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	<title>Comments on: Are There Fewer Mass Shootings in Europe Because Involuntary Commitment is Easier?</title>
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		<title>By: Keith Isaacs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Isaacs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 02:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That certainly is a possibility, but there could also be other reasons. For example, there could be enough treatment from the domestic to professional level that helps prevent berserk attacks. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That certainly is a possibility, but there could also be other reasons. For example, there could be enough treatment from the domestic to professional level that helps prevent berserk attacks. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 01:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps there are other factors in need of consideration -- not just whether or not a person is mentally ill. Some studies have found that violence in the mentally ill correlates with such factors as gender, age, previous convictions or run-ins with the police, and (one of the most important factors) substance abuse.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps there are other factors in need of consideration &#8212; not just whether or not a person is mentally ill. Some studies have found that violence in the mentally ill correlates with such factors as gender, age, previous convictions or run-ins with the police, and (one of the most important factors) substance abuse.  </p>
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		<title>By: PAthena</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PAthena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mental institutions in the United States and Canada were shut down because some government officials found out that it was cheaper to put the mentally ill into jail on vagrancy charges than to put them into mental institutions.  That is why jails like Rikers have the largest number of mentally ill. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mental institutions in the United States and Canada were shut down because some government officials found out that it was cheaper to put the mentally ill into jail on vagrancy charges than to put them into mental institutions.  That is why jails like Rikers have the largest number of mentally ill. </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is how places like Cuba have so little crime!  They lock up everybody! 
 
Now, most communist regimes arbitrarily diagnosed &quot;mental illness&quot; when it was in fact dissent (which they probably make a good excuse to the true believing people that anyone who disagreed with the Worker&#039;s Glorious Revolution HAD to be nuts), they more than likely locked up ALL the really crazy people too. 
 
However, yeah.  Not a good situation overall. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is how places like Cuba have so little crime!  They lock up everybody! </p>
<p>Now, most communist regimes arbitrarily diagnosed &quot;mental illness&quot; when it was in fact dissent (which they probably make a good excuse to the true believing people that anyone who disagreed with the Worker&#039;s Glorious Revolution HAD to be nuts), they more than likely locked up ALL the really crazy people too. </p>
<p>However, yeah.  Not a good situation overall. </p>
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		<title>By: Memory Stick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Memory Stick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on, asd2mom.  The mental health community has some serious problems that everyone glosses over with assumptions of fairness and actual concern about patients.  More conservatives need to educate themselves about the history of this brutal field.  You can check out books like Dr. Peter Breggin&#039;s Toxic Psychiatry, Dr. Colin Ross&#039; CIA Doctors, Dr. Harvey Weinstein&#039;s account of his own father&#039;s encounter with notorious psychiatrist nutball Dr. Ewen Cameron, and look at Robert Proctor&#039;s Racial Hygiene: Medicine Under the Nazis for details.   
 
Among the highlights are involuntary, bizarre &quot;medical&quot; experiments on people who were made out to be mentally ill, wildly inappropriate treatments that destroyed people&#039;s sanity, the rise of &quot;authoritarian psychiatry&quot; in the Nazi era worldwide as well as the sordid history of Dr. Ernst Rudin, originator of the final solution when it was initially used on psychiatric patients.  Rudin was never tried at Nuremburg, and word is that his work was accepted without much soul-searching post-war.  Then, you can start researching the way Communist governments have typically co-opted psychiatry as an enforcer of their political views.  Lots of Russians ended up in mental hospitals for their religious or political beliefs, as the Chinese reportedly also are now.  Given the battles over the vagueness and broadening of the latest DSM manuals where just about everything can be labeled mental illness, we&#039;re not far from ending up in this position as it stands.  Even here in the US, things are far from good or fair. 
 
So yes, by all means, let&#039;s just give these people even more power without accountability, so then your mother who likes to talk to plants can be involuntarily committed for being crazy, and you can sleep safely knowing you&#039;ve won one for freedom.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, asd2mom.  The mental health community has some serious problems that everyone glosses over with assumptions of fairness and actual concern about patients.  More conservatives need to educate themselves about the history of this brutal field.  You can check out books like Dr. Peter Breggin&#039;s Toxic Psychiatry, Dr. Colin Ross&#039; CIA Doctors, Dr. Harvey Weinstein&#039;s account of his own father&#039;s encounter with notorious psychiatrist nutball Dr. Ewen Cameron, and look at Robert Proctor&#039;s Racial Hygiene: Medicine Under the Nazis for details.   </p>
<p>Among the highlights are involuntary, bizarre &quot;medical&quot; experiments on people who were made out to be mentally ill, wildly inappropriate treatments that destroyed people&#039;s sanity, the rise of &quot;authoritarian psychiatry&quot; in the Nazi era worldwide as well as the sordid history of Dr. Ernst Rudin, originator of the final solution when it was initially used on psychiatric patients.  Rudin was never tried at Nuremburg, and word is that his work was accepted without much soul-searching post-war.  Then, you can start researching the way Communist governments have typically co-opted psychiatry as an enforcer of their political views.  Lots of Russians ended up in mental hospitals for their religious or political beliefs, as the Chinese reportedly also are now.  Given the battles over the vagueness and broadening of the latest DSM manuals where just about everything can be labeled mental illness, we&#039;re not far from ending up in this position as it stands.  Even here in the US, things are far from good or fair. </p>
<p>So yes, by all means, let&#039;s just give these people even more power without accountability, so then your mother who likes to talk to plants can be involuntarily committed for being crazy, and you can sleep safely knowing you&#039;ve won one for freedom.   </p>
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		<title>By: AdinaK</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AdinaK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 15:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One can&#039;t imagine why an involuntary admit, of a professionally diagnosed individual, is a violation of their rights. In fact, how many truly unbalanced people will admit that they are a danger to themselves or society at large? Exactly.   
So the question becomes: why have leftist pols and their agitators - who claim to care so much about the kiddies, and innocents in general- make it near impossible to commit someone in the U.S.? Well, it is hardly a secret that leftists in the land of the free, the home of the brave, are anything but concerned. They will do anything to keep control, and it is easier to grab control when crazies are out there, doing heaven knows what. Alas, &quot;big brother&quot; will swoop in as &quot;savior&quot; Sheesh. 
Sounds crazy. I know. But it is patently obvious too. Leftist dogma is at its root and there is no arguing with their ideology, even if it means using the children as props - &lt;a href=&quot;http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/01/leftist-dogma-the-same-world-over-freedom-loving-people-beware-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki-32-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/01/leftist-dogma...&lt;/a&gt;   
   
Adina Kutnicki, Israel - &lt;a href=&quot;http://adinakutnicki.com/about/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://adinakutnicki.com/about/&lt;/a&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can&#039;t imagine why an involuntary admit, of a professionally diagnosed individual, is a violation of their rights. In fact, how many truly unbalanced people will admit that they are a danger to themselves or society at large? Exactly.<br />
So the question becomes: why have leftist pols and their agitators &#8211; who claim to care so much about the kiddies, and innocents in general- make it near impossible to commit someone in the U.S.? Well, it is hardly a secret that leftists in the land of the free, the home of the brave, are anything but concerned. They will do anything to keep control, and it is easier to grab control when crazies are out there, doing heaven knows what. Alas, &quot;big brother&quot; will swoop in as &quot;savior&quot; Sheesh.<br />
Sounds crazy. I know. But it is patently obvious too. Leftist dogma is at its root and there is no arguing with their ideology, even if it means using the children as props &#8211; <a href="http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/01/leftist-dogma-the-same-world-over-freedom-loving-people-beware-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki-32-2/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/01/leftist-dogma" rel="nofollow">http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/01/leftist-dogma</a>&#8230;   </p>
<p>Adina Kutnicki, Israel &#8211; <a href="http://adinakutnicki.com/about/" rel="nofollow">http://adinakutnicki.com/about/</a> </p>
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		<title>By: asd2mom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[asd2mom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure how helping the mentally ill segways into immigration reform...somehow the author thinks that the mentally ill are akin to murderous illegal immigrants.? Not for nothing the comparison is insulting and uneducated, Stay on topic.... Oh I get it, according to the author, the mentally ill are akin to a bunch of murderous thugs who need to be removed from our society.  
  
This post isn&#039;t about helping the mentally ill, God forbid. This post is about marginalizing and demonizing the mentally ill. The tenure of this post is indicative of the problems that the mentally ill face in this society. Is it not a wonder that people refuse to not only get the help they need but even their families refuse to accept how in need many mentally ill happen to be. Who accepts being held up to such ridicule.  
  
Next time how about a real post about helping the mentally ill get the help they need without the vitriol.  
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure how helping the mentally ill segways into immigration reform&#8230;somehow the author thinks that the mentally ill are akin to murderous illegal immigrants.? Not for nothing the comparison is insulting and uneducated, Stay on topic&#8230;. Oh I get it, according to the author, the mentally ill are akin to a bunch of murderous thugs who need to be removed from our society.  </p>
<p>This post isn&#039;t about helping the mentally ill, God forbid. This post is about marginalizing and demonizing the mentally ill. The tenure of this post is indicative of the problems that the mentally ill face in this society. Is it not a wonder that people refuse to not only get the help they need but even their families refuse to accept how in need many mentally ill happen to be. Who accepts being held up to such ridicule.  </p>
<p>Next time how about a real post about helping the mentally ill get the help they need without the vitriol.  </p>
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