Collaborating with Nazis in the Counterjihad

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


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Regarding the invasion of the USSR, Churchill famously said, “If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.”

We’ve been playing the enemy of my enemy is my friend game for a while now. It’s how we got mixed up in Afghanistan and Iraq for example. It’s why Muslim Brotherhood operatives and assorted Islamists found safe harbor in the West. Because at least they were Anti-Communist.

We allied with the Communists to beat the Nazis. And then we allied with the Islamists to beat the Communists. And what now, allying with the Nazis?

All our decisions were probably strategically necessary. Maybe we had to deal with Stalin to keep Western Europe free, even if that meant losing Eastern Europe. Did we really have to sign on with the Ayatollah Khomeini and the Mujaheddin to beat the Soviet Union? In retrospect, probably not. We didn’t really gain anything from the Green Belt strategy and the Islamization of the West may end up destroying us.

And now? Well that’s the question.

There are a lot of things that brought this on. The EDL situation. Golden Dawn. The descent of the Islam vs. Europe blog into Neo-Nazi rants.

But it’s a lot more than that. It’s a necessary dialogue about how we can fight evil and still keep our souls. How we can fight evil without becoming evil.

EDL’s leaders apparently couldn’t cope with the presence of some Nazis within the organization and decided to leave. That may or may not have been the wrong choice. I’m not on the scene. To me the EDL looked like a promising organization, but I did see the BNP dissolve back to the same idiotic habits of the far right, after a promising start, and take their support down with it. I don’t think the EDL is going down that road, but there are certainly people who would like to take it down that road.

In Europe, the line is often thinner than it is in the United States. The left likes to depict any patriotic or nationalistic group as Nazis. And actual Nazis like to sneak into those groups. And there’s a middle line. People who are capable of swinging one way or another. Who start going, “Well, maybe Hitler had a point.” and “What we need is another Thousand Year Reich.”

Breivik exemplifies the kind of loose figure who seizes on random ideas from the Counterjihad in pursuit of an entirely different agenda. Breivik wasn’t really against Islam, he occasionally spoke of allying with it. What he had were bizarre Hitlerian dreams of taking over Europe and killing anyone he didn’t like.

There are Breiviks who are drawn in. Men who don’t oppose Islamization because they value freedom, but who use Islamization as a convenient rallying cry for their equally horrifying plans for slave lands and mass murder.

They’re not necessarily Nazis. They may not have even read Mein Kampf. But their thinking is very much along those same lines. Take over, kill everyone and build a totalitarian utopia.

They’re not likely to succeed or even get close, but their very presence destroys the contrast that makes the Counterjihad work. If the Counterjihad isn’t for a free society, but something that is borderline indistinguishable from the visions of a Qaradawi or a Tariq Ramadan, except without the Islam part, then it stops being a grand struggle and becomes a choice of evils.

Hitler and Stalin had more in common with each other than they did with any of their victims. Breivik had more in common with Jihadists. And he knew it so well that he thought about working for them.

The enemies of a free society where people can think for themselves and live their own lives have more in common with each other than they do with us. And they are bound to turn on us.

And their presence also lulls us into forgetting what they are. The alliance with the USSR made it difficult for many people to shift gears and understand that Communism and Stalin were still evil. The alliance with the Islamists has made that shift difficult even to this day. What we forget is that when we ally with evil… we take that evil into ourselves. And we lose the sensitivity to evil that we once had. It stops seeming evil.

I don’t have any easy answers to offer. Everyone will make their own decisions. That’s the essence of a free society. But I have to wonder how long we can keep allying with one evil against another only to then have to fight the evil that we allied with.

Is there a way to break the cycle?

I don’t know if there are any answers, but maybe it’s a conversation worth having.

  • sheikyermami

    “How we can fight evil without becoming evil?” You can’t.

    He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.– Nietsche

    But coming back to Nazis: unless I see convincing evidence and boots on the ground I am not convinced that the danger is real. Not in England, certainly not in Germany or elsewhere in Europe, and I don’t believe that the ‘Golden Dawn’ in Greece presents a real danger, at least not the way the enemedia portrays it.

    Everyone, all of us in the counter jihad, even the mildest among us, are quickly smeared as ‘racist-bigot-Islamophobe right-wingers’ and what have you; and any evidence to the contrary will always be discarded in favour of Muslims and their green-leftist enablers, who are now, (as they were then) the real Nazis. They only call themselves “anti-fascist”. I guess that point needs to be driven home.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      I don’t think that Golden Dawn is a threat to the human race. That said, are they Nazis. Yes.

      The left smears everyone to the right of them, even other liberals, as Nazis. But that doesn’t mean it’s a meaningless term because they make it meaningless.

    • Wolfy Ghalkhani

      Unfortunately, you have to become a monster. I like Nietsche but he was wrong about a lot of things. Even Zarathustra would agree, when an enemy as evil as Islam is bearing down on you, you must strike back in whatever way possible. the muslim looks upon us as “sub human” and thats how we have to view them. if we allow them to play on our sensitivities then all is lost. they dont deserve our understanding or respect. they are who they are and we are who we are. No apologies. No discussion. we are at war and Islam declared that war 1400 years ago. they destroyed advanced, brilliant civilizations. they set back mankind a thousand years with the invasion of Persia and Byzantine. Do we really want to regress back a 1,000 years? we will if Islam prevails. i dont care what the left says. if saving my country, my faith and my children’s future makes me a racist, bigot right winger, then I guess I am. Do I feel guilty? Hell no.

  • garyfouse

    Daniel,

    You raise sound points. I don’t know enough about the EDL to judge, but if we are truly fighting to preserve our freedoms and protect human rights, then we have to avoid those like neo-Nazis or Anders Breivik. This should not be about hating Muslims; rather it is about fighting Nazi-type behavior on the part of the jihadists.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      I’m not passing judgement on the EDL myself.

    • defcon 4

      Why shouldn’t I hate muslimes? They’re the Nazis of the 21st century. They practice what they preach. I’m not the one forcing your poor widdle oppressed muslimes to kill, torture and rape people of other faiths all over the world.

      • garyfouse

        DefCon 4,

        They are not “my widdle oppressed Muslims”. If you read my own writings, my anti-jihadist bona fides are in order. I don’t claim that Muslims are oppressed here or anywhere else. They are the oppressors in Muslim countries. I hate the jihadists, the stealth jihadists, the persecutors as much as you do. What I am saying is that I don’t hate all Muslims or consider them all to be bad people.

        • defcon 4

          And most nazis had nothing to do w/the Holocaust, are they, therefore good people?

          • garyfouse

            defcon4,

            Maybe the analogy should be Germans who had nothing to do with the holocaust. I use the analogy of Nazi Germany a lot to describe what is going on with Islamism vis-a-vis the Jews, Christians, sharia and all the terror. I think it is a valid comparison, and I think the world is basically in the 1930s all over again, but with a different totalitarian enemy.

  • A Z

    If the law takes care of business, vigilante groups do not usually form.

    If you are are calling the EDL vigilantes, then you are admitting that the government has failed.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      I don’t recall saying anything about vigilantes.

      • A Z

        You did not.

        Just an observation. Not all vigilantes are bad although this day and age they have that connotation.

        Our views are based on the old west, Hollywood and the intelligentsia.

        I went out on tangent, while reading the wiki entry of “Brother Where Art Thou”. I went form there to Riding the rail (it was in the move) , Charivari in North America, warning out of town.

        Citizens getting together to take care of what the government does not takes a whole range activities. All of them prescribed by the government.

        Charivari was outlawed by a Bishop in an area of France for instance.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Vigilantes are like the free market. They’re often necessary because they fill the gaps of a dumb planned system

          • A Z

            This has to be one of your best essays.

            This statement alone was worth the price of reading it
            “The left likes to depict any patriotic or nationalistic group as Nazis.”

            And the hits kept on coming.
            “They’re not necessarily Nazis. They may not have even read Mein Kampf. But their thinking is very much along those same lines. Take over, kill everyone and build a totalitarian utopia.”

          • defcon 4

            What’s also hilariously or sickeningly hypocritical of those who paint counter-jihadists as nazis, is that Mein Kampf is still a bestseller in islamic states and Hitler is praised, publicly, by holy muslime men.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Not to mention its influence on the modern leftist state

          • defcon 4

            I used to somewhat admire Communism. But not anymore. Still-in-all, I’d rather live in the PRC than any islam0fascist state. Because at least the PRC is ruled by leaders governed by rational thought rather than the rantings and ravings of a Jew hating psychopath from the 8th century.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Well they’re governed by greed and power, which is somewhat rational. But then so are most Muslim leaders.

            The difference is in the population. The Chinese focus on duty. Muslims focus on rivalries.

          • defcon 4

            Or a corrupt system.

  • garyfouse

    Daniel,

    I know you weren’t.

  • A Z

    “Breivik wasn’t really against Islam, he occasionally spoke of allying with it. What he had were bizarre Hitlerian dreams of taking over Europe and killing anyone he didn’t like.”

    This is worthy of substantiation to a source via a link.

    I had not heard. But the media had their agenda so of course they would not report on this.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      It was in his manifesto.

      http://frontpagemag.com/2011/dgreenfield/debunking-6-myths-about-anders-breivik/

      ““They are asked to provide a biological compound manufactured by Muslim scientists in the Middle East. Hamas and several Jihadi groups have labs and they have the potential to provide such substances. Their problem is finding suitable martyrs who can pass “screenings” in Western Europe. This is where we come in. We will smuggle it in to the EU and distribute it at a target of our choosing. We must give them assurances that we are not to harm any Muslims etc.”

      • A Z

        Thankyou.

        I was reading FPM 2 years ago. Maybe I missed it.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          It’s actually frustrating that most people don’t know what Breivik’s real agenda was. Even people on the right assume that the left was basically correct about him.

          That he was one of us.

  • Blazingcatfur

    I think the EDL inspired genuine fear among Britain’s ruling class. That, combined with a liberal dose of traditional upper class snobbery made them an easy target.

    I had a chance to ask Melanie Phillips about her position on the EDL when she visited Toronto a few years ago. She said the problem was, as it is now, that they were infiltrated by unsavoury types, yet she also stated that if and when the time came to “pick up the cudgel” an alliance with the EDL might not be a matter of choice.

    I was always surprised that the Daily Mail seemed so anti-EDL until a reader pointed out that its former owner/publisher was an admirer of the Nazis. I suppose fear of being tainted with that brush made them adopt an anti-EDL stance.

    What has always bothered me about EDL coverage in Brit papers was the kid glove treatment given to the UAF, until I realized how politically connected to the British left establishment they really are. Harry’s Place has some good info on that topic.

    All that said, the best we can do is keep our noses clean and hope we pick the right hill to die on.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      The Daily Mail is also opportunistic. It needs a constant supply of villains and I suspect the people running it have a good deal of contempt for their readership.

  • Blazingcatfur

    Goodness I had no idea my comment was that controversial that it was deleted.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      I don’t moderate comments, but two of mine took an hour to go up. It’s the automated system flagging some things.

      • Blazingcatfur

        I use Discus as well, but not the moderation tool. Oh well it was too long to retype anyway;)

        • Daniel Greenfield

          It’s probably in the system, not deleted, until a moderator approves it.

  • PowertodaPeople1848

    Earth to Islamophobes…you don’t collaborate with Nazis, you ARE Nazis. The Fourth Reich is headquartered in Tel Aviv, and you people, who spread the defamation of Muslims, are its worldwide messengers of hate. Lebensraum for a specific ethnic group; Greater Germany vs. Greater Israel; the demonization of “the other”; declarations of self-chosenness. Where’s the difference?

    • Daniel Greenfield

      What Greater Israel? Israel has been steadily shrinking.

      Maybe you mean Greater Palestine

      • Warren Raymond

        There you go. That’s exactly what we are dealing with. In my book, I stand with my people just like Anjem Chaudary stands with his Muslim brothers. I say the worst of us are still better than the best of them, and only if we muster the courage to deal with Islam decisively can we focus on differences among us. The cannibalism has to stop. Nobody comes out of this squeaky clean. This is war and war is fuggly.

    • defcon 4

      LOL, a muslo-fascist complaining about nazis and Lebensraum! It’s hilarious. After all what have muslo-fascists been doing across the world except creating new lands for conquest by their psychopathic umma of hate?

    • Drakken

      Sorry Sparky, but that dog don’t hunt anymore, we no longer will feel guilty about standing up for our western way of life, side with the muslims, you will soon perish with them for there is no longer any middle ground.

    • Wolfy Ghalkhani

      An islamophobe replies- you only exist because the goodness of the west allows you to exist. You exist because your partner in genocide, the bolshevik protects you as it spreads its lies to the naive. Your presence in the world exists because of your sword and ideology of hate. When the world is drenched in blood. and the Bolsheviks and Muslims face off against each other, who will be the winner? who will lead the survivors into the new dark age?

    • Softly Bob

      Abracadbra…. and then you woke up!!

    • Smoking Hamster

      I am islamophobic, I have an irrational fear of having my head chopped off.

    • UCSPanther

      Palestine won’t survive the 21st century, commie. Deal with it.

  • Drakken

    You fight evil by getting downright medieval, war is dirty, nasty, brutal bloody business, and the more you try to civilize it when your enemy does not, it makes victory that much harder and bloodier to achieve. Islam itself and its adherents will not take any high moral ground in its fight against us, that is what they expect us infidels to do and bury us in it, they will do whatever is necessary to win, we infidels must take off the blinders and binders of PC and the multicultural/diversity shackles that we have been bound with by traitorous leftist. That day is coming sooner than we think for as history as my guide, we are now in the perfect trifecta of disaster, economic meltdowns, leftist squashing any type of dissent and unfettered immigration from the 3rd world who will not assimilate into our cultural belief system. The people of our western countries are not going to sit quietly while their way of life is threatened from within and without, there will soon be an incident that will be so egregious and heinous that it shocks the collective conscience of a nation and the backlash will begin in earnest, make no mistake, there will be a Balkans on steroids and how it ends and what kind of govts we end up with is a crap shoot.

    • defcon 4

      The problem is almost as much a problem of collaborators and traitors as it is islam0fascism.

  • Gloria Stewart

    I believe that Mr. Greenfield in his excellent article would have spoken of Tommy Robinson, founder and ex-member of the EDL, had his article been longer. Mr Robinson recently announced his departure from the EDL because of its anti-Semitic and neo Nazis trends. There is no doubt that these sorts would be attracted to an organization that is right of center. There is also no doubt that many of the anti Semites and Neo Nazis were plants from the opposition to change the nature of the group, discredit it, and drive decent people away.

    There is more to the Tommy Robinson tale than has been generally publicized, and I am sure he will not be the last to meet this fate. Mr. Robinson announced his withdrawal from the EDL citing its growing anti Semitic and Neo Nazi composition. I believe he was a man overwhelmed at what was happening to his work. However, we cannot ignore the physical and psychological stress imposed on him by a police force and a media that will eagerly take the side of the Muslims. He had been arrested a number of times under charges that were clearly politically motivated. He was awaiting a trial that is also politically motivated. His house was search under a legal warrant but trashed beyond what was justified. He was forced to wear, while in jail, a uniform that is worn by prisoners arrested for terrorism. For all we know while in jail an overt threat was made by a law enforcement officer – I am not talking about a threatening e mail
    signed Mohammed. To be under this stress, to know it is not going to get better, and to know that you cannot trust the people society has assigned to guard you, may have pushed him to the breaking point.

    To add insult to injury, Mr. Robinson joined the Quilliam Institute, a jihadist group, well funded, that presents itself as moderate but is far from it. He has announced that he now believes Britons must work with Muslims.

    What is to be done(to quote Lenin)? I do not have the answer, but we have to talk about Islam and its death cult nature. We can cite history, and we can cite what is happening to European nations that have a Muslim population at or near the tipping point. We have to learn to deal, when we form organizations, with extremists and plants. This web cite would be a good place to start.

  • fish

    united front with hindus buddhists and chinese.

    • Andy_Lewis

      And the Russians too. (Trust, but verify.)

    • Daniel Greenfield

      And anyone else in the line of fire. But trust and verify goes there too.

  • Bulan Sabriel

    You cannot collaborate with Nazis because they are not rational and cannot be trusted. Hitler was the second greatest killers of whites after his sometime ally, Stalin. Nazis claimed to be nationalists, but annexed non-German and Austrian territories and wanted to destroy actual nationalities to create a Pan-Aryan state. They wanted to enslave 1/3 of Slavs as helots for farms and factories and kill or expel the rest past the Ural Mountains. No actual white nationalist should want anything to do with them. Instead what we have are a bunch of mentally ill people driven by grievance and fantasy.

    But even if they were sane, they could not be trusted. The Nazis liked Muslims and allied with the Muslim Brotherhood. And in a very real sense, Europe’s Muslim Problem comes directly from the Nazis. Many Nazi-allied Muslims from the USSR were given shelter in Germany. Meanwhile the anit-nationalist Nazis were used as an excuse to damage nationalism and allow the importation of hostile foreigners.

    Nazis are not allies on the issue of Muslim immigration. They are a problem, even before we would deal with the issue of public relations. They are radioactive lunatics.

    • Freddy

      Moron, Austria always was and is German! Just ask the greatest of all Austrians, Adolf Hitler! Germany will rise again, whether the Jews like it or not.

      • Bulan Sabriel

        I specifically wrote “non-German and Austrian” as Austrians are ethnic Germans. Ostmark (Austria) was as German as Nordmark (Brandenburg)
        Germany has been committing suicide and electing the Nazis was the first act of suicide. Who else but untermench would choose as a leader a drug-addicted syphilitic lunatic who pined for his niece and couldn’t get into ART SCHOOL.

        • Freddy

          At least you admit that Austria is and had always been German, regardless of anti-German propaganda by the French, to a lesser extent by the British and a of course, the Jews. The purpose was to keep Germany fragmented, because a united German nation would be almost invincible.

          Of course, the miracle of the bloodless and ecstatic reunification of Austria with the Fatherland was accomplished by the man you call “drug-addicted syphilitic lunatic”. This “lunatic”, who neither drank nor smoked and was a vegetarian, also succeeded in returning the Sudetenland to Germany without firing shot, to the near ecstasy of the people.

          This ” lunatic” also created the greatest and most successful economic and social miracle ever recorded in human history. This “lunatic” used his artistic abilities to personally design a car for the people, a wagon for the folk, called Volkswagen in German. This “lunatic” also created the first Autobahns in the world.

          He also liberated his people from the Jewish economic and cultural subjugation and gave Germany back to the Germans. He tried his best to save Europe from Jewish Bolshevism with its 40 million murdered and the Gulag slave camps.

          http://www.tomatobubble.com/worldwarii.html
          http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/index.html

          • Daniel Greenfield

            You’re really setting the bar for miracles rather low if you call the Anschluss a miracle.

            The successful miracle consisted of financing Socialism by spending money that didn’t exist and then starting wars with everyone to loot them in order to keep it going.

            How many German lives did that economic miracle end up costing again?

          • Freddy

            You are deeply confused.You can not spend money that does not exist, like you say the Nazis had done.
            It is like wiping your arse with non-existent toilet paper.

            The Nazi economic miracle is unprecedented and awesome, because it was done in the absence of money, relying solely on the productive work and energy of the German nation and in the face of an equally unprecedented international economic boycott organized by the Jews led by Samuel Unterrmeyer.

            “The whole problem had been solved in one instant, as if by magic…. My dear friends, if I had stated publicly eight or nine years ago: ‘In seven or eight years the problem of how
            to provide work for the unemployed will be solved, and the problem then will be where to find workers,’
            I should have harmed my cause. Every one would have declared:
            ‘The man is mad. It is useless to talk to him, much less to support him.
            Nobody should vote for him. He is a fantastic
            creature.’ Today, however, all this has come true. Today, the only question for us is where to find workers. That, my fellow countrymen, is the blessing which work brings.
            Work alone can create new work; money cannot
            create work. Work alone can create values, values
            with which to reward those who work. The work of one man makes it possible for another to live and continue to work. And when we have mobilized the working capacity of our people to its utmost,each individual worker will receive more and more of the world’s goods.
            We have incorporated seven million unemployed into our economic system; we have transformed another six millions from part-time into full-time workers; we are even working overtime.”

            (Adolf Hitler in a speech to factory workers in 1940)

          • Bulan Sabriel

            Germany was big enough for Prussia or Austria, but not both. One or the other could dominate, but not both. Blaming Jews, just speaks to your mental illness.

            “Of course, the miracle of the bloodless and ecstatic reunification of
            Austria with the Fatherland was accomplished by the man you call
            “drug-addicted syphilitic lunatic”.”
            Plenty of Austrian patriots were murdered by the Nazis prior to and shortly after the invasion by Germany. Engelbert Dollfuss was a patriot and better German/Austrian than the anti-nationalist Hitler. Bloodless, my tuchus.

            “This ” lunatic” also created the greatest and most successful economic and social miracle ever recorded in human history.”
            Gangster economics were a joke. Nazi Germany would have collapsed economically, but for their campaign of theft and extortion.

            “This “lunatic” used his artistic abilities to personally design a car
            for the people, a wagon for the folk, called Volkswagen in German.”
            That would be Ferdinand Porsche, who humored Hitler by making a few minor changes.

            “He also liberated his people from the Jewish economic and cultural subjugation and gave Germany back to the Germans. ”
            No, he wrecked German culture, history and its good name.
            ” He tried his best to save Europe from Jewish Bolshevism with its 40 million murdered and the Gulag slave camps.”
            The anti-semetic death cult of communism killed far more people. And Hitler allied with Stalin and is the reason for the Warsaw Pact.
            Try again.

      • iluvisrael

        still sore cuz your side lost?

      • Wolfy Ghalkhani

        Lets hope Germany rises up fast enough to save Europe. the destruction of Europe has been on the bolshevik agenda for generations. Europeans were told not to have babies cause the world was ready to burst but not the muslims who continued to pop out little muslims faster that a bunny could pop out little bunnies. Now, Europe is facing a deludge of predator, parasite muslims and they dont know what to do. And as far as the nazis and Germany go, why can’t we have an open discussion about the rise of Germany. the Germans were and are the innovators who helped advance the world to where it is today. Notice how everyone clams up at the mention of the Nazi but arent bothered by the mention of Bolshevik? While the Nazis were indeed evil, nothing compares to what the Bolsheviks did. they shattered the Ukraine, Russia, and central Asia; killing tens of millions. Yet the left sheds not a tear because they love communism which has a lot in common with Islam. After Europe, America is next. Sad that the Bolsheviks would sell the world’s most brilliant people down the river so that they can have their NWO. even more shameful for them is that the Muslims will wipe them out to install their worldwide Caliphate. At least under the sword of Islam, we’ll all be equal in poverty and famine as we are catapulted into the new Islamic dark age.

      • Softly Bob

        Your little mustache has fallen off. Perhaps you need to be a bit more careful when you raise your right hand in the the thrusting limp-wristed way that Hitler used to do it.
        It’s a shame that you have to sit on a high stool to reach your keyboard and type your crap. Maybe your little friend Adolf could give you a helping hand to climb onto your chair. I’ve heard that a little reacharound can help even the most frustrated of Nazis!

    • Daniel Greenfield

      The Nazis used a grab bag of philosophies. They were Socialists when it was convenient and Racialists when it was convenient, but what they really were was a mafia looking to build a feudal empire using modern technology out of stolen property and slave labor.

      The sort of followers they left behind tend to be dumb and crazy.

      And ultimately, like the left, interested in making common cause with Muslims to destroy civilization.

    • Smoking Hamster

      The biggest problem I have with the so called “white nationalism” movement is the deeply ingrained anti-Semitism. Which is stupid as Jews have done more for Western civilization and white people than any other group their size. We really need a “Western nationalist” movement which expresses the supremacy of Western civilization. That is where the true divide is as opposed to race.

      • Taboobuster

        Did you ever ask yourself the simple, obvious question: why are white nationalists anti-Jewish?

        Could it be that, oh Taboo of Taboos, the activities and behavior of the Jews inevitably elicit a backlash?

        Did the Jews have anything to do with the flooding of the Western world with Muslims, and assorted Third World types?

        Let professional Jewess Barbara Spectre Lerner speak:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QoJGvEVogI

        • Smoking Hamster

          I generally find that the only Jews I dislike are hardcore Leftists. Most are not even religious (Soros, Alinsky). Hating all Jews to me is racism and bigotry. The immigration issue is 100% due to leftism which has become the unfortunate idol of secular. Jews.

          Hitler died. Get over it punk.

          • Taboobuster

            “punk” you write…..

            There are many decent, honest Jews, but they form a tiny minority of the Jewish group. Gilad Atzmon, Brother Nathaniel Kapner, Lew Kopelew, Israel Shamir, Israel Shahak, Boris Pasternak and others immediately come to mind, not to mention Jesus of Nazareth.
            You are typical of the indecent majority of the Jews: vulgar name calling, a mind focused on bodily excretions, ad hominem attacks, crassness, general lack of decency and a neurotic, psychotic, deceitful character are very common among them.
            It is no coincidence that almost all disgusting filth and degeneracy in the world was the creation of this exalted group, including the promotion of sex with children
            (Hirschberg in Germany in the 1930s, Kaplan in Minnesota in the 90s). Vice president Biden, a disgusting shabbas goy, lavished praise upon the Jews of America for their excellent work in promoting homosexual marriage not too long ago.
            Who else would invent Dadaism? Communism? Hippies/Counterculture (Abbie Hoffman ran a pig for President)? Feminism? Boasism? and so on and on….The list of degenerate, psychotic,sick ideas and movements is like a Who is Who of the Jews.

          • Jimbo

            Instead of conforming to the stereotype of the crass, vulgar, deceitful Jew by using cuss words and obfuscating reality, you would be well advised to follow the example of Eugene Girin, who is an honest Jew with the backbone to stand up to the Jewish organizations, which, if successful, will ultimately destroy not just the West, but Israel itself.
            http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/09/eugene-girin-on-the-evil-hypocrisy-of-the-jewish-establishment-in-australia/

            Barbara Spectre speaks about “Jews” not leftists and any superficial Internet search would provide ample evidence that the major Jewish organizations all support mass Third World immigration into the West, but not into Israel. This includes the neo-cons in the USA such as Horowitz and his FrontPage magazine.and the Bill Kristol crowd.

          • Smoking Hamster

            I fail to see where I use cuss and vulgar words. Could you please point them out?

          • Bulan Sabriel

            Lerner is a paid sevant of the left hired by the cultural marxist regime to silence Jews. Barabara Lerner Spectre is the Leftist court Jew plant trotted out to
            suppress Swedish Jews and silence them. She is not even a Swedish Jew.
            She is an American leftist, who considered Israel too nationalist and
            betrayed her own people by being a spokeswoman for the
            anti-Zionist left in Sweden.

            You Nazis ignore the facts and trot out an edited clip

          • Bulan Sabriel

            Eugene Girin is an old friend.

          • Bulan Sabriel

            Soros was never a Jew. He’s a second generation atheist, who helped steal property from Jews in the Holocaust.

        • Bulan Sabriel

          This video comes from a Israeli piece on Muslim-Socialist persecuation of Malmo Jews. It is a 30+ minute piece. But lying Nazis show only the 1:30 second response by the leftist spokeswoman. Barabara Lerner Spectre is the Leftist court Jew plant trotted out to suppress Swedish Jews and silence them. She is not even a Swedish Jew. She is an American leftist, who considered Israel too nationalist and betrayed her own people by being a spokeswoman for the
          anti-Zionist left in Sweden.

          You Nazis ignore the facts and trot out an edited clip.

          Why is it that Nazis need to lie?

          • Frankenstone2

            Here is an awesome video which parodies Barbara Spectre; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og

          • Bulan Sabriel

            Check out Daniel Greenfield’s piece on the Universalist Holocaust to see this is the reality now. In fact, the Anne Frank museum is anti-Zionist.

          • Guest

            Look up “The Universalist Holocaust”
            According to the Gatestone Institute, the Ann Frank museum compares Zionist to Nazis.

  • Daniel Greenfield

    I don’t have much to say about the Robinson situation. I don’t know why he made the decision to affiliate with the Quilliam Institute,

    It’s certainly a mistake.

    • Wolfy Ghalkhani

      so sad to learn of this. there has to be more to the story. Tommy would not do an about face so easily? could they be threatening him? if so then the situation in England is far worse than I imagined. I pray for England. I pray for Tommy.

      • Daniel Greenfield

        I’m sure he’s been threatened plenty, but LEOs and others in the field are good at finding vulnerable moments when their target feels isolated, tired and disgusted with his associates to turn him.

        I’m not saying that’s what happened. But it’s how it often works.

        • defcon 4

          These days, all I can say about LEO’s, is that the German police were more than willing and able to collaborate w/nazis. I don’t have to wonder if US LEO’s are exhibiting the same characteristics, all I have to do is look at the civil rights violations being committed by muslimes in the islamic republic of Dearbornistan and the fact the Dept. of Justice does absolutely nothing about it.

      • NYgal

        He is married and has children. The government found a way to brake him by probably using his family.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    First, as Americans we must reject multiculturalism as defined by the left, which is that we must consider “cultural context” when it comes to expectations about assimilation. BS! We must reject these excuses. And the same goes for all of the fifth columnists. Hold them to the standards of our constitution.We have a constitution that works.

    Work the US constitution and when our international allies have problems, point to our successful model as the ultimate objective.

    Obviously 0′Bama has to go and we need to reform our schools, which are also in the process of attacking our constitution. That’s the core fight. Keep up the cultural political wars, reform and restore our schools and get back to the constitution. Which in real terms means that when leftists come along to “help the people” with these Utopian schemes we must demand they prove their claims.

    We must learn the hard lessons of allowing a red diaper baby to come in and try to destroy us (er, transform?) in the name of diversity and “racial healing.”

  • objectivefactsmatter

    And OF COURSE we do not collaborate with any totalitarian or anti-American groups or individuals.

  • Drakken

    You want to know how it went with Robinson? The govt held a gun to his head and said, you will join us and here is how your going to do it, or else, well he took them at their word. So they have for the short term cut off the movement by the knees, now the folks have no outlet to air their grievance, this is going to turn ugly real fast, think more along the lines of IRA/UDF type tactics.

  • Texas Patriot

    There definitely seems to be a lot of confusion surrounding this topic, but I don’t think it presents any insurmountable difficulty. Those of us who wish to preserve the values of Western Civilization shouldn’t really have such a hard time finding that we have a lot in common with each other and even with many Muslims who share our Western ways of thinking and doing things.

    Let’s face it. If it weren’t for the fact that it limits freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equal rights, separation of church and state, human rights, and constitutional democracy, Islam would probably be regarded by many as a great religion. I personally have seen how it has transformed lives of many individuals for the better, with Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali, and Kareem Abdul Jabbar coming immediately to mind. Do Nazis believe absolutely in freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equal rights, separation of church and state, human rights, and constitutional democracy? I seriously doubt it. And if not, they’re probably fighting against us rather than for us. It’s really just a matter of identifying who shares the fundamental values of Western Civilization, and then rallying everyone together to stand up for the values we all believe in.

    Can Islam be reformed and modernized so that it is compatible with these foundational Western values? Why not? It shouldn’t be too hard to identify the phrases of the Koran that are incompatible with these values. If Muslims are willing to put Western values above traditional islamic religious values, why shouldn’t they be allowed to stay in the West? Those who prefer Islamic values to Western values should be more than happy to go somewhere else. It’s not that complicated.

    • Drakken

      Islam and western values and ideals are polar and diametrically opposite of each other, so your living in a dream world if you think they can coexist with each other. This ends only one way, one or the other is going to reign supreme.

      • Texas Patriot

        There’s a fundamental principle at stake here, and it’s a derivative of the age-old idea that all people everywhere have the right of self-determination and with the majority goes the right.

        For example, if a majority of Westerners believe that Western values are better than Islamic values, then Western values should prevail in the West. By the same token, if Muslims want to live in the West, they should be willing to accept Western values, even if it means abandoning the Islamic values of their original homeland. Otherwise, if Muslims do not wish to accept and conform to the values of their new homeland, they should be willing to go somewhere else.

        When in Rome, do as the Romans do, and if you don’t like the Roman’s way of doing things, go somewhere else. It’s not that hard to understand, and most people would probably agree that it is the fair and right thing to do.

        • Drakken

          Life is not fair and the muslims never play by fair rules, they will over reach in their demands and their jihad, then their destruction will be unleashed by our western retribution. Islam one way or another is going to be dealt with the good ole fashioned way.

    • Wolfy Ghalkhani

      My dear patriot, you live in a fantasy world. Islam can never be transformed. because the Qu’ran and Sharia are set in stone and thats it. As far as Islam transforming the lives of individuals- that’s bullshit. those celebrities continued to live their lives as celebrities- certainly not in the islamic way. Islam for them was simply a vehicle to set themselves apart from “white” culture which they automatically align with Christianity. if they had done their homework which they obviously didn’t, they would have known that Islam was and remains the enemy of the black race. the massacres of Christians in Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya, the Congo and Nigeria are testament to that. Islam is not about freedom. its about submission. I traveled all over central Asia and Persia (Iran). they were once advanced regions. now they are hell holes. why are they hell holes? one word- ISLAM. Wake up, research. use a bit of critical thinking and you’ll understand the enormity of what we facing. America is no longer the world’s never never land where nobody has to grow up. we do have to grow up and defend our land. if we lose, its over for our children. there can never be any compromise- BAN ISLAM!

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Some interesting points.

      That said, regarding reforming Islam, nearly anything can be turned into anything else, but Islam is the intertwining of culture and religion.

      And it’s Islamic culture that makes the religion what it is. If the culture were different, then so would the religion.

      • defcon 4

        To suggest reforming islam, in any islamic state, wouldn’t be greeted with open arms or calls for vigorous debate.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Not unless it’s the Wahhabi kind of primal reform. Which says everything already.

          • Texas Patriot

            Be not afraid. There’s music afoot. Be ready to sing. Be ready to dance. It’s a time for trusting in larger things.

      • Drakken

        Islam no matter the stripe cannot be reformed, it must be ruthlessly destroyed by whatever means necessary.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      That is to say, Islam is violent because it is based around a culture of violence and it’s that culture that has to change.

      Islam is the symptom of a cultural problem.

      • defcon 4

        Is it the symptom, or the cause? Because it seems quite a few converts to islam, from cultures outside of islamic states, have embraced the same psychopathy seen in all muslime states.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Well religion springs from culture. You can ‘join’ a culture and converts tend to accept uncritically everything they’re told and become fanatical about it… which is why they make such useful cannon fodder.

          What I’m really saying is that Islam is culture as a religion in a way. It took the destructive ideas and behaviors of bandits in 7th century Arabia and made them into a cult of death.

  • Wolfy Ghalkhani

    The left used the Nazi debacle and genocide to demoralize Europe and allow the penetration of the muslim invaders. Their anti Christian, anti European tactics helped to drive the European pysche to her lowest point when Europe was at her most vulnerable. the horrors of the death camps were blamed not only on the Nazis but on Christianity. The most brilliant people in the world were suddenly the world’s evil doers through the brainwashing of Europe’s youth (same is happening in the US) All that was sane in their world with the Christian faith as its foundation was denigrated and caste aside. Hardly ever is there mention of the collaboration between the Nazi and the muslims who wanted Nazi assistance so that they could wipe out Christianity in the Balkans. The Nazi have blood on their hands but the muslims are swimming in it. yet, the left remains silent about evil Islam. Why? because the left belongs to the house of Islam. Europe can still save herself, but it requires fortitude and lots of courage. Europe may have been sissied down but she can still recover from the leftist onslaught that started after Germany was crushed. the key to Europe’s resurrection may indeed by that same country that rose up from the ashes of WW2. Even so Germany needs a champion to lead her. Where is that Champion? I dont know but with the Lord’s guidance, that champion will make himself known soon enough. In the meantime, Europe needs to get rid of the “white guilt” bullshit that the left uses to keep her in her place. What is needed now is a resurgence of patriotism and faith in her core religion.

  • Naresh Krishnamoorti

    I have also noticed that there are a lot of leftists that infiltrate organizations like the EDL (just as they have infiltrated the Tea Party), and pretend they are Nazis in order to discredit the organization.
    In fact, I’ve noticed the same phenomenon in the comments sections of FrontPage Magazine.

  • Lt. Aldo Raine

    I’d have to ask Mr.Greenfield to define the term “nazi”. Does he mean that in the original definition as “racial, antisemitic, totalitarian supremacists”? If he does then I believe that his question is mostly unnecessary since those kind of people are by and large in sympathy and league with jihad already.

    If he means nationalists and rightists indifferent or even unsympathetic to Jews, but not seem to be harbouring the obsessive hatred of the nazis, I suppose each case needs to be judged according to it’s own merits. Perhaps some are simply crypto-nazis, others may put away their personal animosities temporarily and some may even change their views, who knows.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    We have to completely avoid fascist types. We’re in an educational phase where we are trying to teach others about Islam and Islamic fundamentalism while defending our [classical] liberal heritage. To get the message across we need to avoid compromises.

    The tactical compromises made by political leaders in the past is irrelevant. We’re not in power. We’re “talkers” at present. We don’t need to join up with unsavory types to be “talkers.” Those that organize “activist” events to bring attention to the message should be careful to control the event and the message.

  • Mohammed Wazir Ahkspaidar

    Prolonged hate corrodes one’s inner being. So hate is reserved for special occasions. The obvious answer for me is to love the cause – without hatred. We know what we want and use all tools available to work calmly and steadfastly towards thwarting the spread of islamofascism wherever it pops up, alerting people to the real islam – not the pap that muslims spout,

  • Drakken

    It is in our European DNA that will eventually come out, much to the horror of the muslims, for we will be ridding our lands of their presence by whatever means necessary soon enough.

  • Daniel Greenfield

    Both Communists and Nazis were evil. And had a lot in common.

  • paendragon

    “Unite Against Fascism” (being full of muzlim fascists and all) should more properly be called “Unite Against Freedom!”

    “Sin” is not a “force” nor a “magical,” “spiritual” “Stain” etc – it all depends on sequence, sub-sequent acts, and con-sequences.

    Any act of violence one can conceive of, will not be immoral or a crime, if it is used in defense of one’s self &/or of innocent others!

    It isn’t “attacking” which is “bad;” it’s only attacking first!

    The Golden Rule of Law simply defines all situational morality as:
    “DO NOT ATTACK FIRST.”

    After all, when one decides to attack first, one’s choice self-defines one as the predatory, criminal aggressor, and they as one’s innocent victims; there’s no two ways about it! Caveat: Threats are (psychological) attacks, aka: bullying, intimidation, coercion, duress, activist agitation, extortion, and of course, “terrorism,” so responding with violence to a credible threat is perfectly moral.

    In fact, counter-attacking (second) is a de-rigeur requirement for deterrant retaliatory JUSTICE – and even the courts attack second, often years after the fact of the crime, and when the criminal is no longer immediately engaged in committing any crimes. Why (as liberals might ask?) Because the law – both its falsely-divided criminal and civil wings – agrees: You must pay for what you take.

    Since islam long ago decided that the best defense is a good offense, and that attacking all “the others” first was not only their right but also their holy duty to their god, in order to forestall the fear of ever being attacked first, it gave up its right to not be attacked when it reneged on the human legal responsibility to not attack innocent others first. Islam is a slanderous crime, so by their own rules, they have made it literally impossible to act immorally when we (by definition, counter-) attack any of its muslim members, anywhere, evern, in any and all ways possible.

    Capisce?
    ;-)

  • Freddy

    “The anti-semetic death cult of communism killed far more people.” you write among the rest of your deceitful, ignorant ravings.

    The Jews surely played a leading role in this death cult, as observed by almost everyone with half a brain. This includes the war criminal and alcoholic Churchill who ended up in the Jews’ pocket in the mid 1930 and destroyed Western civilization with his criminal and unnecessary war.
    http://www.amazon.com/Churchill-Hitler-The-Unnecessary-War/dp/0307405168

    Here is Churchill on the Jews in 1920:
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

    • Bulan Sabriel

      I don’t deny for a second that people born Jewish or atheist to Jewish families became APOSTATES joining the anti-semitic atheist death cult of communism.

      From Marx on, communists have wanted to end Judaism and Jewishness

      In its perfected practice, Christian egoism of heavenly bliss
      is necessarily transformed into the corporal egoism of the Jew, heavenly
      need is turned into world need, subjectivism into self-interest. We explain
      the tenacity of the Jew not by his religion, but, on the contrary, by the
      human basis of his religion – practical need, egoism.

      Since in civil society the real nature of the Jew has been universally
      realized and secularized, civil society could not convince the Jew of the
      unreality of his religious nature, which is indeed only the ideal aspect
      of practical need. Consequently, not only in the Pentateuch and the Talmud,
      but in present-day society we find the nature of the modern Jew, and not
      as an abstract nature but as one that is in the highest degree empirical,
      not merely as a narrowness of the Jew, but as the Jewish narrowness of
      society.

      Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence
      of Judaism – huckstering and its preconditions – the Jew will have become
      impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object, because
      the subjective basis of Judaism, practical need, has been humanized, and
      because the conflict between man’s individual-sensuous existence and his
      species-existence has been abolished.

      The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation
      of society from Judaism.”
      Karl Marx, On the Jewish Question

      Game, set match, Nazi boy.
      Try playing with someone who is hobbled by a lower IQ.

  • Bulan Sabriel

    All liars. Seriously. Look up the names Gilad Atzmon, Brother Nathaniel Kapner, Lew Kopelew, Israel Shamir, Israel Shahak, Boris Pasternak.
    Shamir isn’t even a Jew, but a pseudonym for a Russian fraud.
    Brother Kapner pisses on the cross, every time he lies about Judaism.
    As for the communists, well, by are you quoting anti-nationalist communists liars like Atzom. Is it because Nazis are retarded hypocrites?

  • Hard Little Machine

    Just as most Muslims killed by violence are killed by other Muslims because they’re vaguely some kind of not quite the right Muslim at all, Europe will sooner than later splash around in the abattoir of their own design as they fight each other to extermination in a quest to wear the cloak of The Most Righteously Oppressed Liberal Victim Of All. Up until now Europe’s bloody genocidal history has been a thousand year story of being horrible monsters. Now they’ve decided it’s time for them all to die once and for all.

    Fair enough.

  • Dan84iel

    Other than the passing reference to the English Defense League, the Golden Dawn, and some anonymous internet trolls, who are these “neo-Nazis” that the counter-jihad movement is agonizing over allying with?

    (I would also strongly contest the description of the EDL and GD as neo-Nazi.)

  • Bulan Sabriel

    So the only good Jews are communists who want to destroy Judaism, Jewishness and Israel.
    Thanks for reminding us of the pathalogical nature of antisemitism.
    As for Kevin MacDonald, that untermensch is too mentally ill or hobbled by a Low IQ to understand that his master theory is bunk. He holds that what amounts to support for cultural Marxism is a group survival strategy of Jews. The problem with this is that it is a recent phenomenon and is poison to Jews and Judaism. Leftism is second only to the Nazis in destroying Jews in modern days. It is leading to the absolute decline in Jewish popuplation. So it is not a “survival” anything. It is also recent and limited to only certain groups of Jews, meaning it is not a “group strategy” inherent to Jews. Finally, in reality it is a result of grievances and is shared with diaspora Irish.

    Kevin Macdonald’s life work is a fare of antisemitic thought for anyone with an IQ above their body temperature.

  • Bulan Sabriel

    “What should one call a Jew like Bulan Sabriel who claims that the
    Nazis, whose very name derives from “National”, the most extreme
    nationalists the world had seen (after the Jews, of course) were
    “anti-nationalist”?”
    I know what a lie is?
    The NDSAP was not loyal to Germany but to a Pan-Aryan state. Hitler was happy to see Germany destroyed, since it failed him. Of course, the Nazis chose an Austrian expat as a leader. Nationalism fail.

  • Frankenstone2

    Nationalism and racism were one and the same in the case of the Nazis. In fact Aryan racism was a form of Aryan nationalism, because what mattered most was not the German nation but the larger Aryan ethnos of which the German nation was only an important part of.
    Narrow nationalism would have undermined the larger nationalism of the Aryan race.

    That is why Hitler was opposed to any war with England, a brother Germanic nation and it was only due to immense Jewish warmongering and media/financial pressure, that England was forced into a war against her own national interests. A shameless criminal such as Churchill, financially deeply indebted to the shadowy Focus group, financed by Jews, was the perfect puppet to accomplish the suicide of England.To this day the Jewish Lie-Machine propagates the Big Lie that England was fighting to fend off a German invasion. As Hitler observed, the Jews have perfected the art of lying like no other group in history.

  • Bulan Sabriel

    “Nationalism and racism were one and the same in the case of the Nazis.
    In fact Aryan racism was a form of Aryan nationalism, because what
    mattered most was not the German nation but the larger Aryan ethnos of
    which the German nation was only an important part of.
    Narrow nationalism would have undermined the larger nationalism of the Aryan race.”
    There is no Aryan ethnos. Germans (German and Austrian), Dutch, Danes, Flemish, Swedes, Norwegians are all seperate peoples just as the French and Spaniards are. Heck, Prussians, the most “German” of Germans are not ethnically German, but Germanicized Balts. The non-Aryan looking Heidler-Schecklegrubber inbred, couldn’t get this right.

    “That is why Hitler was opposed to any war with England, a brother
    Germanic nation and it was only due to immense Jewish warmongering and
    media/financial pressure, that England was forced into a war against her
    own national interests.”
    Great Britain is and remains Celtic, by DNA.
    The national interest of England and then Britain from the 16th Century until recently was to ensure that no power could dominate Europe and pose a threat to them. This damn well included Hitler’s Reich.

    Hitler wanted war with France, Poland and eventually Russia. He invaded most of Europe because of his megalomania. Jews didn’t start the war or keep it going. Hitler did.

    It is pathetic that metally ill white nationalists revise history to bow down to their idol, Hitler, who was the second worst mass murderer of whites in History, adn a sometime ally of and enabler of the worst, Stalin,