about the full extent of the behind the scenes extortion that evidently occurs.

      • wildjew

        I believe I read yesterday, somewhere around 18% of the world’s oil reserves comes from Saudi Arabia alone. Don’t rule out or discount historic anti-Semitism as a partial factor.

        • StanleyT

          And with Canada’s oil sands coming online, Saudi influence should wane even further. Of course, that’s if Obama doesn’t give in to the enviro lobby on Keystone (not really on topic, but these idiots are going to end up ensuring that hundreds of oil-bearing trains travel through the pristine lands of the US – far more dangerous and deadly than any pipeline!)

          • defcon 4

            DOn’t forget Russia. Russia has established gas stations throughout Europe/Eurabia.

          • itaintmojo

            Obama will nix Keystone on the basis of environmental baloney. But the real reason he will nix it is that his sheik buds will pay him off to do so…rewards to Obama to come to him after his term is done, and for all of his life…ala Jimmy Carter.

          • defcon 4

            Also a la Idi Amin, rewarded by Soddy Barbaria for his genocide/persecution of the kufar in Uganda by a mansion, pension and safe haven from being persecuted for the genocide he engineered.

      • Drakken

        Lots of money is changing hands for the influence it gets, and it obviously shows.

        • defcon 4

          At this point a 7 Days in May solution might be best.

    • Human

      The next one will end the argument! Psalm 83!

      • Softly Bob

        ‘Can’t wait!

    • itaintmojo

      Canada is now Israel’s best bud. Obama cannot be relied on. Obama is working towards something that will be very negative for Israel. By the time Obama’s term ends, i expect a full about face on US Israeli relations. When these “peace talks” fail, Obama will blame Israel. Its all in whatever deals Obama has going down with his sheik buddies. Those deals make up Obama’s future wealth. Obama sides with the Prophet of Islam, as he has stated. And the Prophet of Islam wants Israel removed.

      You are correct. Israel best be looking at making new friends if they can, or just go it alone. Israel will be a difficult adversary for any country foolish enough to take them on.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        G-D BLESS Canada AND Australia.

        uk is a failed socialist/islamist state.

        • defcon 4

          Even Australia is having problems w/muslimes now. I wonder how long before the multi-cultural magic that is islam infests New Zealand as well.

          • ziggy zoggy

            It already has. Criticism of Islam is verboten there. A hate crime.

          • hiernonymous

            Really? Criticism of Islam is a “hate crime” there? Source, or more soggy intuition?

          • defcon 4

            Your endless lies and obfuscations on the part of islam0nazism aren’t intuitive in the slightest.

          • hiernonymous

            Are you chiming in to offer a source for the information, or are you also merely expressing your resentment?

  • Marty

    The world doesn’t need one more dysfunctional, corrupt, and violent Arab state. The Palestinians are a community of professional parasites who do nothing except hate Israel while accepting Israeli provided electricity, medical care, and jobs.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      The Palestinians are a community of professional parasites

      That’s actually a pretty apt description of the entire Islamic community of Muslims throughout the world, you just need to plug in the word “totalitarian” somewhere into your description to make it little more accurate.

      • Biff Henderson

        I prefer Mafiahoodian protection racket. They’re particularly adept at shaking down their own little band of merry makers.

    • StanleyT

      And also, more charity from the international community than any other group of people.

      • defcon 4

        I wrote my POS senators telling them I didn’t want my tax dollars going to support palesimian islam0nazis. Only one of them responded to my email w/some claptrap about Fatah being in control of the Palesimian territories and how they were so much more moderate than Hamas. She had nothing to say about the ongoing rocket barrages against Israel, I guess in her corrupt or dhimmi-witted mind muslime rocket barrages into Israel are no impediment to the “peace process”.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          If she believes that Fatah is actually more moderate than Hamas, then she is obviously a mentally incompetent loon unfit to be dogcatcher let alone be in the Senate. Especially when you consider the undeniable fact that there are no moderate Muslims, exactly like there are also no radical Muslims either, since the existence of such nonsense is an idiotic political correct myth.

          As a matter of fact, all Muslims in the whole wide fricking world are jihadists in one form or another, as jihad is a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims in one form or another. Either that or they are blasphemous apostates that per the texts and tenets of Islam must be executed, as the freedom of conscience is not allowed in Islam, since Islam in reality is a very totalitarian cult posing as being a religion. Indeed, the sole fundamental purpose of Islam is the subjugation of all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law.

          Hence, not only should she not be supporting the so-called Palestinians because they are not only Israel’s eternal mortal enemy, but also our own eternal mortal enemy and the eternal mortal enemy of all infidels, but she should also be sponsoring a bill in the Senate ASAP to ban and reverse mass Muslim immigration because in reality it is really stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad for the strategic purpose of demographic conquest.

          By the way, the so-called Peace Process is really stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad.

          • defcon 4

            If you want to take her place you’ll get my vote — hands down.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Never!

  • http://www.facebook.com/melvin.polatnick Melvin Polatnick

    Arabs in Gaza and the West bank must be forced to relocate to Jordan and Egypt. But without total US approval this suggestion will quickly end Israel’s existence. Negative world opinion is a barrier for the wandering Jew.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Hey David Hornik, I hate to rain on your parade, but Muslims aren’t terrorists. They are jihadists instead, as jihad, in stark contrast to terrorism, is holy fighting in the cause of Allah for the establishment/expansion of Islam and is a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims in one form or another, i.e., via violence or non-violence through stealth and deception. As a matter of fact, astronomically far more jihad in the world is waged today via this latter non-violent stealth and deceptive form of jihad relative to violent forms of jihad. While terrorism, on the other hand, is not only strictly an infidel manifestation as opposed to an Islamic manifestation, it is also extreme violence perpetrated mostly against civilian non-combatants for various political causes and purposes totally unrelated to the establishment/expansion of Islam. Thus, while jihad is both violent and non-violent, but overall astronomically far more non-violent relative to violent, terrorism, on the other hand, is always and only violent.

    Indeed, specific examples of Muslim jihadists are OBL, the Boston Marathon Bombers, and Major Nidal Hasan, who all perpetrated their acts of violent jihad for the very specific cause of Allah and for the establishment/expansion of Islam. Meanwhile, specific examples of terrorists, on the other hand, are the Unabomber, Bill Ayres, and Bernadine Dohrn, all non-Muslim infidels who didn’t perpetrate their specific acts of terrorism in the cause of Allah like Muslims, but instead because they are unhinged leftwing basket cases.

    Hence, the creation of a so-called Palestinian State would not be a terrorist state but a jihad state instead committed to the destruction of Israel, as the jihad being waged perpetually today against tiny Israel, is just one wing of the many winged and much greater global jihad being waged and conducted by the Islamic world against all religions and all infidels around the world, as the sole fundamental purpose of Islam is the subjugation into Islamic totalitarianism of all religions and all infidels through both violent and non-violent jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Is anybody a terrorist?

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Come on, it’s not that difficult. Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, and The Unabomber are all non-Muslim infidels and terrorists, as they perpetrated terrorism for various political causes unrelated to Isalm. OBL, Major Nidal Hasan, and the Boston Marathon Bombers, on the other hand, were all Muslims that perpetrated violent jihad specifically and only in the cause of Allah for the establishment/expansion of Islam. See the difference?

        Furthermore, the millions of Muslims that have migrated to the West are non-violent stealth and deceptive jihadists because they didn’t migrate here to assimilate and integrate, but instead for the very strategic purpose of stealth demographic conquest.

        While terrorism is always and only violent, jihad, on the other hand, is both violent and non-violent, but overall astronomically far more non-violent relative to violent. Moreover, terrorism is the product of non-Islamic infidel society only. While Muslims alone wage both violent and non-violent jihad because it is a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims, as Jihad is also the highest pillar of which Islam stands.

        The problem is the West routinely conflates and morally equates what is actually jihad as somehow being terrorism, and this causes all kinds of needless problems. For instance, mass Muslim immigration to the West is really stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad for the strategic purpose of demographic conquest. However, because it isn’t violent, it isn’t construed as being terrorism, which is always and only violent, and because it is not construed as being terrorism, it is then allowed to manifest today totally without opposition throughout the West, and never mind the fact that strategically it is a far greater threat to the continued freedom of the West relative to violent jihad. Indeed, in just 23 years France is projected to become a Muslim majority country with several other European countries following suit shortly thereafter. Is that happening by coincidence, or by design? You decide.

        Additionally, the Left always claims that the jihad waged against the Jewish infidels in Israel is a result of Israeli policies. However, the Left doesn’t call it what it is, which is jihad. Instead, they call it terrorism. Hence, the implication is Muslims perpetrate terrorism only in response to harsh Israeli policies. Likewise, according to the Left, 9/11 was America’s chickens coming back to roost, as America’s greedy capitalist foreign policies have been raping the world of its resources for decades, as the propaganda goes. Hence, the 9/11 terrorist attacks, which were actually jihad attacks, was America’s day of reckoning. The truth, however, is the attacks against Israel and also the US are jihad attacks as opposed to terrorist attacks, as they were done specifically and only in the cause of Allah for the establishment/expansion of Islam.

        Make people understand the difference between what is jihad and what is terrorism, and self-hating Leftwing loons and Ron Paul kooks wouldn’t be able to get away with their nonsense. Also, mass Muslim immigration would quickly be banned and reversed before it’s too late.

        And that’s why I give some of the writers on here who allegedly are right wing a hard time when like the Left they too conflate and morally equate what is actually jihad as somehow being terrorism. It’s time for all the misinformation about Islam to end before it’s too late! Indeed, it is never going to end until they stop it!

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Come on, it’s not that difficult. Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, and The Unabomber are all non-Muslim infidels and terrorists, as they perpetrated terrorism for various political causes unrelated to Islam. OBL, Major Nidal Hasan, and the Boston Marathon Bombers, on the other hand, were all Muslims that perpetrated violent jihad specifically and only in the cause of Allah for the establishment/expansion of Islam. See the difference?

        Furthermore, the millions of Muslims that have migrated to the West are non-violent stealth and deceptive jihadists because they didn’t migrate here to assimilate and integrate, but instead for the very strategic purpose of stealth demographic conquest.

        While terrorism is always and only violent, jihad, on the other hand, is both violent and non-violent, but overall astronomically far more non-violent relative to violent. Moreover, terrorism is the product of non-Islamic infidel society only. While Muslims alone wage both violent and non-violent jihad because it is a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims, as Jihad is also the highest pillar of which Islam stands.

        The problem is the West routinely conflates and morally equates what is actually jihad as somehow being terrorism, and this causes all kinds of needless problems. For instance, mass Muslim immigration to the West is really stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad for the strategic purpose of demographic conquest. However, because it isn’t violent, it isn’t construed as being terrorism, which is always and only violent, and because it is not construed as being terrorism, it is then allowed to manifest today totally without opposition throughout the West, and never mind the fact that strategically it is a far greater threat to the continued freedom of the West relative to violent jihad. Indeed, in just 23 years France is projected to become a Muslim majority country with several other European countries following suit shortly thereafter. Is that happening by coincidence, or by design? You decide.

        Additionally, the Left always claims that the jihad waged against the Jewish infidels in Israel is a result of Israeli policies. However, the Left doesn’t call it what it is, which is jihad. Instead, they call it terrorism. Hence, the implication is Muslims perpetrate terrorism only in response to harsh Israeli policies. Likewise, according to the Left, 9/11 was America’s chickens coming home to roost, as America’s greedy capitalist foreign policies have been raping the world of its resources for decades, as the propaganda goes. Hence, the 9/11 terrorist attacks, which were actually jihad attacks, was America’s day of reckoning. The truth, however, is the attacks against Israel and also the US are jihad attacks as opposed to terrorist attacks, as they were done specifically and only in the cause of Allah for the establishment/expansion of Islam.

        Make people understand the difference between what is jihad and what is terrorism, and self-hating Leftwing loons and Ron Paul kooks wouldn’t be able to get away with their nonsense. Also, mass Muslim immigration would quickly be banned and reversed before it’s too late.

        Finally, that’s why I give some of the writers on here who allegedly are right-wing a hard time when like the Left they too conflate and morally equate what is actually jihad as somehow being terrorism. It’s time for all the misinformation about Islam to end before it’s too late! Indeed, it is never going to end until they stop it!

  • wildjew

    Friends of Israel, Obama said, “must recognize that Israel’s security as a Jewish and democratic state depends upon the realization of a Palestinian state….”

    Transportation Minister Israel Katz of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s Likud Party called Obama’s words “one of the worst statements by an American president in history, but Prime Minister Netanyahu remains silent. Why? Because, according to D. Hornik, Netanyahu keeps playing along with this “peace” charade while trying to get Obama focused and realistic on Iran.

    There are, no doubt many pragmatists on the right who think Netanayhu needs to play this “peace” game with the Americans. Telling the truth about Israel’s genocidal enemies, who do not want peace but want to obliterate every vestige of a Jewish state, is out of the question. The fact of the matter is, there will be no peace between a Palestinian state and what remains of the Jewish state and it needs to be said; publicly.

    This charade has gotten so out of hand, Mitt Romney’s surrogate (Sen. Jim Talent) at our August 2012 national party conventions crushed dissenting Republican delegates on the platform writing committee who oppose another Muslim terror state (this one in Israel) by quoting Prime Minister Netanyahu’s own words to the effect he does indeed support a Muslim-enemy state in Israel so long as it is demilitarized. Thus the GOP (my party) is just as committed to Israel’s destruction at the hands of these killers as the democrats.

    So the charade goes on. There will be no truth-telling or hint of the truth from Israel’s prime minister.

  • thatsitivehadenough

    Obama will bring the wrath of God down on him.

    • Kolobok42

      Do you really think so? If so, now or at the end of his life, long after he’s ruined this nation?

  • MidSouthMitch

    This isn’t about the subject of the article, but I found the statement by Fatah:

    “When Fatah says, it does. When Fatah promises, it fulfills.”

    To be really no different from Pres. Obama’s rationalization for proposed US strikes on Syria.

  • MidSouthMitch

    This isn’t about the subject of the article, but I found the statement by Fatah:

    “When Fatah says, it does. When Fatah promises, it fulfills.”

    To be really no different from Pres. Obama’s rationalization for proposed US strikes on Syria.

  • http://www.clarespark.com/ Clare Spark

    All this predictable in 2008 during the campaign. Obama laid out his moral equivalence between Israelis and Palestinians in his second book, Audacity of Hope. I did an essay on the horror of this notion along with the oil dependency of the US here: http://clarespark.com/2009/09/11/oil-politics-and-obamas-view-of-israeli-history/. “Oil politics and Obama’s view of Israeli history.” It felt ominous then, and we reap the whirlwind today.

    • victoryman

      Need we mention the anti-American, anti-Semite Samantha Power? Just look at who Obama has in his cabinet and on his advisory staff. “We are judged by the company we keep.” Shall I mention Farrakhan and the “Reverend” Wright? Netanyahu is a true world leader and knows Obama for what he is. Ditto Stephen Harper in Canada, another leader of the free world. Obama is a celebrity, not a President.

  • DonaldYoungsRevenge

    Is there any folks here at Frontpage, including those commenting believe that Barack Hussein Obama is a fraud? A fraud based on the fact that the April 27th, 2011 computer generated PDF file he called a “long form birth certificate” is a forgery. A fraud based on the fact that he fraudulently registered with the Selective Service in 2008 (see the Alabama Supreme Court case about to render a decision based upon this fraud). A fraud based upon the fact that his SS# (042-68-4425) was flagged several times by E-Verify before the system would not allow anymore folks to report the fraudulent number. Does the use of three fraudulent documents present a good case for demanding an investigation or someone walking into the Oval Office with an arrest warrant? I am not the wacko, you folks who put up with this fraud are the wack jobs.

    • defcon 4

      Bar a mass secession from the union and with holding of all federal tax dollars by the states that secede an investigation like you’re proposing won’t happen.

    • itaintmojo

      Yes he is a fraud. And without the video lie for Benghazi he would not have been re-elected. A fraud and a cheat. Only there are too many liberals covering up for him, and the msm is protecting him as well. Why i’m not sure.

      We have to put up with this SOB of a prez for three more years, and stand by while he destroys the country, in virtually every way. Economy, health, race relations, and foreign policy, all complete disasters on his record. All thats left to find out, is how bad the carnage will be after these next three Obama years passes, and hope that there is a country left to save after he gets done wrecking it.

    • DB1954

      I believe that the B/C is a forged document, but I still don’t think that Obama was born outside the U.S. I don’t believe there was ever a genuine B/C to begin with, but that still doesn’t prove that Obama was not born in Hawaii. Personally I think he was, but that’s because I believe his real father was Frank Marshall Davis. More than likely, Obama was midwifed somewhere in Hawaii. That accounts for the necessity of forging a B/C to put online.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Or the 0 doesn’t want anybody to see the name of his real father on a birth certificate. I don’t know what he’s hiding but I saw a copy of that “long form birth certificate” online and it is a ridiculous forgery. It’s perfectly obvious that he’s hiding all sorts of things but who can keep track of it all? Not even him. He really is an inveterate liar and irredeemable scumbag.

        And the Republicans in Congress are such eunuchs that they let him get away with all of it. The days when they caned Democrats right on the floor are long gone.

        • DB1954

          I’ve also seen the online B/C. IMO, there’s zero chance that Obama’s online B/C is genuine. But in noodling out the mystery that is the person or entity known as Barack Hussein Obama (Junior), an additional thought occurred to me. Even if Frank Marshall Davis was in fact his biological father, how do we even know that Obama himself is aware that Davis is his real father? Further, if Davis was in fact his real father, and if Obama does indeed know that Davis is his real father, when did he first learn or become aware of this fact? Since Obama wrote that he traveled to Kenya to see his father’s and grandfather’s graves, he surely did not know or believe, in any case, that Davis was his real father at that time, or else what would be the use or purpose of such a journey if Obama believed then that Davis was his real father? While I agree that Republicans have behaved like neutered sheep in all matters Obama, bear in mind that George Soros literally purchased 85% plus percent of the American media between 2005 and the present day. The media have followed the Alinsky playbook all along, and Alinsky’s first and guiding principle was of course, the only successful revolution will be a stealth revolution, i.e. keep ‘em guessing about who you are and what you really believe, hence the nebulous and meaningless bromides invariably employed by Campaign Obama, 08: “Hope & Change,” “Change You Can Believe In,” and “Fundamental Transformation.” The media never even inquired as to what KIND of change Candidate Barky Obama had in mind.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Well, the problem is that Obama is the most powerful President since George Washington. He’s untouchable. Washington was physically powerful and hailed as regal. He was so admired that he could have been a King – and there were plenty of Founding Fathers who wanted him to be the King of the Americas. Obama is a weakling but he as subverted his office and every government agency in the country as weapons against anybody who remotely resembles a political opponent – and his “enemies list” includes anybody on the planet who refuses to worship him suffeciently. The Establishment Media work 24/7 to protect and empower him, and they really are King makers. Plenty of Presidents have been corrupt stinkers, but until now, none of them have been willing to break any law or tradition in the pursuit of personal power.

      I really believe that Obama is a terrorist. I think he will say or do ANYTHING to achieve his warped goals. Other Presidents have had the power to commit all kinds of evil, but they were all restrained to certain extents by principle and caution. Obama has none. Not only that, but he hates America and he’s motherfucking STUPID AS $HIT. He is the first fully unrestrained President we have ever been subjected to. If he isn’t a tyrant, I don’t know what is.

      • hiernonymous

        “If he isn’t a tyrant, I don’t know what is.”

        It’s good to see you finally admit it.

    • DB1954

      Can anyone fill us in on the status of that lawsuit involving Obama’s birth certificate in the Alabama Supreme Court? I mean, as of late September, 2013. Has the case been argued before the Court? When might we expect a ruling?

  • wildjew

    Here is what conservatives are facing with Barack Hussein Obama. Obama views conservatives the same way most of the world sees murderous Palestinian Muslim suicide bombers. My late mother used to call this tactic projection:

    “Senior White House Adviser Dan Pfeiffer compared House Republicans to suicide bombers, kidnappers and arsonists in an interview with CNN. Pfeiffer, the former White House communications director who was promoted to the senior spot after the 2012 election, explained President Obama’s unwillingness to compromise on his call for an unconditional increase in the federal debt limit: “What we’re not for is negotiating with people with a bomb strapped to their chest.” He also called Republican counterproposals “ransom demands” adding, “It’s not a negotiation if I show up at your house and say, ‘Give me everything inside or I’m going to burn it down.’”

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/09/27/top-white-house-adviser-dan-pfeiffer-compares-gop-suicide-bombers

    • ziggy zoggy

      All leftists think the same way. The fact that they believe their own lies just goes to show that leftism really is a mental disorder.

  • 2wotvet

    Israel has to recognize a Palestinian state. It can’t survive otherwise. It’s a pipe-dream to somehow think a bunch of European Jews (and yes, they are European, there is no such thing as the ‘Jewish race’. Even Israelis admit that) could go to the middle of the Arab World and establish their own country and expect the Arab population to take it lying down. If Israel was to have been founded by Arab Jews, the Arab Muslims would have been fine with it. Yes, they would have. If Islam was really as Anti-Semitic as all the so called ‘experts’ on Islam claim it is, Jews would have been extinct centuries ago. Muslims could have killed them instead of only taxing them and not having them worship in public.
    “Oh, but that was incentive to get them to convert, Muslims really hate Jews, they were just sneaky about how they chose to eradicate them!”
    That’s funny, why should such a violent religion have any hesitations about killing?
    But as it is, Arabs saw and still see Israel as a colony of Europeans claiming to be Jews (most of the founders were, and many Israelis still are, secularists, the exact opposite of the devout Arab Jews that had existed in the Middle East for centuries). This has, unfortunately, created a surge of Anti-Semitism in the Arab World today, but it can be eliminated if Israel was to change its image from that of a European enclave where Arab citizens, (even Arab Jews), are still discriminated against to that of a country for all Jews, and if its people started practicing Judaism, instead of having so many secular elements within it and if it recognized a Palestinian state. If this happened, then a lot of the hatred aimed at Israel would die away. There will be some lunatics left, but they would quickly die off, and it would likely be Arab states who would eliminate them, once they realize that Israel is no longer an oppressive piece of Europe in their homeland.
    “Oh, but there’s still Iran”.
    Except there isn’t. The Supreme Cleric has declared the use of Nuclear Weapons as ‘un-Islamic’. And if it intended to ‘wipe Israel off the map’ without nukes, it would have done so already.

    • defcon 4

      DUh, when ISrael was under Ottoman rule, the muslimes DID persecute Jews and Christians. Pogroms were committed against the Jews of Jerusalem in the 1920′s by muslimes. At one point the Grand Mufti declared the Western Wall off-limits to Jews. Your lies are as thin as tissue paper.

      • 2wotvet

        Pogroms were commited only in the 1920s? Why did the evil Muslims wait all those centuries to do so, if Islam is so Anti-Semetic? And why only pogroms? Why didn’t they build extermination camps?
        “Because they were to stupid to build and organize it”
        Really? If the Koran truly commands Muslims to obliterate the Jewry, you would think they might feel compelled to come up with the best way possible to follow Allah’s will, wouldn’t you?

        • Drakken

          Your really not up on your history are you? To try to explain it to you seems like an excise in futility. There have been through out Islamic conquest brutal pograms against the jews where ever they had the misfortune of being on the wrong side of the fence of islams occupations.

          • 2wotvet

            Only pograms though, no different then what Christians did to Jews in Europe during the Dark Ages, not the ‘horrendous drastic holocaust times a billion’ genoicide that todays Muslims supposedly want to commite so badly because the Koran and Hadith commands of it of them. If Muslims were dively commanded to wipe out Jews, then why didn’t they wipe out the Middle Eastern Jewry when they had the chance? Why risk letting some of them survive under the Dhimmi system? And when the Islamic Empires fell, why did the Muslim population let the Jews who did survive under the Dhimmi system live?

          • ziggy zoggy

            What Jews live under the dhimmie system in camel country? They are fictional. They were all murdered long ago.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Only pograms though, no different then what Christians did to Jews in Europe during the Dark Ages…”

            Here we go. Another “history student” that is taught to pull selectively from the grievance and moral equivalence-filtered timeline. Knows all about history but not why pogroms would intensify after the caliphate was dissolved as a consequence of WWI.

            “If Muslims were dively commanded to wipe out Jews, then why didn’t they wipe out the Middle Eastern Jewry when they had the chance?”

            Muslims don’t always try to destroy people who submit to sharia. We’re talking about their desires to kill independent Jews who refuse to submit to totalitarian religions that are clearly based on false pagan gods. You know, those Jews.

            “Why risk letting some of them survive under the Dhimmi system?”

            Because someone has to get things done or their societies would be even worse off functionally. Who else to do the work while pious Muslims pray 5 times a day and night?

            “And when the Islamic Empires fell, why did the Muslim population let the Jews who did survive under the Dhimmi system live?”

            Because they’re incompetent and a few have a conscience that keeps them from executing on these mainstream maniacal ideas. Many were killed. Just because. Exactly as we’ve explained many times.

            If you cared about those questions, you’d find the historical answers rather than presenting them as supposed riddles.

          • Drakken

            Thank you for explaining that a lot more eloquently than I could. I am simply amazed at how dumbed down our college so called educated folks are in todays world.

          • DB1954

            Excuse me, but “the Dark Ages” began 1500 years ago and ended more roughly 500 years ago. The Inquisition began the campaign to rid the Iberian peninsula of ALL non-Catholics in 1492, when Ferdinand and Isabella’s Christian armies defeated the last Moorish kingdom and expelled or killed the last Muslims. The Inquisition’s purpose wasn’t to kill or eradicate Jews, it was to eradicate all non-Christian religions from what would be a united, Catholic Spain. No Christian today would deny that there was serious anti-Semitism in Christian European history, but Christianity has changed just a little in the last millennium don’t you think? I mean, we’ve had 600 years longer than the Muslims for our religion to reach maturity. Show me a Christian–by that I mean a genuine Christian not the one in 100,000 brain-dead, illiterate “fundamentalist,” “Biblical literalist,” or certified nutcase–who believes that the anti-Semitic violence of ages past was ever morally justifiable. Show me one who will go on record as saying that violent “pogroms” against Jews are morally defensible. Good luck, you’ll be hunting for him until h*ll freezes over.

          • defcon 4

            They were addicted to the wealth Jews created for the islam0nazis who ruled them? After all jizya has been a cornerstone of islam since forever.

          • defcon 4

            Dhimmi system, otherwise known as slavery.

          • defcon 4

            “only pogroms though”, the mindless machinations of the islam0fascist.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Pogroms were commited only in the 1920s? Why did the evil Muslims wait all those centuries to do so, if Islam is so Anti-Semetic?”

          No, that’s when Arab pogroms started because the British freed them from Turkish rule. And the pogroms were intensified then because the British also freed the Jews from Turkish sharia. It therefore became an Islamic obligation then to attack them and any other people that refuse to submit to sharia.

          Study history a bit before you cop an attitude.

          • Arf

            Thank you, objective. Here is another bit of information for those who think Jews lived peacefully in Muslim Arab lands prior to Israel: Over 200 years agoin the land now known as Libya, if an Muslim spit at a Jew, and the Jew put up his hand to shield his face from the spittle, it was considered to be “raising a hand against a Muslim” and it was punishable by death. But not just any kind of death. The Jew was to have his hand nailed to a door and his face painted with honey so that bees and other insects would devour the life that was left out of him. If any person were to try and alleviate his pain in any way, the same fate would befall them. I assume this also happened to Christians or other “infidels.” A “pogrom” is what people engage in when the official law does not do a particular thing but only looks the other way when a mob engages in it.

          • defcon 4

            That’s unbelievable, but not surprising. I believe one of the reasons the muslimes of the Golden Age of Al Andalus had so little problem slaughtering thousands of Jews when the Emir(?) appointed a Jewish governor to rule over a province was the fact that the najjis kaffir were not allowed to possess weapons of any kind — kinda like the US government seems to want to do the citizenry today.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Jordan is Pal-e-SWINE. That’s the East bank of the Jordan River.

      And the Paleswinians have a beautiful Queen – Queen Rania – that staggering sow Suha Arafat who with her $22M pension doesn’t live with her “people”, but in Paris, Tunis and who knows where now.

      Meanwhile the world sees Arab culture at it finest. 120,000+ dead in the Syrian Civil War, and the FAKE ant-war movement can’t bring themselves to protest the genocide – because it would the Counter Revolutionary to oppose KGB Putins pal Basher Assad.

      • DB1954

        You know that the Italian journalist, Oriana Fellacci, said that Arafat had a wife and a stable of buhtt boys too. Yes, Fatty-Arab liked those boys more than he liked that fat wife.

        • ziggy zoggy

          He died of AIDS.

          • DB1954

            Seriously?

    • Alan

      Huh?

    • Drakken

      Here let me help you out with the delusion you have gotten yourself into. There will NEVER EVER be a two state final solution period, end of story. The muslim pali’s don’t want peace and never have and never will, they want every Jew dead and all of Israel proper and they don’t care how many bodies it takes to achieve that pipedream, one little problem, the jews are not going to go quietly into that nightmare.

      • 2wotvet

        Every Jew dead? How could there still have been Arab Jews left in Palestine in the early 20th century if the Muslim Palestinians ‘wanted every Jew dead’? The Jews there should have been wiped out centuries ago.

        • ziggy zoggy

          “Arab Jews?” You’re a nut bag. Psuedostinians in the early 20th century? Insane doesn’t begin to describe you.

          • DB1954

            A veritable nutbagger.

        • DB1954

          What’s an Arab Jew? There were always SOME Jews living in “Palestine” just as there are SOME Jews left in Cairo today. Read a book.

          • Kolobok42

            Were there always Arabs living in Judea and Samaria?

          • defcon 4

            LOL. I’d love to see our islamic apologist reply to this, but he won’t.

          • DB1954

            Of course there were. So what? Did you miss my post about the international law of war?

          • defcon 4

            ALways? I call bullshit.

          • DB1954

            defcon4, I don’t claim to be an authority on the various tribes who inhabited the middle east 2 or 3 thousand years ago, but in modern times referred to as countries such as Israel, Jordon, Egypt, Lebanon, etc. I don’t even know why I’ve been asked a question about Judea and Samaria, since that was thousands of years ago. I can only say that I think those were Roman provinces at the time of the birth of Christ (1 C.E.). What I do know is that there were Semitic tribes of all kinds inhabiting that region. That would include both Jews and Arabs, unless you have information about the ethnicity of population groups from 2000 years ago to contradict me. It wasn’t just Jews who spoke Aramaic, by the way. That language is still spoken to some extent in Syria. It seems to me sensible to assume that some, if not most in Judea 2000 years ago were Jews, and that there were other Semitic tribes, generally referred to in modern times as “Arabs” throughout both Judea and Samaria. I mean, do you know better? Then say so with a response other than “b.s.” Why do you call it “b.s.”? First of all, the matter is not relevant to my post. I originally said that in 1948, and for decades thereafter, the Arabs attacked the Jews in what was the Jewish half of the British Mandate.The Arabs lost, and they therefore legally forfeited land, if they ever laid claim or held title to it within what is today, Israel. The phenomenon was repeated several more times before the end of the 20th century with the same results: the legal forfeiture of lands to the Jewish state and those who then took lawful possession of those lands.

          • defcon 4

            There’s no proof whatsoever Arabs were living in Israel pre-CE.

          • DB1954

            Ok, there you have it. From the expert on ancient Semitic tribes and the cultural geography of middle east antiquity himself, defcon 4.

          • DB1954

            Hmmm, that’s funny because in the course of my admittedly cursory search for information on this matter, I found that both ancient Judea and Samaria had both been conquered at various times and ruled by tribes of various kinds including various Semitic tribes, Arabs, Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, Persians, (Persians of course, are not Arabs, I do recognize), etc. But since I hardly qualify as an expert on matters involving that region especially in antiquity, I defer to your expertise in the matter: There were never ANY Arabs living in what is now the modern day state of Israel prior to year 1 CE. None, zero, not one, ever.

          • defcon 4

            Ever heard of evidence? It’s your theory, it’s your responsibility to prove it.

          • DB1954

            No, to the contrary, it’s YOUR theory that there was never a single Arab in ancient Judea and Samaria. Not one. Ever. I also said that you’re the expert here, not me. I said, I defer to your knowledge of the matter. I therefore said, as you said, that there was never a single Arab in the lands of ancient Judea and Samaria. I only did a cursory internet search of the wikis and websites, but again, I’m not disputing the matter with you. Now you come up with evidence to support your theory with which I already agreed.

          • defcon 4

            I wrote there was no evidence to support the idea that Arabs were in Israel pre-CE.

          • DB1954

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(Samaria)

            defcon, here’s just one wiki which I gleaned from my admittedly cursory search. From what I have gathered, the term “Arab” is of a more recent vintage. In any case, Arabs are, like Jews, a Semitic people. Apparently, the Arabs who live in the areas surrounding the modern nation-state of Israel, and the few who live in Israel itself, are descendants of ancient Semitic tribes, more specifically, the Assyrians and the Babylonians. Both of those groups were early invaders and conquerors of Samaria, and/or Judea, and these invasions occurred in very ancient times, that is to say, before the term “Arab” came into use to describe the aforementioned people. From another website I learned that Jews have always claimed that their homelands are in and around the areas I refer to here as ancient Judea and Samaria. The two regions have over the course of many centuries changed slightly from time to time, but in any case, I believe that the Israelis have a bona fide belief that these two lands are those which God gave them, and that their claim to these lands as their homelands is entirely legitimate as far as I’m concerned. AGAIN, I know next to nothing about antiquity or Jewish/Hebrew history, but the sources I consulted acknowledge that there were multiple invading armies of these lands beginning, I believe with the Assyrians, who were, as I said, one of the root Semitic tribes from whom modern day Arabs in the middle east region can trace their ancestry. There was also a time when another Semitic people, the Babylonians, conquered ancient Judea and Samaria. I would assume that since the Babylonians were a non-Jewish, Semitic people, modern day “Arabs” can trace their ethnic or blood origins back to the time of the Babylonian conquest of Judea and Samaria. There were also multiple invasions of Judea and Samaria by non-Semitic peoples, and the last of these before year 1 CE, was of course that of the Romans. The point is, that according to the accounts I have read on the wikis and such, the Jews of Judea and Samaria were conquered and forced to live under the rule of non-Jewish conquerors on more than a handful of occasions prior to year 1 CE. Some of those conquering peoples were the blood predecessors of the people we today call “Arabs,” those who live all over the middle east region today. There seems to never have been a time prior to 1 CE in which the Jews of Judea and Samaria did not resist conquering tribes. Indeed, at various periods, the Jewish Kingdoms of the southern Levant defeated and conquered other tribes, one example being the defeat of the Philistines by King David. In any case, the Jews living in Judea and Samaria rebelled, it seems, throughout all times prior to and during Roman occupation in 61 BCE. In recognizing that the ancient Jews were at least twice ruled by “Arabs,” I am NOT making a case for the legitimacy of Arab claims on the West Bank today. To the contrary, I made the case that Jews have ALWAYS lived in the areas known as Judea and Samaria which includes the West Bank, and moreover, I contended that since 1948, the “Arabs” of surrounding countries and peoples launched multiple wars of extermination, genocidal aggression against the Jews who lived in the “Jewish” part of the British Mandate of Palestine. The Jews defeated these Arabs in a war, and for that reason, I said and I continue to say that all the lands of the West Bank rightfully belong to Israel under the international law of war. I obtained my information, such as it is from this and related and linked sources:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

          • defcon 4

            I don’t think you’ve proven these invaders were Arabs, but it’s an interesting theory. Cyrus the great wasn’t an Arab, I don’t think the Babylonians were either.

          • defcon 4

            wikipedia is carp. If 5 muslimes vote that islam is a religion of peace and two najjis kuffar vote that it’s a death cult guess which viewpoint gets reflected? This is aside from the fact that the sponsorship of wikipedia affects their facts and impartiality as well.

          • DB1954

            defcon4. I TOLD you: I’m not a scholar of the ancient middle east. I’m a retired lawyer, and I have a master’s in US history. I don’t have the time or the inclination to give you scholarly references like I’m writing a PhD thesis on ancient middle east history or sociology. If you dispute what they have said about this, then your beef is with them. Address them with your doubts about the information on that website, not me, and while you’re at it, you might post YOUR references in support of your theory.

          • DB1954

            What do you refer to by the names Judea and Samaria? Are those not the names which the Romans gave provinces in that region. Am I wrong? you tell me. It seems to me there were Semitic tribes of all kinds living all over and throughout the region we know today as the middle east: Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, etc. As I understand it there were also non-Semites living in that region as well, people such as the Greeks and Romans.

        • Drakken

          Your either being incredibly obtuse, or you fell off the short bus after licking one too many windows. The muslims in their extremely primitive mindset think and believe that once Islamic lands, always Islamic lands. They want Israel back no matter the price and how long it takes, once you understand that, you will be getting somewhere.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      It’s a pipe-dream to somehow think a bunch of European Jews (and yes, they are European, there is no such thing as the ‘Jewish race’

      Hey moonbat…what about the roughly 1 million Arab Jews ethnically cleansed with little more than the shirts on their backs from the surrounding Islamic countries in retaliation for the nascent state of Israel defeating the war of annihilation the Muslims had attempted in 1948/1949? They don’t count for anything in your extremely anti-Semitic and very unhinged mind because they are Jews or something?

      Even Israelis admit that) could go to the middle of the Arab World and establish their own country and expect the Arab population to take it lying down.

      I hate to rain on your incredibly gullible useful idiot parade moonbat, but being Arab or not being Arab has exactly nothing whatsoever to do with the jihad the Islamic world is waging against the Jewish infidels that have a very thriving democratic state in the heart of the Islamic world. The problem is the sole fundamental purpose of Islam is the subjugation into Islamic totalitarianism of all religions and all infidels through both violent and non-violent jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law. Hence, I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you, but besides the Jewish infidels in Israel being on the Islamic target list, so are you and I and every fricking non-Muslim infidel in the world. So pull your head out of you know where and come up for air some time, why don’t ya!

      If Israel was to have been founded by Arab Jews, the Arab Muslims would have been fine with it.

      Whatever it is you are smoking, please send me some of it, because it must be special. So according to you, it is only Arabs that have a problem with the tiny state of Israel. So if that is the case moonbat, then why are the fricking Iranians planning to annihilate Israel with nuclear weapons? I mean the Iranians aren’t Arabs; they are Persians! What about the Pakistanis, the Afghanis, the Indian Muslims, the Malay Muslims, the Muslims in Indonesia, and the millions of Muslims living in the West for the strategic purpose of stealth demographic conquest, they all hate and despise Jews too? They don’t count? By the way, moonbat, they also hate you and I and all non-Muslim infidels as well! Just how incredibly gullible can you be!

      If Islam was really as Anti-Semitic as all the so called ‘experts’ on Islam claim it is, Jews would have been extinct centuries ago.

      Are you a bit insane too? Islam is a very aggressive and destructive form of totalitarianism masquerading as being a “religion of peace” to dupe very gullible useful idiots exactly like you that it intends to one day subjugate. They don’t massacre entire populations and civilizations. Just enough of the population to render it into Islamic subjugation, which is harsh and degrading dhimmitude from which they then extract from the Dhimmis the Jizya, i.e., the tribute. Exactly like all forms of totalitarianism, Islamic civilization is a parasitical civilization that is totally 100 percent dependent upon the bootie it can extract from other nations and civilizations. Other than jihad and lots and lots of misery, Islam is incapable of producing anything on its own. What grade did you drop out of lower elementary school at? Apparently, critical thinking wasn’t part of your curricula. You must be a victim of the new education that is really more of an indoctrination to elicit a particular type of thinking and behavior to make you moonbats compliant with the state. In other words, you are a zombie of the state!

      Muslims could have killed them instead of only taxing them and not having them worship in public.

      Why would Muslims be so stupid, especially when you consider the fact that their civilization is 100 percent parasitical? Maybe if you were the Muslim Caliphate you would be so stupid, but that’s you. Why would you assume that Muslims are nearly as unhinged and mentally incompetent as you? They are not. Give us a break!

      That’s funny, why should such a violent religion have any hesitations about killing?

      Uhm…the first and foremost prerequisite of Islam is the total, complete, and unconditional submission to the “will of Allah” of all Muslims under the penalty of death for blasphemy and apostasy? What true religions have as there first and foremost prerequisite the total, complete, and unconditional submission to the will of God under the penalty of death for blasphemy and apostasy exactly like Islam? The answer, of course, is none of them, because Islam obviously isn’t a religion. Instead, it is a very totalitarian cult masquerading as being a religion to dupe the very gullible useful idiot infidels like you it intends to subjugate into Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law. Talk about oblivious!

      But as it is, Arabs saw and still see Israel as a colony of Europeans claiming to be Jews (most of the founders were, and many Israelis still are, secularists, the exact opposite of the devout Arab Jews that had existed in the Middle East for centuries).

      Apparently, you are addicted to swallowing taqiyya (dissimulation and prevarication) like it is your favorite food? Even as you watch them persecute and slaughter Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and any and all infidels not only throughout the Islamic world, but also beyond the Islamic world as well. Indeed, your mind has been rendered so narrow that it is actually closed. Sucks big time to be you, as you are trapped!

      This has, unfortunately, created a surge of Anti-Semitism in the Arab World today, but it can be eliminated if Israel was to change its image from that of a European enclave where Arab citizens, (even Arab Jews), are still discriminated against to that of a country for all Jews, and if its people started practicing Judaism, instead of having so many secular elements within it and if it recognized a Palestinian state.

      Just wonderful sentence structure right there. Beautiful, indeed.

      If this happened, then a lot of the hatred aimed at Israel would die away.

      Sure and the deserts would bloom as well!

      There will be some lunatics left, but they would quickly die off, and it would likely be Arab states who would eliminate them, once they realize that Israel is no longer an oppressive piece of Europe in their homeland.

      In other words, Muslims perpetrate terrorism because of European Jews, just like they also perpetrate terrorism against Americans because of the US’s greedy foreign policy. Indeed, jihad, which is holy fighting in the cause of Allah for the establishment/expansion of Islam, in stark contrast to terrorism, has nothing whatsoever to do with anything at all, as Muslims according to the kool-aid you drank only react because Islam according to you is strictly a religion of peace. Indeed, that’s your unhinged and incredibly idiotic argument in a nutshell.

      By the way, please explain to us exactly how Israel oppresses Muslims, especially since the Muslims living in Israel are not only the most educated Muslims living in the Islamic world, but also as a group the most affluent. Meanwhile, all non-Muslim dhimmis living throughout the Islamic world in the various totalitarian hellholes that comprise the Islamic world are all without exception incredibly persecuted when not out and out slaughtered altogether? Time to take off your blinders moonbat! Maybe we should start reciprocating here in the West against the Muslim invaders.

      “Oh, but there’s still Iran”.

      Oh yeah, the Persians!

      Except there isn’t. The Supreme Cleric has declared the use of Nuclear Weapons as ‘un-Islamic’. And if it intended to ‘wipe Israel off the map’ without nukes, it would have done so already.

      Seek mental help for your very severe mental disease! And whatever you do, stop drinking the Islamic kool-aid (Islamic taqiyya) please. Please find something else more refreshing and a little less destructive to drink. Wow…how gullible can one be! This moonbat obviously takes the cake!

      • 2wotvet

        “Islam is a parasitic totalitarian state”
        Then Israel has nothing to worry about, does it? If Islam is a parasite and doesn’t massacre entire populations and civilizations, then its counter-intuitive to nuke Israel to a smoking crater, isn’t it? The dumb, incompetent Muslims wouldn’t be able to steal all the scientific and military booty and other resources in Israel was wiped off the map.

        • defcon 4

          Whoever said muslimes were dumb? Muhammad was obviously a genius, a twisted, Jew hating psychopath, but a genius nonetheless.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          Look moonbat…if you are going to quote me, then quote me accurately. Don’t be putting words in my mouth I didn’t say moron! Like I said, seek mental help for your severe mental problems! Of course, it’s probably too late in your case! What a mental midget!

  • Mladen_Andrijasevic

    President Obama in his speech to the UNGA said: “Real breakthroughs on these two issues – Iran’s nuclear program, and Israeli-Palestinian peace – would have a profound and positive impact on the entire Middle East and North Africa.”

    The world is facing its gravest moments since the Cuban Missile Crisis. If Iran gets the bomb it will probably use it undeterred, since according to Bernard Lewis – “for people with this mindset, M.A.D. is not a constraint; it is an inducement“. Millions may die. But what does President Obama put in the same sentence along with the prevention of this looming catastrophe? The resolution of the Arab –Israeli conflict which ranks 49th in terms of number of fatalities. This is absurd. It demonstrates that President Obama either does not understand the magnitude of the Iranian threat or he has inflated the importance of the Arab –Israeli conflict hundredfold . Either way, his policies are detached from reality.

    President Obama’s abysmal leadership – yet nobody cares
    http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/president-obamas-abysmal-leadership-yet.html

    • truebearing

      He understands quite well what he is enabling, whether it is an economic collapse of the United States, or starting a war against Israel in the Middle East. Obama is a Meccan Horse, dedicated to the destruction of this country and Israel.

      People make the mistake of interpreting his “blundering” as accidental and the result of incompetence, and while there seems to be vast amounts of evidence supporting that assessment, one has to consider Obama’s objectives first. If his goal is to destroy the US, he is doing so brilliantly. If fomenting Muslim war with Israel is his goal, he is performing very well. Keep in mind: Obama is narcissistic to the point of evil. His agenda, driven by his dual ideological roots of Islam and Marxism, are all that matters to him. He is not a typical President of the United States, trying, right or wrong, to better the nation. He is the Anti-President….and he hates Israel.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        and Obama hates the USA. Rev. Wright taught him to.

        • truebearing

          He was taught to hate America by Wright, but before that by his mother, his grandparents, Frank Marshall Davis, and practically everyone of his Muslim teachers in Indonesia, not to mention a slew of Marxist professors at Columbia and Harvard. Oh, and I almost forgot, his fellow communists in Chicago when he was a member of the New Party.

        • DB1954

          Before that it was his real father: Frank Marshall Davis.

    • DB1954

      I care, but what can I do? Obama’s a madman. He worships himself as a god, and so do his supporters. He’s NEVER wrong about anything. He would probably launch an FBI investigation of anyone who disagrees with him if he could do so and get away with it.

      • defcon 4

        He already has done something similar with the IRS.

  • handsomedan

    PRES. OBAMA IS AS STUBBORN AS A FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD THAT WON’T EAT HIS VEGGIES !!!

  • defcon 4

    If Israel had a couple hundred nuclear tipped MIRV’d ICBM’s, the scumbags in D.C. would have a whole new appreciation for the state of Israel and so would the members of the OIC/UN.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      It doesn’t?

  • TheOrdinaryMan

    “…while trying to get Obama realistic and focused on Iran.” Mr. Hornik: Good article as always, but I doubt if Netanyahu is doing anything at this late date, but hoping for the best. Wasn’t it just a couple of months ago that the US Dept. of Defense released the top secret details of Israel’s AMAR-3 missile installation? This deliberate(“Standard procedure” said a DOD spokesman) leak severely compromised Israel’s security and rendered the use of this missile interceptor system very problematic. HOW can Bibi change Obama’s mind on Israel?

    • DB1954

      He can’t and never will. Obama’s hatred for Israel is no less than his hatred for his own country. Obama will never change his mind. He bristles at the mere suggestion that he could be wrong about anything. In fact, he’s infuriated at the mere mention that he’s imperfect.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Yes, and he surrounds himself with sycophants. Have you ever noticed the creepy looks of rapture on the faces of the people around him in group photos? He is such a deluded fool that he actually believes his own press. I think he is the most conceited and overconfident elected official in human history.

        • defcon 4

          I think it’s been proven that some of the people in his campaign photos were paid shills.

          • ziggy zoggy

            He really is the most contemptible excuse for human being imaginable.

          • DB1954

            In a related matter, I’ve noticed for years that Obama looks and acts exactly like the actor Denzel Washington playing the part of Malcolm X. You can see this most clearly in his clipped manner of speaking, and his head motions which scan his audience left, right and back again. I’d bet my bank account that Obama studied that movie and tried to emulate DW’s performance for hours. He has also retained a particular and very noticeable facial expression in which his eyes are hooded looking, he lets his face drop slightly so that he’s peering from up under his brow. It gives him a remarkably sinister look, the hooded eyes, etc. Maybe I can’t quite describe it very well, but I know it when I see it, and it just strikes me as an affected sinister stare, something like his personal hate stare in which he’s trying to send an intimidating message with his eyes.

          • defcon 4

            INteresting observation.

    • ziggy zoggy

      I think Netanyahu has been reviewing bombing run plans for Iran while he pretends to give two $hits about what Obama thinks.

  • AnaLorenaVictor

    working hard for the Muslims instead of the US, wait he hates us, I knew this before he was elected, I knew he wanted to weaken and destroy US to give it to his Muslim brothers and he is doing just that.

  • http://palestinename.com Beth

    “Israel’s existence does not depend on anything, especially not the Palestinians”

    I believe those words to be the best response of all.

    As a Christian, I’d like to share the following with other Christians who may be reading this (very informative) article and who are disgusted with such an evil remark coming from the present American administration.

    Know the following:

    The Dead Sea Scrolls were written long before the Koran was and were kept untouched until 1947 when they were discovered. The prophecy about Palestine is in those Scrolls and in the King James and Geneva Bibles – the orginal english Bibles. That’s 3 original witnesses.

    There isa song (prophecy) of Moses that the saints ‘sing’ – mentioned in Rev 15:3

    And it begins with this:

    Exd 15:14 The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina.

    1Ti 1:18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy [and all true Christans], according to the prophecies which went before on thee

    - that thou by them

    - mightest war a good warfare.

    The song of the saints is the sound of war by words – Exd 32:17.

    Fact:

    The Koran never even mentions the name Palestine. How many people know this? (My guess is – not many).

    But a prophecy about Palestine is found in the Bible:

    Isa 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone – in – his – appointed – times.

    (This prophecy is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls – word for word. Important to note – since those scrolls were written long before the Koran was and were kept untouched that whole time. This fact leaves the author of the Koran very vulnerable and his followers with no holy support for Palestine. In fact, it leaves them condemned.)

    The ‘smoke’ that comes from the north? mentioned in Isaiah’s prophecy?……

    Jer 16:14 ….it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

    Jer 16:15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north.

    Psa 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. (Is this not so today?)

    The prophet Joel is another witness:

    Joe 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with Me, … Palestine? will ye render Me a recompence? and if ye recompense Me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head.

    The name Israel came from God – not men: Gen 35:10

    obama obviously thinks he is wise enough to run a nation such as America – and yet – is completely ignorant of these powerful (yet, simple) facts.

    I can (and will) suffer the offenses of this man (which are great) because I have this absolute hope:

    for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone –

    in – his – appointed – times. I will be standing with these ones. That time is coming – because God said it will.

    • Kolobok42

      The KJV and Geneva Bible weren’t the original English Bibles. Tyndale and Wycliffe were before them.

      • http://palestinename.com Beth

        I should have been more clear (but it was not as important as the message itself)

        The King James and Geneva Bibles (18th century) were the References used for translating the newer Bibles. (This is important to know for those who question the name Palestine being used in the Scriptures. That was why I mentioned it)

        The name Palestine (not the philistines) is also mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls – another point of reference to backup what those Scriptures are saying.

        They have the power to destroy Islam. That was why I posted them. There is so much more to add….but I try to keep the post as short as possible.

        I hope the readers will take a closer look – and consider how important they are.

        • DB1954

          With all due respect, your first post was a little too long, repetitive, and confusing.

  • justquitnow

    Well of course the two state solution is 100% Obama’s idea and he came up with it one night in 2009 when trying to think of a way to destroy Israel and give it to the Muslim Brotherhood. Imagine you cutting your own genitals off…that’s what Obama wants Israel to do. Could I come up with more inflammatory rhetoric…you bet ya.

  • Arf

    The question is not why does Obama say such things or the Arabs do such things. That is their nature and their purpose. The question is why do the Israelis agree to it. They of all people should know better. You know, you can’t be a victim unless you agree to be one. Today, even now a significant percentage of Israelis would gladly give up land, hand over their brethren and believe the US is their best friend, that Abbas can be trusted and that they must give up Jerusalem. Some people never learn.

    • Texas Patriot

      Arf: “Today, even now a significant percentage of Israelis would gladly give up land, hand over their brethren and believe the US is their best friend, that Abbas can be trusted and that they must give up Jerusalem.”

      There are several very powerful illusions at work here, including the ideas that Islam is a religion of peace, that most Muslims want peace, and that all most Muslims really want is their land back. Unfortunately, all of these are false and little more than wishful thinking. The truth is that Islam is a religion of conquest and submission which requires all Muslims to be in a state of war with non-Muslims everywhere until they are converted, subjugated or killed. Giving up lands will only fuel a desire for more lands and make Israel even weaker and more vulnerable in the future.

      Instead of giving up lands acquired from those who attacked her the past, Israel should be thinking about confiscating lands now held by those who attack will certainly attack her in the future. Confiscating and pacifying lands acquired from foreign aggressors is an age old right of nations. The war that Islam has been waging on the world since the death of Muhammad is a war to the death. As Osama bin Ladin and all other students of Islamic history know very well, the choice of the date September 11 as the date to attack the One World Trade Center in New York was to signify to Muslims world-wide that the defeat of the Muslim armies at Vienna in 1663 was not the end of Muhammad’s vision of world conquest, but rather only a temporary setback. Unless and until all Muslims abandon the ideology and commandments of Islam, the war will never really be over.

      It follows, therefore, that during the course of this war, Israel will either get stronger or weaker. She will eventually subdue her enemies or she will eventually perish. There are really no other options. Under these circumstances, Israel has but one chance to survive. Get strong and meet all attacks with an even stronger response that will operate effectively to weaken her enemies, or face an ever greater and greater onslaught from without and greater and greater weakness within, which will eventually lead to loss of will, decline and eventual destruction and elimination. It’s not the world that anyone would choose to live in, but it’s most certainly the only world we have to live in, and we must make the best of it.

      From my perspective, we should always hold out the hand of peace and friendship to Muslims, but we should always be ready for war and under no circumstances should we harbor any illusions that Muslims want to be our friends. They don’t. They can’t. They are precluded from by the Koran itself from being friends with non-Muslims. To them, we are required to be regarded as the hated “infidels” who must be converted, subjugated or killed. And unless or until they specifically renounce the mandates for jihad against non-Muslims as contained in the Koran, we will never be anything more to them.

      • ziggy zoggy

        Why would you offer peace to islamopithecines? You admitted yourself that they aren’t interested in peace and never have been. Islam needs to be eradicated the same way the Thugee cult was eradicated. The same way the majority of religions have been eradicated throughout history. Nobody sacrifices children to Baal or Ishtar anymore. Why should we tolerate a cult as vile and barbaric as Islam?

        • Texas Patriot

          As always, Ziggy, you are far too short-sighted and narrow in your views. If we want to win the war against radical Islam, we must always keep the big picture in focus and remember that our ultimate goal is a terror free world. So open your eyes and ears, and pay attention.

          Muslims who are willing to renounce radical Islam in exchange for the right to stay in Israel and the West will immediately be targeted by radical Muslims for the crime of apostasy. Unless we want to see those who try to leave Islam immediately murdered by other Muslims, they will need our friendship and our protection.

          There are many such former Muslims in the West today, and they are among the most knowledgable and most articulate spokesmen about the nature of the threat we all face from radical Islam. I count them among our greatest friends and greatest allies in the war on terrorism, and they deserve our support.

          • ziggy zoggy

            The most knowledgable and articulate expert on Islam is Bernard Lewis. Robert Spencer is probably number two.

            And you seem to have missed the fact that apostates from Islam have been completely incapable of fighting it, much less harming it. There is no war on terrorism and there is no such thing as “radical” Islam. There is only one Islam and it is bent on converting, subjugating or killing all non islamopithecines.

            Islam needs to be eradicated.

          • Texas Patriot

            As usual, Ziggy, your blind hatred prevents you from seeing the truth. Messrs. Lewis and Spencer may well be eminent scholars on the subject of Islam, but for purposes of understanding any form of totalitarianism, there is no substitute for growing up under the bootheel of it. Therefore, I think it is fair to say that those who have actually left Islam know far better than most scholars how truly dangerous it is. Remember, Ziggy, Islam is an ideology, i.e. a set of beliefs and a set of practices. If we can eliminate the ideology without eliminating the people who subscribe to it, that should be our goal.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Who mentioned anything about exterminating all islamopithecines? I wrote that Islam needs to be eradicated – which it most assuredly does. I’m not interested in committing genocide but I would like to sterilize all koranimals so they can’t breed any more monsters.

          • DB1954

            I withdraw any prior assertions I made, which may have been misunderstood by Ziggy, if any.

          • DB1954

            Ziggy did say that ISLAM must be eradicated. I don’t think he has ever said or implied that Arabs, Persians, or other races or ethnicities must be eradicated.

          • defcon 4

            It’s too getting too late for your hugs and kisses solution. It’s too late for the Buddhists of Afghanistan. It’s too late for the Christians, Hindus and Sikhs of Pakistain. It’s too late for the Buddhists and Hindus of Bangladesh. It’s too late for the Christians of the Mid-East and N. Africa. It’s too late for the Christians and Zoroastrians of Iran. Because extermination is the goal of islam0nazis.

          • defcon 4

            You lost me at “radical Islam”.

          • DB1954

            All Islam is radical.

  • http://www.redinknews.org/ Red Ink News

    Rabbi Meir Kahane, G-d rest his soul, had it right when he said arabs and Jews can not co-exist. I agree with that and will even take it a step further. You have to kill all the radical muslims…one by one if you have to. I love Netanyahu but it was a huge mistake not to go into gaza during the last war and slaughter Hamas. Enouugh is enough. NEVER AGAIN!

    • defcon 4

      There is no “radical” islam, just like there was/is no “moderate” Nazism.

  • Friend of our troops

    I think the thing that bothers me most even aside from all the lying is the seeming total disregard for human life. Under all the games is the reality that human lives are at stake whether in the middle East or our troops being sent in as a fall out to his actions.

  • LoJoFo

    “Imagine carving out about one-fourth of the U.S. and making it a separate country bordering Washington and a few miles from New York. This country is populated by people who systematically teach their children that the United States has no right to exist and must be destroyed, and name schools, public squares, and summer camps after terrorists who have inflicted mass-casualty attacks on the U.S.

    No one in his right mind would call that a way to ensure America’s security.”

    Are you calling President Obama crazy?

  • AG

    Islam is a contradiction to peace. Even in a hypothetical world where the Palestinians realize their goal of controlling the lands from “the river to the sea,” as Islam always does, they will find a new infidel to wage war against. And once they have eliminated all their infidels, they will start slaughtering their own people.

    • ziggy zoggy

      They are already killing their own people. In fact, they always have been.

  • Jillian Becker

    Nothing could be clearer – though few want to see it – that Obama deeply desires the destruction of Israel. Now he is assuring it by allowing Iran to develop a nuclear arsenal.

    • defcon 4

      I’m sure he’d like to sacrifice Israel the way Chamberlain sacrificed the Sudetenland to the Nazis.

    • DB1954

      In regard to Obama, who can be sure of anything, but my view, again, is that Obama is simply indifferent to Israel. He’s still an anti-Semite, but I think that he’s above all, a man incapable of valuing or loving anyone but himself.

  • Pensive

    Israel have to annex Gaza and the West-Bank. There’s no other way.

    http://ebbenmaradtunk.blog.hu/2013/09/28/israel_where_did_you_wrong

    • ziggy zoggy

      Judaea and Samaria are already part of Israel. That dip$hit Ehud Barack gave away the Gaza Strip, but it can still be cleaned up. Just turn off the lights and halt all foreign welfare. The rats will scurry out.

      • Pensive

        Tell this to the human-rightist, brainwashed idiots in Europe, who really thinks that the conflicts are starts with Israel firing BACK. :S Respect to the settlers, they are real Patriots. (Read the linked blogpost…)

  • DontMessWithAmerica

    It is high time that Israel follows Egypt’s example and tells Obama to eff off.

  • leebert

    It appears that this President is no friend of the state of Israel. When will Jewish voters in this country realize that, for the most part, leftists from the Democrat Party are no friend of theirs and we can no longer afford to re-elect them … Hint: Don’t support Hillary Clinton doe President in 2016.

    • Pensive

      If that woman will be the president, US will collapse, and Israel will find itself alone. Presumably the only chance to save the States from that nightmare, is to reveal all information about her involvement of the Bengazi massacre. We need a Reagan or a Nixon badly!

    • defcon 4

      There will be massive democraptic voter fraud in the 2016 election, which is the whole reason the “Justice” dept. is virulently opposed to voter ID laws of any type.

  • Arf

    The idiots running the U.S. foreign policy fail to grasp an important concept: as they force Israel to give up territory and free terrorists, the terrorists all over the world and Pal leaders are so emboldened, they are already planning their next attack on the U.S.

  • mcbee555

    What Obama really means is that Israel should depend on appeasing, because that’s all Obama knows. I think Israel realizes he’s all talk and they’re on their own.
    Israel shouldn’t heed Obama’s recommendations anymore than Egypt does. He almost destroyed Egypt, giving it to the MB, but they retrieved their country themselves. He schemed and succeeded in deposing Ghadafi and giving Libya to the MB. He won’t make any headway with Syria because Russia and China block him. Obviously, they know his maneuverings are for self-gratification and not for America’s benefits. So….now he tries to jab Putin in the eye by his phone call to
    Iran’s President. They will play with Obama like a cat plays with a mouse.

  • tokoloshiman

    barack hussein obama has the temerity to blame all the regions upheavals at the feet of the israelis. is’nt that odd , it is israel who has defended herself from numerous attacks since 1948 and israel who desires peace. it is israel who accepts all into its democratic state.
    Can it be more obvious where obama and his phalanx of morons in the white mosque on pennsylvania avenue’s sympathies and heart lie – with his brethren – those who are ant jew anti israel and pro death.
    Amazing – and this man is in the POTUS for 3 more years!

  • SoCalMike

    I’m most disgusted with the American media false prophets who work mightily to help preserve, maintain and spread yhis lie.
    There is indeed a special place in hell with their names on it.
    Save a whale, harpoon an American journalist who spreads the lie of the need for a Palestinian state.

  • Larry

    It is a shame the way the President is handling some of the affairs of this country. And the new Obama Care is going to rip every last penny out of our hand.

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  • thirteenone

    excuse my language but f%$#k America f%$#k America and f%$#k America again. USA has become the number one supporter of terrorism in this world. Israel must tell the usa and their muslim president to shove it where the sun does not shine with 2 fingers. lets start buying weapons from China.

  • zoomie

    they get shot

  • Drakken

    You seem to be under the impression that islam will change, when it is as clear as day it cannot nor will be from within, I have 1,300 years of history to back me up on that. As a Marine grunt myself, I too have seen war numerous times and what it does to the individual and the mental carnage that ensues in the grunts personal, professional and family lives. We have been fighting wars with our hands tied behind our back since the Vietnam war and it shows, instead of going whole hog and getting it done quickly, we fight by a so called standard that only encourages our adversaries to fight that much harder because of our so called nice way of fighting and PC rules of engagement which help our enemies and harms us in the process. All they have to do is survive long enough for us to leave. The bottom line is, the muslims won’t change, sooner or later we will have to do it for them because we will be given no choice.

    • http://www.hubpages.com/profiles/maven101 LarryConners

      First, Semper Fi Drakken…We were both in the Corps and we know what honor is…that oath I took as a 17 year old does not expire…And, yes, I agree we have been hog-tied since McNamara started calling the shots…I remember when a full company of Marines were killed in Beirut because they were not allowed to carry ammo because the State Department was afraid Marines could cause an international incident…so a truck loaded with Semtex, driven by Hezbollah jihadist, drove through the gate and detonated amongst those sleeping Marines…nothing has changed…Do I expect Islam to change..? Of course not… Radical Islam yes, through the condemnation and
      ostracizing of that cancerous element by moderate Muslims…Have we seen any movement in this direction ?…To answer my own question, no, nada…So let’s take them out, quickly, with overwhelming force, and be done with it…Will this happen..? Never in a million years…Our government has been injected with the PC virus, prognosis: fatal….

  • Stan Marsh

    I would not give the Palestinians the steam from my p155

    • defcon 4

      LOL. I wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire.

  • defcon 4

    You think that muslimes don’t embrace your kumbaya nonsense because they don’t know about it? It’s laughable.

    • chuck

      THE ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS A DEAD MUSLIM…. PERIOD…!!!

  • chuck

    MUSLIMS ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE…. PLAIN AND SIMPLE… AS IS YOUR STUPIDITY

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