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	<title>Comments on: $400,000 Endurance Wind Tower Collapses Due to&#8230; Wind Power</title>
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		<title>By: Wim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fortunately, there&#039;s an alternative for green power. Hurray for cancer and other problems inducing radioactive power. Better check Tsjernobyl or Fukushima...
Some companies are indeed scammers, but to try to break an entire industry over a few malicious companies...?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, there&#8217;s an alternative for green power. Hurray for cancer and other problems inducing radioactive power. Better check Tsjernobyl or Fukushima&#8230;<br />
Some companies are indeed scammers, but to try to break an entire industry over a few malicious companies&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Flora Million</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flora Million]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 10:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the tower has its uses and it contributes a lot to conserving energy. The problem with it though is that it is very expensive. They should make stronger towers made of great quality materials to prevent this from happening again. We can&#039;t afford to lose something that expensive.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the tower has its uses and it contributes a lot to conserving energy. The problem with it though is that it is very expensive. They should make stronger towers made of great quality materials to prevent this from happening again. We can&#039;t afford to lose something that expensive.   </p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Stroup</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Stroup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 18:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really? The article states that all wind turbins fail in 3 years? Show me, please. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? The article states that all wind turbins fail in 3 years? Show me, please. </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/400000-endurance-wind-tower-collapses-due-to-wind-power/comment-page-1/#comment-4222116</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 08:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And many on this board would be howling that its a &quot;hand out!&quot; and a &quot;pay off!&quot; to the nuclear power lobby, if it was done by a Democrat.&quot; 
 
 
What are you talking about? FDR put together the Manhattan Project, and virtually all significant practical nuclear research has its roots in that program. And it was because of war, not because government needed to solve critical problems with energy. FDR also entered in to a landmark arrangement with the kind of Saudi Arabia (the first king, Saud himself) trading oil access for military protection. Things were sort of urgent at the time. See? What&#039;s the urgent need to invest in technology that will be stolen from us, while we still pay off the debt accumulated to fund that research? We&#039;d likely be making those payments to the same ones who steal it. 
 
FDR was a Democrat. Nobody accused him (around here) of being a dupe of the Soviets but paradoxically he was. Most conservatives are very realistic, forgiving and compassionate. We just hate lies. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;And many on this board would be howling that its a &quot;hand out!&quot; and a &quot;pay off!&quot; to the nuclear power lobby, if it was done by a Democrat.&quot; </p>
<p>What are you talking about? FDR put together the Manhattan Project, and virtually all significant practical nuclear research has its roots in that program. And it was because of war, not because government needed to solve critical problems with energy. FDR also entered in to a landmark arrangement with the kind of Saudi Arabia (the first king, Saud himself) trading oil access for military protection. Things were sort of urgent at the time. See? What&#039;s the urgent need to invest in technology that will be stolen from us, while we still pay off the debt accumulated to fund that research? We&#039;d likely be making those payments to the same ones who steal it. </p>
<p>FDR was a Democrat. Nobody accused him (around here) of being a dupe of the Soviets but paradoxically he was. Most conservatives are very realistic, forgiving and compassionate. We just hate lies. </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Yeah, see how dumb any technology intended to prevent polluting the planet and paying off enemy oil shieks is? I mean, there&#039;s never been an explosion at a drill rig, or an oil tanker that sank, or a cave in at coal mine, you know the energy that &quot;real patriotic Americans&quot; prefer to all this new fangled greenie limp-wristed &quot;liberal&quot; technology. &quot; 
 
This is a small article that assumes the reader already has enough background information to know it&#039;s just an illustration. It&#039;s not an attempt to make an entire case. I already explained to you in several other subthreads of this discussion why we are angry about 0&#039;Bama. It&#039;s not a hatred of alternatives per se. It&#039;s an anger at how he exploited the desire of simple-minded people who dream about alternatives and expect the government to drive technological innovation. That&#039;s not how it ever worked, and the few times when we felt compelled to do so were only because we believed that we had no other choices. Competing for dominance in space with a totalitarian regime puts an important time constraint on things. And using NASA as a precedent for what 0&#039;Bama did with &quot;green energy&quot; is just as delusional as 0&#039;Bama&#039;s own ideas. 
 
Read what I wrote above and then if you want me to expand on this specific comment after that, I&#039;ll be happy to. 
 
 
Really you ought to not be so arrogant. You&#039;re the one that needs to wake up to the facts. It&#039;s bad enough when the smart ones are arrogant. If you want to act like a bully defending leftist ideas, go to huff post or some other hang out where your rhetoric will blend in and be occasionally celebrated. Here we just roll our eyes and try to find the patience to explain to you the facts of life, over and over again. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Yeah, see how dumb any technology intended to prevent polluting the planet and paying off enemy oil shieks is? I mean, there&#039;s never been an explosion at a drill rig, or an oil tanker that sank, or a cave in at coal mine, you know the energy that &quot;real patriotic Americans&quot; prefer to all this new fangled greenie limp-wristed &quot;liberal&quot; technology. &quot; </p>
<p>This is a small article that assumes the reader already has enough background information to know it&#039;s just an illustration. It&#039;s not an attempt to make an entire case. I already explained to you in several other subthreads of this discussion why we are angry about 0&#039;Bama. It&#039;s not a hatred of alternatives per se. It&#039;s an anger at how he exploited the desire of simple-minded people who dream about alternatives and expect the government to drive technological innovation. That&#039;s not how it ever worked, and the few times when we felt compelled to do so were only because we believed that we had no other choices. Competing for dominance in space with a totalitarian regime puts an important time constraint on things. And using NASA as a precedent for what 0&#039;Bama did with &quot;green energy&quot; is just as delusional as 0&#039;Bama&#039;s own ideas. </p>
<p>Read what I wrote above and then if you want me to expand on this specific comment after that, I&#039;ll be happy to. </p>
<p>Really you ought to not be so arrogant. You&#039;re the one that needs to wake up to the facts. It&#039;s bad enough when the smart ones are arrogant. If you want to act like a bully defending leftist ideas, go to huff post or some other hang out where your rhetoric will blend in and be occasionally celebrated. Here we just roll our eyes and try to find the patience to explain to you the facts of life, over and over again. </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/400000-endurance-wind-tower-collapses-due-to-wind-power/comment-page-1/#comment-4221092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Often innovative new and big technology like this never gets a chance to even get into the marketplace for consumers to decide, if it wasn&#039;t for government help. Basic &quot;bench&quot; R&amp;D is so expensive and often so fruitless, that a company would lose its shirt doing it. There is just no profit in it.&quot;  
  
That&#039;s a theory you can start with but it&#039;s certainly not a universal law. It&#039;s most often NOT true. You need to now make your case. Nobody even tried to make a rational case for 0&#039;Bama&#039;s actions. It was wrapped in &quot;stimulus&quot; as a way to ram it through and just spend more money on stupid things.  
  
If you want to start to make a case for government policy in 2013, fine. Let&#039;s hear your argument today. You won&#039;t be able to defend what 0&#039;Bama has already done because he never presented a rational case, he failed, and we have evidence of political corruption to go along with that market failure and complete contradiction with all we know about our past successes.  
  
But then again, this is what happens when you put someone in a leadership position who was indoctrinated with lies about history. How can he learn valuable lessons from lies? Of course he believes in central planning. He&#039;s saving us through transformation...in his mind, he&#039;s right of course.  
  
But in reality he&#039;s just a corrupt leftist communist shia dupe that got elected for no good reason. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Often innovative new and big technology like this never gets a chance to even get into the marketplace for consumers to decide, if it wasn&#039;t for government help. Basic &quot;bench&quot; R&amp;D is so expensive and often so fruitless, that a company would lose its shirt doing it. There is just no profit in it.&quot;  </p>
<p>That&#039;s a theory you can start with but it&#039;s certainly not a universal law. It&#039;s most often NOT true. You need to now make your case. Nobody even tried to make a rational case for 0&#039;Bama&#039;s actions. It was wrapped in &quot;stimulus&quot; as a way to ram it through and just spend more money on stupid things.  </p>
<p>If you want to start to make a case for government policy in 2013, fine. Let&#039;s hear your argument today. You won&#039;t be able to defend what 0&#039;Bama has already done because he never presented a rational case, he failed, and we have evidence of political corruption to go along with that market failure and complete contradiction with all we know about our past successes.  </p>
<p>But then again, this is what happens when you put someone in a leadership position who was indoctrinated with lies about history. How can he learn valuable lessons from lies? Of course he believes in central planning. He&#039;s saving us through transformation&#8230;in his mind, he&#039;s right of course.  </p>
<p>But in reality he&#039;s just a corrupt leftist communist shia dupe that got elected for no good reason. </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But to give birth it takes a lot of government help in the form of R&amp;D and so on.&quot; 
 
 
For high risk and crucial programs like space travel or the first transcontinental railroad, you can make your case there. But the energy markets are already mature and there is a clear path to profit for successful alternatives. Government interference in these latter cases are just opportunities to exploit government funds for the political gain of those in charge.  
 
Not only that, the only government energy subsidies have all failed to some extent as far as I know. That&#039;s because people tend to use energy according to it&#039;s availability and there have always been alternatives. The marketplace of alternatives is so diverse, the government does not need to interfere. Laws applied to everyone demanding safety based on proven science, that&#039;s the role of the government. It ends there. Occasional tweaking of the tax code to encourage future technologies? That&#039;s congress&#039;s job. Even they go too far. 
 
O&#039;Bama is totally corrupt. Whether that corruption flows from cynical desire for power, or complete leftist delusion, I don&#039;t care. It&#039;s moot at this point. I&#039;m sure there&#039;s a huge dose of both and they&#039;re not mutually exclusive. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;But to give birth it takes a lot of government help in the form of R&amp;D and so on.&quot; </p>
<p>For high risk and crucial programs like space travel or the first transcontinental railroad, you can make your case there. But the energy markets are already mature and there is a clear path to profit for successful alternatives. Government interference in these latter cases are just opportunities to exploit government funds for the political gain of those in charge.  </p>
<p>Not only that, the only government energy subsidies have all failed to some extent as far as I know. That&#039;s because people tend to use energy according to it&#039;s availability and there have always been alternatives. The marketplace of alternatives is so diverse, the government does not need to interfere. Laws applied to everyone demanding safety based on proven science, that&#039;s the role of the government. It ends there. Occasional tweaking of the tax code to encourage future technologies? That&#039;s congress&#039;s job. Even they go too far. </p>
<p>O&#039;Bama is totally corrupt. Whether that corruption flows from cynical desire for power, or complete leftist delusion, I don&#039;t care. It&#039;s moot at this point. I&#039;m sure there&#039;s a huge dose of both and they&#039;re not mutually exclusive. </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Much of that help looks like typical government sausage making, and it is, but the good stuff ultimately rises to the top and becomes supported or not supported by the market place.&quot; 
 
The government can not pick winners and losers unless it is the end-user and then it still must hold competitive bidding. Even the military runs their selections more efficiently than 0&#039;Bama&#039;s handling of socalled green energy. We don&#039;t even know if his choices had any chance of success. That&#039;s not his job, and even if he was an &quot;expert&quot; (which he&#039;s not), it&#039;s conflicting interests to have him hand out money to some while not to others. Not that all should have money up front either, I&#039;m simply pointing out that it&#039;s wrong on several fronts. 
 
0&#039;Bama&#039;s way leads to failure and corruption. Just because you are unaware of the complexity doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;re imagining things. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Much of that help looks like typical government sausage making, and it is, but the good stuff ultimately rises to the top and becomes supported or not supported by the market place.&quot; </p>
<p>The government can not pick winners and losers unless it is the end-user and then it still must hold competitive bidding. Even the military runs their selections more efficiently than 0&#039;Bama&#039;s handling of socalled green energy. We don&#039;t even know if his choices had any chance of success. That&#039;s not his job, and even if he was an &quot;expert&quot; (which he&#039;s not), it&#039;s conflicting interests to have him hand out money to some while not to others. Not that all should have money up front either, I&#039;m simply pointing out that it&#039;s wrong on several fronts. </p>
<p>0&#039;Bama&#039;s way leads to failure and corruption. Just because you are unaware of the complexity doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;re imagining things. </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Most big mainstream technologies that become part of our infrastructure, including coal, oil and gas, railroads, buses and so on, started out with huge help from the government.&quot; 
 
Wrong. There were certainly significant railroad subsidies but I assure you that the US government did nothing to help Standard Oil or Rockefeller. 
 
You can see the difference between transport subsidies and energy subsidies, right? 
 
In addition, there is nothing wrong with creating incentives. We argue over the effectiveness of these &quot;incentives&quot; since they only incentive created by 0&#039;Bama is aligning themselves with him. It&#039;s not a success incentive. These are political incentives he created. Is he incompetent or corrupt to the point of evil? Does it matter when the results are this bad? 
 
Sure there is a foundational theory that is just solid enough to fool people. Hey, we subsidized railroad expansion so let me as president go out and hand out money to some selected business with clean energy schemes. That&#039;s not the same thing as providing incentives for businesses to find real, successful solutions. It&#039;s like the difference between awarding Olympic medals to winners and having corrupt politicians pick winners before the events are held. 
 
Get it? 
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Most big mainstream technologies that become part of our infrastructure, including coal, oil and gas, railroads, buses and so on, started out with huge help from the government.&quot; </p>
<p>Wrong. There were certainly significant railroad subsidies but I assure you that the US government did nothing to help Standard Oil or Rockefeller. </p>
<p>You can see the difference between transport subsidies and energy subsidies, right? </p>
<p>In addition, there is nothing wrong with creating incentives. We argue over the effectiveness of these &quot;incentives&quot; since they only incentive created by 0&#039;Bama is aligning themselves with him. It&#039;s not a success incentive. These are political incentives he created. Is he incompetent or corrupt to the point of evil? Does it matter when the results are this bad? </p>
<p>Sure there is a foundational theory that is just solid enough to fool people. Hey, we subsidized railroad expansion so let me as president go out and hand out money to some selected business with clean energy schemes. That&#039;s not the same thing as providing incentives for businesses to find real, successful solutions. It&#039;s like the difference between awarding Olympic medals to winners and having corrupt politicians pick winners before the events are held. </p>
<p>Get it? </p>
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		<title>By: Raymond in DC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raymond in DC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given that wind and solar have energy density far below that of coal and methane, it would seem basic chemistry and the laws of physics mitigate against them ever being cheaper than coal and methane. That&#039;s why politicians rig the system - taxing and regulating &quot;evil&quot; fossil fuels while imposing mandates and granting subsidies and preferential tariffs to &quot;green&quot; energy. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that wind and solar have energy density far below that of coal and methane, it would seem basic chemistry and the laws of physics mitigate against them ever being cheaper than coal and methane. That&#039;s why politicians rig the system &#8211; taxing and regulating &quot;evil&quot; fossil fuels while imposing mandates and granting subsidies and preferential tariffs to &quot;green&quot; energy. </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should have stated, &quot;...free market jumps in, and further develops it, and markets it.&quot;  They are not generally taking whole ready-to-go devices and drugs from the government researchers, but betting on the development of what looks viable from the bench.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have stated, &quot;&#8230;free market jumps in, and further develops it, and markets it.&quot;  They are not generally taking whole ready-to-go devices and drugs from the government researchers, but betting on the development of what looks viable from the bench.   </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a big fan of nuclear energy.  I would like the government to invest in making them much safer and even cleaner and more efficient than they are (comparable to other technologies).  But it would, in fact, take government money given to researchers.  Many of those experiments would fail.   
 
And many on this board would be howling that its a &quot;hand out!&quot; and a &quot;pay off!&quot; to the nuclear power lobby, if it was done by a Democrat.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m a big fan of nuclear energy.  I would like the government to invest in making them much safer and even cleaner and more efficient than they are (comparable to other technologies).  But it would, in fact, take government money given to researchers.  Many of those experiments would fail.   </p>
<p>And many on this board would be howling that its a &quot;hand out!&quot; and a &quot;pay off!&quot; to the nuclear power lobby, if it was done by a Democrat.   </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Often innovative new and big technology like this never gets a chance to even get into the marketplace for consumers to decide, if it wasn&#039;t for government help.  Basic &quot;bench&quot; R&amp;D is so expensive and often so fruitless, that a company would lose its shirt doing it.  There is just no profit in it.   
 
For instance, so much of our basic medical knowledge comes from scientists working off of government grants.  As knowledge grows and technologies are shown to be viable, the free market jumps in and markets it.  It&#039;s a terrific example of government and free enterprise working together.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Often innovative new and big technology like this never gets a chance to even get into the marketplace for consumers to decide, if it wasn&#039;t for government help.  Basic &quot;bench&quot; R&amp;D is so expensive and often so fruitless, that a company would lose its shirt doing it.  There is just no profit in it.   </p>
<p>For instance, so much of our basic medical knowledge comes from scientists working off of government grants.  As knowledge grows and technologies are shown to be viable, the free market jumps in and markets it.  It&#039;s a terrific example of government and free enterprise working together.   </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most big mainstream technologies that become part of our infrastructure, including coal, oil and gas, railroads, buses and so on, started out with huge help from the government.  Much of that help looks like typical government sausage making, and it is, but the good stuff ultimately rises to the top and becomes supported or not supported by the market place.  But to give birth it takes a lot of government help in the form of R&amp;D and so on.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most big mainstream technologies that become part of our infrastructure, including coal, oil and gas, railroads, buses and so on, started out with huge help from the government.  Much of that help looks like typical government sausage making, and it is, but the good stuff ultimately rises to the top and becomes supported or not supported by the market place.  But to give birth it takes a lot of government help in the form of R&amp;D and so on.   </p>
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		<title>By: EarlyBird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EarlyBird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, see how dumb any technology intended to prevent polluting the planet and paying off enemy oil shieks is?  I mean, there&#039;s never been an explosion at a drill rig, or an oil tanker that sank, or a cave in at coal mine, you know the energy that &quot;real patriotic Americans&quot; prefer to all this new fangled greenie limp-wristed &quot;liberal&quot; technology.   
 
Get back in your cave Danny! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, see how dumb any technology intended to prevent polluting the planet and paying off enemy oil shieks is?  I mean, there&#039;s never been an explosion at a drill rig, or an oil tanker that sank, or a cave in at coal mine, you know the energy that &quot;real patriotic Americans&quot; prefer to all this new fangled greenie limp-wristed &quot;liberal&quot; technology.   </p>
<p>Get back in your cave Danny! </p>
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		<title>By: gen. p. malaise</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/400000-endurance-wind-tower-collapses-due-to-wind-power/comment-page-1/#comment-4219944</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gen. p. malaise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[please try to comprehend. 
 
gear boxes (all of them) are failing 2 to 3 years into a planned 25 year life cycle. 
 
re-read as many times as required.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please try to comprehend. </p>
<p>gear boxes (all of them) are failing 2 to 3 years into a planned 25 year life cycle. </p>
<p>re-read as many times as required.   </p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Stroup</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Stroup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My point is: A gearbox failed, A tower failed. Nowhere does it say this is a system-wide problem. Both are single instances. This kind of stuff will happen. If you want to argue against subsidies, then do. But do not use single instances of mechanical failure to demonize an entire industry. It is unprofessional to the extreme, and it stinks of the tactics that the left constantly uses.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is: A gearbox failed, A tower failed. Nowhere does it say this is a system-wide problem. Both are single instances. This kind of stuff will happen. If you want to argue against subsidies, then do. But do not use single instances of mechanical failure to demonize an entire industry. It is unprofessional to the extreme, and it stinks of the tactics that the left constantly uses.  </p>
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		<title>By: gen. p. malaise</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gen. p. malaise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this isn&#039;t about &quot;exploring alternatives&quot; it is about being forced to subsidize failing systems. 
 
the original life span of the larger turbines is touted at 25 years.  The gear boxes have been failing at the 2 to 3 year mark at a cost of 300 thousand dollars a unit  ...so I doubt the fallen turbine has a value of 400 thousand.  I suspect it is a number thrown out to minimise the true loss.   
 
such is the problem and lack of a good fix that they are trying to go away from the gear box version but then it must be turned electrically if there is no wind as if it sits statically it will warp the shaft due to it&#039;s weight.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this isn&#039;t about &quot;exploring alternatives&quot; it is about being forced to subsidize failing systems. </p>
<p>the original life span of the larger turbines is touted at 25 years.  The gear boxes have been failing at the 2 to 3 year mark at a cost of 300 thousand dollars a unit  &#8230;so I doubt the fallen turbine has a value of 400 thousand.  I suspect it is a number thrown out to minimise the true loss.   </p>
<p>such is the problem and lack of a good fix that they are trying to go away from the gear box version but then it must be turned electrically if there is no wind as if it sits statically it will warp the shaft due to it&#039;s weight.   </p>
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		<title>By: gen. p. malaise</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gen. p. malaise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[where did the 400 thous cost figure come from?  I don&#039;t believe it.  They cost a lot more then that unless it is a small turbine.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where did the 400 thous cost figure come from?  I don&#039;t believe it.  They cost a lot more then that unless it is a small turbine.   </p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Stroup</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Stroup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is nothing wrong with exploring other alternatives to energy. The fact that a wind turban failed does not mean wind turbans are inherently bad. It means the engineering or construction or maintenance was at fault. All forms of energy production fail, given time and human error. The question is should we subsidize green energy or not. This article is silly.  It conflates isolated, individual item failures with an economic issue. I expect more for FPM. I work on air conditioners for a living. I used to be chemist who made lubricants for various industries. Trust me, everything fails given time. Everything. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing wrong with exploring other alternatives to energy. The fact that a wind turban failed does not mean wind turbans are inherently bad. It means the engineering or construction or maintenance was at fault. All forms of energy production fail, given time and human error. The question is should we subsidize green energy or not. This article is silly.  It conflates isolated, individual item failures with an economic issue. I expect more for FPM. I work on air conditioners for a living. I used to be chemist who made lubricants for various industries. Trust me, everything fails given time. Everything. </p>
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