Forget Transgender, Get Ready for Transpecies

Insanity. It’s not just a mental illness. It’s also an identity. Men in dresses claim that gender is in the mind, not in the body. If you think you’re a woman, then you are a woman. What used to be a minor form of eccentric insanity has now become educational policy in schools.

But why stop at gender when you can also do species? There are people who believe that their true identity is that of an animal. And who is to say that species isn’t in the mind, just like gender is in the mind?

This isn’t just a thought-experiment or satire. It’s reality.

Species dysphoria is the equivalent of Gender dysphoria. Mentally ill persons with gender dysphoria are fashionably diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder. There is as of yet no Species Identity Disorder, but that is no doubt coming.

Like Trannies, Transpecies Americans create special pronouns for themselves and insist that refusing to pretend that they’re cats or wolves is a hate crime.

Like most newly minted civil rights groups, Trannies are intolerant of Transpecies Americans accusing them of only pretending to think that they’re cats and playing the old, “How dare you compare your pain to my pain and your imaginary identity to my imaginary identity” game.

Men who claim that they were really born women based on their personality insist that the idea of men who claim they were born cats is just nuts.

“Trying to legitimize your “species dysphoria” is despicable and insensitive to people with gender dysphoria,” one site says. “Denial of a biological link to sexuality/gender-identity is harmful to all queer (LGBTQI) people.”

Identity is apparently only in the mind, until you encounter people whose identity is also in the mind and make your mind identity look stupid.

Someone please give me a legitimate hypothesis that could pose an explanation for a human being thinking they are non-human, other than a simple obsession with the animal/creature in question, or mental illness.

Oh the irony. The irony. Also hate crime. And intolerance.

If you are reading this, you are human. You are of the species Homo sapiens. That is a scientific fact, measured objectively by your genes.

Yes and if your chromosomes are male, then that also is a scientific fact measured objectively.

See the problem is that there’s no limit on boundaries once you begin breaking them. Then you can no longer shut the door and say that X is legitimate but Y isn’t. Once you begin claiming that identity is a mental construct, then you can’t begin insisting on the primacy of genetic identity.

If you accept transgender, then you also have to accept transpecies and every other conceivable thing. If a man who believes he’s a woman has a real problem that has to be solved with surgery to make him resemble a woman, then a man who think he’s a dolphin must be given whatever surgery he needs to look like a dolphin.

Tolerance has spoken.

  • AdinaK

    Anyone who doubts that the (mis)education process is not going to jump on this new "victim hood" project, involving a newly minted protected minority, hasn't been paying attention.
    After all, we ARE talking about a Dem machine which wholly supports a domestic terrorist as the "teacher's teacher", as well as a "safe school" czar who is into "man-boy" clubs! Talk about the lunatics running the "educational" asylum!!

    One does have to wonder: which bathroom will this new "species" use…I'm just asking….

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel

    • Ivanj

      I read your profile and you seem to be a person of some education. What on earth are you doing peddling common abuse and tabloid style sensationalism. Whatever your cause it cheapens and demeans it. If you want to be taken seriously, which your profile indicates you do, you need to present a well argued case and leave the cheap gibes to the gutter press.

      I am sure you can do better than this.

  • Mary Sue

    South Park did a great job of ripping this trans-species nonsense to shreds! Meanwhile, the hypocrisy of the Left knows no bounds.

  • JacksonPearson

    God made man in his image. If he wanted them to be differently, than he would have made them that way.

    "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination."
    –(Leviticus 18:22)

    "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God."
    –(Deuteronomy 22:5)

    • ZoeBrain

      You mean like this –

      Yes, some humans naturally change sex. They were made by the Almighty so to do.

      In other news, the Earth isn't a flat circle, nor is it covered by a dome to keep the Waters Above out, despite what's stated in Genesis.

      • Mary Sue

        That's called Intersex, and that's a rare disorder, not a thing to base policy on.

        • ZoeBrain

          1 in 60 people are technically Intersex – though practically, since it takes lab tests to detect that in most cases, 1 in a few hundred is a more useful metric,

          More common than Transsexuality though, and you're trying to apply "the usual rules" as if they were universal truths,and denigrating people who point out that you're wrong.

          With respect, a policy that ignores reality is flawed. It doesn't work.

        • amanda hunter

          its not a disorder its a condition

    • Mary Sue

      ….you don't know what you're talking about.

      Back in those days, having sex was pretty much tantamount to getting married. So if a woman wasn't a virgin before she met the man she was going to marry, the question would be why the hell wasn't she married to the guy that boned her.

      There's certain things you have to understand about the Ancient Near East. They didn't have the same creature comforts and conveniences we have. Society was always one paycheck away from homelessness and utter chaos. Certain things were made illegal because it was harmful to society, end of story. And if you can't figure out why women boning just ANYBODY, in an era with NO reliable birth control WHATSOEVER would be a serious problem for society, then you have a serious problem.

      • ZoeBrain

        I'm glad you admit that the Bible is now largely irrelevant due to changes in society.

        Not all of it. 1 Corinthians 13 is valid universally. Matthew 22:39-40 likewise but as that was based on the words of the Pharisaic Rabbi Hillel some 50 years before, not really surprising.

        In any event, using it as a science textbook is not very helpful. Some of it – most of Genesis for example – was known to be wrong 2300 years ago.

        • Mary Sue

          it's not "irrelevant". I'm simply saying that one cannot simply judge harshly the commandments issued then based on modern provincialstic thought. While the basic injuctions are still in effect, it's the penalties that are not as severe because it isn't necessary for them to be so harsh. There was no welfare back then, no Big Daddy Government, no Barack OSantaClaus.

          It's not a science book, but it's been proven correct many times it's talked about things related to science.

    • Miss82

      Just means trans people were here first.

  • AlgerHiss

    To be bi-specied and octa-gendered would be my dream.

  • Edward Cline

    This column and the video would be funny if they weren't serious. But, as Daniel points out, once the barriers have been removed from objectivity, there's no limit to the insanity one will find beyond the realms of sanity.

  • Toni_Pereira

    I, for one, Wellcome the next good samaritan cause of the leader of the western world: Inter-species marriage. It's time to abandon that nasty concept that humans are so different from ani,er..non-humans. Any person who wish to formalize his love for his pet should have the right to do it so, without the prejudices of this backward society(I have an hot relationship with a chicken that caused me a few trips to the local police station). In the name of liberal priggi…er…wisdom, let's begin to push this urgent cause to the political agenda and whoever says otherwise is a bigot!

  • RUI

    Another example of how the left is self-defeating and self-destructing. Truly, the gift that keeps on giving!

  • Marylou

    Can the LGBTQI designation finally get some more letters now? To deny them to it would be nothing short of racist. Or specist. Or … .

  • REZ

    You can put a monkey in a dress……but it's still a monkey.

  • Rita

    teeeeheeee…. as much as you so often put the finger right into some quite ugly hearts of a matter, your writing still makes me giggle. Thank you Daniel Greenfield.

  • Larry H

    If you want to be a bird. by the Holy Modal Rounders. from Easy Rider (1969).

  • ivanj

    This is a rather silly article which uses what purports to be logic with a complete ignorance of the very considerable body of anthropological and neurological research which supports the theory behind gender dysphoria. Frankly it is the sort of poor stuff we see in the lower end red tops in the UK.

    • Mary Sue

      Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder, nothing more. To wit, the affected person is Bats*** insane.

      • ZoeBrain

        The medical profession thinks otherwise, and has the MRI and PET scan data to back them up.

        Male–to–female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus. Kruiver et al J Clin Endocrinol Metab (2000) 85:2034–2041
        The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.

        A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity. by Garcia-Falgueras et al Brain. 2008 Dec;131(Pt 12):3132-46.
        We propose that the sex reversal of the INAH3 in transsexual people is at least partly a marker of an early atypical sexual differentiation of the brain and that the changes in INAH3 and the BSTc may belong to a complex network that may structurally and functionally be related to gender identity.

        White matter microstructure in female to male transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment. A diffusion tensor imaging study. – Rametti et al, J Psychiatr Res. 2010 Jun 8.
        CONCLUSIONS: Our results show that the white matter microstructure pattern in untreated FtM transsexuals is closer to the pattern of subjects who share their gender identity (males) than those who share their biological sex (females). Our results provide evidence for an inherent difference in the brain structure of FtM transsexuals.

        etc etc etc

        Your opinion is based on… what, exactly? Feelings?

        • Mary Sue


          It's based on the fact that the APA ditched homosexuality as a mental disorder NOT based on science, but on response to pressure by activists. Nothing more. There was no new research that "proved" that homosexuality was suddenly not a mental disorder.

          Nobody's denying that hormones don't affect the brain. However, the answer isn't to mutilate yourself to indulge your fantasy. However you seem to be denying that changes in brain structure DON'T make a person batsh** insane (which it most certainly CAN AND DOES!)

  • Steve D

    Oh yeah? What about trans kingdom; "I'm a fungus!" or even trans domain; "I'm a bacteria!"?
    BTW Ivan; the article is silly. It was meant to be. There is probably no such thing as gender dysphoria. Examine the research carefully; it is very poorly done and can easily admit multiple interpretations as can most of modern psychology.

  • Lily

    If chromosomes mean everything, please explain complete androgen insensitivity syndrome. I dare you. Double dog dare you.

    • ZoeBrain

      I think that concept goes right over their heads. They *know* XX=female, XY=male, and anyone who says otherwise is obviously a commie out to destroy society, and to attack all God-fearing White Folks.

      "Patients: A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis. " — The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism January 1, 2008 vol. 93 no. 1 182-189

      All this Science stuff about the Earth being round, and so on – it's all an Anti-Religious plot by Evil-utionists. They don't need so-called "science" textbooks.

      I could be being too cynical here. But I don't think so. They know what they know, and anything contradicting "common sense" – like the Earth not being flat – they reject.

      • Toni_Pereira

        Maybe so, but anyone who takes Geography as analogy to Neuroscience is certainly a pseudo-intellectual. Crawl back to Alternet, Salon or whatever hole you came from, idiot!

    • Mary Sue

      This is a disorder. One with an organic cause. As such, it differs from the people who are, you know, bats*** insane (like furries).

      • ZoeBrain

        A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality. by Zhou et al Nature (1995) 378:68–70.

        Our study is the first to show a female brain structure in genetically male transsexuals and supports the hypothesis that gender identity develops as a result of an interaction between the developing brain and sex hormones

        This too has an organic cause.

        • Mary Sue

          That still doesn't mean it doesn't cause BATSH** INSANITY!

          The body doesn't match the brain? It's a delusion caused by hormones which caused brain DAMAGE. Damage because it changed it into something it's NOT SUPPOSED TO BE.

          If a person showed the same brain structure as a donkey and started acting like an ass, should we give him surgery to make him more jackass-like? With ears, tail, and hooves?

          • ZoeBrain

            Women are not brain damaged just because they have female brains.

  • Steve D

    And Ivan, if they wanted, I'm sure they could 'prove' species dysphoria.

  • Kathy

    Would lycanthropy be like transpecies? :)

  • GinaGrahame

    Daniel, next time you you have a thought?.. Let it go. Remember, it's better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

  • Esen Mau

    It's easy to sit in the stands, look and yell from the bleachers. Give comments without thought or responsibility. Yet as much as you yell and wave; this will not change the facts. I understand that you are ignorant and unaware of the medical reality that is associated with G.I.D.
    So please take the time and do some research. Oh….and please remember that south park along with other cartoons does not constitute proper research. Attending an accredited medical facility would be a good start.
    Just saying……

    • Mary Sue

      The medical reality, apart from some physical defects that cause the condition known as Intersex, which IS NOT the same as Trans, TYVM, is that these people are insane. Crazy. Cuckoo. A few fries short of a happy meal.

  • ZoeBrain

    Maybe this might help understanding?

    Sexual Hormones and the Brain: An Essential Alliance for Sexual Identity and Sexual Orientation Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35

    The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in extreme cases in trans-sexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.

    • Mary Sue

      so then the solution is FIXING the damage done by the hormones in the brain, not by destroying the genitals.

      • ZoeBrain

        Good idea. How? You'd need to alter brain structure at the sub-cellular level. Conferring immortality, curing cancer etc is far easier.

        Sorry, you can't change facts because you find them ideologically inconvenient. Reality gets in the way.

        • Mary Sue

          No, you simply go with the hormones that are appropriate for the existing genitals. That'll fix the problem.

          • ZoeBrain

            Nope. That doesn't change the brain structure set in the womb in these areas. It does in some, just not these ones. Once you've made an omelette, there's no amount of cooking that will turn it back into an egg.

            See these papers on the subject:

            Changing your sex changes your brain: influences of testosterone and estrogen on adult human brain structure by Pol et al, Europ Jnl Endocrinology, Vol 155, suppl_1, S107-S114 2006
            –Results: Compared with controls, anti-androgen + estrogen treatment decreased brain volumes of male-to-female subjects towards female proportions, while androgen treatment in female-to-male subjects increased total brain and hypothalamus volumes towards male proportions.

            Size is changed – but not proportions of cell types.

            Neuroimaging Differences in Spatial Cognition between Men and Male-to-Female Transsexuals Before and During Hormone Therapy by Scoening et al J Sex Med. 2009 Sep 14.
            Conclusions. Our results confirmed previously reported deviances of brain activation patterns in transsexuals from men without GID and also corroborated these findings in a group of transsexual patients receiving cross-sex hormone therapy. The present study indicates that there are a priori differences between men and transsexual patients caused by different neurobiological processes or task-solving strategies and that these differences remain stable over the course of hormonal treatment.

            Sexual differentiation of human behavior: Effects of prenatal and pubertal organizational hormones Sheri A. Berenbaum, Adriene M. Beltz Frontiers in Neuroendocrinology 32 (2011) 183–200

            A key question concerns the extent to which sexual differentiation of human behavior is influenced by sex hormones present during sensitive periods of development (organizational effects), as occurs in other mammalian species. The most important sensitive period has been considered to be prenatal, but there is increasing attention to puberty as another organizational period, with the possibility of decreasing sensitivity to sex hormones across the pubertal transition. In this paper, we review evidence that sex hormones present during the prenatal and pubertal periods produce permanent changes to behavior.
            There is good evidence that exposure to high levels of androgens during prenatal development results in masculinization of activity and occupational interests, sexual orientation, and some spatial abilities; prenatal androgens have a smaller effect on gender identity, and there is insufficient information about androgen effects on sex-linked behavior problems. There is little good evidence regarding long-lasting behavioral effects of pubertal hormones, but there is some suggestion that they influence gender identity and perhaps some sex-linked forms of psychopathology, and there are many opportunities to study this issue.

      • Cassington

        You may have misinterpreted the article. The brain is not damaged; its sexualization simply does not match the biological sex of the genitals. In such a case, do you believe the genitals are more important than the brain, and that the latter should be tampered with and altered in order to match the former?

        • Zoe Brain

          “do you believe the genitals are more important than the brain, and that the latter should be tampered with and altered in order to match the former? ”

          Yes, that’s exactly what she believes.

          • Mary Sue

            I believe that brain damage is brain damage, and that mutilation via surgery doesn't correct the underlying problem.

            Michael Coren has often had a guest on his show on Sun News. This guest is a male to female trans sexual who reverted back to male and regretted getting surgery because HE finally realized it was a FANTASY.

          • ZoeBrain

            Having a feminine brain doesn't mean you're brain damaged.

            As for the case you mention – we know that there's a 2% failure rate in treatment, mainly due to misdiagnosis. One swallow does not a summer make.

            In cases like this particular case – late transitioning, gynephillic – the success rate is only 80%. The case is borderline, and one time in 5, we get it wrong and give treatment we shouldn't. 2 times in 5 though, we don't give treatment when we should, and the patient dies as the result.

            Had this person been shorter than 6' 2", and had they not looked like " man in a dress" after transition (to use Michael Coren's own words) perhaps treatment might have been successful.

          • Cassington

            Does Michael Coren ever have guests on his show from the 98% of transsexuals who are leading happier, more fulfilling lives after surgery?

        • Mary Sue

          uh yeah, it's DAMAGED. By the wrong kind of hormones. Slicing up the genitals to fit whatever hallucination the brain is having is not fixing the problem. You get the RIGHT kind of hormones and fix it with that.

          • ZoeBrain

            If you intervene during pregnancy, yes, that's what the animal experiments say.

            After the 5th month though – the course is set.

            We can't detect Transsexuality in the womb though, not yet. So we'd have to treat all fetuses, which would damage those not Transsexual.

            In the case of opposite-sex twins, we face a no-win situation. Masculinise both or feminise both.


            Prenatal exposure to testosterone and functional cerebral lateralization: a study in same-sex and opposite-sex twin girls. Cohen-Bendahan et al, Psychoneuroendocrinology. 2004 Aug;29(7):911-6.

            In animals it has been shown that exposure to sex hormones is influenced by intrauterine position. Thus fetuses located between two male fetuses are exposed to higher levels of testosterone (T) than fetuses situated between two female fetuses or one female and one male fetus. In a group of opposite-sex (OS) twin girls and same-sex (SS) twin girls a potential effect of prenatal exposure to testosterone (T) on functional cerebral lateralization was investigated. We hypothesized that prenatal exposure to T would result in a more masculine, i.e. a more lateralized pattern of cerebral lateralization in OS twin girls than in SS twin girls. An auditory-verbal dichotic listening task (DLT) was used as an indirect method to study hemispheric specialization. Firstly, we established a sex difference on the DLT. Compared with SS girls, OS twin boys showed a more lateralized pattern of processing verbal stimuli. Secondly, as predicted OS girls had a more masculine pattern of cerebral lateralization, than SS girls. These findings support the notion of an influence of prenatal T on early brain organization in girls.

  • Michelleiscorrect

    Cassington, why do you care so much about other peoples genitals?

    • Cassington

      Perhaps my comment wasn’t clear; I was disagreeing with Mary Sue’s remark that the brain should be “fixed” to match the genitals. I believe the brain is more important.

      • Mary Sue

        Brain damage is brain damage. It's easier to fix brain damage and less painful than mutilating genitals. A man can't be given ovaries; a woman cannot be given testicles, therefore, pointless.

        • ZoeBrain

          "It's easier to fix brain damage"

          Just plain obviously wrong. Seriously, what on Earth makes you think that? Where did you get such a notion from?

          I know I'm stating the obvious here, but such a statement as your goes well beyond "medically ill-informed" into "crass stupidity".

        • amanda hunter

          they are not brain damaged. and pumping testosterone in to an adult transsexual will do nothing.

  • njartist49

    Then the man who thinks he may be a hat, may be a hat: and who are we to judge.
    So what do you do when a man who thinks he is a cat wears a man who thinks he is a hat?

    Or, if a man who thinks he is a fox decides to devour a man who thinks he is chicken?

  • Cassington

    I'm troubled by the degree to which this article disregards or distorts scientific facts in an attempt to equate transsexuality with insanity.

    As explained in Zoe's post above, the natural process of fetal development may result in an individual's brain being biologically female while their genitals are biologically male, or vice versa. In other words, yes, Daniel, it is possible to have a woman's mind in a male body. Such an individual's "belief" that they are female is no more delusional or insane than your "belief" that you are male, and results from the same biological processes.

    Even more troubling, perhaps, than the article's lack of scientific understanding is its use of derogatory language and ad hominem attacks against the transgender and transsexual community. The article mocks and belittles men for wearing dresses in order to support its argument that men should not wear dresses. Such logical phallacies are hardly the basis of a reasonable discussion. (How do you feel about women wearing pants, by the way?)

    I do not see what positive result can be achieved by such hostile attacks, and I encourage you to treat others, especially those you may not understand, with compassion and respect rather than ridicule.

    • Mary Sue

      Because it is a delusion. Delusions are caused by incorrect perceptions which are DUN DUN DUN, CAUSED BY BATS*** INSANITY.

      I've noticed that people who are delusional about one thing, are often delusional about other things as well. Such as policy on the economy.

      • Cassington

        Well, I certainly can't argue against that after you so carefully addressed my main points.

        You're right, though; this is indeed a political article. It's simply unfortunate when political ideologies preempt rational thought, and engender condemnation and persecution of our fellow human beings. Too many tragedies throughout history have been caused by one group attempting to enforce their beliefs or way of life on another.

        I hope one day we can learn to accept and respect each other's differences instead of attacking them.

  • Furryhater

    Damn furries and their whining.

    Just ignore them and hope they go away.. if you have kids, make sure you educated them to the wiles of the furries and the dangers posed by such creepers. Look at any furry website to be "educated". Creeps, paedophiles, rapists.. all is ok to them.


    • Ivanj

      A member of the NRA I take it?

      • Toni_Pereira

        45 and still living on your mama's house, hey?

    • Mary Sue

      Interesting statistic: Over half of all self-identified furries are gay males whose characters are female.

      • ZoeBrain

        …and one you just made up, right?


  • anarchic teapot

    "Mentally ill persons with gender dysphoria are fashionably diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder."

    The American Psychiatrists' Assocation, rather more qualified than Mr Greenfield, disagrees. As do other specialists in the field.

    Greenfield should not parade his ignorance as fact, epecially when it hurts others.

  • Nat

    As a transgender person, perhaps I can provide some insight into this issue. The biggest problem is that you are comparing humans to animals. Although it shouldn’t have to be said, humans are not animals. A man “wanting to be a woman” or vice versa is not akin to a man “wanting to be a cat”. Men are not frogs, women are not elephants, so wanting to be a man or a woman just doesn’t equal wanting to be an animal. Transgender people definitely do not want to be animals. That being said, I really don’t think there is any significant movement of “people who want to be animals” that you need to worry about.

    Of course, you suggest that I am just as insane as these people who want to be animals so why should you believe me? I’ll tell you a little about myself and hopefully you will see that transgender people aren’t so crazy after all. I have a mom and a dad who have been happily married for 30 years. We grew up in central Indiana in a small town. On Sundays I went to church and my mom is actually a teacher at a Catholic school. My dad enjoys hunting and hiking and is, believe it or not, an NRA member. As I type this, I am sitting on a couch in my parent’s living room right now! My sister has a 2 year old son and I love him a lot; I babysat him yesterday. Growing up I got good grades, played sports, and didn’t cause too much trouble. Right now, I live in Chicago, IL and I work for a consulting company. Next fall I’m going to go to graduate school. Nothing too crazy there, right?

    And, of course, I was born male but now live my life as a woman. I take hormones to change my body, have changed my name, and most people can’t tell anything is amiss. I’m very open about it and whenever someone expresses romantic intrest in me I always tell them. Why did I do this? The simple (and cliche) answer is that I simply am a woman. Even with male parts I knew I was a woman. My family could tell something wasn’t right from an early age. If I had to live my life as a man I would have killed my self. There are medicines that can treat this “disorder” and they are called estrogen and anti-androgens (testosterone). I am so much happier now than I have every been in my entire life.

    So, make of that what you will. But I hope that explanation helped you become more familiar with transgender people and you won’t regard us with such hostility and confusion in the future.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      And men are not women and women are not men.

      The distance between a man and a woman may be less than that between a man and a frog and that between a frog and a microbe may still be greatest… but you still cannot turn one inot the other.

      • Eve

        But to say that chromosomes dictate whether we can express ourselves as male or female is ridiculous and cowardly. At the very least, take responsibility for your bigotry; if you don't like transpeople, then just own up to it… don't claim you don't like us because our shoes don't match our chromosomes.

        Also, as a heads up, simply referring to a transperson as their birth sex/biological sex isn't a hate crime… to get to that status, you'd have to go from using incorrect pronouns, or being confused (which I'm sure is no rare occurrence for you) to calling us out in a harmful way, or forcing behaviors in a cruel manner… or running us over.

        • Mary Sue

          because catering to the fantasy causes more problems than it fixes. Insane people are insane. If they're insane about this particular aspect of themselves, they will invariably be insane about politics in general.

      • Cassington

        Which is precisely why Nat could not live as a man, no matter how hard she tried. From birth (before birth, in fact, as explained in previous posts) her mind has always been naturally, biologically female. If we agree that the mind and not the body contains the essence of an individual, then a woman may be born with the body of a man. I am sorry if this fact conflicts with your own beliefs or ideology, but that does not make it less of a fact.

        To Nat, thank you for sharing your story here with such openness and grace. I hope it helps foster understanding and respect for the experiences of transgendered individuals.

        • Mary Sue

          Needs more male hormones then, DUHHHH.

          • amanda hunter

            its been tried before does not work, it will only make things worse for the person

    • Mary Sue

      Humans are not animals? What about Ingrid Newkirk with her "A pig is a dog is a rat is a boy"?

    • Mary Sue

      Why didn't you load up on MALE hormones so that you'd actually start to think like a guy?

  • Ivanj

    Reading Nat's story we have a first hand account of a compassionate, family orientated person who is making a contribution to society and is happy and fulfilled. Surely such people are an example to us all, living life according to their personal needs and doing no-one harm. Is that not what America is supposed to be about, freedom?


    You just have to be a jewish white man. I mean you simply gotta be. You know, walking around with your atomistic "objective" science which you use to disinherit people of their lands, resources and identities… oh yes, I mean wasn't it the white science that was used to bio-medically regulate the bodies of black people and diagnose with the "Drapetomanai" a condition that purportedly was caused (according to white scientists/land robbing colonists) when slaves got too familiar with their slave owners? Or yes…. how about the Sterilization Act that was used against non white people, in particular Indigenous women whose foetuses your land robbing ancestors would tear from their womb because your science once again biologized them as sub human? Wasn't that the very proxy that was used to depopulate the African continent or Australia, New Zealand and India? You speak with such arrogance however you are nothing more than a derelict diseased dog who is a parasite to the very environment. Gender has always has a complex role in all ancient civilations, from the creator God of Egypt (the great he she who created the 9 gods of the Egyptian heliopolis) to the 8 immortals of China, one of whom is a gender variant eunuch… come to think of it the ying and yang symbol is a celebration of such a sacred synergy, to the ancient gods across the Meso Americas most famous of which is Quetzalcoatl. Come to think of it all Indigenous gods have an intersexed nature however you wouldn't understand that now would you? Noooo… of course you wouldn't because you are so absorbed by your toxic judeo-christian, capitalistic, patriarchal culture that is about the supremacy of the white nuclear family. Right? Ever heard of Adolf Hitler you decripit vermin from hell? Oh yes he was one of those who used his sexist, mysoginistic Eurocentric beliefs to target millions of jews including gender variant people because in his white supremacist eyes

    • Mary Sue

      have you been listening to Calypso Louis? Better stop drinking his purple koolaid.

      gods are above gender.

      And quit with the identity politics, it is NOT helping you or anyone.

    • Sophie Grace

      Amen, sister! I get tired of these poor transphobic, deeply in denial people dissing us as we courageously pursue the steps that not only help us but maintain us as functioning and valuable contributors to the civilization that this parasite purports to be a member of. I don't fall for the ignorant crap these idiots spout. If they are in denial, they should seek treatment for whatever their disease is. If they are trying to infect me, I reject it. Good for you. thank you for speaking eloquently on our behalf!

  • Marylou

    Poor Daniel! Explain a line of logic and they come right after you. I didn't realize you had so many trolls. Well, maybe they will learn something while they are here, as soon as they get the name-calling out of their systems.

  • D OMally

    Wow. This is a textbook case example of "How to use logical fallacies 101" to make an argument for comparing two related but distinctly different properties: gender and species. Gender is birthed in the womb and brought to maturity through hormones post-birth. Physically, anything that can go wrong does….including endocrine defects that result in disparate hormones being released that results in the state of being transgender. Correcting this physically incongruent condition can hardly be compared with a desire to morph from human to animal.

    Oh….this article is also an example of how the internet can be a tool for the dissemination of material worthy of the garbage heap.

  • Heather

    This article belongs on a picket sign with those westboro baptist church nutcases. Do you think Transgendered individuals WANT to transition? Do you know what it's like to wake up every day and feel wrong in your own skin? It's a scary process to transition. You think it's insanity? perhaps it is? But what is it that ails you, because you're suffering from something far worse. hate and prejudice. There's a special place in hell reserved for the likes of you and your kind.

  • Matthew leach

    Well do you know what it’s like to be a “women stuck in a guys body”…….no? Then don’t write silly articles about it then. You simply don’t understand it and you probably never will. Also saying that gender dysphoria is a “mental illness” is as ignorant as it is stupid. I can also poke holes in your logic. Like arguably gender is both a physical thing as it is a mental thing so people who have mental gender that differs from their physical gender may have a good case for saying that they are at least partly women. There is also no true evidence that the mind and the body are identical in the first place. For the time being there are only ideas and the mind is an anomaly in every sense of the word. I don’t know whether transsexuals are apparently crazy like transpecies people who you seem all so happy to demonise. One thing for sure is that people like you are just a crazy as the transphobic radical feminists like Janice Raymond. Your primitive way of thinking should have died out in its entirety in the 1950s.

    • Frank

      What about being a wolf trapped in a man’s body. Do you know what that’s like?

      Species is more than DNA. It’s also in the mind.

      • Zaron

        The thing is, people did actual studies that equated transitioning to the sex people identify as as dramatically decreasing suicide and depression rates. They’re depressed because they’re the wrong gender, transition, and live a happy life as the gender they were meant to be. Nobody is harmed in this process.
        If it’s demonstrated to be the same for trans species people, then fine.

      • Bob

        This is a tired argument that people constantly bring up thinking they are clever. Trans-Species. Let’s make transsexuals feel like they are absurd by equating them. Doesn’t resonate, sorry.

    • Robert California

      Funny how this person can post a wall of text filled with conjecture and ad hominem attacks and claim the moral high ground on the basis of some childish notion of “tolerance”, while concluding that the people who disagree with them should die.

      Still think mental illness is irrelevant to the “transgender” debate?

  • DanaAndra

    This hateful little “article” is more about that the author’s transphobia than anything having to do with people claiming to be trans-species. No respectable or semi-intelligent article on this topic would use words like “trannie,” or try to pass off opinion as fact. Just another hater who has no clue what he’s talking about.

    • Mo86

      Why are you transpeciesphobic? Who are you to tell someone they are not transspecies if that is what they think and feel? Why are you intolerant of them?

      • baal

        Again with the typical Mo86 tactics! Couldn’t you have just not posted and yet here you are again being liar and having to copy/paste!

    • Moonshot

      Calling people hateful to discredit their arguments is intellectually dishonest, as is claiming that a person who thinks he is a she or she is a he is not mentally ill. I was married to a man who decided to become a woman, he is severely mentally ill and it all revolves around his gender expression….I get along with him okay and think I am probably his best friend ever, but I will tell you, he does say the word “tranny”….I don’t think you get to dictate as a minority group what is hateful in terms of speech. Now if the word was preceded by explicatives that might be hate speech…I can be hateful without using any politically incorrect terms. I think the author made a relevant point. How far must we open our minds…until our brains fall out? It is enough to just be tolerant and not make life worse for others and that applies to transsexuals and everyone, if what you are doing is hurtful then make amends for that or do not do it. I have a good life, but my children have suffered throughout their lives as a result of their dad deciding to be a woman and not the father they knew when they were young. It is not possible to get society to buy in to the identity and I think that is the point the article makes, we wouldn’t have buy in for a catwoman or catman like we are begining to have at least superficially and in media for transgendered.

      • Thorne Melcher

        1) Just because being transgender is not a mental illness doesn’t mean that transgender people don’t have mental illnesses.

        2) Just because she says the word tranny doesn’t mean that it isn’t often used as a slur.

        3) Transgender people literally have brains with specific traits of the other gender, something impossible in the case of otherkins, given humans do not have the genetic capacity to produce them.

        4) The best way to prevent unfortunate instances like with your children is to promote trans acceptance, because if society was accepting, he would not have tried to fight it and live a life as a man.

        • WhatsThe Porpoise

          But if we descended from eg chimps, dolphins, mice etc, dont we have some of their DNA still in us? This is where evolution can take a mind… to think we actually have dolphin Dna in us allows us to think we have dolphin traits, ney, dolphin personalties!

          • evelyn

            hello friend do you understand evolution

          • Brunhilda

            hello, do you understand human brains? There is no such thing a s a ‘female’ brain or a ‘male’ brain, and to say so is inherantly sexist, the same as if someone said they had a ‘negro brain’ or a ‘white brain.’
            The difference in brain shape comes from size and then from hormones; if you are a bigger person, your brain will be slightly different structurally, because otherwise it would collapse under its own weight; ergo, a 6 foot tall woman will have the same brain structure as a 6 foot tall man, and a 5 foot tall man will have the same structure as a 5 foot tall woman.
            There are hormonal differences as well which a) change over your life (aka, kids have the same brain structure, regardless of sex, ergo, you CANNOT be born with the opposite sex’s brain structure), and b) COME FROM YOUR GENITALIA. Women who are between age 15-50 (menstruating women) have bigger hypothalamuses than men, and/or women who are not menstruating, because of their hormones.
            If you give a man estrogen, his hypothalamus will get bigger. But guess what? THAT DOESN’T NEC. CHANGE HOW HE ACTS.

            The fact of the matter is, brain structure really doesn’t matter in regard to functionality, because the brain is plastic, and there is NO WAY for a biological male to have a ‘female brain’ because there is no such thing as a female brain.

            The constant statements that there is a ‘female’ and a ‘male’ brain is neurosexism, and is just used to reinforce the sexist stereotypes that women have inherant biological personality characteristics (being bad at math, liking shopping, etc.), ignoring the fact that sex stereotypes in regard to behavior are socially constructed.

      • Folly

        Calling people hateful to discredit their arguments?
        Oh, irony. Thy name is LGBTQHIVLOLOMGBBQ. I think that you also answer to hypocrite, too.

    • Wangchuck

      Your’e transpeciesphobic, and I suggest you check your privileged at once, it’s very hateful and not nice at all

    • Sun

      What a transspeciephobic bigot you are Dana. Stop hating people who are different than you. CHECK YOUR HUMAN PRIVILEGE SHITLORD!

  • Biggz

    This has existed for as long as human kind itself. There are stories throughout ancient history although a lot has been done to cover it up. It’s not the Operation or the Hormone therapy or Name change or societal acceptance that makes it what it is. Transsexual neurology exists weather or not they do anything about it. Gender differences in neurology are real but subtle. That’s just how it is. Radical feminists have done a lot to deny this because they see it as a threat. Again-SUBTLE- that’s all. It’s Psychosexual. It’s in the wiring. In ancient times in tribal days many clans would accept that they identify this way and that is how they functioned with respective roles. Other times same as today they are also disowned and shunned, but either way it is what it is. The operations don’t MAKE the person who they are and they are well aware they will never be cis-gendered in their identified gender. So no need to keep pointing that out, it’s not disputed. That would be the definition of someone who IS delusional if they thought otherwise. It is of course what the brain wants, to fully align and be cis-gendered and reproductive as identified, but it’s not a current reality, probably never will be. The operations and hormone therapy etc. just like treatment for many other medical conditions, is just about quality of life. Life is short enough. If you want to argue that it’s mutilation and NOT natural, well your right. In nature without any of our technology or inventions just about everything in our modern life isn’t natural. That doesn’t mean “these people” wouldn’t exist, they would. It’s happens, it’s the roll of the dice. Same as many other conditions people are born with as well : conjoined twins, blind, deaf, extra or missing digits or limbs, intersexed, etc. Medical treatment Is just about quality of life. Often saving the life as well.

    • CCTM10

      Whoa…. what big claims you have, care to give some references?? If he cannot go on periods then he is a man, not a woman.

      • forgot-about-income-taxes

        I see. So post-menopause, women turn into men. Got it.

        • CCTM10

          Post-menopause…… another phenomenon that happens only to women. It means they did go on periods though doesn’t it. These men will never experience that… this is not that complicated

          • forgot-about-income-taxes

            Oh, okay – so one has to have “gone through” all female experiences to be a woman, then. Therefore, women who were born infertile aren’t really women, either. Got it, thanks, not complicated at all!

          • CCTM10

            They still have wombs don’t they? And lots of infertile women still menstruate.
            These people should learn to accept themselves instead of going that far to change yourself.
            Tolerating stupidity isn’t a human right.

          • forgot-about-income-taxes

            You keep shifting the boundaries to fit your preconceived notions. First it was periods, then “female-only” phenomena, now wombs. You either just can’t make up your mind about your definition of what a woman is, or you can’t seem to accept that every classification system has gray areas with exceptions to the rules; that there will always be people who don’t quite fit in either category, and will differ in opinion with you over which they feel more comfortable in.

            “These people” do accept themselves. As transgender. You’re the one who seems to have trouble accepting them. Why should they tolerate your stupid opinions about how they should live their lives?

          • CCTM10

            I have the same problem accepting them as I do murderers, rapists and pedophiles. No woman is born a man and vice versa, this used to be common sense. If a man accepts to be a woman that is what we call a mental patient. Stop trying to normalize the abnormal.
            The media has really screwed up with your head. Shame.

          • forgot-about-income-taxes

            Murders, rapists and pedophiles hurt people. To equate being transexual with that is the real sign of mental problems. What’s so hard about accepting people who are different than you when they cause no one any harm? Stop trying to project your own insecurities as ‘normal.’ Shame indeed.

          • CCTM10

            What of Marijuana dealers, who do they hurt??
            We cant just bow down to every new craze that pops up. What will the world be like in 50years if everyone is allowed to do as they please??? Order is needed. I will gladly agree to disagree with you, why would one man want to go up another’s plumbing??? You call that normal??

          • forgot-about-income-taxes

            Who do marijuana dealers hurt? No one, go check out Denver – surprisingly the social order hasn’t unraveled and the economy’s booming with legal pot. You seem a bit paranoid as to what the consequences of allowing these sorts of things will actually be.

            No one’s saying you or anyone else is required to do these things or find them appealing. Most people don’t like anchovies, but we aren’t making laws banning people from eating them. Who cares if a couple of guys are going up each other’s plumbing? What difference does it make to you?

          • CCTM10

            So if someone wants to die and they ask someone with a desire to kill to end their life that would be okay because both parties agreed to it?
            Society needs order and security from the extremists and mentally unstable.

          • forgot-about-income-taxes

            Yes, it would, and it’s already legal in certain states, look up “death with dignity” acts. There is zero evidence that acceptance of transgenderism leads to any sort of widespread social disorder, that’s your own personal paranoia talking.

          • CCTM10

            Good thing is there is still democracy. Lets see what the supreme court says. Also there is no evidence that homosexuality is genetic, its just a bad choice that’s all.
            And there is research spanning decades about people who believe in their heads that they are of the opposite sex.

          • forgot-about-income-taxes

            While it’s true that there isn’t a conclusive scientific position on the exact causes of homosexuality, there is definitely strong evidence that biology plays a role, and most scientists believe it’s a combination of biological and social factors:


            But the cause really has nothing to do with the ethics involved. If two same-sex adults wilfully agree to have sex with each other, what’s bad about that? Who does it harm? They’re not forcing anyone else to do it that doesn’t want to, they’re just doing something together that they both enjoy.

            There is certainly also research regarding transgenderism, and as I pointed out to you in another comment, the result of that research is that there’s nothing about the condition that qualifies it as a disorder.

          • Facts

            Psychopaths are also not at all distressed by their condition, but are you going to claim that they are not mentally ill?!

          • forgot-about-income-taxes

            They may not be distressed, but they still have a *disability* that causes harmful antisocial behavior. This is not the case with transgendered people.

          • Bob

            Shame on you Sir/Madame

          • CCTM10

            Let me simplify it for you, a woman is someone who doesn’t need to undergo surgery to be called one.
            If you were born a man then you can never be a woman, you can pretend to be one but you will never be so. Even after surgery trannies still seem weird, you can pick them up without being told, why??? Because it’s just not natural.

          • forgot-about-income-taxes

            >Even after surgery trannies still seem weird, you can pick them up without being told

            You seem pretty sure of that. How do you know there haven’t been cases where you couldn’t tell? Do you double-check every person you think is a woman walking down the street?

            >Let me simplify it for you, a woman is someone who doesn’t need to undergo surgery to be called one.

            Okay – so, in that case, take someone who’s born intersex, with both male and female genitals. They decide they want to be a woman, and have surgery to remove the male genitals. Post-surgery, they have a complete set of fully functioning female biology they were naturally born with, and no male genital parts whatsoever. Still want to say that’s not a woman, even though surgery was needed?

          • CCTM10

            Your example is a very specific case, just like when a child is born with cleft lip or 6 toes, that is a disability which needs surgical intervention to rectify. We are talking about trannies here and you know what those are.
            You are entertaining mentally disturbed people as normal and someone needs to call a spade a spade. Truly soon we will accept those who feel they are a dog trapped in a human body and offer them surgery.

          • forgot-about-income-taxes

            Here’s what the American Psychological Association (a far better source of expertise on what constitutes “mentally disturbed”) has to say about whether or not being transgender is a mental disorder:

            “A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder.”


  • Men are Apes with no emotion.

    Being male, you will never understand how a feminine feels and how they think and operate, there wouldn’t be people like that if it wasn’t real. I’m a man who has felt like a girl inside ever since I could walk and talk. AND because of people like you, I never pursued anything further and live as a depressed man

    • l2logic

      Your problem lies withing the following preconception:
      “I am not an ape with no emotion, therefore I am a girl. Having emotions is totally a girl thing.”
      “I can’t possibly have emotion and be a man.”
      Tl;dr, the problem is your sexism. And no, your “feeling” of being a girl has nothing to do with reality of being a girl. It’s merely your delusion. Just like a catkin can’t possibly know what it’s like to be a cat.

    • LobarCybertronic

      Being a human you will never understand how an otherkin feels and how they think and operate, there wouldn;t be people like that if it wasn’t real. I’m a human who has felt like a wolf inside ever since I could walk and talk. AND because of people like you, I never pursued anything further and live as a depressed human.

      • HaydukeLives

        When I was a kid I wanted to be a dinosaur… You need to grow up. Stop trying to blame all of us for your issues. There is a name for people like you, stupid.

  • Reev

    Wow, this author is a total idiot. Tolerance has spoken.

    • Frank

      Now tolerance is in the bathroom taking a shower.

    • Mo86

      LOL! Spoken like a true leftist.

  • TranssexualismIsBiological

    “Men in dresses claim that gender is in the mind” — YOU ARE ALL FUCKING IDIOTS. Transsexuals are adamantly against the social construct theory of gender; neurology, the biological structure of the brain, determines the social and personality aspects of gender and this is proven by science. Otherkin idiots are insane, and there is no such scientific evidence showing that their brains are that of animals. The reality is that intersexuality is a spectrum; anyone no on it isn’t really transgender.

  • l2logic

    Your problem lies withing the following preconception:
    “I am not an ape with no emotion, therefore I am a girl. Having emotions is totally a girl thing.”
    “I can’t possibly have emotion and be a man.”
    Tl;dr, the problem is your sexism. And no, your “feeling” of being a girl has nothing to do with reality of being a girl. It’s merely your delusion. Just like a catkin can’t possibly know what it’s like to be a cat.

  • BNHE

    The funny thing is that liberals simultaneously believe that there is no such thing as normal gender roles, yet will acknowledge transgender people wanting to be the opposite gender. So basically they say that the sexual parts don’t matter, but then turn around and say that they are important when dealing with transgender people.

    • Zaron

      If gender doesn’t exist, then what’s the problem with a man wearing a dress?

      • LobarCybertronic

        BNHE is not saying its wrong for a man to wear a dress (although he might think it). He’s saying it’s ridiculous for a man who wears a dress to actually think that makes him a woman.

    • LobarCybertronic

      This is what I’ve been saying. And if gender is a construct, what exactly is different in the brain of a man and a woman that can be measured to prove that a man saying he’s a woman really is a woman? No one can agree on what brain traits are common to women. I am always hearing there is no difference other than the hormones in a male and female body, and those are somethings that transgenders have to take manually.

      • bitchwhore

        actually science agrees,do ur research

      • Concerned Citizen

        i have research from Dr. Carl Bushong that shows there are differences in the brain. It has to do with the amount of hormones the fetus is exposed to at specific times in the womb. There are specific differences generally between male and female behaviors expressed. For example, women generally like to express themselves verbally more than men. Boys express rough play. These are generalizations and honestly seem absurd based on the spectrum of behaviors in both genders. I think a partial explanation for the confusion is that as IQ increases, differences between genders start to disappear and become a blend of both behaviors. I think we are all a category of 1 in the gender spectrum and there is no objective evidence to explain anything but the far reaches of each. Hyper masculine or Hyper feminine.
        If someone feels they are more female than male, they have fallen over the top of the bell curve distribution. Then they are looking at a male body trapped in a mind that is more female than male. Those that find themselves in that situation sometimes become transgender and try to make their assigned birth gender match with what they feel they are. We could talk about body parts, genes, and dress but what really matters is between the ears. The rest is just trying to match what is between the ears.

    • understand

      Gender and sex are two different things, mind you. Gender is what someone identifies as in their mind. Sex is what parts their body has.

      People who go through sexual reassignment surgeries are just getting their sex to match their gender.

      I hope that cleared things up on some level of why you’re confused.

      P.S. They’re statists, not liberals. Anyone who would want state funded anything is a statist. True liberals don’t want a state government…

      • Mo86

        “Gender and sex are two different things, mind you. ”

        This is the latest game that liberals use.

    • Dr. J

      So true. In the early nineties, the push seemed to be toward gender-less identification. Now it seems, ironically, the gender is everything – but only if you are born the “wrong” gender physically.

      I think its now time time to just say no and expose this illogical cultural failure for what it is.

      In other words, “No I won’t pretend that this makes sense in any rational sense. I will call you “he” and “she” as your biology dictates.”

      And, “I have compassion for your internal struggles, which I believe are real – but I will not harm you by pretending your fantasies are reality.”

      • Concerned Citizen

        until you can scan someone’s genes just by looking at them, I don’t see how you can apply this. Secondary sex characteristics are how we all identify male or female. These things can easily be changed. I dare you to call Kimber James “He” LOL

        • Dr. J

          So you never use the words “he” or “she” unless you have a gene scan from the person?

          • Concerned Citizen


  • reality?

    Chromosomes are not the end all be all of gender, simply put, they are just forms of sex determination. If you read about conditions such as XX male syndrome, androgen insensitivity syndrome, Klinefelter syndrome, etc. You will find people who could look “male” or “female” but their chromosomes tell an entirely different story. The point its, species identity is a non-issue when we are discussing gender identity because it falsely assumes that people are trying to be something they are “not” (male or female or something in between) when in truth, gender and sex are fluid constructs and it is restricted within the human experience. The only bias one would have against species identity is anthropocentrism, which I believe is redundant because we are a society of humans therefore it’s logical that human issues, especially human rights, will take precedence over other living things. In time, when transhumanism and great ape personhood are legalized we will face a new frontier of ethics, but for now I think it’s incredibly bigoted to deride a legitimate human rights issue with one that is frankly, minor when you don’t actually even care for either, you just use it to espouse your ignorance.

    • infowolf1

      the typical tranny is not a case of chromosome abnormality but mental abnormality AND THEY ARE VICTIMS OF PATRIARCHAL SEXISM because their entire mentality AGREES WITH SEXISM and with sex assigned qualities (that are not identical cross culture or cross time same culture) and the WHOLE THING IS A FRAUD.

      The feminist movement should never have taken in the gays (just gives grist to the male supremacist mill) or the trannies, the latter are full on sellouts to SEXISM.

      (and abortion kills female babies how is that supportive of other females?)

  • Zaron

    Why do you have to be full of so much hate?

    • Mo86

      LOL! Show me the hate in this article. I’d love to see it.

  • Zaron

    How do I flag this?

  • LobarCybertronic

    which it probably will be, since a lot of otherkin seem to be depressed and traumatised about their mismatched bodies.

  • NoneOfYourBUsiness

    Transgender, traspecies… both nuts. When a man who mutilates his body to become a woman superficially can have a kid or when a woman mutilates her body to superficially become a man can make a woman pregnant, then I will recognize them. Until then, they have mental issues

    • Sarah Iseminger

      Do you realize that people with gender identity issues are highly likely to attempt and/or commit suicide in their life? This is an effect of depression, which also happens to be a mental illness. Would it be better for someone to go through life feeling trapped in their own body, and possibly attempt or commit suicide, rather than get the surgeries they want to help them live a more fulfilling and happy life?

      • CCTM10

        It’s better they die than corrupt the rest of society.

        • satan

          die white ni99er

          • VolcanoTheDragon

            Yes satan! Lol.
            CCTM10, how about you go through what I’m going through? I have species dysphoria, and I have to struggle through every day being forced to be human. There’s no easy way to describe it. Take your favourite thing to do. Now imagine it’s been taken away and you’ve moved to a place completely unlike what you knew. It’s kinda like that. Also, stop talking about us like we’re a disease. We are not vermin. The day will come when you people have to accept us as part of society, just like you do with trans people and gays.

          • HaydukeLives

            oh, pooooor you. Who gives a crap? You wanna be a tranny, then fine. Just shut up with the propaganda that is targeting young impressionable children.

          • Devil Boner

            How is that propaganda you? Do you label anything you don’t like as propaganda simply because you don’t like it.

          • ShirayukiTheTherian

            The day when they do accept us will be a miracle

        • ShirayukiTheTherian

          Just because a person suffers from species dysphoria doesn’t mean they want surgery to change their bodies, I think most if not all others who are genuinely suffering wold turn down the possibility of surgery, we know we are human. It just feels so wrong.

      • Mari

        Schizophrenics commit suicide a lot, but I don’t want to codify their theory that they are Santa Claus or Napoleon into law.

        • Sarah Iseminger

          Fucking idiots I’m not saying people that want to be cats or dogs or whatever the fuck should have surgery! People just want to be what they want to be. Btw if you’re against lgbt rights you’re living in the middle ages.

          • Louie

            im not against lgbt or their rights. honestly, just trying to understand it all.

            but if we’re using your logic – that it’s ok for transgender to have surgeries to change from man to woman and from woman to man because it will make their lives happier and depression free (at least from an identity point) – then following that logic, shouldn’t it be ok for transpecies individuals to have surgeries to change them from human to animal, if it will bring them happiness and get rid of their depression?

            that’s the point of the article, in my opinion: once you break a boundary, you can’t expect for there to be a limit.

            i dont think we should demonize transgender people. studies/research on the topic are relatively new so nobody really knows anything conclusive. but if transgenders are really suffering from a mental illness, shouldn’t we treat it as such? like someone suffering from schizophrenia – we don’t say “yeah, what you’re seeing/hearing is all true” just to make them feel better. if science eventually proves that transgenders are suffering from a mental illness, that’s how we should treat it.

            personally, i think if youre born one way and you think you should be something else (man, woman, animal, tree) then you’re suffering from a mental illness. and if you don’t agree, it’s fine, but it would mean that everyone who wants to be an animal should be one, because who are we to set boundaries?

          • Sun

            Maybe you’re stupid because you can’t respond to Mari’s point. (a strong indicator of no intelligence).

          • HaydukeLives

            Sounds cool. I want surgery to become a dragon that can breath fire.

      • Mo86

        “Do you realize that people with gender identity issues are highly likely to attempt and/or commit suicide in their life?”Of course. They are deeply confused people who need professional help.
        “Would it be better for someone to go through life feeling trapped in their own body, and possibly attempt or commit suicide, rather than get the surgeries they want to help them live a more fulfilling and happy life?”
        What nonsense. So if someone claimed to be a rabbit, should they have floppy ears, a tail and long teeth surgically attached to their bodies to help them “live a more fulfilling and happy life”?

    • Concerned Citizen

      OMG. Let’s stop with the Trans-Species and Trans-Ethnic comparisons to Trans-Gender. It’s demeaning and mocking. There are two things you can give to a man and his current genes will start to express the secondary characteristics of female: Estrogen and Spironolactone. That’s all you need. Big difference. Although the genes are and always will be XY they are certainly capable of changing sexual characteristics in the right hormonal environment. If you need other biological examples that can do so naturally, here are at least 7 that do:

  • Sarah Iseminger

    who the fuck are you sir? stop trolling

    • CCTM10

      Do you disagree that he has a point?

  • CCTM10

    man let these fools die. So what, people die all the time don’t they. Certain boundaries need not be crossed. Soon someone will be claiming that they were born a pedophile, that’s nonsese.

  • evelyn

    except no…
    if you find a (reliable-ie a recent source from some sort of respected science journal) source that claims the opposite, i will gladly concede the point

    • clandestinepower

      I just read the first article and man, science has really fallen by the way-side along with analytical thinking. The conclusions “scientists” draw from studies like that hark back to pre-Galileo days. But then, one of the many problems with modern science is that it requires funding and therefore is attached to an agenda.

  • Natalius

    What I find discriminatory is that the DSM-5 takes gender dysphoria off the table as “people who are crazy” but leaves it on there only if the people are “confused” about it. Meaning that if a man is fully happy pretending he’s a woman and chops his body parts off he’s not crazy, but the person who is questioning it and wondering if it is “wrong” is the crazy one.

    The irony does lie in the idea that these transgenders look at the furry community and call them “freaks”.

  • bitchwhore

    wow this is stupid.i cant beleive how stupid america is,silly white n***ERs

  • History

    You may think that this is a ‘Reductio ad absurdus’, but animal rights were born this way, as an analogy to women’s rights (‘If women have rights, then why not animals?’)

  • Faunoman

    I think I may have Species Dysphoria. I never really liked being human. I’ve imagined myself as an alien or an animal trapped in a human body. But a distinction must be made between people who think they’re non-human, and people who wish they were. I have learned to accept the thing that I can’t change; that is, being a human.

  • VolcanoTheDragon

    This article is so offensive. And it uses a clip from south park to make a point?? Ugh, people these days.

  • HaydukeLives

    What about… humans trapped inside of animal bodies?????

  • Concerned Citizen

    Dresses, heels, nails, and long hair don’t make you a woman. 200 years ago none of that defined feminine. It’s a construct of current society. It is basically what you feel between your ears…followed by body parts and genes, then society’s current definition of feminine. The transgender people are female in their minds. Whether they get surgeries or not, wear dresses or not, get their nails done or not, they are female first in their brains. The rest of the stuff is just dressing to match current femininity standards.

  • Concerned Citizen

    OMG. Let’s stop with the Trans-Species and Trans-Ethnic comparisons to Trans-Gender. It’s demeaning and mocking. There are two things you can give to a man and his current genes will start to express the secondary characteristics of female: Estrogen and Spironolactone. That’s all you need. Big difference. Although the genes are and always will be XY they are certainly capable of changing sexual characteristics in the right hormonal environment. If you need other biological examples that can do so naturally, here are at least 7 that do: