After Afghanistan

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


Some wars are lost in a matter of moments, others stretch on indefinitely. The defeat in Afghanistan crept up silently on the national consciousness and even though we are negotiating with the Taliban, the “D” word is hardly used by anyone.

According to Obama, there really isn’t a war, just a mission, and the old mission is now becoming a new mission, and the missions, all of them, whether in Afghanistan or Iraq, have been successful which is why we are wrapping them up, except that we aren’t really. And that’s about as clear as the message from the big white building with the neatly mowed lawn out front gets, except for the part about how its occupant singlehandedly parachuted into Pakistan, killed Bin Laden, and then stopped off for some curry and a humanitarian award.

Had McCain won in 2008, we would no doubt he hearing a lot about the “D” word and the quagmire in Afghanistan. But the “Q” word doesn’t really get mentioned either. No war has been lost. Only a mission is ending. And missions, unlike wars, can be defined in so many creative ways that it’s hard to know what to make of them. It’s easy to tell when a war has been lost, but a mission can never be lost, only renamed. And renaming is what Obama did to the Iraq War and the War in Afghanistan. Those wars weren’t lost; they’re only hiding out in the history books under new names and identities.

And when the mission is finally over and Karzai’s government collapses, its ministers absconding to Paris and Pakistan with suitcases full of stolen aid dollars, what comes next?

The old conflict aimed at denying Al Qaeda one base of operations had been outdated a few years after it began. That was something that Bush instinctively understood and that his critics have only slowly become aware of. Al Qaeda is not a country or an ethnic group. It is a religious vanguard that was always meant to serve as the core of an international Islamist terrorist movement. That function had been fulfilled long before an old man watching porn in a covert compound with no authority over anyone except his many wives was finally put down the hard way.

Al Qaeda, like the Communist Party, can arise anywhere. It rose in Iraq, in Somalia, in Mali, in Syria and in countless other places. Like Burger King, the franchise possibilities are endless and the brand name recognition is universal. And unlike Burger King, you don’t even need to pay for the privilege of using the name. Set off a few bombs or kill a few foreigners and watch the money start rolling in from the fat sheiks of the oil-swollen Gulf who have never slit the throat of anything larger than a goat, but like having their own terror armies.

Obama has no clue what to do about any of that. Obama at War is really a dumber Bush at War, rehashing Bush era ideas and tactics with completely botched implementations. With Kabul in the rear-view mirror, all he has left is Bush’s policy of targeted drone strikes on terrorist leaders. The only other foreign policy idea that the Obama crew brought to the table, aside from ending the support for the dictators, which ushered in the Arab Spring and the Islamization of the region, was to avoid ground wars and focus on limited drone strikes and intelligence operations.

The targeted strike approach was largely borrowed from the Israeli playbook. Like Israel, the United States is relying on saving some lives and weakening the terrorist infrastructure by taking out a few leaders here and there. Israel’s targeted strikes on Hamas and Islamic Jihad leaders never ended the conflict, but aborted more than a few terrorist plots by killing the bomb-makers and planners who were making them happen.

The actual conflict did not end. Neither did the attacks. Rather than shooting soldiers, Israel was shooting officers, because shooting soldiers required extended ground engagements and occupations that had become politically untenable. The United States has embraced the same strategy for the same reasons using technology that came out of Israel. But it hasn’t given much thought to what comes after that.

The failure of the targeted strikes and arrests of terrorist leaders led Israel to pursue a physical separation through barriers and fences. The terrorists compensated for that with rockets and shelling. That led Israel to develop the Iron Dome, a defensive anti-rocket system. The suicide bomber, once ubiquitous, became a rarity, but the attacks have grown more powerful as the terrorists used the territory that they gained through Israeli withdrawals to deploy heavier long-range weapons that can reach major cities.

If the United States follows this same pattern of withdrawal and fortification, then eventually there might be a Fortress America guarded by anti-missile systems against Pakistani, Iranian and Egyptian nukes.

Israel withdrew from physical territories opening the way for a Hamas takeover of Gaza. Obama withdrew from geopolitical territories, announcing in Cairo that the United States would no longer support the undemocratic dictators of the Muslim world unless they had oil. Hamas, or its parent organization, took over Egypt. Across the region, Islamist regimes rose and American allies fell. The Islamist winners of democratic elections turned into dictators leaving the United States in the awkward position of supporting new dictators.

What’s the next step? It doesn’t appear that there is one. Geniuses like Brennan only thought as far ahead as draining Muslim anger by rewarding political Islamists while using drone warfare to decimate violent Islamists. Not only is this distinction mostly imaginary, but the rise of political Islamists has made for more Al Qaeda takeovers and more work for the drones in North Africa.

Both Bush and Obama largely missed the point of September 11, which is that it matters less how many training camps Al Qaeda has in some desert where there are more drugs and RPGs than people, but how many operatives they have in the United States. The terrorist attacks carried out by Al Qaeda in America all required that their operatives either be in the United States or have permission to enter it. The truly dangerous training camps aren’t in Mali or in Afghanistan; they are in Jersey City and Minneapolis. The easiest way to stop the next Al Qaeda terrorist attack is to end immigration from the Muslim world.

That is not a position that any presidential candidate is likely to run on any time soon. And yet after Afghanistan, the United States might find that it has no choice but to slash immigration from the more explosive parts of the world.

In Israel, it was Rabin who stated that Gaza had to be taken out of Tel Aviv and who began the construction of the West Bank security barrier because he realized that terrorism would destroy the peace process. An American Rabin may well be a liberal who is forced to realize that the only way to avoid constant conflicts with the Muslim world is to begin cutting off the flow of Muslim immigrants to America.

For now the drone war remains a clumsy fallback position. As long as there are no major terrorist attacks, the limited drone strikes are enough to satisfy most Americans. But when one of the Al Qaeda franchises begins poring over blueprints of a major American landmark and another September 11 follows, then the question that has been held in abeyance after Afghanistan will suddenly reappear. “What do we do now?”

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  • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

    In a pre PC era, one wouldn't be fighting a "war on terror", an oxymoron of moronic proportions.

    Be that as it may, the immediate dangers are less from a "resurgent" Al Qaeda, since their efforts never waned. However, with the trio at Obama's helm – Kerry, Hagel & Brennan – in tandem with Eric Holder & "mama Janet", the home front has never been more imperiled. Curtailing the flow of hostile elements is never gonna happen – http://adinakutnicki.com/2013/02/16/the-disturbin

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel – http://adinakutnicki.com/about/

    • EarlyBird

      Who's "home front," Adina? Surely you're not speaking on behalf of Americans. What do you care, as long as US money and unflinching support continues to prop up your homeland?

      • JacksonPearson

        To learn more about Adina, go here: http://adinakutnicki.com/about/
        You might just learn to be a real early bird and get the worm you're looking for!

    • EarlyBird

      Adina, "war on terror" is a phrase invented by your fellow neo-con, Bush. Blame him, not Obama, who has chosen not to use it.

      And even Bush understood that this was a "different kind of war," where we could smash a collection of terrorists in their camps in some remote location (the easy part), and that others would pop up in our cities, or elsewhere abroad.

      Yes it's a very, very tough war to fight. Blame the terrorists. Sorry that Obama hasn't waved a magic wand and made the Bad Guys go away. Isn't it right-wingers who were saying that Obama supporters saw him as a savior?

  • pierce

    Where to next? It would appear the next effort will be the northern part of Africa. That is where more Muslim unrest is, and let us face facts, our President is a Muslim sympathizer. Let us stir up another hornets nest.
    Why can't we tend to our own business, after all, we are more important, and we are proceeding in a disastrous direction with high unemployment, high inflation, and few prospects for a productive future.
    Am I an optimist? No reason to be one, and glad to be on the down side of 70.

  • Chezwick

    The rational for withdrawing from Gaza was that Israel would then no longer be blamed for the dysfunction of Palestinian society….that "occupation" was a moral stain on Israel and withdrawal would bring some form of absolution. In the end, it was an attempt to internationalize the problem of Gaza. It obviously didn't work. Gaza is Israel's problem, now more than ever. And what good is a sea-blockade when the tunnels under the Gaza-Sinai border are being used to smuggle ever-more sophisticated weaponry?

    As for Daniel's question, what next?….it's hard to say. But the ONE THING we COULD do, the one thing essential to winning the war for civilization….is an open, honest discourse about the nature of Islam and its compatibility (or lack there-of) with human freedom. And that's the one thing we seem to be avoiding at all costs.

    • EarlyBird

      But with whom would we have such a discourse?

      Westerners understand that Islam -as too widely practiced through much of the world – is incompatible with democracy and human rights, and so do the Islamic fundamentalists themselves. That's their point: they consciously and openly reject freedom. They see the West and are horrified that they could become that way.

      Indonesia and Turkey, and to some degree Jordan, are rays of hope that people can practice Islam and not become anti-democratic psychopaths. We are going to have to accept the fact that there are societies going through fundamentalist Islamist agonies, and support their dissidents when and where we can, and speak out against the tyrannies loudly (and of course fight active jihadism where necessary). But reform will only come from within.

      • Drakken

        Indonesia,Turkey and Jordan are becoming increasingly islamist and in due course will become full islamist sharia compliant, anti-western zones, so good luck in thinking that there is hope for these savages. The only hope we may have is King Abullah will pull a King Hussein and give the muslim brotherhood there a good cleansing.

      • Chezwick

        "But with whom would we have such a discourse?"

        Ourselves….in our academic and political discourse….in order to evaluate our policy options based on rational appraisals, not head-in-the-sand political-correctness.

        • EarlyBird

          I actually work on the fringes of academia, at an academic medical center, and regularly see condemnation of Muslim violence and oppression on campus. What I don't see, and don't want to see, is a general condemnation of the entire religion.

          We need to differentiate between moderates and reformers, and the thugs. Islam is undergoing a civil war right now.

          • Mary Sue

            it would anyway, because the Shi'ites and Sunnis want to kill each other, simply on the basis of who they think Mohammed's successor as Caliph should have been. Hardly fighting over rocket science there.

          • Chezwick

            1) I would be interested in actual public accounts of "[regular]…condemnation of Muslim violence and oppression on campus." My guess is that you won't be able to cite a single provable instance. From afar, it seems that other than David's Islamo-Fascism awareness week, there is very little by way of critical scrutiny of Islamic intolerance in our schools and universities.

            2) So you don't want to see a "condemnation of the entire religion"?

            Does that mean you want no examination of Islamic canonical texts and their relationship to the behavior of Muslims? Should we not call attention to the repeated exhortations for violence in the Quran? Should we not discuss the Prophet's defilement of his child-bride Aisha and the linkage between this relationship and contemporary Sharia laws that legalize pedophelia? Should we ignore the Prophet's call to kill those who "discard" their Islamic religion, and the influence this call has on contemporary threats to Muslim apostates?

            You seem to want to condemn Muslim extremism, but to conspicuously avoid sourcing it back to the letter and spirit of Islamic scripture….so as not to injure the sensibilities of Muslim "moderates". Where will that get us? How will that compel Muslims to begin their long-overdue examination of the violence and intolerance inherent in their foundational texts, which is an absolute necessary prerequisite for a broader reformation of the faith?

            With all do respect sir, people like yourself are part of the problem.

          • EarlyBird

            1. Chez, as an example, there was recently a big rally of kids at UCLA who were condemning the mistreatment of women and girls in many Muslim societies.

            2. Any examination of Muslim texts will reveal bloody exhortations for good Muslims to fulfill, as we find many of the same for good Jews and Christians to fulfill in the Bible. Though most Christians and Jews on this website are an exception, luckily these religions have left their original fundamentalist interpretations of the Scripture, or we'd be in a hell of our own.

            It simply boils down to first realizing that not all 1.5 billion of the world's Muslims are terrorists, or terror supporters. Many are in a pitched battle with the violent, fundmentalist interpreters of their religion. Let's differentiate between them, rather than dumping all of them into a "terrorist or would-be terrorist" category.

            This is absurd, jingoistic paranoia is part of the problem, sir.

            If I've misconstrued your comments, blame your comments, not me.

          • Chezwick

            1) I'll do a search for news of the UCLA rally and until then, give you the benefit of the doubt. Even so, one rally hardly constitutes "regularly"….your word to describe campus protests against Islamic extremism..

            2) Yes, there is indeed intolerance in Jewish and Christian theology, but their respective theological particulars are what allowed these faiths to rise above literal interpretations….and usher in an age when outright rejection carries no physical sanction. In Islam by contrast, even suggesting that the Quran should be interpreted metaphorically and not literally is considered a form of apostasy, punishable by death.

            In other words, there is a profound difference between the ethics promulgated by Jesus as represented in the gospel (e.g., "turn the other cheek", "love thy enemies") and those promulgated by Muhammad in the Ahadith and Sira, (e.g., "fight until Allah's religion is established throughout the world", "he who discards his Islamic religion, kill him"). Pretending the two faiths are similar in their level of tolerance is a clear (and common) example of moral relativism.

            Finally, you have indeed misconstrued my argument, and willfully so. I have NEVER implied that all Muslims are "terrorists or would-be terrorists". What I advocated was/is an honest discourse regarding Islamic theology and its linkage to the violent/intolerant behavior of Muslims today and throughout history. Your response is that you'd prefer to avoid a "general condemnation of the entire religion."

            Where are we to draw the line, sir? What is to be broached and what isn't? I'm not interested in condemning aspects of Islam that are NOT intolerant and/or violent, but I AM interested in condemning ALL those aspects of the faith that ARE. It is highly likely that doing so will injure the sensibilities of so-called moderates. So be it. Any other course of action is simply enabling the perpetuation of the sociological evils that impact the lives of countless millions of Muslims and non-Muslims.

          • EarlyBird

            Let's me be clear: there are enormous gulfs between Judeo-Christian values and Muslim values, and their respective cultures are direct products of those values. I'll choose Judeo-Christian values over the best interpretation of Muslim ones any day of the week. More bluntly, Judeo-Christian values are superior to Muslim values, and we should not apologies for saying so. Agreed?

            Here's where you go off the rails:

            "…In Islam by contrast, even suggesting that the Quran should be interpreted metaphorically and not literally is considered a form of apostasy, punishable by death."

            But that is not universally true. We know that because Muslims are not being killed for such "apostasy" in places like Michigan, Turkey, Indonesia, Jordan and wherever milder forms of Islam are being practiced. We also know that we live in a particularly radicalized time, and even in the 20th Century there was a much more mild practice of Islam in most of the world.

            I agree, too, that we must force the moderates in Islam to address the violence and extremism within their religion and we should support the moderates in their fight for the religion. But that at least acknowledges that there ARE moderate Muslims.

          • Chezwick

            Rashd Khalifah was an apostate who was murdered in Arizona in the early 90s. Muslim women who are victims of honor killings in America are sometimes killed for rejecting their religion.

            Your examples of Turkey and Indonesia as moderate countries is salient. Indonesia is a hot-bed of radicalism, where church-burnings are common and thousands of Christians have been slaughtered in the last decade. Turkey has been gradually dismantling Attaturk's secular society over the same period.

            Furthermore, I challenge you to find a single example of a Turk or Indonesian who have openly apostated from Islam and continue to reside there. It doesn't happen because the penalty is clear.

            The "much more mild practice of Islam" you cite in the 20th century should be seen for what it is, an historical anomaly, a post-colonial hang-over from Western dominance …when Western and Soviet constructs such as nationalism, socialism and communism unduly influenced the Muslim world. Those days are obviously waning. The Muslim world is today reasserting its traditional identity. Sharia is making inroads in every Muslim-majority nation on the planet. The world is changing….best get up to speed.

          • EarlyBird

            I agree that 20th Century nationalism is waning.

            Your point seems to be that we should loudly condemn extremist Islam. We agree. So what?

          • Guest

            Have you read or studied Islamic jurisprudence? Evidently you haven't or you would have a different opinion re condemnation. Better do some reading before forming opinions. I don't mean to be unkind…. you just need to do some homework…..

          • JacksonPearson

            The Reliance of the Traveller
            Sharia Law – the rulings included here are legally binding, according to Shari’a.
            http://shariahthethreat.org/wp-content/uploads/20
            (PDF, 1251 pages, 31.7MB)

          • EarlyBird

            Guest, one does not have to really "study Islamic jurisprudence" (and I doubt you have in any academic way), to understand that it's a very bloody, reactionary, strict religion. It's the problem with any fundamentalist interpretation of religious texts.

            The question is: who cares? Why do Americans need to freak out that a society some place is living in the way they see as righteous, by adhering to a bloody religion? Yes, they are terribly wrong to commit honor killings, and execute people for being gay, but we can't control everything around the world.

            Let's focus on actual threats and extinguish them, okay? But laying awake at night knowing that there are still warped fundamentalist views out there is ridiculous.

          • Drakken

            The threat is islam period, until you come to that conclusion you will be on the wrong side of history.

          • EarlyBird

            No, the threat is radicalized Islam which blames the West and infidels for its troubles. To treat every single Muslim as a threat only creates more threats and excuses for the jihadists to feel picked on.

          • Drakken

            You go ahead and bow a scrape before the savages in the hope that you don't offend the little buggers, the rest of us will deal with the threat that islam is in a more productive and proactive means.

          • Chezwick

            Martin Luther King once wrote that "a threat to justice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere>'

            I believe he was right. Now, if Islam were a religion practiced by a few fishing tribes in Siberia, one could take the position that it is but an anthropological curiosity. Instead, it is practiced by 1.2 billion people worldwide, has tentacles in every country on the globe, and has a doctrine of oppression and subjugation (which you apparently acknowledge), And the pathologies that this religion fosters in people is obviously not consigned to some far away place, but exist even here at home. It is the greatest sociological and security challenge of our time. If one is to kept awake at night, the very real threat that Islam poses to human freedom is as good a reason as any.

          • EarlyBird

            And so, how to deal with it? How does the West change Islam? We can fight Islamist violence when and where appropriate, as we see fit. One way we can help Islam reform is to support those Muslims who stand up for moderation.

          • Chezwick

            How do we deal with it?

            I'm no guru…and there is no panacea. Whether or not we can "change" Islam is open to question. But we can certainly change the way WE interpret and perceive Islam. And obsequiously validating it in or academic and political discourse the way we do is certainly NOT the way to deal with it.

          • Chezwick

            PS – Who are these Muslims who are supposedly "standing up for moderation"? Please document any believing Muslim specifically denouncing the hudud punishments of stoning, amputation and the killing of apostates.

          • Chezwick

            PSS (In response to your comments higher up on the thread)…

            1) Of course there are moderate Muslims. I refer to them as “nominal” or “cultural Muslims“. They are not particularly religious and if they are moderate, it is IN SPITE of their faith, not because of it.

            2) Rashd Khalifah was an apostate who was murdered in Arizona in the early 90s. Muslim women who are victims of honor killings in America are sometimes killed for rejecting their religion.

            3) Your examples of Turkey and Indonesia as moderate countries is salient. Indonesia is a hot-bed of radicalism, where church-burnings are common and thousands of Christians have been slaughtered in the last decade. Turkey has been gradually dismantling Attaturk's secular society over the same period.

            Furthermore, I challenge you to find a single example of a Turk or Indonesian who have openly apostated from Islam and continue to reside there. It doesn't happen because the penalty is clear.

            4) The "much more mild practice of Islam" you cite in the 20th century should be seen for what it is, an historical anomaly, a post-colonial hang-over from Western dominance …when Western and Soviet constructs such as nationalism, socialism and communism unduly influenced the Muslim world. Those days are obviously waning. The Muslim world is today reasserting its traditional identity. Sharia is making inroads in every Muslim-majority nation on the planet. The world is changing….best get up to speed.

          • aspacia

            To whom are you asking this question Guest?

          • JacksonPearson

            "We need to differentiate between moderates and reformers, and the thugs. Islam is undergoing a civil war right now."

            WRONG…We don't have to do anything, because:
            Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan concisely portrays the inherently warlike agenda of mosques by quoting a renowned Islamic poet: “The minarets are our bayonets, the domes our helmets, the mosques our barracks, and the faithful our army.”
            and;
            “These descriptions are very ugly. It is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam, and that’s it.”
            — Turkey’s Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

          • EarlyBird

            When Turkey starts sending armies to America in the name of Islam, let's worry about it.

          • JacksonPearson

            You really are a misguided and low information, dumb SOB
            The Muslim Brotherhood is, thanks to to your super sized hero Barack Hussein Obama, already entrench in the white house, and most of upper government.

          • aspacia

            Who are you addressing?

          • Chezwick

            You refuse to look at this war in a cultural/sociological context. CAIR, the ISNA, the ICNA, the MSA and other Muslim-advocacy groups ARE indeed an "army" in America, servicing the advancement of Islam and demonizing all those who stand in the way.

          • aspacia

            EB, Turkey supports our enemies and attacks our allies and interests. We need to be concerned now especially regarding the recent gas find near Cyprus. Turkey has occupied a good chunk of Cyprus for many years and this will escalate into a major conflict with Israel.

  • Apostate

    Part 1
    We would do well to listen to what those who have left Islam have to say about this matter. When ex-Muslims such as Amil Imani speak about a Muslims loyalty to "Ummahism", we should all take note.

    Question: Amil Imani, what aspects of Islam do you find most problematic and disturbing?

    To answer this question properly, volumes can be written. Just a few keywords should cue you for now. Intolerance, fatalism, institutionalized slavery, injustice, jihadism, oppression of women and non-Muslims, celebration of death, lack of respect for individualism, rejection of freedom and democracy, belief in the theocracy of Allah as ministered by the self-serving clergy who are not accountable to the people, stifling of questioning and inquiry, disallowing all legitimate forms of freedom, and on and on. My assessment of Islam, conclusively supported by indisputable facts, is that it is a dangerous destructive and death-bearing belief system of a long ago savage people that has inflicted and continues to inflict misery and death to people. I have always believed that being a Muslim and being American are incompatible.

    • EarlyBird

      We must draw a distinction between moderate Muslims and radical Muslims. Yes, the former actually do exist around the world and inside the US. You'll notice that there are no beheadings and honor killings in Michigan, for instance, where the highest concentration of American Muslims exists.

      The US could even use a dose of basic Muslim values like humility, respect for adults, closeness of family, chastity, etc. We've lost a lot of those things.

      Would you rather live next door to the quiet, respectful nice Muslim American family or the loud, drunken, drug taking, partying-all-night guy who doesn't raise his children but who claims to be a Christian?

      • Drakken

        You can take those muslim values and shove them where the sun don't shine, we are a nation of western priciples, not eastern muslim backwards anti-civilizational ones. A clash is enevitable, one value system must perish in order for the other one to survive, I am betting on western civilization.

        • EarlyBird

          Family, respect for adults, humility and those things used to be hallmarks of Western civilization. As the family and manners crumble, so does the West.

          But I am betting that the West won't unnecessarily pick fights abroad and force the "clash of civilizations" that OBL wanted, but rather, let these dysfunctional, childish Muslim societies reform their own religion. In the mean time, we'll have to keep them at bay.

          • Mary Sue

            Islam also mandates beating your wife. Is that a "Western Value" you want to emulate?

          • EarlyBird

            No, Mary Sue, beating one's wife is not a value I wish the West to emulate. As I wrote, I think values like respect for elders, humility, closeness of family, modesty and other things like that are values I would like us to emulate more.

            Is this understandable to you now?

          • aspacia

            EB, it is Qu'ranic doctrine which is a religious value

          • Drakken

            Muslim society won't reform unless made to do so, so continue to wish away, reality is what you had better pay attention too.

          • EarlyBird

            So, Drakken, what do you want to do about the problem? What more can or should we be doing?

          • Drakken

            Islam is going to force us to act one way or another, there will be blood and lots of it.

      • aspacia

        EB, you are stereotyping.

  • Apostate

    Part 2
    A Muslim is an Ummahist. His loyalty, first and above all, is to Islamic world rule and not to his country. It is wishful thinking on the part of the non-Muslims to believe that one can be a Muslim moderate, given that Islam is radical to its very core. To be a moderate Muslim demands that the person explicitly renounce much of the violent, exclusionary, and radical teachings of the Quran. A moderate Muslim is someone who is Muslim in name only. A moderate Muslim is not a true Muslim. If in any way and to any extent a person supports Islam or carries out its stone-age precepts, then he/she is Muslim. There is no such as thing as moderate Muslims. There are, however, some moderate people who consider themselves Muslims. These people are not sure who they are. They are in a limbo and suffer from an identity crisis.

  • Chezwick

    "When your neighbor, coworker, doctor, cabdriver, professor, policeman, soldier is a Muslim and you learn that they are just like you,…"

    But that's the problem, they are NOT just like us. Nidal Hassan wasn't like us when he slaughtered his fellow countrymen in the service of Jihad…and neither are the scores of OTHER Muslims in America who have have planned and/or perpetrated war on the American people over the last decade. Neither are the teenagers of Dearborn who resort to violence because Christian street-preachers dare preach about their own religion. Neither are the parents of Sarah and Amina and others, who murder their children out of religious conviction. Neither are the uncounted Muslims who wish to impose Sharia law on America in violation of its founding principles.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Chezwick AKBAR!

      • JacksonPearson

        LOL…. :o)

  • bob e

    opinions are like whatevermans..everybody's got one.

    i know exactly what to do…but i need some gps experts, some thermo nuclear fallout experts
    and mebbe' the game controller…

    • tagalog

      When I don't want to be vulgar, I use the term "belly button."

      • Mary Sue

        I prefer the term "Clymer" ;)

  • Lan Astaslem

    don't you wish you could move up to head janitor?

    • Mary Sue

      man both those comments must have been horrific! (Whateverman's and ankururdu's)

  • Lan Astaslem

    you are either a muzzy or a naive and weak dhimmi and you are certainly a troll

  • SoCalMike

    Fortress America is the new unspoken foreign policy goal among officialdom but also a spoken goal among far too many ordinary Americans who believe if we cut the US ability to project force, we can have our national defense cake and eat our our social welfare cake too.
    We these otherwise astute and intelligent observers don't get is that defense as an overall military strategy is inherently less effective than offense.
    When the US homeland gets attacked, officials and news media will either turn themselves into pretzels pretending they have no idea who attacked us or immediately pretend it was the work of "right wing extremists"-the all purpose buzz word that means "Bad Guys" in government speak.

    • EarlyBird

      Mike, you have things entirely wrong. The Joint Chiefs Chairman himself stated that the biggest threat to our national security is our debt. And the debts comes from basically three things: Defense, Social Security and Medicare. More or less taxes, etc., is all just politics and window dressing. We either cut or die. We can cut the growth of the last two by adjusting retirement age and doing needs testing. But Defense simply requires cuts. There are a lot of smart cuts we can make that get rid of Cold War era weapons systems.

      And where exactly do we need to "project force," and in what manner? Even with significant cuts, we can put cruise missiles and bombs on to any place in the world within hours. We could cut and still be the biggest and baddest top dog in the world.

      Our country has been falling behind in so many critical ways for decades, other than military. It's time we pay attention to the homeland.

  • BLJ

    The U.S. should have left Afghanistan long ago. That place has no hope. Karzai has gotten very rich while stabbing us in the back every chance he gets.

    The performance of our hamstrung military has been excellent. They could really take care of business there if the corrupt politicians would let them. Since this is not possible bring them home.

    Finally we need to face the fact that Islam does not want to co-exist with anyone else. It is an evil cult that can only be dealt with by deadly force. You don't try to negotiate with termites or cockroaches do you?

  • Leland64

    The problem is Islam. It is a totalitarian ideology masquerading as a religion. In a modern pluralist democracy like the US, Islam is a lethal virus which will sooner or later kill its host. The only answer is to eject the Muslim virus from the US and take firm action to prevent its spread.

  • Jim_C

    What happens next? You begin a long-view intelligence campaign that highlights the discrepancy between the 'religion of peace' and its totalitarian underpinnings. You create situations that force the hand of the so-called moderates to reveal which side they come down on. You highlight situations where basic human rights have been repeatedly undermined specifically in the name of the religion. You force this issue into the public sphere again and again.

    And you concentrate on more pressing threats to our national security.

    • tagalog

      You're right, but such a long-term endeavor would soon be derailed by accusations of religious discrimination and intolerance. They'd probably find a way to throw in racialism over the Middle Eastern origin of most of the Islamic jihadists.

      • Jim_C

        Not if done right, though. You've heard the adage "Show, don't tell?"

    • ObamaYoMoma

      You create situations that force the hand of the so-called moderates to reveal which side they come down on.

      There are no moderates in Islam? The first requirement of Islam is the complete, total, and unconditional submission to the will of Allah, which is Sharia. Thus all Muslims are jihadists, either violent jihadists that are misconstrued today as being terrorists or non-violent jihadists that use stealth and deception to dupe unbelievers. Otherwise they are blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam must be put to death.

      The notion of Muslim moderates is based off of a very false and misleading understanding of what Islam actually is. In fact, one of the most prevalent forms of non-violent jihad currently manifesting today is mass Muslim immigration to the West, as Muslims never migrate to the West to escape backwardness and barbarianism as is often surmised. Instead, they migrate to the West to eventually dominate and subjugate. Look at all the Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia sprinkled throughout Europe and the same process is manifesting over here in the good ole USA as well. Muslims never ever migrate to assimilate and integrate. They only migrate to one-day make Islam supreme. Islam spreads like cancer!

  • RAH

    When The Ta-Li-Ban Come Back

    When the Ta-Li-Ban come back,
    Then we girls will quit the school
    For the acid they would throw
    Would our faces burn away.

    When the Ta-Li-Ban come back,
    Women will not doctors be,
    Jobs are not for such as us,
    Worthless creatures owned by men,
    They may beat us as they please.

    When the Ta-Li-Ban come back,
    I will marry old Rashid,
    I must make a good third wife,
    For I’m nine and just the age
    Of the Prophet’s youngest bride
    When she graced his marriage bed.
    Peace should be upon his name,
    He is perfect in all things.
    Baby-wives obey and serve,
    Keeping tears from off our cheeks.

    When the Ta-Li-Ban come back,
    Women then will know their place,
    Mother must the burka wear,
    Never show a man her face,
    Father must go out with her,
    Or they’ll whip her in the street.

    When the Ta-Li-Ban come back,
    Girls must not report a rape.
    Lacking four Believers who
    Testify it was by force,
    They would scream beneath the stones,
    Dying for adultery.

    When America goes home,
    And the Ta-Li-Ban come back,
    We will know to thank you for
    Living as our mothers lived,
    All subservient to men,
    Thirteen centuries ago.

    Permission to reprint this blank verse poem is granted. But recall what happened to Theo van Gogh. I will link to this from my Old Jarhead blog. (www.tartanmarine.blogspot.com)

    Robert A. Hall
    USMC 1964-68
    USMCR, 1977-83
    Massachusetts Senate, 1973-83
    Author: The Coming Collapse of the American Republic
    All royalties go to help wounded veterans
    For a free PDF of my 80-page book, write tartanmarine(at)gmail.com

    • tagalog

      What happened to Theo Van Gogh? You don't mean Vincent's brother, do you?

      • EarlyBird

        He's referring to the Theo Van Gogh who was a great nephew (or some distant relation) to Vincent. Theo was an artist and was outspoken against Muslim radicals. He made some art movie condemning radical Islam and was stabbed multiple times in the chest in Holland by jihadists for his trouble.

  • EarlyBird

    Greenfield has come full circle.

    He's gone from supporting Bush's "better that we fight them over there than over here," to sounding like a Democrat shortly after 9/11, suggesting that we focus on hardening our defenses and borders instead, and recognizing that we are fighting neither a nation or an army, but "… a religious vanguard that was always meant to serve as the core of an international Islamist terrorist movement."

    Of course, when those left of Greenfield (who isn't?) have suggested this, they were mocked and denounced as naive and soft on terror, or pro-Islamist.

    Of course Greenfield is lying when he suggests that Obama's decimation of AQ in Afghanistan and Pakistan have been useless. And if Bush had knocked off OBL, danny would be proposing he be put on Mt. Rushmore.

    • BLJ

      Hate to burst your bubble but Obama did not "knock out" Bin Laden. The military did. Obama's only concerns are political. He is also an ally of the Muslim Brotherhood.

      Wake up.

      • EarlyBird

        Yeah, BLowJob, I understand the president didn't actually fire the shots that killed OBL. It's called speaking figuratively

        Grow up.

        • BLJ

          Screw you. I bet you were one of those panzies that were telling GWB to stop with the "Dead or Alive" statments about Bin Laden after 9/11. Go play with your Obama doll.

          • EarlyBird

            BLowJob, does your mommy know you're spending so much time on the internet on a school night?

          • BLJ

            You are too stupid to even realize what you are typing. Typical Obama supporter. Better cash that entitlement check before it bounces.

          • EarlyBird

            Actually, I'm of the income and tax bracket the supports bubbas like you.

            You're welcome.

          • BLJ

            So now you have some special powers that determines every posters income? Amazing. Did that come with your blow up Obama doll?

            I guess the 12 people that I employ at my business just pales to a Daddy Warbucks clown like yourself. My bad.

          • WhateverMan

            While hiring your inbred redneck cousins/brothers/uncles to scoop up roadkill for you is great entrepreneurship, and to be commended…No…I have nothing more to say…

          • JacksonPearson

            You're a definite victim of Planned Parenthood retroactive birth control.

  • Drakken

    There is only islam period, the so called moderate ones will succum to the total adherants of that vile false religion. So good luck with the kumbaya interfaith stupidity on steroids. Conflict with islam will come to pass, and nobody of western heritage is going to care if they are moderate of not.

    • EarlyBird

      That's like saying there is no way to differentiate between birds or Christians.

      • JacksonPearson

        You're full of Dhimmi crap.

        • EarlyBird

          Your a xenophobic, paranoid, war mongering, destructive, stupid insult to Christ.

          • Drakken

            Christ told us to turn the other cheek for arguements sake, not to be slaughtered by a bunch of backward savages, clear enough for you?

          • EarlyBird

            Where are we being slaughtered, Drakken? Who are we not fighting that we should be fighting? Is there a place we should be striking militarily which we are not striking? Are we being subjugated at home by Muslims?

            We can't unfortunately, win this war with conventional military means. That's really just a tool to beat back concentrated threats.

            I'd like to be less involved abroad, do better defense at home. My worry is some jihadist gets a nuke and sets it off in a major US city or port. The good news is that wherever the most radical jihadists get ahold of power, they are so brutal that the people immediately reject them.

          • Drakken

            Yes we can win by convetional means, we just have to take off the gloves and deal with the savages in a more expedient manner, total war.

          • JacksonPearson

            With your head stuck so far up your butt, how could an antisemitic like you, know anything about Christ…??? Meaning, your full of Dhimmi crap!

          • aspacia

            It is "you're" you are not your like your car.

  • Drakken

    Whatevernonsense, your open support of anything leftist really says it all.

  • Mary Sue

    Except that the "moderate" Muslims such as the 5 that voted for Gay Marriage in UK Parliament immediately started getting death threats and "fatwas" against them, so it's very difficult for the "moderates" to get anywhere because the radical fundamentalist muslims can come out of the woodwork at any time in the time honored tradition of the Hashashin.

    • EarlyBird

      So then, you agree with me that there is such a thing as moderate Muslims. Thank you.

      We also agree that it's a hard thing to be in this day and age. So let's support them, rather than calling every single one of them terrorists or would-be terrorists, okay? Reward what we like, punish what we don't like.

      • WhateverMan

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        • JacksonPearson

          “In Any War Between the Civilized Man and the Savage,
          Support the Civilized Man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad.”

          —Pamela Geller

          Israel Vs. Hamas is Civilization Vs. Savagery

          • EarlyBird

            Yes, Jackson, but not every single one of the world's 1.5 billion Muslims are savages.

            Hey, if you want to parachute into Mecca weilding your Christians Crusader axe, go for it.

          • Drakken

            It won't be a Crusader axe, it will be Crusader MOAB's

          • JacksonPearson

            Yes they are. Because 90% of the Muslim world are Salafist

            For Sunni Muslims, the patriarch of Islamic terrorism is Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab. He who was born in 1703 in the Arabian Peninsula and was a student of Ibn Taymiyah. Wahhabist Islam is known today as the most pure and authentic, and thus fundamental form of the religion. Muhammad Wahhab based his Islam on the Salaf, the earliest Muslim ancestors who were the Companions of Muhammad.

            The Salaf brought the Quran, the Sira, Tarikh, and Hadith – Islam's oldest and most authoritative sources. Since Muhammad said that Islam could not change, Wahhab taught that anything which was not officially mandated by Muhammad and Allah had no place in the religion. It is why Wahhabists call themselves "Salafists," and why they are the best, most authentic Muslims.

            In direct contradiction to all who apply the "radical" label to the Islam of today's terrorists, the only way for Wahhab or Salaf Muslims to be practicing a corrupted version of Islam, is for Muhammad and his Companions to have gotten Islam wrong. And if that were true, the religion has no basis of any kind. The moment you come to grips with this simple, yet profound, truth, the connection between Islam and terror becomes clear.

          • EarlyBird

            Then why aren't 90% of all Muslims terrorists or otherwise dangerous radicals? Who cares if some nut jobs cut off hands of thieves or stone adulterers to death?

            The question is how do we reduce and counter threats to us here?

          • JacksonPearson

            You won't like to hear this, but I'd send every Muslim in the United States back to the other side of the world ASAP. Why?…Because, would you want to live with live, creeping, slithering venomous reptiles in your home? More because, because that's exactly what Islam is, a toxic poison. e.g., Look at Western Europe, and the UK! Every conflict in the world today, have Islamics involved!

          • aspacia

            The 2nd is about the right to keep and bear arms. If you mean the 1st, it is freedom of religion, but we have the right to execute traitors who would deprive others of their Constitutional rights, which 80% of Muslims would like to do by instituting Sharia Law.

            EB, you are a typical liberal who has difficulty in recognizing a threat. You sound like a product of Europe after WWI, and similar to Chamberlain will resort to trying to appease madmen.

          • aspacia

            The radical Muslims number in the millions and you might read some statistical facts regarding 80% of Muslims in the West support homicide/suicide attacks.

            And the question is not how to reduce the threat it is HOW TO DESTROY THE THREAT.

          • aspacia

            You just made your opponents' point with valid evidence regarding intolerant Islamic doctrine which most Muslims follow.

        • Drakken

          Don't you ever get tired of throwing out the race card in every conversation? Hint, it has zero meaning because you leftards have abused it to shut down any type of debate, so get bent with it shortbus.

          • EarlyBird

            Sort of like how "anti-Semite!" is thrown around on this ship of fools?

          • aspacia

            How did Judaism enter this claim regarding Islam.

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  • Indioviejo

    Daniel, what next? Lets remember Mossad's great response to the Munich massacre and let us hunt Muslims anywhere in the world. Anytime we see one on TV demanding our blood we should waste his first. It is war after all, and I believe it is a war of civilizations. Even Obama can see the merit of killing people like Al Awlaki so who am I to say different?

  • WilliamJamesWard

    What's next, probably another devastating attack on our Nation, maybe a nuclear attack by
    North Korea or Iran which will be blamed on some idiot with a $5.00 movie camera showing
    that America insulted Islam and thoroughly deserves death and destruction which came from
    alien Islamists on the Moon………..Cheesy bunch………..Obama will want us to repent and
    bend over on newly provided prayer rugs to beg for forgiveness, while Kerry revisits
    Gengis Kahn in our military and our awful reputation of meanness……………….William

  • obama guy

    But Daniel Greenfield, you forgot to mention that it is all "The Blacks" fault.

  • popseal

    A very short psuedo peace will be followed by a series of horrendous attacts and everybody will be blamed but the king and faux messiah in the White House…….talk radio and NRA members might even be blamed??????

  • Chezwick

    Response to 'Earlybird's comments higher up on thread

    1) Of course there are moderate Muslims. I refer to them as “nominal” or “cultural Muslims“. They are not particularly religious and if they are moderate, it is IN SPITE of their faith, not because of it.

    2) Rashd Khalifah was an apostate who was murdered in Arizona in the early 90s. Muslim women who are victims of honor killings in America are sometimes killed for rejecting their religion.

    3) Your examples of Turkey and Indonesia as moderate countries is salient. Indonesia is a hot-bed of radicalism, where church-burnings are common and thousands of Christians have been slaughtered in the last decade. Turkey has been gradually dismantling Attaturk's secular society over the same period.

    Furthermore, I challenge you to find a single example of a Turk or Indonesian who have openly apostated from Islam and continue to reside there. It doesn't happen because the penalty is clear.

    4) The "much more mild practice of Islam" you cite in the 20th century should be seen for what it is, an historical anomaly, a post-colonial hang-over from Western dominance …when Western and Soviet constructs such as nationalism, socialism and communism unduly influenced the Muslim world. Those days are obviously waning. The Muslim world is today reasserting its traditional identity. Sharia is making inroads in every Muslim-majority nation on the planet. The world is changing….best get up to speed.

  • Afghanvet18f

    Greenfield , you take great liberties with the truth.
    We did not lose the war in Afghanistan. We decimated an entire generation of Afghan and foreign jihadi's.
    Afghanistan is only a battlefield in the global war against jihadi islam. Afghanistan is a perfect training ground for jihadi camps and training facilities because of the close assistance they get from the paks.
    The politicians have made it extremely difficult for us military to engage and destroy the enemie, but against odds we do it well. World class killing. So get off your soap box and do some research. We are not going to leave Afghanistan BTW. SOF forces and marines will always be there, as well as state of the art listening posts and radar facilities. Afghanistan is an ideal location for us to keep an eye on iran and pakistan. Yers the PC politicians, both sides, have screwed things up, but we are winning in this long war against radical islam.

  • aspacia

    EB, there is a minor revolt in Islam led by a few courageous Muslims like Jasser, but it is not a civil war.