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	<title>Comments on: GM Now Losing $59,000 on Every Chevy Volt Sold</title>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/gm-now-losing-59000-on-every-chevy-volt-sold/comment-page-1/#comment-5386857</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ive seen many Volts, never saw one with a government plate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive seen many Volts, never saw one with a government plate.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbleheadguru</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobbleheadguru]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2013 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GM has publicly stated that Fleet sales were less than 5% of total Chevy Volt Sales. A subset of Fleet Sales are to the government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM has publicly stated that Fleet sales were less than 5% of total Chevy Volt Sales. A subset of Fleet Sales are to the government.</p>
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		<title>By: edlarson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[edlarson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2013 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First year sales of the Volt were primarily government fleet sales.  I wonder how many of the current Volts are also being sold to Uncle Sam?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First year sales of the Volt were primarily government fleet sales.  I wonder how many of the current Volts are also being sold to Uncle Sam?</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Willden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn Willden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happens if you forgot to put gas in your current vehicle?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens if you forgot to put gas in your current vehicle?</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Willden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn Willden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; The world does not just want F-150s.


And Ford would be pissed if GM were to start selling F-150s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The world does not just want F-150s.</p>
<p>And Ford would be pissed if GM were to start selling F-150s.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikike</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mikike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2013 08:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well South Korea used to be a bloody dictatorship, everything was a top down system, and lots of Koreans still has that mind set, see Asiana&#039;s accident. And yet Korea, China, and countries like Germany, south Africa ,chile give a prof that states, politicians can be effective dictators of economic matters, even when we universally reject this notion. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well South Korea used to be a bloody dictatorship, everything was a top down system, and lots of Koreans still has that mind set, see Asiana&#8217;s accident. And yet Korea, China, and countries like Germany, south Africa ,chile give a prof that states, politicians can be effective dictators of economic matters, even when we universally reject this notion. </p>
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		<title>By: NDHawk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NDHawk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Sep 2013 03:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your facts are wrong.   It was wrong when first reported by Reuters and is even more wrong now.   The 49k that Reuters used included the total fixed costs of R&amp;D.   You see,  the thing about fixed costs is that you don&#039;t have to pay it again for every car you sell.   What they meant to say is that at the time of the article,  the volt had lost 49k per car that they had already sold. By now they have sold about another 30k cars,  with each costing an additional 24k to 30k in production costs (this info came from the same Reuters article). So since the Volt sells for more than that amount, they are actually reducing the amount they have lost with each car they sell. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your facts are wrong.   It was wrong when first reported by Reuters and is even more wrong now.   The 49k that Reuters used included the total fixed costs of R&amp;D.   You see,  the thing about fixed costs is that you don&#8217;t have to pay it again for every car you sell.   What they meant to say is that at the time of the article,  the volt had lost 49k per car that they had already sold. By now they have sold about another 30k cars,  with each costing an additional 24k to 30k in production costs (this info came from the same Reuters article). So since the Volt sells for more than that amount, they are actually reducing the amount they have lost with each car they sell. </p>
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		<title>By: Not An Idiot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not An Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoever wrote this obviously knows nothing of the government bailout. The government isn&#039;t running this company. The company is making strategic decisions for the future for when you know oil cost $10 a gallon and people can&#039;t afford it. Stop being ignorant and realize this has more to do with long term growth than anything the government is pushing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoever wrote this obviously knows nothing of the government bailout. The government isn&#8217;t running this company. The company is making strategic decisions for the future for when you know oil cost $10 a gallon and people can&#8217;t afford it. Stop being ignorant and realize this has more to do with long term growth than anything the government is pushing.</p>
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		<title>By: visitor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[visitor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously?  Are you trying or this is how you are?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously?  Are you trying or this is how you are?</p>
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		<title>By: CowboyUp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CowboyUp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2013 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The government makes around four times what the oil companies do off every gallon of gas.  Lets just eliminate the special taxes on gas, and you&#039;re volt is left in the dust again.  

Oil companies don&#039;t get welfare btw, they get the same write offs and deductions for equipment purchases every other company gets.

Feel free to keep deluding yourself, if it makes you feel better.  But reality is, when electric cars are a good deal they&#039;ll sell themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government makes around four times what the oil companies do off every gallon of gas.  Lets just eliminate the special taxes on gas, and you&#8217;re volt is left in the dust again.  </p>
<p>Oil companies don&#8217;t get welfare btw, they get the same write offs and deductions for equipment purchases every other company gets.</p>
<p>Feel free to keep deluding yourself, if it makes you feel better.  But reality is, when electric cars are a good deal they&#8217;ll sell themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbleheadguru</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobbleheadguru]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2013 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. A tax credit is different than a subsidy... And the &quot;George W Bush $7500 EV Tax Credit of 2008&quot; was passed by a GOP president 3 full years before the Chevy Volt was introduced nationally (11.01.2011).


2. By your logic, why does the real estate industry need to be propped up (mortgage interest deduction)? 


Also, why does Big Oil need to get $30,000,000,000 per YEAR in corporate welfare? Why does that industry need to get propped up?


&quot;Pennies&quot; go to EVs for the &quot;$100 Bills&quot; that go to Big Oil. Why no concern about that?


Let us eliminate the &quot;W EV Tax Credit&quot; and Corporate Welfare to Big Oil. If that happened, the Chevy Volt would actually come out ahead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. A tax credit is different than a subsidy&#8230; And the &#8220;George W Bush $7500 EV Tax Credit of 2008&#8243; was passed by a GOP president 3 full years before the Chevy Volt was introduced nationally (11.01.2011).</p>
<p>2. By your logic, why does the real estate industry need to be propped up (mortgage interest deduction)? </p>
<p>Also, why does Big Oil need to get $30,000,000,000 per YEAR in corporate welfare? Why does that industry need to get propped up?</p>
<p>&#8220;Pennies&#8221; go to EVs for the &#8220;$100 Bills&#8221; that go to Big Oil. Why no concern about that?</p>
<p>Let us eliminate the &#8220;W EV Tax Credit&#8221; and Corporate Welfare to Big Oil. If that happened, the Chevy Volt would actually come out ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: CowboyUp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CowboyUp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2013 12:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obviously you.   If it was such a great deal it wouldn&#039;t have to be subsidized.   You can prattle all the pr bs you want, but the subsidies and the fact that the company loses so much money on it exposes reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously you.   If it was such a great deal it wouldn&#8217;t have to be subsidized.   You can prattle all the pr bs you want, but the subsidies and the fact that the company loses so much money on it exposes reality.</p>
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		<title>By: John Braeking</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Braeking]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The battery never goes &#039;dead&#039;. Propulsion is all electric for the most part with the gas generator supplying electricity to keep the battery at it&#039;s lower level of charge until you can recharge. Technically, you could drive on gas without ever charging the battery. But, that would defeat the design purpose of using grid electricity (at 1/6 the cost of gas) most of the time. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The battery never goes &#8216;dead&#8217;. Propulsion is all electric for the most part with the gas generator supplying electricity to keep the battery at it&#8217;s lower level of charge until you can recharge. Technically, you could drive on gas without ever charging the battery. But, that would defeat the design purpose of using grid electricity (at 1/6 the cost of gas) most of the time. </p>
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		<title>By: bobbleheadguru</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobbleheadguru]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly. Not a coincidence that MPG on high volume, profitable, large Chevys and Buicks equipped with eAssist went up 30% year over year. eAssist is a derivative technology of the Volt. That kind of increase is unprecedented in GM.


GM is finally doing the right thing by building an ecosystem of high MPG cars. 


it is not much different than using the Corvette or NASCAR to push the limits of performance and then applying that to other cars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. Not a coincidence that MPG on high volume, profitable, large Chevys and Buicks equipped with eAssist went up 30% year over year. eAssist is a derivative technology of the Volt. That kind of increase is unprecedented in GM.</p>
<p>GM is finally doing the right thing by building an ecosystem of high MPG cars. </p>
<p>it is not much different than using the Corvette or NASCAR to push the limits of performance and then applying that to other cars.</p>
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		<title>By: John Braeking</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Braeking]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The R&amp;D is spread across the entire fleet. All of the electric brake boosters, electric power steering, electric A/C etc are fitted to all cars/trucks with start/stop technology. 

New tech trickles down to every model eventually. Disc brakes, direct fuel injection, safety air bags, crush zones, high strength passenger cockpits, etc all started out in high end (expensive) cars. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The R&amp;D is spread across the entire fleet. All of the electric brake boosters, electric power steering, electric A/C etc are fitted to all cars/trucks with start/stop technology. </p>
<p>New tech trickles down to every model eventually. Disc brakes, direct fuel injection, safety air bags, crush zones, high strength passenger cockpits, etc all started out in high end (expensive) cars. </p>
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		<title>By: bobbleheadguru</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobbleheadguru]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The whole point of the car is to have zero range anxiety. Use whatever you want, electricity or gas... the Volt will take it.


Your argument starts with a basic &quot;blinders on&quot; confusion about the car that implies that the car can only go 35 miles...Which is like saying your car only goes 35miles, because you put a 2 gallon of gas into it (even though it has a 14 gallon tank).


If you need the &quot;government-business&quot; argument, then look to the &quot;George W Bush $7500 EV Tax Credit of 2008&quot;. The Volt launched nationally on 11.01.2011, three full years before W signed this tax credit and well before the current president.


...and by the way, the only president to have purchased a Volt is George H W Bush (last April).




Q: Why not &quot;Government-Business&quot; stress about the $30,000,000,000 PER YEAR that goes to Big Oil Corporate Welfare?


A: &quot;Not in the talking points... pay no attention to the &#039;$100 bills&#039; that go to Dictator Fuel. Instead, let us focus on the &#039;pennies&#039; that go to EVs as part of the George W Bush EV Tax credit and call it a &#039;government-business&#039; travesty and blame the current administration.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole point of the car is to have zero range anxiety. Use whatever you want, electricity or gas&#8230; the Volt will take it.</p>
<p>Your argument starts with a basic &#8220;blinders on&#8221; confusion about the car that implies that the car can only go 35 miles&#8230;Which is like saying your car only goes 35miles, because you put a 2 gallon of gas into it (even though it has a 14 gallon tank).</p>
<p>If you need the &#8220;government-business&#8221; argument, then look to the &#8220;George W Bush $7500 EV Tax Credit of 2008&#8243;. The Volt launched nationally on 11.01.2011, three full years before W signed this tax credit and well before the current president.</p>
<p>&#8230;and by the way, the only president to have purchased a Volt is George H W Bush (last April).</p>
<p>Q: Why not &#8220;Government-Business&#8221; stress about the $30,000,000,000 PER YEAR that goes to Big Oil Corporate Welfare?</p>
<p>A: &#8220;Not in the talking points&#8230; pay no attention to the &#8216;$100 bills&#8217; that go to Dictator Fuel. Instead, let us focus on the &#8216;pennies&#8217; that go to EVs as part of the George W Bush EV Tax credit and call it a &#8216;government-business&#8217; travesty and blame the current administration.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bobbleheadguru</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobbleheadguru]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. Volt has the highest satisfaction in its class two years in a row from JD Power.


2. Volt has the highest &quot;would buy again&quot; percentage of ANY car two years in a row. Source: Consumer Reports.


3. An average Volt driver gets about 120MPG, 273 ft-lbs of torque, 360 mile total range and a 100MPH top speed.  If you drive 15,000 miles per year, that is $1900/year saved in gas v. a 25MPG car. The effective cost of a Volt is now $27,500... about $3000 LESS than the average new car.


Who is dumb again?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Volt has the highest satisfaction in its class two years in a row from JD Power.</p>
<p>2. Volt has the highest &#8220;would buy again&#8221; percentage of ANY car two years in a row. Source: Consumer Reports.</p>
<p>3. An average Volt driver gets about 120MPG, 273 ft-lbs of torque, 360 mile total range and a 100MPH top speed.  If you drive 15,000 miles per year, that is $1900/year saved in gas v. a 25MPG car. The effective cost of a Volt is now $27,500&#8230; about $3000 LESS than the average new car.</p>
<p>Who is dumb again?</p>
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		<title>By: DogmaelJones1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DogmaelJones1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do you people keep coming up with the Volt&#039;s &quot;good points,&quot; when Greenfield makes clear in his article that the thing is a product of the GM bailout, that the whole thing is a subsidized,  fascist &quot;government-business&quot; travesty, that the only possible beneficiaries of the bailout are unionized autoworkers, half of whom are paid full pay with benefits we taxpaying serfs can&#039;t afford, without having to expend an ounce of mental or physical labor except in poker games in the union hall?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you people keep coming up with the Volt&#8217;s &#8220;good points,&#8221; when Greenfield makes clear in his article that the thing is a product of the GM bailout, that the whole thing is a subsidized,  fascist &#8220;government-business&#8221; travesty, that the only possible beneficiaries of the bailout are unionized autoworkers, half of whom are paid full pay with benefits we taxpaying serfs can&#8217;t afford, without having to expend an ounce of mental or physical labor except in poker games in the union hall?</p>
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		<title>By: bobbleheadguru</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobbleheadguru]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 21:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why?


It outsold the Prius year one (when it first launched) and generated over $1,000,000,000 in revenue. Prius is now the #3 nameplate worldwide (several years later). That is not a bad template to follow.


The world does not just want F-150s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why?</p>
<p>It outsold the Prius year one (when it first launched) and generated over $1,000,000,000 in revenue. Prius is now the #3 nameplate worldwide (several years later). That is not a bad template to follow.</p>
<p>The world does not just want F-150s.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbleheadguru</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobbleheadguru]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 21:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suppose you forgot to put gas in your yestertech internal combustion engine? What then?


Either way you have to get a gallon of gas. What is the difference?]]></description>
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<p>Either way you have to get a gallon of gas. What is the difference?</p>
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