Ed Koch and Alan Dershowitz React to Obama’s Hagel Betrayal


During the election, I had said that Koch was the one who went into this with his eyes open, or at least as open as the eyes of a liberal could be.

As a practiced politician, Koch never believed in Obama, he did believe in having a pro-Israel seat on the side of a man who was going to win anyway. But Koch failed to understand just how rotten Obama was and how little that influence would mean. The old Koch who stood up to Jimmy Carter might have called it correctly, but the new old Koch made a bad bet.

“Frankly, I thought that there would come a time when he would renege on what he conveyed on his support of Israel,” said Koch, adding, “it comes a little earlier than I thought it would.”

“It’s very disappointing, I believe he will ultimately regret it,” Koch said, “and it undoubtedly will reduce support for him in the Jewish community, but I don’t think he (the President) worries about that now that the election is over.”

Earlier means two months later.

Koch hopes that Congress will be able to block some of the damage if Hagel is confirmed, but as a former Congressman, Koch should know that’s wishful thinking. It would have been wishful thinking back then, today when Obama uses executive orders to do anything he likes domestically, foreign affairs is a complete imperial domain.

Koch hopes that Democrats in Congress will oppose Hagel’s appointment, and he sees it as part of the path to blocking Hagel, “if he (Hagel) is not (confirmed) it’ll be because the republicans take him on, and a few good democrats. It’ll be interesting to me to see how the two senators from New York work on this issue. I hope they’ll join the republicans. But I doubt it.”

“To me this is a test for Chuck Schumer, where he stands, and what he will say,” he added.

Gillibrand certainly won’t. Even if she acts like Schumer’s puppet sometimes. And it’s doubtful that Schumer will either. It’s a sure bet that Schumer didn’t want this fight, but now that he has it, he will probably confine himself to asking Hagel one or two soundbite questions that he will later be able to use to cover his ass, and go on assuming that he’s not likely to lose the Jewish vote over Hagel. But before that he’ll shake Obama down for something.

Koch explained to The Algemeiner why he decided to back the President’s re-election even though he says he suspected that Obama would backtrack on his pro-Israel overtures. “I did what I thought was warranted and intelligent,” he said, “He was going to win! There was no question about it. I thought it would be helpful to have a Jewish voice there, being able to communicate.”

The Mayor says he has no regrets, “it’s wouldn’t make any difference. The Jews were going to vote for him no matter what. And that’s the nature of the Jews. They are always very solicitous of everybody else except there own needs and community.”

The Jewish vote did drop significantly. Enough that in any previous election that should have been a barometer marking Obama’s defeat. But the demographics changed in this turnout. The Jewish  vote could have cost Obama Florida, but Koch is being realistic about the limits of his ability to move that many votes around. Had Koch been beating the drum against Obama, along with other pro-Israel Liberals, he might have made a difference, but it’s doubtful that it would have changed the final outcome.

Koch was realistic about that, but less realistic about how far Obama could be trusted. Dershowitz, on the other hand, is far less realistic. But then again Dershowitz isn’t really a politician and doesn’t have the same grasp of the territory. He does, like so many others, believe in Obama as a man and an idea… and that makes it hard for him to break with the illusion.

Breitbart News: Does the Hagel nomination represent a slap in the face to the pro-Israel community?

Dershowitz: No–I think it’s a heartfelt decision by the President, based on his personal relationship with Hagel. I think its a policy mistake.

I can already see that the “relationship” meme is going to be brought out by Jewish liberals to comfort themselves about what happened. “It’s not based on policy, but on some deep love that Obama has for Hagel.”

But if Obama is so personally committed to Hagel, why did he wait until Term 2 to do anything real for him? In photos of the two of them together, Hagel and Obama both look uncomfortable. Hagel, more so. There’s no deep relationship there. Hagel is just a Benedict Arnold waiting at the back of the line for his turn. And the real Benedict Arnold found out that no one really likes traitors, but that if they hang around long enough, they can catch a few crumbs from the table.

Breitbart News: Is this a sign of the direction of Obama administration foreign policy in his second term?

Dershowitz: I don’t think so. I hope not. I think this was a personal decision.

Again, Dershowitz is kidding himself. The Hagel and Brennan appointments taken together send a clear message. And it’s the same one James Baker sent.

And there are a number of Democratic Senators, Jewish and non-Jewish, who are opposed but who will either vote for Hagel, if needed, to get him through–or will vote against him if their votes are not needed.

Dershowitz is, unfortunately enough, being realistic here. Democrats likely won’t sink Hagel’s nomination, but may vote against him as a gesture.

Hagel is, in my mind, in the same league as [former Secretary of Defense] Robert Gates, who was appointed by [George W.] Bush, and Casper Weinberger, who was appointed by Reagan. Weinberger was virulently anti-Israel, and Gates was, in my view, the worst Secretary of Defense in modern history, and is largely responsible for why Iran continues to purse its nuclear program, because he had been softer on Iran than anybody.

Dershowitz might want to rethink that analogy. While Gates was more of a fluke, the Reagan Administration did have a significant Anti-Israel contingent. One of the prominent members of that contingent endorsed Hagel.

Now, there is a way out: if Hagel testifies and makes very clear that these are not his views, and that he is completely in favor of military action as a last resort, and that he agrees with President Obama that containment is off the table.

I am hoping to hear that. I was hoping to hear that today. But I did not.

Obama’s whole policy is containment, except when Obama speaks to Jewish groups he spins the sanctions as part of a plan to get Iran to end its nuclear program. But who is kidding who? Sanctions are all about containment. You apply sanctions to a country that you don’t plan to do anything about, but that you don’t want to be seen not doing anything about.

In the Algemeiner, Dershowitz writes further that,

It is also important that the Israeli leadership believes that President Obama really has Israel’s back when it comes to preventing Iran from endangering the Jewish state by obtaining nuclear weapons.  Any loss of trust with this regard may result in an Israeli decision to take unilateral military action to protect its citizens against nuclear attacks.

The Israeli leadership never believed it, but Netanyahu did believe that Romney would win. Now when Netanyahu wins and assembles a stable coalition, then the first order of business will be to use that leverage to move along a unilateral strike to slow down Iran’s nuclear program.

That’s also why Obama is moving Brennan and Hagel into key positions to block Israel’s move.

  • JacksonPearson

    Chuck Hagel is going to be a test for ALL Congressional democrats, vs. Israel.

  • Parenthetical Phrase

    I think Koch realizes he screwed up and he covers his a$$ by saying, "Well, that's how Jews are." He's an old man and I think he realizes he not only misjudged Obama but the whole Democratic machine. Being a politician, though, he can't admit it and apologize. Dershowitz has an ego so large, he could never say, I made a mistake. He will go to his grave thinking everything he did was right and will never ever even consider altering his political viewpoint. It is part of his persona.

  • HCQ

    Cultural Jews = cultural Marxists = Bolsheviks
    Be honest about it. Your country may depend on it; the question is, is the U.S. your country? Or Israel? Both the extreme left and the extreme right have self loathing types. I've see the hatred for Israel from both the left and the right. It is written that Israel would be a stumbling block for the entire world.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      HCQ, Who do you love the most?

      Your mother or your father?

      Which of your children do you love most at the expense of the others?

  • rulieg

    good article, but please–let's get this James Baker quote corrected.

    Baker said to Bush The First, "F— the Jews, they DON'T vote for us anyway."

    what Obama and Company are basically saying is "F— the Jews, they're GOING TO vote for us anyway."

    just thought I'd mention. I've seen it wrong a couple times today.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      rulieg AKBAR!

  • capelady

    Utopian statism is a religion and the progressives, including American Jews, have placed it higher than God or Israel.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Don't forget to include American "Christians" have also placed it higher than God or America.

  • Anonymous

    Of the dupes and stooges, I think Dershowitz is far more culpable (ie, he should have know better, and by continuously making lame excuses for Obama's hatred of Jews, Dershowitz just digs himself into a deeper pit). He needs to own up to the error he has made in assessing Obama's character.

    • NAHALKIDES

      Agreed, but you know, members of the Left seem unable to do this. They just can't give up the utopian dream, no matter how often it fails, no matter the horrors, they still want to believe in the constructive power of brute force. This was the basic point in, for instance, The God That Failed. Dershowitz had a choice between facing the truth about Obama's animus toward Israel and dropping his support or pretending that Obama wasn't really so anti-Israel after all. He chose the latter course.

    • mlcblog

      If only he just could! Liberalism truly is a mental disorder. Layers of pain and denial coupled with rampant and deep idealism.

  • Ben Cohen

    You need an education. No american soldier ever died defending Israel. Israel has fought and won five major wars, and no other military has ever fought on their side in those wars.

    • mlcblog

      Again, BC, you are not making a lot of sense to me.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Hey Koch and Dershowitz,

    Please explain why I saw Obama stabbing the US and Israel in the back but "progressive geniuses" such as yourselves didn't.

    Obama picked Hagel because Moron Paul wasn't available?

    • gerry

      They cannot see further than the tip of their nose and only in a clear deay.I don't feel sorry for them.They duped because thet wanted to be duped.They were screwed because they wanted to be screwed etc etc…..They voted and campaigned for a political liar!

  • kafir4life

    Kapo Schumer has already indicated thru his office that he' VERY interested in picking up where his mentor George Soros, confiscating property from condemned Jews. His office staff believes he'd be very good at it, and I tend to agree.

  • asd2mom

    Kocha nd Dersh should be ashamed of themselves. They betrayed not only their Jewish ancestors by lieing for an antisemite, they betrayed the USA by backing a President who despises everything this nation stands for. They can give testimony all they want before Congress, but they, and the other Obamabot-Jews will be responsible for the Jewish children that will die in Israel. question is does that make them kapos, members of the Judenrat or both?

  • Arlie

    I do not like Schumer…he makes my skin crawl…he's really creepy. Face it, There is only a one party system in America…they are all progressives. Except now, we have Communists and Islamists that have co-opted the "democraps" and we still have a progressive tax system that is unconstitutional. If this isn't the road to h3!!, I'm reading the wrong Bible.

    I only like true Constitutional Conservatives…everyone else is bought and paid for by someone. Politicians are nothing but high paid low class salespeople and have all sold out the American people and our Country to the lowest common denominator temporary personal power.

  • Hava Dishon

    To late now Ed, you are a traitor to the Jewish people.
    Holocaust survivor

  • Silver Gonzalez

    Interesting watching the Anglo world sink to the abyss.

    Within 5 – 10 years, the Anglo world will be an irrelevant piece of crap.

    You are all relying on worhtless fiat paper being printed. Your values are weird and you are easily pushed into using four letter words.

    I am not sure what will replace you but do you ahve any idea what your govt debts really are?? Do you have any idea how little gold you have??

  • W. C. Taqiyya

    Hagel is a side show. Americans elected Obama and Obama is what America is gonna get. Sure, it's gonna be a bumpy ride. But, hitting the same note, time after time after time is very boring and obviously, ineffective. How about taking on some pro-active topics for a change? How about thinking a little bit outside the box? How about a Jews for Cuban Liberation movement? Just saying, you need to do something creative. Singing the same tune to the same small choir is tired, very tired. What Ed Koch thinks? Seriously? Who cares?

  • Gail Appel

    Thanks for the ipso facto regrets, Koch. You had the power to change the course of the election but chose to do the wrong thing.