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	<title>Comments on: Global Warming Expedition to Prove Antarctic Ice is Melting Trapped by Ice</title>
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		<title>By: backlyt</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/global-warming-expedition-to-prove-antarctic-ice-is-melting-trapped-by-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-5407871</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2014 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That global warming has caused the sea to freeze faster than it normally does. The events experienced by the expedition is proof of global warming, not against it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That global warming has caused the sea to freeze faster than it normally does. The events experienced by the expedition is proof of global warming, not against it.</p>
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		<title>By: RealityCheck</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RealityCheck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2014 13:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yawn .... and your point is??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawn &#8230;. and your point is??</p>
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		<title>By: moparmtn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[moparmtn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2014 02:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[facts may be funny....  but you can&#039;t convince these liberal idiots....   it is all about money and corruption...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>facts may be funny&#8230;.  but you can&#8217;t convince these liberal idiots&#8230;.   it is all about money and corruption&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: backlyt</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/global-warming-expedition-to-prove-antarctic-ice-is-melting-trapped-by-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-5352773</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[backlyt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jan 2014 00:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hasn’t the author passed elementary science education? Let me walk you people through it... What happens when you desalinate water? IT RAISES THE FREEZING TEMPERATURE. That’s why we salt our streets in the winter. Saltier water melts at lower temperatures. What’s the easiest way to desalinate water? YOU DILUTE IT. How do you dilute a large body of water? YOU !#%&amp;*$@ MELT THE GIGANTIC  #*^$!@%&amp; GLACIERS, THUS RAISING THE FREEZING POINT OF THE WATER. Seriously, try this experiment at home. Freezer, cups, water, increasing about of salt per cup and a stop watch. I know I did. IN GRADE 6. Damn it, how can people be so mentally deficient? There is a difference between “land ice” aka glaciers aka formed by precipitation, and “sea ice” formed by freezing sea water. IF you thought about it for just a few minutes, wait, nevermind. You should concentrate on breathing. It’s clear that doing too many things at one time might be fatal to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hasn’t the author passed elementary science education? Let me walk you people through it&#8230; What happens when you desalinate water? IT RAISES THE FREEZING TEMPERATURE. That’s why we salt our streets in the winter. Saltier water melts at lower temperatures. What’s the easiest way to desalinate water? YOU DILUTE IT. How do you dilute a large body of water? YOU !#%&amp;*$@ MELT THE GIGANTIC  #*^$!@%&amp; GLACIERS, THUS RAISING THE FREEZING POINT OF THE WATER. Seriously, try this experiment at home. Freezer, cups, water, increasing about of salt per cup and a stop watch. I know I did. IN GRADE 6. Damn it, how can people be so mentally deficient? There is a difference between “land ice” aka glaciers aka formed by precipitation, and “sea ice” formed by freezing sea water. IF you thought about it for just a few minutes, wait, nevermind. You should concentrate on breathing. It’s clear that doing too many things at one time might be fatal to you.</p>
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		<title>By: backlyt</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/global-warming-expedition-to-prove-antarctic-ice-is-melting-trapped-by-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-5352760</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[backlyt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jan 2014 00:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;So-called “global warming” is just a secret plot by wacko tree huggers to make America energy independent, clean our air and water, improve the fuel efficiency of our vehicles, kick-start 21st-century industries, and make our cities safer and more livable. Don’t let them get away with it!” Chip Giller]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So-called “global warming” is just a secret plot by wacko tree huggers to make America energy independent, clean our air and water, improve the fuel efficiency of our vehicles, kick-start 21st-century industries, and make our cities safer and more livable. Don’t let them get away with it!” Chip Giller</p>
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		<title>By: Nord357</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nord357]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about that? I have friends that live on various islands around the world that tell me the same thing. Facts are funny things no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about that? I have friends that live on various islands around the world that tell me the same thing. Facts are funny things no?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Nowotarski</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/global-warming-expedition-to-prove-antarctic-ice-is-melting-trapped-by-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-5343342</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Nowotarski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2014 02:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, CO2 is a poison although not in the concentrations in the atmosphere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, CO2 is a poison although not in the concentrations in the atmosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Nowotarski</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/global-warming-expedition-to-prove-antarctic-ice-is-melting-trapped-by-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-5343338</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Nowotarski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2014 02:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Understood.  Does the graph below look more realistic?  (You have to expand my next comment to see it, or click this link http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/766/6848/original.jpg?w=600&amp;h]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understood.  Does the graph below look more realistic?  (You have to expand my next comment to see it, or click this link <a href="http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/766/6848/original.jpg?w=600&#038;h" rel="nofollow">http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/766/6848/original.jpg?w=600&#038;h</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2014 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[your chart also conveniently doesn&#039;t show the 70% arctic ice rebound that occurred last year. The arctic froze over two months early.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your chart also conveniently doesn&#8217;t show the 70% arctic ice rebound that occurred last year. The arctic froze over two months early.</p>
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		<title>By: Obaaaaaaaama sheep get sheared</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/global-warming-expedition-to-prove-antarctic-ice-is-melting-trapped-by-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-5343203</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obaaaaaaaama sheep get sheared]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2014 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again logic proves liberalism is a sickness...and the only cure is extermnation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again logic proves liberalism is a sickness&#8230;and the only cure is extermnation.</p>
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		<title>By: backlyt</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/global-warming-expedition-to-prove-antarctic-ice-is-melting-trapped-by-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-5342574</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[backlyt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 22:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really? Because summers seem to be getting hotter and storms more erratic.
Very few will voluntarily reduce their dependance on fossil fuels. People like their cars and they like their imported electronics, clothing, ikea, etc.
Umm and plants have existed long before we were burning fossil fuels genius. And it’s not like CO2 is the only thing coming out of exhaust pipes. Besides which, I think that ecological destruction due to oil shortages is a bit more important. Things like deforestation, fracking and drilling for oil are the results of fossil fuel consumption. You have to look a bit further.
The hole in the ozone layer is finally starting to heal due to governments banning CFCs. This is a bad thing? I guess you’re against governments banning asbestos huh? How about you talk to some of the people with severe respiratory problems due to lazy corporations taking short cuts. I suppose that mandating nuclear armament control and biological weapons is a bad thing too? 
Don’t be an idiot. We all suffer from the effects of our carbon economy, if not directly then indirectly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? Because summers seem to be getting hotter and storms more erratic.<br />
Very few will voluntarily reduce their dependance on fossil fuels. People like their cars and they like their imported electronics, clothing, ikea, etc.<br />
Umm and plants have existed long before we were burning fossil fuels genius. And it’s not like CO2 is the only thing coming out of exhaust pipes. Besides which, I think that ecological destruction due to oil shortages is a bit more important. Things like deforestation, fracking and drilling for oil are the results of fossil fuel consumption. You have to look a bit further.<br />
The hole in the ozone layer is finally starting to heal due to governments banning CFCs. This is a bad thing? I guess you’re against governments banning asbestos huh? How about you talk to some of the people with severe respiratory problems due to lazy corporations taking short cuts. I suppose that mandating nuclear armament control and biological weapons is a bad thing too?<br />
Don’t be an idiot. We all suffer from the effects of our carbon economy, if not directly then indirectly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Nowotarski</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/global-warming-expedition-to-prove-antarctic-ice-is-melting-trapped-by-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-5342536</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Nowotarski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s fine.  Thanks for the discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s fine.  Thanks for the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/global-warming-expedition-to-prove-antarctic-ice-is-melting-trapped-by-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-5342424</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Morgan Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They already have. The sea ice is cause by warming that causes it to rain more and the rain is fresh water which turns to ice. You must understand, the 10 feet of sea ice was cause by 10 feet of rain. That&#039;s 120 inches of rain in one winter or 480 inches a year. That means antarctica gets more rain than Noah got, which is why he didn&#039;t put any penguins on the Ark]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They already have. The sea ice is cause by warming that causes it to rain more and the rain is fresh water which turns to ice. You must understand, the 10 feet of sea ice was cause by 10 feet of rain. That&#8217;s 120 inches of rain in one winter or 480 inches a year. That means antarctica gets more rain than Noah got, which is why he didn&#8217;t put any penguins on the Ark</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Morgan Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read it. It doesn&#039;t say anything about cells. All it says is &quot;we did complex calculations involving quantum physics and general relativity and plugged that into our models and found...&quot; and it doesn&#039;t look like what they found was different from what&#039;s out there, and I never pay attention to models, stopped that years ago. I did some very simple calculations on my blog, that are so simple they must be true, because when it&#039;s that simple there&#039;s no leeway for errors to creep in. On my blog, you read it. It proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that H2O is 92.5% of the greenhouse effect, and the trivial gasses are 7.5%, most of it from CO2]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read it. It doesn&#8217;t say anything about cells. All it says is &#8220;we did complex calculations involving quantum physics and general relativity and plugged that into our models and found&#8230;&#8221; and it doesn&#8217;t look like what they found was different from what&#8217;s out there, and I never pay attention to models, stopped that years ago. I did some very simple calculations on my blog, that are so simple they must be true, because when it&#8217;s that simple there&#8217;s no leeway for errors to creep in. On my blog, you read it. It proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that H2O is 92.5% of the greenhouse effect, and the trivial gasses are 7.5%, most of it from CO2</p>
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		<title>By: Fightforjustice</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/global-warming-expedition-to-prove-antarctic-ice-is-melting-trapped-by-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-5342117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fightforjustice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 03:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which goes to prove the adage - most people only remember or pay attention to something of importance for about 10 minutes then it&#039;s &quot;next&quot;, and forgotten.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which goes to prove the adage &#8211; most people only remember or pay attention to something of importance for about 10 minutes then it&#8217;s &#8220;next&#8221;, and forgotten.</p>
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		<title>By: Fightforjustice</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/global-warming-expedition-to-prove-antarctic-ice-is-melting-trapped-by-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-5342115</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fightforjustice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 03:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Freedom works - Jim Demint and the communist Koch brothers -say NO more about this writer and his corrupted thinking. Global warming IS going on and adding a toncrap of moisture into our atmosphere, causing massive amounts of snowfall, rainfall and changing wind patterns around topsy turvey. Take a look at photos of the glaciers world-wide over the past 100 years and compare them to today&#039;s photos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom works &#8211; Jim Demint and the communist Koch brothers -say NO more about this writer and his corrupted thinking. Global warming IS going on and adding a toncrap of moisture into our atmosphere, causing massive amounts of snowfall, rainfall and changing wind patterns around topsy turvey. Take a look at photos of the glaciers world-wide over the past 100 years and compare them to today&#8217;s photos.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Nowotarski</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/global-warming-expedition-to-prove-antarctic-ice-is-melting-trapped-by-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-5342085</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Nowotarski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 01:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds good.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/global-warming-expedition-to-prove-antarctic-ice-is-melting-trapped-by-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-5342071</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Morgan Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I printed it out and will read it soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I printed it out and will read it soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Nowotarski</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Nowotarski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 22:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK,  I see your point.  The gas mixture used to calculate the Wikipedia graph, however, was not what was used by the Physics World paper to estimate the 60/26 split between H2O and CO2.  The graph merely showed how you COULD calculate the absorption spectra for different atmospheric gases IF you picked a particular composition.  As I read it, what the Physics World paper did (“...these data are put into atmospheric models...”)  was divide the Earth&#039;s atmosphere into individual cells, estimate the gas composition in each cell, and then calculate the appropriate green house effect for each cell.  They then added up the  contributions of all of the cells, tropics included, to come up with an overall 60/26 split for H2O vs CO2. 

While exploring this further I discovered there is a group of satellites called CERES which are continuously monitoring the greenhouse effect over the entire planet.  You can see a sample video of the data they are recording here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clouds_and_the_Earth%27s_Radiant_Energy_System
 A screen shot is posted below.  The tropics do lose more heat than the temperate and polar regions, but the heat loss at these other regions is still significant.  Hence their numbers for an overall 60/26 split for H2O vs CO2.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK,  I see your point.  The gas mixture used to calculate the Wikipedia graph, however, was not what was used by the Physics World paper to estimate the 60/26 split between H2O and CO2.  The graph merely showed how you COULD calculate the absorption spectra for different atmospheric gases IF you picked a particular composition.  As I read it, what the Physics World paper did (“&#8230;these data are put into atmospheric models&#8230;”)  was divide the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere into individual cells, estimate the gas composition in each cell, and then calculate the appropriate green house effect for each cell.  They then added up the  contributions of all of the cells, tropics included, to come up with an overall 60/26 split for H2O vs CO2. </p>
<p>While exploring this further I discovered there is a group of satellites called CERES which are continuously monitoring the greenhouse effect over the entire planet.  You can see a sample video of the data they are recording here.<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clouds_and_the_Earth%27s_Radiant_Energy_System" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clouds_and_the_Earth%27s_Radiant_Energy_System</a><br />
 A screen shot is posted below.  The tropics do lose more heat than the temperate and polar regions, but the heat loss at these other regions is still significant.  Hence their numbers for an overall 60/26 split for H2O vs CO2.</p>
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		<title>By: LurkingAroundTown</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LurkingAroundTown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They can be rather pompous at that, when I have seen a girl walk up to such a fellow and she says &quot;excuse me mister&quot; and he just stares back at her and says PROFESSOR.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They can be rather pompous at that, when I have seen a girl walk up to such a fellow and she says &#8220;excuse me mister&#8221; and he just stares back at her and says PROFESSOR.</p>
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