Barack’s Plan B for the Brotherhood

OMuslimBTahrir Square may have filled up with fireworks after Morsi’s fall, but it’s far too early to count the Muslim Brotherhood out of the game. Not when its best asset is still in the White House.

As the Anti-Morsi protests grew intense, the White House attempted to sell the Brotherhood president on a plan for early elections and a broader coalition. That plan never went anywhere and when the military rolled out its deadline, the administration was left scrambling to head off the inevitable.

Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel got on the phone to the Egyptian military and proved to be about as effective as he had been at his confirmation hearing. Secretary of State John Kerry was last seen aboard his yacht at Nantucket. The only consistent thing about Obama’s foreign policy teams is that they hover somewhere between the incompetent and the ineffectual. But that’s because they really don’t matter.

Kerry has as little to do with foreign policy decision making as his predecessor. Like Hillary, Kerry is a “face” to be kept busy with some make-work, in this case the bankrupt Israeli-Palestinian peace process. The real foreign policy decisions are handled by a close circle of Obama advisers who will never have to dance through a confirmation hearing. Hagel and Kerry are just the clowns who get to take the blame.

America under Obama has fairly little political influence. Its only real leverage over Egypt is foreign aid. Whatever threats Hagel and Kerry made to Cairo were not enough to stop the Egyptian military from acting as the arbiters of political succession for a second time. This time without the approval of D.C.

Plan A, the plan to keep Morsi in power with new elections and a coalition with some liberal figures, flopped.

Plan B however may work. Plan B is the plan to get the Brotherhood back into power and it depends on using foreign aid and international investments to pressure the current government into rushing into new elections as soon as possible.

During the last days of Mubarak, there was a split over whether to push the Egyptian leader to call for elections or to force his immediate resignation.

The foreign policy pros wanted Mubarak to go the elections route which would have resulted in a smooth transition of power and would have made the liberal protesters more competitive in a national election, but Obama’s inner circle sidelined the pros and demanded that Mubarak immediately step down. The rushed elections were a gift to the Muslim Brotherhood; the only group with the organization needed to compete and win an election on short notice.

With Morsi, the White House picked the “slow” elections route that it had rejected with Mubarak. Now that Morsi is out, the White House is reverting to calls for “fast” elections and a rapid and immediate transfer of power. The call for fast elections once again benefits the Brotherhood.

But there’s more to Plan B than just another rushed election that would take place soon enough to be characterized by the Brotherhood’s street battles and aggrieved victimization, rather than by policy.

Obama issued a statement in which he not only called for quick elections, but also warned the Egyptian military to “avoid any arbitrary arrests of President Morsi and his supporters”. The Egyptian judiciary and police appear to have largely ignored his words, but that warning is part of the Plan B strategy to protect the Muslim Brotherhood’s ability to compete in and win a new set of elections.

During his brief reign, Morsi had overseen a regime that used violent militias to kill and torture political opponents. In any other country that would be grounds for criminal charges. But Plan B depends on intimidating the Egyptian authorities into making the same mistake that Mubarak did by setting the Brotherhood loose one more time.

Obama’s statement is unique because he offered no such warnings after the takedown of Mubarak, even though Mubarak loyalists continued to remain politically active and there was no democratically elected government in place.

In response to the common and correct perception among many Egyptians that Obama supports the Muslim Brotherhood, Kerry issued a statement saying, “The United States categorically rejects the false claims propagated by some in Egypt that we are working with specific political parties or movements to dictate how Egypt’s transition should proceed.”

However Obama’s earlier statement in defense of the Brotherhood coupled with the implication that Egypt’s foreign aid was linked to its treatment of the Muslim Brotherhood gives the lie to that defense.

The White House still wants the Muslim Brotherhood to win. It couldn’t head off the mass protests and military action that toppled Morsi, but its Plan B is meant to salvage that disaster by paving the way for a second round of Muslim Brotherhood political victories.

What Team Obama couldn’t manage to do within the military deadline, they hope to be able to manage in the coming weeks and months as Egypt’s new government struggles with economic problems that require international aid. As the Brotherhood’s protests grow, the new government will be caught between a rock and a hard place. And the State Department will be playing the familiar game of forcing a wounded government to make concessions to its worst enemies in exchange for American support.

These are the tactics that turned over China to the Communist Party and Iran over to the Ayatollahs. The treason of the diplomats did not begin in 2008. It began far earlier and hit its peak during the Cold War. And those same reliable tactics will be employed to compel a second Muslim Brotherhood victory.

Plan B requires forcing the Egyptian authorities to do two things. Call elections as soon as possible and avoid arresting or prosecuting Muslim Brotherhood officials and members for their numerous crimes. Every time you see Team Obama or the State Department issuing another statement expressing concern about the protests in Egypt, urging a transition to democracy and condemning the arrest of Brotherhood figures, what you are really seeing is Plan B in action.

Plan A couldn’t keep Morsi in power. Plan B intends to finish what Obama’s Cairo speech started by putting the Muslim Brotherhood back on the throne.

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  • EdBene

    Debkafile contends that the Egyptian military has pledges from the Saudis to provide it with any funding the US pulls and that they are prepared to go it without the US. The claim is made that the Saudis and the Egyptian military are intent on dealing serious blows to the Muslim Brotherhood and that they are well aware that as much is against BHO’s wishes. If they are correct, it would appear that the stage is set for plenty more cloak and dagger.

    http://www.debka.com/article/23101/Obama-frowns-on-Egyptian-army%E2%80%99s-alignment-with-Gulf-regimes-coming-crackdown-on-Muslim-Brotherhood-

    • ObamaYoMoma

      That sounds viable as the Saudis always go after Islamic groups that are obvious and overly aggressive jihadists, i.e., AQ and now Morsi. The Saudis prefer slow and steady stealth and deceptive jihad via mass Muslim immigration to the West for the long-term purpose of stealth demographic conquest, and they are very adept at using extensive bribes and manipulation of politicians to fulfill their jihad.

  • Poupic

    Barack Hussein promotes the enemies of the USA and the rest of the free world. The Muslim Brotherhood, Erdogan’s Turkey, Islamists who ended murdering Ambassador Stevens… It is time to impeach Barack Hussein before he does more arm to the USA. Enough is enough!

    • jon

      That’s wishful thinking…it will never happen. Do you realize what kind of power has put this man in office and kept him there and reelected him? That kind of power is not easily overturned. This is the power of World Marxism which very few people understand or even know about. Obama is a Marxist but he is NOT a Marxist intellectual. He is a pawn in a game of world political chess. The real enemy is world Marxism. The Democratic Party is rife with deluded useful idiots who believe in a fairytale socialist utopia. Marxism has political power and practically unlimited funding. Until people are willing to recognize Marxist propaganda and power the country will be permanently fundamentally transformed into a fascist state.
      Jon

      • AddisonDewitt

        The useful idiots…while the world burns all they are focused on is homosexual ” marriage”, transgender school “children” being allowed to use whatever restroom they wish in California, and “free” birth control and abortion on demand at any stage.

      • Mladen_Andrijasevic

        It still does not make sense. During the Cold War when the Soviet Union was trying to dominate the West there were still people who were aware of the danger and there were Kremlinologists who observed every move of the Politburo. Have all these people died? There is nobody sane left? The Iranian threat is global. According to several scholars of Islam like Bernard Lewis and Raphael Israeli the Iranian mullahs are capable starting a nuclear war, and yet the majority of the American population is totally unaware of the danger. There is absolutely no discussion on the subject. It is a completely taboo topic. It is mind boggling that the majority of Americans are not even aware of the threat! Their lives are at stake.

        Why are Bernard Lewis’s views on MAD ignored?
        http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2012/05/why-are-bernard-lewiss-views-on-mad.html

        • EarlyBird

          Mladen, do you know why most people don’t believe that Iran is run by a bunch of insane people willing to die in a nuclear holocaust? Because:

          The ones running that story are the ones who want us to get into major land wars throughout the Middle East, including neocons, arms manufacturers and war mongering nitwits like McCain. (Boys who cried wolf.)

          Islamist Iran has acted irrationally since its inception of ’79.

          Israel, the country with the most to worry about, isn’t that worried. If they really believed that Iran would nuke Israel the moment they got the bomb, Israel would have made countless strikes against Iran by now, US “permission” or not, including possibly using one of it’s 200+ nuclear missile on Tehran itself.

          • Mladen_Andrijasevic

            Well, you are wrong. I live in Israel and Israel is VERY worried. We are worried because we have been under rocket attacks for years now and we do not want future rockets to carry a nuclear warhead, but fortunately, in contrast to Obama, Netanyahu is fully aware of the threat.

            Be’er Sheva under Grad attack
            http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2012/11/beer-sheva-under-grad-attack.html

            Do you really think that by appending a label ‘neocon’ you can dismiss the 60 years of knowledge of a scholar of Bernard Lewis’s caliber? His words carry weight.

            David Grossman vs. Bernard Lewis. Whom do you trust more on Iran?
            http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2012/08/david-grossman-vs-bernard-lewis-whom-do.html

            The reason Israel has not yet attacked the Iranian nuclear sites is because other measures like stuxnet, duqu , flame and Mahdi have managed to slow down the Iranian program, but sooner or later Israel will have to destroy the Iranian nuclear sites because Israel does not have a choice and Israel is alone since the rest of the world is “unteachable”.

            In the House of Commons, on May 2, 1935, Winston Churchill said:

            “When the situation was manageable it was neglected, and now that it is thoroughly out of hand, we apply the remedies which then might have effected a cure. There is nothing new in the story. It is as old as the Sibylline books. It falls into that long dismal catalogue of the fruitlessness of experience and the confirmed unteachability of mankind. Want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong – these are the features which constitute the endless repetition of history.”

          • EarlyBird

            I am not dismissing Bernard Lewis as a “neocon.” He was an excellent historian (I’m looking at his “What Went Wrong?” right now on my bookshelf). Yet, his insights into the Islamist mind do not replace analysis of military threats emanating out of Iran.

            The question is not “are Iranians bad guys?” That’s a given. It always boils down to pros and cons of military action. What is likely to happen if we don’t attack vs. if we do, and what are the likely consequences of each action or inaction. That’s for the generals, not the historians.

          • Drakken

            Military action with Iran is evitable, now, will we go whole hog and give them total war? Then we will be successful, If we go half azzed like we have been doing for decades, it will fail.

          • EarlyBird

            Rambo, in your world military action against Connecticut is inevitable.

            Curious: What constitutes “whole hog total war” against Iran? With what army would we achieve that? Would it just be an air campaign, or a nuclear attack? What is the end result you would expect to achieve once the shooting is over?

            And will you be willing to acknowledge that believing such a war is inevitable can be a self-fulfilling prophecy?

            Would you prefer a cataclysmic war, or a much longer and frustrating few more decades of sealing it off, containing it, pressuring it, and allowing the regime to collapse from within?

          • defcon 4

            LOL, “collapse from within”. Gee the islam0-nazi “republic” of Iran has existed from some thirty years now without collapsing. Freedom and liberty doesn’t seem to be breaking out anywhere in the islamic world either Mehmet — despite your histrionic lies to the contrary.

          • EarlyBird

            You ignoramus, the most pro-US country in the Middle East besides Israel, is Iran. The mullahs talk about their “secular problem” like secular dicators talk about their “Muslim problem.” Try reading real books, even if they don’t have pictures.

          • defcon 4

            Huh? The most pro-US country in the Mid-East is Iran? How do you figure that Mehmet? Or should I say Farshad?
            A country that systematically persecutes everyone non-muslim and women is the most pro-US country in the Mid-East? Stick to peddling your lies in your madrassah.

          • EarlyBird

            You dips***t. A country is a lot more than its government. It’s made up of people. Yes, among many, many Iranians the US is actually very popular, as are many aspects of Western culture, values and ideas. The mullahs talk about their “secular problem.”

            Have you heard of the “Green Revolution” by chance? Do you know they drive cars, watch t.v., and have plumbing in Iran? How ignorant are you, actually?

          • Drakken

            So who runs that Islamic country the mullahs and revolutionary guard, or those pro-usa folks?

          • EarlyBird

            Yes, Drakken. Very good. The mullahs and the Revolutionary Guard run the country and are violently anti-USA, but many of its citizens actually love the US. Glad to know you can follow along.

          • defcon 4

            “Many” eh? I don’t suppose you have any proof to support your claims do you? BTW, I’ve met Persian Jews and they don’t seem to share your enthusiasm for Islam or the Islamic “republic” of Iran.

          • EarlyBird

            That your parochial, frightened little pea brain can’t imagine any Muslim who is not a scimitar-wielding cartoon, is not my problem.

            But here’s some “proof” below, you nit wit. I could add another three dozen such article.

            And here’s the rule, little boy: If you come back and dismiss the sources, you fail. If you come back with a non-sequitor, you fail. If you come back with anything other than, “Gee, I didn’t know that. You’re right,” you fail. If you don’t come back to this discussion, you fail.

            http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/the-iran-we-dont-see-a-tour-of-the-country-where-people-love-americans/258166/

            http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0119/p09s02-coop.html

            http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/A_New_Day_in_Iran.html

          • Drakken

            Careful Def, ole Early will have a complete meltdown and really call you names. ;)

          • EarlyBird

            Nah, he’s not even gonna come back, Chesty. He might actually be smart enough to be embarrassed. He’s certainly not man enough to admit he’s clueless.

          • EarlyBird

            Hey Drakken, let the record show that lil’ DipCom never came back to the post above and is dodging me because he’s pathetically small. Maybe you need to send him back through Basic.

          • EarlyBird

            Hey DipComedy Jam, you never got back to my post below showing that you’re an idiot about Iran, but you’ve come to this site and posted other messages on other threads since then.

            You’re dodging me. You broke the rule. You fail. You’ve proved that you’re not man enough to admit you don’t know what you’re talking about. How sad.

          • Drakken

            Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo what does that have to do with what one having to do with the other? It doesn’t matter if a few Persians like us or not, the islamaniacs run the country, hence if the mullahs build a nuke, it is all over.

          • EarlyBird

            So let Israel take care of them. They’ve got a lot more to lose than anyone else does, and they’ve got the means to do it, even 200 nukes of their own.

          • defcon 4

            Meanwhile, anyone non-muslim is still being persecuted in Iran. Meanwhile Iran finances/trains/equips Hezbollah. I’ve never noticed ANYONE muslime in Iran agitating for equal rights for the filthy kufr Farshad, but you already knew that didn’t you?

          • Drakken

            Yeah they are so Pro-USA you can actually see it right?? Oh that is right REMF, your wishful thinking will carry the day, thank God your here to tell the rest of us how to really do it right.

          • EarlyBird

            Oh yeah Killer, Mr. “I’ve worked ‘security’ in the Middle East and I’m a hardened savage killer” take a look at the articles I posted to your sidekick, DipCom4.

          • Drakken

            Are the fumes in that lab you work at starting to get to you? So it would seem REMF. Your really should tell your employers to have a little more ventilation. Just looking out for you shower shoe.

          • Drakken

            No need to invade, start leveling their infrastructure and a few of their cities, use whatever means necessary to do so, that’ll take the jihad out of their sails and give them a choice, unconditional surrender or annihilation. Your welcome REMF always glad to help you out of the rear with the gear and away from those beakers your looking at all day.

          • EarlyBird

            You’re psychotic.

          • defcon 4

            Yes the infidel/kufr world should just gracefully accept their status as second class citizens, dhimmis and slaves in the worldwide caliphate you drool over.

          • Mladen_Andrijasevic

            He was an historian? Bernard Lewis is still alive. The problem is that his “insights into the Islamist mind “ are not being taken account in any discussion today. There is absolutely no discussion on the inapplicability of the mutually assured destruction doctrine with regards to Iran in any media today and most people are completely unaware of the threat.

            For if other scholars of Islam Raphael Israeli,

            http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Opinion/MAD-deterrence-is-being-foiled-by-mad-leaders

            former CIA director James Woolsey ,

            http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2012/04/threat-from-iran-james-woolsey.html

            former CIA spy who spent 10 years among the Revolutionary Guards, Reza Kahlili

            http://atimetobetray.com/blog/in-support-of-democracy-in-iran/ and German scholar Matthias Kuntzel

            http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/antisemitism-messianism-and-the-cult-of-sacrifice-the-iranian-holy-war

            all believe that the Iranian threat is real, then it becomes clear however horrible the Iranian retaliation would be it would still be incomparable to an Iranian nuclear attack

          • EarlyBird

            I thought he died a few years ago? My God, the man must be ancient.

            Please tell me: Why haven’t the Israelis attacked Iran yet? What do you believe will happen the day the Iranians get a useful nuclear missile?

          • Mladen_Andrijasevic

            The Israelis have not attacked yet because Stuxnet, Duqu, Flame and Mahdi viruses managed to postpone the Iranian progress towards the bomb. The Israelis also did not attack yet because first Bush and then Obama ( in their ignorance of the magnitude of the Iranian threat) did everything to prevent Israel from attacking.

            http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Opinion/A-View-from-Israel-Deterrence-is-irrelevant

            But do read this from the article by ISRAEL KASNETT

            Iran is led by a group of irrational men who believe they can hurry the arrival of the Mahdi – the 12th Imam who, according to Shi’ite Islamic tradition, went missing in 874 CE and will return under conditions of global chaos. The Iranian leadership appears willing to sacrifice the population of its own country to achieve this goal.

            In his book The Rise of Nuclear Iran, former Israeli ambassador to the UN Dore Gold writes, “Mahdi Khaliji, an Iranian Shi’ite scholar… has noted that there are apocalyptic hadiths [received Shi’ite traditions] that the Mahdi will not return unless one-third of the world population is killed and another third die. But Ahmadinejad and his followers believe man can actively create the conditions for the Mahdi’s arrival in the here and now…”

            You ask “What do you believe will happen the day the Iranians get a useful nuclear missile?”

            That day will never come. Israel will not permit it regardless what Obama thinks. Because Israel has no othet choice except the choice of being incinerated in a nuclear attack.

          • EarlyBird

            Then good luck to Israel, and I mean that.

          • defcon 4

            Yeah right. Who wouldn’t believe you?

          • Drakken

            They will use it and expect the madhi to come crawling out of a well to save them from our wrath.

          • EarlyBird

            I read Israeli’s post and was not impressed. Pointing to apocalyptic notions in the leaders’ religion isn’t enough to send the US into another war of choice in the Middle East. I’d be far more impressed had he given us an example of Iran’s reckless, self-harming behavior. Islamist Iran has always been bad and scary, but it’s never shown collective insanity.

            And again, I can’t understand why if Israel is so very terrified, so certain it will be turned to ashes by way of an Iranian bomb, that it simply hasn’t struck already. Why just delay it with Stuxnet, etc.?

            Your post was excellent, by the way, and I love your description of the Soviets as “thugs with a ideological cover story,” which is spot on.

          • Mladen_Andrijasevic

            I don’t think you read carefully what I write. The “thugs with an ideological cover story” was a direct transcript of the embedded video of the former director of the CIA James Woolsey. His words verbatim. You also do not seem to have read what Bernard Lewis said:“In this context, the deterrent that worked so well during the Cold War, namely M.A.D. (Mutual Assured Destruction) , would have no meaning. At the End of Time, there will be general destruction anyway. What will matter is the final destination of the dead– hell for the infidels, and the delights of heaven for the believers. For people with this mindset, M.A.D. is not a constraint; it is an inducement…

            Most of all, I suggest you read the 14 pages of the paper Matthias Kuntzel delivered at Columbia University in 2008 Matthias Küntzel – Antisemitism, Messianism and the Cult of Sacrifice:The Iranian Holy War – and then comment .
            http://madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2012/09/matthias-kuntzel-antisemitism_8.html

          • Mladen_Andrijasevic

            I don’t think you read carefully what I write. The “thugs with an ideological cover story” was a direct transcript of the embedded video of the former director of the CIA James Woolsey. His words verbatim. You also do not seem to have read what Bernard Lewis said “In this context, the deterrent that worked so well during the Cold War, namely M.A.D. (Mutual Assured Destruction) , would have no meaning. At the End of Time, there will be general destruction anyway. What will matter is the final destination of the dead– hell for the infidels, and the delights of heaven for the believers. For people with this mindset, M.A.D. is not a constraint; it is an inducement…

            Most of all, I suggest you read the 14 pages of the paper Matthias Kuntzel delivered at Columbia University in 2008 Matthias Küntzel – Antisemitism, Messianism and the Cult of Sacrifice:The Iranian Holy War – and then comment .

          • Mladen_Andrijasevic

            I don’t think you read carefully what I write. The “thugs with an ideological cover story” was a direct transcript of the embedded video of the former director of the CIA James Woolsey. His words verbatim.

            I suggest you read the 14 pages of the paper delivered at Columbia University in 2008 Matthias Küntzel – Antisemitism, Messianism and the Cult of Sacrifice:The Iranian Holy War – and then comment .
            http://madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2012/09/matthias-kuntzel-antisemitism_8.html

          • defcon 4

            Yes, but some “thugs w/an ideological cover story” you don’t mind at all (viz. any islamic state).

          • John Edward Coleman

            Mr. S–T Bird,

            I too , have books on my book shelf !
            Just the ones I have read !!
            I suggest you do the same !

            Then you may understand ” What is > Going Wrong ” ??

            So far , I have doubt you have the Cranial Capacity !!

          • EarlyBird

            You need to lay down with a cool washcloth on your head, John.

          • John Edward Coleman

            Hello Bird,
            Within your collection of books , have you a copy of ;
            ” The” 49 Laws of Power ” ?? law #15 speaks of Obama’s motives along with the other 48 !

            620 to 560 BCE “, Aesop ” the Greek fabulist ,
            1732 to 1808 “John Dickinson” known as Penman of the
            Revelation , 1736 to 1799 ” Patrick Henry ” & many others have stated ;

            ” United we shall Stand & Divided we shall Fall ”

            Obama’s only true agenda is to see us FALL in his lifetime ! and I’ll be Damned if that isn’t happening
            Right before our Very Eyes !!

            Any Comments ????

          • defcon 4

            Israel isn’t worried eh? Since when do islam0-nazis speak for the people of Israel?

          • Drakken

            I see your, I feel therefore I am as policy positions are hard at work again. Do you ever tire of your wishful thinking, these savages aren’t insane, they are high on islam and they don’t care how many they kill to get that bloody madhi out of the well to do it.

          • EarlyBird

            It seems, Colonel Ripper, that whenever I lay out a solid list of objective facts and considerations, you try to dismiss them as mere “feelings.” Go ahead, and try to counter my points with other objective facts and considerations. I’m willing to consider. Or, are you too emotional to do that?

            Go ahead, Rambo. Please provide concrete counter-examples to show that Iran’s mullahs have not made rational decisions based on their own self preservation since ’79. Tell me why, however rotten, they won’t respond to MAD.

          • Drakken

            When push comes to shove REMF, the mullahs don’t and won’t respond to MAD no matter how much you wish they will. They will take every muslim with them in the process of trying to get that madhi out of the well. Your welcome Sparky, glad to help you out of that kumbaya moment.

          • EarlyBird

            Uh huh. In other words, you have no examples of the mullahs acting insane or against their own self preservation whatsoever, so all you can do is continue to assert your terrified idiocy.

            My belief is not about “kumbaya,” it’s about dealing in reality. You continue fantasizing about hacking your way through the world’s Muslims while us REMFs do the heavy thinking, okay Killer?

          • Drakken

            Yeah beaker watcher, you and reality in the same sentence is an oxymoron, so nice try REMF. Obviously I can’t do your thinking for you, so I’ll give you couple examples, ever since 79 when your Persian friends took the embassy and blew my barracks and the US Embassy in 83, and there was no retribution they have been pushing the envelope ever since. They think in their minds that Uncle Sugar is a sap and won’t do anything but do cyber attacks on them and will never attack them directly and so far they have been proven right. There ya go Sparky, a little reading for you to do further your edumacation. I am so glad that I could help you with those critical thinking skills instead of the re-education you got in CA.

          • EarlyBird

            Oh well that settles it then! You’re right, I’m wrong. Shouldn’t you be off sharpening a bayonet or something?

          • Drakken

            The chemicals your mixing in your beaker is doing funny things to you.

          • Drakken

            Thanks for the promotion but it is completely unnecessary, but thank you for the sentiment.

          • EarlyBird

            Well for a guy who’s up to what is it now…three Medals of Honor?…they should at least upgrade you from lance corporal.

          • Drakken

            Well sorry to say and disappoint you, but I was never awarded a CMH much less 3 of them. Hey you really need to get more oxygen to your brain housing group, that place your working at really is starting to affect your thought process.

          • Drakken

            You really are on a crack high ! Your wishful thinking and total ignorance of how the enemy thinks is absolutely effing mind boggling.

      • EarlyBird

        Really. “World Marxism.” How weird.

        • defcon 4

          How about worldwide caliphate? Does that sound better to you Ahmed?

  • Mladen_Andrijasevic

    I just do not understand what is going on in the US any more. How is it possible that Americans could not care less that their President is supporting the most anti-American and anti-Semitic organization there is? Is it out of ignorance? Fear? Apathy? What is going on? Here Barry Robin is trying his best to make it crystal clear yet no one seems to care!

    http://rubinreports.blogspot.co.il/2013/07/great-moments-in-us-diplomatic-history.html

    • 8ball

      America chose Obama over Romney. it doesn’t get more moronic than that.

      • AddisonDewitt

        and we will reap what we have sown sadly

      • Concerned

        Did the people choose Obama? Lot of people say they never voted for him. That the elections were rigged.

        • Bert

          I have read a number of articles showing that the Democrats stole many votes in 2012. I am not aware if anyone has put the entire story together to show that Democrat tricks amounted to a stolen election but I have a strong feeling that it was stolen and that Obama got away with it.

    • Rosasolis

      What IS going on with Pres. Obama and his corrupt government
      in America? Yesterday I watched the rapport from an Egyptian journalist,
      who spoke about the values of freedom for all people in Egypt. She
      spoke about the aggression from The Brotherhood against the Coptic Christians, whose religion is much older than the Islam in Egypt.
      She spoke about the plan the Brotherhood has to send Egypt centuries back to the middle-ages with enforcing their Sharia Law.
      She spoke about the attack against the church while her parents were
      attending a normal Sunday service. And that no girl or woman can now
      risk going anywhere without being covered from head to foot, in Islam
      “style”. Women can no longer go anywhere without a male chaperone.
      According to the Islam, women are 2nd. class citizens, and must obey
      their fathers or husbands…or face the “honour killing”.
      This Egyptian Journalist is very worried about the future for her
      country, and the entire Middle-east.

      • margaret388

        ALL AMERICANS SHOULD READ THE BOOKS OF ORIANA FALLACI . SHE DEDICATED HER ENTIRE LIFE TO FIGHT ISLAM AND ISLAMIC TERRORISTS. SHE WAS EVEN SHOT BY A TERRORIST. SHE IS DEAD NOW, SHE DIED OF CANCER, BUT I AM SURE YOU WILL FIND THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS EVIL AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS EVIL WHEN YOU READ HER BOOKS.

      • Nelly Saad

        I just want to clear out that thats not Islam… Thats the way the Muslim Brotherhood and other extremist interpret Islam and use it to gain power. Brainn washing the minds of illiterate youth in Egypt to get more votes and expand their group not only in Egypt but all over the world. And for some weird reason the Obama administration is encouraging it. We the Egyptians came out in the streets in millions to say “No, We don’t want the Muslim Brotherhood” but yet not only the Obama administration but the UK, and UN are angry with us that we are ousting a ‘democratically’ elected government. when did democracy become all about a ballot box? didn’t see how the ousted president Morsi gave himself dictatorship power to run this country?

        • Drakken

          Islam doing what it always does best, bloody borders and us infidels pay for it.

          • Nelly Saad

            Again not Islam but extremists … and trust me we muslims pay for it even more than you do. There are muslim societies that live under a tyrant Islamist rule that kill them everyday. But just because a fraction of Muslims are extremist (terrorists i would say) doesnt mean we all are. Hitler and his Nazi party were christians and they killed over 6 million jews that doesn’t give me the excuse to call christians evil. I just don’t like to generalise. Please understand that I’m defending not only a religion that i believe in but also a culture and a society that I am a part of and trust me I wouldnt even kill a fly because my religion taught me that no one can kill a soul even in wars you cant kill someone unless in self defence.

        • Rosasolis

          Dear Nelly Saad, my heart goes out to you and other
          supporters for a liberal government for Egypt. It is
          very sad, that the Islam Brotherhood could not do much
          for Egypt than to TRY to force the people to go backwards
          to the Middle-ages, and accept their interpretation of the
          very primitive and cruel Sharia law…..I wonder how many
          Islamic women were allowed by their husbands or fathers
          to vote last year? I hope that ALL Egyptians will be able to vote in your coming election,
          and I hope that there will be women amongst the
          ministers in your new government and also representatives from the Christian community.
          Personally I prefer the European democratic system of
          collective government parties, which we have here in
          Netherlands. When a government fails, then we plan
          a new election. New elections are always very expensive, but at least they are Democratic.

          • Nelly Saad

            Thanks Rosasolis for your kind words. we are working towards democracy with its really meaning and all aspects now. we will face a lot of obstacles still having the muslim brotherhood as a part of our society. what we can do now is improve education so that people wouldnt fall under their false pretences again.

          • Rosasolis

            Dear Nelly, thank you for replying so quickly. As a former

            student and musician I believe that the only way to

            democracy is for freedom for all people. Education is
            points the way to our future. If we are to have a future,
            then it is now time that all the countries of this world
            join together to promote educative studies over
            Democracy and Free-thinking.
            If you would like to correspond, you can reach me at:
            Rosasolis@kpnmail.nl

    • bj affordable

      One word: Illuminati.

      • defcon 4

        Were they the ones responsible for 9-11?

    • jon

      Read my reply to Poupic.
      Jon

    • AddisonDewitt

      For a vast majority of Americans this is attitude, ” Jihad ? what Jihad ? the shopping malls are still open “

      • Concerned

        Lol sad but true!

        • Concerned

          Then you also have the other part stockpiling weapons and learning survivalist skills. Preparing for the future if it has to come to a fight.

    • EarlyBird

      US law requires that we end our funding of Egypt should it be taken over by a military coup, which it was. We’ll see what happens.

      Please read my post above. Obama and all other Western leaders, are not pro-Muslim Brotherhood. They are pro-Egyptian democracy.
      Egyptians had to overthrow Mubarak the way they did, because they had not vote to do so. But they overthrew Morsi when they DID have democratic means – votes – to throw the bums out. What a spectacular thing it would have been if they had done so, rather than precipitated a coup.
      In many ways this is great for the MB. They don’t have to be responsible any more. And now that they’re back to being outlawed they can be the self-styled victims again.

      • Mladen_Andrijasevic

        You write “Obama and all other Western leaders, are not pro-Muslim Brotherhood. They are pro-Egyptian democracy.´ Pro- democracy, my foot. Helping the Muslim Brotherhood come to power is not being pro democracy. How can it be pro democracy when the credo of the Muslim Brotherhood is “”Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations.”

        Anyway, this is what Bernard Lewis wrote about the Arab Spring, from Reflections of a Middle East Historian – page 342

        “I am mistrustful and view with apprehension a genuine free election – assuming that such a thing could happen – because the religious parties have an immediate advantage. First, they have a network of communication through the preacher and mosque which no other political group can hope to equal. Second, they use, familiar, indigenous, language. The language of Western democracy is for the most part newly translated and the concepts are not readily intelligible to the general population. A dash towards Western-style elections, far from representing a solution to the region’s difficulties, constitutes a dangerous aggravation of the problem and I fear that radical Islamic movements are ready to exploit so misguided a move. In genuine fair and free elections, the Muslim parties are very likely to win. A much better course would be a gradual development of democracy, not through general elections, but rather through civil society and the strengthening of local institutions. For that, there is a real tradition in the region.”

        Besides, almost all of the Israeli analysts got it right and almost all of the American analysts got it wrong:

        Two years on – who was right on the Egyptian crisis?
        http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2012/12/two-years-on-who-was-right-on-egyptian.html

        The Muslim Brotherhood. Is this what Americans stand for?
        http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2012/11/the-muslim-brotherhood-is-this-what.html

        • EarlyBird

          Obama did not “help” the MB come to power; he simply accepted the reality of it. The Egyptian people and military ousted Mubarak, a tyrant. Obama hemmed and hawed a very long time and finally took sides with the Egyptian people in Tahrir Square once it was clear Mubarak could not last. That’s far different than actively helping Islamists take power.

          The US is a super power, but it doesn’t have super powers. It can’t, and shouldn’t try, to control every corner of the globe. Lewis would tell you that no person can stand against the forces of history.

          What would yours (or Lewis’) answer to the Egyptian people post-Mubarak have been? “Sorry kids, you’re too green to have elections and self government, and besides, we’re afraid you’ll choose a form or government for yourselves which we wouldn’t like.”

          And so what? Somehow physically deny them their right to vote? Truly consider: what other options does the US have (besides the leverage of our money)? I want answers.

          • Mladen_Andrijasevic

            You write “Obama did not “help” the MB come to power; he simply accepted the reality.” This statement is just inaccurate. I suggest you read what Andrew McCarthy, the former federal prosecutor who put the Blind Sheik behind bars in the first World Trade Center bombing, has to say how the Obama Administration helped the Muslim Brotherhood come to power in Egypt.

            http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2012/08/09/our-government-and-the-muslim-brotherhood-my-speech-in-washington/?singlepage=true

            • The State Department has an emissary in Egypt who trains operatives of the Brotherhood and other Islamist organizations in democracy procedures. We’re helping them get elected.

            • The State Department announced that the Obama administration would be “satisfied” with the election of a Muslim Brotherhood–dominated government in Egypt.

            • The State Department has collaborated with the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, a bloc of governments heavily influenced by the Brotherhood, in seeking to restrict American free-speech rights in deference to sharia prohibitions against examination and negative criticism of Islam.

          • Mladen_Andrijasevic

            You write “Obama did not “help” the MB come to power; he simply accepted the reality.” This statement is just inaccurate. I suggest you read what Andrew McCarthy, the former federal prosecutor who put the Blind Sheik behind bars in the first World Trade Center bombing, has to say how the Obama Administration helped the Muslim Brotherhood come to power in Egypt.

            http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2012/08/09/our-government-and-the-muslim-brotherhood-my-speech-in-washington/?singlepage=true

        • EarlyBird

          Mladen,

          I read your post on the split between American and Israeli analysis of what would come of the 2012 Egyptian elections. You had stated that Egypt would become part of the “Iranian-Islamist axis,” and then declared yourself to have been visionary.

          First of all, it did not become that. Morsi could barely hold onto his cabinet, let alone the military, economy or popular support needed to join this “axis.” He was a lame duck the moment he was sworn in. He was a very, very weak leader.

          Secondly, the question must be answered: in light of that enormous, historic and dramatic public demand for self government in Cairo two years ago, What. Was. The. US. Supposed. To. Do…if anything, physically, to prevent Egyptians from obtaining the elections they were demanding?

          I want a serious answer to that question. Otherwise you are merely complaining that the world is difficult and America is not magic.

          If you are saying that you wanted the US, in full view of the world, to help Mubarak and the military massacre countless Egyptians who were in the streets demanding self-government, then say it. Or otherwise offer a credible alternative to “allowing” Egyptians to determine their own fate.

      • Concerned

        We are also not suppose to give aid to anyone violating human rights. This does not stop Obama. He has sent money and arms to the Syrian FSA Rebels. He will fund anything and anyone who is of the Muslim Brotherhood.

        • EarlyBird

          That hasn’t stopped an modern American president in history from doing so. In many instances it was American presidents who were supplying weapons and money to those violators of human rights.

          • defcon 4

            “Violators of human rights” perfectly describes any and all of your islam0-nazi states in the here and now Mehmet.

      • Drakken

        In your little kumbaya singing little world, you think that a muslim country or dominated area can be ruled by democracy and everyone will hold hands and get along, you could not be more wrong, it takes a military ruler to keep the savages in their place otherwise you have a muslim cleric giving them bread and circuses, and telling the average muzzy how great it is to kill the infidel.

        • EarlyBird

          I think that Egypt can. And it’s not dominated by Islamist radicals, you idiot. Look at the news. They just got thrown out.

          Do I think Egypt, much like Turkey and Indonesia, is a Muslim country which can work within the confines of democracy, or some semblance of humane self government? Yes. And ultimately that’s the only answer for these nations. Because the other option is either absolute secular oppression or absolute Islamist oppression, neither which are permanent solutions.

          • Drakken

            Again your wishful thinking is getting in the way of your common sense. Either a muzzy country is either ruled by a secular strongman, or a islamaniac, there are no exceptions. Turkey and Indonesia are increasingly going Islamic, it is always inevitable that is goes that way.

          • EarlyBird

            There’s only so long you can keep a lid on a pressure cooker, General. And that’s what we’re seeing in the Arab world right now.

            Interesting that Muslim societies long dominated by secularists have been going more and more Islamist, while those long dominated by Islamists – Iran and Saudi Arabia for example – have been going more and more secular. Those governments have had to make secular adjustments to remain in power (e.g., SA allowing women to drive recently). Saudi and Iranian mullahs refer to a “secular problem” in the same way that secularists refer to a “Muslim problem.”

            Governance forces seriousness upon crazed ideologues if they want to remain in power. The MB couldn’t handle that. But even the next Egyptian government is going to have to deal with, and somehow integrate, the fact of Islamists in their midst.

          • Drakken

            Anyway you look at it, cut it, slice and dice the problem, islam will always be at war with itself and unite against us. I could give a rats ass less how so called secular forces try to go the secular route, they will always appease and please the clerics to stay Islamic.

          • defcon 4

            I’d like to see proof that women are allowed to drive, ALONE, in Soddy Barbaria Mehmet.

          • EarlyBird

            You wouldn’t accept proof if it bit you on your moonshine addled fat white a$$.

          • defcon 4

            Who said I was white Mehmet? I don’t notice you providing much in the way of proof either Mehmet, which is probably why you resorted to the time-honored, standard defense of islam0-nazism everywhere: the ad-hominem attack.

          • EarlyBird

            I’m sorry to call you names, Defcon. So let’s try this: your mother is stupid and ugly.

          • defcon 4

            May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits and pubes Mehmet.

          • Drakken

            Oh my that was RACIST!!!! You can’t do that! Your fellow minorities might have a case of the vapors.

    • Concerned

      It is ignorance. Most of the people do not even know. They are busy working from paycheck to paycheck to pay their bills and their credit debts. People are just now waking up to what is going on in the White House and learning about the Muslim Brotherhood. They have blindly put their trust in the government and now the government is corrupt. The ones who do know have been begging for impeachment, but no action is taken. The Federal, the Judiciary, and the Congress has been infiltrated.Obama does not obey the laws he is out of control and makes his own laws and takes his own actions. The American People just finished with a huge fight for the rights of keeping their arms and ammunition clips. If Obama had his way every citizen would be stripped of weapons and he would be crowned a King. People are furious with all of his scandals and his spying invading everyone’s privacy. When the people, the citizens stand up and protest and speak out then we are labeled far-right, ignorant, racists, accused of hate speech, and Islamophobias. A lot of people hate Obama so much they will not even address him by title of President. He is Anti-American and stripping what freedoms he can as quickly as he can. He has been replacing our military leaders. Sending our loyal soldiers overseas away from home. Our soldiers have even been asked the question would they fire upon their own people in the U.S. and getting fired/demoted when saying no they would not. There are so many problems in America right now. So many people were happy for Egypt with their revolution and also celebrated for them. There is talk in the States the people should follow Egypt’s steps they have shown the path and we should walk like the Egyptians! Peace be upon you!

    • John Edward Coleman

      As an American Citizen ! { Born here , Die here } I have tried on more than a few times , to make it clear for all who may read English :

      Obama is without any doubt ! just a pawn in ;

      The Most Diabolical Scheme ever know to Mankind !

      Can you read this NOW ??

      • EarlyBird

        Hysterical much, John?

        • defcon 4

          Lie much Mehmet?

          • Drakken

            I call it hadji, or if from Somalia, skinny.

        • John Edward Coleman

          Mr Bird, as usual ! I have no #*%@ ing idea what you are trying to say ! ???

          • EarlyBird

            John, I know that this is hysterical:

            “Obama is without any doubt ! just a pawn in ;
            The Most Diabolical Scheme ever know to Mankind !”

          • John Edward Coleman

            Mr. Bird,
            I too, am known as a BIRD ” The Old Green Bird
            ” { as in 1997 T } 175,000 miles & counting !!

            Many years ago , there was another Early Bird and she was a Charter Boat at my Marina on Hatteras Island , NC.
            Her Captain ” Emory D ” has become a legend as well !
            He shared many great facts about fishing and most of all,
            Humility and the blessings of life with it !

            Therefore , I ask your forgiveness if I offended !

            John C.
            aka; The Old Green Bird

  • Conniption Fitz

    Obama has the ace in the hole: George Soros Voting Machines.
    Here his thugs used those and a dozen other means to commit election/voter fraud.

    • AddisonDewitt

      eaxactly–and we may never see another Republican President in our lifetime

      • defcon 4

        Like Stalin is reputed to have said: “I don’t care who you vote for as long as I get to count the votes.”

      • EarlyBird

        Oh, I expect we’ll see a Republican in 2016. It’s not the end of the republic, guys. Stop with the hysteria.

        • OfficialPro

          Not if all the illegal immigrants get away with voting democrat in exchange for a mess of pottage and their soul.

          • Concerned

            We have about 20 million or more illegal immigrants in this country. Quite a few of them are Islamist who have camped over in Mexico learning Spanish then crossing over the border into America posing as Mexicans. Obama wants the amnesty bill so he can make the fanatics who sneaked over the border legal. Increasing our country with even more radicals and martyrs.

          • EarlyBird

            “Quite a few of them are Islamist who have camped over in Mexico…”

            Dear, where do you get your news?

        • Concerned

          Are you so sure about that? Already there are rumors that Obama is going to try to extend his Presidency term. To change the law to accomodate himself staying in power!

          • EarlyBird

            Oh, there are rumors that he commits child sacrifice in the basement of the White House while Michelle ululates to Mohammed. Rumors created by insane people don’t count.

          • defcon 4

            Except when your fellow islam0-nazis attribute all islamic ills to Jews and “Zionists” right?

        • defcon 4

          Yeah and islam0-nazism is all just one big conspiracy theory isn’t it Ahmed?

  • HaLeviSHmuel

    This comes in from the swamp. We live near the administration’s activities locations. The Russians secured Syria for themselves, Iran is just an after taught and could at any time do the same in Egypt, Suez Canal included.

  • John Edward Coleman

    He “OBAMA ” has damn near pulled it off !
    O-B-A-M-A Obama Bullshits American Masses Again !
    The masses being , demo-krauts for Jihad ! Hiel Obama !

  • John Edward Coleman

    News Flash !! Brotherhood purchases 7-11 stores all over the US !

    Coming to a corner near you , open 24 Hrs >> Mini Mosque

    Oh ! Thank Aliah for 7-11 !

  • Mari

    also regarding the brotherhood: “Members of the brotherhood counseled a young Osama bin Laden in Saudi Arabia, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the architect of the Sept. 11 attacks, was a member of the Brotherhood before joining al-Qaeda. Ayman al Zawahiri, the current al-Qaeda leader, also was a member!”

  • DebRollin

    Know this, there are demonic forces at work. Daniel chapter 10 contains an unusual prophecy about the Prince of Persia, the demon behind the Iranian forces. There is a demon behind the power of every country constantly working to influence human leaders and evil groups, in certain directions, just as there are angelic forces trying to influence them in another direction. There is really a devil, and he is the cause of the crises that transpire men on the planet. Wars and Rumors of War are here.

    • AddisonDewitt

      indeed…and the American President is under demonic influence…

      • EarlyBird

        If you really believe that, Addison, then shoot him and go to heaven.
        When I read such absurd, overblown, breathless hyperbole about our country having been taken over by a “World Marxist Islamist Devil,” then the question must be begged: If you really believe this hysterical nonsense, then why not assassinate him?

        • OfficialPro

          World marxist devils are difficult to eliminate.

        • Drakken

          Hey you voted for your messiah, TWICE!

          • EarlyBird

            Much to your everlasting shame, you voted for McCain-Palin. Your vote for Romney was okay with me.

          • OfficialPro

            Only because mc.cain french fries is a RINO

        • jobiwan

          “Shoot him and go to heaven” That is in the Quran. You sound like an inslamist. The Holy bible says to “turn the other Cheek”. Never does the Holy Bible talk about killing all non beleivers.

          • EarlyBird

            Yeah, you got me! I’m an Islamist! And a…Marxist and a…homosexual and a Soviet spy and a… left hander!

          • defcon 4

            The fact you never criticise islam writes volumes Mehmet, as do your constant lies, evasions and apologism for islam0-nazism

          • EarlyBird

            I hate Islam. I believe it is a rancid religion. I also hate ignorant xenophobes like you who see everything through the prism of Fox and Limbaugh and hysterical right wing propaganda and believe they are fighting the good fight. You’re an idiot. And since idiots like you abound on this propaganda site, I fight you, not Muslims.

          • defcon 4

            You don’t fight muslimes because you’re one of them and a liar to boot.

          • EarlyBird

            Gee, you saw right through me! And some how you know my name is “Mehmet!” Gosh you’re a warrior for Western civilization.

          • defcon 4

            And you’re a transparent lying muslime swine, but who am I to complain?

          • Drakken

            Your welcome! Us 1st worlders from Europe brought you everything you enjoy today.

          • OfficialPro

            You might, you know, try LISTENING to Limbaugh, instead of accepting what lying/distorting left wing parrots say about him…

          • EarlyBird

            I used to be a very regular listener of Limbaugh and a fairly often viewer of Fox. In Limbaugh’s early days he was an important voice. Now he is nothing but a bomb thrower who propagandizes for the Republican Party. No thanks.

  • montbrun

    If Cato would resuscitate, I believe he would be addressing the US Congress asking it QUOQUE TANDEM, OBAMA, ABUTERE PAGTIENTIA NOSTRA????
    and force our Congress parasites to take action on the Muslim lover sorcerer
    apprentice elected and reelected by unions, liberals and morons of the USA….
    Granted : US foreign policy has been traditionally dictated by the President but
    neither that bald nor with two wigs either, all Presidents BUT THIS ONE
    endeavored to get the blessing of Congress and it is no secret which feet do Obamba’s “advisors” limp of…..
    And yes, I believe it is time to stop him before he achieves his goal of burying
    this country.
    IMPEACH HIM NOW….!!!!

  • Tut Ankh Amon
    • Gee

      He supports all Islamic terrorism everywhere

  • 20pizzapies

    The US is supporting the Egyptian Military , and has defacto for the past 40 years ever since Nasser croaked . Forget plan A or B . The plan is to NOT TAKE SIDES , BE AGAINST THE VIOLENCE , and provide lip service acceptable to either side , whichever may come out on top . All the while KNOWING , that it is the Military that is REALKLY calling the shots .
    This “Plan B ” stuff is nothing more than conjecture on your part David . Neither you nor I are privy to what Hagel or Kerry are doing behind the scenes nor what public statements are meant to project as far as base policy . My nephew is a Lt.Colonel in the USAF and stationed in Egypt for the past 6 years , and it is widely known and accepted amongst our own Military that our only friend in Egypt IS the military and for obvious reasons , that is not displayed in public as underlying policy .

    • hatsylady

      The article was written by Daniel Greenfield, not David Horowitz

      • 20pizzapies

        you are correct , shoulda been Daniel

    • defcon 4

      Obama is supporting the Egyptian military? Wow, you wouldn’t know it by his actions, words or deeds. Isn’t Obama unfortunately the de-facto commander-in-chief of the US military?

      • 20pizzapies

        Nope , by the 1.5 billion in aide . And yup he is C.I.C.

  • Marridge

    The left thought they voted for liberalism. What they (and we) will get instead is Sunni Islam foisted upon us by their beloved president because that was his intent all along. And what Islam hates more than anything else is Christianity and Judaism. Do the math and get ready. He will import millions of displaced Egyptians and possibly Syrians as well. Voila. Mission accomplished, islam will reign in the US.

    • defcon 4

      If and when islam0-nazism comes to power, the amoral leftards will stampede to convert to islam, because all religions are the same — at least in their dull minds.

    • Concerned

      What do you mean possibly the Syrians? He already has Syrians, Nigerians, Somalians, ect. here and pressing for more to be sent here. One of the most important bills that need to not pass right now is the amnesty bill! He has became the immigration safe haven for the Muslim Brotherhood!

  • itaintmojo

    Even Obama isn’t stupid enough to try and help the MB back in. He has no friends left there.

    Egyptians who do not want to be forced to adhere to Sharia, will be right back on the streets for a 3rd Spring, or as many Springs as it takes. There must be at least 20 million Egyptians who do not want to live Sharia. They aren’t even asking to ban Sharia. They just want the right not to adhere to it themselves.

    If the MB gets back in, they will have to murder all who oppose Sharia or find another way to silence them. The MB want EVERYONE to live their Sharia way, being as radical as they are. If Egyptians don’t kill or expel them all, they will never be free. Already people are dieing there everyday in clashes. Civil war is what it looks like. It could be 10 times worse for Egypt, then it has been for Syria.

    • Gee

      Odumba is already attempting to force the Muslim Brotherhood back on the Egyptian people. His plans include the entire region being totally Islamists.

      Hence his support of Erdogan even though it now looks like NATO will be kicking Turkey out.

    • glpage

      I’m not sure your first sentence is accurate. Obama very rarely does anything other than continue to confirm he is a complete dolt when it comes to foreign policy.

      • itaintmojo

        Yes, you have a point there, there. Obummer IS stupid period. I did throw in the word “enough”, because I wasn’t quite sure how stupid he is. Of course Obominable keeps doing one stupid thing after another, so I should have had a good idea by now, just how stupid Odismal really is. But the POTUS rooting for the MB?? The POTUS gritting his teeth at Morsi, and the MB being ousted??? These are heightened levels of stupidity.

    • Drakken

      Let these islamaniacs kill each other, the more the merrier. The MB isn’t going to go anywhere but straight to jihad, then let their military brutally put them down.

      • itaintmojo

        Islamaniacs yes, but from what i can see there are at least 20 million people in Egypt who do not want tobe forced to mosque. They are aware that in North America people are not persecuted with violence for not going to church. The Muslim Brotherhood is evil. They will destroy anything that is not Sharia Law. Those are the maniacs. The killers and destroyers. The MB, Hezbollah, Hamas, Half of Iran, Most of Pakistan. Anyone Sharia law Govt will violently destroy anything non Sharia within their territory. There needs to be a freezing cold war towards Sharia. Obominable picked the MB. Oil still counts big. So Sharia is appeased. Shame on all the American presidents of my lifetime, all of them, allowing such a vial ideology to be enforced on people. Sharia is way worse than communism.

        • defcon 4

          Yes freedom for muslimes, persecution for everyone else.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Anyone or any entity that believes democracy, freedom, and liberty are a possibility in the Islamic Middle East should be strapped up in a straight jacket and locked up in a mental ward, and that includes America’s foreign policy and foreign policy officials.

    Hence, what should America’s foreign policy be? It should be the complete abandonment and isolation of the Islamic world. Further, what should America’s domestic policy be? It should be to first outlaw Islam and then to ban and reverse mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage ASAP. Indeed, Islam is a very aggressive and destructive totalitarian cult and America should cease all interaction with Islam and Muslims ASAP in the interest of preserving America and protecting the American people.

    • EarlyBird

      So how does “the Islamic Middle East” square with Egypt? The overthrow of Mubarak was conducted by a very, very wide cross section of Egyptians, not all radical Islamists. The MB was a relatively small part of that movement, and by no means dominated it. (They were able to win the elections because they were the only organized body among the vast Mubarak opposition.)

      The same people overthrew Morsi, the main reason being that he wanted to replace much of the constitution with Islamic law. Great, right?

      Well, no. Sadly, it wasn’t the MB which “proved” to be incapable of real democracy – we all knew that already – but that wide swath of Egyptians,l the once-Mubarak, now-Morsi opposition which proved it. They traded their votes in the next election for a coup and a possible civil war.

      Now the MB will hold the bloody shirt: “We finally got into power democratically, and we were thrown out and into prison and we got a military coup!” It’s a tragedy for the country.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        So how does “the Islamic Middle East” square with Egypt?

        Egypt is the most populous Muslim country in the Middle East. Thus it is the heart and soul of “the Islamic Middle East.”

        The overthrow of Mubarak was conducted by a very, very wide cross section of Egyptians, not all radical Islamists.

        Actually, Obama and his cronies engineered the overthrow of Mubarak. Not to mention that the existence of so-called radical Muslims, just like the existence of so-called moderate Muslims is a complete and utter farce, because neither one exist at least in reality. In Islam all Muslims are jihadists in one form or another, otherwise they are blasphemous apostates that per the texts and tenets of Islam must be executed.

        The MB was a relatively small part of that movement, and by no means dominated it.
        (They were able to win the elections because they were the only organized body among the vast Mubarak opposition.)

        The outcome of the elections was exactly what Obama and his cronies expected and hoped for.

        The same people overthrew Morsi, the main reason being that he wanted to replace much of the constitution with Islamic law. Great, right?

        What are you smoking? Morsi was ousted by the Egyptian military.

        Well, no. Sadly, it wasn’t the MB which “proved” Egyptians were incapable of democracy – we all knew that already – but that wide swath of once-Mubarak oppostion-cum-Morsi opposition which proved it. They foresook their votes in the next election for mere br utal power.

        Egypt is a hopeless basket case. About 75 percent of the population are Muslims and the other 25 percent are hardcore delusional leftists, and the only thing they agree on is they both hate Jews and Israel. Furthermore, the only reason that the 25 percent of the delusional leftists even exist in Egypt today is because of Mubarak. If Morsi had been able to remain in power, that 25 percent would have certainly been crushed, as had happened in Iran after Ayatollah Khomeini robbed the revolution from them, then subsequently massacred them. Leftists are always perpetual gullible useful idiots.

        What the US should do? It should outlaw Islam and then ban and reverse mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage ASAP because it is really stealth jihad for the purpose demographic conquest. Next, it should abandon and isolate the Islamic world, as only via interaction with the Islamic world can they possibly harm us.

        • EarlyBird

          “Egypt is the most populous Muslim country in the Middle East. Thus it is…”

          I get the geography. But your implication was that Egypt is a monolithically Islamist extremist society which couldn’t be more obviously wrong. Why do you think Egyptians were angry at Morsi, because he wasn’t extremist enough?

          “Actually, Obama and his cronies engineered the overthrow of Mubarak.”

          Please send me some believeable links to some believeable press that states that he was in cahoots with Morsi and worked to overthrow Mubarak and replace him with the MB. Because that is your statement. Oh, did Washington attempt to keep relations with Egypt under Morsi and work to help him understand something about democracy? Of course.

          “Not to mention that the existence of so-called radical Muslims, just like the existence of so-called moderate Muslims is a complete and utter farce…”

          Oh, here we go: the existence of every single of the world’s 1.8 billion Muslims is an active threat to Western civilization, and there is no other answer than to treat them like a disease.

          “What are you smoking? Morsi was ousted by the Egyptian military.”

          Well, duh… Because literally an estimated 1,000,000+ Egyptians were out in the streets demanding Morsi’s removal. The military ousted Mubarak, too. The military has always been the real power there.

          You, one of the three sane people on this site, actually wrote this:

          “What the US should do? It should outlaw Islam…”

          Unf***ing believeable. On its face this statement is an indictment of any pretense you have as a liberty loving democrat. Amazing. Yeah, that Constitution is all fine and dandy until we have real work to do, huh?

          • defcon 4

            Which muslime states don’t persecute people of other states Farshad? Because if the majority of muslimes are nice, tolerant, good people, then why are most of them either complicit or indifferent to the fact that all their muslime states persecute people of other faiths?

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Seek mental help for your severe mental disease.

      • defcon 4

        LOL, yeah what a tragedy, except for Egypt’s Coptic Christians, whose only tragedy is living in an islam0-nazi state.

        • Guest

          you americans are soo ignorant,there is no black and white here,those who think that egypt is only muslims and christians really needs a reality check,egypt has other religions along with a growing population of non-theistts (agnostics, atheists,…),even the muslims are many factions,so if you think that egypt deserves what happens to it coz the majority are muslims,although the same muslims are trying now to overthrow the islamic law while your country is supporting it,then there must be something wrong in your way of thinking

          • defcon 4

            The only thing “wrong in my way of thinking” is that I don’t subscribe to your genocidal, Jew hating death cult Mehmet.

        • Mai

          you americans are soo ignorant,there is no black and white here,those who think that egypt is only muslims and christians really need a reality check,egypt has other religions, along with a growing population of non-theists (agnostics, atheists,…),even muslims are divided to many factions,so if you think that egypt deserves what happens to it from islamists coz the majority is muslims,although these same muslims now are trying to overthrow the islamic law and rejecting it while your country is supporting it,then there must be something wrong with your minds

          • defcon 4

            Tell it to the Jews who used to live in Egypt. Tell it to the Coptic Christians who are being murdered, raped, kidnapped and forcibly converted to islam. So sorry Mehmet, but I’ve met Egyptian Jews as well as Coptic Christians, somehow they don’t buy into your “moderate”
            islam0-nazism.

          • EarlyBird

            Mai, not all Americans are the kinds of ignorant xenophobes you see on this site. To them, if you live in the Middle East – except for Israel – you are simply a barbarian who must be destroyed or allowed to destroy themselves.

          • defcon 4

            LOL, for an islam0-nazi to accuse anyone of xenophobia is laughable asshat. Whenever an islam0-nazi points the finger of accusation, a thousand fingers point back at him and islam.

          • Drakken

            Funny that you are not there to embrace and teach them democracy and sing a little kumbaya while your at it. Yeah that’ll work.

  • Sarah Elbatanouny

    but why does he want to do that ?

  • Samir Rauf

    Finally the voice of reason. As an American of Egyptian origin, I am completely shocked by the administration’s policies. The Muslim brotherhood does not represent American principles, nor does it offer a reliable long term strategic alliance. At the same time, Egyptians are showing their rejection of Islamist agenda. They ought to be helped not punished.

    • EarlyBird

      Samir, a military coup took out a legitimately elected leader, when a legitimate electoral process was available to Egyptians. (It was not available to Egyptians when Mubarak was still in power.)

      Egypt gave up on its nascent democracy, when instead it could have demanded early elections and voted the MB out of town. What a tragedy. Now the MB gets to play the victim again, be the radicals again, rather than the ones who have to actually figure out how to responsibly run a country.

      What a wonderful vision it would have been for Islamist radicals to be voted out at the ballot box.

      • Samir Rauf

        EarlyBird,
        The people demanded early elections prior to and during the protests but Morsi refused to listen. Since the constitution is deeply flawed (without impeachment proceedings among other things) the Army really had no choice but to remove him.

      • OfficialPro

        Hitler was “legitimately elected” too, you know.

        The important part isn’t that he was elected. It’s that he took an axe to Egypt’s rule of Law, Constitution, and whatever rights Mubarak let anybody have.

        • defcon 4

          Hitler was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg.

        • EarlyBird

          The tragedy is that the extremists, who had forever been on the outside, bomb throwers both literally and figuratively, had been in effect co-opted by a democratic process. It would have been a much better experience for Egypt to throw those bums out via another election, and they could not then say, as they are today, “we were robbed! we are victims!” In fact, it would have been an example of Islamists coming to power, failing miserably, and being rejected wholesale.
          Oh, is it better that they are out one way or another rather than staying in power and installing Sharia? Yes. But that was never, ever going to happen.

          • defcon 4

            “The extremists, who had forever been on the outside”, yet strangely have no problems receiving funding from “moderate” islam0-nazis for their continued, bloody worldwide jihad.

          • OfficialPro

            That’s not a thing that can happen when the illiterate voting masses are believing the MB’s line of bread and circuses (or possible ballot stuffing).

          • EarlyBird

            I should have mentioned that neither the overthrow of Mubarak or Morsi were genuine “revolutions” given that in all instances the military is the one who fundamentally governs. I think we ought to just pull the plug on any money we give them. They don’t deserve it and Israel can take care of herself now.

  • tokoloshiman

    Whatever happens , continual unrest, strife and mayhem will ensue for years to come with more death and destruction in Egypt.
    The antagonists cannot live peacefully side by side mainly because sharia does not include true democracy, which is really anathema to all islamic theocratic
    fundamentalist type regimes.
    Added to the brotherhood’s incompetence is the inability to accommodate
    secular life.
    Obama and his lefty cronies, having openly embraced and endorsed the MB, are now going to be more gung ho to see that they are not made bigger fools of , so they will use whatever means to reestablish the MB regardless of the dire split that divides them naturally.
    Once again under Obama America is meddling and doing the wrong thing , but unlike Bush , Obummer will not be castigated and derided for his actions, he will be lauded by his sycophants and drooled over by the press instead.
    Money, and the threat of withholding it is a powerful tool and the easiest to resort to.
    This undoubtedly proves obummer’s leanings for radical islam and sharia.
    His agenda for the USA is clear too.

    • AddisonDewitt

      Bush was not trying to empower our enemies, Obama is , purposely.

      • tokoloshiman

        agreed.

  • SurlyJinx

    You people are insane. And you’ve clearly not been to Egypt in the last few years.

    The Muslim Brotherhood won three elections–for the presidency, for the parliament, and for the ratification of the constitution. You may not like them. I may not like them. But how is it good policy for the leader of the world’s greatest democracy to advocate the overthrowing of the first freely elected leader in the history of the largest Arab nation?

    To claim that Obama is a secret supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood because the US will not support the violent overthrow of an elected leader is like saying George W. Bush was a secret Shiite doing the bidding of the Iranian Ayatollahs because he supported Maliki’s elected government in Baghdad. It’s stupid. More than stupid. It’s aggressively stupid.

    • AddisonDewitt

      Obama has Muslim Brotherhood in his admin. and they visit the White House frequently, he is united with them in their agenda

    • OfficialPro

      that’s because they were stupid enough to un-ban them.

    • Canuck

      Congratulations. You’re the only commenter on this article who isn’t a deranged partisan half-wit spewing a lot of nonsense into a far right echo chamber.

      • defcon 4

        The “far right” being anyone not on board w/islam0_nazism eh Mehmet?

        • Canuck

          The “far right” ( I consider myself an economic conservative ) being people pushing ridiculous over the top smears… just like the left wing idiots did to Bush.

          (Nazi comparisons etc.)

    • defcon 4

      “Freely elected” eh? Yeah, in the same way the zero was “re-elected”.

  • Omar

    Where is Boehner. Stop funding this insanity now. Leave Egypt alone. The military is well suited to keep Egypt running without conflict. There are o real elections, only what bho wants.

  • margaret388

    BARAQUITO SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPEACHED YEARS AGO FOR DOING WITHOUT THE CONSTITUTION ON ALL HIS NEW LAWS AND APPOINTMENTS OF ALL OF HIS COMMUNIST CRONIES.

  • Adnan Hisham Omar

    guys i am egyptian and i tell you..what obama is doing in egypt by being ally with brotherhood will make the world hate you more…up to obamas ass that brotherhood will not rule egypt…by bunch of murderers..and killers…instead of paying billions to jihadist to kill egyptians by your peoples money give it to the homeless and poor in usa…get ur nose out of egypt..whats in egypt is not a coup its our will and we support our army and we are the people..

  • Mohab A Mansour

    i’m an egyptian and i’d like to tell you that you’re absolutely right,
    and to add to your information that the muslim brotherhood now are
    calling for the help of el zawahiri to bring morsi back, and he him self
    threatened the Egyptian people that he might use violence. besides the
    killers of the late president anwar elsaddat are protesting to bring
    morsi back. it’s quite obvious that they are supporting terrorism and
    with obama by their side he’s doing the same thing.

  • Mamado Jevera

    IN 2011 we, millions of CIVILIAN EGYPTIANS & powered by our mighty army brought down Mubarak, the number 1 friend of USA.
    In 2013, we millions of CIVILIAN EGYPTIANS & powered by our mighty army brought down the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood, and messed up Obama’s Plan A.

    On behalf of millions, we are ready to destroy Plan B, C till Z. Egypt is not a playground & no1 can withstand the power of united millions. So good luck with whatever plan you have

  • Alfawoui Wael

    A message to the U.S. administration:
    We Egyptians adore
    modern American civilization, and respect of the American people and
    mourned the United States quite keen to maintain allied interests and
    the protection of the State of Israel. But in order to verify your
    interests must in return you to take a new approach concerned with
    correcting the path of your policy of State, which took a turn against
    the wishes of the people that are seeking about real democracy and
    achieve a decent life and to stop supporting dictatorships in the world
    and stop supporting terrorism and organized crime and must be consistent
    political approach with What applied to the earth or be separate and
    not reduced in the Statue of Liberty, Freedom only and not to take human
    rights approaches to fight the sword of the actual human rights and
    destabilize peoples and nations … That you want respect, you must
    respect others, I will not talk about political double standards that
    have brought you to what looks like a chronic disease rather than
    political in America towards the Palestinian cause but extended to what
    is the deepest and most dangerous in the support in the areas of
    terrorism and fight them in other areas.
    Mr. Obama
    please stand bravely in front of the American people and apologize to
    them what America committed in the right of an abuse of European Union
    countries in espionage cases …..And apologize to taxpayers for wasting
    their money to finance terrorism, which killed the sons America such as
    the killing ambassador to the United States in Libya and the bombing of
    Boston and others, to apologize for the negative outlook, which looks a
    lot of peoples of the earth toward America, you must be declared to
    your people for your failure in the management policy U.S. State
    Department, which brought the governments and peoples around the world
    have to deal with you cautious and prudent and not as friends, you have
    to apologize to participate and contribute to the liquefaction of the
    blood of innocents in Libya, Syria, Yemen and Egypt in order to achieve
    the interests of see you alone in the interest of the United States ….
    And that could have been achieved good relations … You hurt the
    United States more than it hurt Mr. George W. Bush because he was at
    least more than you clearly and explicitly …In the end, you should be
    aware that countries which have in depth history civilizations such as
    Egypt are always given lessons.

    • 20pizzapies

      A message to YOU . Don’t worry about the US , but take care of your own business .

    • defcon 4

      Strongman eh? Happy eternal Nakba islam0-nazi.

  • Sohair Hakim

    OBAMA, we do not need neither your investements nor your money…we are far from being under anybody’s pressure…apparently you have no idea of the power of the Egyptians…we shawed it to you when we went in the streets to mark one of the most phenomenal demonstration to mankind: 33 millions in one day were in the streets..TAKE YOUR HANDS OFF EGYPT, or else , as we ousted Morsi the corrupeted , we will oust you too.Where are the 8 billion dollars you gave to el Shater to support the MB plans??????? your days are counting down OBAMA

    • EarlyBird

      Sohair, sadly, Egypt does need American money. And we don’t “oust” legitimately elected leaders here, we vote them out when the next election comes around if we don’t like them.
      Obama was right to “allow” Egyptians to overthrow Mubarak since at the time Egyptians had no democratic means of doing so. He was right to continue paying money to Egypt under our agreement in place since ’79, even though Morsi was foul, since he was legitimately elected.
      Obama should have done a lot more to pressure Morsi to be a good leader.

      Nonetheless, it’s sad that Egypt has chosen to overthrow Morsi when it could have voted him out in a number of months, again using a legitimate, democratic tool of elections. It is tragic that a military coup has taken the place of voting in Egypt, since now Egyptians have votes at their disposal.

      I wish you and all of Egypt the best in these trying times.

  • OfficialPro

    Maybe he thinks it’s pro-black because it’s the Brotherhood?

  • EarlyBird

    More propaganda and lies from Goebbels Greenfield. Here are the facts:

    a.) Because there was no democratic process available to Egyptians, and because there was an enormous, broad and popular uprising against the dictator Mubarak – which included, but which by no means was dominated by, the Muslim Brotherhood – the military removed Mubarak, called for elections and a new constitution. In a very tight spot as a major ally but being pro-democracy, and seeing that Mubarak’s fall was inevitable, Obama chose not to help Mubarak violently crush Egyptians’ popular demand for representative government.

    b.) Legitimate and fair elections took place and they were won by the Muslim Brotherhood. Though outlawed for decades, they still factually existed and had an organization, infrastructure and representatives which made them far better prepared to win than the rest of the fractured opposition to Mubarak.

    c.) The Muslim Brotherhood, being Islamist radicals and completely green when it comes to actually governing, failed in every way: not only did they continue to run the economy off the cliff, but attempted to replace parts of the constitution with Islamist law, and failed to reach out and build coalition that could work, all which enraged the average Egyptian.

    ***

    d.) Fed up with the MB, that same broad cross-section of Egyptians (see item a) took to the streets and demanded Morsi’s ouster. Sadly, the military pushed him out with a coup. Why is it sad that a hated, incompetent and undemocratic leader was pushed out via a coup at the popular urging of the people? Because by this time there WERE democratic means to remove the MB at their disposal, i.e., elections. It would have been far, far better if the Egyptians had waited and voted the MB out, rather than the military pushing them out, arresting them. Now the MB gets to be the put-upon “victims” once again, rather than merely failed leaders who were booted out democratically.

    *** Obama failed to put far more pressure on Morsi to keep the constitution intact, but Morsi would do anything contradictory to the US to avoid looking like a puppet.

    • defcon 4

      Um, what became of Egypt’s formerly large and prosperous Jewish population again Mehmet? What’s happening to Egypt’s Coptic Christian population in the here and now? And this is all your idea of democracy eh?

  • aggreen1

    “The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible.” –George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796

  • EarlyBird

    Goebbels Greenfield strikes again. Don’t be fooled. Here are the facts:

    1.) A year or more ago a very wide cross section of Egyptians – including but by no means dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood – demanded an end to the Mubarak dictatorship. They had no democratic means at their disposal to oust Mubarak other than such a massive uprising. The military therefore got rid of Mubarak and called for elections and a new constitution. Obama was in a tight spot, being the leader of a key ally of Egypt and being pro-democracy. Seeing that Mubarak’s demise was inevitable, he chose not to help Mubarak massacre Egyptians in the streets for demanding self government.

    2.) The Muslim Brotherhood won in free and fair elections. Though they were outlawed for decades, they still existed and had the infrastructure, organization and representatives necessary to win the election, which other parts of the fractured opposition did not.

    3.) Because they are Islamist radicals, completely new to governance and allergic to power sharing, the MB replaced parts of the constitution with Islamic law, failed to create any coalition with the rest of the country, and continued to run the economy into the ground, enraging most Egyptians.

    4.) Sadly, the Egyptians had another uprising, and the military once again stepped in and removed a leader via a coup. Obama and other world leaders who don’t like the MB see this as a tragedy.

    Why is it tragic that a radical, incompetent Muslim Brotherhood was ousted in this manner:

    a.) Because at this time Egyptians HAD democratic means at their disposal to get rid of these idiots, by way of elections, and they chose undemocratic means to change leadership;

    b.) What a fantastic opportunity was missed, to hold on until the next elections and drum these Muslim Brotherhood fanatics out of office peacefully and democratically with the power of the ballot;

    c.) Because now the MB can go back to being radical outsiders and self-styled victims, outlawed again from taking part in the political process and not having to be responsible for governing anything;

    d.) Rather than becoming some nascent democracy, Egypt is likely now to go through these endless cycles of “the street” demanding a new government, the military taking over and another new government being installed which then gets ousted violently
    .
    *** All assuming that we’re not seeing the beginning of a civil war in Egypt.

    • defcon 4

      Kinda sick that an islam0fascist compares Greenfield to a nazi — considering the fact the nazis probably killed members of Greenfield’s family

  • Christina Carruthers

    hopefully this is his last term in office and the usa will get a president who does not support the muslim brotherhood..that time could not come fast enough

    • EarlyBird

      The US Constitution only allows the US president to serve two terms. This will be his last.

      • Drakken

        The damage this vile administration has done will take a generation to come anywhere close to fixing.

  • EarlyBird

    Don’t be fooled. Here are the facts:

    1.) A year or more ago a very wide cross section of Egyptians – including but by no means dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood – demanded an end to the Mubarak dictatorship. They had no democratic means at their disposal to oust Mubarak other than such a massive uprising. The military therefore got rid of Mubarak and called for elections and a new constitution. Obama was in a tight spot, being the leader of a key ally of Egypt and being pro-democracy. Seeing that Mubarak’s demise was inevitable, he chose not to help Mubarak massacre Egyptians in the streets for demanding self government.

    2.) The Muslim Brotherhood won in free and fair elections. Though they were outlawed for decades, they still existed and had the infrastructure, organization and representatives necessary to win the election, which other parts of the fractured opposition did not.

    3.) Because they are Islamist radicals, completely new to governance and allergic to power sharing, the MB replaced parts of the constitution with Islamic law, failed to create any coalition with the rest of the country, and continued to run the economy into the ground, enraging most Egyptians.

    4.) Sadly, the Egyptians had another uprising, and the military once again stepped in and removed a leader via a coup. Obama and other world leaders who don’t like the MB see this as a tragedy.

    Why is it tragic that a radical, incompetent Muslim Brotherhood was ousted in this manner?
    a.) Because at this time Egyptians HAD democratic means at their disposal to get rid of these idiots, by way of elections, and they chose undemocratic means to change leadership;

    b.) What a fantastic opportunity was missed, to hold on until the next elections and drum these Muslim Brotherhood fanatics out of office peacefully and democratically with the power of the ballot;

    c.) Because now the MB can go back to being radical outsiders and self-styled victims, outlawed again from taking part in the political process and not having to be responsible for governing anything;

    d.) Rather than becoming some nascent democracy, Egypt is likely now to go through these endless cycles of “the street” demanding a new government, the military taking over and another new government being installed which then gets ousted violently
    .
    *** All assuming that we’re not seeing the beginning of a civil war in Egypt.

  • Scott.park

    Someone sold their soul.

  • PXXAT5

    It does not matter what Obama and the American Government want.
    In order to have an Arab country with total Sharia Law, you must have
    wealth in the ground, OIL or some other wealth creating factor. Like
    Iran and Saudi Arabia.

    Egypt is a country with neither, it depends on tourism, selling trinkets
    and tours of the pyramids, selling novelties and catering to foreign
    travelers in its hotels, restaurants and taxi services Pampering
    Beach goers at its Red Sea resorts. By killing and driving out the
    Coptic Christians they limited the country ability to service the
    foreign tourist. The Copts did the secular jobs the Sharia followers
    could not

    Under Sharia Law , men and women can not fraternize, drink dance and dress
    scantily, all the things that employ people are not allowed under
    Sharia Law, thus no tourist, no foreign exchange, high unemployment,
    food shortages,

    If Egypt is to survive and thrive Morsi and the Brotherhood had to go.

    If Obama wants the Brotherhood to rule with Sharia Law then he will have
    to send billions of dollars of aid to Egypt, and provide them food
    credits to purchase wheat on the open market

  • Concerned

    Pfff Obama speech……….In a statement Monday, President Obama explained that Americans should not be cynical about the government inefficiencies, citing several examples of his administration’s effort to develop new technologies to improve government.

    “We can’t just stand on the sidelines. We can’t take comfort in just being cynical. We all have a stake in government success — because the government is us,” he insisted.

    Obama pointed out that the federal government was “saving lives” by delivering data on health care costs and by tracking weather effectively.

    Obama also complained that a lot of poorly designed legislation was bogging down government officials in their effort to streamline services.

    “We’re doing a lot of this work administratively but unfortunately there are still a bunch of rules, a lot of legislation that has poorly designed some of our agencies and forces folks to engage in bureaucratic jump-hoop – hoop jumping – instead of just going ahead and focusing on mission and delivering good service to our citizens,” he said.

    • 20pizzapies

      What’s that got to do with Egypt ?

  • Salah Derbala

    Al salam alaykom every one, let me give you an opinion as an Egyptian and living the real events. First of all this wasn’t a military coup d’etat, it can’t be considered a coup d’etat. When over 33 million oppose the president and take to the street to demand ousting him then this is inevetable. The military backed what the Egyptian people asked for. The brotherhood is another form of dictatorship only disguised as religious people who terrorize all who oppose them. The American administration however supports these guys for whatever reason “the safety of Israel” or the “democracy they understand”. It’s not about polls and elections. It’s about these people “brotherhood” who were taking us down the drain and were entering our country into a tunnel full of caios and misery. We know what’s best for us. And the best for us is for the American administration to back off and let us live peacfully. Stop backing up the wrong people. You can’t keep on supporting dictators for ever. Wake up it’s a new Egypt now. We the people of Egypt don’t want aggression with anyone nor want to be distroy any good relations with other countries. We simply want to live in peace and happy. Is that too much to ask?

    • defcon 4

      A “new Egypt” that is Judenrein and Christian free right Mohammet?

  • Mohamed El Telt

    We the EGYPTIANS totally support our ARMY in defending Egypt’s national security by stopping the Muslims Brotherhood terrorists from intimidating civilians on streets. We witnessed a lot of their terrorist attacks towards citizens and now they dare to attack military facilities.
    I am Egyptian citizen … …. Support and I stand behind the great Egypt army against terrorism imposed on us from the …almtaslmh religious movements of the Muslim Brotherhood to Salafists and messing with the security of Egypt broadcast terrorism to destabilize Egypt and the Egyptian national security. .. The hands of terrorism involving citizens in all parts of Egypt from Alexandria to Luxor to all governorates of Egypt had gone to attack military installations also this will not overlook … I authorize my army to take all the actions that ensure the return of security to the Egyptian Street and protect Egyptian national security the EGYPTIANS We totally support our ARMY in defending Egypt’s national security by stopping the Muslims Brotherhood terrorists from intimidating civilians on streets. We witnessed a lot of their terrorist attacks towards citizens and now they dare to attack military facilities.

  • Mohamed El Telt

    The Muslim Brotherhood has deliberately sacrificed 40 of its members in an attack launched on the presidential guard complex. The suicidal attack on a military installation was bound to be met with lethal force. The Muslim Brotherhood leadership knew they were putting their followers in harms way yet they chose to do so in a feeble effort to portrait the military as the aggressors hence incriminate the military establishment before the world. However it is a standard operating procedure in all militaries to meet attacks on their establishments using sufficient force. The use of lethal force in most cases in authorized. Conclusion the Muslim Brotherhood leadership are the only ones to blame for the blood spelled today. The military acted as they should and in full adherence to the letter of the law.

  • jobiwan

    All you have to do is google search Islamist extremist waiting in Mexico. Everything is tying into a “one world Government” at an ever rapid rate. Obama is the “head” of the beast right now. Why do you think he got a noble peace prize for no reason and is the Only President ever to be a in the U.N. Why do you think Syria, Lybia and Egypt are Obama’s “Wars”? Well because its the next step to surrounding Israel with Islamist extremist who want to wipe out every Christian and Jew on Earth. Its all starting right before our very eyes.

  • jobiwan

    Another 2010 article appearing in the Washington Times asserts that, “with fresh evidence of Hezbollah activity just south of the border [in Mexico], and numerous reports of Muslims from various countries posing as Mexicans and crossing into the United States from Mexico, our porous southern border is a national security nightmare waiting to happen.” This is in keeping with a recent study done by Georgetown University, which revealed that the number of immigrants from Lebanon and Syria living in Mexico exceeds 200,000. Syria, along with Iran, is one of Hezbollah’s strongest financial and political supporters, and Lebanon is the immigrants’ country of origin.

  • jobiwan

    According to a 2010 report, “Close to home: Hezbollah terrorists are plotting right on the U.S. border,” which appeared in the NY Daily News:

    Mexican authorities have rolled up a Hezbollah network being built in Tijuana, right across the border from Texas and closer to American homes than the terrorist hideouts in the Bekaa Valley are to Israel. Its goal, according to a Kuwaiti newspaper that reported on the investigation: to strike targets in Israel and the West. Over the years, Hezbollah—rich with Iranian oil money and narcocash—has generated revenue by cozying up with Mexican cartels to smuggle drugs and people into the U.S. In this, it has shadowed the terrorist-sponsoring regime in Tehran, which has been forging close ties with Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, who in turn supports the narcoterrorist organization FARC, which wreaks all kinds of havoc throughout the region.

  • thoughtwrite

    Here is a hint to what may happen this time around, according to Isaiah 19… right from this article. “These are the tactics that turned over China to the Communist Party and Iran over to the Ayatollahs. The treason of the diplomats did not begin in 2008. It began far earlier and hit its peak during the Cold War. And those same reliable tactics will be employed to compel a second Muslim Brotherhood victory.”

    • Terry Johnson

      I agree with you….Egypt is going to get very ugly….I feel sorry for the people of Egypt…but what is amazing is that at some point they will be joining Israel in worshipping God….

  • mally el

    Why is this President hell-bent on helping a man and his people in the Brotherhood? Why?

  • Drakken

    Wherever islam goes, blood always flows, the guy with the funny mustache and company didn’t kill in the name of Christianity, they killed in spite of it, unlike your islam which bloody well condones and encourages it.

    • Nelly Saad

      if you’re really interested in this and not just arguing for the sake of the argument I would urge you to listen to this… he explains it better than I do…. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151469002676644

      • Drakken

        No need to explain, I see what islam does day in and day out.

    • defcon 4

      The guy w/the funny mustachio deprecated Christianity in favor of islam.

  • defcon 4

    If you think islam is moderate, peaceful and tolerant then maybe you should try relocating to any of the various and sundry islamofascist misery theme parks which infest the globe today.

  • http://whenfallsthecoliseum.com/author/kwatson/ megapotamus

    No matter who is in charge Egypt is hungry now and will starve in short order. If Mubarak had never been deposed it would still be so. Egypt is in collapse and not before time either. Only the rebirth of Egyptian agriculture could improve things long term. In the near and mid term, either Egypt will be a charity case or it will implode pouring illiterate, islamist refugees into surrounding countries that are barely able to manage their own similar problems. Big ugly is already baked into the cake.

  • OhConservative

    Muslim Brotherhood is our enemy, as is Obama. He is committing TREASON and our enemies in Congress are allowing him to!

  • Eman Nabih

    The only plan on the real ground is the Egyptian people plan; Egyptians 30 of June 2013 are the real source of all authorities, We killed the brotherhood and the states plans on the 30th of June 2013, On the 19th of July 2013, we will bury the bodies….

  • Raouf

    Neither plan a, b and you may go up to z, can bring Morsi back again. Beside those who voted for him will never vote for him again, they only voted for him because the did not want his opponent. Morsi in one year created an enemosity with the police, the judiciary system, the arm forces and the majority of Egyptians. By every count the MB do not exceed 6 million, thus outnumbered and would loose in any soon elections. The sooner the elections the greater is their loss.

  • vladdy1

    What pisses me off even more than him getting the (gun-running?) ambassador killed is his getting the Seals killed. I never thought we’d see the day when a president would get away with that. Their whole credo is “Don’t leave your brothers behind.”

  • Sherif Ibrahim

    I sincerey hope and believe that the MB after its dismal performane under Morsy 1 year presidency will find it very difficult to achieve a majority in any election. The civil and nationbalist forces are also now better organised and aware of their abilities. Of course if B.Obama could be pressured to stop meddling in Egypts affairs would be great.
    For the first time in Egypt since 2011 theMilitary, Internal Security and a significant majority of the population are united against political ISLAM.

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