Every Time Oliver Stone Writes About History, History Dies

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


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For some inexplicable reason USA Today decided to give Oliver Stone some column inches to spew Stalinist drivel that would have sent any Soviet apparatchik to the sink with three fingers in his mouth.

Sadly Oliver Stone is too stupid to be cynical. Too red and too brain dead to feel any shame when pounding out sentences like, “Whatever moral authority the United States gained for helping the Soviets defeat Germany in World War II.”

There are so many things wrong with that sentence, it’s almost hard to list them all. If anything it was the Soviets, former allies of Hitler, who helped the United States defeat Hitler. The Soviet Union was losing a war of attrition that it survived with the help of American supplies. The idea that Soviet troops could have singlehandedly made it to Berlin without a western front is worth less than the leftover cocaine in Stone’s vest pocket.

Worse still, Oliver Stone thinks that the United States gained moral authority from turning over Eastern Europe to brutal dictatorships, rather than from the liberation of Western Europe.

But that’s just one sentence and Stone has a million of them. Or dozens at any rate.

Here’s another one. “The U.S. invasion of Vietnam is the most egregious case of external aggression by any nation in the post-WWII era.”

The only way to characterize Vietnam as an external aggression is by assuming that the Communists were the rightful rulers of Vietnam. Clearly Stone makes that assumption. But even if we take that ugly idea as a given, we are also supposed to assume that the Vietnam War was more egregious than the Soviet interventions in Hungary or Czechoslovakia or the Chinese atrocities in Tibet.

Clearly Oliver Stone thinks so, which tells you all you need to know about what a warped mind we’re dealing with here.

The Vietnam Memorial Wall in D.C. contains the names of 58,272 Americans who died in the war. Its message is that the tragedy of that wretched war was that 58,000 Americans died. The wall is 146 feet long.

Imagine a wall that also contained the names of all the Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians, and others who died. Such a wall would be over 4 miles long. It would not only be a fitting memorial to all the victims of “American exceptionalism,” it would be a perfect tombstone for that most dangerous of American myths.

If Oliver Stone is fond of walls, what about a wall with all the Russians, Chinese and Cambodians, Cubans, North Koreans, Vietnamese and others who died under Communism?

At approximately 100 million names, that wall would be 100 miles long. It would be a fitting memorial to Oliver Stone’s politics and the myth that the left is exceptional in anything but mass murder.

  • glpage

    I’ve always wondered if Cuba or China or the Soviet Union were or are such wonderful examples of a political system why won’t people like Stone and Sean Penn and all the other leftists go live there.

    • Cat’s Meow

      Same with all the Islamophiles and multicultis in the West so eager to import the whole Third World … just go live in the damned place and leave the rest of us in peace.

  • dave_aka_lambsev

    The problems with wars, and war seems to be at the center in this article is motives. What are the reasons for war? War is IMHO the result of moral failure, and not really an acceptable venue in which to gain moral authority. At the best it becomes a necessity to defend one’s life, family and home.

  • tagalog

    Even the Soviet Union in the person of the Great Satan himself, Josef Stalin, said that the Germans were defeated by the Allied nations, not that the Allies helped the USSR defeat the Germans. And Stalin would NEVER have missed an opportunity to paint things in as favorable a tint as he could for the USSR.
    And why is FrontPage Mag following the example of USA Today by giving Oliver Stone an inch of space? Oliver has carved himself out a permanent niche in the Mentally Defective Idiots Hall of Fame long ago. I’m surprised at y’all!

  • A Z

    “Whatever moral authority the United States gained for helping the Soviets defeat Germany in World War II.”

    “There are so many things wrong with that sentence, it’s almost hard to list them all.”

    So if the United States had defeated “National Socialist Workers Party” controlled Germany without the Soviet Union or had done so in a world where the Soviet Union did not exist ipso facto they would have gained no moral authority?

    Does Mr Stone think in such a case the United States should have sat out such a war?

    After all if they gain no moral authority from defeating evil, what would be the point of going to war and losing lives? What would be the alternatives? Going to war and defeating Germany and the rest of the world opinion is that we do not think better nor worse of you. Or going to war and defeating Germany and world opinion of the U.S. is worse as a result. What would be the point?

    Certainly, people like Mr Stone would also gamely and ignorantly argue that Germany was not threat to the U.S. So again I ask what would be the point? If your existence is not at stake and if you go to war against an evil regime and the world is indifferent or thinks less of you?

  • A Z

    The Soviet Union did not pay back any of the material that we gave it during World War 2.

    We gave them approximately 10% of their tank and 90% of their trucks. The trucks were the more important contribution. After a breakthrough many of their advances would simply stall due to a lack f supplies. If they had not had the trucks we gave them would they have had any advances at all?

    Let’s concede that out tanks were not 1st rate. any tank we gave them could be used to protect the flanks of a break out and thus freed up better tanks for the tip of the spear. So the tanks we contributed we helpful.

    The Soviet Union used up all their good will with us and every other “ally” by 1948.

    • A Z

      Conversation with Mr Stone at a dinner party would be a scream in so many ways. If he was not screaming at you or you at him, you would be screaming inside your head about how stupid, ignorant or mendacious he was. Just view an image of the painting “The Scream” by Edvard Munch to see what I would go through If I ever spoke to Oliver Stone.

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      In total, the US deliveries through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials: over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks); 11,400 aircraft and 1.75 million tons of food

      Between June 1941 and May 1945 3,000 Hurricanes were delivered to the USSR along with 4,000 other aircraft, 5,000 tanks, 5,000 anti-tank guns and 15 million boots in total 4 million tonnes of war materials including food and medical supplies were delivered.

      In June 1941 within weeks of the German invasion of the USSR the first British aid convoy set off along the dangerous Arctic sea routes to Murmansk arriving in September. It was carrying 40 Hawker Hurricanes along with 550 mechanics and pilots of No. 151 Wing to provide immediate air defence of the port and train Soviet pilots. After escorting Soviet bombers and scoring 14 kills for one loss, and completing the training of pilots and mechanics,

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#US_deliveries_to_USSR

  • A Z

    The U.S. does not have moral authority per Oliver Stone. Does he think Russia has moral authority?

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    Repayment by USSR / Russia.

    According to a New York Times article, in 1947 the U.S. asked the Soviet Union to pay $1.3 billion as settlement of its Lend-Lease debt. The Soviet Union made a counter-offer to repay just $170 million.

    No repayment at all actually occurred until the Soviets agreed in 1972 to pay $722 million in installments through to 2001. The first Soviet “repayment” installment actually took the form of a deal to buy $750 million in grain from the U.S. But most of the debt remained unpaid when the USSR ceased to exist.

    The Russian Federation inherited the debt from the Soviet Union. In the year 2000, the Russian Federation acknowledged $600 million as still owed to the USA from WW2 L-L accounts. (See “Paris Club” link at 2 below.)

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071203085817AAifnPc

  • EVILHASWONAGAIN

    Real Americans would never let this piece of crap live…..

    • A Z

      Not a helpful comment.

      We can however boycott his business (movies), shun him, refute him often enough so that no one will listen to him. We could also give him a one way ticket to Cuba.

  • A Z

    More stuff to refute Stone with:

    The Soviet Union’s nickname for the M4 medium tank was Emcha because the open-topped figure 4 resembled the Cyrillic letter che or cha (Ч).[citation needed] The M4A2s used by the Red Army were considered to be much less prone to blow up due to ammunition detonation than T-34 (T-34-76), but tended to overturn in road collisions because of much higher center of gravity.

    A total of 4,102 M4A2 medium tanks were sent to the U.S.S.R. under Lend-Lease. Of these, 2,007 were equipped with the 75 mm gun, and 2,095 carried the 76 mm gun. The total number of Sherman tanks sent to the U.S.S.R. under Lend-Lease represented 18.6% of all Lend-Lease Shermans.

    The first 76-mm-armed Shermans started to arrive in Soviet Union in the summer of 1944.[11] In 1945, some units were standardized to depend mostly on them, and not on the ubiquitous T-34: 1st Guards Mechanized Corps, 3rd Guards Mechanized Corps, and 9th Guards Mechanized Corps.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease_Sherman_tanks#USSR

    • tagalog

      …AND Lend-Lease to the USSR began in summer 1941, months before the U.S. was even at war, and while U.S. citizens and politicians were debating whether or not the U.S. should involve itself in yet another European war.

      • A Z

        Politicians were debating. FDR was not.

        FDR was scheming. Given how hard it is to forthrightly say there is a threat on the horizon and we need to prepare to deal with, I do not know that I can vehemently criticize FDR on this one.

        The tyrant of Athens or leading politicians,Themistocles, literally tricked people into building a fleet of ships. He foresaw war with Persia. At least that is the take I saw.

      • Will48

        “yet another European war” precisely the attitude of Nazi Germany appeasers of the right-wing racist WASP elites in the US. Without FDR lend-lease could’ve not happened, Russia would’ve tumbled, the ME would get overrun by Nazis crossing over the Caucasus, England forced into French-like collaborationist peace with the Reich, and then what? The Eastern Hemisphere under Nazi control vs. the Western Hemisphere? Total nuclear war few years later? Who had the rockets, eh? “yet another war” precisely the attitude of today’s Iran appeasers among the isolationist white WASP elites of the US, the Pauls father and son, etc., fed by the Muslim infiltrators “conservatives” ala Grover Norquist, joining with the old guard of Jim “F*ck the Jews, they don’t vote for us” Baker the 3rd, eager to cut deals at Israel’s expense with anything evil under the Sun. Because it is in _their_ interest.

  • http://www.clarespark.com/ Clare Spark

    What else would we expect from Hollywood or from those who hate Hollywood? See http://clarespark.com/2013/09/13/urwands-collaboration-hollywoods-pact-with-hitler/. Lefties are praising this insane new book by Ben Urwand: “Urwand’s THE COLLABORATION: HOLLYWOOD’S PACT WITH HITLER.”

  • Jason

    If he’s so damn fond of walls, why doesn’t he bring the Berlin Wall back? I saw his series, the untold history of the USA, and it was obvious, even to a non American, that he was spouting anti US propaganda. Perhaps if we stopped listening he’d go away?

    • objectivefactsmatter

      The problem is that he has a certain following among certain people already. He doesn’t care if we turn away.

  • Loupdegarre

    Everyone needs to get a copy of Ralph de Toledano’s “Cry Havoc” and read it. Then you will know where this meatball Stone and other Hollywood leftist got there marching orders and what has happened to our eductional system which must be dismantled if we want to save Western Civilization.

  • garyfouse

    Last Saturday Stone and Peter Kuznick came to UC Irvine to presnrt their film, The UNtold Historty of the US.” Total one-sided propaganda. During the q and a, I had a chance to throw a question/comment to Stone.

    http://garyfouse.blogspot.com/2013/10/oliver-stone-at-uc-irvine.html

  • Will48

    you’ve gone completely over the edge on Russia WWII thing. It was lend lease that saved Russia in 1941-1943, but in 1944 they were on the roll, and would have rolled over the whole Europe just as well. Berlin, what Berlin? What about Paris. Not nice, man. Not nice. Stalin _was_ evil, but not the people in the USSR. An average chap in USSR believed in better future and liberation for all; that’s far from being evil (even if the definition of “better” and “free” was wrong, impossible, and evil in itself; still the belief wasn’t evil in itself). OTOH the average German chap did believe in evil ideal of better future for all Aryans by way of death and enslavement of everyone else. Only morally blind won’t see the gaping difference here. So don’t you equate USSR and the Nazis. Just don’t.