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	<title>Comments on: Has the Overeducation of Teachers Turned Public Education into Gibberish?</title>
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		<title>By: El Desdichado</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Desdichado]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2013 12:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The most hilarious concept I heard during my short career as a public-school teacher was &quot;Equity in Excellence&quot;.  Credentialitis has a nice ring to it too:

http://connecthook.wordpress.com/2013/08/17/kiss-my-assessment/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most hilarious concept I heard during my short career as a public-school teacher was &#8220;Equity in Excellence&#8221;.  Credentialitis has a nice ring to it too:</p>
<p><a href="http://connecthook.wordpress.com/2013/08/17/kiss-my-assessment/" rel="nofollow">http://connecthook.wordpress.com/2013/08/17/kiss-my-assessment/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Erudite Mavin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erudite Mavin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly.
Another problem with teachers besides being a propaganda machine for the left, most if not all cannot teach students about real world.
Most Teachers have not worked in the real world, only words
in books and what the Profs say who in turn from the same process.
When I was in high school in early 60s, heavy liberal and  the only teachers I had who really taught and not propaganda machines were WWII vets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.<br />
Another problem with teachers besides being a propaganda machine for the left, most if not all cannot teach students about real world.<br />
Most Teachers have not worked in the real world, only words<br />
in books and what the Profs say who in turn from the same process.<br />
When I was in high school in early 60s, heavy liberal and  the only teachers I had who really taught and not propaganda machines were WWII vets.</p>
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		<title>By: Timber</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timber]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The masters degree is a valuable procurement if ....... it is based on the area of study or claimed academic expertise. What many ignorantly or purposefully indifferent overlook is the failure of schools of education and the training of teachers. There is no more easier degree to acquire at all levels than that in education. Mediocrity is the mantra and it is supported but an equalitocracy mentality, driven by faux self esteem. There are minimalist standards in training  and hiring teachers. There is no rigor in education in US classrooms. Grade inflation, breadth vs depth and tech as a &quot;cool learning tool&quot; vs knowing it in one&#039;s head plus heaping portions of self esteem are what our schools have become. When are the bureaucracies at all levels held responsible, besides the unions for this ugly slide into word game based learning.  Where is the documentation/ accountability of decades of failed reforms since new math ? We would expect more from a well trained carpenter, Dr , pilot or brick layer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The masters degree is a valuable procurement if &#8230;&#8230;. it is based on the area of study or claimed academic expertise. What many ignorantly or purposefully indifferent overlook is the failure of schools of education and the training of teachers. There is no more easier degree to acquire at all levels than that in education. Mediocrity is the mantra and it is supported but an equalitocracy mentality, driven by faux self esteem. There are minimalist standards in training  and hiring teachers. There is no rigor in education in US classrooms. Grade inflation, breadth vs depth and tech as a &#8220;cool learning tool&#8221; vs knowing it in one&#8217;s head plus heaping portions of self esteem are what our schools have become. When are the bureaucracies at all levels held responsible, besides the unions for this ugly slide into word game based learning.  Where is the documentation/ accountability of decades of failed reforms since new math ? We would expect more from a well trained carpenter, Dr , pilot or brick layer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having highly educated teachers is NOT a bad thing. What is bad is when those teachers dont produce results. Results are the most important thing for a teacher, and that is what teachers should be paid on. If a teacher is not getting most of their class to pass, then they dont deserve anything. 


But performance pay will never happen. In my highschool, I remember talking to teachers about it, and I&#039;d say around 70% supported it. But the union exists to pander to that 30%, to make sure that even if they dont do their jobs, they still get paid for it. It&#039;s a disgrace to hardworking teachers that they dont get paid more for brilliant results. 


This is something we need to change. Instead of just complaining about it, next time there is a conservative government in office, LOBBY THEM TO CHANGE THE LAWS! This is our problem, we only ever complain, we never lobby. This is why the left is winning at the moment, they know how to complain better than we do! They complain to the government, not just to eachother.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having highly educated teachers is NOT a bad thing. What is bad is when those teachers dont produce results. Results are the most important thing for a teacher, and that is what teachers should be paid on. If a teacher is not getting most of their class to pass, then they dont deserve anything. </p>
<p>But performance pay will never happen. In my highschool, I remember talking to teachers about it, and I&#8217;d say around 70% supported it. But the union exists to pander to that 30%, to make sure that even if they dont do their jobs, they still get paid for it. It&#8217;s a disgrace to hardworking teachers that they dont get paid more for brilliant results. </p>
<p>This is something we need to change. Instead of just complaining about it, next time there is a conservative government in office, LOBBY THEM TO CHANGE THE LAWS! This is our problem, we only ever complain, we never lobby. This is why the left is winning at the moment, they know how to complain better than we do! They complain to the government, not just to eachother.</p>
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		<title>By: Veracious_one</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Veracious_one]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[good teachers are often reprimanded by leftist school administrators and school unions if they don&#039;t tow the leftist agenda and curriculum for the young mush heads....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good teachers are often reprimanded by leftist school administrators and school unions if they don&#8217;t tow the leftist agenda and curriculum for the young mush heads&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gayle Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gayle Spencer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And just exactly how many unexplored subjects worthy of a PhD &quot;thesis&quot; remain? I&#039;ve heard some of these PhD-&quot;credentialed&quot; (cough) administrators speak, as well as some of our Master-credentialed teachers. Yikes. Most of these people wouldn&#039;t know a coherent thought even if it (said coherent thought) came up and gave them a business card.


Just imagine reading through the drivel of these theses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just exactly how many unexplored subjects worthy of a PhD &#8220;thesis&#8221; remain? I&#8217;ve heard some of these PhD-&#8221;credentialed&#8221; (cough) administrators speak, as well as some of our Master-credentialed teachers. Yikes. Most of these people wouldn&#8217;t know a coherent thought even if it (said coherent thought) came up and gave them a business card.</p>
<p>Just imagine reading through the drivel of these theses.</p>
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		<title>By: mirjam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mirjam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is sad that education is more about &quot;teacher politics&quot; than actually caring for the basic educational needs of the children. My childrens&#039; best teachers through their school years were the ones that really cared about them and their achievements and the kids loved those teachers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sad that education is more about &#8220;teacher politics&#8221; than actually caring for the basic educational needs of the children. My childrens&#8217; best teachers through their school years were the ones that really cared about them and their achievements and the kids loved those teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steeloak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steeloak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has been a concern of mine for a long time - I have named it &quot;Credentialitis&quot; - the idea that credentials are the most important definer of the value of an educator. 
Our school systems are infested with over-credentialed idiots. 
A century ago, young women went to a two year teaching college and learned the skills needed to teach and our children were much better educated then then now. 
Today half our teachers have masters degrees and our children are falling behind the world in learning.  When you get to school administration PhDs&#039; are mandatory in most places.  When you look at school budgets, the biggest single cost is the salaries of these overeducated elites.
Nowhere in all of this is a concern with results or productivity.  Just imagine the lunacy that would result if business adopted credentials over ability and productivity as the standard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been a concern of mine for a long time &#8211; I have named it &#8220;Credentialitis&#8221; &#8211; the idea that credentials are the most important definer of the value of an educator.<br />
Our school systems are infested with over-credentialed idiots.<br />
A century ago, young women went to a two year teaching college and learned the skills needed to teach and our children were much better educated then then now.<br />
Today half our teachers have masters degrees and our children are falling behind the world in learning.  When you get to school administration PhDs&#8217; are mandatory in most places.  When you look at school budgets, the biggest single cost is the salaries of these overeducated elites.<br />
Nowhere in all of this is a concern with results or productivity.  Just imagine the lunacy that would result if business adopted credentials over ability and productivity as the standard.</p>
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