How Much Hatred of Israel Is Too Much?


zionism-equals-nazismThe Israelophobic left is a spectrum of hatred that stretches from the commonplace mainstream media basher who pounds out innumerable columns blaming Israel for everything wrong with the Middle East to the Gilad Atzmons and Israel Shamirs who claim that Israel is evil because the Jews are the devil.

Within that spectrum, everyone agrees that Israel is really bad and more responsible for international Muslim terrorism than the Muslim terrorists who are actually carrying it out. But that catechism of Israelophobic progressives is only a surface rationalization for the underlying hatred.

Opposition to Israel has never been rational or objective. It has always been emotional and subjective.

The left’s opposition to Zionism began as a toxic mixture of bigotry and self-hatred; influenced by everything from Karl Marx’s declaration that Jews were the embodiment of capitalism to Lenin’s denunciation of the illegitimacy of Jewish nationhood.

The left’s antipathy to Jews was always entangled with its antipathy to Israel. That is why there is no “New Anti-Semitism”. The virulent hatred of the left for Israel and the Jews is not a new phenomenon. And like all hatred, it has no bottoming out point.

Reasonable opposition has a natural limit. Emotional hatred has none. Opposition to Israel has no end point and few objectives except the ultimate expression of its hatred.

Anti-Semitism encompasses no broader political objectives beyond its hatred of Jews. Likewise the point of hating Israel is to hate Israel. After decades in which Israel has negotiated and conceded territory, the hatred for it has only become more extreme.

The BDS boycott movement is the embodiment of that irrational hatred. It has few demands and no constructive goals. It doesn’t so much support a Palestinian state as it borrows material from the conflict to express its hatred of Israel. Indeed many BDS’ers don’t even support a Palestinian state. They support a One State Solution as long as it destroys Israel.

A movement that runs on hate has no way of stopping it. The debate in Anti-Israel circles is how mainstream can extreme be. How much hatred of Israel is too much?

M.J. Rosenberg, who hates Israel quite a bit, recently wrote that he had to stop reading Electronic Intifada’s Ali Abunimah because “it is clear that he cannot stand Jews… he is careful to scream about Israelis or Zionists and not Jews, but he doesn’t fool me. Or any Jew who doesn’t want to be fooled.”

M.J. Rosenberg had, ironically enough, been fired by Media Matters for hating Israel too much.

Eric Alterman of The Nation, who had declared that “Israel is no democracy” and predicted a coming conflict between “Israeli Theocracy” and liberal American Jews, decided that Max Blumenthal’s hatred of Israel had gone too far.

Reviewing Max Blumenthal’s book, Goliath, Alterman dubbed it the “I Hate Israel Handbook” and wrote that it could have been published by the “Hamas Book-of-the-Month Club”.

M.J. Rosenberg however is a big fan of Goliath. Meanwhile Ali Abunimah has been accusing Rosenberg of being a Zionist. Ali Abunimah had decided that Gilad Atzmon hated Israel too much. However Gilad Atzmon claims that Abunimah urged him to use “Zionist” instead of “Jews” when spewing his hate.

Expecting Israelophobes to agree on a hard limit to their hatred is expecting too much.

Alterman isn’t wrong about Blumenthal. Goliath is a hateful screed that doesn’t even pretend to be anything else. And maybe that’s why he decided to draw the line there.

What distinguishes Blumenthal and the BDS crowd, Gilad Atzmon and Israel Shamir is that they don’t play the liberal game of feigned constructiveness. Blumenthal isn’t pretending that he wants to make Israel over into a proper liberal democracy. Instead he told an audience that he favored not only the destruction of Israel, but also the destruction of the Jews in Israel as a separate people.

Even veteran haters of the Jewish State at the event were taken aback. But they shouldn’t have been.

Max Blumenthal’s call follows the natural radical logic of the left. Blumenthal is uncompromisingly committed to hating Israel. In the radical purity test, he hates Israel more than Eric Alterman, perhaps even more than his supporters; M.J. Rosenberg and Glenn Greenwald. It only remains to be seen whether he can hate Israel and Jews more uncompromisingly than Gilad Atzmon and Ali Abunimah.

In a movement fueled by hate, Max Blumenthal has briefly become King of the Haters because his hate is unapologetic. Blumenthal doesn’t hide behind farcical concerns about democracy or justice. Instead Blumenthal reflects his audience’s hatred back at them.

He gives them what they really want.

That’s why the mainstream left finds Max Blumenthal disturbing. He’s a demagogue without any saving graces. His naked rhetoric exposes what their entire movement is really about. It’s the same naked hatred that can be seen on the faces of the BDS crowds screaming about Max Brenner chocolates in Australia or smashing Ahava cosmetics store windows in the United Kingdom.

Those same faces were seen in Germany before the war. Behind them was that same irrational hatred whose roots were not in the politics of reason, but in the unreason of hate.

In 1963, a few years before it backed a Muslim war of extermination against Israel, the USSR published Judaism Without Embellishment. The book was indistinguishable from Nazi literature, blending attacks on Israel with attacks on Judaism and the Jewish people.

“Taking advantage of the legends of the Old Testament, the Jewish capitalists and their ideological parasites—the Zionists—together with the rabbis in Israel, kindle religious-nationalistic passions, and incite the Jews against other peoples who inhabit Palestine.”

A year later, the USSR realized that it had gone too far by revealing that its hostility to Israel was rooted in a hatred for Jews. And so the book was withdrawn. And yet today that passage would not only seem mild compared to Blumenthal’s rhetoric in Goliath, but, slightly reworded it could easily be dropped into a New York Times or Time Magazine article about Israel.

One of the most memorable moments in George Orwell’s 1984 is the Two-Minutes Hate in which the audience of the left-wing tyranny is whipped into a deranged frenzy at the image of a bespectacled Jewish figure on a movie screen.

Another British writer, Howard Jacobson, added an equally powerful, but more ambiguous scene, in his novel The Finkler Question as Sam Finkler, a leftist intellectual who proudly participates in Anti-Israel activities, experiences a recurring dream in which he finds himself punching his father in the stomach.

It is only when Finkler has another dream in which a mob begins beating his father that he recognizes that his Israelophobia is no longer a personal Oedipean tic, but collaborates in mass hatred. Every Jewish Anti-Israel leftist has a similar experience of encountering a hatred that forced him to recognize that he was no longer just punching his own father in the stomach; he had become part of a hateful mob.

Max Blumenthal’s Goliath is one of many reminders that hatred for Israel has no logical endpoint. Blumenthal is the true face of the Anti-Israel left in the same way that Judaism Without Embellishment was the true face of the Soviet Union.

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  • Mike Wilson

    Opposition to Israel is nothing more than direct opposition to God. Israel stands for the God of the Bible, even though many Jews don’t individually. What anti-Israelists hate is God and they vent their hatred on Israel. Christians and USA are also targeted by Israel-haters because they too reperesent the God of the Bible. Basically God-haters oppose the revelation of the anointing (which is God making Himself known to us) and are thus the embodiment of the spirit of anti-anointing or anti-Christ.

    • BagLady

      Your argument is just as ridiculous as the one made by a recent Malaysian edict. No-one but Malaysian Muslims may refer to Allah by the name Allah. He belongs to Muslims only. This name has always been used by Malaysian Christians when they refer to God, so they are in a bit of a quandary. I see you are on a similar wave-length, believing as you do that YOUR God is somehow different, superior but really rather narrow-minded and ineffectual. His love does not stretch equally among earth’s population and he has his favourites. He even excludes some of his kids altogether. Mere mortals decide what He does and does not desire and even the matter of life and death is decided on his behalf. What sacrilege.

      • StanleyT

        You call Mike Wilson’s argument “ridiculous” and yet you completely fail to make your point. Mike does not appropriate G0d solely for his own use, as the Malaysians do. He does not exclude anyone, except those who exclude themselves. I suspect that your post is nothing more than a Pavolovian response to the word “G0d”. You don’t believe in anything but your own intellect (which is not as great as you appear to believe it to be), and you can’t stand anyone else believing in anything. You are pitiful.

      • Rob Hobart

        Irrelevant drivel.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “Your argument is just as ridiculous as the one made by a recent Malaysian edict. No-one but Malaysian Muslims may refer to Allah by the name Allah.”

        And how is that?

  • Judahlevi

    Leftists naturally move toward the collective grouping of any group, Jews included. History is replete with wars and horrific acts perpetuated by one group hating another group. These are the benefits of collective thinking. Leftists are wrong in this case just as they are wrong in most all other aspects of their worldview (economics for instance).

    Jews are individuals as much as any other human being on the planet. Jews are every skin color, every nationality, blond hair, blue eyes, and any other exterior identification you want to make. Anyone may become a Jew by simply converting to Judaism.

    It is ridiculous to believe that Jews are a homogenous group who all think the same way, act the same way, and have a wicked plan for world domination. Collective grouping of any people is immoral. Only by treating Jews as individuals, as well as everyone else, can one get past the group hatred which so many people wish to engage in.

    It is time to dump multiculturalism (collective thinking) and promote Individualism as the basis of all human relations.

    • defcon 4

      WRT your last sentence, maybe we should all start hugging rainbows and riding unicorns from the safety of our yellow submarine.

      • The March Hare

        I always thought conservatism was individualism and against multiculturalism and saw the rainbows and unicorn crowd as the multiculturalist, leftist viewpoint for the most part.

        • defcon 4

          Is it realistic to suppose that all collective thinking is bad, or that it can be dumped?

          • Judahlevi

            It is not realistic to think that people will stop using collective thinking, but that is not the goal.

            The left holds up multiculturalism as the ideal. This is not right, and is in fact more harmful than helpful. Individualism is the ideal and it is the human relational philosophy which should be taught as the ideal, not multiculturalism.

            As usual, the leftists have it wrong.

          • The March Hare

            Depends on what you are collecting for. Insurance is a collective way to spread the cost of illness, but not at the expense of those that contribute while being free to those who don’t. Collectivist government historically leads to totalitarianism since someone at the top has to decide who wins and who looses making it destined to lead to corruption through favoritism and suppression. It makes them ripe for bribes. Multiculturalism is basically tribalism and causes groups to lobby for special favors and considerations and unreasonable accommodations like ballots in 150 languages. If you don’t understand the language and the culture, then you can’t make a sensible determination for whom or what to cast your ballot that would be best for the country. The rainbows and unicorn crowd is the “can’t we all get along and sing Kumbyaha” group. Well, if you want to get along with us then join us and our culture, learn the language, get a job and contribute to the society. Equality has to mean equal responsibility to do your part and be able to expect others to do the same.

          • defcon 4

            “Society” wouldn’t that be an instance of “collective thinking”?

          • The March Hare

            From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

            1: a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution; also : a system marked by such control

            2: emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity

          • objectivefactsmatter

            That’s collectivism.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “”Society” wouldn’t that be an instance of “collective thinking”?”

            Yes, literally.

          • Habbgun

            Society is the very antithesis of collective thinking. Society is where there is a social contract to allow individuals to live as they see fit. Even with the coercive aspect of it (necessary because some individuals are scum) it is still not a collective. A just society respects the individual and his property. He is not sacrificed for the “idea”. I live comfortably with people I do not like or agree with. That is society. Collective thinking is the forcing of everyone to the same viewpoint and makes them a cog in the grand thought design. Even something like a military organization can be freer than a collective. You are free to be yourself but must conform when under discipline when in service. I have met some extreme individualists who were vets. You won’t find individualists among collectivists. You’ll find people doing their own thing identically to those others doing their own thing.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Society is the very antithesis of collective thinking. Society is where there is a social contract to allow individuals to live as they see fit.”

            In a Utopian liberal society, sure.

            Do you use a watch or a calendar? If you coordinate your plans in any way, that’s collective thinking. It may be trivial and kind of taken for granted but collective thinking happens all the time without coercion, or significant coercion. Stop at red lights and go on green? Collective thinking. One could even argue that traffic lights are collectivist. We just generally agree that it’s good so we don’t use language that seems to attack it.

            It’s very important to be able to draw these distinctions if you want to know how Orwellian propaganda works.

          • Habbgun

            Thank you for taking the time to reply but I disagree. I understand language could be collective thinking, and DNA could be considered collectivist biology etc. but it is essentially not. What we accept because of our historical place in the world is not collectivist. We can only understand what is useful if we have an educated idea of the good and that must be on the individual level. Orwellian propaganda only works if that historical and ethical knowledge is suppressed. An ignorant repressed society can operate under lies such as “we were always at war with such and such”. This is where I have dropped out from supporting a lot of libertarians. They believe all government and law enforcement is at bottom repression and not the noticeable outcome of generations of good competent men. Ironically their idea of how government operates is more in line with a communists and fascists.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            The whole point of this conversation is to distinguish between collective and collectivist. Communists and propagandists want you to conflate collective thinking with collectivism and most of the time that is what they’re talking about. But collective thinking is not de facto collectivist thinking or collectivism.

            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collective

            And we don’t bother saying “collective biology” or collective ____ because it’s often implied. That’s really what I’m trying to show.

            Full Definition of COLLECTIVE

            1: denoting a number of persons or things considered as one group or whole

            2a : formed by collecting : aggregatedb of a fruit : multiple

            3a : of, relating to, or being a group of individualsb : involving all members of a group as distinct from its individuals

            4: marked by similarity among or with the members of a group

            5: collectivized or characterized by collectivism

            6: shared or assumed by all members of the group

            — col·lec·tive·ly adverb

            Contrast with collectivism

            col·lec·tiv·ism noun kə-ˈlek-ti-ˌvi-zəm

            : a political or economic system in which the government owns businesses, land, etc.

            Full Definition of COLLECTIVISM

            1: a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution; also : a system marked by such control

            2: emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity

            — col·lec·tiv·ist adjective or noun

            — col·lec·tiv·is·tic adjective

            — col·lec·tiv·is·ti·cal·ly adverb

            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collectivist

          • Habbgun

            Got it but it was really unclear when you said society is an example of collective thinking. It implies it can be a push, pull type of thing (which is how the collectivists operate) rather than hard fought and hard won consensus.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Depends on what you are collecting for. Insurance is a collective way to spread the cost of illness, but not at the expense of those that contribute while being free to those who don’t.”

            WRT insurance, collective action turns in to collectivism when you add coercion (of the individual). When individuals can’t opt out, that’s collectivism because it’s intended that certain individuals must contribute for the “greater good.”

            Obviously there’s enough coercion involved in ZERO’Care for us to put the great stamp of collectivism on it. It’s a socialist program with practical compromises in order to deceive enough of the voters.

            That’s “democratic socialism” for you. It always involves deception.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “The rainbows and unicorn crowd is the “can’t we all get along and sing Kumbyaha” group. Well, if you want to get along with us then join us and our culture, learn the language, get a job and contribute to the society.”

            But the problem comes from underlying worldview and what they mean by “can’t we all get along?” Because part of what they mean is can’t you recognize that your “wealth” (job) identifies you as a thief? Don’t you accept “the truth” that Marx revealed?

          • BagLady

            Very few expats lose their own culture in favour of the adopted country’s, nor do they fully integrate into that society. Language is often a barrier as are beliefs. However, provided there is mutual respect, I see no problem whatsoever with multiculturalism. Integration is only possible through the children of settlers who grow up within the local society.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Is it realistic to suppose that all collective thinking is bad, or that it can be dumped?”

            It’s a question of terminology. Judah should become familiar with the distinction between “collective” and “collectivism.”

            Essentially we refer to it as “collectivism” when it diminishes individualism. Collective thinking is forming fire departments. Collectivism is deciding that someone other than the firemen decide who gets to sacrifice his life to save someone.

            Collective thinking is forming business teams. Collectivism is appointing elites to decide who gets what employment benefits according to something other than individual performance. Unions that promote pay scales and perks that preempt individual performance are collectivists promoting collectivism.

            And it only gets worse from there. Racism is collectivism. Bigotry also, etc.

            The only “legitimate collectivism” is that which we agree is essential for the nation, as in self defense and limited taxes for programs that are deemed constitutionally essential. After that, you’re seeing creeping socialism and Marxism.

      • elixelx

        Don’t Gliberals already hug rainbows, ride unicorns, live in yellow submarines?
        Why do you want us sensible people to join you in your ill-considered craziness?
        Oh! oh! I know!
        Because you think that crazy is good, reason is bad..tee hee!

        • defcon 4

          If you disagree w/my “ill-considered craziness” why aren’t you living in an islamic state?

          • elixelx

            Once more you want me to do something insane to suit your crazy agenda?
            Why don’t you live in Islamic State to confirm your status as a madman?
            Oh! Iknow! because you think that gut feeling, emotion, kishkes are more important than brains, logic and reason.
            Worse still you act on your ill-conceived FEELINGS(just as the Muslims do!).
            Stop already! Be deliberate in judgement (PIrke Aboth, Chapter 2 Verse !)
            Think, boy, think!

          • defcon 4

            I’d be dead in a hot minute in any islamic state, because that’s what they do to people who criticise their death cult.
            I’m under no illusions about the nature of islam0nazism, are you?

    • BagLady

      I would agree with you except that individualism gets more difficult when the population reaches such numbers that ‘herding’ becomes necessary to guard against anarchy.

      • Drakken

        Spoken like a true communist.

  • truebearing

    I’ve always wondered why there is so much intense hatred of Jews. If Jews had a history of stealing from everyone, or being violent, or any of the other reasons people form intense prejudices, I would understand it better. Instead, Jews make up a disproportionate number of professionals in all categories, many of which do service to the general population and improve the quality of life. Yes, many are wealthy, but except for Marxists, that has hardly been a reason to hate an entire group…..unless envy and resentment are what is really behind the hate. Of course, the Marxists have based their entire religion on building envy, resentment, and hate, so it’s only natural that they would hate those who are successful and accomplished…they have to, or their sick cult couldn’t acquire power.

    Marxists thrive on envy and hate because these negative emotions breed division, which is the engine for their political capitalism. The more they divide the population, the greater the returns in power. Sick? yes, but obviously effective. It also shows were the fault line runs in the hatred of Jews.

    Hatred of Jews was ginned up by various Christian groups, supposedly because “the Jews killed Jesus,” which is inaccurate to begin with because Jesus and his Disciples were also jewish, and they didn’t help kill themselves, so, needless to say, all Jews didn’t kill Jesus. Since Jesus and his Disciples were Jewish….how can you blame Jews for his death and encourage the hatred of Jews when Jesus was Jewish? Very, very, stupidly.

    Then why did some Christians hate Jews? Could it be “The Chosen People” envy/jealousy? Hmmmm, there’s that theme again.

    Finally, for those who aren’t satisfied with a simpler, psychological explanation, there is the age old struggle between good and evil, God being good, the Devil being evil. The unlikely resilience and success of the Jewish people, over thousands of years and incredible persecution, does suggest there may be something to the God’s-chosen-people thing. Maybe the Devil inspires a special hate for Jews because nothing would make him happier than destroying people God loves….. I guess we know who inspired Marx.

    For the record, I am not Jewish.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “Then why did some Christians hate Jews? Could it be “The Chosen People” envy/jealousy? Hmmmm, there’s that theme again.”

      A better question is why do some Jew haters pretend to be Christian? Probably family tradition.

      • truebearing

        Yes, it is kind of hard to be a hater and still be a Christian. Kind of like fitting a camel through the eye of a needle, only harder.

    • defcon 4

      The evil always hates the good, because it serves to remind them of their banal evil.

      • BagLady

        The underlying message here being that you believe Jews are the goodies and the Christians the baddies, no?

        • iluvisrael

          No hag – it’s Jew hating goons like you that single out the one Jewish nation for demonization that are evil. You’ve been outed.

          • Freddy

            Here is a Jewish lover of mankind, exposing the essence of Talmudic Judaism: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4232004,00.html

          • BagLady

            I have no enemies and hate no-one. I would not waste my emotions on such childishness and your extreme rudeness says a lot about you and nothing at all about me. Obviously your mother failed miserably in raising you to be a gentleman.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Currently the Muslims, Eurabia and the Socialists are the baddies.

          See 9/11/01.

        • Randy CA

          Interesting that BagLady seems to think seeing jewish culture as a good necessitates seeing Christianity as bad.

          I find it troubling that someone with enough intelligence to find and read the writings of Daniel Greenfield can be so disorganized in her thinking.

          • MukeNecca

            Is “finding and reading the writings”, (whether of Daniel Greenfield, or others) a sign of intelligence? I am not very sure. What I am sure of, however, is that being “so disorganized in …thinking” as BugLady is quite reliable sign of idiocy.

          • BagLady

            I think I have strayed into a secondary boys’ school magazine here where name calling is considered clever. Shall I call you PukeNecca, since you are clearly into such infantile behaviour? … Like so many others on here who cannot bear to have their biased views challenged.

          • defcon 4

            “biased” against what or whom Fatima?

          • BagLady

            Bias: predisposition, partiality, prejudice.
            Example: “biased” against what or whom Fatima?

          • MukeNecca

            “Shall I call you PukeNecca?”

            I’d prefer NukeMecca, or if you insist PukeOnMecca” but’s entirely up to you.

            And I don’t mind and actually welcome my views challenged. I learned quite a deal from these challenges. But you, dear lady, would have to do a considerably better challenging job before it does impression on me.

            Otherwise, I promise not to call you BugLady in the future. I apologize.

          • BagLady

            defcon 4

            truebearing

            3 days ago

            The evil always hates the good, because it serves to remind them of their banal evil.
            Those were not my words but this chap here. Do not foist other people’s warped logic onto me please.

          • BagLady

            Does one need to be intelligent to read Daniel Greenfield’s garbage? “… he is careful to scream about Israelis or Zionists and not Jews, but he doesn’t fool me….” It serves DG’s agenda to read what is not there. The ‘opposition’ is against Netanyahu’s Zionist ambitions that have nothing whatsoever to do with religion and everything to do with genocide.

        • john spielman

          no,God has a plan that no one (including all of the house of Islam) can thwart, where by through the Jewish people HIS plan of salvation came in Jesus Christ. The fulfillment of old testament prophesy required a dedicated people (the Jews) through whom the world would learn about HIS righteousness and justice and mercy through the sacrificial system revealed in the old testament but ultimately fulfilled in the life death and resurrection of Jesus. His plan also includes a final restoration of the Jews to their homeland as HE promised to Israel, that will be opposed by the world.(feel free to read it your self in the old testament and in the new testament esp the last book of Revelation) In the end, GOD’S will is done and all who oppose HIM will be destroyed not by man but by GOD.

          • BagLady

            To know the mind of GOD. How ‘chosen’ are you!

          • defcon 4

            MuhamMAD did Fatima and i don’t notice you ever criticising him.

          • BagLady

            When the subject comes up, perhaps I shall, so long as the conversation is constructive and not another round of trivial remarks inundated with personal insults.

        • defcon 4

          Um, I don’t believe Yeshua and the apostles who actually knew him, ever renounced Judaism, and never embraced islam.

        • Rob Hobart

          Nope. Utter straw man.

        • truebearing

          No one said all Jews are good. Need new glasses?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “The underlying message here being that you believe Jews are the goodies and the Christians the baddies, no?”

          Christians that attack Jews for no reason are not Christian. They are anti-Christian. Read about it in the Bible.

          • BagLady

            So, they are not Christians then. Why not say Savages attacked the Jews? Barbarians? Terrorists would be the most ‘modern’. There seems to be this terrible need now to have everything labeled and filed under some given name. We can’t even have flu without knowing its scientific number. There was nothing wrong with “he’s lost it” as a description of a man who’s lost it but, no, we have to call him bi-polar or some other acceptable epithet. He himself seems much happier with this description and may even boast on-line (if he’s famous). This site is crawling with those who pigeon hole everyone else within a few moments of reading a couple of sentences: Christians over there, Nazis in this box and you Greenies, by that tree. WE (those who agree with you) will speak as one. How difficult is it to accept individuality? I suppose it requires thinking ‘outside the box’.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “So, they are not Christians then. Why not say Savages attacked the Jews? Barbarians? Terrorists would be the most ‘modern’.”

            You’re covering about 2000 years of history, so it would help to be more specific if you want more nuanced analysis.

            “There seems to be this terrible need now to have everything labeled and filed under some given name.”

            I guess. From here it looks like projection of your own values on to others.

            “We can’t even have flu without knowing its scientific number.”

            You’re arguing that when people strive to understand the facts that this is bad? Where are you going with that?

            “There was nothing wrong with “he’s lost it” as a description of a man who’s lost it but, no, we have to call him bi-polar or some other acceptable epithet.”

            “Lost it” is not very descriptive. Bipolar is more specific but often misused.

            “This site is crawling with those who pigeon hole everyone else within a few moments of reading a couple of sentences: Christians over there, Nazis in this box and you Greenies, by that tree.”

            I think you are confused. Maybe you should have read a bit longer what people were saying and then start asking clarifying questions rather than launching in to attacks. As often as not people here are talking to each other as “regulars” that understand the jargon perhaps better than a new arrival.

            “WE (those who agree with you) will speak as one. How difficult is it to accept individuality? I suppose it requires thinking ‘outside the box’.”

            There is actually quite a bit of individuality and “out of the box” thinking here, but you have to be patient. You can’t expect that in the comments section every time you read because we’re actually here first to each comment on the same article. Which to you sounds like “in the box” thinking because, gee, we’re commenting on an article that was published on the Internet.

            You’re too impatient and judgmental for your own good. I hope my labeling didn’t send your blood pressure up or anything like that.

            And we don’t so much speak as one as understand each other on many (but not all or even most) of the issues. That’s what happens when people stick around, have conversations, and then draw conclusions based on facts.

            More to the topic, most “Jews” that are attacked are not attacked for being “bad.” There are “bad ones” in every population but most people don’t give a damn unless they can make some kind of point. WRT making a point about “the Jews” it usually has its roots in some fallacy about Israel, about Jews and propagators of a fraudulent book, creators and manipulators of “the banks” and all of this other nonsense.

            The only essential difference between Jews and Christians that you can talk about with confidence is who they identify as Messiah. And even many Jews do identify Jesus as Messiah (like Christians). Therefore when someone from the West attacks “the Jews” for their supposedly evil or distinct values it’s usually BS. We’re talking about ancient cultures with huge diversity. And people come up with some really stupid and invalid generalizations. And these are not exactly “out of the box” thinkers either. They just spew the same old recycled BS.

          • BagLady

            Therefore when someone from the West attacks “the Jews” for their supposedly evil or distinct values it’s usually BS.

            Of course it is but this is true of attacks against anyone for their personal beliefs. One of our few remaining freedoms. Stereotyping is an human frailty it seems. Watch the press as the Roma invade Britain in 2 months time.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            If you want to make a rational case against say, circumcision you’re free to do it. What’s important is being factual and objective rather than scapegoating, which means accusing innocent people of the sins of others.

            “Stereotyping is an human frailty it seems.”

            Stereotyping has its place but people do often go overboard.

          • BagLady

            I have no case to put forward against circumcision as it’s outside my scope. However, I do see a mounting hostility in the media from men who feel a little marginalised (maybe) by the attention given to female genital mutilation, and reckon their sex lives have been ruined by a decision made on their behalf before they were able to speak for themselves.

      • Freddy
    • StanleyT

      Hitler explained anti-Semitism perfectly, when he said that he was determined to rid the world of “this conscience”. He understood that “chosenness” does not mean the Jews are G0d’s favourites, but that they have been chosen to spread G0d’s message. People don’t like being told not to do something they want to do, and by their very existence and miraculous survival-against-all-odds, Jews remind the world that G0d does exist and that G0d does expect certain standards of behaviour.

      • truebearing

        I agree that “chosen” doesn’t mean there is some kind of favoritism inherent, but I suspect there are plenty of people who do.

        God chose prophets, too, which was hardly popular with the prophets. They squirmed to free themselves from the tasks assigned, fearful of the burden and consequences of speaking God’s truth to the unwilling ear of the people. Being chosen is a heavy responsibility, and if understood properly, not a weight most people would choose, or could carry.

        One thing I am convinced of is that the insensate hatred of Jews has an origin that goes way back and comes from the source of evil in this world.

        • ziggy zoggy

          Anti-Semitism started because Jews were seen as different from the people they lived with. Like a lot of bigotries, it was passed down through generations and a lot of people don’t even know why they’re bigoted. Once a bigotry exists, people will always come up with excuses to justify it.

      • glennd1

        There are about 14 million Jews in the world vs. 1 billion+ Muslims and 2 billion Christians. In other words, Judaism is a tiny little bit player in terms of religion. It represents about .2 pct of the human population and isn’t growing. And this is how an all powerful God sees fit to spread his “message”? I mean, you have no idea how arrogant and provincial you and the rest on this thread sound.

        • ziggy zoggy

          And second guessing God isn’t arrogant?

        • StanleyT

          All I can say to you is “EXACTLY”!!! Where the flipping heck do you think Christians and Muslims got their ideas from, you self-important twit?

          Well done though. With this post, you have demonstrated the impossible – that your intelligence level is even lower than I had thought from our previous interactions.

          • glennd1

            Giggling at your brutishness and superficiality. Christianity actually rejects many tenets of Judaism – or haven’t you read the Talmud and the old testament? Sure, it claims to be the fulfillment of the old testament but from then on, it’s dependency on Judaism is nonexistent, yes?

            Or are you claiming that Christians agree that Jews are “the chosen people”? Hmmm, I must have missed that in my 30 yrs of Catholicism, including 10 years of formal religious education. But hey, thanks for sorting me out, lol.

            Zionism is a religious supremacist idea based on debunked race myths and false history. You do realize, for example, that historians have conclusively shown that the “Exodus” never happened, that it is a fiction, yes? Probably not, but hey, I read books and not just those written by Zionists.

          • StanleyT

            You’re deliberately being infuriating. The whole idea of monotheism comes from Judaism. Are you now denying that Christianity is a monotheistic religion, despite the “Holy Trinity” stuff that never made much sense to me? Are you denying, as most Christians seem to accept, that Christ was a Jew?

            Clearly, your “formal religious education” did exactly what it intended to do – it turned you into a close-minded bigot. You hate Jews because we have never accepted your “truths” as our truths.

            As for your understanding of Zionism, once again you display your utter and complete ignorance. Zionism is the Jewish aspiration to return to the Jewish homeland. While it has a religious component to it, it is not a religious idea.

            And what “historians” have “conclusively shown” that the Exodus never happened? Many have tried to shed doubt on it, but a lack of proof that it happened does not prove that it didn’t happen. In fact, if you can explain how the Exodus and the revelation on Mount Sinai became part of collective Jewish memory – and I mean a convincing explanation now – I would be very interested in hearing it. Because the logic behind every “rational” explanation is simply not logical and I can point you to some excellent Rabbinical sources.

            You read books? Gee, I’m so impressed. Interesting how you had to tell me that. Clearly you are doubting yourself. That’s good. It’s the first step to healing your perverted and horribly sick mind.

          • defcon 4

            I’ve read that Zoroastrianism (a monotheistic faith) may be as old as Judaism.

          • ziggy zoggy

            StanleyT,

            Glenn is not really Catholic.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Clearly, your “formal religious education” did exactly what it intended to do – it turned you into a closed-minded bigot. You hate Jews because we have never accepted your “truths” as our truths.”

            From the time of Constantine, Christianity has often been used to build political power, and to do that it must be taught dogmatically and against what the actual texts say.

          • defcon 4

            Zionism’s religious supremacy created the only democracy in the islam0fascist wasteland that is the Mid-East and N. Africa today. It’s the only place where Christians, Jews, Druze and Baha’i aren’t being persecuted and/or murdered and/or raped by muslimes w/impunity. Your criticism of Israel is a poor joke because it ignores the much worse islam0fascist barbarities being committed by the states which surround Israel. You’re the type who complains about Orthodox Jews spitting on Christians while muslimes busily slaughter/rape/persecute them in the rest of the Mid-East and N. Africa.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Glenndumb,

            I guess after “30 years of Catholicism, including 10 years of formal religious education,” you’re the only Catholic on Earth who doesn’t consider the Jews as the chosen people.

            I guess you were too busy choosing Altar Boys.

          • defcon 4

            Or, just as likely, islamic dancing boys.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Or are you claiming that Christians agree that Jews are “the chosen people”? Hmmm, I must have missed that in my 30 yrs of Catholicism, including 10 years of formal religious education. But hey, thanks for sorting me out, lol.”

            Dummy, the Jews as chosen comes straight from the Bible, even the Catholic version. The RCC is not big on teaching directly from the Bible. They’ve only had a few centuries practice.

            Jesus was a Jew. You’re going to say he was not chosen for a special mission? Are you insane? Furthermore, the Jews living today as Jews are direct witnesses to the Bible as a historical document rather than some myth.

            Again, we’re continuing to unravel the reasons for your hatred.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “And this is how an all powerful God sees fit to spread his “message”? I mean, you have no idea how arrogant and provincial you and the rest on this thread sound.”

          Actually your statement is quite stupid. How many witnesses are required for any given question?

          There are enough Jews to spread the message without coercion. You got the message too, but rejected it. So God got his way, even with you. If he wanted to coerce you, we can assume that would not be a problem if he exists as the texts claim.

          So you need to be more serious about finding out if he exists. “All powerful” is not necessarily “absolutely coercive.” So it seems you misunderstand quite a bit.

          Not only this but Christianity is based on texts written by Hebrews. And you must know that Islam is a corruption of those same texts along with various traditions picked up along the way from Roman and Arab paganism So modern rabbinical Judaism itself may not be a big player, but the Jews as a people have had more influence on the world than any other.

          You do realize who wrote the Bible and how much influence it’s had, don’t you? Is that what makes you so angry?

    • Gee

      Irrational hatred is just that irrational. It does not need to analyzed, nor explained.

      Just as homophobia does not need to be analyzed. Nobody is suggesting that Gays change or question why they are hated. No indeed either the hatred is there or if the people are enlightened they tell the hater to get over themselves. It is never directed at the Gays.

      Nor should be worry about what causes anti-Semitism. We are not the problem – those that hate us have the problem

      • truebearing

        The truth is always worth digging for.

      • Drakken

        Hatem back and carry a bigger stick, otherwise face destruction.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “Irrational hatred is just that irrational. It does not need to analyzed, nor explained.”

        But it (the blatantly irrational hatred) needs to be culled from the cover stories so that people can see it for what it is. They usually have rational cover stories that sell somewhat successfully even when we might recognize right away that they are mere justifications

        It’s helpful to unspin the ball of yarn for some people when they need help seeing the true colors.

    • Gary Dickson

      Dr. Michael L. Brown, a Messianic Jew and one of the premier apologists for Messianic Judaism, has a superb video on the real source of hatred for the Jew:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlUa2XWC57U

      For the record, I fully agree with him.

      He’s written an article on it as well:
      http://www.voiceofrevolution.com/2009/02/11/why-have-jewish-people-been-so-hated-and-persecuted-through-the-centuries/

      In my view, the reason that Satan (Hebrew for Adversary) hates the Jew so much is that God has created the Jew to be his primary means by which He brings His blessing and His righteousness to the rest of the world. Yeshua (Jesus) is Jewish. All the apostles were Jewish. All the writers of the Bible were Jewish (including Luke, who I believe was even a Pharisee).

      Satan wants to be like God. As a result, he is working very, very hard to tempt Gentiles into disabling and even destroying the messenger, i.e., the Jew. He thinks that if he can do that, then God’s Kingdom will fail and his will succeed.

      But, in the end, Satan and his kingdom will fail and God and His Kingdom will succeed.

    • Gary Dickson

      Dr. Michael L. Brown, a
      Messianic Jew and one of the premier apologists for Messianic Judaism,
      has a superb video on the real source of hatred for the Jew:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

      For the record, I fully agree with him.

      He’s written an article on it as well:
      http://www.voiceofrevolution.c

      In my view, the reason that Satan (Hebrew for Adversary) hates
      the Jew so much is that God has created the Jew to be his primary means
      by which He brings His blessing and His righteousness to the rest of
      the world. Yeshua (Jesus) is Jewish. All the apostles were Jewish. All
      the writers of the Bible were Jewish (including Luke, who I believe was
      even a Pharisee).

      Satan wants to be like God. As a result, he is working very, very
      hard to tempt Gentiles into disabling and even destroying the messenger,
      i.e., the Jew. He thinks that if he can do that, then God’s Kingdom
      will fail and his will succeed.

      But, in the end, Satan and his kingdom will fail and God and His Kingdom will succeed.

    • Freddy

      You are not Jewish? You have been on every site peddling Jewish and Israeli propaganda! Your lying does not fool anyone with even half a brain.
      There is a reason why the Mossad’s motto is: ” By way of deception shall we wage war”.
      Creeps like you are the main reason simple people dislike the Jews, every day experience, whereas the more educated kind also knows about their sordid activities throughout the millennia.

      • Drakken

        Well go join the muslim arabs then, I am sure they will accept you with open arms, hahahah.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Hey “Brainiac”, ever hear of the CIA, MI5, KGB?

        Unfortunately for you the Isarelis are NOT the unarmed Jews of WW2 or Khybar.

      • ziggy zoggy

        So Jews are deceptive and have always been sordid? More so than other people?

        You are a simple minded bigot.

        • defcon 4

          It’s allah’s will.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “You are not Jewish? You have been on every site peddling Jewish and Israeli propaganda! Your lying does not fool anyone with even half a brain.”

        Defending truth, justice and the American way is seen as Jewish deception propaganda to communists.

    • Tray-Jay Martin

      “For the record, I am not Jewish.”
      Nobody’s perfect.

    • BagLady

      If this hatred of Jews is so prevalent, how come I’ve never come across it? Think there’s a fair bit of exaggeration going on here. Sure, you can find small gangs of yobs ready to hate any group that is not their own, but these are in a very small minority, thank goodness, and in any event, they tend to target skin colour rather than religion. However, before any of the foul mouth yobs on here jump in with flat feet, I am ready to learn. Just provide a few citations and I will willingly read up on the subject. PS: graffiti on gravestones etc doesn’t count.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Pal-e-SWINIANISM = NAZIISM

    1941 The Grand Mufti meets Hitler
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSUEx1cKUlg

    Google Images “arab n a z i salute”

    Also Socialist SHlTler and Socialist Stalin “non-aggression pact” of 1939
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

  • BagLady

    Blah blah blah. What self-pitying garbage full of fiction like this gem: “After decades in which Israel has negotiated and conceded territory….” Although I note “conceded” rather than ‘ceded’.

    • iluvisrael

      go live in that cesspool of gaza – you can use your bag as a burqa.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Happy Eternal Nakba!

      • defcon 4

        And may there be many more!

    • StanleyT

      Considering that ALL of Israel, including Judea and Samaria, and ALL of Jerusalem, were granted to the Jews under international law by the League of Nations (in the same way that body granted all of Syria, Lebanon and Iraq to the Arabs), conceded is most definitely the correct word.

      Once again, your ignorance tells us that although you may have chosen your moniker ironically, you prove that “many a true word is said in jest”.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      It’s done both.

  • emptorpreempted

    A very entertaining article, but I will take exception to one notion in it: I don’t think that Marx should be made into a scapegoat for the antisemitism of the left. His contempt for the Jews was hardly in excess of what was the norm of his time and country; it was nothing compared with the hostility of, for example, Wagner, or Proudhon, or Bakunin. The current antisemitism of the left is much better explained by the prejudices of, not Marx, but Stalin and his successors.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      True, but the difference is that Marx was part of a line of intellectual influence, more so than most.

    • Judahlevi

      “prejudices whose origins have nothing to do with communism”

      This is not true. Communism is a leftwing ideology which reinforces the concept of group identity and guilt. Prejudice against any collective group, including Jews, is supported by such an ideology.

      People are not groups, they are individuals. Individuals own private property. Individuals use self interest to motivate themselves. They do not subsume their interests into a larger state collective. Communism is a political ideology which denies the value and worth of individualism. It will naturally be at war with Jews and Judaism or any other belief system which conflicts with the state values of communism.

      Marx wanted his political ideology to replace religious beliefs, including Judaism, since they were completely incompatible. His opium for theirs.

      • Freddy

        I totally agree with you. We should ban the myriad well organized and financed Jewish organizations, from AIPAC to the ADL, including the Jewish synagogues. A Jew shall from now on exist only as an individual. All groupings of Jews as Jews should be banned. The ones that violate this ban should be imprisoned first, then deported to I$rael.
        This was by the way the motto of a French member of the Convention during the French Revolution, whose name I do not recall , at the moment: ” all rights to the Jew as a man, zero rights to the Jew as a group/nation”.
        An excellent idea to call the dishonest bluff of the Judahlevis of this world.

        • Judahlevi

          You obviously misread what I have written. It is the judging of groups I am concerned with, not the existence of groups.

          Nonetheless, as a Jew, I am no better than any other human being. We are all deserving of equal respect for being human. No one falls below the line and no one is above the line.

          • defcon 4

            What about nazis? You wouldn’t indict all nazis for the actions of a few would you?

          • Judahlevi

            You judge each person individually, not by which group they belong to. It is not a difficult concept.

          • defcon 4

            What about the mafia? What about street gangs?

          • Judahlevi

            Same answer.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            You might judge each individual for their role in an illicit “collective action” but that is not collectivism. They’re still accountable only for their individual behavior.

            A mass trial would only be collectivist if everyone got the same punishment without weighing individual merit, or evidence against A was used against B without making any evidence-based connection.

            That’s why it’s very important to distinguish between collective and collectivism.

            Furthermore, socialists use phrases like “collective action” or “collective need” to hide their socialist concepts. When you’re caught rebutting their ideas by denouncing collective action it makes you look selfish. Cities can argue legitimately for collective needs, like services that most of us agree to fund. Police, fire departments and so forth. Socialists try to conflate those needs with the “needs” of the lazy leeches or some theoretical class of “victims” that are not judged as individuals either.

            Deception is something they’ve mastered very well. We need to unravel all of these lies to make better progress.

          • Drakken

            So what exactly would you call that group of folks that want all of you Jews dead then?

          • Judahlevi

            I realize that the human relational philosophy of Individualism is idealistic and would only exist in my utopia. Nevertheless, it is the ideal of human relations just as world peace is an ideal. It is extremely unlikely that either of these ideals will ever be achieved in human history.

            As for anyone who would want to kill Jews just because they are Jews, I would call them my enemy. As it says in the Talmud, “If someone comes to kill you, get up early and kill them first.”

          • objectivefactsmatter

            The US constitution is not Utopian. It strikes a fairly effective balance between individualism and the need for collective action in cases of national defense and so forth.

          • Drakken

            War my Jewish friend is part of the human condition and has been since the dawn of time, and no matter how much the left tries to make war more civilized, the more they make it far more brutal in the end, those muslims want you dead, then us Christians, I say give them what they want, a all expense paid trip to paradise with our complements.

        • ziggy zoggy

          What special rights do you suppose Jews have? Why are they the only people who can’t form groups based on ethnicity to defend themselves?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          No, we should not confuse collective action with collectivism. Collective action is fine. As long as you obey the constitution.

          • defcon 4

            What if the collective action of your group is to overthrow the Constitution in favor of allah’s will?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Collectivism.

          • defcon 4

            I see now.

        • defcon 4

          This has to be sarcasm, because if it’s not, “Freddy” needs psychological help.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “People are not groups, they are individuals.”

        Groups are people the way that cities are homes. It makes addressing simpler, but without homes nobody can live in the city.

        Likewise, collective thinking that disregards or diminishes individualism is actually dehumanizing, if you believe that individual humans have any value as individuals.

        Collective thinking that disregards or diminishes individualism is called collectivism.

        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collectivism

        http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=collectivism

        Collectivism probably got a big push from the racism that was apparently validated by Darwin. Collectivism is often a stealth form of racism, but there are other kinds. All equally insidious because groups need leaders to decide their collective fate. Individuals have inalienable rights. But hey, when the greater good is at stake, we realize we need our elites to figure out what to do with our dumb selves.

        We Americans are too stupid as individuals to know what’s good for us. We’ll do ridiculous things like choose health insurance that doesn’t cover for the need of surgery in the case of gender dysphoria, or whatever.

        See how stupid most of us are? We need leaders like 0′Bama that are not afraid to deceive us in to massive socialist programs. That’s collectivism. He’ll look after which groups need what. We’re too stupid as individuals. Or you can argue that we don’t actually have any right to defy the leader’s “greater good” programs.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      Basically Jews are blamed for “capitalism.” Jews are the ultimate scapegoat for most people. It harmonizes with all of the historical scapegoating and that alone gives it credibility in the minds of some.

      Marx was not personally worse than many others, that’s true, but he has had quite a bit of influence. A lot more than most. But they all pitched in.

      “The current antisemitism of the left is much better explained by the prejudices of, not Marx, but Stalin and his successors — prejudices whose origins have nothing to do with communism.”

      That’s if you assume that Stalin was not at all influenced by Marx. That’s a bit hard to swallow.

      Many people reacted to Darwin’s theories by feeling that they now had “proof” that the Jews had defrauded civilizations for thousands of years. Critics came out of the closet and this became more than just acceptable but even mainstream, even among “thought leaders” to react to the Bible with disgust. Christians took some heat and continue to take the heat to this day, but the Jews are the authors, witnesses and with Israel, they provide some unwanted authenticity to the hated texts. Plus Jews make for easier targets. They can even get some “Christians” to help with the attacks. Divide and conquer.

      I guess a lot of people expected to drive Judeo Christian thinking out of style and it hasn’t worked out that way. The anger is increasing lately about that.

  • http://fdnyretiree.com/ Ed FDNYRetiree

    How much hatred of Islam and Mooslims is too much?

    • Gislef

      According to CAIR, any.

      • defcon 4

        In any islamic state, any criticism of islam or its holey prophet can be a criminal offense. In some cases, the prescribed punishment is death. A Christian preacher in Pakistain was murdered (with the connivance of the all muslime police force) for merely being accused of blasphemy, a charge he denied.

  • PAthena

    Note that Europe has always been against the state of Israel – because it is a Jewish state. During the Yom Kippur War, the United States, under President Nixon, sent Israel military supplies. The only country in Europe which would allow the U.S. to stopover was Portugal, under Salazar.
    Note also that calling Arabs “Palestinians,” with all phoney propaganda and history is the effect of Soviet propaganda – Gamal Nasser and the Soviet Union invented the :Palestine Liberation Organization” in Cairo in 1964. The “P.L.O.” came to fame when it massacred the Israeli athletes at the Olympic Games in Munich in 1972, and since then, “Palestinian” has meant “Arab” hatters of Jews and Israel. The names “Palestine” and “Palestinian” were synonymous with “land of the Jews” and “Jew” from the time that the Roman Emperor Hadrian changed the name of Judea to “Palestina,” in 135 A.D., after he had defeated the last Jeweish rebellion under Bar Kochba, in order to eradicate all memory of Judea. He outlawed Judaism and renamed Jerusalem “Aelia Capitolina,” “Aelius” being his gens name. After World WAr I, Great Britain was awarded the Palestine Mandate to be “the homeland of the Jews.”

  • http://www.clarespark.com/ Clare Spark

    I’m not sure that some rightists have the tools to understand both anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism. In the case of Israel, Arab elites did not want a modernizing democracy in their midst, for the Arab masses were in terrible shape. And Jewish women were not in their view modest and submissive. Soviets supported Israel as long as they thought Israelis would join their bloc and chase the UK out of the region. That didn’t last, so the Cold War is the relevant context for Soviet anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. As for anti-Semitism in general, see http://clarespark.com/2012/09/29/index-to-blogs-on-antisemitism/. “Index to blogs on anti-Semitism.”

  • $1420579

    Coming to this site is like reading 1984 when it comes to Zionism. Occupation is good, theft of land is good, settlements are good, ethnic cleansing (even if partial) is good. Israel has a “right to exist” – when no nation on earth makes that claim. Jews have a right to live on a land they haven’t been anywhere near a majority in for over 1000 years (population of Jews in Palestine in 1880 before emigration financed by Zionists was 2-3% of population).

    The lies and straw man above are to voluminous to deal with or even take seriously. A couple of the more absurd are:
    1. That Israel is the cause of Muslim terrorism. Nobody says it is the only cause, but the terrorists themselves claim it as a motivation – which is good enough for me.
    2. That Max Blumenthal wants Jews eliminated. No, he does not. But he will not support a government enforced Jewish majority govt or residency in any area of Palestine. He rejects a religious society utterly, anywhere.

    The rest of this drivel is pure hyperbole designed to propagate the lie that the Zionists are victims rather than the aggressors. On this site, this is more like porn than journalism as it’s becoming more and more important to keep the lie going as the “outside” world (outside of Zionism) realizes how disgusting its campaign in Palestine truly is.

    Anti-Zionist and anti-Islamist is the only position a moral person can and should take.

  • Ken Kelso

    Blumenthal is a well known Israel hater who turns a blind eye to the Palestinians racist terrorists aims against Israel.

    This is the same Max Blumenthal who tried to say a Thai worker massacred the Fogel family in Itamar 2 years ago.
    Just google, After Itamar: Exploring the cynical logic that makes everyone a target
    Max Blumenthal, March 15, 2011

    Even after it became known that 2 Palestinians committed the massacre, Blumenthal made excuses for these Arab terrorists.
    The man is a sicko who turns a blind eye to the Palestinians beheading Jewish babies.

    • StanleyT

      glennd loves Blumenthal, because Blumenthal speaks his language: that of the confirmed Jew hater. And yet, as the article says, even other Israel haters find Blumenthal to be too extreme.

  • drthomasedavis

    I am a Christian Constitutional Conservative and Retired Military. I would be delighted if this great republic of ours were being governed by a leader with the skills and bravery of Benjamin Netanyahu. Obama is a damned Marist fool. He is crude, rude and stupid. a bitter triumvirate of bad qualities. Sadly, most Americans are totally unaware that a Jew, Haym Solomon who used his last dollar to supportt the Revolution and ultimately died a pauper.

  • xkn

    Daniel, Jews are facing true believers and true believers always go to the end.
    These could be true believers of Koran or Communist Manifesto it does not matter. When the goal is physical extermination of the Jews, for now in Israel, and after that everywhere else, there cannot be any limits in hatred.

  • mtnhikerdude

    Why is it chic to hate Jews and a hate crime to hate Muslims or Blacks. ?

    • Taboobuster

      Why do so-called “hate” crimes exist? Who invented this un-American and un-English concept?

      Oh Taboo of Taboos, could it be the work of the Anti-Defecation League?
      http://www.adl.org/

    • objectivefactsmatter

      Thank Marx mostly, though Jew hatred has a longer history than that. Remember that all losers are victims of whites. No matter what. For Marxists, Jews are white. Everyone else; victims.

  • Rob Hobart

    Utter hateful nonsense.
    As Paul Johnson once said: “Scratch an anti-Zionist and you’ll find an anti-Semite underneath.” You are a perfect example of this truth.

    • glennd1

      Giggling. Do you know who else was anti-Zionist? The original Jewish residents in Palestine before the mass emigration of the Zionist campaigns, objected strenuously to creating a state of Israel before the coming of the messiah. This is well documented in the history, a history you and the troglodtyes who dwell here are woefully ignorant of. Those Jews who actually had a claim to Palestine were not supportive of the Zionist financed and organized emigration from 1880 onward. So, they were the first “anti-zionists”.

      Another famous anti-Zionist was Albert Einstein. In fact, in his open letter to the New York Times in November of 1948, HE compared Zionism to Nazism. That’s Albert Einstein, a Jew, not 3 years after the holocaust making that claim about Zionism. What, was Albert Einstein an anti-semite? Many Jews have long criticized Zionism – are you going to tell me say that Schlomo Ben Ami is an anti-semite?

      You use the same technique of a left I know you loathe. You just accuse those who disagree with you of bigotry – just like the leftists. I wonder, do you realize how absurd you are? How ignorant and vicious?

      • Daniel Greenfield

        Einstein did not compare Zionism to Nazism. He compared a conservative Zionist group which he opposed to Nazis and Fascists. That was a common piece of rhetoric being used by left-wing Zionists at the time.

        It doesn’t make him Anti-Zionist. It makes you either ignorant or a liar.

        And original residents? Sorry, no.

        You mean a group of 18th century arrivals from Europe who resented the 19th century arrivals, and pretty much everyone else.

        Sephardi Jews in the region certainly did not.

      • Drakken

        Still giggling like a little girl huh Sparky? Can’t wait until Israel takes the gloves off in the next intifada.

      • Taboobuster

        They use the same technique because most if not all of them are “red diaper” babies, or grandbabies.
        Their parents or grandparents were mostly Marxist/leftist/pinko Jews.
        The founder of this website, Horowitz and almost all the neocons are of this type. Their Trotzky(Bronstein) type mentality did not change.
        It is unfair to expect the zebra to lose all his stripes.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Better a neo-con than a neo-commie.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “Do you know who else was anti-Zionist? The original Jewish residents in Palestine before the mass emigration of the Zionist campaigns, objected strenuously to creating a state of Israel before the coming of the messiah. This is well documented in the history, a history you and the troglodtyes who dwell here are woefully ignorant of. Those Jews who actually had a claim to Palestine were not supportive of the Zionist financed and organized emigration from 1880 onward. So, they were the first “anti-zionists”.”

        That makes a lot of sense. People from the previous century are the best ones to consult over how to deal with future problems.

        The timeline always seems to be your enemy. No timeline, no valid real world analysis. Just incoherent accusations that make little sense.

        Very few people, even today, can predict what Islamic imperialists will do in the future, Jews in the middle east are always reacting to Islamic imperialism.

        Even today they (the jihadis) are considered mostly secular nationalists. So there are lots of dupes and lots of failed prognosticators.

        OTOH telling history in logical sequence with rational editing just destroys every narrative you’ve ever tried to peddle here.

  • defcon 4

    “Anti-islamist”. Yeah, right.

  • Lauren

    muslims don’t hate jews because of Israel. They hate Israel because of jews. If Israel was a muslim state, there wouldn’t be a conflict. It would be the typical “sunni vs. shiite” bs, but there would be no fight over land.

  • Daniel Greenfield

    An indigenous population can’t occupy its own country.

    Your entire argument is based on the legitimacy of the original Muslim occupation of Jewish land. And denouncing Jews for “occupying” the land of the occupiers.

    Very 1984 indeed.

    1. Quite a few say that it is

    2. I’m quoting descriptions of Blumenthal’s hatred from people on the left, not the right, who are hardly Zionists themselves.

    Anti-Zionism is Islamism. There is no third option.

    • Manaphy

      Anti-Zionism is not Islamism, it is common sense.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “Common sense” is worldview dependent. It just means you come from a particular subculture or cult if you consider it “common sense.”

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “Anti-Zionism is not Islamism, it is common sense.”

        In theory you can be “anti-Zionist” without any awareness that you’re promoting Islamic imperialism.

        Is that your defense?

        • defcon 4

          You’re not supposed to question the wisdom of your islam0nazi betters. It’s not good form, and downright impolite — especially within the borders of any islam0fascist state.

  • defcon 4

    How myopic can someone be to look at the Mid-East and N. Africa and single Israel out as “the problem state” or as an “apartheid”. The entire Mid-East and N. Africa are dominated by islam0fascist states that disallow freedom of speech (islam cannot be criticised, even in Egypt [http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/egypt-s-worrying-rise-criminal-blasphemy-cases-2013-06-11]) or freedom of religion.

    • Judahlevi

      You are right that an obsession with Israel and the whitewashing of all other countries is by itself an indicator of anti-Semitism – and a fairly accurate one.

  • LanceThruster

    Gilad Atzmons [...] who claim that Israel is evil because the Jews are the devil.

    Mr. Atzmon is a man of great talent and integrity. Every time I see him smeared, I know those doing so cannot attack his ideas on their own merits. There is a broad spectrum of opinion on Israel, and they are gradually losing their grip on control of the narrative.

    It can’t happen soon enough for my money (a large chunk of it going to Israel courtesy of my own government – if they’re going to oppress the indigenous people, can’t they at least do it on their own dime?).

    • Drakken

      If you love and worship those Islamic savages so much? Go join them, for Darwin sure loves a winner and we need some target practice.

      • LanceThruster

        Sorry, Pal…

        I’m atheist. Everybody’s mythology is equally delusional. It just has no bearing on the injustices that have been committed against them.

        The Shoah and the Nakba are both tragedies.

        Should I sew something on my clothes, a symbol of some sort, so you and your buddies will know who to shoot at?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          The Nakba? The failure of five Arab armies to defeat the primitive Israeli army – just 3 years after the end of WW2?

          HAPPY ETERNAL NAKBA!

          May all your pals JIhads turn in to personal Nakbas!

          P.S. Socialist hilter was a vegetarian and ATHEIST too, so you’re in good company.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          LanceLicker, Keep wearing your swastika armband. That’s a good enough target.

          • LanceThruster

            from: http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/Encyclopedia/PerlmanFredy/antisemitism.htm

            The trick of declaring war against the armed resistance and then attacking the resisters’ unarmed kin as well as the sur­rounding population with the most gruesome products of Death-Science — this trick is not new. American Pioneers were pioneers in this too; they made it standard practice to declare war on indigenous warriors and then to murder and burn villages with only women and children in them. This is already modern war, what we know as war against civilian populations; it has also been called, more candidly, mass murder or genocide.

            Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised that the perpetrators of a Pogrom portray themselves as the victims, in the present case as victims of the Holocaust.

            Herman Melville noticed over a century ago, in his analysis of the metaphysics of Indian-hating, that those who made a full-time profession of hunting and murdering indigenous people of this continent always made themselves appear, even in their own eyes, as the victims of manhunts.

            The use the Nazis made of the International Jewish Conspiracy is better known: during all the years of atrocities defying belief, the Nazis considered themselves the victimized.

            It’s as if the experience of being a victim gave exemption from human solidarity, as if it gave special powers, as if it gave a license to kill.

            ~ Fredy Perlman

          • Drakken

            We played cowboys and Indians, and you know how that turned out, now we are coming to the point where we will be playing cowboys and muslims. As for your little whinny point about the total war concept, you call it atrocity, I call it what it is, warfare and there are only victors and vanquished, and no matter how much you goofy lefty useful idiots try to make war more civilized, the worse it always gets, so if you want to be with the enemy, so be it. So when you and your leftist ilk find yourselves lined up against a wall, or waiting in line next to the lamp post and rope, you will know why.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Lance Throater,

            Right. The Israeli pogrom against a phony ethnicity consists of giving them free land, energy, food and money.

            And you misquoted Melville, who wasn’t an expert on Indians, seeing as how he didn’t know any.

          • Drakken

            He is a red commi not a Nazi.

        • Drakken

          You seem under the false impression that those Islamic savages called pali’s are oppressed and have done nothing to deserve their fate, because heaven forbid they were just sitting there and one day those mean Jews came from no where and took all their land. Funny how you commi atheist are just as bad as the most ardent muslim. The time of niceties and pleasantries with either of you effing SOB’s is over. Make sure you wear your red star and I love pali savages pledge pin.

        • ziggy zoggy

          Lance Throater,

          You could wear a T shirt with Rachel Corrie’s photo on it. Or a suicide bomb vest.

          • LanceThruster

            So this is the famed partner for peace Israel is always going on about.

            Why am I not surprised?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            It can’t be a reaction to persistent, violent and subversive Islamic imperialism and it’s Western buddy anti-Semitism. It just can’t be.

          • ziggy zoggy

            Lance Throater,

            What Israelis wear suicide bomb vests or help squatters steal property?

          • LanceThruster

            Zig – You can’t even address me without lowering the level of discourse so kindly get bent.

          • LanceThruster
          • objectivefactsmatter

            And how did the trials go? Did any of these people petition for relief?

          • Drakken

            The only good muslim jihadist, is a dead muslim jihadist.

          • defcon 4

            Are you referring to St. Pancake? Or the islam0fascist paleswine?

          • LanceThruster

            You seem like a walking stereotype, yet sadly, I imagine you’re real and this is truly how vile your character is.

          • defcon 4

            LOL, yah, I’m the problem. Maybe you should try telling the Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Jews, Baha’i and Zoroastrians being murdered, raped, forcibly converted to islam and persecuted by your fellow islam0nazis that I’m the problem.

          • LanceThruster

            fellow islam0nazis

            Instead of being called “Frontpage” they should call this place “Front Storm” because quite often it’s just the flip side of the same coin. So much righteous hatred based on a distorted perception of the other. If you bother to remember your own history, when you paint everyone with the same broad brush, bad things happen.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            You haven’t exactly distinguished yourself as unique. What’s your deal? Why are you so superior? Or is it that you think you’re so unique coming in here to troll people you disagree with?

            Yeah, that’s a unique gift.

          • William James Ward

            He could be uniquely ungifted due to and empty head
            with only piped in knowledge and a world view sans
            experience and circumspection……….William

          • LanceThruster

            Sorry that thoughts from outside your bubble make your brain hurt.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Delusional reading comprehension. How original.

          • LanceThruster

            Operation Megaphone pay well (tell them they need to send in their 1st string)?

            Jus’ sayin’.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            More delusional sniping.

            “You seem like a walking stereotype, yet sadly, I imagine you’re real and this is truly how vile your character is.”

            You’re doing good work here. Keep it up.

          • LanceThruster

            Thank you!

            And I’d like to say what an exceptional job you’re doing here…

            (I’d *like* to say…)

            xD

          • LanceThruster

            You know who else found a way to totally demonize other human beings…?

          • defcon 4

            Muhammad, as expressed in all islam’s holey books of hate.

          • LanceThruster

            Everyone’s mythical ‘revealed knowledge’ has some nasty stuff in it.

            Guess you’re pure enough to cast the first stone. Didn’t they use stoning in some other tribes’ Big Book O’ Fun?

          • defcon 4

            When was the last time anyone Jewish stoned anyone to death for any reason Abdullah? Two millenia? Or more?

          • LanceThruster

            Does white phosphorus count?

          • Drakken

            Nope, Your lucky I am not in charge, for napalm would be the weapon of choice, it works great in urban areas.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Does white phosphorus count?”

            Not in the discussion about anarchy and terror. What are you counting?

          • Drakken

            Well if the shoe fits?

          • Drakken

            Hey shortbus, those effing raghead muslims don’t want peace, never have wanted peace and never will give peace a chance, they want the Jews dead, what effing part of that don’t you quite grasp?

      • LanceThruster

        Opposition to Israel has never been rational or objective.

        “It would be my greatest sadness to see Zionists (Jews) do to Palestinian Arabs much of what Nazis did to Jews.” ― Albert Einstein

        – and –

        “I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. Apart from the practical considerations, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight without a Jewish state. ― Albert Einstein

        • defcon 4

          Did Einstein say that before or after 5 Arab armies invaded Israel w/genocidal intent?

          • Drakken

            He didn’t say it at all, it is a false quote attributed to Einstein who never said it.

        • Drakken

          Side with the muslims, that makes you as much as the enemy as them, the future does not bode well for you and yours if that is the case.

        • ziggy zoggy

          Lance Throater,

          I guess the islamopithecines didn’t take Einstein’s advice about living together in peace with Jews – or anybody else, for that matter.

        • Omar

          Nobody used the term “Palestinian” to refer to any ethnicity at that time. Palestine is a geographic region, not an ethnicity. Around the partition, most Arabs who lived in the Palestine Mandate viewed themselves as Syrians. The region of Palestine started being viewed as a nation-state in 1964, sixteen years after the creation of modern Israel. Fact-check.

          • LanceThruster

            People that lived there got relocated and marginalized by outsiders taking over.

            http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story680.html

          • Omar

            Oh please. It was the Soviet Union that created the invented “Palestinian” nationality in the 1960s in order to delegitimize Israel’s right to exist. You are supporting radical Islamists who treat women like chattel, who lynch homosexuals from cranes for their sexual orientation and who want to criminalize Judaism and other religions (as well as non-religious thinkers). Quit repeating Communist/Islamist propaganda and learn from facts.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            The problem is that you blame the wrong people for Arab dislocation. All of the people there are migrants or ancestors of migrants. All have some indigenous claim. It’s a question of sovereignty that we’re dealing with, and then law and order.

            If all you care about are emotional arguments and raising objections like a racist or communist, carry on. We’re used to it.

          • LanceThruster

            What’s this “we” you speak of? Got a mouse in your pocket?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Did you get the impression that I’m stuck in a room with you somewhere?

          • LanceThruster

            You said you and your mouse were used to emotional arguments.

            I guess that’s why so many in here seem to get over-emotional at addressing reality.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Your reading comprehension is also typical.

            “I guess that’s why so many in here seem to get over-emotional at addressing reality.”

            People do get angry about hearing the same lies over and over. Rectifying those lies gets tedious.

          • LanceThruster

            I don’t see much factual counter-argument. I see a lot of spewing of hatred and then rationalizing it because of the supposed hatefulness of your proclaimed adversaries.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            It’s easy for anyone to see only what he’s looking for.

            If you want to engage in serious conversations you’ve got to be seen as serious or at least receptive.

            Throwing around Einstein quotes without sufficient context is not really taken too seriously here by me or my mouse. You’ve said nothing new, and nothing to identify you as someone who is serious about constructive or factually illuminating dialog.

          • ziggy zoggy

            PantsCruster,

            Thanks for showing that there can never be enough hatred of Israel. And Jews. And reason. And douche.

          • defcon 4

            “supposed”. Maybe you should tell that to:
            1. the dwindling population of najjis kaffir in Pakistain
            2. the dwindling population of najjis kaffir in Bangladesh
            3. the dwindling population of najjis kaffir in all the islamic states of the Mid-East and N. Africa

          • LanceThruster

            I guess my goyishe kopf just isn’t up to the task.

          • defcon 4

            Maybe a rousing cheer of: “Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud, Jaish Muhammad saya’ud” will make you feel better.

          • Drakken

            You and reality in the same sentence is an oxymoron, so please tell what color the shy is in your little world?

          • ziggy zoggy

            “We”refers to rational people rather than stupid anti-Semites who want to help islamopithecines wipe out an entire country.

          • defcon 4

            LOL, the mendacious hypocrisy of the muslime. Islam has been allah about ethnic cleansing, genocide and slavery, ever since muhamMAD did so to the Jews of Khybar, right up to, and including the present.

          • defcon 4

            Syria is an Arab state. There’s no ethnicity called Syrian.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      LanceLicker,

      The Jews were in Israel BEFORE the crazy pedophile muhammed cam on the scene.

      Your “paleswinians” are mix of Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians and Iraqs.

      Who was in North America first? Europeans or Native Americans?

      What about Australia and New Zealand?

      Is Spanish the indigenous language of Central and South America – or was Spanish a product of European imperialism?

      While you ponder those questions, finish the Lance you are working on.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Atzmon has been denounced even by the most of the rabid Anti-Israel crowd.

      I mean rabid haters like Electronic Intifada and Max Blumenthal denounced him. Whatever broad spectrum of opinion there is, Atzmon is about at the edge of it.

      Might be stuff like this. “I’m not going to say whether it is right or not to burn down a synagogue, I can see that it is a rational act.”.

      • LanceThruster

        from: http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/1001-lies-about-gilad-atzmon.html

        Atzmon the Endorser of the Burning of Synagogues
        I was accused of suggesting at the London School of Oriental and African Studies that burning synagogues is a rational act.

        Atzmon’s comment: If there was any truth in such an accusation, I would be sitting behind bars for inciting a racial crime. Needless to say, I wasn’t even approached by the Metropolitan Police. Anyhow, the following is my comment to the Observer about the event:

        ‘By no means did I justify any form of violence
        against Jews, Jewish interests or any innocent people. In the
        School of Oriental and African Studies we were debating the
        question of rationality of anti-semitism. I claimed that since
        Israel presents itself as the ‘state of the Jewish people’,
        and bearing in mind the atrocities committed by the Jewish state
        against the Palestinians, any form of anti-Jewish activity may be
        seen as political retaliation. This does not make it right’.

        (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,,1468961,00.html).

        • Geoffrey_Britain

          “bearing in mind the atrocities committed by the Jewish state against the Palestinians” Gilad Atzmon

          In WWII, the bombing of Dresden could arguably be labeled an atrocity. To assign EQUIVALENCE however between the Allies and the Nazis would quite rightly destroy ones credibility. Atzmon and your focus upon the very few Israeli atrocities and the innumerable Palestinian atrocities establishes your lack of credibility. Intentionally or not, you support genocide.

          • LanceThruster

            International laws allows for force against armed invaders. Israel’s existence was predicated on adhering to the partition agreement the UN spelled out. Israel cannot even designate its borders so who is on their home turf anyway?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            You have to follow the timeline to answer questions of history.

    • ziggy zoggy

      Since when are islamopithecines indigenous to Israel and how are they oppressed by Jews?

      Don’t bother to answer. I’ve heard all the stupid anti-Israel lies before, and you hatemongers never come up with any new ones.

    • BradD99

      Translation: LanceThruster likes neo-nazis.

      • LanceThruster

        If that was the case, I’d say so. It’s not so I don’t.

  • ricpic

    For the Jewish State to exist is unacceptable. Why? Because it’s not perfect.

    Such is the “thinking” of Jew haters, be they Jews or gentiles.

    Only Jews don’t have the right to exist. Unless they’re perfect. Anything less is a shanda, unforgivable, the punishment for which is death.

    That is why Israel can’t afford to entertain the illusion of accommodation. There can be no accommodation, no deal with those who want you dead.

    • defcon 4

      I remember there used to be a group, Muslims Against Antisemitism. It sound great on its face, but when I dug into their mission statement I noticed that they divided the Judaism into Jews and “false” Jews. The “false” Jews were deserving of allah’s punishment and were Jews who supported the state of Israel and homosexuality.

  • Geoffrey_Britain

    The SOURCE of ALL hatred against the Jews and Israel is Satan.

  • ziggy zoggy

    And what fictional country did Israel conquer and replace? What fictional group of people did it ethnically cleanse? Why should Israel be given to islamopithecines because once upon a time they overran the area and comprised a majority?

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Within that spectrum, everyone agrees that Israel is really bad and more responsible for international Muslim terrorism than the Muslim terrorists who are actually carrying it out.

    And then we also have those alleged to be on the right, who perpetuate a very false narrative of Islam by misconstruing what is holy war, i.e., jihad, as somehow being international Muslim terrorism perpetuated at the hands of Muslim extremists, i.e., Islamists and radicals. Instead, of what it really is, perpetual violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad (holy war) waged against all infidels in the world to ultimately make Islam supreme. Can’t leave that out!

  • Mikail2

    To its credit, this site exposes the fraud that Obama is. On the other hand, you refuse to acknowledge the dangers that the Jewish lobby poses to the world. Why is that?

    • defcon 4

      LOL, how does the “Jewish lobby” pose a threat to the world Adolph?

      • Mikail2

        LOL! Thanks for basically proving my point. In your world, anyone who criticizes jewishness, the Jewish lobby and Israel=Hitler. How logical of you.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Bad news pal. Your side LOST WW2 and the Israelis are NOT the unarmed Jews of WW2..
          If your bunker has Internet access you can watch the UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER of your Turd Reich to the US, UK and SU.

          Germany Surrenders in Berlin, 1945 – http://www.pastfinder.de
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-O8_L7ExrE

          And what’s the deal with your moronic name? Did you learn how to spell by being Home Schooled in a Roach Motel?

          • TripleDs

            You are an honest Jew, showing your true face. You are right about the German defeat. It was the final defeat of Western civilization by the Jew. The only consolation that is left for us is to see how your own “Chosen” will drown in the end by the poison they created for the Goyim.
            It already started in Malmo and some other places.
            Israel will disappear, but it will go down in a nuclear holocaust. What the nations of the world will do with the scattered remnants of the self-Chosen bloodthirsty fanatics is anybody’s guess.
            Bad news: you will never control China, Japan and Korea..

          • defcon 4

            Nazism? Or islam0fascism? The stench is practically the same, but there seems to be a lot more of it emanating from islamic states and NGO’s these days.

          • TripleDs

            Nazism and ZioNazism(Zionism) are twin brothers, moron.

            In fact there was an alliance and collaboration between the two before the war.
            And another fact: these twins of Nazism and ZioNazism are and were 100 times superior to a primitive code of conduct from the Middle Ages called Islam.

            Islam and Judaism are both Semitic relics of a barbarous age in a barbarous part of the world.

            Now, moron, go take your medications.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Was this “collaboration” anything like the one between the Nazis and the Jihadis?

            How’d that work exactly?

        • emptorpreempted

          Do you actually think that his response proves your point that the “Jewish lobby” poses “dangers” for the world? It’s one thing to hold that disturbing opinion in the first place; quite another to imagine it confirmed whenever a Jew takes offense.

        • defcon 4

          I’m sorry if I offended your delicate islamic feelings Usman.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          You didn’t answer the question.

      • Manaphy

        As usual, your in-depth analysis and acute intellectual skills in debate never cease to amaze me.

        • defcon 4

          Of course “the dangers that the Jewish lobby poses to the world” are self evident to islam0nazis such as yourself Aladdin, it’s just not as clear-cut to the rest of us not subject to the delusional Jew hatred found in the holey books of islam.

  • Judahlevi

    I agree that collectivism and even individualism can have different meanings for different people. The way I am using the term “collectivism” is as an antithesis for individualism.

    In regards to Individualism, it is the name of a human relational philosophy. When I googled “human relational philosophy” the first time, there were no hits. No one else ever used those words together – it was a unique combination therefore I don’t expect Merriam Webster to have the definition I am using.

    You can read more at this link:
    http://centerforindividualism.wordpress.com

    • objectivefactsmatter

      That’s fine but when you wrote some of your comments you wrote “collective” rather than collectivism or collectivist. Regardless of how broad, narrow or whatever anyone defines these words, collective is definitely more broad than collectivism or collectivist. The added “ist” and “ism” imply actors and ideologies and most people contrast that with individualist and individualism. Collective thinking can simply be a mode without denying the importance of the individual. If you add the ism a lot more people will understand what your talking about without fully articulating the definition each time.

      If you say that you want to eradicate collective thinking, that seems delusional. If you want to eradicate collectivism as a political ideology, that’s a little narrower in scope and people will probably know more what you’re talking about since it’s closely associated with communism and socialism.

      Usually people that use phrases like “collective thinking” or “collective action” in political rhetoric are trying to build a case for socialism of some kind without being obvious. But if you want to defend against such rotten ideologies it’s better to let your audience understand more clearly what you’re saying.

      At least that’s my advice. I could be wrong.

    • defcon 4

      You’re an individual…just like everybody else.

  • Wesley Woods

    Zionism and Nazism are at the root is racism. the Nazis taught the the Aryan race was the master race meanwhile Zionism teaches that the Jewish race is the master race for thus making God a racist. both are wrong and satanic for satan wants us to view each other by race. Christ died for all mankind, both Jew and Gentile. God’s people are those who as Christ told the Samaritan woman “who worship him in spirit and truth”. as a Christian i am an anti-zionist for my Lord and savior was not a racist. Christian zionism especially is a revival of the nazi antisemitism. for they desire for all the jews to return to israel so 2/3rds could be destroyed even greater than those killed in the holocaust of nazi Germany.

  • Omar

    What’s the difference. The only chief difference between the two (Nazis and Communists) is the issue of nationalism vs. internationalism.

  • defcon 4

    Wasn’t Yeshua Jewish? I don’t seem to remember any Jewish intellectuals (e.g. Hillel, Josephus or Maimonides) ever equating Jews w/the master race. I’d like to see proof of your Judaic master race theory. Please note I don’t consider the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or islamic scripture to be proof.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    “Zionism and Nazism are at the root is racism. the Nazis taught the the Aryan race was the master race meanwhile Zionism teaches that the Jewish race is the master race for thus making God a racist.”

    You are quite deranged sir.

    Show how “Zionism teaches taht the Jewish race is the master race…”

  • objectivefactsmatter

    You’re a victim of Big Brother propaganda. That’s why you have that feeling when reality slaps you in the face.

  • http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/ Nixys

    The European left’s long-lasting anti-semitism, which it is now freely and openly indulging in more than before, and its pathetic idea to cement an alliance with anti-semitic Muslim countries based on this mutual hatred (Hitler also tried to do this, fyi) will eventually cause Europe immense pain. I cannot say they will not deserve it, either.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      It almost seems like they do invite the jihadis in order to attack Judeo Christianity. This desire to attack authentic Judeo Christianity is a big reason for Jew-hatred, aka anti-Semitism.

      • http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/ Nixys

        Yes, there are many reasons why Europe is more anti-Semitic than America.

        First, Europe’s hatred of capitalism. America loves capitalism (or at least, we used to before Obama and his clown posse) therefore, we have no problem with Jews making money and contributing to society.

        Second, Europe simply has less Jews. Most Americans have enough experience growing up around at least one or two to know that they are just ordinary people, not some secret cabal.

        Third, Europe is not Christian anymore. America is largely still Christian, and therefore appreciates the Jewish ethnicity for its historic connection with Christianity. When that goes, all that is left in atheistic places is racism and hatred of different cultures.

        Fourth, Europe is just more xenophobic in general and has less experience with minorities of any kind than America does. Jews are the main minority (well, not anymore, but at one point) therefore they get all the blame.

        Fifth, Europeans are just hugely hypocritical assh*les and shriek about “imperialism” way more than they have any right to.

        Sixth, Europe is more dependent on Middle Eastern oil.

        I could go on, but it’s just maddening to think about.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          We as Americans have a lot of history in common, but Europeans have a hard time looking forward pragmatically and constructively. They end up being more constrained by the past than helped by any valuable lessons. They end up taking too much pride in past achievements when they live among monuments from past ages. They’re led to both take pride in it as well as to be ashamed of how they achieved it. Marx’s ideas seem to be very seductive to people in those societies.

          This leaves them vulnerable to all of the new age delusions. They have a hard time working things out in terms of future plans, so the elites can probably do better. They hope.

          There are exceptions. And they usually do fine if they come to America with a mind to integrate and succeed. We’re culturally very similar, other than all of the impediments keeping them from seeing possibilities the way that Americans often do (though not often enough these days).

          • http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/ Nixys

            You’re exactly right. Honestly, the only European I respect at all anymore are the British (sometimes they are not labeled “Europeans” with the continentals) and the Swiss. The rest have become far too whiny and the whole E.U. faux grandiosity surely isn’t helping.

        • carpe diem 36

          soon europe will have so many moslems and they will have to deal with them and then they will forget about the ‘bad’ jews. they will get what they deserve.

          • http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/ Nixys

            Yep.

    • glennd1

      Oh, so Europe is anti-semitic? Really? What evidence do you have to claim that about an entire comment? Answer: None. But like a good Zionist you know cranking up the hysterical anti-semitic threat narrative is necessary for Jews to justify their ethnic cleansing and program of oppression and death in Palestine.

      • http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/ Nixys

        Uh, did you mean “continent” rather than “comment”?

        Look it up for yourself if you don’t believe me. It is very well known, and has been for years, that Europeans tend to be more anti-semitic than Americans. Note that not ALL of them are, but speaking in broad numbers and societal trends, this is true.

        But you’re an anti-semitie yourself, so whatever. Have you ever been to Israel? Do you know any Israelis? You know any Palestinians? Of course not, you’re just an annoying brainwashed little drone for the leftist media, shrieking incoherently about “imperialism and oppression.” After all the Jews are dead or moved back to Europe, you really truly believe in your heart that peace will descend upon the Muslim and Christian worlds for eternity, because you are a deluded moron.

        • glennd1

          I don’t need to “look it up” – you are making the claim, not me. Show me data. Show me its’ getting worse. Europe is made up of 17 countries – lumping them all together is not helpful. And what most who peddle this agit prop really object to is that every European country has gone on record opposing the hideous campaign of ethnic cleansing and occupation by the Zionists, so I don’t trust folks here to honestly separate the two out.

          Me? I’m anti-Zionist, anti-Islamist and a bit of Jew lover if you want to know the truth. I have many Jewish friends and even my first girlfriend was Jewish, as is my current closest friend in the world. So I just laugh when you call me anti-semitic, it only reveals your pathetic viciousness, not my views.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        Nobody that knows anything about it actually denies that Europe has a huge problem with anti-Semitism. The problem is that they deal with it using political correctness rather than dealing with the underlying fallacies. This generally leads to it merely being expressed in politically correct forms after bubbling under the surface longer than usual.

        I’m not sure I’ve ever met or heard of anyone that admitted they were anti-Semitic. They all have excuses and justifications. It’s fine to criticize a religion or culture as long as you do it rationally. It’s the irrational hatred and the propagation of deception and outright lies that gets ethically sound people angry at the anti-Semites.

        • glennd1

          So, are you doing paid Hasbara or is lying and smearing others just a hobby for you? Do you consider being such a lowlife, poltically motivated thug your patriotic duty? Put another way, is there any criticism of Zionism that you won’t attack like a feral dog?

          Let me just try and deal with the facts here. Europe is at least 17 countries. To say “Europe is becoming more anti-semitic” you are making a claim about all the countries in Europe – you do understand that, yes? I’d like to hear what countries are and what data is being used to press this case?

          Also, liars/thugs/cretins like you call any anti-Zionist views anti-semitic, rendering the term meaningless when you speak it. People like you are the “boy who cried wolf”.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “…is there any criticism of Zionism that you won’t attack like a feral dog?”

            Objective criticism is always welcome. In any subject.

            “Let me just try and deal with the facts here. Europe is at least 17 countries. To say “Europe is becoming more anti-semitic” you are making a claim about all the countries in Europe – you do understand that, yes? I’d like to hear what countries are and what data is being used to press this case?”

            google: rise in antisemitism in europe

            “Also, liars/thugs/cretins like you call any anti-Zionist views anti-semitic, rendering the term meaningless when you speak it. People like you are the “boy who cried wolf”.”

            Huh. It’s like you didn’t understand anything from our first 57 conversations. That’s a shame.

          • objectivefactsmatter
  • jfl184

    The people of the God of Abraham will always be hated by the people of Satan.

  • BradD99

    I will list the people who are rabid enemies of Jews and Israel’s very existence. The following people are NOT “merely against the occupation.” They are not “peace activists.” They aren’t honest critics of Israel. They are deranged, obsessed, one-sided, rabid enemies of Israel’s very existence, specifically because it’s a Jewish state, instead of an Arab state:

    Mortal enemies of Jews/Israel:

    1) Electronic Intifada (which Google News now includes as a news source, and gets constantly recommended by Glenn Greenwald who has a worldwide audience). Want Israel destroyed/erased. Reject the idea of discussing peace with Israel.

    2) Ali Abunimah (runs Electronic Intifada, has 30,000+ Twitter followers, gets quoted by TONS of “progressive” websites. Wants Israel destroyed/erased. Reject the idea of discussing peace with Israels. Attacks other Israel-haters who demonize Israel 24/7 yet suggest that peace with Israel can someday occur.

    3) Ben White (scumbag in the UK, constantly gets invited to speak at universities, either by pro-Palestinian groups, or by extreme-left professors. Literally will not write a positive word about Israel, or a negative word about the people who try to blow Israel up). Basically the same as Ali Abunimah above, except he’s a white British guy.

    4) Mondoweiss – also now gets listed on Google News as a mainstream news outlet (includes a few writers who claim to be Jewish, but there is nothing “Jewish” about them. They demonize the Palestinian Authority for not hating Israel enough. Like all of the above (and below), they propose a “one-state solution” that erases Israel. Daily anti-Israel hate, never anything neutral, always silent about Israel’s insane neighbors.

    5) Max Blumenthal (same as Ben White, though American. A close “ally” of the Electronic Intifada lunatics. Thinks the very existence of a Jewish state, at all, is by definition evil/racist, and twists every single thing about Israel into as negative and exaggerated a direction as possible. Demented extremist.

    6) Code Pink (a “peace” group that seems to spend half their time demonizing Israel. Naturally, like all of the above/below, they are silent about antisemitism across the Middle East

    7) Richard Silverstein, aka “Tikun Olam.” Allegedly of Jewish background, claims to “not hate Israel,” yet literally 99% of his tweets are attacks against Israel. He is also a Hamas defender. He claims to “not love” Hamas, yet has demonized tons of people for “smearing” Hamas. If you insult Hamas terrorism, Silverstein will call you an Islamophobe and a racist and either attack you personally or block you, or both. He has attacked tons of the most rabid pro-Palestinian “activists” on Twitter who attack Israel daily and are 100% pro-Palestinian yet dislike Hamas and say so. Silverstein seems even more mentally ill than some others here. Occassional major news outlets have quoted Silverstein’s demented information as a legit source once in a while.

    8) The entire BDS movement. Hard to go into the extent of it here, but there are tons of BDS groups around the world, mostly made up of Arabs/Muslims who want Israel destroyed, various extreme-left lunatics and some “anarchists,” and a tiny handful of people who claim to be Jewish yet parade around arm-in-arm with pro-jihad lunatics. I have not looked into the full extent of the BDS groups or which ones matter, but there are a ton of them, and they are starting to infect college student unions. The future leaders of America, some of them now support bigotry and discrimination against Israeli Jews. A famous activist in it is Anna Baltzer. Tons of others but haven’t saved their names.

    9) 972 magazine – Not quite as hateful as mondoweiss or electronic intifada, but only one step up. Israel-based website that promotes daily hate against Israel. A large number of the writers are against Israel’s existence. And some want Israel to exist but demonize it obsessively while refusing to ever put Israel’s need for self defense into context. A few honest writers, a few dishonest extremist lunatics who promote BDS bigotry against the very country they live in. Some are “just against the occupation,” some are against Israel altogether, and none seem to ever write a single word against antisemitism or against war/terrorism against Israel. A rabid anti-Israel here is a “Jewish” girl in Israel named Mairav Zonszein. Another is Lisa Goldman, currently the editor of Open Zion on The Daily Beast. Goldman promotes a “one-state solution” that would erase Israel. She tweets about walks in the park, about baking cookies, she tweets cooking recipes with Electronic Intifada members, she tweets happy fun everyday stuff, and then when the topic of politics comes up, she is a 100% rabid anti-Israel lunatics.

    10) MJ Rosenberg – gets published each week by the Huffington Post, and today even appeared on the front page of the entire website. Rosenberg claims (1) to be against antisemitism and (2) claims to want Israel to exist based on ’67 borders, yet literally 99% of his tweets (A) promote mondoweiss (even though he openly admits their comment section is an antisemitic cesspool, (B) Promote Blumenthal, even though he recognizes that Blumenthal wants Israel destroyed, (c) Attacks AIPAC, Netanyahu, “the Israel lobby,” the “Jewish right,” and literally anybody he deems pro-Israel in any way. Those are his only enemies. If you defend anything about Israel, Rosenberg will curse you out and demonize you.

    11) Alternet – a “progressive” site that is mostly NOT about Israel, but their “world editor” is Alex Kane, a “destroy Israel” lunatic is an assistant editor for mondoweiss. So because of him (and some others), any article that mentions Israel on Alternet will be hateful and negative

    12) truth-out – another “progressive” site that is mostly NOT about Israel, but as with many progressive sites, almost anybody writing about Israel on this site is a “one-state solution” nutjob who wants Israel erased from existence.

    13) Glenn Greenwald — mostly writes about NSA/Snowden stuff these days, but every Israel reference he’s made in literally 5+ years is as negative and hateful as possible, and literally everyone he recommends as worth reading, when it comes to Middle East stuff, is involved with mondoweiss, electronic intifada, blumenthal, etc.

    14) Dave Zirin — sports editor of The Nation. Follows a ton of the above on twitter. Has written a handful of articles about Israel, and they are all as 100% hateful as possible. Uses most of the above lunatics as sources of info on Israel. Wrote about the Gaza/Israel war ,and literally failed to mention the word “rockets” even once in his editorial. Every few weeks, Zirin retweets one of the above “activists.” Seems to love to plug electronic intifada lunatic Nora Barrows-Friedman.

    15) Jeremy Scahill and Dirtywars – I haven’t seen Scahill speak/write much about Israel, but (1) Dirtywars the movie was produced by Scott Roth, a demented lunatic who claims to be Jewish and is the publisher of Mondoweiss. Scott Roth thinks there is nothing antisemitic about lunatics who devote their lives to demonizing Israel and calling for its destruction. He’s totally silent about antisemitism, war/hate againts Israel, etc. And (2) Jeremy Scahill sticks up for blumenthal and the other extremist lunatics on this list. They all love each other.

    16) Josh Ruebner – some lunatic who claims to be of Jewish origin who goes around speaking at colleges and organizing activists into erasing Israel from existence. Claims to be fighting “the occupation” but is clearly 100% against Israel’s existence as a Jewish state, like the other insane antisemites.

    17) Two professors in Sydney, Australia named Jake Lynch and Stuart Rees. Lynch claims to have a Jewish background. They obsessively promote BDS against Israel.

    18) Professor Corey Robin at Brooklyn College in NYC. Keeps helping get some of the deranged lunatics above sponsored to speak to students. Also claims to have a Jewish background. Has tweeted that he hates “every single thing that Israel stands for.” That’s literally almost a direct quote. He’s another who isn’t merely against “the occupation” but against every single aspect of the Jewish state’s existence.

    19) Citizen Radio in NY, hosted by Allison Kilkenny and Jamie Kilstein, a guy who admits to having an alcohol problem — but when he isn’t drunk, he rants hate about Israel. I don’t think Citizen radio is important, but these scumbags do have lots of twitter followers. The “progressive” world digs them.

    20) David Sheen — moved to Israel and spends every minute of his life demonizing Israel and taking any racist incident, whether real or imagined, and exaggerating it as much as possible, to obsessively demonize the complete existence of the country. Big pals with Blumenthal.

    21) Joseph Dana — a journalist who won’t write a single positive word about Israel

    22) Clayton Swisher — a deranged anti-Israel lunatic who contributes to The Guardian a lot

    23) Leehee Rothchild and Tali Shapiro – insane activists in Israel who spend all day and night tweeting pro-BDS lunacy to musicians and artists around the world.

    24) Mira Bar-Hillel — Property and Planning correspondent of London standard.co.uk . Retweets every anti-Israel lunatic imaginable, almost daily. Plugs many of the above, constantly.

    25) Robin D. G. Kelley, a professor at UCLA. Has a wide range of interests, but heavy on the Israel-hating lunacy, and supports many of the above.

    26) Daniel Sieradski aka “selfagency” on Twitter. Not as extreme as some of the above, yet basically in bed with most of them, and shows constant “solidarity” with deranged anti-Israel lunatics. I think he’s a web designer.

    27) Sherry Wolf – LGBT activist and anti-Israel hate activist. Promotes Israel’s destruction (via one-state solutions, BDS, etc)

    28) Stanley Cohen, aka StanleyCohenLaw — a lawyer who loves most of the above and rants the most extreme anti-Israel hate imaginable, obsessively, daily.

    29) Uri Horesh – a professor or assistant professor who apparently was recently hired by Northwestern University. Anti-Israel EXTREMIST on the level of Electronic Intifada. Rejects idea of “normalization” or “even speaking to zionists” in any way. Apparently Northwestern feels this guy should teach students.

    30) Nima Shirazi aka WideAsleepNima on Twitter. Gets constantly promoted by Glenn Greenwald, Dave Zirin and the others. As anti-Israel as anyone.

    There’s more, but that’s a lot of the main ones that matter.

    None of the above are merely “against the occupation.” None are honest critics of Israel. None of the above condemn antisemitism regularly, or defend Israel’s right to protect itself or to even exist. They are constant, daily, mortal enemies of the very existence of the only Jewish state on the planet. Muslim-majority states can be Muslim, Arab-majority states can be Arab, yet according to almost everybody above, the Jewish-majority state is “racist” and “evil” for being a Jewish state, and it must be erased or destroyed in some way.

    I wrote all of this. Feel free to send it to anyone you know who cares about Israel. If you know any organizations that would care, share this privately with them. If you know anyone at any of the outlets that publish some of these antisemitic lunatics, get in touch and complain to them. Do whatever you can.

    Honest criticism of Israel is fine, and encouraged. None of these people do that. They are the modern-day nazis — and they almost all love to throw the words “peace” and “justice” around.